The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Teh_Showtime]

Remember when zeke was supposed to make a difference on SD after ECW died?

What happened?

Also Kozlov :( went over taker clean around WM last year, now he is irrelevant

[Jaysin]

No, but the only thing they did was having Cryme Tyme steal D&D's car and roll it with divas backstage after D&D beat them. Was a nice touch and it made Cryme Tyme relevant again.

That's a shame. I think the two gimmicks would have worked well in a feud.

[Jaysin]

Remember when zeke was supposed to make a difference on SD after ECW died?

What happened?

Also Kozlov :( went over taker clean around WM last year, now he is irrelevant

Didn't Zeke get hurt?

[The Shape]

Didn't Zeke get hurt?

Yeah I remember reading that. According to wiki he's out till Octoberish. He's on raw now as well officially.

Hope he does well, found him a lot more interesting than most big men mainly based on the whole thing they put over about how intelligent he was etc. Fairly sure in one of Kendrick's promos he was sat there reading the art of war lol.

[Teh_Showtime]

Ezikiel Wood?

[Jaysin]

Yeah I remember reading that. According to wiki he's out till Octoberish. He's on raw now as well officially.

Hope he does well, found him a lot more interesting than most big men mainly based on the whole thing they put over about how intelligent he was etc. Fairly sure in one of Kendrick's promos he was sat there reading the art of war lol.


I thought it was the Cat in the Hat that he was reading? Not even a joke. I swear that's what I remember reading that it was.

[MrCanada]

Yeah I remember reading that. According to wiki he's out till Octoberish. He's on raw now as well officially.

Hope he does well, found him a lot more interesting than most big men mainly based on the whole thing they put over about how intelligent he was etc. Fairly sure in one of Kendrick's promos he was sat there reading the art of war lol.

He was reading Cat in the Hat. Kendrick's promo was about War and Piece or something and he asked Zeke to quote something, which he did, but he was still reading Cat in the Hat..... Which is reason enough for me to want him to be world champion.

[Jaysin]

He was reading Cat in the Hat. Kendrick's promo was about War and Piece or something and he asked Zeke to quote something, which he did, but he was still reading Cat in the Hat..... Which is reason enough for me to want him to be world champion.

He quoted the bible, but to me, he quoted Samuel L Jackson from Pulp Fiction. :p

[The Shape]

I thought it was the Cat in the Hat that he was reading? Not even a joke. I swear that's what I remember reading that it was.

LOL. Dunno where I got art of war from. Maybe that was in another promo, fairly sure I saw kendrick mention it. But that is awesome.

[Jaysin]

Here's the promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH1aqmWuOiY)

Kendrick is reading Art of War, Zeke is reading Cat in the Hat. This isn't the one with Zeke doing the Bible verse though. I can't find that.

[The Shape]

Awesome. I can't see how to tell what the book is though xD

[cbhcbh]

The Nexus.......

Why I Don't Fear Them

Before the Tie-&-Spit Incident, I had the order of Nexus's dangerousness as such: #1, Bryan Danielson; #2, Stu / Wade Barret; #3, Justin Gabriel guy; and in a tie at #4, everybody else.

From what I'd seen in the ring and the way each character was presented, that was who I thought of when I considered, as a fan, "wow, who'd mess up a WWE star real bad?"

Since Danielson's departure, my rankings haven't changed. Barrett puts 'em down, Gabriel puts 'em out. Everyone else is really lucky to be earning a paycheck from Vince. I still have hope for Otunga, but he really needs his own spotlight, not the Gang Brutality Revue.

Hey, Black Cena could go to TNA, team up with Jay Lethal, and they could do the "gimmick revival" thing for a while, a la Black Machismo. Then, Jay Lethal could turn on Young, with the upshot being I'd never have to see Young bore my TV again. Put Primo over the red-head kid, for all I care. And someone tell the meat-head to stop being a Stone Cold clone. Not cool. Give Tarver Taz or Kane's old hood (combined with the facemask), and let him loose and just psychotically beat the absolute **** out of guys - THEN I might see him as dangerous (and entertaining, and fulfilling his potential).

Why don't I fear "The Nexus"? 'Cause I'm not even sure I covered everybody in my rant... and I only care for accuracy's sake alone if I did leave anybody out.

[crownsy]

The Nexus.......

Why I Don't Fear Them

Before the Tie-&-Spit Incident, I had the order of Nexus's dangerousness as such: #1, Bryan Danielson; #2, Stu / Wade Barret; #3, Justin Gabriel guy; and in a tie at #4, everybody else.

From what I'd seen in the ring and the way each character was presented, that was who I thought of when I considered, as a fan, "wow, who'd mess up a WWE star real bad?"

Since Danielson's departure, my rankings haven't changed. Barrett puts 'em down, Gabriel puts 'em out. Everyone else is really lucky to be earning a paycheck from Vince. I still have hope for Otunga, but he really needs his own spotlight, not the Gang Brutality Revue.

Hey, Black Cena could go to TNA, team up with Jay Lethal, and they could do the "gimmick revival" thing for a while, a la Black Machismo. Then, Jay Lethal could turn on Young, with the upshot being I'd never have to see Young bore my TV again. Put Primo over the red-head kid, for all I care. And someone tell the meat-head to stop being a Stone Cold clone. Not cool. Give Tarver Taz or Kane's old hood (combined with the facemask), and let him loose and just psychotically beat the absolute **** out of guys - THEN I might see him as dangerous (and entertaining, and fulfilling his potential).

Why don't I fear "The Nexus"? 'Cause I'm not even sure I covered everybody in my rant... and I only care for accuracy's sake alone if I did leave anybody out.


I hear ya, but that happens in EVERY large stable that's pushing the "We win by Numbers's" angle.


I mean, did anyone really fear Buff Bagwell and Horace Hogan when the NWO was into that stage of it? No, they were just decent workers who added to the number's game shtick.

Switching gears to last night, I really liked smackdown. Very good match by Kofi and Dolph, I like the new ultra violent side they've been letting Kofi show since MITB, really reconnects him to the persona he was displaying back when he first started fueding with Legacy.

Though that match losses points for the "you were to mean!" dq. It was necessary to tell the story at least, but i just hate that ending.

Nice beatdown by the SES as well, and WOOT! punk can wrestle again!

Swagger continues to impress in the ring and menace wise, just wish he gave a better promo. He's tolerable now, but not yet consistent. Some nights he gives you a good one, other times he sounds like david "baby huey " hart smith.

I actually liked both shows from the WWE this week. Thought they both did a good job of setting up SS. We'll see if Raw can do the rare two good shows in a row.

[Slagaholic]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/247/fd6eeee173f422bce1bfadf.jpg
Rumored to be WWE's new logo. Absolutely nothing confirmed.

[b0shey]

Now that was a ugly logo they should switch the belts instead both world titles are butt ugly.

[The Final Countdown]

Now that was a ugly logo they should switch the belts instead both world titles are butt ugly.

:eek:

I LOVE the Big Gold Belt (aka the World Heavyweight title.) I'd be all for a new WWE title, though, as I have always hated the stupid spinner belt.

[Jaysin]

:eek:

I LOVE the Big Gold Belt (aka the World Heavyweight title.) I'd be all for a new WWE title, though, as I have always hated the stupid spinner belt.

Exactly what I was going to say.

[Basmat01]

does the spinner on the belt even spin? cant remember the last time I saw it spin

Not the sure about the new logo though. Itll grow on me but I would think there would be better designs out there than that one

[Jaysin]

does the spinner on the belt even spin? cant remember the last time I saw it spin

Not the sure about the new logo though. Itll grow on me but I would think there would be better designs out there than that one

I don't think it spins it anymore, but spinner belt has kind of been adopted as its name.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

That logo is very similar to the pre scratch logo. I like the scratch, guess its a bit old though.

[SeanMcFly]

SPOILER ALERT!

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------------------------------> Dolph Ziggler will defeat Kofi Kingston for the WWE Intercontinental Championship next Smackdown!

My Reply to this - Dang, I was enjoying the pushing of Kofi, Mysterio and Bourne. Bourne's momentum was halted, Mysterio's will now be halted for Kane... who I don't really like as Champion, and Kofi's will now be halted. Dang You WWE what with the stopping the pushing of my favourite guys :-P

[Stennick]

I didn't the second name even had that. Shows how much attention I paid.

[crownsy]

why would the spoiler mean an end to Kofi's push?

white text to avoid spoiler myself :D

Dolph's a heel (aka short term holder in wwe today), and a great worker, and they have a nice program going...Pretty sure that's not going to be the end of the fued and in fact i expect Kofi to come out like a house of fire, demand his rematch at SS and either take it back there or the next PPV

[SeanMcFly]

^^ Good Point, makes sense.

Needs Moar White Text :D

Well... either that or they could give him a world title DAMMIT :-P

[SaySo]

Thank god Cena doesn't have the ego the size of Hulk Hogan.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Thing is he's so goody-two-shoes that an ego wouldn't hurt him either.

Raw was meh.

[MightyDavidson]

Thank god Cena doesn't have the ego the size of Hulk Hogan.

Which is a good thing. His character could use a bit of attitude though, in my opinion.

[juggaloninjalee]

If Cena went a little more tweener he would be great. More fans may like him if he wasn't so stale. Just my opinion though.

[Linsolv]

Personally, if he would get a bit more emotional sometimes...

I mean sure, he yells and shouts, but it's all in the ring. When was the last time Orton or Sheamus was getting up in his face and he just smacked them and told them to shut their mouth?

[RingofHonorGuard]

Things that were well done last night:

Selling the match at Summerslam between Nexus and RAW All Stars... Good build up as you're going to get, until the week before when they throw down some epic video package that reminds you why you still tune into The E anyway.

Teasing Edge/Jericho as a team again, something we all wanted to see before Edge got hurt... They're sticking their toes in the water to see how it goes, hope it goes through.

John Cena/Chris Jericho match... Aside from a few botched moves, the match was well done... Jericho's acting was A+, look at the dude's eyes and watch how they change as he goes through the motion.(after the match during the promo)

Hell, even the women were interesting in the ring last night outside of just being T&A.

One of the best RAW's I've seen in a long time, and the WWE has really started reeling me back in as a fan that's been absent for a couple of years.

I mean sure, he yells and shouts, but it's all in the ring. When was the last time Orton or Sheamus was getting up in his face and he just smacked them and told them to shut their mouth?

How many times did Earthquake, Andre, or whoever you want to choose from Super God Hogan era get in Hogan's face and how many times did Hogan slap that big bastage? Zero. Cena is this era's Hulk Hogan, a do-good do-right all the time who worships the fans, and the business, and really wants everyone to like him... that's storyline wise, and most likely the truth for his real person.

Not every face can be the vengeful Stone Cold Steve Austin.... After all that's what made him so unique. Orton is the closest thing to what you're asking for, and as long as we're in a more PG market, it's probably all you'll get.

[The Shape]

John Cena/Chris Jericho match... Aside from a few botched moves, the match was well done... Jericho's acting was A+, look at the dude's eyes and watch how they change as he goes through the motion.(after the match during the promo)

Agreed man, it was awesome. This angle has rejuvenated Jericho (and to a lesser extent, Edge) and made Cena's character more effective than it has been in a while. There's like a four tier disposition system going...the big bad Nexus, the normal bad guys who the fans want to cheer against them, the regular good guys who aren't perfect, and John Cena.

[Marshall]

I can't stop watching Jericho call Cena a stupid man - too funny...

[Jaysin]

What exactly does a kissing contest prove in the WWE?

[Teh_Showtime]

Layla is hawt so I don't care

also I'm really liking Husky Harris. He has that Samoa Joe look, where he's obviously fat but he's shorter too

[Jaysin]

Not going to lie, the more I see Husky, the less I like him.

[SaySo]

What exactly does a kissing contest prove in the WWE?

They should have brought the Chairman, Vince McMahon, Kiss My Thang Club Challenge.

[BurningHamster]

also I'm really liking Husky Harris. He has that Samoa Joe look, where he's obviously fat but he's shorter too

I am liking him more than Samoa Joe because Husky has a personality. A sleezy fat bully second generation personality. I like my wrestlers in all different shapes and sizes.

[MasterJ]

Husky should go far in WWE if used right he's my fav. NXT Rookie and has the most potintal character wise. I also think Henning is good

[Jaysin]

Wow, I'm actually mad after that NXT. Kaval loses AGAIN and they feed Joe Hennig to The Miz. LAME

[RingofHonorGuard]

Wow, I'm actually mad after that NXT. Kaval loses AGAIN and they feed Joe Hennig to The Miz. LAME

Kaval is in the same boat as Bryan Danielson though, he doesn't really need to look good on the show... And it's not like he's losing to Percy Watson, he's lost twice in a row to Husky, whom they're trying to make something special.

I can promise you they're putting hopes on Mysterio and Kaval putting some asses in the seats, that's going to be the money feud for Kaval post NXT.

As for Hennig, they needed a way to make the competition seem more balanced, and they probably didn't want to have him lose to another NXT guy, so Miz was the logical choice. It's a double plus in my eyes... Hennig gets that rub from being in there with Miz, who lets be honest, is the star of NXT this season. And Miz gets the win, and will be able to hold the fact that Hennig wasn't perfect at the end of the season. They wanted to feud Danielson and Miz, maybe they'll feud Miz and Hennig for the US title.

[MasterJ]

I dont see Low Ki Mysterio outting people in seats other than IWC/People who have seen his indy stuff. I like Kaval but dont see him going far in WWE

[The Final Countdown]

They wanted to feud Danielson and Miz, maybe they'll feud Miz and Hennig for the US title.
Part of me wonders if they even remember that Miz has the US title. How often do they even mention it?

[dvdWarrior]

Part of me wonders if they even remember that Miz has the US title. How often do they even mention it?

I think Michael Coleslaw mentioned it tonight when he was going over how amazingly awesome The Miz is. He sure does love him some Miz.

:eek:

[SeanMcFly]

Not going to lie, the more I see Husky, the less I like him.

Thank You.

Percy Watson, Kaval, Joe Hennig. Only reasons I tune in to watch NXT.

Never liked Husky since the first episode when he botched that move on Percy Watson, He's really the entertainment factor (along with the Miz) that gets me to watch the show.

Kaval, is just, Kaval. I really love his martial arts style which makes him unique. Disappointed that he continues to lose.

