The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[ampulator]

Lol I literally just watched that very interview.

Biggest revelation from Londrick:

"Cena, Orton and Batista were in the nicest guys in the WWE"

Orton and Batista? Wow, does that every run against the way the IWC paints them.
Orton doesn't surprise me, but for me, it's seems more he gets easily irritated than being a genuinely mean person. If someone pushes him, he's easily provoked.

As for Batista, he's not necessarily out to piss people, or has a chip on his shoulder. It's more that he's a jerk when he refuses to admit he's done something wrong or does something stupid.

[Stennick]

That being said you're right. All these people that say Orton's a huge richard or that Batista is a donkey or that Cena goes behind closed doors to hold people down. Two guys that have no love loss for a lot of people in the WWE come right out and say these guys are cool.

[crownsy]

Doesn't that seem just a little bit insane to you? Accepting that everyone does it and then firing whoever doesn't know the urine test secret handshake is an awful way to prevent any sort of substance abuse in a locker room.

How would you go about testing for it? Hair tests and blood tests for THC are ridiculously expensive, and also tend to promote a lot of bad will.

I have two friends who work for a major financial firm that random tests at least 4 times a year. They are so anti-drug it is ridiculous.

Yet both of them have never failed a test, because they know how to use google.

Also, I was making no moral judgment on the WWE, and in fact agree with you that they have bigger things to worry about, i was just pointing out that if you give a flying burrito about your job, you don't go to your boss and go:

"yea, you know that drug testing policy? F that. I'm still going to do what i do and fail it, so there. here's a check" and expect to be employed. That's not how it works in the real world.

[shamelessposer]

That being said you're right. All these people that say Orton's a huge richard or that Batista is a donkey or that Cena goes behind closed doors to hold people down. Two guys that have no love loss for a lot of people in the WWE come right out and say these guys are cool.

It's weird you'd say that about Cena, because in my corner of the internet it's never even been up for discussion whether or not he's holding people down. In fact, it's been suggested that he's the reason the WWE is so high on Danielson right now.

[Hyde Hill]

It's weird you'd say that about Cena, because in my corner of the internet it's never even been up for discussion whether or not he's holding people down. In fact, it's been suggested that he's the reason the WWE is so high on Danielson right now.

Only thing I have heard is when Anderson "botched" the backdrop according to Orton both he and Cena went to complain and because it was both of them he got fired.

[TracyBrooksFan]

World Wrestling Entertainment has been made aware of the passing of Gertrude (Luna) Vachon. WWE extends its deepest condolences to the Vachon family.

Ms. Vachon was under contract with WWE at various times from 1993 through 2000, and performed under the name “Luna” Vachon. She last performed for WWE in early 2000.

[ChrisKid]

Not sure if this is a spoiler or not but: Are the Dudebuster's being pushed as faces now more of a question than anything

[1234]

Spoiler Of Some-one who wrestled a match on Smackdown

Holy **** its Alex Koslov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I so marked out when I saw him

[Candyman]

That being said you're right. All these people that say Orton's a huge richard or that Batista is a donkey or that Cena goes behind closed doors to hold people down. Two guys that have no love loss for a lot of people in the WWE come right out and say these guys are cool.

Regardless of how much love he's lost, Brian Kendrick's statements about Orton change nothing about him. It's the way he treated the divas and the way he treats the fans that's the problem, not the way he treats the other boys in the back. I don't know why they would say anything different about Orton, they don't fit into either group of people he abuses. Not to mention the one thing that's not rumors - the way he acts on camera when somebody screws up(Kofi, Miz, the Roddy Piper incident). That's there for everybody to see and judge what kind of person he is. And it's not pretty.

It's weird you'd say that about Cena, because in my corner of the internet it's never even been up for discussion whether or not he's holding people down. In fact, it's been suggested that he's the reason the WWE is so high on Danielson right now.

Yeah, I was surprised by that statement as well. I've never heard anything like that about Cena. He seems to go make his way around the roster and help as many of the lower guys get a rub off him as possible. Even if you believe the rumor he had a hand in Kennedy getting fired...I think that just tells you that Kennedy really was dangerous and really did need to be fired.

[toeachtheirown]

Regardless of how much love he's lost, Brian Kendrick's statements about Orton change nothing about him. It's the way he treated the divas and the way he treats the fans that's the problem, not the way he treats the other boys in the back. I don't know why they would say anything different about Orton, they don't fit into either group of people he abuses. Not to mention the one thing that's not rumors - the way he acts on camera when somebody screws up(Kofi, Miz, the Roddy Piper incident). That's there for everybody to see and judge what kind of person he is. And it's not pretty.

Who's to say any of that is true? You're not in the back to witness it. Is it speculated on sure? But that stuff was a while ago as well.

As far as him on screen getting mad when someone screws up. I know I get pissed when somebody at my job screws up and it makes me look bad. You can think what you want about the guy but just know you have third hand information and a few blips here and there about the guy. Yet when you hear "he picks up the tab and is nice to the boys in the back" you say "so what I want to ignore the nice things he does and concentrate on the others"

Nobody is perfect we all have a light and dark side its just not always as out there for people to see as it is with public people.

[SaySo]

Regardless of how much love he's lost, Brian Kendrick's statements about Orton change nothing about him. It's the way he treated the divas and the way he treats the fans that's the problem, not the way he treats the other boys in the back. I don't know why they would say anything different about Orton, they don't fit into either group of people he abuses. Not to mention the one thing that's not rumors - the way he acts on camera when somebody screws up(Kofi, Miz, the Roddy Piper incident). That's there for everybody to see and judge what kind of person he is. And it's not pretty.


You mean the crowd reaction he is getting and his momentum the last couple of months? They are loving him in Raw right now.

[The Final Countdown]

You mean the crowd reaction he is getting and his momentum the last couple of months? They are loving him in Raw right now.
That has nothing to do with what Candyman was talking about in the post you quoted.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Regardless of how much love he's lost, Brian Kendrick's statements about Orton change nothing about him. It's the way he treated the divas and the way he treats the fans that's the problem, not the way he treats the other boys in the back. I don't know why they would say anything different about Orton, they don't fit into either group of people he abuses. Not to mention the one thing that's not rumors - the way he acts on camera when somebody screws up(Kofi, Miz, the Roddy Piper incident). That's there for everybody to see and judge what kind of person he is. And it's not pretty.

It seems like he's wisened up though. He hasn't been in many incidents since his early days, after his second suspension he mellowed down quite a bit, was said to have visited a therapist regularly, which doesn't necessarily spell everything but I think parts of it have showed.

Sure he's irritated in the ring, but in more than one occasion now he's been described as approaching calmly the responsible party backstage about their mishaps. He spoke without trouble to Kennedy, and to Miz a few weeks ago when he botched something(which I forgot). Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch he'd come across as nice these days. Batista I wouldn't know, not trying to sniff too much into it.

[Slagaholic]

I am officially an Alberto Del Rio fan. He is most certainly worthy of being a big deal.

[Linsolv]

From what I heard, there have been some reports of incidents recently with Orton, but they always turn out to be both overblown, and entirely not his fault.

Though that wasn't always true.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

My site for watching the old attitude ahows is shut down:mad:

[jwt13]

My site for watching the old attitude ahows is shut down:mad:

Was it the old Hardcoretv site?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Watchxonline. I heard hardcoretv is down too.

[jwt13]

yea I went to watch some Nitros and it has been turned into some type of fourm

[jjohns44]

I'm surprised RAW's not 3 hours this time. Not that the 3 hour RAWs have been more exciting than the standard showtime, but they're making a big deal about it being 900 episodes.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Just seen promo to end SD between Kane and Taker. Very good stuff.

[|Anderz|]

Just seen promo to end SD between Kane and Taker. Very good stuff.

I thought that promo was absolutely shocking, poorly written garbage.. none of it made sense.. and thats in a 'ive not a clue what was said, let alone does it make sense in a kayfabe' way..

Undertaker seemed to be falling over his words and getting mixed up.. now if that was the point, to sell his 'injuries' - ie, the pathetic cough.. then it didnt come across that way.. it came across as a poor promo..

[crownsy]

I thought that promo was absolutely shocking, poorly written garbage.. none of it made sense.. and thats in a 'ive not a clue what was said, let alone does it make sense in a kayfabe' way..

Undertaker seemed to be falling over his words and getting mixed up.. now if that was the point, to sell his 'injuries' - ie, the pathetic cough.. then it didnt come across that way.. it came across as a poor promo..


I though along the same lines, Kane was strong with his promo, but taker was very weak.

I think thats for the very reason you said, he was trying to convey that he was...I dunno, still recovering from his coma? (the fake cough he kept tossing in and slurring words) but it hurt the promo more than it helped to show weakness on his part and strength on kanes.

I see what they were shooting for (kane strong, taker sickly and vunerable) but in practice it came across poorly

[TheEdgeOfReason]

So what are the chances of a Trips return tonight? Even if just for one night?(I realise he will return but he may be a while away from competing.)

[Tha Black Phenom]

I honestly thought this was gonna be three hours. Fooled me.

Bret vs. Taker in the main-event? Probably nostalgic points.

[The Final Countdown]

Kaval-Daniel Bryan tag team. OMG, Michael Cole is going to have a fit.

[sabataged]

First impression from the triple threat...

Alex Riley is destined to be something big
Kaval will never be anything in WWE
Mike McGui...whatever...he will be something one day, very green right now though

I also dont think Danielson can work a WWE style match. He just looks awkward everytime out

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Nexus only started 11 episodes ago? wow... seems alot longer.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Well, 8 episodes makes two months so it sounds about right. Almost three months.

Quite glad they're unifying the Women/Diva titles. Make it interbrand and things will be better/simpler.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Well, 8 episodes makes two months so it sounds about right. Almost three months.

Quite glad they're unifying the Women/Diva titles. Make it interbrand and things will be better/simpler.

Yeah they're aint enough Divas to have two belts.

11 episodes just makes it sound really short for some reason.

[sabataged]

Yeah they're aint enough Divas to have two belts.

11 episodes just makes it sound really short for some reason.


Ya its a smart move...all Diva's should be on one show anyway like it used to be.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I take it Y2J is leaving then:mad:

Fozzy are touring soon aren't they?

[sabataged]

I take it Y2J is leaving then:mad:

Fozzy are touring soon aren't they?


His contract is up in September. He is telling everyone he is not taking an extended break.

[Jaysin]

Yeah they're aint enough Divas to have two belts.

11 episodes just makes it sound really short for some reason.

There aren't enough talented women to even have one belt in the company.

[MightyDavidson]

First impression from the triple threat...

Alex Riley is destined to be something big
Kaval will never be anything in WWE
Mike McGui...whatever...he will be something one day, very green right now though

I also dont think Danielson can work a WWE style match. He just looks awkward everytime out

I disagree, he looked good out there in my opinion. In fact I'd say his style is quite suited to the WWE, since he never really used any nasty head dropping moves that the WWE would disapprove of. I'd say Kaval would've had to adjust his wrestling style more then Bryan Danielson

Alex Riley looked good out there as well and I suppose it helped Miz's heel act that the booking of his match made it look like he was hiding behind him for most of the match.

To be fair though, nobody really got enough time to strut their stuff in the match anyway. I do like Danielson and Kaval as a tag team though.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

His contract is up in September. He is telling everyone he is not taking an extended break.

Wouldn't be too surprised, once the Fozzy tour cycle winds down that he returns.

[Chuck]

Is WWE attempting to have the worst episode of RAW ever on right now?

[sabataged]

I disagree, he looked good out there in my opinion. In fact I'd say his style is quite suited to the WWE, since he never really used any nasty head dropping moves that the WWE would disapprove of. I'd say Kaval would've had to adjust his wrestling style more then Bryan Danielson

Alex Riley looked good out there as well and I suppose it helped Miz's heel act that the booking of his match made it look like he was hiding behind him for most of the match.

To be fair though, nobody really got enough time to strut their stuff in the match anyway. I do like Danielson and Kaval as a tag team though.


All he does is kicks and looks angry. To be honest Tajiri's kicks were more believable back in the day. I dunno, I think he looks best when mat wrestling and he just wont have a chance to do that against guys twice his size.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

"You cut The Rock off at second base!!":D

[Hulkamaniac85]

Please let the rock come out right now, that would be awesome!

