The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Fantabulous]

Apparently, Mistico's WWE name is going to be Sin Cara, which roughly translates into English as 'Faceless'. If accurate, it would indicate he is keeping a mask but we'll see.

[PeterHilton]

Maybe mistake, for sure. But I'm not talking about Mistico. I'm talking about Lucha Libre. Fititng Sports Entertainment within Lucha Libre is not easy task, yes. But the reverse... isn't so true. Sports Entertainment is a pretty flexible product. If Vince can add "ECW" and "Attitude" into his squeaky clean "Sports Entertainment", he can certainly add some Lucha Libre into it... I argue that he already has, if not at a huge amount.

I think you're right that he could add some lucha stars to the product..probably even create a division on SD

But what parts of lucha do you think he's added? Out of curiosity...

[PeterHilton]

So apparently Mistico's WWE name is going to be Sin Cara, which roughly translates into English as 'Faceless Heart'. If accurate, it would indicate he keeping a mask but we'll see.

Actually it translates into "Without Face" or "Faceless"

'Faceless Heart' would be Corazon Sin Cara

EDIT: you changed it. :P

[ampulator]

I think you're right that he could add some lucha stars to the product..probably even create a division on SD

But what parts of lucha do you think he's added? Out of curiosity...
To easily explain think of it in TEW terms...

Key Feature: Mainstream
Heavy: Traditional, Comedy
Medium: None
Low: None
Very Low: Lucha Libre, Modern, Cult, Daredevil, Risque, Hardcore
None: Realism, Pure, Hyper-Realism

To explain that.. it's easy. Alberto Del Rio, and Rey Mysterio. Not much, just a teensy amount, but it's there. If you don't think Rey isn't an an attempt to appeal to the Lucha Libre market, even just a tiny bit...

[Jaysin]

Wikipedia says at the Mexico City announcement that WWE did today, Mistico's name is going to be Sin Rostro, which means Faceless

[PeterHilton]

To explain that.. it's easy. Alberto Del Rio, and Rey Mysterio. Not much, just a teensy amount, but it's there. If you don't think Rey isn't an an attempt to appeal to the Lucha Libre market, even just a tiny bit...

A Mexican guy in a mask is does not = lucha libre.

And Del Rio is nothing - NOTHING - like his Dos Caras persona

Lucha is about the in-ring style and the presentation, as well as the masks. I would say that Rey hasn't worked a true lucha style match since his WCW days.

If you're saying that Vince and the WWE would add more hispanic workers and stars from Mexico to appeal to hispanic viewers, then I agree.

But that doesn't mean he's adding (or has added) any aspects of lucha other than whatever similaritiesthe two styles may have in general.

[ampulator]

A Mexican guy in a mask is does not = lucha libre.

And Del Rio is nothing - NOTHING - like his Dos Caras persona

Lucha is about the in-ring style and the presentation, as well as the masks. I would say that Rey hasn't worked a true lucha style match since his WCW days.

If you're saying that Vince and the WWE would add more hispanic workers and stars from Mexico to appeal to hispanic viewers, then I agree.

But that doesn't mean he's adding (or has added) any aspects of lucha other than whatever similaritiesthe two styles may have in general.
I repeat... just a TINY bit. Maybe not much, but he's adding it. He smells the money, and that's what matters to him.

[PeterHilton]

I repeat... just a TINY bit. Maybe not much, but he's adding it. He smells the money, and that's what matters to him.

:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the same think but I'm not going to pick nits.

[BurningHamster]

:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the same think but I'm not going to pick nits.

For the record, I agree with Mr. Hilton. I really don't see any lucha influence in the WWE, Del Rio is pretty much working a regular US entertainment style, Rey hasn't been a lucha style worker in forever and the overall style, atmosphere, presentation etc of the WWE is pretty far removed from Lucha in my opinion.

[ampulator]

For the record, I agree with Mr. Hilton. I really don't see any lucha influence in the WWE, Del Rio is pretty much working a regular US entertainment style, Rey hasn't been a lucha style worker in forever and the overall style, atmosphere, presentation etc of the WWE is pretty far removed from Lucha in my opinion.
I don't disagree with you either of you, you just happen to simply not agree with me.

[Fantabulous]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sincarajoinswwe

I hope that's his new mask and ring gear because it looks cool.

[Self]

Recently saw my first ever Mistico matches on NJPW/CMLL Fantasticmania a few weeks back. I was mightily impressed. If he comes to WWE, and is more-or-less himself, I may actually watch WWE again.

[Chuck]

WWE actually hyping a signing instead of just sending them to development and no mention of them is kind of neat/a big deal. I remember when they signed Brian Pillman and had that press conference. Very neat.

[Johnny Fenoli]

WWE actually hyping a signing instead of just sending them to development and no mention of them is kind of neat/a big deal. I remember when they signed Brian Pillman and had that press conference. Very neat.

Yeah... when was the last time they did this??? Was it back when they'd steal people from WCW??

[LoNdOn]

I really like the name Sin Cara as well. That mask is fricken sweet; it puts Mysterio's to shame. This has me really pumped to see what they do with him.

[Fantabulous]

Yeah... when was the last time they did this???

I believe it was Taka Michinoku, And the highlight of his run was a 6-minute Raw match with Triple H where people actually bought that he might win. Oh, and separating his shoulder off a bump in the Rumble earlier that year which they replayed multiple times that night and Lawler kept making fun of.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I believe it was Taka Michinoku, And the highlight of his run was a 6-minute Raw match with Triple H where people actually bought that he might win. Oh, and separating his shoulder off a bump in the Rumble earlier that year which they replayed multiple times that night and Lawler kept making fun of.

I'm talking just ANY wrestler with NO stop in the Developmentals... not necessarily foreign wrestlers.

[Fantabulous]

I'm talking just ANY wrestler with NO stop in the Developmentals... not necessarily foreign wrestlers.

Still Taka Michinoku.

[1234]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sincarajoinswwe

I hope that's his new mask and ring gear because it looks cool.

The hype is amazing on the WWE site. Absoulutely shocked its happening though. Hyping and accepting someones past is a big deal in the WWE, and I just hope it pays off.

Not sure about the name Sin Cara, but I guess it will grow on me. I remember hating Daniel Bryan & Evan Bourne :p

[Johnny Fenoli]

Still Taka Michinoku.

Well, Goldberg was in 03....

[Slim Jim]

I believe it was Taka Michinoku, And the highlight of his run was a 6-minute Raw match with Triple H where people actually bought that he might win. Oh, and separating his shoulder off a bump in the Rumble earlier that year which they replayed multiple times that night and Lawler kept making fun of.

To be fair... that was hilarious.

[Fantabulous]

Well, Goldberg was in 03....

They didn't do a press conference for him.

[Johnny Fenoli]

They didn't do a press conference for him.

I'm not talking about a press conference. I'm just talking about someoen they signed and they didnt send to developmental.

no stop over. Which is pretty much what they've done here, just by plastering him all over the WWE.com page.

[ampulator]

Maybe WWE is diong this because they need to? I mean, to shake things up. I think they might have been planning to signing him for a while, but to not get the "Dos Caras" treatment is... new.

[MattitudeV2]

The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man.

[ampulator]

The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man.
They could have just left Dos Caras as is if that ws the case... oh well.

[LoNdOn]

They could have just left Dos Caras as is if that ws the case... oh well.

They want a flashy high-flier and for all his merits, Del Rio is not a high-flier.

[Hashasheen]

The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man.

Indeed. I say they have Rey introduce Sin Cara to the fans, and then team Rey & Sin Cara as a tag-team and give them a run with the titles before Rey leaves the WWE. Then, catapult Sin Cara to the title, preferably held by Alberto Del Rio.

[PeterHilton]

The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man.

Because Mexican fans can only cher guys with masks? :p

Indeed. I say they have Rey introduce Sin Cara to the fans, and then team Rey & Sin Cara as a tag-team and give them a run with the titles before Rey leaves the WWE. Then, catapult Sin Cara to the title, preferably held by Alberto Del Rio.

Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring"

If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire.

Sure he has his backstage issues, but they are no worse than quite a few guys on the roster.

[MrOnu]

This big promo about Mistico is simply a question of money. Dirt sheets aren't putting a number, but it is said that the WWE paid a crap load of money to sign Mistico, an amount big enough to justify bypassing a development stay.

[Fantabulous]

Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring"

If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire.

Sure he has his backstage issues, but they are no worse than quite a few guys on the roster.
Rey's knees are in terrible shape, although they've been bad for years. Part of the reason he has 'heat' is because he doesn't want to work a full schedule partly because he wants to wind down and partly because he knows he can't last as long on a full schedule with his body the way it is. And for Rey to earn big money in Mexico, on the scale they pay, he would have to work, at least, the equivalent of a full-time WWE schedule, and probably more than that. Not to mention the toll Mexican rings would take on his already shot knees; they don't have the give US rings do, and are rock hard, so he'd be hurting himself even more for almost as much money as if he were to simply stay in WWE.

[PeterHilton]

Rey's knees are in terrible shape, although they've been bad for years. Part of the reason he has 'heat' is because he doesn't want to work a full schedule partly because he wants to wind down and partly because he knows he can't last as long on a full schedule with his body the way it is. And for Rey to earn big money in Mexico, on the scale they pay, he would have to work, at least, the equivalent of a full-time WWE schedule, and probably more than that. Not to mention the toll Mexican rings would take on his already shot knees; they don't have the give US rings do, and are rock hard, so he'd be hurting himself even more for almost as much money as if he were to simply stay in WWE.

I think you're understimating how much of a draw Rey would be in Mexico at this point in his career.He could probably get real decent pay out just working limited dates and the odd TV taping for AAA...it might be a wash but I don't think his going to Mexico would be as 'lose-lose' a scenario as you're describing.

He wouldn't be just 'any worker.' He'd be an event signing who would be working a series of 'dream matches' that fans have thought about for years.

[Fantabulous]

I think you're understimating how much of a draw Rey would be in Mexico at this point in his career.He could probably get real decent pay out just working limited dates and the odd TV taping for AAA...it might be a wash but I don't think his going to Mexico would be as 'lose-lose' a scenario as you're describing.

He wouldn't be just 'any worker.' He'd be an event signing who would be working a series of 'dream matches' that fans have thought about for years.
I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico.

Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE.

[PeterHilton]

I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico.

Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE.

Mid 7 figures??? really???

I would think less than that. I guess that's where our POV differs because I think he's high six figures which would make Mexico a viable option

[jbergey_2005]

I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico.

Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE.