Joe Hennig and Kofi Kingston is my favourite pairing. Love Kofi, Love Hennig. I'll echo that hopes that Kaval Feuds with Rey, Hennig feuds with Miz... and Percy Watson goes on to glory... :D

[BurningHamster]

Never liked Husky since the first episode when he botched that move on Percy Watson, He's really the entertainment factor (along with the Miz) that gets me to watch the show.


Seriously, when are people going to stop blaming Husky for Percy's inability to lay still and take a senton like a man? I love Percy as much as the next guy, but that botch was totally his fault for half rolling onto his side instead of staying flat on his back.

On an unrelated note I just saw the match of the year tonight at the Smackdown house show. Big Show defeated Drew McIntire in roughly 4 seconds.

[Self]

When you roll out of the way of a move, you roll towards the head. That's how it's done. Percy rolled towards Husky's feet, realized his mistake, tried to fix it, and got squashed. As awesome as Percy Watson is (Oh Yeah!) that was his fault.

[RingofHonorGuard]

I dont see Low Ki Mysterio outting people in seats other than IWC/People who have seen his indy stuff. I like Kaval but dont see him going far in WWE

Kaval has more fans than just "Kaval" fans. A lot of people know him as Low Ki from his ROH and TNA days. I have a friend who's what you would call casual at best, he just watches the WWE(RAW particularly), but he knew who Kaval was.

Kaval's style is meant to get you into him, and it does. He's got a very unique style, and he's only expanded on it since his developmental contract.

I think a lot of you have forgotten what it's like when Rey faces guys that are his own size, especially other ring generals like Kaval.

I'm not saying the guy is going to win the world title, but he's going to give guys like Evan Bourne and Rey Mysterio something to do, and it's going to be exciting as hell.

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As far as The Miz is concerned, they did do a poor job of keeping you reminded he was the US champion. But they've started kicking it into overdrive here recently, and they're acknowledging it all the time. They've actually been bringing some flavor and credibility back to the belts, though not really sure what's going on with Kane and his title.

Husky Harris is going to end up being a tag team wrestler, unless he really starts working on his physique and mic skills. I realize his gimmick is to be a bad ass fat man, but I just don't see him winning any single's belts at the start. I'd like to see him featured in tag team action, and really would like to see the WWF go back to that early 90's blueprint of building up stars through tag teams. We haven't seen that done effectively in so long.

I can't stand Percy Watson. He tries too hard, his facial mannerisms make him look like he's constantly got a bloated diarrhea feeling in his stomach. He's pretty piss poor when making stuff look legit in the ring. Last night for example in his match, when he grapevined the arm and was hitting it... Those punches looked absolutely stupid. The guy obviously has some athletic gifts, he jumps like Kevin Randleman when he does a leapfrog. But he's green as hell everywhere else. Lots of charisma, a good physique, but poor wrestling skills when it's not down to being athletic or flashy. Plus, he's pretty slow considering all of the dropkicks and jumping he does.

Alex Riley has a good star quality about him, but still not sold on him as he hasn't really shown his own personality much... mostly held down by the cloud of awesome that is The Miz.

I'm trying really hard to get into Joe Hennig, as his father holds two titles in my mind... Best psychology match of all time; Summerslam 91 with Bret Hart and quite honestly, the fearless award... For wanting to grapple with Brock Lesnar thousands of feet above ground on an airplane :)

But Joe's got the cards stacked against him... Really dumb name(Joe Hennig would have been much better, though not copyrightable), equally dumb finisher that looks just like a standard swinging neckbreaker until you see it in slow motion, and even then it looks pretty weak to me most of the time. I think he would have gotten over more easily using the damn Hennig Plex, and them explaining that that he was a master of the move, as it was handed down from his father. If you're going to give him a standard move as a finisher, at least give him something that has a bit of nostalgia to get him over. They're already going the "This is Curt Hennig's son" route... So why not?

[Jaysin]

How can they be adding credibility back to the US title when it's a prop now? It's essentially just part of his entrance attire.

[RingofHonorGuard]

How can they be adding credibility back to the US title when it's a prop now? It's essentially just part of his entrance attire.

Simple; the title is on The Miz, and he's one of the most over people in the company... It doesn't matter if he's actively defending it, he's talking about it and making it important, or at least he has been doing the past two weeks.

I will say that the US title has somewhat taken a backseat on being defended now that he's gotten The Money in the Bank.

But honestly, not sure what you want from the US title. It's basically been a prop since WWE started using it. No one has really done anything with it, but at least the Miz is holding it, and he's half way interesting which is more than you can say for someone like MVP.

[dvdWarrior]

Simple; the title is on The Miz, and he's one of the most over people in the company... It doesn't matter if he's actively defending it, he's talking about it and making it important, or at least he has been doing the past two weeks.

I will say that the US title has somewhat taken a backseat on being defended now that he's gotten The Money in the Bank.

But honestly, not sure what you want from the US title. It's basically been a prop since WWE started using it. No one has really done anything with it, but at least the Miz is holding it, and he's half way interesting which is more than you can say for someone like MVP.

It's not just the last two weeks though. I just watched Elimination Chamber 2010 on WWE Classics On Demand, and The Miz was bragging about being the US Champion on there too, something to do with his being US champ and Undisputed Tag Team champ at the same time. That was at least 6 months ago, (however long ago February was).

:)

[ampulator]

You are ALL wrong... all the titles are just props now. WWE has made them meaningless.

[Jaysin]

MVP defended the title, he made you care about him winning/losing it whether you hated him or loved him. He is in my opinion the best US Champion since WWE brought the belt in.

The Miz, as much as I love him, the US title means nothing. It's a MIDCARD title, yet they're putting it on a guy that's supposedly breaking the glass ceiling? They could be building a nice midcard feud over the title, but instead they're using it to keep the Miz's trunks up.

[Self]

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

[ampulator]

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

[Self]

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

It's awesome because it's clear what each title means. Brock Lesnar is the best fighter at a certain weight. Georges St. Pierre is the best fighter at a certain weight. Anderson Silva is the best fighter at a certain weight (is he still champ? I know he's fighting Sonnen on Saturday...) Each belt means something distinct and different to the others. It's obvious why Brock Lesnar doesn't want the Lightweight belt. He's too big. On the other hand, I haven't a clue why Sheamus (the character) wouldn't want the US Title... unless the belt was worthless.

I like midcard belts as long as the guidelines are clear. Cruiserweight? Awesome. We've got a weight limit. Women's? Fantastic, there's a gender limitation. Some kind of 'Young Gun' belt with an age limit would also float my boat considerably. Belts "just for midcarders" really bother me though, because card position is an 'inside' thing in my mind.

[PeterHilton]

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

The titles have lost importance over the years; right now the main problem is that the midcard is too thin to support a relevant midcard belt.

If anything, they should unify the US and IC titles and then have the champion defend on both shows, using the prop as a tool to strengthen the shows when Raw and/or SD is having a lull in their midcard.

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.

Do you even understand what that statement "all titles are props" means? Do you?

It's a tool used to tell stories. The appearance is relatively meaningless (did the WWE title lose credibility when Stone Cold put on a skull belt? Or when The Rock customised it? no..of course not)

As long as you can run a storyline where the title is the object of desire, it's not a prop. The US and both women's titles are fairly useless at the moment...the tag belts were helped by having JeriShow and ShowMiz hold the belts but are pretty benign now..but both "world titles" have been booked well as of late and even with the multiple title switches are always kept in story times as the biggest prize(s) in the business.

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

You are f'n baffling sometimes...:rolleyes:

[PeterHilton]

I like midcard belts as long as the guidelines are clear. Cruiserweight? Awesome. We've got a weight limit. Women's? Fantastic, there's a gender limitation. Some kind of 'Young Gun' belt with an age limit would also float my boat considerably. Belts "just for midcarders" really bother me though, because card position is an 'inside' thing in my mind.

Card position - in kayfabe terms - wasn't always what the belts were about.

it was a logical extension of the fact that the "world" title was the most important title in a promotion, so the next step down would be the "u.s." or "intercontinental"

And I'm sure you know all that and i get where you're coming from. but - going back to the prop idea - those secondary belts were great ways to add weight to feuds and to give fans a reason to come out to the arena (or watch the show in the case of TV titles ) when the main event players weren't involved

Specific guidelines aside..the belts mean as much as the writers want them to mean...depending on how much work they put into creating an impression those belts are worth fighting for.

no one seems to care about the US title right now, so it's meaningless. But based on the extended feuds that have gone on over the IC title on SD i would say that belt still has some prestige. At the moment, anyways.

[lazorbeak]

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.


Yes, all titles are props in professional wrestling, because it is a fake sport. Being World Heavyweight Champion doesn't mean you are literally the greatest wrestler in the world because you won a pre-determined match. And they look like overblown pieces of jewelry so they can sell overblown pieces of jewelry, because again, wrestling is a work whose goal is to make money.

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

It's just a reason to give lower card guys something to fight for on TV. It's fine for what it is, but I agree I like belts that have a specific purpose better. As gimmicky and dumb as the hardcore title eventually became, at least it had its own set of rules so when Al Snow or whoever held it they could claim to be the "most hardcore" guy in the promotion.

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

Again, belts like this have a purpose, in that they give guys that don't have fully formed storylines something to do. Dolph Ziggler isn't going to get a 10 minute promo, but darn it, he wants the IC belt! I guess he should fight the champ on TV or something...

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

Yup, all belts are props. And now I can't help but think about Triple H withering away and rambling about "his preciousssssss."


I don't get the occasional smarky coplaints about how the IC title isn't as valuable as it was in the 80's or early 90's: of course it isn't. In the 80's and early 90's, Jimmy Snuka or Shawn Michaels could never be Heavyweight Champion, because they weren't heavyweights: the IC belt is about as far as they could go. Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio would never have runs as world champs in that era. Additionally, the brand system means you basically have twice the guys in the main event picture, and whichever belt is being depicted as being less important in a given month is functionally acting the way the old IC title did. I mean the belt isn't the #2 belt anymore, and by a distant margin. Of course it's not as important as it was 20 years ago.

[Wrestling Century]

The belts are still important IMO, because you don't see any average joe getting the belts. When somebody gets a title, it raises their image in the eyes of the fans (usually) and is usually a way of the company telling you that they can trust you to put on a good show. Because championships usually = matches.

[Self]

It's just a reason to give lower card guys something to fight for on TV. It's fine for what it is, but I agree I like belts that have a specific purpose better. As gimmicky and dumb as the hardcore title eventually became, at least it had its own set of rules so when Al Snow or whoever held it they could claim to be the "most hardcore" guy in the promotion.

Again, belts like this have a purpose, in that they give guys that don't have fully formed storylines something to do. Dolph Ziggler isn't going to get a 10 minute promo, but darn it, he wants the IC belt! I guess he should fight the champ on TV or something...

Sure. I understand and applaud the purpose of midcard belts... even though it's slightly lazy storytelling in my mind. I'd prefer to see fights coming out of personal conflicts than too many 'you have belt, me want belt' situations. However, it's a tried and tested formula, so more power to it. I just want logic, clear-cut guidelines. I need a kayfabe reason why the characters of John Cena, Randy Orton, Triple H et al don't fight for the belt. Right now, the only reason I can see is "the belt is beneath them". Which is a terrible reason. It buries the belt more than The Miz wearing it ever could.

[Jaysin]

The belts are still important IMO, because you don't see any average joe getting the belts. When somebody gets a title, it raises their image in the eyes of the fans (usually) and is usually a way of the company telling you that they can trust you to put on a good show. Because championships usually = matches.

Except the Miz doesn't defend the US title. Which is my problem with him holding it in the first place.

[ampulator]

The thing is, though, Jericho, in terms of actual weight, may or may not be a heavweight. But it's not like that matters, because it is, let's face it, not a legitmate sport. And I'm fine with that.

The problem isn't Rey or Jericho is wearing a title. It's that WWE has no idea when to change the title to keep it interesting yet important at the same time. In past 10 years, they have tried both long reigns for a while, and then changing champions for a while. Neither worked because the problem isn't long title reigns OR constantly changing champions. It's, as I've said it before, poorly booked reigns and poorly booked matches, regardless of length of reign or how many times a guy was a champion.

[The Shape]

I don't see a problem with Cena, Trips etc not wanting the second tier belt, personally I don't have a kayfabe problem with the logic of a second tier belt, because it's logically a step in the right direction, Trips, Orton, Cena, they've all held midcard belts in the past on their way to getting to where they are.

[Teh_Showtime]

JBL's title reign was amazing

I was liking the Age of Orton until he got hurt too. They really had those storylines booked well.

Nobody expected JBL to beat Big SHow in a cage match and the way he did it was great in itself. He also beat Undertaker in a Last Ride match. That is how to get someone over

Nobody thought Orton would go over HHH and Cena at WM24 and he put on some good matches during that reign

[Game-Face]

Please for the love o god Cena Turn heel at summer slam. I like cena, but his face run is incredible stale. ... A heel turn for cena could shake up the entire Comapany. Maybe they could start doing some good stuff again.

[MrOnu]

Please for the love o god Cena Turn heel at summer slam. I like cena, but his face run is incredible stale. ... A heel turn for cena could shake up the entire Comapany. Maybe they could start doing some good stuff again.

One part of me agrees, but the other just want that Nexus angle to end. This angles no longer entertains me, I'm at the point now of finding it pointless and directionless. Of course, if you find a way to turn Cena and end the Nexus angle, that would be another thing ;)

[TheEdgeOfReason]

One part of me agrees, but the other just want that Nexus angle to end. This angles no longer entertains me, I'm at the point now of finding it pointless and directionless. Of course, if you find a way to turn Cena and end the Nexus angle, that would be another thing ;)

I love this angle. It dragged for a while but since the announced the 7 on 7, it has been great. Best storyline since Edge won his first world title for me.

[crownsy]

I love this angle. It dragged for a while but since the announced the 7 on 7, it has been great. Best storyline since Edge won his first world title for me.

I'm with you Edge, I think this angle has been fine. SS will go a long way towards making it or breaking it, but overall it's been fresh and the Team Cena/Jericho angle has, as someone above me mentioned, gone a long way towards making Y2J, Edge, and Cena more believable in thier roles.

Heck, i even sort of kinda care about Kahli's nexus interactions, which considering how much i Loath him getting air time is saying something :D

[Self]

This morning, for the first time in a long time, I looked at the card for a WWE show and got excited.