[MightyDavidson]

All he does is kicks and looks angry. To be honest Tajiri's kicks were more believable back in the day. I dunno, I think he looks best when mat wrestling and he just wont have a chance to do that against guys twice his size.

Not everybody in the WWE is twice his size, there are some certainly but now a days many of the wrestlers in WWE are closer to Danielson in size. Besides, Danielson has looked credible against larger opponents before. His Fight Without Honor against Morishima at Final Battle 2008 comes to mind.

I mean I see where you're coming from and all, I just don't agree with you.

[AzzMartin]

For the record... I Love CM Punk!

[Jaysin]

Hahaha I love Punk, but he lied!

He GTS'd Chavo into the Gulf of Mexico!

[The Final Countdown]

Not everybody in the WWE is twice his size, there are some certainly but now a days many of the wrestlers in WWE are closer to Danielson in size. Besides, Danielson has looked credible against larger opponents before. His Fight Without Honor against Morishima at Final Battle 2008 comes to mind.

I mean I see where you're coming from and all, I just don't agree with you.
Or, to use a WWE example, I thought he looked pretty credible during his little match with Batista a few months ago.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Katie Vick mention? In the PG era?:eek:

Punk looks so different with the short hair. He needs it long again ASAP.

[Jaysin]

Or, to use a WWE example, I thought he looked pretty credible during his little match with Batista a few months ago.

Well Dolph Ziggler's debut match was against Batista and Dolph for the most part beat the crap out of Batista and look how they've treated Dolph since then.

[The Final Countdown]

Well Dolph Ziggler's debut match was against Batista and Dolph for the most part beat the crap out of Batista and look how they've treated Dolph since then.
Well, Ziggler is the Intercontinental champion, to be fair. But I wasn't saying that Danielson will necessarily become a star; just backing up the idea that his offense can look believable and credible against the bigger guys in the WWE.

I loved how Punk acted like he didn't know who Brock Lesnar was.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

"You're not funny and nobody likes you" lol:D

[MightyDavidson]

Well Dolph Ziggler's debut match was against Batista and Dolph for the most part beat the crap out of Batista and look how they've treated Dolph since then.

He's the Intercontinental Champion and has been dominating a feud with Kofi Kingston thus far? ;):D

[Jaysin]

He's the Intercontinental Champion and has been dominating a feud with Kofi Kingston thus far? ;):D

Meh, too little, too late as far as I'm concerned. He's no where near as hot as he was last year. Rey getting suspended really killed his momentum in my opinion.

[MightyDavidson]

Meh, too little, too late as far as I'm concerned. He's no where near as hot as he was last year. Rey getting suspended really killed his momentum in my opinion.

Again I disagree, at least about his momentum being killed. I'd say MVP and Mark Henry were damaged far worse then he was.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Of course there's worse cases than him but that doesn't make it any less true for Ziggler. Last Summerslam, I think there were actually Ziggler chants... the guy was over. Right now.. he's over, but not at that same level.

But I don't think it's too little too late yet, he has a chance to get it back.

[Comradebot]

Road agent notes: The fans were annoyed with how many non-wrestling segments they had to sit through, and it really hurt the show rating.

[Eisen-verse]

Nexus goes over clean!!

wow. That was pretty cool to see. Also, I marked out pretty hard with Justin Gabriel (my favorite of the group) defeated John Cena. I know this won't really lead to a great singles push (just by beating Cena in this way) BUT it was cool to see.

[fatallylost]

Hahaha I love Punk, but he lied!

He GTS'd Chavo into the Gulf of Mexico!

I think that was the joke. Didn't he also leave someone else in a river? The Mississippi perhaps? Non WWE era though.

"You're not funny and nobody likes you" lol:D

Best line of the night!

The show was ok, the ending being the best. Does this mean Slater is in line for a title shot now?

[Comradebot]

Nexus goes over clean!!

wow. That was pretty cool to see. Also, I marked out pretty hard with Justin Gabriel (my favorite of the group) defeated John Cena. I know this won't really lead to a great singles push (just by beating Cena in this way) BUT it was cool to see.

Yes. This made the night almost worth it for me. Not only the clean win for Nexus, but it was GREAT to see Gabriel with a clean pin on Cena off the 450. The WWE likes this guy, and so do I (no homo).

Thoughts on the night:

Loved the Taker/Kane/Nexus segment.
Alberto Del Rio was OK. Not "OMG AMAZING!!!", but enjoyable.
CM Punk cut the funniest promo I've seen in a while. LOVED the Katie Vick/Captain Insane-O references.
Glad I chose the Diva segments as the time to get a bowl of cereal.
Happy to see a lack of guest hosts and constant recaps... been a long complaint of mine, and their continued abscence in recent months has been great
WHERE ARE THE MATCHES?! Seriously!? I only tuned in at the start of the triple threat tag team match, and, well... after that, the only other matches were the Diva match, (which lasted, by my count, about two minutes... and sucked...), the Bourne/Swagger bout that paid more attention to Del Rio than the in-ring action, and then the 5 on "5" main event. Old episodes of WWF Superstars of Wrestling lasted an hour and had more in-ring time than tonight's episode of RAW. I know, it's the WWE, but still... angles should be used to build-up matches, not the other way around.



Overall, a solid show. Far from amazing, but the main event was enjoyable, all angles with the Nexus were golden (particularly the Kane/Undertaker one), and CM Punk stole the show with his promo. Downsides? Matches weren't event treated equally with angles, the thought of Chris Jericho maybe leaving makes me sad. But hey, maybe he actually WILL win the title... would be awesome. Show gets a C+ from me. Passable, but far from what the WWE has the talent to pull off.

[MightyDavidson]

Nexus goes over clean!!

wow. That was pretty cool to see. Also, I marked out pretty hard with Justin Gabriel (my favorite of the group) defeated John Cena. I know this won't really lead to a great singles push (just by beating Cena in this way) BUT it was cool to see.

That was good to see, sadly any good it did for his career was killed when he was eliminated by Randy Orton mere seconds later. Nor does this Nexus victory really help them that much, since they went in there with a five on three advantage and were still nearly defeated. Barrett looks good but Nexus is still a paper tiger.

Also the supernatural shenanigans in the Undertaker beatdown really hurt it in my opinion. What should have been an awesome moment for Nexus instead made it seem like they were merely playing second fiddle to the Kane/Undertaker feud.

[BHK1978]

I would have thought that this being the 900th show, they would have made it better. It was cool to see Wade get the big win at the end of the show.

The thing that annoyed me about the show is it is not the longest running episodic show in the history of television. There are plenty of soap operas that have far more episodes. Also depending on what one considers an episode, RAW would not even come close to shows like Meet the Press and The Today Show.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

The thing that annoyed me about the show is it is not the longest running weekly episodic show in the history of television.

There is the difference.

[SaySo]

Funny with the whole weekly episodic show in the history of television comments, you see people bring up shows like Oprah Whitfrey, etc. to say "no they are not."

[BHK1978]

There is the difference.

Yes and soap operas and news shows are on weekly. And each show is considered an episode.

[SaySo]

Yes and soap operas and news shows are on weekly. And each show is considered an episode.

Weekly? or Daily? News show for example, Mon-Fri, not Monday only.

[MightyDavidson]

There is the difference.

That's just using semantics to give themselves accolades they haven't actually earned.

[SaySo]

How many shows that are on, one day of the week, 52 weeks a year, 17 years in a row? None because we have preemption.

Who has the most shows, one day of the week, 52 weeks a year? (Includes all shows since its inception)

[Comradebot]

Stuff like The Daily Show/Oprah/most soap operas are different, in the sense they're on MULTIPLE times in a single week.

Of course, WWE RAW, unlike nearly every other show that's on only once a week, has no break. It's once a week, every week, all year long. THAT is why it's so easy for them to hit 900... hell, just two years away from 1000! And it'll probably be a huge letdown.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

That's just using semantics to give themselves accolades they haven't actually earned.

Yeah it is. The whole thing is a mouthful and I find it quite annoying because the say it a few times every show.

[BHK1978]

That's just using semantics to give themselves accolades they haven't actually earned.

That is what I am saying as well.

Sayso what does Raw fall under? It is comparing itself to sitcoms and dramas and it is neither. And it is not a sport, so it is well...heck if I know.

[SaySo]

That is what I am saying as well.

Sayso what does Raw fall under? It is comparing itself to sitcoms and dramas and it is neither. And it is not a sport, so it is well...heck if I know.

I don't know what it falls under. It's comparing itself with someone like Monday Night Football, which has 17 shows a year. We could compare it to Nitro but TNT buried them to WWE. Weekly episodic is the term they use. You don't hear TV shows that appear weekly because they only last 6-10 seasons with 20 shows each season. How many shows like Monday Night Raw that exist anyway that doesn't have off season besides a preemption (Dog show, US Open, etc.)? iMPACT? Yeah but they are approaching Nitro count in a year or two. SmackDown has 500 shows i believe (52 x 10).

[TheEdgeOfReason]

That is what I am saying as well.

Sayso what does Raw fall under? It is comparing itself to sitcoms and dramas and it is neither. And it is not a sport, so it is well...heck if I know.

Its comparing itself to tv shows that debut a new tv show once a week. e.g. The Simpsons premieres a new episode every Sunday(I think?) and it is second I think in episodes. Soap Operas aren't the same as they do 3/4 new shows each week.

[dvdWarrior]

Its comparing itself to tv shows that debut a new tv show once a week. e.g. The Simpsons premieres a new episode every Sunday(I think?) and it is second I think in episodes. Soap Operas aren't the same as they do 3/4 new shows each week.

I still think the old JCP/NWA/WCW Saturday Night show had more episodes but that's just me. At least WWE was modest about it being their 900th episode though, :p.

Surprised they didn't pull out the ol' "we're more popular than Jesus" line or whatever it was that John Lennon said that stirred up so much controversy way back when.

:eek:

[Eisen-verse]

That was good to see, sadly any good it did for his career was killed when he was eliminated by Randy Orton mere seconds later.

I disagree with that point. Sure, he lost to Orton a few seconds later but that doesn't hinder his victory over Cena in the slightest. Orton's finisher is known for being an 'out of nowhere' kind of manuever. So, others have fallen in the same manner. The fact that he pinned Cena cleanly gives him a strong rub even if Orton does put him down seconds later. Just my thought though.

[MightyDavidson]

I disagree with that point. Sure, he lost to Orton a few seconds later but that doesn't hinder his victory over Cena in the slightest. Orton's finisher is known for being an 'out of nowhere' kind of manuever. So, others have fallen in the same manner. The fact that he pinned Cena cleanly gives him a strong rub even if Orton does put him down seconds later. Just my thought though.

I politely disagree. It should have been a big moment sure, since he beat Cena and all but getting eliminated a few seconds later kind of spoils that effect in my opinion. If he and Barrett had still been standing at the end of the match, that would've given him a much stronger rub. Then again, I haven't liked how this angle has been booked since Summerslam so it's quite possible I could be biased.

[djthefunkchris]

Just to time in on the longest weekly show running.

They are talking prime time TV as well, and they aren't counting shows that started with a time frame around noon or 2am at night. Things like Gunsmoke, Cosby Show, etc... These are the types of programs (has been prime time before going into syndication) they are talking about. I tend to think of Prime time as in between the early evening news, and late night news (here it's like 7pm to 11pm). Oprah, Phil Donahue, Dr. Phil etc. are not prime time shows (for example). They are afternoon shows that target a female audience.

[1234]

Who do you guys think will win NXT tonight?

I think it is between McGillicutty & Kaval, I cant see (Or dont want) Alex Riley winning.

[Slim Jim]

Riley seems the most WWE-ish, even though I don't like him. Not sure why... think it's his face that's the problem, kind of like Cody Rhodes. Hmm.

I'd like Kaval to win, because I dislike Riley, and the way "McGillicutty" moves gives me memories of Gillberg for some reason.

[Self]

I'd put money on Riley. I can't see WWE letting an indy guy win, and McGuillicutty has shown me absolutely nothing. Blandest of the bland. Ted Dibiase Jr level bland.

[juggaloninjalee]

Am I the only person who hated the Undertaker/Kane/Nexus segment? The lights went off too many times and really lost my interest. They should have just made Kane battle out of the choke slam and Nexus attack Taker. That would have been better to me.