Hes not making that much. Im not even sure if Cena is making that. Here are their salaries as of 2006.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_do_WWE_wrestlers_get_paid

Ashley Massaro: $131,000
- Batista: $813,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Big Show: $1,000,000 (Base salary)
- Bob Holly: $217,000
- Booker T: $375,000
- Candice Michelle: $64,000
- Carlito: $319,000
- Chavo Guerrero: $206,000
- Chris Benoit: $488,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Chris Masters: $253,000
- Christian - $396,000
- Danny Basham: $130,000
- Doug Basham: $126,000
- Eddie Guerrero: $372,000
- Edge: $704,000
- Eugene: $189,000
- Funaki: $124,000
- Gene Snitsky: $292,000
- Gregory Helms: $277,000
- John Cena: $1,743,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- John Layfield: $786,000 (Five star hotel accommodations paid for every week)
- Jerry Lawler: $204,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Jillian Hall: $52,000
- Joey Mercury: $134,000
- Johnny Nitro: $143,000
- Jonathan Coachman: $175,000
- Kane: $ 851,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Ken Kennedy: $133,000
- Kid Kash: $62,000
- Kurt Angle: $1,023,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Lance Cade: $118,000
- Lilian Garcia: $90,000
- Lita: $286,000 (Mostly downside paid due to lack of wrestling)
- Maria: $41,000
- Mark Henry: $300,000 (Base pay)
- Matt Hardy: $322,000 (Missed over $70,000 of pay due to firing)
- Matt Striker: $43,000
- Melina: $155,000
- Mickie James: $72,000
- Nunzio: $186,000
- Orlando Jordan: $145,000
- Paul London: $177,000
- Psicosis: $122,000
- Randy Orton: $711,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rene Dupree: $289,000
- Rey Mysterio: $414,000
- Ric Flair: $508,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rob Conway: $186,000
- Rob Van Dam: $220,000 (Only received downside and royalties due to injury)
- Rosie: $105,000
- Shawn Michaels: $1,045,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Shelton Benjamin: $366,000
- Simon Dean: $132,000
- Stacy Keibler: $178,000 (Only downside paid during absence)
- Steven Richards: $94,000
- Torrie Wilson: $260,000
- Trevor Murdoch: $48,000
- Triple H: $2,013,000 (Allowed the personal use of company jet (10) times per year. First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Trish Stratus: $618,000 (Receives 20% of all Trish Stratus merchandise sold)
- Tyson Tomko: $127,000
- Undertaker: $1,811,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Val Venis: $210,000
- Victoria: $275,000
- Viscera: $130,000
- William Regal: $225,000


Here is TNA as of 2008.

Abyss-$350,000
AJ Styles-$350,000
Alex Shelley-$150,000
Andrew Thomas-$75,000
Angelina Love-$60,000
Awesome Kong-$100,000
BG James-$250,000
Black Reign-$200,000
Booker T-$450,000
Brother Devon-$300,000
Brother Ray-$300,000
Chris Sabin-$150,000
Christian Cage-$450,000
Christy Hemme-$75,000
Consequences(Austin Creed)-$75,000
Curry Man(Christopher Daniels)-$300,000
David Penzer-$75,000
Don West-$150,000
Earl Hebner-$150,000
Eric Young-$200,000
Frank Trigg-$200,000
Gail Kim-$100,000
Hector Guerrero-$100,000
Hernandez-$200,000
Homicide-$200,000
Jacqueline-$75,000
James Storm-$200,000
Jay Lethal-$150,000
Jeff Jarrett-$750,000(vice-president of TNA)
Jeremy Borash-$200,000
Jim Cornette-$250,000
Jimmy Rave-$75,000
Johnny Devine-$100,000
Kaz-$200,000
Karen angle-$100,000
Kevin Nash-$450,000
Kip James-$250,000
Kurt Angle-$650,000
Lance Hoyt-$150,000
Matt Morgan-$200,000
Mike Tenay-$200,000
ODB-$75,000
Petey Williams-$150,000
Raisha Saeed-$50,000
Rhaka Khan-$50,000
Rhino-$350,000
Robert Roode-$250,000
Roxxi Laveaux-$60,000
Rudy Charles-$100,000
Salinas-$50,000
Samoa Joe-$350,000
Scott Steiner-$350,000
Shark Boy-$100,000
Sharmell-$75,000
So Cal Val-$60,000
Sonjay Dutt-$100,000
Sting-$500,000 (Has to make 12 Impact,8 PPV and 8 House show appearances)
Tomko-$300,000
Traci Brooks-$100,000
Velvet Sky-$50,000
Willie Urbina-$75,000

[ampulator]

If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire.
Uh, his ring work HAS suffered... but, hey, that shouldn't shocked anyone. After doing all those high risk moves, I'm surprised he can still WALK, let jump off a turnbuckle and do a cross body. If you think he's fast and athletic now, he was a phantom and aerial artist in his heyday.

As for backsage issues, it isn't so much with other guys, but I think, rather, with management. He's at that age where he's only going to an offer where he's he believes he's worth at, and not a penny less. Rey's not the kind of guy that causes trouble with other workers, but he no longer takes low offers.

[BurningHamster]

Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring"

If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire.


I would disagree so strongly it may involve violence :p I don't think I have seen anyone's ringwork suffer MORE than Rey's. The guy is a shadow of a shell of his former self and if I never saw him wrestle again it wouldn't bother me, which, when you consider he was possibly my favourite guy ever at one point speaks volumes as to how far he's fallen. The dude's knees prevent him doing anything, he's become pretty slow, he only does maybe 3 moves over and over again in every match and he is nowhere near as flashy, exciting or creative as he once was. And he is even worse live.

[PeterHilton]

Uh, his ring work HAS suffered... but, hey, that shouldn't shocked anyone. After doing all those high risk moves, I'm surprised he can still WALK, let jump off a turnbuckle and do a cross body. If you think he's fast and athletic now, he was a phantom and aerial artist in his heyday.



I would disagree so strongly it may involve violence :p I don't think I have seen anyone's ringwork suffer MORE than Rey's.

Let me clarify..I stated that very poorly: his ringwork hasn't suffered "recently"

Meaning, his ringwork now isn't any worse than it was in 2009 or so. Comparing him to his prime in WCW or even his early WWE days is totally laughable. You guys are right on that.

But if you were to see what passes for 'ringwork' in AAA, you'd know that him and his 'three moves of doom' would fit right in. Plus..it would be like when someone like Kenta worked ROH dates..the match didn't have to be **** for people to get excited.

He'd be an event.

[ampulator]

Let me clarify..I stated that very poorly: his ringwork hasn't suffered "recently"

Meaning, his ringwork now isn't any worse than it was in 2009 or so. Comparing him to his prime in WCW or even his early WWE days is totally laughable. You guys are right on that.

But if you were to see what passes for 'ringwork' in AAA, you'd know that him and his 'three moves of doom' would fit right in. Plus..it would be like when someone like Kenta worked ROH dates..the match didn't have to be **** for people to get excited.

He'd be an event.
That's a fair point... he can do as much aerial moves as he wanted. But he still might not want to go through with it. If he has the money, he can retire if he wants. He earned it (hopefully).

[Fantabulous]

Hes not making that much. Im not even sure if Cena is making that. Here are their salaries as of 2006.


Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year.

[PeterHilton]

Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year.

Meh. All the reports at the time were that The Rock and SCSA cleared around 2 million a year and that was at the absolute peak of the industry's popularity.

The numbers that came out after WCW closed were that it's headline core averaged around that.

I certainly believe that Cena clears $1.5 million. But you said you thought Rey Misterio ( who is definitely NOT the most popular or the biggest merch seller) cleared "mid seven figures."

That's $5 million.

I sincerely doubt that. And i would believe it's A LOT closer to that wiki figure of 400 K than it is to "mid seven figures."

[Fantabulous]

OK, I mistyped. When I said 'mid-seven figures' I was intending to get across that Rey was making in the range of $1.5m. An error on my part but I stand by the intended point, that Rey is making in the range of $1.5m.

[juggaloninjalee]

OK, I mistyped. When I said 'mid-seven figures' I was intending to get across that Rey was making in the range of $1.5m. An error on my part but I stand by the intended point, that Rey is making in the range of $1.5m.

Why do you think Rey is making 1.5 million?

[jbergey_2005]

Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year.

Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made.

Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward.

[juggaloninjalee]

Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made.

Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward.

Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such.

[PeterHilton]

Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such.

No one has said that recently. Profits aren't up. They're leveling off or dropping. They are profitable, but the recent quarters have been not so hot and specifically PPV numbers are way down.

jbergey is right that paying guys in the millions wouldn't make sense right now

Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made.

Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward.

I don't want to get into an argument of specifics.

My over-all point which started the "what is rey getting paid" line of discussion was that Ray could work in Mexico as more of an attraction and still make roughly what he makes for the WWE.

I still think that.

[jbergey_2005]

Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such.

I guess even with films it surprises me a bit. Their PPV and TV rates have been on a steady downward slope for quite awhile.

[jbergey_2005]

I don't want to get into an argument of specifics.

My over-all point which started the "what is rey getting paid" line of discussion was that Ray could work in Mexico as more of an attraction and still make roughly what he makes for the WWE.

I still think that.

I guess Im not sure how big or profitable companies are in Mexico but I could see it. I could see a bigger Mexican company being able to pay what TNA does for Main Event talent. 600k+

[PeterHilton]

I guess Im not sure how big or profitable companies are in Mexico but I could see it. I could see a bigger Mexican company being able to pay what TNA does for Main Event talent. 600k+

That's what I tend to think.

Supposedly a lot of the "American" talent like Konnan and Waltman that went down to Mexico to work for AAA did so because the pay dys were as much or more than TNA (of course, the cynic would also point out that a lot of those guys also burned all their bridges in the US so there you go)

[Fantabulous]

Amazing moment in business history for a number of reasons

Earlier this morning, Dorian Roldan of AAA tweeted that it's time for the Mexican wrestling companies to work together and create synergy and invited the competition (CMLL) to work with him, saying the ball is now in their court.

Both AAA and CMLL have had significant business drops that are partially due to the economy and safety issues. But they probably have as much if not more to do with the growing popularity of WWE, usurping interest in the local companies, the same pattern that happened in the U.S. in the 80s and in Europe in the 90s. With television ratings falling greatly for both groups, working together doesn't sound so bad to spark interest, although long-term, they are two completely different companies and it's almost impossible to believe it could last for any length of time.

Just as noteworthy as AAA making this request, is doing so in a public forum as opposed to the usual behind the scenes secrecy that the business operates in. And if the deal has been cooked up already, revealing it in a public forum before shooting the initial angle.

From the F4W/Observer front page, because it's relevant in the wake of the Sin Caras/Rey discussion. Neither company appears to be in a position, and nor have they been for some time, to pay a high six-figure salary to anyone.

[PeterHilton]

From the F4W/Observer front page, because it's relevant in the wake of the Sin Caras/Rey discussion. Neither company appears to be in a position, and nor have they been for some time, to pay a high six-figure salary to anyone.

Fair enough.

And it's an interesting bit of new because Mexico really has operated in a bizarre manner for years.