I'm talking of course, about last night's WWE Superstars show. Zack Ryder vs Evan Bourne. Layla vs Tiffany. Hawkins & Archer vs The Dudebusters! I was so psyched I watched it during work. It was worth the risk of getting fired. Fun times. I found the tag match quite bizarre. It was heel vs heel, and The Dudebusters were playing subtle babyface, which I dug. They've always struck me as Edd Stone-ish characters. Egotistical idiots, but lovably so.

The NXT kissing contest actually looked pretty fun in highlight form.

[RingofHonorGuard]

Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?

[Shmoe]

Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?

I also think if Joey Styles can knock JBL on his ass, Husky Harris would do far worse :p

[juggaloninjalee]

They could turn Cena heel by having him and 1 other member of his team (Morrison maybe?) going against 2 Nexus guys. Then Cena turns on Morrison. Walks out letting himself be counted out. This allows Cena to be off television promoting his movie while Morrison continues to call out Cena. Saying what he did was cowardly blah blah blah... This angle could get Morrison over. When Cena returns it could be by running in on Morrison.

I dunno it would be cool because Morrison I see as our generations Shawn Michaels in a sense. He reminds me of HBK when he had his IC run.

[RingofHonorGuard]

They could turn Cena heel by having him and 1 other member of his team (Morrison maybe?) going against 2 Nexus guys. Then Cena turns on Morrison. Walks out letting himself be counted out. This allows Cena to be off television promoting his movie while Morrison continues to call out Cena. Saying what he did was cowardly blah blah blah... This angle could get Morrison over. When Cena returns it could be by running in on Morrison.

I dunno it would be cool because Morrison I see as our generations Shawn Michaels in a sense. He reminds me of HBK when he had his IC run.

If they turn Cena heel I seriously doubt it would be to set up some kind of program with John Morrison. The Miz pretty much said it best, Morrison hasn't really done anything of any substance since him and Miz were champs. He's a decent wrestler, albeit nothing that makes you scream "I NEED TO SEE THIS GUY PERFORM!" He also works way better as a heel than a face, so him doing a program with Cena just seems for nothing.

I think people are just investing too much into this... They aren't going to turn Cena heel before he releases a movie anyway.

And honestly, The Nexus doesn't really need Cena to get over. And if the WWE believes that, then they've really missed the boat on this one.

I also think if Joey Styles can knock JBL on his ass, Husky Harris would do far worse

Well, in all fairness... A) There were people in the mix separating them from anything happening, and Joey Styles took advantage of being the smaller guy(thus not being restrained as much), and threw a sucker punch more than anything else. It doesn't matter if the sucker punch was for a sucker or not :P and B) Who the hell would expect Joey Styles to throw a punch in the first place? That in itself is just astounding, which is why it was such hot news when it happened.

I seriously doubt Styles would have thrown that punch at JBL if there weren't a lot of people around, some of which were probably egging him on due to the dislike of JBL in the back. Regardless it happened, Husky just looks like someone ideal that JBL would be all over. Though maybe the fact that he's a generation wrestler it might cancel it out. I guess I just miss JBL... lol

[juggaloninjalee]

Why did Joey Styles hit JBL? I havent heard this before.

I just think if it came down to only Cena and Morrison and 2 Nexus guys that would be a good way to turn Cena heel. It would also help Morrison get over.

[Shmoe]

You never saw/heard any of the "Joey Styles - that knock out kid" stuff that was going around straight afterwards? Haha, those were funny days.

Story has it JBL was just aggravating Styles no end, full on constant bullying, Styles blasted him with a shot in the chops or jaw and put JBL on the ground. Which is endlessly awesome. ROHGuard, no matter the circumstances, the fact of the matter is Joey Styles knocked a 300+ pound, rough tough cowboy to the ground. With one punch, sucker or not. I get what you're saying though, I miss JBL ...more as a commentator though, I gotta say.

Apparently back in the day when he was Bradshaw he was screwing with Steve Blackman at an airport, Blackman went to roundhouse kick him but his foot got caught in a bag. Say what you will about JBL, but at least he keeps things interesting, haha.

[BurningHamster]

Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?

I dunno, didn't JBL used to tag with Harris's uncle Barry Windham? Not sure how they got along or anything but I think JBL is more likely to pick a smaller target anyway.

[Huntman]

Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?

JBL is..a interesting character. He doesn't know when to pick his battles, plus he isn't the sharpest knife, after the incident in Germany. So I doubt he would after getting knocked out by a little Joey Styles.

[b0shey]

A photo has surfaced online of the group of female talent who took part in WWE's Evaluation Clinic. The photo shows a load of Divas on their lunch break outside a local restaurant. Among those trying out include former TNA performer Josette Bynum (a/k/a Sojournor Bolt, Josie), former TNA performer Bonnie Maxon (a/k/a Ms. Payton Banks, Rain), AAA Women's Champion Sexy Star, independent wrestler She Nay Nay (notably competed against Beth Phoenix last October on an episode of Friday Night SmackDown), and a pair of blonde twins from Ohio Valley Wrestling known as The Blossom Twins.

Finally WWE are looking at Rain (would love to see my future wife on WWE tv) lets hope they do the right thing and sign her, and also i really hope they dont sign Sojournor Bolt.

[ampulator]

You never saw/heard any of the "Joey Styles - that knock out kid" stuff that was going around straight afterwards? Haha, those were funny days.

Story has it JBL was just aggravating Styles no end, full on constant bullying, Styles blasted him with a shot in the chops or jaw and put JBL on the ground. Which is endlessly awesome. ROHGuard, no matter the circumstances, the fact of the matter is Joey Styles knocked a 300+ pound, rough tough cowboy to the ground. With one punch, sucker or not. I get what you're saying though, I miss JBL ...more as a commentator though, I gotta say.

Apparently back in the day when he was Bradshaw he was screwing with Steve Blackman at an airport, Blackman went to roundhouse kick him but his foot got caught in a bag. Say what you will about JBL, but at least he keeps things interesting, haha.
Strong small guys can easily beat out-of-shape fat guys. It can and does happen.

[Stennick]

I dunno it would be cool because Morrison I see as our generations Shawn Michaels in a sense. He reminds me of HBK when he had his IC run.

See him as this generation's HBK in which way? He's a slender, athletic, attractive male, who has broken from a tag team to find success in the mid card?

Because I don't think John has a tenth of the wrestling ability and a hundredth of the charisma that Shawn had.

They have similar builds, similar looks and their careers have gone somewhat the same way in the WWE but I'd say thats where the similarities start and end.

[Slagaholic]

Remember when you couldn't make it through a Morrison match without him being compared to HBK 25 times? Boy those days stunk.

[The Final Countdown]

Remember when you couldn't make it through a Morrison match without him being compared to HBK 25 times? Boy those days stunk.
With the way Miz's career has gone, maybe Morrison should be compared to the other member of the Rockers.

[Shmoe]

Strong small guys can easily beat out-of-shape fat guys. It can and does happen.

Forgive me for not realising Joey Styles was a strong man in his weight class.

[The Shape]

Man I feel bad for Ziggler. A year ago was when he should have won this belt. The crowd were all over him at summerslam against rey. Huge let's go ziggler chants, he was impressing everybody, the belt actually meant something, it was awesome. Now, nobody cares about the belt, the guy he beat for it or the match he won it in, and to make it even worse he gets his ass kicked afterwards.

[Remianen]

You never saw/heard any of the "Joey Styles - that knock out kid" stuff that was going around straight afterwards? Haha, those were funny days.

Story has it JBL was just aggravating Styles no end, full on constant bullying, Styles blasted him with a shot in the chops or jaw and put JBL on the ground. Which is endlessly awesome. ROHGuard, no matter the circumstances, the fact of the matter is Joey Styles knocked a 300+ pound, rough tough cowboy to the ground. With one punch, sucker or not. I get what you're saying though, I miss JBL ...more as a commentator though, I gotta say.

Apparently back in the day when he was Bradshaw he was screwing with Steve Blackman at an airport, Blackman went to roundhouse kick him but his foot got caught in a bag. Say what you will about JBL, but at least he keeps things interesting, haha.

A photo has surfaced online of the group of female talent who took part in WWE's Evaluation Clinic. The photo shows a load of Divas on their lunch break outside a local restaurant. Among those trying out include former TNA performer Josette Bynum (a/k/a Sojournor Bolt, Josie), former TNA performer Bonnie Maxon (a/k/a Ms. Payton Banks, Rain), AAA Women's Champion Sexy Star, independent wrestler She Nay Nay (notably competed against Beth Phoenix last October on an episode of Friday Night SmackDown), and a pair of blonde twins from Ohio Valley Wrestling known as The Blossom Twins.

Finally WWE are looking at Rain (would love to see my future wife on WWE tv) lets hope they do the right thing and sign her, and also i really hope they dont sign Sojournor Bolt.

Agree to disagree. Josie fits WWE's product far better than Rain does (and I love Rain to death), although Rain probably has the more WWE-ready body. Besides, they know Josie better, I would think, given the time she spent in OVW (like Serena). Hannah and Holly are great development prospects (like the Bellas) but I'd be sad if Polly (aka Sexy Star) wound up with them. Would be a waste of a very promising lucha talent. Plus, I much prefer seeing Rain on the indies (where she's featured) whenever I want rather than a couple minutes a month in largely throwaway segments. She Nay Nay is a SPARKLE wrestler, I thought, so she'd be a good choice to move up to the 'E. She hasn't proven herself to be a fully capable performer so she's just one or two steps up from 'fitness model' in my eyes.

Then again, this could all come to nothing. After all, how many times has Melissa been "evaluated" by the 'E?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Apparently WWE have signed Tyler Black. Can't say I am familiar with his work, but from what I've read its a good signing, yeah?

[BurningHamster]

Apparently WWE have signed Tyler Black. Can't say I am familiar with his work, but from what I've read its a good signing, yeah?

Meh, some people seem to like him but I think he's probably the least charismatic guy alive and can't quite fathom his rapid rise in RoH.

[b0shey]

Apparently WWE have signed Tyler Black. Can't say I am familiar with his work, but from what I've read its a good signing, yeah?

I knew it was only a matter of time before WWE picked him up, great news :D

[The Final Countdown]

Tyler can put on some very good matches (his match with Davey Richards from this year's Death Before Dishonor is MOTY so far IMO), and I suppose he has a decent look by WWE standards, but the dude cannot talk. At all. Best of luck to him, but I don't seem him making it very far.

[ChrisKid]

Hoping Tyler dosen't get a dodgy name

[BurningHamster]

Hoping Tyler dosen't get a dodgy name

He isn't a second generation wrestler as far as I know, so he is at least safe from the worst of the dodgy names.

[MichiganHero]

He isn't a second generation wrestler as far as I know, so he is at least safe from the worst of the dodgy names.

So he shall become Black Tyler, because we all know how the WWE like to just switch indy workers names around.

[SeanMcFly]

So he shall become Black Tyler, because we all know how the WWE like to just switch indy workers names around.

Black Tyler the Pirate. Huzzah :rolleyes:

[MattitudeV2]

Black Tyler the Pirate. Huzzah :rolleyes:

Ya know they could his real name with his ROH character and get names like Colby Black or Tyler Lopez, simple?

[ChrisKid]

Ya know they could his real name with his ROH character and get names like Colby Black or Tyler Lopez, simple?

I'd change Colby Black to maybe Cody Black or even Tarzan Lopez but that's just me

[MasterJ]

The wrestlemania showing on NBC last night drew a very very very bad rating of .66 or rounded up .7 that's terible

[Tha Black Phenom]

It deserved it. Rip-off of a show. No point to it.

[Candyman]

A ripoff recap version of a show from months ago that you know the results to that got minimal advertising...got bad ratings? I'm shocked.

[lazorbeak]

I've been a fan of Black ever since I built a small indy promotion around him in EWR about 4 years ago. Is bringing him in as Punk's rookie next season of NXT or a member of the SES too obvious? I mean he could be Punk's little brother the two look so similar.

[Comradebot]

I'll be honest, I'm not too hyped about Tyler Black. He's a good in-ring worker and incredibly athletic, but he's always been as dull as beige and I've always thought his ring work relyed too heavily on his athleticism. He reminds me of the guy from Indian Jones with the sword, flailing it around with incredible skill yet in a manner that's completely unnecessary and accomplishes nothing. And that's Tyler Black: throwing in random flips and flops that do absolutely nothing except show he can flip and flop.

[LoNdOn]

I'll be honest, I'm not too hyped about Tyler Black. He's a good in-ring worker and incredibly athletic, but he's always been as dull as beige and I've always thought his ring work relyed too heavily on his athleticism. He reminds me of the guy from Indian Jones with the sword, flailing it around with incredible skill yet in a manner that's completely unnecessary and accomplishes nothing. And that's Tyler Black: throwing in random flips and flops that do absolutely nothing except show he can flip and flop.

I read the last part of this comment and just saw Rukus in......well, any one of his matches.

[Linsolv]

I've been trying to think of why I like Tyler Black -- I do, certainly. I like his look...

Otherwise, every idea I come up with is how much I like the way he's been booked. I like his character, essentially. So I guess that means that I like RoH more than I like Tyler Black specifically.

[sabataged]

So with the 7 on 7 match at Summerslam, odds are there has to be a turn/big twist. Usually there are only these types of matches as final feud blow off matches or big twist angles. I see someone from the WWE team turning. Thoughts?

[LoNdOn]

So with the 7 on 7 match at Summerslam, odds are there has to be a turn/big twist. Usually there are only these types of matches as final feud blow off matches or big twist angles. I see someone from the WWE team turning. Thoughts?

I have thought for quite a while that it is the Miz

[Teh_Showtime]

I'm willing to bank on a WWE guy turning preferably Morrison or Truth

I don't see it being on of them, as they Arent major enough very possible post SS though

not cena either

I think it will happen eventually and as for SS, WWE will work together

[Candyman]

So with the 7 on 7 match at Summerslam, odds are there has to be a turn/big twist. Usually there are only these types of matches as final feud blow off matches or big twist angles. I see someone from the WWE team turning. Thoughts?

Yeah, I have no doubt that someone from team WWE is going to turn. There's nothing else you can do. It's either Team WWE wins clean and the fued ends, and it's way too early for that, or Nexus gets some help and wins. The most logical help is somebody on Team WWE turning, although there are other possibilities.