As for NXT tonight I really think Riley will win.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Anyone heard about this?

-- Creative plans as of Monday night was for WWE to unify all of its championships within the next year. There would be one World Championship, one Tag Team Championship, the Intercontinental Championship, and one Women's title. It is said that a WWE/World Title Unification Match will take place at next year's WrestleMania.

Plans can always change until then, but in the meantime this sounds like something interesting to say the least.

[Self]

Unifying the main belts would certainly be a big deal for a Wrestlemania Main Event, and I guess seeing as Smackdown truly is the B show nowadays, having one guy be 'The Champion' on RAW could be cool.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I hope they go through with it. Having two world belts really is redundant.

[MightyDavidson]

Am I the only person who hated the Undertaker/Kane/Nexus segment? The lights went off too many times and really lost my interest. They should have just made Kane battle out of the choke slam and Nexus attack Taker. That would have been better to me.

As for NXT tonight I really think Riley will win.

You weren't the only one. The segment should've made Nexus look bad ass for managing to take out Taker but instead they ended up playing second fiddle to the Kane/Undertaker feud.

[juggaloninjalee]

Anyone heard about this?



Plans can always change until then, but in the meantime this sounds like something interesting to say the least.

I hope they use the World Heavyweight Title or a new belt. I hate the Cena style belt personally.

[b0shey]

Watching Raw.. how funny is it that at Royal Rumble 94 Undertaker could beat 11 men and on Raw he couldn't take out 6.. Guess the urn truly was the source of his power. :D

Alberto Del Rio is so Awesome, totally my new fav :D

SES looks so naked without Serena :(

I hope they use the World Heavyweight Title or a new belt. I hate the Cena style belt personally.

God no... i hate the WcW title and hope they throw it away alongside the Cena Title and bring back the original undisputed title.

[Comradebot]

Watching Raw.. how funny is it that at Royal Rumble 94 Undertaker could beat 11 men and on Raw he couldn't take out 6.. Guess the urn truly was the source of his power. :D

Alberto Del Rio is so Awesome, totally my new fav :D

SES looks so naked without Serena :(



God no... i hate the WcW title and hope they throw it away alongside the Cena Title and bring back the original undisputed title.

Either that, or he's lost some juice over the last 16 frakking years. :rolleyes:

[FlameSnoopy]

Watching Raw.. how funny is it that at Royal Rumble 94 Undertaker could beat 11 men and on Raw he couldn't take out 6.. Guess the urn truly was the source of his power. :D

Alberto Del Rio is so Awesome, totally my new fav :D

SES looks so naked without Serena :(

God no... i hate the WcW title and hope they throw it away alongside the Cena Title and bring back the original undisputed title.

Hopefully not. I don't like the WCW-ish, Cena-ish or the Undisputed-ish. The original attitude belt ftw!

[Comradebot]

I'll be honest: the only one I dislike is the Cena one. Which, honestly, when Cena FIRST held it, it MADE SENSE!!! He was a wanna-be gangsta rapper, so it was hilarious to see him carrying an over the top blinged out belt.

But now... it makes no sense, and just looks like an overly gawdy piece of crap. It's out of place. Like if they still used the Smoking Skull belt, or if Randy Orton were to walk around with the Million Dollar Belt.

The fact that anyone who wasn't John Cena a few years ago would want to carry it around is mind boggling... except maybe Cryme Tyme.

[juggaloninjalee]

Hopefully not. I don't like the WCW-ish, Cena-ish or the Undisputed-ish. The original attitude belt ftw!

I don't thinkt hey would go back to the Attitude era belt. Maybe a new undisputed if anything with the same color as the unified tag titles.

[PeterHilton]

Plans can always change until then, but in the meantime this sounds like something interesting to say the least.

If they built it up for a few months..announced the unification bout ahead of time, made it seem like guys on each show were vying for the right to win the belt and represent their brand at WM...and then went ahead and gave us Cena vs Taker ..it would be a huge draw.

[dvdWarrior]

Personally, I hope Kaval wins NXT tonight, but knowing the 'E' as I do, I highly doubt that's going to happen. Most people I know think it's gonna be Magillicuddy, but I have a feeling it's gonna be Riley.

Raw was OK last night, but for me, the two solid hours of WWE kissing its own butt, (desperately begging for respect, as the guy who wrote the recap on The Observer said), was a MAJOR turnoff. Also, all the rapid-fire eliminations in the main event hurt that match for me too, but then, I've always been steadfast against rapid-fire eliminations - guys losing A LOT faster than they would in a standard match, (what? Do these guys suddenly lose all their stamina just because they have partners?). Reminds me of the old video game WWF Attitude, where if you had a standard match, a wrestler lost energy very slowly and the match went on a little bit, but if you did an Iron Man match, moves hurt like 5 times as much, and pins came left and right.

Just a complaint I've always had.

I did love what Jericho and Edge did though.

Daniel Bryan vs The Miz - first ever Michael Cole On A Pole Match at WrestleMania 27, you heard it here first!

:eek:

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'll be honest: the only one I dislike is the Cena one. Which, honestly, when Cena FIRST held it, it MADE SENSE!!! He was a wanna-be gangsta rapper, so it was hilarious to see him carrying an over the top blinged out belt.

But now... it makes no sense, and just looks like an overly gawdy piece of crap. It's out of place. Like if they still used the Smoking Skull belt, or if Randy Orton were to walk around with the Million Dollar Belt.

The fact that anyone who wasn't John Cena a few years ago would want to carry it around is mind boggling... except maybe Cryme Tyme.

I remember that year when the WWE title was carried to SmackDown!... and I always wondered to myself "are they seriously gonna have the Undertaker hold that belt down the line"?

As it turns out, he never won it, though he did grab it once or twice(the usual contender craving the title by holding/staring at the belt spiel).

[Comradebot]

Personally, I hope Kaval wins NXT tonight, but knowing the 'E' as I do, I highly doubt that's going to happen. Most people I know think it's gonna be Magillicuddy, but I have a feeling it's gonna be Riley.

Raw was OK last night, but for me, the two solid hours of WWE kissing its own butt, (desperately begging for respect, as the guy who wrote the recap on The Observer said), was a MAJOR turnoff. Also, all the rapid-fire eliminations in the main event hurt that match for me too, but then, I've always been steadfast against rapid-fire eliminations - guys losing A LOT faster than they would in a standard match, (what? Do these guys suddenly lose all their stamina just because they have partners?). Reminds me of the old video game WWF Attitude, where if you had a standard match, a wrestler lost energy very slowly and the match went on a little bit, but if you did an Iron Man match, moves hurt like 5 times as much, and pins came left and right.

Just a complaint I've always had.

I did love what Jericho and Edge did though.

Daniel Bryan vs The Miz - first ever Michael Cole On A Pole Match at WrestleMania 27, you heard it here first!

:eek:


I'd say part of the problem here was the fact they gave NO freakin' time even to the main event. Longest match of the night, sure, but that wasn't a hard accomplishment. When you cram that many people into ten minutes, you're gonna have to have rapid eliminations.

I digress.

WWE, still alot yall need to work on. They HAVE gotten better in this last year I'd say compared to where they were... but plenty of room for improvement.

[sabataged]

I think having the title unification match at Wrestlemania could be huge if they build it right. I am already hoping for Cena vs Taker or HHH vs Taker. If this is Takers last WM then I want it to be Cena. If he has one more in him after this one then I want this to be HHH. Maybe he wants to one up HBK and beat Taker too. Something along those lines.

[PeterHilton]

I think having the title unification match at Wrestlemania could be huge if they build it right. I am already hoping for Cena vs Taker or HHH vs Taker. If this is Takers last WM then I want it to be Cena. If he has one more in him after this one then I want this to be HHH. Maybe he wants to one up HBK and beat Taker too. Something along those lines.

Taker and Trips main eventing a WM is so 6 years ago :p

[sheepy]

Michael Cole truely is the most worthless wrestling commentator ever. "AS JR would say Stone Cold, Stone Cold.... (awkward gap).... Stone Cold!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zMPV8FjCcE

6:08 I can't stop watching this clip over and over, slowly getting more and more annoyed.

Is he truely going to be the voice of the WWE for the next 10 years??????

[1234]

Michael Cole truely is the most worthless wrestling commentator ever. "AS JR would say Stone Cold, Stone Cold.... (awkward gap).... Stone Cold!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zMPV8FjCcE

6:05 I can't stop watching this clip over and over, slowly getting more and more annoyed.

Is he truely going to be the voice of the WWE for the next 10 years??????

Watching from 6:08, with the laughing then 'OH MY GOD', I was suprisingly reminded of the double rainbow guy.

[SaySo]

Kaval WINS Kaval WINS!

[The Final Countdown]

This "attack" is a mess.

Where the hell did the pros go?

[SaySo]

This "attack" is a mess.

Where the hell did the pros go?

I notice Percy Watson was attacked by Riley. Which is a mistake.

[Comradebot]

Kaval WINS Kaval WINS!

Huzzah! Now he can go on to be the fourth most likely to succeed person in NXT history!

After Barrett, Gabriel, and Danielson, of course.

[The Final Countdown]

Huzzah! Now he can go on to be the fourth most likely to succeed person in NXT history!

After Barrett, Gabriel, and Danielson, of course.
No disagreement about Wade being at the top of the list, But do you really think Gabriel has a better chance to succeed than Danielson? Or is that more just your own preference?

[Comradebot]

Also, if anyone who books for the WWE somehow reads this, allow me to re-iterate:

We NEED Gabriel vs. Danielson in an all out, PPV-quality match. Doesn't have to be on PPV (sure they'd love to make me pay for it, though), but the match must happen. I want to know what those two can do if they're allowed to go flat out against each other. My prediction? Incredible awesomness.

[Comradebot]

No disagreement about Wade being at the top of the list, But do you really think Gabriel has a better chance to succeed than Danielson? Or is that more just your own preference?

Wasn't really in order... but thinking about it, it's a bit of a toss-up between the two. Both are incredible (INCREDIBLE) in-ring talents. Danielson is argueably the most technically sound guy in the country (argueably), and has a dazzling array of flashier moves to compliment. Gabriel is super-humanly athletic, and is one of the best cruiserweight style guys I've ever seen, despite being over six foot.

I think Danielson is a better professional, and a bit more charismatic... but looks plain while Gabriel honestly has that pretty boy look that makes teen girls swoon for him and everyone else want to slap the smirk off his face.

So yeah, it's honestly a toss-up. I don't see either carrying THE belt anytime soon, but both are very vaulable assets and I'd like to see the WWE take full advantage of them.

That said, I'd like to see them in singles competition against each other. Can't stress that enough. Maybe only smart marks would care, but I honestly believe those two may have both the skills and complimenting styles to lead to a superbly awesome match. Could be wrong, but I still want to see it.


EDIT: And to clarify, Barrett IS number one on my list. He has everything a superstar needs. Looks, entertainment, and is even a fun guy to watch in the ring (which in the WWE is mostly a bonus!) I firmly believe Nexus won't "end" until the WWE title is around his waste. World class star without a doubt.

[The Final Countdown]

Gotcha. And I completely agree; I think both guys could do very well in the 'E. I've been a huge Danielson mark for years (which should be pretty obvious, I would think.) I never really saw Gabriel before NXT, but I think he has something to offer for sure. With Danielson being removed after the tie choking incident, Gabriel has become, IMO, the 2nd most interesting part of Nexus behind Wade. I love the long pause and the blank look on his face before he hits the 450.

[Comradebot]

Gotcha. And I completely agree; I think both guys could do very well in the 'E. I've been a huge Danielson mark for years (which should be pretty obvious, I would think.) I never really saw Gabriel before NXT, but I think he has something to offer for sure. With Danielson being removed after the tie choking incident, Gabriel has become, IMO, the 2nd most interesting part of Nexus behind Wade. I love the long pause and the blank look on his face before he hits the 450.

And I did!!! I've been marking for the guy during his entire run in WWP (South Africa), where he worked as PJ Black, knew he could be a star stateside if he ever got a chance.