For one...it's kind of a task even watching the shows because their TV time slot changes so frequently. And - especially here in the states - the shows are shown out of sequence pretty often

A merger would make sense.

[Jaysin]

They both have a crapload of awesome talent, so a merger would be cool to see for the matches alone.

[PeterHilton]

They both have a crapload of awesome talent, so a merger would be cool to see for the matches alone.

Im not sure I think AAA has any 'awesome talent' but they do have guys that are fun to watch :p

[lazorbeak]

Now that Marco Corleone is gone there's no reason to watch AAA! On a related note, reading the LL USA alumni section on wikipedia is the saddest thing ever. One person was signed to WWE, one was murdered in a club, and one was arrested for robbery.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Why did Lillan Garcia get paid so much ??

[Jaysin]

Im not sure I think AAA has any 'awesome talent' but they do have guys that are fun to watch :p

That's what I meant :p

[Teh_Showtime]

HOLY CRAP! This Dusty/Cody Rhodes segment is friggin EPIC.

And it looks like Cody will be on the main event path very soon which would be personally appealing to me since I always thought Cody was/is better than Ted.

[Gouge]

Didn't think I'd give a crap about the Rhodes/Mysterio feud, but that segment may have changed my mind one that one.

Everything else was pretty bleh from then on.

[milamber]

Would have preferred Kane to beat Rey, but Rey's obviously more important going into Mania.

Good angle with Cody, Dusty and Rey. Cody's boring gimmick finally has a pay off. Bring on Dusty as Cody's manager.

Nice win for Swagger over Kofi, injured or not.

That's two meaningful mixed-tag matches in a month. The creative team seem to be turning a corner. And I was smiling through the entire Vicki segment.

A shame they waste a quarter of the show repeating angles and match finishes.

[MattitudeV2]

Would have preferred Kane to beat Rey, but Rey's obviously more important going into Mania.

Good angle with Cody, Dusty and Rey. Cody's boring gimmick finally has a pay off. Bring on Dusty as Cody's manager.

Nice win for Swagger over Kofi, injured or not.

That's two meaningful mixed-tag matches in a month. The creative team seem to be turning a corner. And I was smiling through the entire Vicki segment.

A shame they waste a quarter of the show repeating angles and match finishes.

Cody's not boring he's Dashing and he is a pretty boy who doesn't like his moneymaker (his face) harmed argo his kayfabe broken nose which brought in Dusty who was their to defend his son.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Cody's not boring he's Dashing and he is a pretty boy who doesn't like his moneymaker (his face) harmed argo his kayfabe broken nose which brought in Dusty who was their to defend his son.

I thought he actually broke it when Rey botched that 619 and they made an angle out of it?

[Waghlon]

Why did Lillan Garcia get paid so much ??

Because Vince (other people?) love it when people pronounce it "Ortan" instead of Orton. Thats my personal guess.

[Slim Jim]

Because she likes strudel.

[Fantabulous]

And has a big bush.

[1234]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHdQ8_bqTk

Cool to see Shad in a different type of scenario. Seems like a really cool, down to earth guy.

[Self]

Finally got around to watching some Elimination Chamber. I'm... not sure what all the fuss is about. Smackdown Chamber was dull until Drew (of all people) got in there, then became decent. RAW Chamber was more my cup of tea. I prefer the characters, there were more storyline moments and Morrison spots. Nothing blow-away though.

They gotta do something with Morrison. Not 'push'. Not 'spots'. Storyline. He needs a good feud with an interesting conflicting personality. Perhaps some monster, jealous of the pretty boy, can ugly him up. Ric Flair's book recounts an angle they did with Ricky Steamboat where they messed up his face with sandpaper to get sympathy with the crowd. Maybe there's something to that.

[Teh_Showtime]

well Punk did try to blind Morrison.

but they had a 3 minute match to show the effects of the EC

[sebsy]

Finally got around to watching some Elimination Chamber. I'm... not sure what all the fuss is about. Smackdown Chamber was dull until Drew (of all people) got in there, then became decent. RAW Chamber was more my cup of tea. I prefer the characters, there were more storyline moments and Morrison spots. Nothing blow-away though.

They gotta do something with Morrison. Not 'push'. Not 'spots'. Storyline. He needs a good feud with an interesting conflicting personality. Perhaps some monster, jealous of the pretty boy, can ugly him up. Ric Flair's book recounts an angle they did with Ricky Steamboat where they messed up his face with sandpaper to get sympathy with the crowd. Maybe there's something to that.


Would be nice to see him get a decent feud going with someone. Morrison isn't great on the mic at the minute but he isn't awful, and the best way to get better would be practice. So give him a feud where he can get on the mic as well as show his ability in the ring and it should help him heaps unless he really fecks up the mic skills part.

[Self]

You can hide the lack of mic skills if you pair him with the right guy. I've noticed recently that Morrison can play a great wildman card, with the hair and beard. His match with Miz, the tag match against Nexus recently, he did'nt need to talk, he can just look pissed off and sell the fact that ass-kickings are about to occur. Let someone else talk. Make it really personal, then have Morrison go wildman on his ass.

He's an afterthought right now. He's a 2D spot guy who jobs to the stars and gets little moments in multi-man matches, but he has potential to be a lot more. It just needs some creativity with his story and character development. I mean... I like Morrison, but I don't particularly care about him. Make me care, WWE.

[sebsy]

I actually have some ideas about what they could do with him creatively but I will keep them to myself for now as I may use them in my upcoming dynasty. :D

[James Casey]

If they have a MitB match at Mania this year, Morrison will win it.

If not, he'll be high on the list for a push after the show, when WWE tends to shake things up with a draft.

The Rumble-Mania period is not generally the time when WWE makes stars - rather, they consolidate what they have and focus on Wrestlemania.

And let's face it, the heat for Lawler/Cole is going to be way, way greater than Morrison/anyone right now.

That's not a good thing, of course, but it just goes to show how odd wrestling can be at times...

[foolinc]

If they have a MitB match at Mania this year, Morrison will win it.

If not, he'll be high on the list for a push after the show, when WWE tends to shake things up with a draft.

The Rumble-Mania period is not generally the time when WWE makes stars - rather, they consolidate what they have and focus on Wrestlemania.

And let's face it, the heat for Lawler/Cole is going to be way, way greater than Morrison/anyone right now.

That's not a good thing, of course, but it just goes to show how odd wrestling can be at times...

Before they officially started Lawler/Cole (and probably Riley) as a Mania match, the only other person I could have seen as winning the MITB besides Morrison was The King (who would cash it in on The Miz at Mania, win, and vacate the title on the following RAW setting up a tournament).

[Hashasheen]

If they have a MitB match at Mania this year, Morrison will win it.

If not, he'll be high on the list for a push after the show, when WWE tends to shake things up with a draft.


My money's on Morrison moving to the Blue Brand for his main-event run and making way for Ziggler on the red.

[Franchise22]

On a different note, just finished up jerichos lates book "undisputed". Wow, what a great read!!!! Jericho fans, its a must read, but a great read for wrestling fans too.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

My money's on Morrison moving to the Blue Brand for his main-event run and making way for Ziggler on the red.

Ziggler will stall on Raw.

[Teh_Showtime]

Ziggles will be lost on Raw. Punk, Sheamus, and I don't see HHH and Orton both being face for long.

He'd be better off on SD to feud with Morrison, and he is a top 3 Heel there already between Del Rio and Barrett. Unless Sheamus goes to SD, Ziggler will stay

[Candyman]

I'd be shocked if Ziggler doesn't end up on Raw before Wrestlemania. Perhaps in a fued with John Morrison. And with Vickie getting fired from SD!, I have a terrible haunting feeling that she's going to end up being the anonymous Raw GM.

I don't think they're going to do a MITB at Mania this year, but if they do I would definitely pick Morrison.

[Self]

On a different note, just finished up jerichos lates book "undisputed". Wow, what a great read!!!! Jericho fans, its a must read, but a great read for wrestling fans too.

I picked it up the other day, but I'm saving reading it for my vacation next week. Struggling to resisting the temptation to crack it open early. Loved his first book.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Assuming the draft's looming, can't say for sure if Ziggler will be stalling or not. With the current roster, he probably would though.

As for the salary discussion, I'd assume much like Cena, Rey has a percentage off his merch sales. There's not anything concrete behind the theory either but it could be a plausible caveat for the position/salary Rey's pegged to make.

[juggaloninjalee]

Assuming the draft's looming, can't say for sure if Ziggler will be stalling or not. With the current roster, he probably would though.

As for the salary discussion, I'd assume much like Cena, Rey has a percentage off his merch sales. There's not anything concrete behind the theory either but it could be a plausible caveat for the position/salary Rey's pegged to make.

Is this the end of the Ziggler and Vickie "relationship" now?

[LoNdOn]

I'd be shocked if Ziggler doesn't end up on Raw before Wrestlemania. Perhaps in a fued with John Morrison. And with Vickie getting fired from SD!, I have a terrible haunting feeling that she's going to end up being the anonymous Raw GM.

I don't think they're going to do a MITB at Mania this year, but if they do I would definitely pick Morrison.

I think if she was the anonymous GM she would not have been as distraught when she got the boot from Smackdown. Plus the Raw GM has been fairly level for the most part with regards to face/heel divide in my opinion.

[PeterHilton]

TMZ is reporting Chris Jericho will be on Dancing with the Stars.

Will that huge and supportive fans of wrestling audience push him to the top?????

[Linsolv]

Are we still fighting about that?

Of course I'm not going to support him in that. It prevents him from doing what he's best at. :p Come back to wrestling, Chris! I miss you!

[juggaloninjalee]

I could see Vickie being the RAW GM. Edge had a big rivalry against the Anonymous GM. Vickie had a history with Edge so of course she would pester him. Plus she didn't want people to know it was her so she tried to make unbiased decisions on purpose. ;) I dunno honestly. No matter who ends up being the GM of RAW it will be a stretch at this point I think.

[Hive]

TMZ is reporting Chris Jericho will be on Dancing with the Stars.

Will that huge and supportive fans of wrestling audience push him to the top?????

Of course they will, just like they did with his quiz show. Huge success that was.

[ampulator]

You can hide the lack of mic skills if you pair him with the right guy. I've noticed recently that Morrison can play a great wildman card, with the hair and beard. His match with Miz, the tag match against Nexus recently, he did'nt need to talk, he can just look pissed off and sell the fact that ass-kickings are about to occur. Let someone else talk. Make it really personal, then have Morrison go wildman on his ass.

He's an afterthought right now. He's a 2D spot guy who jobs to the stars and gets little moments in multi-man matches, but he has potential to be a lot more. It just needs some creativity with his story and character development. I mean... I like Morrison, but I don't particularly care about him. Make me care, WWE.
Except there's one problem.... Morrison isn't menacing enough to be Wild Man. I just can't see him as badass. He's too good looking.

[Teh_Showtime]

did you actually see it?

the beard changes him from the clean cut guy into the wildman that does all kinda of crazy spots... potential storyline right there.