It's not going to be Morrison or Truth, obviously. It could be Jericho or Edge...but both would be extremely predictable. John Cena? I do see a Cena heel turn in the not too distant future, but not yet. I cannot see him aligning with Nexus. Then there's Bret Hart. From a storyline perspective, this makes so much sense it hurts. Especially with them taking out Vince. It would be very believable for Bret to be a bitter veteran who has this giant axe to grind against the WWE. But could he be a good heel? Does he have the mic skills? Can he committ to the full time schedule that would be required as a leader of Nexus? I think the answer to all of these questions is no. Of the guys currently on Team WWE, I think he makes the most sense.

But then again, there's still an opening on Team WWE, isn't there? I think something is going to happen there. I don't think that teaser with The Miz was just thrown in on Raw as filler. Will he join? Will he turn? He's had absolutely no interactions with Nexus. Is it a coincidence that he also hated the only guy that got kicked out of Nexus? (unless you're still buying Daniel Bryan's release was legit, lol)

And then there's the giant elephant in the room....Triple H. Is it true that he's still hurt and won't be back until November? If it is, can he do a non-wrestling role until then? He might be good to wrestle just in time to be in a Survivor Series match, which is when I'm assuming this angle will end...unless it ends at Bragging Rights, which is only a couple weeks earlier. If it is him, it's fair to wonder why they would call a truce with the guy that took out Triple H, but maybe they could say Triple H wanted Sheamus for himself. But that would still leave them both as heels, and I don't know how they would continue their rivalry like that.

Will something really crazy happen? Will The Rock come back as the leader of Nexus? Stone Cold Steve Austin? Barrett keeps saying this is part of a much, much bigger picture - and I believe him. This is just getting started. Say what you want about their storylines of late, but the whole Nexus angle continues to be very interesting.

[Stennick]

I do see a Cena heel turn in the not too distant future, but not yet. I cannot see him aligning with Nexus.

I think a Cena heel turn is atleast two years off. If they wanted to pull the trigger on a Cena heel turn they would have done it in 06 when virtually entire arena's were booing this guy. They didn't do it then and their not going to do it now. There is NOBODY that has the babyface thing down like Cena. Orton is doing his best Stone Cold impersonation but Randy is not long for the babyface world. Cena's got a few years left on this babyface thing. It will take something huge for them to turn him. He's easily their biggest draw and biggest merch cash cow. If they turn Cena who takes that mantle? Randy is the only guy close to Cena in terms of popularity and again I don't see Randy long for a babyface run. With nobody on the horizon getting the reactions Cena gets there is NO WAY he turns. Zero, there is more of a chance I become the leader of Nexus than John Cena.

Then there's Bret Hart. From a storyline perspective, this makes so much sense it hurts. Especially with them taking out Vince. It would be very believable for Bret to be a bitter veteran who has this giant axe to grind against the WWE. But could he be a good heel? Does he have the mic skills? Can he committ to the full time schedule that would be required as a leader of Nexus? I think the answer to all of these questions is no. Of the guys currently on Team WWE, I think he makes the most sense.

I agree with you Bret Hart makes sense from a story perspective but Bret's not cut a single promo since he's been back that hasn't put me to sleep. The guy is a shell of his former cool self, he looks awkward on camera, his voice is shot, and he has just about zero swag left. This is not 1997 Bret Hart thats for sure. Turning him would be a mistake.

Is it a coincidence that he also hated the only guy that got kicked out of Nexus? (unless you're still buying Daniel Bryan's release was legit, lol)

Ha, people out there still believe Bryan Danielson's firing was a work. Even though they've not brought his name up a single time, mentioned his firing a single time, and he's apparently in talks of signing a WRITTEN contract with the Florida start up group. Danielson is going to show up in an episode of Superstars in five years losing to Eli Cottonwood in a squash and the conspiracy theorists are going to say "HA I TOLD YOU IT WAS ALL A WORK HE'S BACK". Bryan got fired, it wasn't his fault per say but he got fired. He's gone and its highly unlikely he's coming back anytime soon. I know its fun to think that the internet wrestling God is a serious part of some major WWE storyline that arches several months but honestly if they can't put together clever, twisting, turning, long running storylines for their top draws such as Cena, HHH, Orton, etc what in the world makes you think they'd do it for Daneilson? The answer is they wouldn't. Bryan is gone and likely not coming back anytime soon. Acceptance is the first step.

And then there's the giant elephant in the room....Triple H. Is it true that he's still hurt and won't be back until November? If it is, can he do a non-wrestling role until then? He might be good to wrestle just in time to be in a Survivor Series match, which is when I'm assuming this angle will end...unless it ends at Bragging Rights, which is only a couple weeks earlier. If it is him, it's fair to wonder why they would call a truce with the guy that took out Triple H, but maybe they could say Triple H wanted Sheamus for himself. But that would still leave them both as heels, and I don't know how they would continue their rivalry like that.

I agree Triple H would make sense and I agree that he could come back in a non wrestling role. I still think it will wind up being him or Jericho. That being said didn't they scrap the Survivor Series pay per view? Did I miss something or read something wrong? I thought they scrapped that pay per view and people were upset they cut out one of the "original" ppvs?

Will something really crazy happen? Will The Rock come back as the leader of Nexus? Stone Cold Steve Austin? Barrett keeps saying this is part of a much, much bigger picture - and I believe him. This is just getting started. Say what you want about their storylines of late, but the whole Nexus angle continues to be very interesting.

I said earlier I had a better shot of coming back as the leader of Nexus than John Cena did. Well my 8 year old brother has a better shot at leading them than The Rock does. As to The Rock who by the way is booked up with movies for the next three years straight check out IMDB. The Rock has "Faster" which is an action movie with Billy Bob Thorton. He's then got Fast and the Furious 5 which is currently filming, Protection, Tomorrowland, Other People's wishes, and Racing Dreams. Not too mention The Other Guys JUST released in theaters. So thats what six or seven movies on his plate?

Even if he wasn't making more from ONE of those movies than the WWE could afford to pay him you really think he's going to leave a successful career in Hollywood to come back and play around on RAW? He's not been able to HOST RAW due to movie commitments you really think he's making a big return? I don't know which is more crazy people that think Bryan Danielson thing was a work or people that think their seeing The Rock in a wrestling ring in the next ten years if ever. Guys he's a leading man in Hollywood with a succesful movie career that has no signs of slowing down. He got out, he's not Ric Flair, he's not Hulk Hogan. The guy has found a way to make (more) money outside of pro wrestling. He left pro wrestling as one of the all time biggest stars ever and he's only upped his game another level since then becoming a famous movie star. He's not coming back on Sunday, he's not coming back in five years. Hope he finds the time to stop being successful in Hollywood to host RAW or to put out a DVD or maybe even just show up for a Hall of Fame induction some time down the road. He's not wrestling....maybe ever again. Again acceptance of these things is key.

Austin has Hunt to Kill thats being released, The Stranger thats being released, The Expendibles comes out next weekend, The Boxer and the Kid is filming and he has stated on more than one occasion he's done with wrestling as well. He just got done saying the Stone Cold character does not work in a PG atmosphere and he couldn't perform how he's used to performing in that atmosphere. He's concentrating on becoming a fulltime movie star and you can't do that if you're still playing around in pro wrestling.

Austin and Rock aren't Flair and Hogan, they had their success, they saved their money and they found ways to be happy and successful outside of pro wrestling. You won't see them popping back in everytime business is bad. If they haven't come back in the last five years or so their not coming back period. Business has been down, its been bad, if there was anyway Vince could have gotten these guys back onto television he would have done it long before now.

[Linsolv]

Ha, people out there still believe Bryan Danielson's firing was a work. Even though they've not brought his name up a single time, mentioned his firing a single time, and he's apparently in talks of signing a WRITTEN contract with the Florida start up group. Danielson is going to show up in an episode of Superstars in five years losing to Eli Cottonwood in a squash and the conspiracy theorists are going to say "HA I TOLD YOU IT WAS ALL A WORK HE'S BACK". Bryan got fired, it wasn't his fault per say but he got fired. He's gone and its highly unlikely he's coming back anytime soon. I know its fun to think that the internet wrestling God is a serious part of some major WWE storyline that arches several months but honestly if they can't put together clever, twisting, turning, long running storylines for their top draws such as Cena, HHH, Orton, etc what in the world makes you think they'd do it for Daneilson? The answer is they wouldn't. Bryan is gone and likely not coming back anytime soon. Acceptance is the first step.

I heard a rumor somewhere that was true, but rumors don't mean anything. I can start a rumor right now:

According to an inside source, Vincent McMahon was caught in an indiscreet situation on Sunday with a member of his male staff. The source could not at this time comment on the identity of the worker, but to quote, "you would recognize their name if I told you."

PS - I don't doubt at this point that it's not a work, but I generally believed it when the word was that they were waiting a few months and then hiring him back. So I'm still keeping my eye out.

[Stennick]

I agree its only a rumor but tons of things are referenced in here as "just rumor". Its my belief that if its reported in the Wrestling Observer it holds some credibility. It'd be different if I was saying I heard in the bathroom at a WWE show that so and so signed a contract. The most respected wrestling journalist in the world has atleast given some merit to the rumor so I think thats credible enough to mention.

As for keeping your eye out for this being a work. You can obviously do what you want but even you have to admit if this was a work and its all part of the story it would be one of the worst stories ever told.

The guy has never been mentioned by name and only reference ONE time two months ago next week. The rule is wrestling is that if you don't remind the fans nearly every week of something they will forget. WWE fans have the shortest attention spans in the world. It has been pointed out in here SEVERAL times how they constantly rewrite their own history and ignore rivalries and past stories on a whim.

They fired him on their website giving him one sentence on one page for what one day? Since that time there has been zero references, zero mentions, and zero foreshadowing that he's still around. For him to just show up after what would I assume be by that time ATLEAST three months and be plugged into their biggest story would make zero sense.

Would they really expect ANYONE to react in any way to this guy after three months of not seeing him? In fact even if they know who he was why would they care?

He lost every match he ever had on NXT, he essentially eliminated himself, he beat a play by play announcer, he said a bunch of stuff most of them didn't understand in a worked shoot. He then shows up on RAW and beats up John Cena before dissapearing. What part of that would make them the least bit interested that he showed back up?

I'm not saying they couldn't HAVE mad the fans care about him while he was gone but they haven't and honestly after three months its too late anyway, nobody cares. If they would have made references to him, mocked him, threatened other members of the group with getting "Daniel Bryaned". If they started getting beat up backstage by a mystery opponent etc. This would be foreshadowing that they had something bigger planned for him. However they didn't and they don't.

If this was a work (which its not) it would be the worst story told in a very long time. Heck you couldn't even call it a story since there would be a three plus month gap where this character isn't mentioned. foreshadowed, referenced in anyway.

Heck I'd say TNA has done more with their tie choking references and spots, along with Taz's "that'll get ya fired in other companies". TNA at this point could make a case for telling a better story with Daniel Bryan's firing than what the WWE has done. Atleast if DB shows up in TNA they have video of people being choked out with ties, Taz's comments. I'm not saying its great but he'd have more story with this firing going to TNA than he would coming back to the WWE.

[Linsolv]

Clearing up:

No, it's not a work.

The main reason I complained was not the actual rumor, but that it was a rumor inside a rumor. What I heard was something like "There's a new promotion coming up soon, and they're trying to get talks with Bryan Danielson." In short, we heard there's probably a new promotion coming up, and they wish they had Danielson but there's really no proof he's even considering it.

[The Shape]

Miz is going to turn, no other eventuality is at all possible, he is the leader of Nexus and Cole is his accomplice, now I understand the DB legitimacy but you cannot tell me that doesn't set the stage perfectly for his return :o

[Linsolv]

Basically, the reasoning behind his leaving if the iwc is to be believed is that a sponsor threatened to pull their money. If you're sitting there constantly mentioning him, that's going to still piss them off.

But if you fire him, quietly tell him you'll get him back in a few months, and lie low about it, sure. I've heard that what he has done since is basically one (or two or three. Don't try to play the technicality card.) night stands all across indie America, and at least early on made a lot of comments about the WWE in his promos at those appearances.

I don't see any reason to assume he's not going to be coming back.

[Stennick]

He's not coming back because nobody cares. If the plan was for him to come back all along then as I said before shouldn't they be dropping hints to it? Its not like they "fired" Cena. Its not like the fans are going to remember "oh yeah four months ago he beat up Michael Cole one week and was part of Nexus".

I like DB a lot but if anybody thinks he's going to ride in on some white horse and just save the day and be a huge babyface part of this Nexus angle its just silly. As I said before if this was all part of their storyline even if he was fired.

Even if he was fired and they said "we'll bring you back in a few months" and the writers full intend on revealing Miz and Cole behind this. My question is why wouldn't they drop hints? What earthly good would it do them to quietly fire him on a website, not mention him a single time for three or four months and then bring him back after he spent all of two nights on RAW in his entire life anyway.

The guy has already been forgotten. From a storyline perspective you have Triple H that has been on the sidelines during this ENTIRE Nexus invasion deal. And you have Daniel Bryan. If you turn Miz and make him the leader of Nexus you're basically pushing him into the main event which is where he needs to be anyway. So you're going to feud the Miz who by the way is pretty much the hottest heel they have.

Are you really going to take a guy that you're pushing into the main event and feud him with Daniel Bryan? The Daniel Bryan feud thing worked six months ago but since then Miz has upped his game and has gotten a bigger and bigger push each week. The guy might wind up being revealed as the master mind pushing him to the main event (otherwise what is the point at all). If you're not going to push the leader of Nexus as a main eventer then whats the point and why not just have Wade Barrett lead them? The point is to give someone that isn't quite a main eventer that last bit of momentum. Whoever it is has a built in feud with John Cena.

Hell if I were them I'd have Miz BEAT Cena for the title. Then run through Orton and whoever else. Just when Miz is bragging the most about beating everyone of their "heros" BAM Triple H returns, wins the rumble and at Wrestlemania you get Miz vs. Triple H.

Daniel Bryan seems like a calm, laid back, nice guy that doesn't take himself too seriously. He's not going to run Vince's name through the mud the guys not stupid. Very few people actually say anything negative about the WWE. Christian left, went to TNA and I never once heard him say anything negative about Vince.

My point is the guy's not going to burn his bridge and his 90 days aren't up so he can't do much more than small indy shows anyway. For Daniel Bryan to come back and feud with The Miz would tear down all the work they have done making The Miz a nearly main eventer. The guy should be fueding with Cena and Orton not Daniel Bryan.