I need to try and get back into WWP... so hard without Gabriel, though. He was by far their best guy. That said, "The Perfect Heel" Jason Steele is one for the future. He's, get this: a former bodybuilder and professional strongman (benched 584lbs at the age of 22), and at the same time is a solid in-ring worker and brilliant on the mic (though his accent may be an issue in America). Also had a WWE tryout, but wasn't signed then (maybe in the future? Or maybe the WWE only wants one South African!).

Oh, and Tornado is awesome: he weighs about as much as Triple H and manages to springboard off ropes like Chris Jericho.... and then German suplex guys right over his head.



It's an awesome SE company with plenty of their stuff on Youtube, and I highly recommend it. Heck, gonna go watch some now.

[Comradebot]

So...


When's Gabriel gonna do this in the E?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuWwAnBLceQ

[tad091]

So...


When's Gabriel gonna do this in the E?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuWwAnBLceQ

Hopefully about the same time this rematch happens, but without the commentary.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJfUdtUvjS8&feature=related

[GruntMark]

What this mostly proves is yall should thank God for Michael Cole.

[Comradebot]

What this mostly proves is yall should thank God for Michael Cole.

Right? The WWP announcers crack me up. Especially when the woman randomly busts into whatever the local language is.


And the FCW guys are just.... yeah....

[GruntMark]

FCW is funny.

Everything looks and feels much more professional than your run of the mill small time fed.

And yet there is still like...10 people cheering.

Its a really weird disconnect.

[Prophet]

And I did!!! I've been marking for the guy during his entire run in WWP (South Africa), where he worked as PJ Black, knew he could be a star stateside if he ever got a chance.

I need to try and get back into WWP... so hard without Gabriel, though. He was by far their best guy. That said, "The Perfect Heel" Jason Steele is one for the future. He's, get this: a former bodybuilder and professional strongman (benched 584lbs at the age of 22), and at the same time is a solid in-ring worker and brilliant on the mic (though his accent may be an issue in America). Also had a WWE tryout, but wasn't signed then (maybe in the future? Or maybe the WWE only wants one South African!).

Oh, and Tornado is awesome: he weighs about as much as Triple H and manages to springboard off ropes like Chris Jericho.... and then German suplex guys right over his head.



It's an awesome SE company with plenty of their stuff on Youtube, and I highly recommend it. Heck, gonna go watch some now.

2 South Africans. FCW has a guy named Leo Kruger (better known as Ray Leppan). I only know this because FCW made a huge deal about how he'd followed Gabriel from South Africa to prove he was the one worthy of making it to the `E.

FCW is funny.

Everything looks and feels much more professional than your run of the mill small time fed.

And yet there is still like...10 people cheering.

Its a really weird disconnect.

That's true, and it's even weirder in person. I don't get to go often, but when I did go, it was bizarre. I can't really compare it to a huge event, since I've never been, but there's something unsettling about listening to a guy in the ring (Johnny Prime) wonder aloud why no one was cheering for him to escape a submission hold. The match starts, people are ruckus, and soon after, it becomes very much like a Japanese wrestling event, where you sit quietly and wait. lol

[tad091]

2 South Africans. FCW has a guy named Leo Kruger (better known as Ray Leppan). I only know this because FCW made a huge deal about how he'd followed Gabriel from South Africa to prove he was the one worthy of making it to the `E.l

He was also known as Dameon Duke in WWP. Can't wait for him to make it up from FCW. Storyline just waiting to get started.

[Comradebot]

2 South Africans. FCW has a guy named Leo Kruger (better known as Ray Leppan). I only know this because FCW made a huge deal about how he'd followed Gabriel from South Africa to prove he was the one worthy of making it to the `E.


HOLY CRAP!!! That's Dameon from WWP!!!!! Former WWP World champion and BRILLIANT on the microphone.

Like, AMAZING. Christ, how does this slip past me?

Yeah, he's a massive, massive talent. One of the best heels I've ever seen in action.

[Comradebot]

Okay, I feel bad for FCW: the black dude announcing is just bad. I started ROLLING with laughter when he busted out with, in a supremely effeminante voice, "time to tap ooouuuuuuut."

That, and the other's guy's super squeeky, Mickey Mouse-esque "ohmygosh", were highlights of their announcing skills. They're at a point where they're so bad, that I think I love them.

[Prophet]

The announcers are Byron Saxon (former sidekick to Josh Matthews on ECW) and Abraham Washington!

[GruntMark]

That's true, and it's even weirder in person. I don't get to go often, but when I did go, it was bizarre. I can't really compare it to a huge event, since I've never been, but there's something unsettling about listening to a guy in the ring (Johnny Prime) wonder aloud why no one was cheering for him to escape a submission hold. The match starts, people are ruckus, and soon after, it becomes very much like a Japanese wrestling event, where you sit quietly and wait. lol

Everyone should attend at least one major event if you are a fan.

I would suggest Wrestlemania 17.

But you are going to need a Delorean.

Or a police box.

God speed Prophet. God speed.

[Prophet]

Everyone should attend at least one major event if you are a fan.

I would suggest Wrestlemania 17.

But you are going to need a Delorean.

Or a police box.

God speed Prophet. God speed.

Might overshoot with the Delorean, and end up taking my mother to a school dance ... whereas the police box affords me trippy colors. I've made my choice. lol

The closest I ever got was an ECW event in Poughkeepsie, NY, where I told Dawn Marie I loved her, and Justin Credible almost hit me. Good times!

[Comradebot]

Everyone should attend at least one major event if you are a fan.

I would suggest Wrestlemania 17.

But you are going to need a Delorean.

Or a police box.

God speed Prophet. God speed.

MAN that was an amazing show. I'm proud to tell other wrestling fans that we were THERE, at argueably THE best WWE/F event of all time (OF ALL TIME!) Seeing Angle vs. Benoit live is a highlight of my wrestling fan-ness... other than the part where Benoit murdered some folks later. To everyone who didn't... it was amazing. The electricty in the air was palpable.

GM, we really need to go to ROH next time they're in town. Would love to see them live. WWE only if it's a PPV... a good PPV... lord knows I wouldn't want to pay money to see the last episode of RAW in person. TNA... if they bring back Scott Steiner. Any company with Scott Steiner.

I wonder when the little local company in Huntsville is holding another show... Jman is still terrified of JoJo Bravo last I checked.

[Teh_Showtime]

By god Abraham Washington sucks as a commentator

he needs to stick to his show.

[BHK1978]

Everyone should attend at least one major event if you are a fan.

I would suggest Wrestlemania 17.

But you are going to need a Delorean.

Or a police box.

God speed Prophet. God speed.

Well I attended Wrestle Mania XI and I regret it to this day.:D How anyone could think that L.T. versus Bam Bam Bigelow should headline Wrestle Mania is beyond me and it was beyond me back then when I was only 16.

[Comradebot]

Well I attended Wrestle Mania XI and I regret it to this day.:D How anyone could think that L.F.M. versus Bam Bam Johansson should headline Wrestle Mania is beyond me and it was beyond me back then when I was only 16.

Would've been better in my opinion. :cool:

[Jaysin]

May not be a big deal to some people, but I was at Unforgiven 2008 where Matt Hardy won the ECW title and Jericho won the World Heavyweight.

Also got to see Jericho vs Shawn Michaels in an amazing bout that night.

I was the one person(at least in my section) cheering for Jericho. Then when he makes the surprise entrance in the last scramble match and wins half the place suddenly loves him. I almost got punched out because I called someone a flip flopper and that John Kerry said hi.

Such a fun night.

[mike b]

Well the men are done now its time for the women to make there debut.
Im rooting for the former ring announcer on NXT but omg did you see the one girl
6Ft 9 inches tall... yikes. She can take on the guys if she can wrestle.:eek:

[dvdWarrior]

I have to say, I was kinda shocked to see that girl that's 6'9" tall. For a few minutes, the only thing I could say was "I didn't know they made them!!!!!!!!!"

Wonder what she can do in the ring?

Hate to say it, but before tonight, I don't think I knew or had really even heard of any of the new diva rookies... even the one who (they said) was a former NXT ring announcer.

I must be going slack on my internet wrestling fans skills.

[Self]

I have interest in the new NXT... but then I had interest in this last NXT, and gave up after a few weeks. All Divas seems like a cool theme. I can dig it.

[b0shey]

Oh Yeah AJ Lee for NXT season 3 i'm totally in love :D

[LoNdOn]

Oh Yeah AJ Lee for NXT season 3 i'm totally in love :D

AJ is class. I think she will be the favourite from the get go................Vickie...a pro..................wow. I suppose if she was training her rookie to be a good heel manager then that would make sense, but she has the 6'9" lass. Intresting.

Kaval winning was great.

[Self]

Vickie...a pro..................wow. I suppose if she was training her rookie to be a good heel manager then that would make sense, but she has the 6'9" lass. Interesting.

Thankfully she isn't 'training' her then. I think putting the 6'9 giant with Vickie Guerrero is a perfect fit. Vickie has needed a strong character to hide behind for a long time, really ever since she split from Edge. Vickie standing in the corner of this she-hulk could be utterly perfect. By far my favourite Rookie/Pro combination of this season.

[b0shey]

AJ is class. I think she will be the favourite from the get go.

Indeed she looks so beautiful during the introduction sequence :D

[crownsy]

Thankfully she isn't 'training' her then. I think putting the 6'9 giant with Vickie Guerrero is a perfect fit. Vickie has needed a strong character to hide behind for a long time, really ever since she split from Edge. Vickie standing in the corner of this she-hulk could be utterly perfect. By far my favourite Rookie/Pro combination of this season.

agree wholeheartedly.

I do love how the quality of pro has decreased each season though.

First season you had jericho, miz, truth, morrision ect.

2nd you had laycool and kofi i guess?

3rd season you have golddust and vickie hehe.

[James Casey]

Can I just vote for Maxine now?

And has everyone seen Primo's pic in the NXT pages? Dude looks like Carlton Banks.

[dvdWarrior]

Can't imagine what the commentary's gonna be like though... I mean, (and I'll admit I don't know any of these girls really, so I could be wrong), there doesn't seem to be an internet darling for Michael Cole to despise! NXT without that's gonna be like ECW without the OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!

Just so hard to imagine...

:o

[Tha Black Phenom]

He's probably gonna annoyingly salivate over that 6"9 towering amazon though.

Re-stating her stats/profile as much as he says "the longest running weekly episodic blah blah blah".

[TakerNGN74]

Kaval winning Season 2 was amazing and I was totally happy with it.

Season 3 should be interesting the only thing I don't like is how in some cases guys are training the female rookies. Granted in season 2 Laycool mentored Kaval and although I hated it at first he won in the end so now I don't care. To be honest I could care less about the new season of NXT although I will probably still watch it to see how it is, I can't see it being any good.

[LoNdOn]

He's probably gonna annoyingly salivate over that 6"9 towering amazon though.

Re-stating her stats/profile as much as he says "the longest running weekly episodic blah blah blah".

I actually threw my remote control accross the room about 20 mins into Raw on monday because Michael Cole said "the longest running weekly episodic show", for the 15th time. He doesn't annoy me in a good way like a heel should, instead he makes me flat out not want to watch WWE.

Please WWE, take any and all microphones away from this man. He is not only a danger to himself but he also verbally molests those who tune in.

[Comradebot]

I actually threw my remote control accross the room about 20 mins into Raw on monday because Michael Cole said "the longest running weekly episodic show", for the 15th time. He doesn't annoy me in a good way like a heel should, instead he makes me flat out not want to watch WWE.

Please WWE, take any and all microphones away from this man. He is not only a danger to himself but he also verbally molests those who tune in.

I say they replace him with Abraham Washington! Who's with me?!

[Slagaholic]

I want Abraham Washington to be the Raw GM.

[Hyde Hill]

I say they replace him with Abraham Washington! Who's with me?!

Actually replace Lawler with JBL for some reason him and Cole did work well imho. As JBL would just cut him off if he went overboard again. Still so many annoying and boring things other then Cole in the E they need to change before I watch again imo.

[Slagaholic]

The announcer situation in WWE is inexcusably bad.

[mike b]

Yea bring on the girlsssssss.