[ampulator]

did you actually see it?

the beard changes him from the clean cut guy into the wildman that does all kinda of crazy spots... potential storyline right there.
Except he's not menacing at all. He's just Morrison with a beard.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Except he's not menacing at all. He's just Morrison with a beard.

Did you see Raw a while ago when he had that match with I think The Miz and as it cut to commercial he was storming around outside the ring like a lunatic?

He look pretty menacing.

[ampulator]

Did you see Raw a while ago when he had that match with I think The Miz and as it cut to commercial he was storming around outside the ring like a lunatic?

He look pretty menacing.
Yes. Not really convinced.

Edit: I just can't see being the "Sultan of Sexy" or whaterver they call him, AND being a crazy wild man. It just does not compute.

[Astil]

Yes. Not really convinced.

Edit: I just can't see being the "Sultan of Sexy" or whaterver they call him, AND being a crazy wild man. It just compute.

They did it with HBK once or twice...

EDIT: Can we get rid of the stupid door escape bullshi-

[djthefunkchris]

Well, I have to dissagree with The Rock... He didn't really bring it. I think if it was live on the show it would have seemed alot better, but compared to his first little spat, and then compare that to Cena, whom I feel one upped him... This one come short of one upping Cena. Personally, I felt that the facebook picture was a better responce all by itself... that was a message without words. Looking forward to a better reaction hopefully live at some point (soon). I hope Cena responds, but I just don't feel that it was worth responding too (but I hope and think he will).

The whole show was alright, but I was dissapointed with The Miz again. He isn't bringing it either, and now would be the perfect time for him to bring it. Use the voice that says "I'm AWESOME!" and actually get the crowd to boo him, instead of me picking up people laughing at him. I could see them using him more seriously in the future if he could get the reactions he was getting not all that long ago. Also... I swear I like Lawler as a character 20 times better then I did when he was in his prime, lol....

[djthefunkchris]

They did it with HBK once or twice...

EDIT: Can we get rid of the stupid door escape bullshi-

Morrison don't look believable as a wild man though... There are moments, don't get me wrong. He has changed my mind about where I think he could get in card position, so I don't doubt that he won't one day to be able to pull off HBK type character's, but.... Right now he's not even half as talented..

First off, one day he needs to sound comfortable on the mic. He's improved drastically, and I don't see him as the kid playing grown up as I have in the past, but he still sounds nervous. A beard can't hide that.

[Waghlon]

Punk seriously needs to get something done about that beard. Moments ago I realized he looks kinda like Randy friggin' Savage. He already got the beard and the staring. He just needs the hat.

[juggaloninjalee]

About the Rock...

Didn't he leave 7 years ago when Vince McMahon was out with 2 torn quads? Didn't the Rocks contract expire without anyone in WWE realizing it? Anyone remember if that was what happened?

[Fantabulous]

About the Rock...

Didn't he leave 7 years ago when Vince McMahon was out with 2 torn quads? Didn't the Rocks contract expire without anyone in WWE realizing it? Anyone remember if that was what happened?

It was a 'clerical error' and Rock decided not to have anything to do with them for a couple of years but they patched things up when WWE wanted to induct Rock's father and grandfather into their Hall of Fame.

[juggaloninjalee]

It was a 'clerical error' and Rock decided not to have anything to do with them for a couple of years but they patched things up when WWE wanted to induct Rock's father and grandfather into their Hall of Fame.

Wasn't that the end of the Rock wrestling in WWE though? I know that he has done videos and inducted his grandpa and dad into the HoF.

[Fantabulous]

Wasn't that the end of the Rock wrestling in WWE though? I know that he has done videos and inducted his grandpa and dad into the HoF.

Rock stopped wrestling after his tag match with Foley at Wrestlemania XX but he showed up once later in the year during the Diva Search. He was still with the company, contractually speaking, until the end of the year when the 'clerical error' happened and they parted ways for a couple of years.

[juggaloninjalee]

Rock stopped wrestling after his tag match with Foley at Wrestlemania XX but he showed up once later in the year during the Diva Search. He was still with the company, contractually speaking, until the end of the year when the 'clerical error' happened and they parted ways for a couple of years.

Ok got ya. Just trying to figure out exactly how the end of his career (possibly first run) happened. Thank you.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Well, I have to dissagree with The Rock... He didn't really bring it. I think if it was live on the show it would have seemed alot better, but compared to his first little spat, and then compare that to Cena, whom I feel one upped him... This one come short of one upping Cena. Personally, I felt that the facebook picture was a better responce all by itself... that was a message without words. Looking forward to a better reaction hopefully live at some point (soon). I hope Cena responds, but I just don't feel that it was worth responding too (but I hope and think he will).

The whole show was alright, but I was dissapointed with The Miz again. He isn't bringing it either, and now would be the perfect time for him to bring it. Use the voice that says "I'm AWESOME!" and actually get the crowd to boo him, instead of me picking up people laughing at him. I could see them using him more seriously in the future if he could get the reactions he was getting not all that long ago. Also... I swear I like Lawler as a character 20 times better then I did when he was in his prime, lol....

Really? Because way I see it, Rock completely flattened Cena's main point from the beginning. He started going on about his family and his literal blood being within the WWE, and on top of that explained why he did what he did with Hollywood. Along with the coup de grace at the end, if that wasn't one-upping Cena, I don't know what will. Cena could use the live feed as an argument though, which he will more than likely do next week(or on twitter)

With Rock's vow about being back, it was hard to predict that Rock's next apparition wouldn't be via satellite. He has a quota to fill with that promise.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Is this the end of the Ziggler and Vickie "relationship" now?

After all they've been through and the number of times Ziggler's failed, I'm shocked Vickie hasn't blown off her lid sooner. Matter of fact, I think she did once and they magically got back together. Kayfabe-wise, one of them must be in serious drought :p

[djthefunkchris]

Really? Because way I see it, Rock completely flattened Cena's main point from the beginning. He started going on about his family and his literal blood being within the WWE, and on top of that explained why he did what he did with Hollywood. Along with the coup de grace at the end, if that wasn't one-upping Cena, I don't know what will. Cena could use the live feed as an argument though, which he will more than likely do next week(or on twitter)

With Rock's vow about being back, it was hard to predict that Rock's next apparition wouldn't be via satellite. He has a quota to fill with that promise.

To me, this only worked for him because he is The Rock, but it wasn't up to the same standard as Cena's responce. I really DO think that live it would have gave him more flexibility, and would have been quite a bit better. Cena's point still stands, it was about and for the fans, not the WWE. The Rock responded more to something Cena said a while back, not the "Rap"... although the "Yo, Yo" stuff was funny.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'll give Cena that, he really upped the ante, in a way I didn't expect him to lol.

And the crowd last night was dreadful.

[juggaloninjalee]

I'll give Cena that, he really upped the ante, in a way I didn't expect him to lol.

And the crowd last night was dreadful.

How did Cena up the ante?

[sprinklefurball]

I went last night and after the punt kick, during the break, Mcgillicutty was stretchered out from the ring.

http://rotnluk.com/GEDC03641.jpg

[djthefunkchris]

How did Cena up the ante?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStBadC8P-o

[djthefunkchris]

I went last night and after the punt kick, during the break, Mcgillicutty was stretchered out from the ring.

I have to say that to me that was one of the highlights of the show...> PUNK: Don't do it Randy, DO NOT PUNT HIM IN THE SKULL!
Orton getting that crazy goofball smile, going crazy etc.... This is how I like Orton, looking nuts. He looked like he was rapid or something. Punk was gold working the crowd into really getting into it... If it was just Randy out there looking like that, it wouldn't have been half as great. With Punk emphasizing the thoughts going through Randy's head though, made it a golden moment (At least for me). Something I expect everytime I see Punk, is him somehow making someone else look awesome. I ruin the show for my wife when I go... here we go, Punk's going to make him look great, watch! She doesn't like it when I call things, and I can't help doing it.... but she has to admit I'm right.

The whole paper thing over the general manager's supposed email was a little too obvious tonight, almost like they are trying to clue us in for some silly reason....

[PeterHilton]

I tend to agree with chris that Rocky's response came off a little flat because it was taped...but logically it made plenty of sense: kind of hard for Cena to say that The Rock isn't "committed" or "invested" to the business when his entire frickin' family is in wrestling.

Father..grandfather....any number of uncles, cousins, etc

If this somehow leads to a Cena/Rikishi showdown I'd be pretty :D


;)

[Slim Jim]

If this somehow leads to a Cena/Rikishi showdown I'd be pretty :D

More of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpVVjT-FsI

[sprinklefurball]

I tend to agree with chris that Rocky's response came off a little flat because it was taped...but logically it made plenty of sense: kind of hard for Cena to say that The Rock isn't "committed" or "invested" to the business when his entire frickin' family is in wrestling.

Father..grandfather....any number of uncles, cousins, etc

If this somehow leads to a Cena/Rikishi showdown I'd be pretty :D


;)

The crowd was kind of miffed that the tron said Rock and Michaels would be on, but weren't even there.

[juggaloninjalee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStBadC8P-o

I am sorry but I really don't feel like Cena made Rock look bad. Cena showed in that how he really isn't even close to being on Rocks level. That's all.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Damn it! I didn't even know RAW was in Buffalo until I saw everyones facebook last night!

[Jaysin]

There better be "Bateman got screwed" signs on Smackdown/NXT dang it!

[djthefunkchris]

The crowd was kind of miffed that the tron said Rock and Michaels would be on, but weren't even there.
They cheered at good spots, boo'd a little bit at some of it, etc. Like PH said though, it fell flat cuz he wasn't live. IF he were there, I'm sure it would have felt alot more powerful.
I am sorry but I really don't feel like Cena made Rock look bad. Cena showed in that how he really isn't even close to being on Rocks level. That's all.
... I don't want to get into who is better etc. THAT really wasn't my point. I'm looking to be entertained by this back and forth bit, and I felt a little underwhelmed by The Rock's responce. My money would be on The Rock in almost every category we can think of, if it was just personal taste (what I like). I'm trying to look at it unbiased, and to me Cena has the better of him so far. I've never been a Cena hater by any means... well, except here at home. I tend to try not to be negative of him on here (online period, there is enough hater's without me getting into it). However, I'm a much bigger fan of The Rock. Probably why I was a little dissapointed.

[juggaloninjalee]

... I don't want to get into who is better etc. THAT really wasn't my point. I'm looking to be entertained by this back and forth bit, and I felt a little underwhelmed by The Rock's responce. My money would be on The Rock in almost every category we can think of, if it was just personal taste (what I like). I'm trying to look at it unbiased, and to me Cena has the better of him so far. I've never been a Cena hater by any means... well, except here at home. I tend to try not to be negative of him on here (online period, there is enough hater's without me getting into it). However, I'm a much bigger fan of The Rock. Probably why I was a little dissapointed.