I think sometimes people over inflate just how much Daniel Bryan mattered in the scheme of things. The guy had basically two weeks of interest during the Michael Cole thing. He then shows up at the end of the show, nobody even noticed him choking Cena and since the WWE fired him for that I seriously doubt their going to show REPLAYS of it that'd be kinda stupid. The guy had two weeks where he was an interesting character in the WWE and that was nearing three months ago

I like Daniel Bryan but I seriously doubt he's coming back. He'll go to the Sean Davis project or he'll wind up in TNA. Heck you know TNA can't WAIT to bring him in now that he's got a bit of WWE controversy and who knows maybe they can atleast get DB to joke about it or what not. I'd say 50 percent chance he winds up in TNA, 25 percent chance he returns to the WWE before the end of the year and a 25 percent chance this Sean Davis project signs him up.

[Astil]

I use my girlfriend as the "common fan" barometer.

She knows DB as the "short badass in the red underwear". She'd recognize, and root for, him if he returned.

One person, but again I use her as my barometer.

[Stennick]

Thats fair but maybe your g/f knows about him because you pointed him out to her when he debuted? Maybe you guys have had conversations about him?

I'm not saying nobody would know who he is I think what I'm trying to say is if they do push Miz as the leader of Nexus thats a main event role.

Why bring back Daniel Bryan who at best is a lower mid carder to feud with a main eventer when he's got feuds with Cena, Orton and Triple H to be had?

[Linsolv]

I think I explained my position fairly enough.

The point I was making is that he can't do TV, but he could go to Chikara two months in a row and have a quick feud, or whatever promotion you'd prefer. But he hasn't.

EDIT: I should explain. I can't justify why you WOULD use him in a feud, but I believe I justified not hinting at him on the show. Sponsors/marketing departments are not stupid. If the viewer notices, sponsors do.

[Self]

Thats fair but maybe your g/f knows about him because you pointed him out to her when he debuted? Maybe you guys have had conversations about him?

I'm not saying nobody would know who he is I think what I'm trying to say is if they do push Miz as the leader of Nexus thats a main event role.

Why bring back Daniel Bryan who at best is a lower mid carder to feud with a main eventer when he's got feuds with Cena, Orton and Triple H to be had?

I expect they'll bring Daniel Bryan back at some point, but I agree with you that I wouldn't throw him into such a high-profile role right now. Miz is on the cusp of being a top guy, so should be interacting with top guys. There are other options for WWE's 7th.

The story I heard (and the one I choose to believe) is that he was an unfortunate casualty of circumstance, and after 90 days they'll bring him back. I expect in some smaller capacity further down the line. Maybe something on Smackdown. Maybe he'll turn up as a contestant on NXT season 3.

That being said, I'd pop huge for Bryan showing up at Summerslam.

[Astil]

Thats fair but maybe your g/f knows about him because you pointed him out to her when he debuted? Maybe you guys have had conversations about him?

I'm not saying nobody would know who he is I think what I'm trying to say is if they do push Miz as the leader of Nexus thats a main event role.

Why bring back Daniel Bryan who at best is a lower mid carder to feud with a main eventer when he's got feuds with Cena, Orton and Triple H to be had?

Nah, but she did like him after that first BD-Jericho match on NXT. There are plenty who I rant and rave about who "put her to sleep". (Sheamus, Orton) She's a legit fan, with her own ideas.

While that is a good point about miz needing to face the current main event there is something to be said about two guys feuding each other to the Main Event.

[Stennick]

I don't think sponsers care at all about Daniel Bryan. They care about the content that happened. Its not like they have said "you can't mention Daniel Bryan". He was fired my understand as more of a precautionary measure.

I think my idea of Wade Barrett or whoever the number two guy in the promotion is. They could be backstage making jokes at his expensive. Are you going all Daniel Bryan on me? We weed out the week ask Daniel Bryan?

Or they could be doing an angle where people are being mysteriously attacked and all the WWE superstars keep saying how they wish they could take credit but it wasn't them.

Instead they have done nothing with it so I think from a story perspective him coming back to be involved on the same level as Cena, Orton, Jericho and Edge is silly and would do nothing to help anyone.

Obviously nobody knows what happened but a few select people. I heard it was the choking out the ring announcer. Other people said Vince McMahon HATES people being spit on and thats why. Somebody else said John Cena complained and thats what led to the downfall. (I know Cena put something on the internet about not liking it but he's got enough problems with his fan base he can't just come out and admit he got the guy fired). I don't know whats true and whats false. I heard it had to do with Linda's campaign, I heard it had to do with sponsors.

I think the biggest thing with this Daniel Bryan "era" was just how for lack of a better term delusional people were when it came to how big of a deal he would be in the WWE. First he was going to win NXT hands down, then he started losing every match and people said "well he's going to go all the way to the bottom and then go on a massive winning streak winning". Well then he was eliminated so people said he was going to help Bret Hart with the Miz and become the U.S Champion. Well that didn't happen and so people got excited about him feuding with Michael Cole....think about that sentence for a moment. Well that lasted two weeks and people started to point out how this looks kind of bad on Daniel. So then of course they figured The Miz and him would feud as The Miz would stick up for Cole or something of that nature. Then he joined Nexus and obviously none of those plans were very accurate since I doubt they were going to turn Miz face just so he could feud with a now heel Daniel Bryan. Then he was fired and that was a work. It seems like people have a tough time admitting that he wasn't ever that big of a deal in the WWE and he most likely never had any grand story planned for him outside of Nexus. Heck some people were talking like he was the number 2 guy in Nexus when all he ever did was attack the same people at the same time as the rest of the group.

I like Daniel and I think he's a fantastic wrestler and if I had billions of dollars I'd hire the guy. I just think either A. They never had anything all that special planned for the guy or B. They did a horrible job of showing it and now if he were to be brought back in the way people speculate it wouldn't make much sense and would be a waste of a lot of guys in this story.

Maybe he'll come back and win the championship at Summerslam, or maybe he joins TNA in roughly 30 days. Or maybe this Sean Davis project offers him a boatload of cash. Or maybe just maybe if ROH lose Black and possibly Strong (dark match with TNA who knows) they'll start to get worried about losing too many top guys at once and bring him back for Richards vs. Danielson at the end of the year or something.
I hope he comes back on Smackdown and they pull a WWE and just forget he had a previous gimmick ever had existed.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Just throwing it out there, he doesn't need to come back as the leader, or the WWE 7th.

He could come back and they show the highlight vid, of him decimating Cena. That makes him look legit. He could be used as reinforcements for the Nexus to continue the feud if WWE wins at SS(Or if its a no contest).

[Linsolv]

I think the biggest thing with this Daniel Bryan "era" was just how for lack of a better term delusional people were when it came to how big of a deal he would be in the WWE. First he was going to win NXT hands down, then he started losing every match and people said "well he's going to go all the way to the bottom and then go on a massive winning streak winning". Well then he was eliminated so people said he was going to help Bret Hart with the Miz and become the U.S Champion. Well that didn't happen and so people got excited about him feuding with Michael Cole....think about that sentence for a moment. Well that lasted two weeks and people started to point out how this looks kind of bad on Daniel. So then of course they figured The Miz and him would feud as The Miz would stick up for Cole or something of that nature. Then he joined Nexus and obviously none of those plans were very accurate since I doubt they were going to turn Miz face just so he could feud with a now heel Daniel Bryan. Then he was fired and that was a work. It seems like people have a tough time admitting that he wasn't ever that big of a deal in the WWE and he most likely never had any grand story planned for him outside of Nexus. Heck some people were talking like he was the number 2 guy in Nexus when all he ever did was attack the same people at the same time as the rest of the group.

Firstly, we're not inside of the boardrooms in the WWE. We have to guess based on the rumor mill, our interpretations, how the pushes worked, etc.

Bryan Danielson got, on his first national TV appearance, a match against one of the top title holders in the entire company. To say that he would be important is not a leap. They kept him strong through his losses until he get kicked out of NXT. Surprise surprise, it seemed they were pulling the trigger on a Miz push and they needed the US title off him if that were the case. Logical conclusion? Bryan. He got the most mic time of any rookie on NXT. He consistently came in 1st on the pro votes. What were we supposed to think, again?

Unlike TEW, real life has a lot of randomness and things outside of the realm of the ring and the people's reaction to what happens in the ring. You're sitting here trying to pontificate on the subject of why Bryan's not coming back because nobody cares, and the only reason we're thinking this is because we're stupid? I have to take note.

[Stennick]

I never once said anyone was stupid or anything was stupid. I said "thats just silly" because in my opinion it IS silly to think that Daniel Bryan is "obviously" going to come back at some point.

My point was there have been ten "obviously" when pertaining to Bryan Danielson.

1. He was "obviously" going to win NXT
2. He was going on a losing streak because he was "obviously" going to battle back to win it the last possible week.
3. He was "obviously" going to win but he "obviously" got eliminated so he could "obviously" win the title from Miz that coming Monday night.
4. He was "obviously" going to be engaged in a big time worked/shoot with Michael Cole and the Miz i
5. He was "obviously" the number two guy in Nexus

I'm not saying YOU said these things, I'm not even saying most of the people on here said them. However they were said and if I was motivated I could link to lenghty discussions on each one.

My point wasn't that anyone was stupid for thinking any of those things or even that they shouldn't think those things.

My point was simple nobody ever slowed down and said "well maybe their not going to do much with the guy". That was NEVER talked about. The entire time he was employed people jumped from one major event storyline to the next.

I can't remember where I've seen it but there is a movie where a guy is guessing something. He continuously shouts out answer after answer guessing this thing only to be more wrong than the last time.

Thats what it felt like with the IWC and Daniel Bryan. Never did anyone say "well maybe he'll wind up being a bit player on Smackdown carving out a nice niche for himself in matches with Hornsewaggle" or whatever. No everything had to be this major, long arching, twisting, turning stories. Ignoring the fact that the WWE for years has been a "what you see is what you get" kind of promotion. When was the last time they were subtle about anything? They nearly hit you over the head with the Randy Orton face turn.

I don't think this guy had the most "mic" time out of anyone. Otunga, Tarver, Barrett all talked a lot as well. He did have his own mini storyline but the storyline revolved around him LOSING. Name me the last time a storyline about a guy losing every match he wrestles in led to anything interesting? MVP? No, Disco Inferno back in WCW (I think they did this gimmick), no. Its a nice story if you go all the way with it but I haven't see a "he loses all the time" storyline be worth anything in 20 years.

Again though I didn't call you stupid, I didn't even use the word stupid. I said SILLY because it is silly that after all this time people believe either its a work or that he's "obviously" coming back. Still after all this time people can't say "well maybe it was legit and maybe he won't be coming back". I'm not saying thats the way it is, like I said nobody knows. I'm saying very few people have accepted that the chances are just as high if not higher than he's not coming back than they are that he is.

I seriously hope your job in real life has nothing to do with taking notes since you are apparently horrible at it. Taking note of the word "stupid" when nobody came CLOSE to using that word. Silly and stupid are worlds apart in everyone's universe but yours apparently.

[Linsolv]

I'm sorry. I see your point somewhat. To me, personally, it sounded like you were talking down to us because we believed that Bryan was getting (x) or (y) push. But once I look past that percieved (and not necessarily correct) tone, you have a point that I'm not absolutely sure is correct, but is certainly defensible.

[Stennick]

No problem lets agree to disagree :D

I wasn't talking down to anyone and I didn't want it to sound that way. I was just stating in general how maybe everyone can look at it as if Daniel Bryan isn't coming back and he wasn't ever a big part of their plans. Sure it sucks to say that and maybe I'm not right and they had big plans for the guy.

That being said I've hear almost nobody say what I'm saying when at the very least its as credible as the other ideas people had for his plans.

[Linsolv]

So. This new promotion. Any word on if they're expecting a TV deal?

[Tha Black Phenom]

He's not coming back because nobody cares. If the plan was for him to come back all along then as I said before shouldn't they be dropping hints to it? Its not like they "fired" Cena. Its not like the fans are going to remember "oh yeah four months ago he beat up Michael Cole one week and was part of Nexus".

I like DB a lot but if anybody thinks he's going to ride in on some white horse and just save the day and be a huge babyface part of this Nexus angle its just silly. As I said before if this was all part of their storyline even if he was fired.

Even if he was fired and they said "we'll bring you back in a few months" and the writers full intend on revealing Miz and Cole behind this. My question is why wouldn't they drop hints? What earthly good would it do them to quietly fire him on a website, not mention him a single time for three or four months and then bring him back after he spent all of two nights on RAW in his entire life anyway.

Simple, because the target to that attempt would be the IWC. Drop a few hints and they've basically given it away.

I'm not saying there's a high possibility he'll come back, but it just as makes sense if they haven't been dropping hints. If they brought him back, they wouldn't necessarily have him ride out on a white horse like you say, there's many other ways to do it. They can do it ala Matt Hardy, rambunctious attacking in the crowd making people guessing, sort of a reveal without the complete reveal. They can just bring him out and just... well, advertise what's going on. I mean hell, they did it with Bret Hart/Montreal Screwjob and... did it pay off? Doesn't look like it did stupendously, but they showed they can pull off the effort of milking something with enough attention to it, even if it goes as back as 12 years ago. And before you say anything, I'm not comparing the situations themselves. I know the screwjob is infinitely bigger than what we have here but I'm just talking about how WWE can take something and attempt to make people care about it.

Without putting Daniel Bryan too much on a pedestal, I don't think his overness should be labeled as him "spending at most two nights on Raw", because he's been the focus of NXT for a short while, and even on his incredible losing streak they found ways to keep him in the spotlight somehow. If Justin Gabriel or Heath Slater had gotten fired instead, I'd totally agree with this, but I solemnly believe there is to invest within DB.

That's not to say I expect him to return though.

Are you really going to take a guy that you're pushing into the main event and feud him with Daniel Bryan? The Daniel Bryan feud thing worked six months ago but since then Miz has upped his game and has gotten a bigger and bigger push each week. The guy might wind up being revealed as the master mind pushing him to the main event (otherwise what is the point at all). If you're not going to push the leader of Nexus as a main eventer then whats the point and why not just have Wade Barrett lead them? The point is to give someone that isn't quite a main eventer that last bit of momentum. Whoever it is has a built in feud with John Cena.