Everyone vote for the former ring anouncer;)

[Vladamire Dracos]

For those wondering, the 6'9" Giantess who debuted worked the indy scene as Isis The Amazon. She's a former Northwest Wrestling Alliance (NWWA) Heavyweight Champion up here in Oregon (She's from NV from what I understand). Yes, she wrestled guys as well as girls and isn't half bad in the ring. :D

[stratusfaction]

I'm voting for AJ Lee all the way. She is the best wrestler out of them all. Aksana is pretty but she reminds me to much like Maryse.

Jaime Keyes is a natural when it comes to the mic it will be interested to see how she is in the ring.

Maxine (karlee perez) is also a natural on the mic

Alouisa (Isis The Amazon) is not pretty and doesn't have the it factor. I've seen alot of her work on youtube and I will say I'm not impressed at all she reminds me of Linda Miles (Shaniqua) and Rhaka Khan. Tall and nothing else...

I'm hoping Naomi Night goes first followed by Alouisa, Aksana, Maxine, Jaime Keyes and then the winner will be AJ LEE!

[Stennick]

I don't know a single one of these girls but since women's wrestling interests me very little I will most likely continue to not know who any of these girls are.

I think its interesting they didn't put some indy darling in here like Sara Del Ray or someone like. I think it would be awesome to put Sara Del Ray with Lay Cool (I know they were just on just an example) and watch the internet explode like Miz/Daniel Bryan.

Speaking of what what is Daniel up to since debuting at Summerslam? I've not heard his name in a while.

[ChrisKid]

Don't really care who wins season 3 cos i don't watch women wrestling

[LoNdOn]

I don't know a single one of these girls but since women's wrestling interests me very little I will most likely continue to not know who any of these girls are.

I think its interesting they didn't put some indy darling in here like Sara Del Ray or someone like. I think it would be awesome to put Sara Del Ray with Lay Cool (I know they were just on just an example) and watch the internet explode like Miz/Daniel Bryan.

Speaking of what what is Daniel up to since debuting at Summerslam? I've not heard his name in a while.

He got jumped by the MIz on RAW. He then jumped the Mon another occassion and he and Kaval teamed together on RAW and Kaval was pinned by The Miz.

Not gonna lie, when I saw they had teamed Kaval with Bryan I creamed myself.

[Stennick]

So then its a Miz/Bryan storyline? Whats the base for the story? Are they just picking up where they left off in June?

[Vladamire Dracos]

Isis The Amazon promo from a few months back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4sPHHOVbo)

Thought some of you guys who've never seen her before would be interested in this, a training montage/promo on local uber-heel Wade "By God" Hess.

[crownsy]

So then its a Miz/Bryan storyline? Whats the base for the story? Are they just picking up where they left off in June?

That plus the disrespect at summerslam.

After Miz's absolutely epic summerslam promo, they are playing up that him being shown up by Bryan coming out and taking his spot after that really embarrassed him in front of the entire PVP audience.

But they are also splicing in the old NXT fued. Bryan has taken some pretty good bumps with the case (first one was a SCF face first into it that Bryan made look very good, last nights was a uppercut that Bryan again did a good job selling like it hit him right under the chin) with Miz alternating his trash talk between "Welcome back/Should have stayed gone" and "you think your better than me?/ can embarrass me and get away with it?" veins.

Been a good fued so far and it's clearly leading to a shot at the US title for Bryan at NOC, there not even being subtle about it. I'm all for it, like to see Miz lose that belt (he doesn't need it, between his promo's and improving in ring ability he's already way to over for that belt) and it would be a nice boost to Bryan.

Overall i think it's been a nice use of both guys by creative, It's a simple, safe storyline but is giving both guys a good push. Bryan is getting time with one of the rising stars on raw and a rub by association, and Miz is continuing to build up his mo' with some good visceral promo's and matches.

[Stennick]

I want to see the title on Miz.

[Jaysin]

I want to see the title on Miz.

I'd agree if someone stapled Cole's mouth shut or fired him

[crownsy]

I want to see the title on Miz.


I think thats a given if he keeps up this quality of heel work. thats why i want him to lose the US title, no need for him to have that and the case.

He's really shut me up, two years ago when they split him and JM up, i really though the miz was going to be a midcarder at best, but he's the miz, and he's AWWWWEEESSSSOMMME :D

gotta give the devil his due.

[crownsy]

Also, Vickie aside, am I the only one that is insanely happy that Dolph has the IC title?

Dolph can really go in the ring, and deserved this title a year ago when he was super hot momentum wise in his fued with rey. Huge thumbs down to rey for reportedly refusing to drop the title to him and then giving it to jomo for kicks.

Only problem is smackdown is so heel heavy in the midcard/upper midcard that they have to drag this kofi fued out because Christan and matt are busy.

I like Kofi, and the matches have been good but how many flipping rematches is he going to get?

But hold it as long as you can Dolph, im glad my having to suffer through the spirit squad gave me something worth watching.

[ChrisKid]

NXT made no sense at the end Alex Riley came out helping Lucky Cannon and those lot then atacked Percy Watson then they double teamed on Kaval about 2 minutes later :confused:

[critical-23]

I'll say it again: I wanna have Tamina's baby!!!:D:D:D

[Prophet]

WWE Pro Vickie Guerrero has fired her NXT season three Rookie Diva, Aloisia.

Various sources are reporting that Guerrero, the temperamental Official Consultant of SmackDown, had an argument with her 6-foot-9 Rookie Diva over Vickie’s influence over Aloisia.

The news has left WWE NXT season three shaken before it’s even started. But when reached for comment, Guerrero stated she would reveal her new Rookie Diva on the WWE NXT season three premiere this Tuesday night at 10 p.m. ET on Syfy.

Ha ha, take that, interest in season 3 of NXT!

I'm perplexed by this recent development, as I don't see any benefit from taking the "fascinating" diva out of the lineup. If this is a storyline, that is.

[SaySo]

NXT made no sense at the end Alex Riley came out helping Lucky Cannon and those lot then atacked Percy Watson then they double teamed on Kaval about 2 minutes later :confused:

I know. Here is the errors below.

http://imgur.com/kmjlK.gif

[supershot]

I know. Here is the errors below.

http://imgur.com/kmjlK.gif

That was the most confusing brawl I've ever witnessed.

[1234]

Ha ha, take that, interest in season 3 of NXT!

I'm perplexed by this recent development, as I don't see any benefit from taking the "fascinating" diva out of the lineup. If this is a storyline, that is.

I think its Kayfabe by the way it is being reported, and Isis will come back and take out whoever Vickie chooses as her rookie, although I could be wrong.

I know. Here is the errors below.

http://imgur.com/kmjlK.gif

Riley dun goofed.

[supershot]

Riley dun goofed.

You got that right! I have no idea how you could possible make that screw up.

[supershot]

spoiler:

He called him JBL! :D

[LoNdOn]

I know. Here is the errors below.

http://imgur.com/kmjlK.gif

My thought process when watching........

Huh, didn't see the jump on Kaval coming.........Maybe this is Nexus part 2..........here comes the cavalry........hang on......why is Riley beating up on Percy?.........Why has Percy not nipped this in the bud and told him he is messing up.........this is the blind leading the blind..........still taking it to Percy....threw him out the ring...........they're standing next to each other like they are allies?......(insert 10 minutes of hysterical laughter).........Alex Riley IS awesome.......what a joke!

[supershot]

My thought process when watching........

Huh, didn't see the jump on Kaval coming.........Maybe this is Nexus part 2..........here comes the cavalry........hang on......why is Riley beating up on Percy?.........Why has Percy not nipped this in the bud and told him he is messing up.........this is the blind leading the blind..........still taking it to Percy....threw him out the ring...........they're standing next to each other like they are allies?......(insert 10 minutes of hysterical laughter).........Alex Riley IS awesome.......what a joke!

On top of that.. it was REALLY sloppy brawling.

[dvdWarrior]

I've said often that the Season 2 rookies, (except Kaval maybe) could be a Nexus for SmackDown!. They could call them 'Genesis' or whatever young Mister Magillicutty had said.

Superstars is gonna be the real winner in all of this: its Nexus is gonna be divas!!!!!!!!

:eek::eek::eek:

[Tha Black Phenom]

If anyone saw SmackDown!, CM Punk made Luke Gallows Go To Sleep after they lost a 2-on-1 handicap against the Big Show. So it looks like the end of SES, sadly. I just wonder if Punk is gonna move on to bigger things. He has a new look anyway and it looks good on him.

Kane/Taker segment was cool also(unless you're just not a fan of supernatural schtick), sorta takes you back 10 years. Swagger's V.I.P lounge was cool too. Too many canned reactions! God, that just partly ruins the moment for me.

[SaySo]

Swagger Sr and Jr versus Cena Sr and Jr is a dream match of mine.

[djthefunkchris]

Swagger Sr and Jr versus Cena Sr and Jr is a dream match of mine.

I'm waiting for someone to jump in and tick of Swagger myself. I just don't see him staying a Heel for much longer. I think in all honesty, unless they are happy with his position right now, that he's gone about as far as he can go as a heel. Interested to see how far he can go as a face.

MVP on the other hand, I think was turned to quickly. I didn't think so at the time, but right now I feel like he would have been better off as a heel. Not a good time to turn him into a heel right now, but I can definately see a heel, then face turn later down the road helping him out more.

Still say Cena needs to turn heel to bring him back into a somewhat interesting role.

CM Punk is awesome right now. I don't care what he does, would like to see him get into it with a few people to be honest... One heel, and one Face. Don't turn him, just let it happen naturally, and make him more feared in the future.

EDIT: On a side note, interesting to see the WWE thread passing the TNA thread.

[Hyde Hill]

I'm waiting for someone to jump in and tick of Swagger myself. I just don't see him staying a Heel for much longer. I think in all honesty, unless they are happy with his position right now, that he's gone about as far as he can go as a heel. Interested to see how far he can go as a face.

MVP on the other hand, I think was turned to quickly. I didn't think so at the time, but right now I feel like he would have been better off as a heel. Not a good time to turn him into a heel right now, but I can definately see a heel, then face turn later down the road helping him out more.

Still say Cena needs to turn heel to bring him back into a somewhat interesting role.

CM Punk is awesome right now. I don't care what he does, would like to see him get into it with a few people to be honest... One heel, and one Face. Don't turn him, just let it happen naturally, and make him more feared in the future.

EDIT: On a side note, interesting to see the WWE thread passing the TNA thread.

Views yes. Posts nope. It is catching up though.

[djthefunkchris]

Views yes. Posts nope. It is catching up though.

I was subtracting about 400 off your 700 pluss posts there, lol.

[Hyde Hill]

I was subtracting about 400 off your 700 pluss posts there, lol.

ROFLMOA!:D

And BTW I actually watched Smackdown. Apart from Christian's opening promo and Punk's facials it was snore imo.

[djthefunkchris]

ROFLMOA!:D

And BTW I actually watched Smackdown. Apart from Christian's opening promo and Punk's facials it was snore imo.

Ah, you mean you didn't like the Hornswaggle bit? I thought that was the best part of the show.

In all honesty, I was hoping to see an awesome promo from Kane, but I was let down more then anything. He can do it, just he does that stupid laugh in between that sounds forced, almost to say to whomever wrote the script "I told you it wouldn't sound right like that!" I know it's not in him to think like that, but it really does for the most part sound forced instead of evil, like the intent I'm sure.

My other comments in the other post, was about the show and where it looks like they are from here (haven't been keeping up with it really, but try when I'm home).

[ampulator]

I'm waiting for someone to jump in and tick of Swagger myself. I just don't see him staying a Heel for much longer. I think in all honesty, unless they are happy with his position right now, that he's gone about as far as he can go as a heel. Interested to see how far he can go as a face.

MVP on the other hand, I think was turned to quickly. I didn't think so at the time, but right now I feel like he would have been better off as a heel. Not a good time to turn him into a heel right now, but I can definately see a heel, then face turn later down the road helping him out more.

Still say Cena needs to turn heel to bring him back into a somewhat interesting role.

CM Punk is awesome right now. I don't care what he does, would like to see him get into it with a few people to be honest... One heel, and one Face. Don't turn him, just let it happen naturally, and make him more feared in the future.

EDIT: On a side note, interesting to see the WWE thread passing the TNA thread.
The thing is, unlike the Attitude Era with Kurt Angle, the "All-American" gimmick doesn' generate heel heat. Now, Swagger himsefl can,but it is despite his gimmick, not because of it.