I am not a Cena hater. In fact I am more of a slight Cena fan. Usually I enjoy his segments. Still think when he was on Smackdown and trying to get the US Title and feuding with Eddie Guerrero I liked him the most. He is predictable now but I have no issues with him now. Still think the Rock has the better of him so far though. I liked the Rock but always like Steve Austin the most. We will see what Cena does in response to the Rock. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rock cost Cena the Championship after all of this.

[StudioStu]

Jeeze, Sheamus was completely buried on Raw. It was hard for me to even watch. I'm starting to believe he slept with somebody's wife or something.

[Fantabulous]

I'm stunned that anyone thinks Cena is actually 'getting the better' of The Rock in this. Rock is showing Cena up every time and outperforming him as well.

[juggaloninjalee]

I'm stunned that anyone thinks Cena is actually 'getting the better' of The Rock in this. Rock is showing Cena up every time and outperforming him as well.

I agree completely.

[milamber]

Raw news:

- There was a lot of angry and shocked wrestlers backstage at RAW last night during Triple H’s promo when he said there were no challenges in the locker room for he and The Undertaker. While the promo was being watched backstage, one prominent RAW star who was pissed off made the comment that Triple H just called everyone "jobbers." Some of the talents understood that Triple H was trying to hype the match with Undertaker but at the same time, a lot of people were upset. It’s said that Triple H came up with the promo last night and it was not written for him by creative.

NXT news:

-WWE did announce a fifth season of NXT but did not share any details. The announcers said it will be unlike anything we've seen. Season 5 of NXT debuts next Tuesday night.

Smackdown news:

- Christian returned to the ring after tonight's SmackDown tapings, teaming with Edge and Big Show to defeat Alberto Del Rio and The Corre in a dark main event. Christian ended up getting the win on Del Rio by hitting Killswitch. Show chokeslammed Del Rio and Edge speared him to end the match. Christian spoke to the fans before ending the show.


General News:

- WWE is planning on releasing several mid-card talents after WrestleMania, sources have confirmed. The next round of releases are coming because of the recent disappointing financial results. Officials are looking at firing several mid-card talents and replacing with them developmental talents from FCW, which come cheaper.

PPV News:

- Sources report this past weekend that WWE officials are still trying to lock Sting to a deal for WrestleMania 27. As of last week, Sting had not agreed to or signed a deal but he is not saying no for sure. Sting or Sting’s representatives have had talks with WWE.

- WWE officials have began throwing around ideas for this year’s SummerSlam pay-per-view and they want to up the celebrity involvement for their summer spectacular. Officials are interested in bringing NBA star LeBron James for some kind of involvement at the show. They wanted LeBron to do an angle with The Miz at WrestleMania 27 but LeBron’s team, the Miami Heat, has a game the same day as WrestleMania. LeBron is a WWE fan and officials feel that they have a good chance of landing him for SummerSlam in Los Angeles.

[Jaysin]

I bet Season 5 of NXT is about second/third generation wrestlers like that one rumor that was going around.

[PeterHilton]

...

I think it's great that you post news and all, but would you mind citing your sources?

Kinda meaningless to post gossip w/o at least knowing if it's from a believable site.


Because.. I mean..this:

PPV News:

- Sources report this past weekend that WWE officials are still trying to lock Sting to a deal for WrestleMania 27. As of last week, Sting had not agreed to or signed a deal but he is not saying no for sure. Sting or Sting’s representatives have had talks with WWE.

- WWE officials have began throwing around ideas for this year’s SummerSlam pay-per-view and they want to up the celebrity involvement for their summer spectacular. Officials are interested in bringing NBA star LeBron James for some kind of involvement at the show. They wanted LeBron to do an angle with The Miz at WrestleMania 27 but LeBron’s team, the Miami Heat, has a game the same day as WrestleMania. LeBron is a WWE fan and officials feel that they have a good chance of landing him for SummerSlam in Los Angeles.

..is utter crap. Just a total and complete steaming pile of BS.

Not criticizing you at all, but the site who posted that as "news" is incredibly stupid.

[Fantabulous]

Taken from another board which, well, you know the drill. This is apparently what the complete Wrestlemania card will look like.

"Another wrestling podcast (http://www.smartwrestlingfan.com/) was sent a document that was found backstage at Raw when they were in California. It was a run sheet with the Wrestlemania card on it. They went over the sheet last week on their show, and the card had Jack Swagger in Cole's corner with Stone Cold as special guest ref. Unless someone in WWE listened to the podcast, and thought it sounded like a good card, the sheet seems to be the real deal."

"It may be (bull****), but for posterity here is the full card:

WWE Heavyweight Championship match
The Miz (with Alex Riley) vs. John Cena

The Undertaker vs Triple H

World Heavyweight Championship match
Edge vs Alberto Del Rio (with Ricardo Rodriguez)

Randy Orton vs CM Punk (with New NEXUS)

Mixed Tag Match
Trish Stratus and ??? vs. Dolph Ziggler and LayCool
*Trish's partners were unreadable*

8 Man Tag
Kofi Kingston and Christian vs. The Corre
*The two men that will be Kofi and Christian's partners were unreadable*

Rey Mysterio vs "Dashing" Cody Rhodes

Special Guest Referee: Stone Cold Steve Austin
Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Michael Cole (with Jack Swagger)

United States Champion Daniel Bryan (with Gail Kim) vs Sheamus

"Divas Match TBD""

"The same guys got an update that fills in some of the blanks

Daniel Bryan (with Gail) vs. Sheamus (with the Bellas)

Dolph Ziggler & Laycool vs. John Morrison, Trish Stratus, and TBD

The Corre vs. Kane, Kofi, Christian, and Big Show

Bear in mind that they mentioned Swagger being in Cole's corner days before Raw, so it looks legit."

I've whited out the majority in case any of this winds up being true, to avoid spoilers, although I'm pretty sure most will readily dismiss everything contained herein. That said, if they did mention Swagger being in Cole's corner days before it happened, there is every chance this things is legit.

[djthefunkchris]

I am not a Cena hater. In fact I am more of a slight Cena fan. Usually I enjoy his segments. Still think when he was on Smackdown and trying to get the US Title and feuding with Eddie Guerrero I liked him the most. He is predictable now but I have no issues with him now. Still think the Rock has the better of him so far though. I liked the Rock but always like Steve Austin the most. We will see what Cena does in response to the Rock. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rock cost Cena the Championship after all of this.

I'm stunned that anyone thinks Cena is actually 'getting the better' of The Rock in this. Rock is showing Cena up every time and outperforming him as well.

I agree completely.

What are you guys in agreement on? Rock can outperform Cena, but Cena wasn't really challenged... Ok, maybe I might need to point out the obvious I don't know....

The biggest part of Cena's responce was the fact that The Rock wasn't there...... Rock responded without being there...

Maybe you guys just can't see him, I don't know, lol.

[milamber]

To clarify, what I post is a mix of news & rumours that I personally find interesting from whatever sources I can find via google. I purposely leave out any references to upcoming results (real or fake).

[ampulator]

What are you guys in agreement on? Rock can outperform Cena, but Cena wasn't really challenged... Ok, maybe I might need to point out the obvious I don't know....

The biggest part of Cena's responce was the fact that The Rock wasn't there...... Rock responded without being there...

Maybe you guys just can't see him, I don't know, lol.
Here's the thing. I think Cena as a Wholesome Babyface is a pretty bad shtick. It just doesn't work. His "rapping" proved that. He's just much better at being a badass face, but as a wholesome face? Not so much. He only schooled the Rock in his "old ways".

But he schooled the Rock, he did. the Rock's response was just... awkward and weird. It didn't work. But he did school the Rock, that I give... but not as the current Cena. That's the difference.

[TakerNGN74]

Jeeze, Sheamus was completely buried on Raw. It was hard for me to even watch. I'm starting to believe he slept with somebody's wife or something.

I heard that Kevin Dunn doesn't like Sheamus which is why he is like 1 and 7 on pay per view so far this year. (Thats just an example I know that he has only won one match on Pay Per View in the last six monthes or so.)

[juggaloninjalee]

What are you guys in agreement on? Rock can outperform Cena, but Cena wasn't really challenged... Ok, maybe I might need to point out the obvious I don't know....

The biggest part of Cena's responce was the fact that The Rock wasn't there...... Rock responded without being there...

Maybe you guys just can't see him, I don't know, lol.

I just don't think Cena has one upped the Rock. I watched the Rocks 2nd promo that was taped and it was still better than anything from the last few years in WWE. Would have been better live while in attendance I think but it was still better than anything Cena has done. The rap was really lame.

Here's the thing. I think Cena as a Wholesome Babyface is a pretty bad shtick. It just doesn't work. His "rapping" proved that. He's just much better at being a badass face, but as a wholesome face? Not so much. He only schooled the Rock in his "old ways".

But he schooled the Rock, he did. the Rock's response was just... awkward and weird. It didn't work. But he did school the Rock, that I give... but not as the current Cena. That's the difference.

Cena is that wholesome babyface right now. It would take a lot to shake that image and be the bad ass.

[ampulator]

I agree. But then again, he's so stale right now, it doesn't matter. But my point is correct, but as correct as it is, the WWE will not change Cena's gimmick. I know that. But they should.

[djthefunkchris]

I agree. But then again, he's so stale right now, it doesn't matter. But my point is correct, but as correct as it is, the WWE will not change Cena's gimmick. I know that. But they should.

Ah, Ok. I Knew I was missing a point being made, because when I watched/crowd reaction's to be included, it was a different tale then what you guys seemed to believe. Also, to me crowd reaction makes a huge difference. One went from getting cheered, to a few boo's here and there... the other went from a mixed reaction to straight up being cheered. Both are babyface's.

However, the point you made is spot on. Cena has been boring for a good while, and although he saves it by being good on the mic, it's still stale. I don't know why the power's that be cannot understand how much better he would be as that other guy.... even if he stays babyface.

So, you and I are in agreement on a few levels, and without that clarification I wouldn't have realised it.

[MrOnu]

Finnaly watched RAW and I'm still impressed by the fact The Miz was booked strong for once ! That made up for the lame verbal exchange he had earlier with Cena. Fake doctor notes to make unfunny jokes? Really ?

Maybe I was in bad mood, 'cause I didn't feel that Rock promo's either. I'm still wondering what was his point... At least, HHH promo was a good buildup for his match and the HBK video was very well done.

[PeterHilton]

To clarify, what I post is a mix of news & rumours that I personally find interesting from whatever sources I can find via google. I purposely leave out any references to upcoming results (real or fake).

Ummmm..here's the thing though: if you don't show where you're getting the news from there's no way to judge how 'reliable' that news is.

Interesting? I suppose...but let's be real:

That bit about Triple H sounded like typical IWC snarkiness with nothing to back it up.