The feud doesn't have to be solely between them to begin with, Miz can still ruffle feathers with the champ in the meantime. Could have DB prevent him from cashing in, even as far as fighting for it and [obviously] losing. Hypothetically, if the two were to feud, with enough airtime and effort it could elevate them both at once. Nothing suggests this would "keep Miz down", just becuase he's facing off Bryan. I still believe in the hot midcard feud WWE can invest in SO much that it keeps neither man down and both of them come out looking like winners afterwards.

I realize I can be speaking in fairy tale language but nothing completely prevents this to my recollection, and I just heavily doubt it would tear down anything done with the Miz. It could halt Miz's momentum, sure, but it's not like he couldn't pick up and go off from that, which assumedly he would anyway. Guaranteed MITB holder. After what I've seen with Jack Swagger's acension to the World title, IMO, Miz is fair game to anything.

[MasterJ]

Bryans not coming back it was not a shoot he might be back soon but I dont care

[ampulator]

You guys forget something. A Bryan Danielson vs. the Miz would be.... AWESOME, and it doesn't matter who wins. The Miz is popular enough to keep the match relevant, has enough in-ring skill to not look like a dunderhead in the ring like most of the WWE's chosen, while Bryan Danielson has the skills to make a good to great match.

If Miz loses, it wouldn't hurt him, because you can SEE Bryan Danielson beating him. On the other hand, if Bryan Danielson loses, it wouldn't hurt him either, because it would give the rub as a being a legitimate threat.

Everyone comes out winning. Fans, WWE, and the workers involved. It's a good match-up.

[Stennick]

I disagree if The Miz lost to Daniel Bryan after being on the cusp of the Main Event and losing to a guy that lost every match but one he ever competed in. I think that would hurt The Miz BADLY.

Six months ago The Miz was more of a joke now he's on the cusp of feuding with Triple H, Cena and Orton I think it would hurt him a lot to lose to a guy like Daniel Bryan.

The match would be good but we could say that for hundreds of match ups in the WWE if given the right context.

[Linsolv]

I disagree if The Miz lost to Daniel Bryan after being on the cusp of the Main Event and losing to a guy that lost every match but one he ever competed in. I think that would hurt The Miz BADLY.

Six months ago The Miz was more of a joke now he's on the cusp of feuding with Triple H, Cena and Orton I think it would hurt him a lot to lose to a guy like Daniel Bryan.

The match would be good but we could say that for hundreds of match ups in the WWE if given the right context.

6 months ago, there were some people who still turned the TV off when the Miz was on it, so they didn't notice that he was far from a joke.

Secondly, you wouldn't have just a little one-off program with nothing to it. You'd have Daniel Bryan come along and KICK SOME HEADS IN. If you wanted him to feud straight off the bat with someone who, like you said, is just short of Cena and Trips, you have him start off by powering through Morrison or R Truth or whatever the midcard picture is looking like on RAW right now. (Secretly... I haven't watched in like, 2 months.)

[ampulator]

I disagree if The Miz lost to Daniel Bryan after being on the cusp of the Main Event and losing to a guy that lost every match but one he ever competed in. I think that would hurt The Miz BADLY.

Six months ago The Miz was more of a joke now he's on the cusp of feuding with Triple H, Cena and Orton I think it would hurt him a lot to lose to a guy like Daniel Bryan.

The match would be good but we could say that for hundreds of match ups in the WWE if given the right context.
We will have to disagree then, because such a match would elevate both workers. You are underestimating the Miz if you think he can't recover from this, because you are wrong that he was a joke 6 months ago... he was a joke YEARS ago. In fact, he sucked when he started.

If he could survive his terrible start, he will not ONLY save a loss against Bryan Danielson, he will come out BETTER, probably even better than Bryan Danielson.

He lost to R-Truth. That didn't hurt him much. He can do the same thing against Bryan Danielson.

Besides, A Cena/Miz matchup would probably suck in the ring, as would a Sheamus/Miz matchup. The only matchups that are any good is Miz/HHH or Miz/Orton matchups. Both of them seem to able to either mesh well against Miz's character.

[Stennick]

Well if this was ROH I would be concerned about in ring but its the WWE.

If you do like Linslov says and bring him in and have him run several programs with other people before getting to Miz sure but really aside from a few weeks of television why put the effort into Daniel Bryan. Why not John Morrison? He's got the look, he's good in the ring and he's about the same on the mic as Daniel Bryan and he's been there seven years longer.

There is no doubt that you could bring DB back and push him towards a main event with Miz. We've seen it with Jack Swagger, we've seen it with Kurt Angle. Sheamous, etc sometimes you bring the guy in and it works out.

However more often than not it takes years (like it has for Miz) to achieve where their at.

My personal style of booking is to very very rarely just hot shot somebody to the main event. Heck why not give it to Evan Bourne? He's just as talented, he's the same size and he's been there longer plus he's associated with John Cena these days.

Obviously anybody can make a case for anybody getting to the main event I'm just saying the Miz thing is done and gone. The story between them two was six months ago and before Daniel left it was looking like that story was scrapped with Daniel going heel and I seriously doubt they were turning the Miz face.

I'd like to see him come back and wrestle Kaval every week on Smackdown, that to me would be entertaining than trying to hash up something that will be six months old by the time they get around to it.

I'm just repeating the same stuff so I guess I'm done talking about it since this isn't a right or wrong thing and just what everyone would prefer to see happen. That being said I'm sure the guy is going to land on his feet and get a payday somewhere.

[MrOnu]

Obviously anybody can make a case for anybody getting to the main event

Sssh ! Don't spoil my plan of making a world champion out of Zach Ryder. Woo, woo, woo, you know it ! :D

[Stennick]

I would support that :)

[bigphesta]

My Summer Slam Prediction....

Someone on the WWE7 is going to either leave the match or decide at the last minute to not show up. Something that's going to make the crowd think they're a player short. THen to take his place will be the "man", the legend, the son-in-law of the next senator from Connecticut, Triple H. But, HHH will turn and give some reason that "he knows how to lead a group" and be the new leader of Nexus.

After all, HHH is on the cover of this month's WWE Mag with the caption of him being 'back'. And triple H leading the Nexus will give it the cred it needs because the one dude who runs it (see, I watch every week and still don't care to know his name) is pretty friggin lame.

[MasterJ]

WWE already is down one man Khali

[Linsolv]

After all, HHH is on the cover of this month's WWE Mag with the caption of him being 'back'. And triple H leading the Nexus will give it the cred it needs because the one dude who runs it (see, I watch every week and still don't care to know his name) is pretty friggin lame.

... Trips is cooler than Wade Barrett? Did he start wearing cellotape glasses and plaid pants pulled up around his pants or something in the last few months?

[Jaysin]

I have a feeling this match is going to play out like Bash at the Beach 96. 7 vs 6 and then when Team WWE is getting the crap kicked out of them, someone from the back will come out to "rescue" WWE and then hit their finisher on members of Team WWE.

[Eisen-verse]

My Summer Slam Prediction....

Someone on the WWE7 is going to either leave the match or decide at the last minute to not show up. Something that's going to make the crowd think they're a player short. THen to take his place will be the "man", the legend, the son-in-law of the next senator from Connecticut, Triple H. But, HHH will turn and give some reason that "he knows how to lead a group" and be the new leader of Nexus.

After all, HHH is on the cover of this month's WWE Mag with the caption of him being 'back'. And triple H leading the Nexus will give it the cred it needs because the one dude who runs it (see, I watch every week and still don't care to know his name) is pretty friggin lame.

Really? I actually quite like Wade Barrett. Honestly, I would rather that the WWE not add someone else to be the 'leader of NeXus'. Why? I think it suits Barrett pretty well (both in storyline and in his ability). They are easily creating a new superstar by having him be the, far and away, leader of the group. In a way, I wouldn't mind seeing Barrett flexing his power even more within the group; however, that would limit the growth of the rest of the team. Either way, I really hope they stick with Barrett as the unrivaled leader of the group. It creates an aura for the guy (which is pretty powerful seeing how he's a newbie to the WWE and still carries a good feel straight away).

As for the whole 'turning' thing. I don't know if it's really going to happen to be honest. Why? The WWE doesn't really do stuff like this much anymore. The days of turning someone face or heel simply for more storylines are done and gone. I mean, look at Orton's turn as an example. It was less about them wanting to change things up and more about them no longer being able to ignore the fans cheering for him.

With that said, of those who've been listed as potential 'turners'... These are my thoughts on the matter:

1) Bret Hart: Some seem to think that Bret is going to turn on the WWE in which to 'stick it to McMahon'. While I wouldn't put it past the WWE to do something as stupid as that, I just don't see it happening. The reason it's so powerful that he's back is because he was pretty much 'left for dead' after a henious assault by nexus on a previous RAW. I mean, they slammed a car into his limo and simulated a destructive car crash in which to 'mow him over'. Now, he will be their leader? I don't see it.

2) John Cena: Call me crazy but I don't EVER see Cena turning. Why would they? Sure, he gets mixed reactions all the time but he IS the face of the company. He does interviews outside of company programming, and a new movie coming out where he plays a man looking to redeem himself, so, why would they turn him now? Cena will be like a Hogan figure. He'll be a babyface forever and will only turn if, for some reason, his act has become so stale that he can no longer generate interest outside of the Wrestling industry.

3) Edge or Jericho: Realistically, this is the most possibly scenario but I don't see it happening. Sure, they may seem a little rigid while working with the babyfaces within the team; however, their 'turn around and fight' thing on RAW was a symbol that they are pro-WWE. Well, at least Pro-getting back at nexus. Their hatred for the group (nexus) will keep them in-line; at least until after the bell is rung.


I have a feeling this match is going to play out like Bash at the Beach 96. 7 vs 6 and then when Team WWE is getting the crap kicked out of them, someone from the back will come out to "rescue" WWE and then hit their finisher on members of Team WWE.

While not original, I wouldn't mind seeing this outcome. That said, I'd like to see a youngster be the one who pulls the 'Hogan' moment; maybe the Miz?

[MichiganHero]

My prediction for the match, a Nexus win due to JoMo turning. I base this purely on his beard he grew, you know someone in the WWE is turning heel becuase they grow a beard.

[Basmat01]

Nexus is only around to get Wade over. He is clearly the only one that is going to stick around after this is all over and done

[The Shape]

The Miz is going to turn, it is there for all to see.

[TheEffect]

Nexus is only around to get Wade over. He is clearly the only one that is going to stick around after this is all over and done

That is a good point.

[|Anderz|]

Nexus is only around to get Wade over. He is clearly the only one that is going to stick around after this is all over and done

While this is true on the surface, ive got to believe at least Justin Gabriel will stay around as well.. he has a distinct selling point in his 450 finisher and hits it all the time..

[Comradebot]

Nexus is only around to get Wade over. He is clearly the only one that is going to stick around after this is all over and done

I... wouldn't say that.

Will all of them stick around longterm when Nexus has finally run it's course? Hell no. For starters, Bryan Danielson (had he not been fired) would've likely stuck around.

Tarver, Slater, Young... can't say I care for any of them in any way at all and I wouldn't be shocked that the day all things Nexus ceases to be they vanish off TV (until TNA picks them up, realizes why the WWE let them go, and they all vanish again). Still, love to see them prove me wrong!

Sheffield is only a step above them, but he has a good look and that'll be enough for the WWE to gamble on him at least briefly.

Otunga blows, but his "celebrity" status will probably keep him around longer than he deserves.

And Justin Gabriel is the freakin' man. He'll probably never be a massive star in the WWE due to his lack of charisma (which isn't helped at all by his South African accent, which sounds more odd than anything), but he's a huge in-ring talent with oodles of athleticism. He can pull a good match out of most folks, and that'll make him a valuable asset to any company down the line. No reason WWE doesn't take advantage of it. Oh, and he got to pin Cena in the handicap match. And there's not a wrestling fan alive who can honestly say his 450 splash isn't impressive without lying. Go ahead and say it: you'll just prove to the world you're a liar.


Yes, Nexus is a device primarily to get Wade Barrett over and it's succeeded brilliantly so far (probably the best thing WWE has done in almost a decade). That said, the other guys ARE getting air time and have managed to stick around in the WWE this time as part of a major storyline. Right now, it's all about Barrett. Maybe in several months after Barrett reaches the top he causes a schism in the group and one of the other guys gets to feud with him.

[Linsolv]

I don't like flippy moves very much. Therefor, I do not enjoy and am not especially impressed by Justin Gabriel (or Jason Bourne) doing a 540 flip. Can't they learn to do a nice Shining Wizard, or Kimura?

[MattitudeV2]

I don't like flippy moves very much. Therefor, I do not enjoy and am not especially impressed by Justin Gabriel (or Jason Bourne) doing a 540 flip. Can't they learn to do a nice Shining Wizard, or Kimura?

You mean Evan, right!

[Linsolv]

Well. Okay.

I meant Evan, but I actually WOULD be impressed if I saw Matt Damon do a 450 without wires.

[Self]

Jason Bourne would kick Evan Bourne's ass any day of the week.

Never saw the appeal of the Shining Wizard. I don't think I've seen one that hasn't looked weak. A 450 on the other hand... sure the flip is largely ornamental, but it still ends with you being crushed by a full grown man.

[juggaloninjalee]

450 = AWESOME! However I am not big into the "flippy" stuff either.

Wade Barrett = greatness!

[evileddie10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xFI-OZVo4

Before watching that video I think the Miz needs to turn face...and the next wwe champion!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8fOu2akOHY&feature=related

watching the miz "sing" lady gaga lyrics may be the best thing I've seen today, maybe even ever!

[ChrisKid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xFI-OZVo4

Before watching that video I think the Miz needs to turn face...and the next wwe champion!

HE NEEDS TO TURN NOW!

[TracyBrooksFan]

Seems Kelly’s Blondetourage partner Tiffany has been suspended by WWE. This would explain her not being on Superstars this week with Kelly as she was slated to be. Will there still be a match at Summerslam between the Blondes and Laycool? Hm. It wasnt completely confirmed yet so we will have to wait and see

WWE Diva Tiffany (Taryn Terrell) was suspended by World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week after an incident in San Jose, California at the hotel WWE had booked talents into, according to numerous sources within the company.

The incident, which WWE sources claim was a domestic issue between Terrell and husband Drew McIntryre, led to police being called to the scene. We have conflicting reports over whether Terrell was arrested by the San Jose PD. PWInsider.com is awaiting a return call from the San Jose Police Department’s Public Affairs office.

Terrell, who was scheduled to wrestle this Sunday at the Summerslam PPV, was sent home by WWE
management after the incident, according to two separate sources.