[djthefunkchris]

The thing is, unlike the Attitude Era with Kurt Angle, the "All-American" gimmick doesn' generate heel heat. Now, Swagger himsefl can,but it is despite his gimmick, not because of it.

This is going to sound funny, but when I read your post I couldn't help but to think this way.. Apples and Oranges to me..

Angle has a "Swagger" about him that "Swagger" doesn't have. Kurt just has a way, probably experience, at being so at ease that he comes off more natural then most people ever will. I think Kurt could probably be a great actor, in this reguard.

Swagger on the other hand is probably a little too green, doesn't seem to be as at ease with his character as Kurt is. If I'm not mistaken, he even messed up the line "All American, American" before. I'm almost certain he said MPP lounge instead of MVP lounge Friday as well. Just nerve's more then anything, but does better in my opinion by himself then with someone else.... Of course someone like MVP who is more at ease on the mic then most, helps more then hurts, but even MVP shows signs of being a bit green.

In other words, the biggest difference in my eyes is that Kurt will figure a way out to fix a mistake, without a pause. There are alot of guys in WWE that sound great, but when a mistake happens they don't look like they're sure what to do about it. Kurt would just rebound "I think you meant to say ____, and if you did, let me tell you!" Would sound like it was meant to happen.

[Jaysin]

I'd much rather them go back to pushing MVP and Swagger fades off into oblivion.

MVP for world champ!

[Moe Hunter]

I think Kurt could probably be a great actor, in this regard.
I do believe Kurt has been in the process of shooting a film lately (he tweeted it's the reason he's growing his hair out again). Don't know anything about the project, hopefully something worth watching!

[Hyde Hill]

I think he has already been in one hasn't he?

[djthefunkchris]

I'd much rather them go back to pushing MVP and Swagger fades off into oblivion.

MVP for world champ!

In my opinion... And if you care to go look, I was one of MVP's strongest supporters a good while ago, He's not ready though.

You have to have your Swaggers in my opinion though. You have to have people that make other's stand out. A boring person standing beside someone that isn't as boring brings the other person out more. Someone that might not stand out if you put them beside someone that is never boring. This also works both ways... Putting someone that stands out, and is very interesting beside someone boring gives the boring person a rub..

It's like a handshake. You have to have different types to build up others. If everyone is AMAZING, then you end up with no one sticking out.

[ampulator]

This is going to sound funny, but when I read your post I couldn't help but to think this way.. Apples and Oranges to me..

Angle has a "Swagger" about him that "Swagger" doesn't have. Kurt just has a way, probably experience, at being so at ease that he comes off more natural then most people ever will. I think Kurt could probably be a great actor, in this reguard.

Swagger on the other hand is probably a little too green, doesn't seem to be as at ease with his character as Kurt is. If I'm not mistaken, he even messed up the line "All American, American" before. I'm almost certain he said MPP lounge instead of MVP lounge Friday as well. Just nerve's more then anything, but does better in my opinion by himself then with someone else.... Of course someone like MVP who is more at ease on the mic then most, helps more then hurts, but even MVP shows signs of being a bit green.

In other words, the biggest difference in my eyes is that Kurt will figure a way out to fix a mistake, without a pause. There are alot of guys in WWE that sound great, but when a mistake happens they don't look like they're sure what to do about it. Kurt would just rebound "I think you meant to say ____, and if you did, let me tell you!" Would sound like it was meant to happen.
Kurt Angle is a extremely rare case of just doing well on the mic, almost nearly from the start. They pretty much threw him out there on the mic, with very little training on the mic. There also was no indication before hand that he would do so well. Hell, not even the Rock was THAT good when he started. He got to be the Rock only after a serious gimmick change. Angle practically was given a mic, and what he said became silver. A one of kind worker. Only Ken Shamrock mirrors Kurt Angle in terms of learning how to do matches as fast, but almost no one else has learned to talk on the mic as faster Kurt Angle, except maybe Dos Caras Jr.

Then the problem isn't Swagger's gimmick, it's his comfortability on the mic. I actually don't mind his mic work, but It's neither bad or good. It's just there.

And he just doesn't strike me as a natural heel, at least not in an All-American gimmick. It just doesn't work in the current non-edgy WWE. He either has turn Face, or change his gimmick.

However, I think his gimmick fits... I don't think his disposition fits his gmmick, though. He certainly doesn't have the mic work to back up such a contrast.

As for MVP, he's alright. The problem is, like with Mark Henry, WWE does these weird stop-start pushes with them, so no one emotionally invests anything into them.

I still recall Mark Henry beating AND pinning RANDY ORTON clean. Now look where Randy Orton is, and then look where Mark Henry is. A waste opportunity.

[Jaysin]

Few things because I don't feel like quoting people :)

Angle has already made a movie that was released direct to DVD. He has a ton of other moves in post production and I think he's filming another one now.

I've never made it a secret about my disdain for Swagger. He is insanely boring in the ring and on the mic. I don't get the big deal or the attraction to him. Honestly, I think he's one of those people the internet fans like just because they aren't supposed too, but whatever.

and on MVP. In my opinion(and how I booked it in TEW), MVP's losing streak should have ended with him winning something huge, like the Rumble or a qualifier for MITB. That streak got him so over and the crowd really got behind him. They botched his push so bad and when they moved him to Raw it was even worse.

I honestly doubt we'll ever see him as world champion unless he leaves WWE and goes to TNA or ROH and wins their title. I'm not saying WWE is racist or anything, but Booker T is the only black man to hold a world title in WWE and Ron Killings is the only black man to be a former world champion in WWE(he won the NWA title in TNA).

I'm not accusing them of being racist, I've just come to except them to not put the belts on certain people. I really don't think they're racist at all.

[djthefunkchris]

Few things because I don't feel like quoting people :)

Angle has already made a movie that was released direct to DVD. He has a ton of other moves in post production and I think he's filming another one now.

I've never made it a secret about my disdain for Swagger. He is insanely boring in the ring and on the mic. I don't get the big deal or the attraction to him. Honestly, I think he's one of those people the internet fans like just because they aren't supposed too, but whatever.

and on MVP. In my opinion(and how I booked it in TEW), MVP's losing streak should have ended with him winning something huge, like the Rumble or a qualifier for MITB. That streak got him so over and the crowd really got behind him. They botched his push so bad and when they moved him to Raw it was even worse.

I honestly doubt we'll ever see him as world champion unless he leaves WWE and goes to TNA or ROH and wins their title. I'm not saying WWE is racist or anything, but Booker T is the only black man to hold a world title in WWE and Ron Killings is the only black man to be a former world champion in WWE(he won the NWA title in TNA).

I'm not accusing them of being racist, I've just come to except them to not put the belts on certain people. I really don't think they're racist at all.

The Rock?

Anyways, the thing about Swagger is that he definately can wrestle. Like it or not, his grappling is what actual wrestling is.

Don't get me wrong though, I like my Jeff hardy's as much as anyone else. Just saying that I can't suspend disbelief when I see the spot fests most people find to be "entertaining" or "Exciting!". I do like to see it though, and I like it more when it makes sense, instead of actually seeing the setup ahead of time. However, a real grappler like Swagger would wipe the "mat" so to speak, with TNA and WWE rosters, in a real (meaning, not pre-planned) match. I'd love to see him and Kurt Angle do a match together to be honest. Hoping one of them jumps ship, lol.

[SaySo]

The Rock?

Anyways, the thing about Swagger is that he definately can wrestle. Like it or not, his grappling is what actual wrestling is.

Don't get me wrong though, I like my Jeff hardy's as much as anyone else. Just saying that I can't suspend disbelief when I see the spot fests most people find to be "entertaining" or "Exciting!". I do like to see it though, and I like it more when it makes sense, instead of actually seeing the setup ahead of time. However, a real grappler like Swagger would wipe the "mat" so to speak, with TNA and WWE rosters, in a real (meaning, not pre-planned) match. I'd love to see him and Kurt Angle do a match together to be honest. Hoping one of them jumps ship, lol.

Only if Angle agrees to extensive drug testing, then count me in.

[Jaysin]

The Rock?

Anyways, the thing about Swagger is that he definately can wrestle. Like it or not, his grappling is what actual wrestling is.

Don't get me wrong though, I like my Jeff hardy's as much as anyone else. Just saying that I can't suspend disbelief when I see the spot fests most people find to be "entertaining" or "Exciting!". I do like to see it though, and I like it more when it makes sense, instead of actually seeing the setup ahead of time. However, a real grappler like Swagger would wipe the "mat" so to speak, with TNA and WWE rosters, in a real (meaning, not pre-planned) match. I'd love to see him and Kurt Angle do a match together to be honest. Hoping one of them jumps ship, lol.

The Rock didn't "look" black. He looked like a muscle head Samoan. I don't care that Swagger can "wrestle", he's just boring. Hennig, Angle, Bret Hart, they actually wrestled but they were/are entertaining!

And them trying to build him into the second coming of Kurt Angle makes it even worse. They're even obvious about it, the ankle lock...really? Is he going to start doing the Olympic Slam next?

[Slagaholic]

No silly! He'll be doing the All-American Slam!

[SeanMcFly]

So Aloisa, or Isis the Amazon being released? Thoughts? or did I already miss that discussion :p

[Self]

I'm assuming she's just out of NXT. She was signed relatively recently, and someone probably got over-excited about the prospect of a 6'9 rookie, and jumped the gun. Chances are she needs to work down in FCW for a while.

I'm looking forward to her though. The freak factor is off the charts. She's different, and I like different.

[jwt13]

So Aloisa, or Isis the Amazon being released? Thoughts? or did I already miss that discussion :p

I think it was all storyline because what I saw said Vikki fired her from NXT for sure shes not truely released

[Johnny Fenoli]

The Anvil's behind the steel bars... http://www.gerweck.net/2010/09/05/hart-family-member-arrested/

[SaySo]

WWE headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut is undergoing a slight renovation as an office is being built for Paul “Triple H” Levesque, who was recently promoted to an executive role within the organization.

According to a company source, the multi-time wrestling champion now officially serves as WWE Chairman Vince McMahon’s creative advisor.

While Triple H has had Vince’s ear for the past several years, it was always in an unofficial capacity. From this point forward, he will have a much more authoritative voice in regards to the company’s creative direction and its many performers.

[dvdWarrior]

WWE headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut is undergoing a slight renovation as an office is being built for Paul “Triple H” Levesque, who was recently promoted to an executive role within the organization.

According to a company source, the multi-time wrestling champion now officially serves as WWE Chairman Vince McMahon’s creative advisor.

While Triple H has had Vince’s ear for the past several years, it was always in an unofficial capacity. From this point forward, he will have a much more authoritative voice in regards to the company’s creative direction and its many performers.

I kinda like this. Triple H is a wrestler, and so will probably do a lot right for the company's creative end, at least from a wrestling perspective, (no idea on storylines). This could be good.

Plus, it kinda helps fiction become reality - Hulk Hogan rose to power in TNA, (Sam Strong in USPW), and now Triple H in WWE, (Tommy Cornell in HGC/TCW).

Of course, I could be wrong.

:)

Also, this might not be the right place to post it, but it kind of IS a WWE thing, so I'll post it here anyway. In the 'Shorties' compartment on WWE Classics On Demand, there's a cool little match from an early King Of The Ring PPV, Shawn Michaels (w/Diesel) vs. Crush. Now, if they had simply shown the match, I would have watched it, saying "hey look! a match between HBK and Crush! this could be fun!" and everything would have been fine. But, oh noooooooooooooo!!!! Thanks to The Miz, and his fantastic mic skills, I spent the match going, "OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THAT MULLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Thanks a lot, Miz!

:p

[ampulator]

The Rock didn't "look" black. He looked like a muscle head Samoan. I don't care that Swagger can "wrestle", he's just boring. Hennig, Angle, Bret Hart, they actually wrestled but they were/are entertaining!

And them trying to build him into the second coming of Kurt Angle makes it even worse. They're even obvious about it, the ankle lock...really? Is he going to start doing the Olympic Slam next?
He's not the second coming of Kurt Angle. His entertainment skills are nowhere near Kurt's, even when Kurt started. Kurt Angle also learned ring psychology rather quickly, something that hasn't been done... well, ever. By the time he had his classics with Chris Benoit, his ring psychology could keep up, if it wasn't as good as, with Benoit's.