The bit about Lebron sounded like pure science fiction

And the bit about Sting - especially with the stuff that just happened at the TNA tapings - is just utter BS.




Maybe I was in bad mood, 'cause I didn't feel that Rock promo's either. I'm still wondering what was his point...

I saida few pages back: it wasn't a strong promo but the fact that his whole family has been in the industry for generations is a legit response to Cena's in-character questioning of his love for wrestling.

[Hive]

And the bit about Sting - especially with the stuff that just happened at the TNA tapings - is just utter BS.

I don't believe it either, but the way TNA is run nowadays it wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever to me if Dixie agrees to release Sting so he go to Wrestlemania. After all, she did it for Nash for the Royal Rumble... and I'm sure they wouldn't mind putting the title back at Jeff Hardy. Preferably the day before he's sentenced.

[juggaloninjalee]

I don't believe it either, but the way TNA is run nowadays it wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever to me if Dixie agrees to release Sting so he go to Wrestlemania. After all, she did it for Nash for the Royal Rumble... and I'm sure they wouldn't mind putting the title back at Jeff Hardy. Preferably the day before he's sentenced.

What are you talking about? TNA releasing Nash for the Royal Rumble? Last I heard his contract ran up months back and it seems like Nash got the call from WWE for the show.

[Fantabulous]

What are you talking about? TNA releasing Nash for the Royal Rumble? Last I heard his contract ran up months back and it seems like Nash got the call from WWE for the show.
Dixie herself, I think on Twitter or somewhere, admitted that Nash was under contract to TNA but they released him so he could go to WWE.

As for the Triple H stuff, and the spoilered out Wrestlemania line up posted earlier, I know his name is probably mud around here, but Dave Meltzer has confirmed the former and had the later confirmed.

[juggaloninjalee]

Dixie herself, I think on Twitter or somewhere, admitted that Nash was under contract to TNA but they released him so he could go to WWE.

When did he resign with TNA? Why would you release him so he could go to the WWE? That makes no sense!

[Fantabulous]

When did he resign with TNA? Why would you release him so he could go to the WWE? That makes no sense!
I presume he re-signed with TNA because they gave him the deal he wanted that WWE wouldn't. I don't know why Dixie would release him, you're right that it makes no sense, but TNA seem unable but to do things that make no sense.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm sure Dixie meant it in the way that they released Nash so that he could go ahead and do whatever's in his desire, which turned out to be signing with WWE but not limited to.

[ampulator]

It's because she knows she can't keep them if they demand more money. That is all. And the WWE can give them more. But why would she let it slide rather than fight?

[Hive]

What are you talking about? TNA releasing Nash for the Royal Rumble? Last I heard his contract ran up months back and it seems like Nash got the call from WWE for the show.

Nash had just recently signed a new contract with TNA, but then got the offer from WWE - which presumably was a LOT better than what TNA was giving him - and asked Dixie to release him from his contract. And, according to Nash, Dixie being way too kind granted that wish just a few days before the Royal Rumble.

[ampulator]

You know, from what I heard, Dixie's a pretty nice person... and you know, somewhat naive.

[juggaloninjalee]

What is the WWE doing with Kevin Nash? I still can't tell.

[Fantabulous]

What is the WWE doing with Kevin Nash? I still can't tell.
I think he's locked into one of those legends deals. He hasn't wrestled since the Rumble and I don't think there has been even a hint of anything since. A nice job if you can get it.

[ampulator]

I think he's done wrestling. A Legends Deal is pretty nice, considering he's unlikely to wrestle much anymore. His return as Diesel... he's a guy with lots of charisma and star quality, even his matches were not so good.

[Self]

He's booked for a couple of 1PW shows in England in... I want to say May. Nash, Hall, X-Pac, DDP, New Age Outlaws. So he's not under an exclusive 'proper' contract. A typical Legends deal, albeit with a little more potential that WWE might do something with him. Nice work if you can get it.

[BurningHamster]

You know, from what I heard, Dixie's a pretty nice person... and you know, somewhat naive.

And according to Paul London she is hot and 25 years old.

[Jaysin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_DcLeaI5Hk

I hope they don't let him rot in developmental forever :(

[BHK1978]

Not sure if this is b.s. or not but I read that Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos of Strikeforce fame, might be in talks with the WWF. For me I am not sure if I believe it, first she does not have the "look" of the other Divas (neither does Kong but Kong is a more known person to wrestling fans in my opinion). Also, her English is not that great, which I know does not matter and they can cover that up by either giving her a manager or not having her speak at all. I am just not sure she will be a good fit.

[masterded]

Not sure if this is b.s. or not but I read that Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos of Strikeforce fame, might be in talks with the WWF. For me I am not sure if I believe it, first she does not have the "look" of the other Divas (neither does Kong but Kong is a more known person to wrestling fans in my opinion). Also, her English is not that great, which I know does not matter and they can cover that up by either giving her a manager or not having her speak at all. I am just not sure she will be a good fit.

No kidding. If the question would you rather Kong or Cyborg the answer would be Kong as at least she looks like a woman.

[BHK1978]

No kidding. If the question would you rather Kong or Cyborg the answer would be Kong as at least she looks like a woman.

No doubt about that.:D

[Fantabulous]

The talk is real although the intention might not be. Cyborg hasn't fought in eight months and it doesn't look like she has anything lined up in the near future, which means the money isn't coming in. Apparently, and rather obviously, this is her way of letting Strikeforce know that she isn't happy with how she is being treated.

[lazorbeak]

I think she'd be a good fit because she's nothing like anything else WWE has right now. That said, she could easily end up being the next Nicole Bass.

That said I would think Gina Carano would be a far better fit in pro wrestling: I think a program between her and Kong could be a big deal.

[BHK1978]

That said I would think Gina Carano would be a far better fit in pro wrestling: I think a program between her and Kong could be a big deal.

Whoa we actually agree on something.:D Yes I think Gina would be a perfect babyface for them. She is good looking, has the personality, and is very creditable.

[masterded]

Whoa we actually agree on something.:D Yes I think Gina would be a perfect babyface for them. She is good looking, has the personality, and is very creditable.

Anything that gets Gina back on TV is a good thing. Something about how cute she looks yet knowing she could beat me up if she wanted to. Which is weird because I am in no way one of them pain is pleasure people.

[ampulator]

The talk is real although the intention might not be. Cyborg hasn't fought in eight months and it doesn't look like she has anything lined up in the near future, which means the money isn't coming in. Apparently, and rather obviously, this is her way of letting Strikeforce know that she isn't happy with how she is being treated.
I agree. Anyone thinking that Cyborg is actually seriously entertaining this is in lala land. Everyone knows that MMA is the place to make money right now. She will take a downgrade. It's more of negotiating tactic. She's not coming to the WWE if Strikeforce isn't that stupid. Heck, I would even say Strikeforce is better run and promoted than WWE is right now. And that's just sad.

[Jaysin]

Watching last week's Smackdown and Dusty Rhodes isn't as irritating when he's being calm instead of all hyped up. Actually enjoying the segment...and I HATE the Dashing gimmick. So I hope it stays entertaining.

[Jaysin]

Um, WWE, specifically Michael Cole, Edge has done that move plenty of times in his career. He called it the Edgecator.

I hate how they act like we don't remember anything.

[Slagaholic]

<3 Taker's new theme. They kinda screwed it up his first time out, but heading back out it worked out.

[ampulator]

Um, WWE, specifically Michael Cole, Edge has done that move plenty of times in his career. He called it the Edgecator.

I hate how they act like we don't remember anything.
You're wrong. It's he who doesn't remember anything. ;)

[Jaysin]

Beth Phoenix, the only talented woman in this match.

I absolutely hate Rosa and Michelle. Layla is just meh

[crownsy]

I agree. Anyone thinking that Cyborg is actually seriously entertaining this is in lala land. Everyone knows that MMA is the place to make money right now. She will take a downgrade. It's more of negotiating tactic. She's not coming to the WWE if Strikeforce isn't that stupid. Heck, I would even say Strikeforce is better run and promoted than WWE is right now. And that's just sad.

well the problem is Strikeforce is said to be having no luck finding her an opponent that will fight her for the kind of money strikeforce is capable of offering.

If she can't get a fight, it's kinda moot point that shes hands down the best female MMA fighter in the world.

[evileddie10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVB6dtLFmJw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

After watching this all I can say is,
PUSH ZACK RYDER!!!

Woo Woo Woo, You Know It!

[ampulator]

well the problem is Strikeforce is said to be having no luck finding her an opponent that will fight her for the kind of money strikeforce is capable of offering.

If she can't get a fight, it's kinda moot point that shes hands down the best female MMA fighter in the world.
They'll find her an opponent. Eventually. Probably soon. This is a just a pressure tactic to give her a fight.

[LoNdOn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVB6dtLFmJw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

After watching this all I can say is,
PUSH ZACK RYDER!!!

Woo Woo Woo, You Know It!

That is one of the best things I have ever seen! :D

[20LEgend]

That Zack Ryder thing was pretty good especially The Rock bit, I thought he was a dull, another stupid WWE character but I seem to have a better opinion on him now, bearing in mind I don't watch WWE is this a lot different to his persona or is he just a faceless jobber on Superstars now? also I'm joining in.. .push Ryder!


EDIT: Watching the other two didn't know he was actually Jersey Shore parody though he was just a clubber gimmick, wow Robbie E's character disappoints me even more now. Pretty cool stuff.

The Robbie E and Ryder characters are scarily similar

[milamber]

He's got one of those real over-the-top gimmicks that are kind of stupid yet he pulls it off. I always thought he played the over-confident underdog heel really well (plus he's decent in-ring) on ECW and Superstars a while back. Now he's lucky if he gets an angle.

[Zeel1]

Yeah, I've always kinda liked Ryder. He's entertaining, and I remember him having some particularly good matches with Christian before. He only really needs one thing to get himself a solid push, and that's to change his theme to this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OREam7kof0c&feature=channel_video_title)

[milamber]

I have to say, Cody Rhodes impressed me on the mic on SD.

[juggaloninjalee]

Wrestlemania 27 Card So Far...

John Cena vs The Miz

Edge vs Alberto Del Rio

Undertaker vs HHH

Randy Orton vs CM Punk

Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Cody Rhodes

Jerry Lawler vs Michael Cole w/Jack Swagger



So without a MITB match what is the WWE going to do with Christian, Kane Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry, Deisel, and others?

[ThriceP86]

I have to say, Cody Rhodes impressed me on the mic on SD.

Oh yeah! I'm totally with you there milamber. The delivery and just the mannerisms were just great. Rhodes is really coming into his own.

So without a MITB match what is the WWE going to do with Christian, Kane Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry, Deisel, and others?

On their website they still list MITB in July so I think it would be stupid to put one together for Mania. It's a very good question what they'll with with Sheamus & Christian, I see Big Show vs. Barrett at Mania though. And hopefully an IC or US title match as well to round out the undercard. That's just what I feel they should do.