WWE has not publicly acknowledged the suspension or any potential change to the PPV as I write this.

[ChrisKid]

Seems Kelly’s Blondetourage partner Tiffany has been suspended by WWE. This would explain her not being on Superstars this week with Kelly as she was slated to be. Will there still be a match at Summerslam between the Blondes and Laycool? Hm. It wasnt completely confirmed yet so we will have to wait and see

WWE Diva Tiffany (Taryn Terrell) was suspended by World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week after an incident in San Jose, California at the hotel WWE had booked talents into, according to numerous sources within the company.

The incident, which WWE sources claim was a domestic issue between Terrell and husband Drew McIntryre, led to police being called to the scene. We have conflicting reports over whether Terrell was arrested by the San Jose PD. PWInsider.com is awaiting a return call from the San Jose Police Department’s Public Affairs office.

Terrell, who was scheduled to wrestle this Sunday at the Summerslam PPV, was sent home by WWE
management after the incident, according to two separate sources.

WWE has not publicly acknowledged the suspension or any potential change to the PPV as I write this.

Wonder why Drew wasn't suspended aswell :confused:

[lazorbeak]

Wonder why Drew wasn't suspended aswell :confused:

Probably called in a favor from Mr. McMahon. :D

[Genadi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xFI-OZVo4

Before watching that video I think the Miz needs to turn face...and the next wwe champion!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8fOu2akOHY&feature=related

watching the miz "sing" lady gaga lyrics may be the best thing I've seen today, maybe even ever!

Dolph was brilliant there :D

[|Anderz|]

just watched Raw.. and it might just be me.. but are the crowd reactions getting louder by the week.. in particular during the Nexus vs WWE angle, but in general as well.. the crowd just seems much louder than it has been recently..

im not talking 1999 levels of loud..

it might just be the way the WWE are filming Raw now.. but the crowd seems louder and more 'into it'.. its probably the way its being presented more than the fans getting noticably louder.. but little things like the hard camera shaking from the crowd reaction..

it just seemed different to me this week than it has in recent weeks..

[Candyman]

Wonder why Drew wasn't suspended aswell :confused:

Why would he be??? There was no reports of him doing anything wrong, let alone getting arrested.

[SaySo]

John Cena Tweet

"CeNation. Staples center is somber, quiet. Calm before storm. I feel nervous, on edge. I want to thank everyone out there who has supported me over the years, as I feel this is one of the most important days in my career. In closing, I will say that if you do not watch summerslam Tonight, u will be missing an epic day in wwe history."

[Slagaholic]

"CeNation" gives me DouChills

[Slagaholic]

The Miz rules.

[b0shey]

-- Bryan Danielson cancelled his appearance for NYWC in New York last night. He cited a family conflict but said he would be at the August 28 show. Danielson has no bookings on a Monday night listed on his website. He also is not booked on Night of Champions night.

A WWE return perphaps :p

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Why wasn't Rey just counted out? He was at a count of 8 and never entered the ring at all.

[20LEgend]

Imagine a count out after the match finishes of:
No Contest
CM Pumk walking out
and a DQ
if the was a count out onto that i would be disappointed.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Imagine a count out after the match finishes of:
No Contest
CM Pumk walking out
and a DQ
if the was a count out onto that i would be disappointed.

Yeah but just saying that he should have been. He was at 8, stood on the ring apron for about 10 seconds then fell to the outside for another few seconds, before Kane went out. He should have been, even though it was probably accidental.

[Slagaholic]

Boy did they ever telegraph that.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Boy did they ever telegraph that.

It was painfully obvious. However what just happened afterwards wasn't. At least to me.

[Slagaholic]

I believe being up on the apron resets the count. I've never seen a guy get counted out on the apron before.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I believe being up on the apron resets the count. I've never seen a guy get counted out on the apron before.

Well usually when guys go to the apron and then climb the turnbuckle,(think HBK) the ref will start the count.

[Jaysin]

Might be a spoiler (http://www.wwe.com/shows/summerslam/exclusives/15381204)

Hahahahaha WWE really screwed this up

[TheEdgeOfReason]

hahaha

Wait 'til Stennick sees that.

[Slagaholic]

It was a spoiler.

[20LEgend]

I Knew it all along!:eek::D

[Jaysin]

WWE posting spoilers for their own show. Priceless

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Pretty much had to be. It was on wwe.com after all.

This should be good. Haven't looked forward to a match this much for storyline reasons for ages.

[Stennick]

Is he back? Well I'll be damned, I'm quite shocked. Did the crowd pop for it? Was there a huge reaction? My statement was that Danielson being gone didn't matter and that if he did come back he shouldn't be plugged into this storyline.

No matter what though congrats to Bryan, I truly do believe he was fired but let the "omg I knew it was a work" talk begin.

In another note I noticed The Undertaker was back? What was the pay off with that storyline? Kane put him in a coma or something and he came back to reveal it was Kane that did it? Whats CM Punk doing these days?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Is he back? Well I'll be damned, I'm quite shocked. Did the crowd pop for it? Was there a huge reaction? My statement was that Danielson being gone didn't matter and that if he did come back he shouldn't be plugged into this storyline.

No matter what though congrats to Bryan, I truly do believe he was fired but let the "omg I knew it was a work" talk begin.

In another note I noticed The Undertaker was back? What was the pay off with that storyline? Kane put him in a coma or something and he came back to reveal it was Kane that did it? Whats CM Punk doing these days?

Kane tombstoned him to hell.

Bryan just made Young tap. After what 3 minutes?:p

[TheEdgeOfReason]

That move Truth just did on Gabriel was awesome.

[Stennick]

Bryan got a tap out and a decent pop, not earth shattering but their reacting to him. Everything I said they have a chance to make Bryan Danielson into a star right here tonight if he becomes a big part of this. Glad to see Bryan Danielson in a Summer Slam main event though even if he's sharing it with 13 other guys its gotta be surreal to be in this situation for a guy like Bryan or anybody else our age who grew up watching these shows.

[Slagaholic]

Is he back? Well I'll be damned, I'm quite shocked. Did the crowd pop for it? Was there a huge reaction? My statement was that Danielson being gone didn't matter and that if he did come back he shouldn't be plugged into this storyline.
The crowd popped. And he's plugged into this storyline because his firing was explain as him being kicked out of Nexus. If he came back and the Nexus storyline was still going on, it'd make even less sense.

No matter what though congrats to Bryan, I truly do believe he was fired but let the "omg I knew it was a work" talk begin.
They never mentioned his being firing, it was definitely not a work.

In another note I noticed The Undertaker was back? What was the pay off with that storyline? Kane put him in a coma or something and he came back to reveal it was Kane that did it? Whats CM Punk doing these days?
Yeah that was the pay off now he and Kane are going to feud.

[Jaysin]

That move Truth just did on Gabriel was awesome.

Truth or Consequences is the name of the move

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Truth or Consequences is the name of the move

Don't remember him doing that before. It should really be his finisher.

[Jaysin]

He does it sparingly on Raw. He used to use it as his finisher in TNA though. That and the scissor kick

[Slagaholic]

Sheffield's finisher is the clothesline from hell?

[Stennick]

None the less good for Bryan. I enjoy the guy and I think it speaks volumes of him that he didn't go running Vince down all over the place. He owned it and he got back to work in a timely fashion. I think this is a big message to everybody that Vince lets go, do your time, say the right things and sometimes sooner, sometimes later but it always seems something will come up for your return.

[Jaysin]

What's with all the ****ing DQ's?!

Glad Bret didn't look too bad tonight.

[Slagaholic]

What's with all the ****ing DQ's?!

Glad Bret didn't look too bad tonight.
Dusty Rhodes is guest booking this show.

[sabataged]

None the less good for Bryan. I enjoy the guy and I think it speaks volumes of him that he didn't go running Vince down all over the place. He owned it and he got back to work in a timely fashion. I think this is a big message to everybody that Vince lets go, do your time, say the right things and sometimes sooner, sometimes later but it always seems something will come up for your return.


mark...lol

[TheEdgeOfReason]

None the less good for Bryan. I enjoy the guy and I think it speaks volumes of him that he didn't go running Vince down all over the place. He owned it and he got back to work in a timely fashion. I think this is a big message to everybody that Vince lets go, do your time, say the right things and sometimes sooner, sometimes later but it always seems something will come up for your return.

Well the rumour was that he was assured he would be brought back. It's alot easier to be quiet when you have that assurance.

[Slagaholic]

mark...lol
Do you even know what that word means?

[Stennick]

mark...lol

Ha Ha I hate you Sab :p

[sabataged]

Do you even know what that word means?

Joke between two people...stay away

[jwt13]

Cena heel turn coming

[Slagaholic]

Joke between two people...stay away
I'll involve myself wherever I damn well please. You're not my dad...are you?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

This has been interesting. Didn't expect that implosion after watching what had gone before.

[sabataged]

I'll involve myself wherever I damn well please. You're not my dad...are you?

quite possibly son

[Slagaholic]

Wow Heath Slater is selling his ass off

[TheEdgeOfReason]

That was a brilliant counter into the Crossface.

Miz with the interference. Looks like Nexus will scrape it then.

[The Final Countdown]

Joey Styles' tweet from about 30 minutes ago:

Daniel Bryan! Daniel Bryan! Daniel Bryan! I'm frantically taking off my tie!
:D

Glad to hear they brought him back, and put him right back into a high-profile situation.

[Slagaholic]

Not a fan of how the match devolved into a run-of-the-mill Super Cena main event.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Lame. The way that went down sucked. Super Cena to the rescue.

[Jaysin]

Did not like the finish at all. Cena pulling out his superman act? Ugh

[Slagaholic]

I'd prefer if Cena lost and then after the match got revenge. Fans still go home happy and Nexus isn't made to look like silly geese like they did in this match.

[Jaysin]

Not going to lie, Skip and Heath impressed me a lot in this match.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Not going to lie, Skip and Heath impressed me a lot in this match.

Yeah Skip did look good. It was great up until Super Cena. Alot of twists and turns.

[Stennick]

quite possibly son

Ha Ha

[Johnny Fenoli]

Might be a spoiler (http://www.wwe.com/shows/summerslam/exclusives/15381204)

Hahahahaha WWE really screwed this up

What was it?... it's down now.

[Slagaholic]

It gave away Daniel Bryan returning tonight word for word.

[Prophet]

Is it wrong that the thing I enjoyed most was watching Otunga get tagged in, being beaten, and sent home?

It wasn't a bad match, for the clu-fuffle of people involved. Little sad that Tarver was dispatched quickly, but have to agree that the Silverback and Slater looked good. Also in agreement about Super Cena. I was all right with it when he eliminated Gabriel (not happy, but all right) and to immediately take out Wade too? Personally, I would've ended it differently.

Little displeased by the Orton/Sheamus ending. In theory, I understand it, with it opening the door for next month, and Cena being "at the back of the line", so Orton gets a rematch, but the DQ ending just seemed off.

Also decided I need to find some way to mute Cole. I know people find Striker annoying, but my only problem with him is he's wishy-washy. When he's a heel commentator, he does it properly. He makes excuses, he finds loopholes to argue, and in the end, although you don't agree with it, you can sort of understand why he feels that way. I don't get that from Cole. If he had an excuse, a justification to have that muffled voice (`cause his lips are attached to Miz's butt!) I may feel different, but he just ... I dunno, irritates me. Where's Joey Styles, when I need him to slap somebody?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

What was it?... it's down now.

Imagine a show recap before it actually happened. That was it.

[MightyDavidson]

So now that Nexus is defeated, what happens to them?

Sure they weren't buried or anything but surely their momentum is hurt by this?

[Tha Black Phenom]

Haven't watched the PPV but if the Nexus lost, it's not gonna be about momentum, it's just gonna be about going different places. Some of them will go somewhere, others among them won't be so lucky. I see it as a new chapter.

Will wait for a replay stream to make surface tomorrow.

[Stennick]

So is this the end of the Nexus story? We came all this way with it for it to be snuffed out like this? No big win for them? No Title matches? Did they really win anything? I would hope this would go on a bit longer.

What else did they do with Daniel? Did he get any other eliminations? Who eliminated him and how?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I don't know what happens now. I don't think this is over yet. They only had one PPV match.

I would say they were pretty close to buried though. They only really had 2 legit eliminations. 2 were roll ups caused by dissention in team WWE. Hart eliminated himself. Miz took out Bryan. Jericho and Edge took out Cena pretty much and they still didn't win. Sheffield is the only guy to come out of the match with any credibility.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

So is this the end of the Nexus story? We came all this way with it for it to be snuffed out like this? No big win for them? No Title matches? Did they really win anything? I would hope this would go on a bit longer.

What else did they do with Daniel? Did he get any other eliminations? Who eliminated him and how?

He eliminated Slater with a Crossface. Miz came out and hit him with the MITB briefcase staright after. He got pinned then.

[Stennick]

So this was the historic night in the WWE? Ha Ha way to do your job Cena.

[Candyman]

At least we can FINALLY put the rest the rumors that Daniel Bryan's firing was in any way legitimate or real and not a complete work. I didn't love the PPV, but that was a good moment for those of us that saw through the facade that was his "release" the entire time.

[jwt13]

This a different subject but has any one else seen how much WWE's stock has dropped latley?

[MightyDavidson]

So Cena no-sold a DDT onto the concrete? :eek:

Isn't that extreme, even for his Superman act? I mean sure I like Cena and all but a DDT on the concrete really should put you out.

I mean, I can't remember Hogan doing something like that. I could be wrong of course but I've seen a lot of Hogan matches and I can't recall him no-selling a move that big.

[ZMAN]

It sucks that Nexus lost. On the other hand, 7 rookies being in the main event on Summer Slam is pretty big itself. I don't know where they go from here, hopefully Nexus doesn't drop down to the midcard status. Maybe the whole point of bringing in these 8 guys was to fill up the midcard ranks with some credible talent, after a short run in the main event? I wouldn't mind, especially when there's already a crowd of new blood trying to break into the permanent main eventer's bracket. Really, nothing that bad came out of the angle. They took 8 nobodies and molded them into passable midcarders in about 6 months. Put Gabriel against Bourne a few months back, and there's no way he would have won. But now, it actually seems pretty even since they both had their main event time.

[crownsy]

So is this the end of the Nexus story? We came all this way with it for it to be snuffed out like this? No big win for them? No Title matches? Did they really win anything? I would hope this would go on a bit longer.