Plus, Kurt's All American gimmick was the anti-thesis of the Attitude Era, something they used to make him a good heel. Swagger's All American gimmick doesn't have a hostile crowd. They like the gimmick, but dislike the person. If Swagger was a face, it would do better.

[MrCanada]

The Rock didn't "look" black. He looked like a muscle head Samoan. I don't care that Swagger can "wrestle", he's just boring. Hennig, Angle, Bret Hart, they actually wrestled but they were/are entertaining!

And them trying to build him into the second coming of Kurt Angle makes it even worse. They're even obvious about it, the ankle lock...really? Is he going to start doing the Olympic Slam next?

And Kurt Angle was just a Ken Shamrock rip off.

[The Shape]

And Kurt Angle was just a Ken Shamrock rip off.

How? Admittedly I didn't see much of Shamrock but Ken was the world's most dangerous man, a legit bad ass, Angle was a nerdy amateur wrestler preaching the 3 I's and drinking milk. They both had some form of legit background but it in no way makes them the same.

[crownsy]

How? Admittedly I didn't see much of Shamrock but Ken was the world's most dangerous man, a legit bad ass, Angle was a nerdy amateur wrestler preaching the 3 I's and drinking milk. They both had some form of legit background but it in no way makes them the same.

I think he was more commenting on the fact that Vince seems to love the ankle lock finisher and it gets passed down to the next "legitimate" crossover athlete once the previous one leaves.

Shamrock got it for his MMA background

Then Kurt got it and they pretended no one had used it before.

Now Swagger is using it and they pretend it's the next cool thing and no one used it before.

Seems like if you have a legit Amature Wrestling/MMA background, you are contractually required to use the ankle lock as your submission :P

[The Celt]

@Jaysin To be fair to the WWE I think Vince would have loved to have made Bobby Lashley a real top guy if he stuck around. I mean, cast you're minds back to when Lashley was ECW Champion; Vince was personally fueding with the guy with backup from Shane and Umaga. Also, wasn't Lashley going to fued with Cena on RAW only that Lashley picked up an injury just at the wrong time?

[The Shape]

I think he was more commenting on the fact that Vince seems to love the ankle lock finisher and it gets passed down to the next "legitimate" crossover athlete once the previous one leaves.

Shamrock got it for his MMA background

Then Kurt got it and they pretended no one had used it before.

Now Swagger is using it and they pretend it's the next cool thing and no one used it before.

Seems like if you have a legit Amature Wrestling/MMA background, you are contractually required to use the ankle lock as your submission :P

Ah right lol didn't think about that :D

[Jaysin]

@Jaysin To be fair to the WWE I think Vince would have loved to have made Bobby Lashley a real top guy if he stuck around. I mean, cast you're minds back to when Lashley was ECW Champion; Vince was personally fueding with the guy with backup from Shane and Umaga. Also, wasn't Lashley going to fued with Cena on RAW only that Lashley picked up an injury just at the wrong time?

I was about to bring that up. I wish Lashley wouldn't have gone to MMA, I quite liked him.

[Hyde Hill]

Ah right lol didn't think about that :D

Too bad Lesnar and Lashley and Shelton and Steiners and Haas didn't use it:p

[The Shape]

Too bad Lesnar and Lashley and Shelton and Steiners and Haas didn't use it:p

Well that'd just be overkill :cool:

[Stennick]

So what are the chances that Shawn Michaels owns his own name? He's been using it since 1983 at the very least. That being said the Dudley Boyz were using their name ten years or so before they were in the WWE and that name was copywrighted. I doubt Vince would have let Shawn do everything he's done without owning that name. Maybe I'm wrong and I know his name is Michael Shawn Hickombottom but thats not grounds for legally using the name. That being said what if he made that his real name? I'm almost certain even if thats his real name he couldn't use it as a stage name if the WWE had it copywrighted.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

So what are the chances that Shawn Michaels owns his own name? He's been using it since 1983 at the very least. That being said the Dudley Boyz were using their name ten years or so before they were in the WWE and that name was copywrighted. I doubt Vince would have let Shawn do everything he's done without owning that name. Maybe I'm wrong and I know his name is Michael Shawn Hickombottom but thats not grounds for legally using the name. That being said what if he made that his real name? I'm almost certain even if thats his real name he couldn't use it as a stage name if the WWE had it copywrighted.

If he changed his name to that before he used in WWE maybe. But if he changed afterwards WWE probably could copyright it. I don't know, I'd say he probably owns it himself.

[lazorbeak]

So what are the chances that Shawn Michaels owns his own name? He's been using it since 1983 at the very least. That being said the Dudley Boyz were using their name ten years or so before they were in the WWE and that name was copywrighted. I doubt Vince would have let Shawn do everything he's done without owning that name. Maybe I'm wrong and I know his name is Michael Shawn Hickombottom but thats not grounds for legally using the name. That being said what if he made that his real name? I'm almost certain even if thats his real name he couldn't use it as a stage name if the WWE had it copywrighted.

WWE maintains 4 trademarks for "Shawn Michaels" including clothing, games, packaging, and "wrestling exhibitions and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer," so yes, WWE owns the rights to the name.

I've mentioned it elsewhere but figuring out what trademarks are living and dead can easily be looked up at: http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp

[dvdWarrior]

I was about to bring that up. I wish Lashley wouldn't have gone to MMA, I quite liked him.

I just saw his most recent fight in Strikeforce, (or is it Strike Force?). I have a sneaking suspicion that Lashley currently wishes he hadn't gone to MMA too.

:o

[ampulator]

And Kurt Angle was just a Ken Shamrock rip off.
Actually, he wasn't and isn't. That's like saying Lance Storm is a Chris Benoit ripoff.

There are a lot of similarities. Both have hidden charisma (though Kurt had a lot more, and better mic skills to boot0. Both learned pro-wrestling at an insanely quick level. Both were extremely athletic by pro-wrestling standards. Both were able to wrestle with the best and learn and become EVEN better for it. Both were able to "be" their gimmicks.

However, Kurt Angle doesn't do Crazy all that well, while Shamrock could do Crazy easily. When it came to Hardcore stuff, Shamrock was a lot more believable. Shamrock also looked better at the "punch/kicky" stuff.

It's a shame that Shamrock left right before Angle came in. A match between those do could have been pretty good.

[The Shape]

However, Kurt Angle doesn't do Crazy all that well

You think so? I loved it when he snapped and could barely speak, just trembled and said WRESTLING MACHINE a lot :D

[ampulator]

I liked it, but I still think it came off as... forced. It didn't feel like it was Angle.

That being said, he did do Crazy better later on. Not the best, and not certainly on Shamrock's level... If he did early his career, it would have been bad.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Didn't I watch this episode last week?

[Johnny Fenoli]

Wade Barrett really comes out looking far superior to the other Nexus members. All of them seem so akward on the mic.

Also.... when is John Janetty going to turn heel, with his new heel beard?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

The road to awesome!:D

JoMo's beard is pretty badass.

[Johnny Fenoli]

The road to awesome!:D

JoMo's beard is pretty badass.

That should be his heel gimmick... "None of you have a beard like me..."

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Either that or just form a tag team with Eli and they can do the beard and 'tache thing together.

I see Edge is sportin' a good one too.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Either that or just form a tag team with Eli and they can do the beard and 'tache thing together.

I see Edge is sportin' a good one too.

are you suggesting a stable? :eek:

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Its about time we had a sensible one. Enough of this Nexus/SES nonsense. Can you think of a better storyline stable?

[supershot]

I hate smarks. Cena finally starts some mat wrestling and they pick THIS moment to start the "lets go Cena! Cena sucks! chant...

:mad:

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Only a limited number of theaters have the privilege to show this movie. lol nice way to spin it

[SaySo]

At least Cena will have his name on the DVD cover. Did Batista last movie with guest appearance from RVD make it to the theaters?

Those smarks are annoying. They are the reason why ppl don't flock to their favorite promotions. Elite-fandom only leads to ECW like promotions that goes up in hype, must go down in bankruptcy.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Its about time we had a sensible one. Enough of this Nexus/SES nonsense. Can you think of a better storyline stable?

People will never get satisfied with stables...

[jjohns44]

I'll have to admit Miz is a little mediocre in ring skills but he plays his part very well. Daniel Bryan is cool, the mic skills were a little choppy though but I liked his work tonight!

[SaySo]

Miz botch the word "smackdown", should've been summerslam.

[Tha Black Phenom]

You have no idea how much I wanted Edge to smash that laptop.

[SaySo]

Tha Black Phenom, but it will be replaced with a text message.

Please, can i have your attention. I just received a text message from the general manager.

[supershot]

Solution.. we'll kidnap Cole. Two birds with 1 stone!

:p

lmao @ JMO and Jericho segment!

[Teh_Showtime]

They should have replaced Jericho with Morrison if they aren't

now would be a great time to build up another strong Face seing as how Sheamus has spent the entire year feduing with Orton, HHH, or Cena

remember when he had 2 clean wins over Punk when Ounk was WHC? And one over Jeff

[supershot]

They should have replaced Jericho with Morrison if they aren't

now would be a great time to build up another strong Face seing as how Sheamus has spent the entire year feduing with Orton, HHH, or Cena

remember when he had 2 clean wins over Punk when Ounk was WHC? And one over Jeff

To me he feels like he forces himself on the mic. It always feels like he tries to remember a script word for word. The segment with Jericho was good, but it was only a few words.

Thats my two cents

[TheEdgeOfReason]

LMAO the commentary has been gold so far :D hahaha

[supershot]

Apparently Sheamus didn't have a match tonight because they didn't have any white balance on the cameras!

Who would have guessed? :rolleyes:

Edit: who doesn't get RKO'd these days? He feels more an more like Stone Cold every week.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Orton in SvR11 should be the only superstar to hold stored finishers.

Yeah, I think they're creating a Stunner mantra with it now. Flurry of Stunners, flurry of RKOs.

[supershot]

Orton in SvR11 should be the only superstar to hold stored finishers.

What about Edge?

[Prophet]

I'm not a big fan of the flurry of finishes, but what's the deal with Orton looking like he's getting tazed in the tookus everytime he drops someone?

Maybe it's just me, but he seems less dangerous with that weirdo twitch thing going on.

[Slagaholic]

He's slithering like a snake! He's the VIPER!

[Linsolv]

I'm not a big fan of the flurry of finishes, but what's the deal with Orton looking like he's getting tazed in the tookus everytime he drops someone?

Maybe it's just me, but he seems less dangerous with that weirdo twitch thing going on.

Are you talking about before, or after? Because his whole ceremony-thing before the RKO seems to add to it. On the other hand, the bit he does where he leaps to his feet and clutches at his face is kinda weird.

[Tha Black Phenom]

What about Edge?

Well.. maybe, but flurries of spears are a tad less frequent. And there's already a non-finisher running version of it, so :p

I get ya Prophet, it's weird indeed - I guess he's just trying to sell the "fire" he's feeling after laying everyone out.

[Prophet]

Are you talking about before, or after? Because his whole ceremony-thing before the RKO seems to add to it. On the other hand, the bit he does where he leaps to his feet and clutches at his face is kinda weird.

The aftermath. The build up is great. With the whole viper persona, when he's down on the mat, thumping his fists, before that quickstrike RKO, it's genius. It's a cobra snap. Then he rolls into a pin, gets up, and starts ... dancing like the Jackson 5 is stuck in his head. And all that work goes for naught, `cause he looks doofy. lol

I get ya Prophet, it's weird indeed - I guess he's just trying to sell the "fire" he's feeling after laying everyone out.

I guess. Or it's the "viper slither" like Slag said ... it's just so difficult to take Michael Cole seriously. Ever, really. But when he calls Randy the Apex Predator, while the man is doing an awkward version of the Truffle Shuffle.

(Now I'm just curious as to how many awkward comparisons to Orton's shimmy-shake I can make. lol)

[shamelessposer]

I guess. Or it's the "viper slither" like Slag said ... it's just so difficult to take Michael Cole seriously. Ever, really. But when he calls Randy the Apex Predator, while the man is doing an awkward version of the Truffle Shuffle.

If Randy Orton is an apex predator, does that mean that removing him from the roster would cause the ecosystem to be flooded with Evan Bournes?