[Fantabulous]

If you go back a page or two, there is a spoilered out WM card that is what the current card is going to be.

[juggaloninjalee]

If you go back a page or two, there is a spoilered out WM card that is what the current card is going to be.

I went back and so far it's looking like that spoiler mania card is shaping up to be correct.

[Waghlon]

"Just announced: "Jersey Shore" star Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi will bring the party to WWE Monday Night Raw March 14 as the Raw Guest Star!"

I... 'll skip... that episode actually...

[|Anderz|]

"Just announced: "Jersey Shore" star Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi will bring the party to WWE Monday Night Raw March 14 as the Raw Guest Star!"

I... 'll skip... that episode actually...

If it gives us more Zack Ryder then Im up for it..

Im DZP (Down with Zack and Primo) - even though I think Primo looks more and more like Icarus (from CHIKARA) every time I see him..

[BurningHamster]

"Just announced: "Jersey Shore" star Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi will bring the party to WWE Monday Night Raw March 14 as the Raw Guest Star!"

I... 'll skip... that episode actually...

Maybe she can get punched in the head again. By Everone on the roster.

[MichiganHero]

Who's DZP? I <3 Zack. Some of his twitter videos are amazing.

Zack for IC/US champ by the end of the year!

[djthefunkchris]

Going to be honest about this "Zack" stuff... I'm kind of baffled. I would think 8 out of 10 of you guys could do a better youtube video, without aide (which I'm sure he had). I honestly thought you guys were making fun of him, or being sarcastic at first. After watching that stuff, the only thing amazing is that he is still in the WWE, to be honest.

[20LEgend]

Why get freakin' Snooki in I though TNA were bad getting their Shore crap iin but WWE? I expected better, speaking of expecting I can't wait until TNA mention this >: (

[jbergey_2005]

I dont know if its just me but Im a little underwhelmed by this WM card. Usually it has a match that I dont want to miss. This year I cant really say that unless this Triple H/Undertaker match can pick up some heat.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Why get freakin' Snooki in I though TNA were bad getting their Shore crap iin but WWE? I expected better, speaking of expecting I can't wait until TNA mention this >: (

Austin should be your better, well depending on how you see it. With him confirmed and Rock even being possible, everything else is just extra padding to me.

I really think WWE is gonna notch a surprise push on Ryder someday. Least I hope so/

[Zeel1]

Speaking of which, anyone think that their might be some sort of interaction between Austin and Rock? That'd be kind of fun, if just for nostalgia.

[ampulator]

Speaking of which, anyone think that their might be some sort of interaction between Austin and Rock? That'd be kind of fun, if just for nostalgia.
Not yet, probably. Hopefully soon, though. Just a staredown between the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin is enough to sizzle people.

[Zeel1]

In that little Austin hype thing just now, I do believe that was the Disturbed version of his theme that was playing. Strange...

[Jaysin]

CM Punk really has a Mike Ness look goin for him now.

[Jaysin]

Does it bother anyone that they have to say NEW Nexus everytime? Come on, just drop the New part. Sooo irritating.

*edit*

YAY! Christian!!!

[Zeel1]

It is a little needless. What I sort of don't like is how they mention Orton punting McGuillicutty last week, but make no mention of him doing the same thing to take out Harris last month. He's slowly taking out every one of Punk's cohorts, you'd think they'd be listing them all off.

By the way, haven't watched any of NXT this season aside from the finale, but from what I did see, I kind of like Clay, I found him to be a pretty effective heel.

[jjohns44]

Jerry should come out and show off some old video footage from ten years ago to Michael Cole, reminded everyone what a giant ***** he really is. Remember when Stone Cold beat the crap out of him? Hmmm, when he comes back tonight, maybe he should do it again...it has been 10 years....hahaha

[Zeel1]

I love the hype they're giving Sin Cara, I feel like he's atleast going to start out being pretty decently pushed.

[ampulator]

I love the hype they're giving Sin Cara, I feel like he's atleast going to start out being pretty decently pushed.
I heard they gave him a six-figure salary. So, they probably want to give a decent push.

Let's hope they add some more Lucha Libre.

[Zeel1]

Jibble, huh? Interesting choice... didn't he seriously despise Cole while commentating with him?

[Teh_Showtime]

not lying, Im marking for JBL

promo goodness with this guy. Not to mention his music too

[Teh_Showtime]

SCSA needs to clear his damn throat lol

[Hashasheen]

Sunny in Hall of Fame = Marking out.

[ampulator]

SCSA needs to clear his damn throat lol
'Cause Showtime said so.

[Teh_Showtime]

Just sounded like he had a boatload of mucus in his throat

[ampulator]

because stone cold said so?

Oh come on, you didn't get that joke? ;)

[Teh_Showtime]

some things need no replies?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Sheamus has gone so far backwards since he took out HHH. No wonder they need to bring back attitude stars they don't know how to build them anymore.

[Astil]

Heres hopin Bryan and Sheamus have matches that pull both to the Main Event.

[Zeel1]

Okay so I presume Sheamus will be winning the US title next week - unless this ends up being their way of moving him to SmackDown...

[Zeel1]

Seemed like a bit of an abrupt ending, there...

[TheEdgeOfReason]

It looks like he's going to go from putting Trips out of action for 11 months in one Mania to a US title match a year later.

[jwt13]

Have yall noticed the sway from new guys time to old guys time since the stocked droped real bad a couple months ago?

[ampulator]

some things need no replies?
I was just using your own words to make a joke. Come on, you don't see the irony in that? :p

[Jaysin]

I am perfectioooonnn

[Teh_Showtime]

touche. But now Morrison is on, Guru of Greatness time

[Zeel1]

Ziggler/Morrison, eh? Sounds pretty nice, but I must say I think Ziggler would've been better off staying on SD...

[Jaysin]

Ziggler/Morrison, eh? Sounds pretty nice, but I must say I think Ziggler would've been better off staying on SD...

Yeah...Morrison would have been better off staying on SD too

[Teh_Showtime]

Morrison did the Moonlight Drive for the first time in like a year

[Jaysin]

"I bring it via satellite"

GOLDEN!

[Astil]

That would be Cena 2 Rock 0...

[Jaysin]

Thank you for not letting Rock and Cena to continue shadowing The Miz.

Know your role and be the best Ryan Seacrest you can be!

[jjohns44]

I bet this whole Cena/Rock schtick is to give Ryan Seacrest a false sense of security. Come the match, Rock is gonna help Cena win and get that belt off of him...

[Jaysin]

Watching WCW Uncensored 1997 for the first time in years. I forget the results, but the card looks awesome on paper.

[Tha Black Phenom]

That would be Cena 2 Rock 0...

I'd say Rock 1. I thought Cena was gonna address the passion thing but I guess he could attack the only weak spot possible. But yeah, Cena's brought it again.

I was fairly content with Raw being Miz-free, though. :p

Mediocre matches, great Raw in terms of hype and entertainment. So many things to list, but for now Cole's temper tantrum sticks to mind the most.

[Jaysin]

Hahahahaha

Piper was "trying" to do the Four Horsemen hand sign and he flicked off the camera.

[Eisen-verse]

I have to say.... I disliked him A LOT at first.... I thought he would amount to nothing when he first joined the WWE... Hell, I didn't even think he would make it this far as an active competitor in the company as a whole.... BUT...

I believe the Miz is Awesome!

Call me a full-fledged convert; I love this guy. He plays his heel-schtick perfectly every time. Tonight, he took it to a whole new level in my mind. Sure, he did mess up slightly on his promo at one point but overall he blew it out of the water. Honestly, with Jericho gone now, the Miz really stands as THE best Heel in the WWE (maybe only challenged by CM Punk; who I love soooo very much as well).

I've always been a heel guy; however, he really proved his worth to me; and has for quite some time really.

That is all.

Cheers.

E-V

[Hashasheen]

I have to say.... I disliked him A LOT at first.... I thought he would amount to nothing when he first joined the WWE... Hell, I didn't even think he would make it this far as an active competitor in the company as a whole.... BUT...

I believe the Miz is Awesome!

Call me a full-fledged convert; I love this guy. He plays his heel-schtick perfectly every time. Tonight, he took it to a whole new level in my mind. Sure, he did mess up slightly on his promo at one point but overall he blew it out of the water. Honestly, with Jericho gone now, the Miz really stands as THE best Heel in the WWE (maybe only challenged by CM Punk; who I love soooo very much as well).

I've always been a heel guy; however, he really proved his worth to me; and has for quite some time really.

That is all.

Cheers.

E-V

... We'll agree to disagree.

[ampulator]

... We'll agree to disagree.
He's the best the WWE will have in a long while. He's certainly a reprieve from Cena. He's nowhere near as good as Edge or Jericho was, but he's the best they got.

[Hashasheen]

He's the best the WWE will have in a long while. He's certainly a reprieve from Cena. He's nowhere near as good as Edge or Jericho was, but he's the best they got.

Like I said, we'll agree to disagree. I respect his hardwork in making it to the top, but I don't see him as the top heel. Or a good wrestler.

[Eisen-verse]

Like I said, we'll agree to disagree. I respect his hardwork in making it to the top, but I don't see him as the top heel. Or a good wrestler.

He's not a great wrestler from a traditional standard but he is for the modern-day product for the WWE; one much like the late 80's and early 90's where Entertainment was FAR more important than anything else. Hulk Hogan, and the Ultimate Warrior, are two examples of guys who were terrible in the ring but became big due to their persona's. Now, I'm not saying the Miz will EVER get to that point, as it's almost impossible, but what I am saying is that he's done a great job of conveying a unique persona within a mold of luke-warm standards as of late.

Will he wrestle circles around people? No. Then again, given the WWE's product style, such a fact isn't needed really. The bigger draw from a WWE standpoint is whether or not you can entertain....

In my eyes, he does exactly that... Entertain.

That said, I totally understand why Hash (or anyone for that matter) would still not like the guy. Even as I wrote it out I knew there would be some blow-back. All in all, I guess I'm just saying I, myself, am a Fan of his work; nothing more than that I guess. :D

[crownsy]

Like I said, we'll agree to disagree. I respect his hardwork in making it to the top, but I don't see him as the top heel. Or a good wrestler.

I get the not a good wrestler thing, although i think he's improved leaps and bounds since he tagged with morrision two years ago and is getting pretty solid in the ring now, but not spectacular.

But if you don't think he's a a good to great heel mic skill wise....I just don't know what your looking for out of a brash heel playing the "****y kid" gimmick to prefection.

I'm a convert too, kid belongs. When they first split Him and JoMo up i thought he'd be stuck with his goofy hat in the midcard forever. He's proved me wrong.

Also I like the trust shown in ziggler, hope he makes it up the card. The thing is, and this applies to Jomo too, that you can only go so far on smackdown.