What else did they do with Daniel? Did he get any other eliminations? Who eliminated him and how?

You got me WWE, I haven't marked out for real in a long time, but i did a little Fist pump when Daniel got announced. They made him look pretty legit to, and the attack by Miz slides him right into the U.S title hunt.

Also, why are people assuming the NExus is done now? They took a close loss to Supercena. They are a heel faction correct? why on earth would losing a match that actually was pretty even and set alot of thing in motion destroy the entire group?

We'll see how Raw takes things tommrow, but i doubt that match really "squashes" Nexus.

Also, nicely done WWE with bret. I really was worried what they were going to get from him, but they got a good beat down by him and a chair shot, and the official DQ'ing him removes the problem of having to put one of the nexus over a Living Legend.

Only thing i hated was the Finish, sooooo tired of super cena. Guess that DDT on the concrete floor sixty seconds beforehand didn't take eh? :rolleyes:

EDIT: how good was that Miz promo BTW?

That kid is impressing the hell out of me. When they split him and Morrison up, I thought he was destined for the mid card at best, but he gets better every week.

[crownsy]

He eliminated Slater with a Crossface. Miz came out and hit him with the MITB briefcase staright after. He got pinned then.

Which means DB-Miz for the US title baby :D

[dvdWarrior]

So far, I've heard both good things and bad things about this SummerSlam. I look forward to seeing the event for myself - six months from now, when it airs on WWE Classics On Demand.

:)

[Stennick]

At least we can FINALLY put the rest the rumors that Daniel Bryan's firing was in any way legitimate or real and not a complete work. I didn't love the PPV, but that was a good moment for those of us that saw through the facade that was his "release" the entire time.

I was certainly wrong about them bringing him back I won't bat an eyelash about saying that. However if his release was work why did they STILL not mention it? What is the point in releasing a guy and never making it part of his storyline if it is indeed a storyline?

He came back thats fine. But if it was a work and a "facade" then why did they never make it part of his storyline? If it was a work why not just leave it as them kicking him out him out of Nexus group or us SEEING them kick him out of the Nexus certainly those would have been more visual stories that would make him comeback all the greater.

The guy did good tonight and I'm as happy as everybody that he's back but I truly believe that the guy was at the very least released by the company. Now I'm assuming his pay from the company never stopped because its not been past 90 days but clearly if his release was part of the story they would have mentioned it during his return right? I mean when are they going to mention "ha ha we worked you" if it wasn't a work. And if it was a work who exactly did they work? The internet fans? When has Vince ever done anything just to say "ha ha I got you internet". If this was Vince Russo I would say I agree it was a work but its not Vince Russo.

Other than that it was nice to see Kane beat Taker. In fact has Kane EVER beaten Taker on pay per view before this event? Also is this the first non wrestlemania pay per view they have wrestled each other on?

The Miz is looking like a star and they need to be careful, tonight they were wanting to play sing along with the champ. They don't need a face turn from Miz right now. He's one of if not the best heel they have in the company right now.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Other than that it was nice to see Kane beat Taker. In fact has Kane EVER beaten Taker on pay per view before this event? Also is this the first non wrestlemania pay per view they have wrestled each other on?

He buried him alive to kill off Bad Ass/Big Evil Taker. He beat him up on his debut. He beat him up at the rumble in '98. As long as they haven't been in an actual match, Kane has pretty much owned him on PPV.

[Stennick]

Yeah I know Kane has had some big moments on PPV against Taker but as far as actual matches go Taker usually owns him pretty hard. Three Wrestlemania's and maybe a Backlash? No?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Taker I think is 4-0 against him on PPV yeah.

[dvdWarrior]

I remember the Inferno Match between Kane and Taker. Pretty sure that wasn't at Mania.... feels like... I dunno... Fully Loaded or something.

Taker still won though.

FIRE!!! FIRE!!!

:)

[Stennick]

I remember the Inferno Match between Kane and Taker. Pretty sure that wasn't at Mania.... feels like... I dunno... Fully Loaded or something.

Taker still won though.

FIRE!!! FIRE!!!

:)

Unforgiven 98 I believe

[Jaysin]

When I read Kane kicked Taker's ass I got so excited. The card didn't look that great too me so I didn't start watching until the Nexus/WWE match.

Sheamus and Orton just aren't my cup of tea.

I knew Dolph and Kofi would have a terrible finish.

Melina and Alicia Fox both suck.

and I'm sick of Rey Mysterio, so yeah. Wasn't a fan of the undercard.

But seriously, three DQ's in one night...really? REALLY?!

[SaySo]

But seriously, three DQ's in one night...really? REALLY?!


Kayfabe speaking, blame Nexus for sending a message by interrupting Dolph/Kofi so they can send the Raw locker room a message (we can do what we want when we wwant to). After-all, it's hard enough getting promos if you aren't Santino or main eventers on pay per views. It's like what Scott Hall use to do when he first showed up on Nitro. He came into ringside during a jobber matchup demanding he has something to say. Nexus did that same thing since they were going to start the show with a message and they intended to leave one at the end of the show (which Cena prevailed... something his fans will never forget). And what Nexus did is what heel stables (nWo) do.

Sheamus did what any heel champion should do, opt for a DQ since the title doesn't change hands. Something they should do more often in order for the heel to have the advantage of leaving as champion. I remember during the Attitude Era, world title matches on pay per views generally were declared before right the match, no-disqualification. No backup plans. They can always cheat to win using the dirtiest player playbook.

Bret Hart getting DQed was appropriate because that's an appropriate opt-out of a match for the eldest statements in the 7v7 match. Bret didn't need to take a finisher from an Nexus rookie, let alone last the entire match like a bench warmer in a NBA game. In TEW, WWE used the protecting booking card on Bret and wrote him out of the match. And the match ended with Cena prevailing because he is the face of the WWE.

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Kudos to NXT Season One. Is this the first time that eight unknowns/rookies (counting the experienced AmDrag) were able to participate in a PPV main event, nonetheless, on the second biggest pay per view of the year.

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Did the Miz break a stipulation from last year? On the August 3, 2009 episode of Raw, The Miz lost a match to Cena, which meant that, in storyline, he was banned from the Staples Center, Raw and SummerSlam. However, Miz regained his WWE contract the next week disguised under a mask as The Calgary Kid. He faced a returning Eugene (who disappeared afterwards) on a contract on pole match.

[Comradebot]

I have to say, I take tonight as another sign that Justin Gabriel (he'll STILL always be PJ Black to me!) will likely be around for awhile. I'd pay good money to see him and Danielson have 20 minutes against each other.

[Slim Jim]

Wouldn't have been so bad if Nexus had been made to look strong throughout the match... but they only got clean eliminations on Truth and Morrison, the two lowest members of Team WWE, and given then Gabriel had to kick Morrison in the back of the head to get that one done.

With the Jericho/Edge stuff (both the way they got pinned and attacking Cena), Bret being DQed, Miz attacking Bryan, and Nexus having to use the concrete floor, there were loads of reason why Team WWE could lose without looking at all weak.

Also annoying was how Cena did his little superman act, he didn't just avoid Gabriel, he practically jumped out the way and then sprang to his feet. Plus Gabriel is out from missing a 450 but Cena can get his ass handed to him and be fine? And then Barrett got made to look like an idiot. He's supposed to be this calculating leader... but he gladly gets straight into the ring with a fired up Cena? Would have added to his shrewdness if he'd waited for Cena's "adrenaline rush" to wear off but eh, they didn't do that. Hell, have Barrett jump off the apron, the ref goes to the ropes to remonstrate, then behind him the eliminated Gabriel kicks Cena in the head. They could have easily had Nexus win this match without hurting any member of Team WWE.

[The Shape]

Clear this whole angle has just been to get danielson over, now Wade et al are abandoned...:P

[Hyde Hill]

At least we can FINALLY put the rest the rumors that Daniel Bryan's firing was in any way legitimate or real and not a complete work. I didn't love the PPV, but that was a good moment for those of us that saw through the facade that was his "release" the entire time.

Lol you are joking right? He was legit fired and he was legit rehired.

[Hyde Hill]

This a different subject but has any one else seen how much WWE's stock has dropped latley?

No but if it has I do know that the PPV buys are down again as the novelty of the gimmick ppv's is possibly starting to wear off and the E has done all they can as far as improving the margins.

[UkWrestleFan]

Clear this whole angle has just been to get danielson over, now Wade et al are abandoned...:P

Nah, I think Wade will be fine. As for the rest of Nexus, who knows. I don't think last night was the end of the whole thing, far from it. There's been all this talk of somebody turning and being revealed as the person behind it all but we still don't know who. I guess we'll have to see what happens on RAW tonight...

[Teh_Showtime]

I do think Danileson was legit fired/hired

I mean thats what happened with Matt Hardy during the Edge/Lita thing and I doubt that WWE would allow for him to work elsewhere.

still it was a good twist, and it looks like Danielson is gonna get over huge with a program with the Miz. Possibly 2 members of Nexus go for the titles (Otunga and Tarver would be a good team imo).

[crownsy]

Clear this whole angle has just been to get danielson over, now Wade et al are abandoned...:P

I love the interwebs. We have 10 hours till Raw, but everyone already knows what happened to nexus

Everywhere I go to read impressions of the show, people are convinced this means the Nexus is gone. Was there a stipulation i missed? It's a 7 x 7 tag match they lost by one guy to supercena, how on earth does that lead to the conclusion that they are buried, broken, or off TV?

Explain to me again why a Heel stable is going to disband over a close loss? No Heel stable has ever come out and dismissed a loss as inconsequential right? or just jumped the guy who beat them and said they don't give a poop about what happened?

They will probley Tone down the "NExus runs the Shows" angle, because 2 DQ's a night is getting annoying and the writers made their point, but I still expect them to be a big angle.

And also, no way are they abandoning wade barret, gabriel, slater or skip. Word backstage is that the creative staff is very happy with those 4, espically wade.

Now If your name is darren young or micheal tarver.....save your money boys.

[The Shape]

lol I know :D

Really can't see what anyone sees in Slater, I'd say Tarver would be more useable as a generic midcard menace but maybe Slater does have something unique that I just haven't realised yet :o

[Jaysin]

Every time I watch Tarver, its like he's trying to be the MMA version of Monty Brown. The way he moves and everything is very reminiscent of Monty. Only difference is, Monty had charisma and ended up developing into a pretty fine worker.

Oh how I miss the POOOOUUNNNNNNCCCEEEEEE......PERIOD!

[crownsy]

Every time I watch Tarver, its like he's trying to be the MMA version of Monty Brown. The way he moves and everything is very reminiscent of Monty. Only difference is, Monty had charisma and ended up developing into a pretty fine worker.

Oh how I miss the POOOOUUNNNNNNCCCEEEEEE......PERIOD!

me and my boys have a running joke about him when he puts his mask on for matches/beatdowns, thats the only memorable thing about him so far for me.

I do like asking people i'm watching with if they notice that you never see traver and the guy with the mask in the same place at the same time though :)

[crownsy]

lol I know :D

Really can't see what anyone sees in Slater, I'd say Tarver would be more useable as a generic midcard menace but maybe Slater does have something unique that I just haven't realised yet :o

I haven't really connected with Slater's character, but he can really work in the ring and is probley the best guy at selling in the group.

He might never rise that high, but i picture him at least as a guy who you can always have around to look credible and put other workers over in the midcard.

ya know, a jobber who won't hurt people with no painful botches :D

and who knows, mabey he catches fire with the crowd and does better than that.

Tarver and young...I just don't get the appeal, but they are useful for now as faces in the "numbers game"

[The Celt]

Every time I watch Tarver, its like he's trying to be the MMA version of Monty Brown. The way he moves and everything is very reminiscent of Monty. Only difference is, Monty had charisma and ended up developing into a pretty fine worker.

Oh how I miss the POOOOUUNNNNNNCCCEEEEEE......PERIOD!

The Pounce never died, it just changed location

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/Aidanbro111/roddygetspounced.gif

Human Tornado in PWG also pulled it off often enough

[Jaysin]

Human Tornado in PWG also pulled it off often enough

Has he gained any weight? When I saw him in WSX he was borderline anorexic looking. I can't picture that skinny guy doing any sort of power move :p

[Self]

Just watched it after carefully avoiding spoilers all day. Undercard was exactly what it looked like on paper; weak. Kofi messed up his pretend dive (making it a dive) and the entire flow of the opener suffered. Did Melina legit hurt herself? Big Show vs SES was pretty fun. Haven't seen Mercury in a while, he looks very short. I enjoyed The Miz' promo, even if the crowd didn't get fully behind it. I loved the video package for Sheamus/Orton, but the match was an effort to get through. I fast-forwarded Kane/Rey. Post-match shenanigans did nothing for me.

The main event... I'm gutted Nexus didn't win, but I liked the match, and thought they did a lot of things right. They got Daniel Bryan and his move over. Skip Sheffield looked strong. Heath Slater impressed me in his selling for D-Bry. Justin Gabriel's survival warmed my heart. I would have liked more rampant cheating on the part of Nexus, it was a pretty civil affair all-in-all, but I enjoy survivor matches, and this was no exception.

I'm still of the belief that Daniel Bryan was legitimately fired, because if it was a work it's the single worst work I've ever seen. His reappearance tonight was cool, but could have been so much cooler if built properly.

[Hyde Hill]

Ok gave the E a chance again and severely disappointed. This is their no2 ppv and they give me this? 2 decent matches and 1 mediocre and that is it? Puleeaze.

[Hyde Hill]

Every time I watch Tarver, its like he's trying to be the MMA version of Monty Brown. The way he moves and everything is very reminiscent of Monty. Only difference is, Monty had charisma and ended up developing into a pretty fine worker.

Oh how I miss the POOOOUUNNNNNNCCCEEEEEE......PERIOD!

Yep a lot of his body language is very reminiscent of Monty, Brown was a better worker in all respects though. Too bad about those family problems.

[Hyde Hill]

Has he gained any weight? When I saw him in WSX he was borderline anorexic looking. I can't picture that skinny guy doing any sort of power move :p

Hasn't the tornado retired? Or am I confused. Still there is only one real POOOOOUUUUNCEEEE!!!!! lolz.

[The Shape]

Ok gave the E a chance again and severely disappointed. This is their no2 ppv and they give me this? 2 decent matches and 1 mediocre and that is it? Puleeaze.

I didn't watch the show, but I just checked and to be fair, one of those matches was as long as two or three usually would be.