[LoNdOn]

If Randy Orton is an apex predator, does that mean that removing him from the roster would cause the ecosystem to be flooded with Evan Bournes?

:D Very droll.

[brashleyholland]

I was about to bring that up. I wish Lashley wouldn't have gone to MMA, I quite liked him.

Don't worry, you'll have him back soon :-p

[brashleyholland]

Only Ken Shamrock mirrors Kurt Angle in terms of learning how to do matches as fast

Ken was a pro-wrestler long before he became famous from Pancrase and the UFC though. He started in 1988 in the US (remember that story about him getting beaten up by The Nasty Boys?), before going to Japan and learning 'shoot-style' and eventually doing a legit shoot-fight before his 'MMA' debut in Pancrase in 1993. It wasn't a case of him coming to the UFC from the WWF and being a natural.

Also on the whole 'Shamrock being better at crazy' thing....Ken is a legitimately troubled and volatile person. I've been lucky enough to meet him numerous times over the years and even went through a toned-down version of the infamous Lion's Den 'breakdown' routine...he is one of the few MMA guys I've met who is legit intimidating, not because he's any tougher or scarier looking than anyone else, just because he has that thing about him where he seems like he could lose it at any second.

I guess it's a case of a guys 'real' personality making for the best character.

[critical-23]

Also on the whole 'Shamrock being better at crazy' thing....Ken is a legitimately troubled and volatile person. I've been lucky enough to meet him numerous times over the years and even went through a toned-down version of the infamous Lion's Den 'breakdown' routine...he is one of the few MMA guys I've met who is legit intimidating, not because he's any tougher or scarier looking than anyone else, just because he has that thing about him where he seems like he could lose it at any second.

I guess it's a case of a guys 'real' personality making for the best character.

To tell the truth I don't know ANY MMA fighter I wouldn't be a lil scared of, LOL.

[ampulator]

To tell the truth I don't know ANY MMA fighter I wouldn't be a lil scared of, LOL.
You're scared of Frankie Edgar or George St. Pierre?

Ken was a pro-wrestler long before he became famous from Pancrase and the UFC though. He started in 1988 in the US (remember that story about him getting beaten up by The Nasty Boys?), before going to Japan and learning 'shoot-style' and eventually doing a legit shoot-fight before his 'MMA' debut in Pancrase in 1993. It wasn't a case of him coming to the UFC from the WWF and being a natural.

Also on the whole 'Shamrock being better at crazy' thing....Ken is a legitimately troubled and volatile person. I've been lucky enough to meet him numerous times over the years and even went through a toned-down version of the infamous Lion's Den 'breakdown' routine...he is one of the few MMA guys I've met who is legit intimidating, not because he's any tougher or scarier looking than anyone else, just because he has that thing about him where he seems like he could lose it at any second.

I guess it's a case of a guys 'real' personality making for the best character.
Although it's absolutely and completely true, he implies in interviews he had to "re-train" and/or "re-learn" pro-wrestling, because he accidentally stiffed Vader in his first match against Vader. Considering what Shamrock could do, I don't think he's lying about that.

But when it came to matches, Shamrock was nothing short of amazing. I think the only reason why they didn't push him more, was because they were afraid he might jump back into MMA (eventually).

[SaySo]

According to PWInsider.com, Lindsay Hayward, the 6-9, 240-pound woman given the name Aloisia for the third season of NXT, was actually dropped from the program due to erotic photos WWE officials uncovered of the giant grappler shortly after her television premiere last Tuesday.

The reported reason of Hayward being pulled from the program due to being deemed 'not ready' is said to be a cover excuse.

A set of photographs labeled "Tall Amazons Erotica" depict Hayward in a manner unbecoming to World Wrestling Entertainment's family friendly product. A number of the shots feature Aloisia positioned erotically, including nude. There are also images of the she-giant engaging pleasantries with a petite blonde woman.

The storyline reason given for Hayward's hastily dismissal from NXT was that Aloisia had been fired by her Pro, Vickie Guerrero, after an argument over her influence. Guerrero will reveal her new Rookie Diva during tonight's season 3 premiere.

Hayward currently remains under contract to WWE

[Hyde Hill]

According to PWInsider.com, Lindsay Hayward, the 6-9, 240-pound woman given the name Aloisia for the third season of NXT, was actually dropped from the program due to erotic photos WWE officials uncovered of the giant grappler shortly after her television premiere last Tuesday.

The reported reason of Hayward being pulled from the program due to being deemed 'not ready' is said to be a cover excuse.

A set of photographs labeled "Tall Amazons Erotica" depict Hayward in a manner unbecoming to World Wrestling Entertainment's family friendly product. A number of the shots feature Aloisia positioned erotically, including nude. There are also images of the she-giant engaging pleasantries with a petite blonde woman.

The storyline reason given for Hayward's hastily dismissal from NXT was that Aloisia had been fired by her Pro, Vickie Guerrero, after an argument over her influence. Guerrero will reveal her new Rookie Diva during tonight's season 3 premiere.

Hayward currently remains under contract to WWE

That won't be for long if true. And why do most get fired if they do pictures or have done them and others do not? Maryse and Kim (Topless).

[Self]

A set of photographs labeled "Tall Amazons Erotica" depict Hayward in a manner unbecoming to World Wrestling Entertainment's family friendly product. A number of the shots feature Aloisia positioned erotically, including nude. There are also images of the she-giant engaging pleasantries with a petite blonde woman.

The language used here is amazing. "Positioned erotically" "engaging pleasantries". Hilarious.

I'll go ahead and say this is "newz" of the highest order. Just a website trying to get hits. I mean, those pictures exist, sure, but when it comes to her not being NXT, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. She wasn't ready.

EDIT: I'd figure Aloisa doing 'erotica' would be a positive for her. I beat certain folks in charge are thinking "Giant girl could sell tickets, but will she sell calenders?".

[crownsy]

That won't be for long if true. And why do most get fired if they do pictures or have done them and others do not? Maryse and Kim (Topless).

I think it's going to come down to a little bit "because maryse and kim are established, ect" but alot more in the "these are kinda softcore porn/ more"

I mean there's a difference between topless shots and what was going on here if you read between the lines.

Reading between the lines, "exchanging pleasantries" probably means they have more than a picture of them exchanging phone numbers :D

also possible the website is full of donkey poo and it's just that she looked awful in tryouts ect.

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah but in I was talking in general with nude pics and not specificly Aloisa.

[b0shey]

So i did a search and i found some pics of isis the amazon and if wwe removed her for the so called nude pics i found... there was 1 pic showing her butt the others she had clothes on and one pic of her with another blonde. Got to love WWE PG :eek:

[Comradebot]

You're scared of Frankie Edgar or George St. Pierre?


Although it's absolutely and completely true, he implies in interviews he had to "re-train" and/or "re-learn" pro-wrestling, because he accidentally stiffed Vader in his first match against Vader. Considering what Shamrock could do, I don't think he's lying about that.

But when it came to matches, Shamrock was nothing short of amazing. I think the only reason why they didn't push him more, was because they were afraid he might jump back into MMA (eventually).

Which he did, and sadly never really returned from... though clearly the WWF at the time both supported him and from what I gather expected him to return. I recall them having updates about Shamrock on their website, and he was still included in a couple videogames after he left. It was some months after his return to MMA that the WWF/E stopped mentioning him in any form or fashion.

The thing is, the WWF probably should've pushed him. If he knew he had a job at the top of the company, he may have been less tempted to go back to MMA or at the very least wanted to return to a nice, steady, sizeable paycheck.

And, while I was a HUGE Ken Shamrock fan back in his WWF days (hell, he's the reason I first decided to watch some MMA bouts), I will say this: he's a very soft-spoken sorta guy on the microphone, and it makes him cutting a promo something usually to be avoided... which is never a good thing with the WWF/E. Still, he was an excellent wrestler and played his "legitimate" character to perfection as both a heel and face. I just wish he'd stuck with wrestling more than he did. Most of his MMA work has just been a sad reminder that time can turn even the best of a sport into a shell of the athlete they once were. :(

Wrestling, however, allows Terry Funk to geritol up the ring well into his 60s and still have people half-buy it!

[Linsolv]

You're scared of Frankie Edgar or George St. Pierre?

Well... maybe if I spat at them, or insulted their mothers. Seem like okay guys otherwise, though. To me, at least.

[Comradebot]

I just want to say...

What's the deal with Isis? Are they super serious about the pics?

First off: how many underage boys are gonna try and locate nude pics of the 6'9" lady? Granted, she isn't half bad looking... but at that age, odds are the more "stereotypical" WWE Diva is likely to make a 10 year old wish he could hit puberty already.

Second: Just doing some simple searches, I couldn't really find anything. One website alluding to some some... aherm... "pleasantries"... (including what appears to be the petite blonde mentioned earlier)... but after a few minutes of trying different search engines and names she goes by, I couldn't personally locate anything of a tawdry nature. I'm not saying they don't exist, but at the moment they aren't readily available. Of course, maybe now they will be now the world know's they exist.

Honestly, if I was her I'd head to TNA. If they can make half an effort to book her half as well as Awesome Kong in her prime with them, she could make a name for herself and maybe prove to the WWE she's a valuable asset to have around.

I just think it's silly. Just a decade ago the WWF would spend time on international, primetime television to hype up the opportunity to see basically their entire female roster nude. Wanna see Miss Kitty, Chyna, Sable or Terri Runnels in their birthday suits? No problem! And here's the WWF to remind you of what magazine it is you need to buy to see them!

It just feels like there's a mis-step in logic somewhere, or maybe it's just that the WWE seems to be passing on a potentially unique talent over something that I find a bit trivial.

[SaySo]

I just want to say...

What's the deal with Isis? Are they super serious about the pics?

First off: how many underage boys are gonna try and locate nude pics of the 6'9" lady? Granted, she isn't half bad looking... but at that age, odds are the more "stereotypical" WWE Diva is likely to make a 10 year old wish he could hit puberty already.

Second: Just doing some simple searches, I couldn't really find anything. One website alluding to some some... aherm... "pleasantries"... (including what appears to be the petite blonde mentioned earlier)... but after a few minutes of trying different search engines and names she goes by, I couldn't personally locate anything of a tawdry nature. I'm not saying they don't exist, but at the moment they aren't readily available. Of course, maybe now they will be now the world know's they exist.


I found the website (thanks to another wrestling forum website who had the link and shared it) and i didn't find anything wrong with the pictures.

I can send you a link on PM.

[Slagaholic]

Second: Just doing some simple searches, I couldn't really find anything. One website alluding to some some... aherm... "pleasantries"... (including what appears to be the petite blonde mentioned earlier)... but after a few minutes of trying different search engines and names she goes by, I couldn't personally locate anything of a tawdry nature. I'm not saying they don't exist, but at the moment they aren't readily available. Of course, maybe now they will be now the world know's they exist.
You just gotta get creative. ;)

[Stennick]

Aren't they listed on her official website? Or are there more of them out there? The ones I saw she's not nude or doing anything obscene more or less just posing with a blonde unless I'm missing something...

[brashleyholland]

The thing is, the WWF probably should've pushed him. If he knew he had a job at the top of the company, he may have been less tempted to go back to MMA or at the very least wanted to return to a nice, steady, sizeable paycheck.



That was the risk with Ken though, or any MMA/wrestling crossover. It's tough to bill someone as a legit bad ass, or 'The World's Most Dangerous Man' when they're....well, not. Ken's record is 3-10 since leaving the WWF...even in the years immediately following his departure, he had two high-profile losses in Japan, and was used as nothing more than a punch bag by Tito Ortiz for three rounds in what was at the time the UFC's highest-profile fight.

If I was the WWF at the time of his departure, I'd have been dubious about investing in Ken as a top-shelf wrestler. You'd never know if he would up and leave to fight again (and as it turned out, their no-compete with regards to that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on), and what shape his image would be if he did. History has shown that they made the right call.

[drmacbeth]

Just watched this week's Raw. Something I never thought would be possible has happened: I'm actually rooting for freaking John Cena since I can't not stand Orton, his gimmick, or the way he is getting pushed. This from someone who has never liked Cena at all. I'd rather see ANY of the other guys win the 6-pack challenge other than Orton.