Your reward for looking like you belong in the B brands main event scene is a promotion to raw to see what you've got. Unfortunately by it's very top heavy nature, that tends to be sink or swim. Punk swam, Jomo sank.

Hopefully ziggler swims.

[ampulator]

He's not a great wrestler from a traditional standard but he is for the modern-day product for the WWE; one much like the late 80's and early 90's where Entertainment was FAR more important than anything else. Hulk Hogan, and the Ultimate Warrior, are two examples of guys who were terrible in the ring but became big due to their persona's. Now, I'm not saying the Miz will EVER get to that point, as it's almost impossible, but what I am saying is that he's done a great job of conveying a unique persona within a mold of luke-warm standards as of late.

Will he wrestle circles around people? No. Then again, given the WWE's product style, such a fact isn't needed really. The bigger draw from a WWE standpoint is whether or not you can entertain....

In my eyes, he does exactly that... Entertain.

That said, I totally understand why Hash (or anyone for that matter) would still not like the guy. Even as I wrote it out I knew there would be some blow-back. All in all, I guess I'm just saying I, myself, am a Fan of his work; nothing more than that I guess. :D
I agree. For what WWE needs, he meets their demands. In fact, he FAR exceeds it.

In TEW terms, he's a guy with good performance skills with weak "Top-Row skills", but great Entertainment skills. Let's compare that to guy like Ted Dibiase Jr. Decent wrestler, decent looks but not so good in psychology, selling, on the mic, and has the charisma of a piece of wood. The Miz is little worse than Dibiase in terms of wrestling, but has decent psychology and selling, great mic work, great charisma.

As a guy that criticizes the WWE a lot (and you can't say I don't), I would say the Miz is close as we are going to get to someone that doesn't tick all the wrong boxes for the generic IWC fan, AND meets the WWE's needs. All that's all we can hope for. And this comes from a guy that criticizes them.

[Hashasheen]

He's not a great wrestler from a traditional standard but he is for the modern-day product for the WWE; one much like the late 80's and early 90's where Entertainment was FAR more important than anything else. Hulk Hogan, and the Ultimate Warrior, are two examples of guys who were terrible in the ring but became big due to their persona's. Now, I'm not saying the Miz will EVER get to that point, as it's almost impossible, but what I am saying is that he's done a great job of conveying a unique persona within a mold of luke-warm standards as of late.

1. It's not because of a traditional standard or what not. I just don't like him based on my standards for liking a wrestler or not. Also, Hogan used to be epic in the ring. Look for his Japan/early stuff.

Will he wrestle circles around people? No. Then again, given the WWE's product style, such a fact isn't needed really. The bigger draw from a WWE standpoint is whether or not you can entertain....

In my eyes, he does exactly that... Entertain.

I'm no ROHbot demanding wrestling 24/7 (Though Final Countdown did introduce me to them). I'm just not entertained by The Miz, like I'm not entertained by Triple H, or Randy Orton or Matt Hardy, or Rey Mysterio. His character is not entertaining, his ring work - while improving - is not entertaning, and the same goes for his mic-work. I'm just not a fan. *shrugs*


But if you don't think he's a a good to great heel mic skill wise....I just don't know what your looking for out of a brash heel playing the "****y kid" gimmick to prefection. ****y kid? And here I thought he was playing the egomaniac.

[ampulator]

1. It's not because of a traditional standard or what not. I just don't like him based on my standards for liking a wrestler or not. Also, Hogan used to be epic in the ring. Look for his Japan/early stuff.


I'm no ROHbot demanding wrestling 24/7 (Though Final Countdown did introduce me to them). I'm just not entertained by The Miz, like I'm not entertained by Triple H, or Randy Orton or Matt Hardy, or Rey Mysterio. His character is not entertaining, his ring work - while improving - is not entertaning, and the same goes for his mic-work. I'm just not a fan. *shrugs*

****y kid? And here I thought he was playing the egomaniac.
Those are fair points. But as a guy who feels that the WWE disappointed me in the past, the Miz is the least worst option right now.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm not entertained by Miz either, still. He's come a long way(sometimes I watch his first segments in WWE for laughs) he's hustling his way through the business, all talent no doubt, but the way he brings it, mannerisms and style abound, it's just.. I don't know. Not the first time I've seen an extra EXTRA face close-up of him last night(though I guess the cameraman had it in for his money, did it for Cena/Cole too). And I thought The Rock had it going in terms of Large Ham but The Miz takes it to eleven.

[Basmat01]

1. It's not because of a traditional standard or what not. I just don't like him based on my standards for liking a wrestler or not. Also, Hogan used to be epic in the ring. Look for his Japan/early stuff.


I'm no ROHbot demanding wrestling 24/7 (Though Final Countdown did introduce me to them). I'm just not entertained by The Miz, like I'm not entertained by Triple H, or Randy Orton or Matt Hardy, or Rey Mysterio. His character is not entertaining, his ring work - while improving - is not entertaning, and the same goes for his mic-work. I'm just not a fan. *shrugs*

****y kid? And here I thought he was playing the egomaniac.

Who does entertain you in WWE?

[milamber]

David Otunga's in good shape and finally looking better than crap in the ring. If he trains hard he could be a decent wrestler in the future.

The creative team need to be careful with Orton. When he's not in a title match they try to compensate (and/or try to keep him happy) by turning him into Super "RKO everyone in sight" Orton. Better than Super Cena because of his agression amd head punts, but sometimes they need to make Orton look a bit more beatable.

Awesome seeing Christian wrestle again. Interesting seeing Brodus Clay (who reminds of King Kong Bundy) straight over from NXT. I wonder how long he'll last.

The Sin Cara promo was cool. Looks' like he's keeping his best moves (presumably minus the El Pendulu aka Tiger Feint Kick which Rey uses as the 619).

The Cole/JBL/Austin segment was fun.

I don't mind Sheamus' losing streak so long as the desperation pays off in his upcoming fueds. I'd like to see him go on a title rampage. First win the US title and stomp on the belt saying it's worthless and move on to the IC title etc. And generally demolish everyone in his path. Or they can have McIntyre do it. A really agressive heel kicking everyone's ass like Kane last year.

On the other hand CM Punk is on a winning streak which is great. If Punk beats Orton at Mania, Ill be happy.

Shawn Michaels is doing a great job of selling HHH v Undertaker.

Ziggler on RAW is interesting and who better to face than Morrison. I hope they have an all-out quickfire match at Mania.

Cena was on fire again. "I bring it via Satellite!" I really hope Miz beats him at Mania, though.

[Teh_Showtime]

this from CM Punk's twitter

CMPunk “@EveMarieTorres: Happy Women's History month. (anyone sense my sarcasm?)” Enjoy your month. Lots of dishes to do come April.

[Jaysin]

Someone posted this on facebook saying its from CM Punk's twitter.

I llol'd

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/VenomousPrime/rock.jpg

[djthefunkchris]

That would be Cena 2 Rock 0...

/nod. I'm starting to be a little bit let down by the Rock to be honest. Waiting for him to show up again on Raw, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime before Wrestlemania.

[Tha Black Phenom]

He's rumored to have an appearance or two in store before Mania. Guess that's why I wasn't fussed about it. Funny pic.

[djthefunkchris]

He's rumored to have an appearance or two in store before Mania. Guess that's why I wasn't fussed about it. Funny pic.

Ah, that's kind of comforting. Just really, after the first promo, then Cena's reaction, I was expecting alot more from The Rock. What really got to me is that I found Cena's second promo a let-down as well.... as if he was holding back so as to make it aproachable for The Rock to come back on him again. After The Miz schtick, I was hoping it was a matter of him being cut-off by The Miz, and they just didn't convey that properly (far as the promo was concerned).

[Fantabulous]

THAT was meant to be a 'knockout blow'? It was lame, unfunny and all it did was make Cena come off as an insincere prick whose head you wanted to cave in.

And a tip for Miz; don't get so close to the camera, especially when you're trying to play tough. You just look like a kid trying to act like a wrestler in his You Tube video. Heck, he looks like a kid at the best of times, but when he got up close it just killed any sense of credibility he might have. He looks too young, way too young, to take seriously in any kind of role.

The Austin thing was fun and it made some sense out of making him the guest referee.

[Tha Black Phenom]

And a tip for Miz; don't gets so close to the camera, especially when you're trying to play tough. You just look like a kid trying to act like a wrestler in his You Tube video. Heck, he looks like a kid at the best of times, but when he got up close it just killed any sense of credibility he might have. He looks too young, way too young, to take seriously in any kind of role.

The Austin thing was fun and it made some sense out of making him the guest referee.

That was the feeling I got. He just sometimes comes across to me as a 5" kid in high school who goes to great lengths to get noticed... and even though he has the apparel , it still sticks out like a sore thumb to some.

[Jaysin]

The close up on the Miz was because a fan jumped the guard rail and was trying to get in the ring.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Though wasn't that taken care of a bit after the second belt shot to Cena? At which point the camera was still at a normal close-up on Miz while the fan rushed the ring and was subsequently taken care of. Miz bent down and talked to Cena and everything, after which only when he sprung up to address The Rock, the close-up begun. I'm sure it wouldn't have taken all that time to take care of the fan... I figure what with Cena and Cole having similar close-ups throughout the show that it was genuinely the cameraman/producers' doing.

[Jaysin]

I'm not sure, I just chalked it up to the fan thing.

[ampulator]

THAT was meant to be a 'knockout blow'? It was lame, unfunny and all it did was make Cena come off as an insincere prick whose head you wanted to cave in.

And a tip for Miz; don't get so close to the camera, especially when you're trying to play tough. You just look like a kid trying to act like a wrestler in his You Tube video. Heck, he looks like a kid at the best of times, but when he got up close it just killed any sense of credibility he might have. He looks too young, way too young, to take seriously in any kind of role.

The Austin thing was fun and it made some sense out of making him the guest referee.
That's the whole point to the Miz, though. If you listen to his explanations of what and who the Miz should be, it's pretty much what you listed.

[b0shey]

- Diva-Dirt reported today that WWE has signed 22 year old Australian women's wrestler Tenille Tayla to a developmental deal.

still surprised WWE hasn't signed Jessie Mckay or Rayna von Tosh as they have more the typical WWE diva look.

[LoNdOn]

I personally thought that The Miz portion of the show was pretty good and I enjoyed it when he hit the Peoples' Elbow. Having said that, the Cena bit beforehand was pretty weak up until he revealed the shirt. I quite liked the Rock's sattelite promo the week prior although it would have greatly benefitted from being in the ring.

[Fantabulous]

That's the whole point to the Miz, though. If you listen to his explanations of what and who the Miz should be, it's pretty much what you listed.

Miz would make a great manager because he can talk, but putting him in the ring against anyone, top guys especially, is like when they put Heenan against the Warrior; nice for a laugh but nothing to really care about. There is no physical role for Miz that I can take seriously because there is nothing about him to take seriously. Like someone else said, he's that annoying kid at school who tries desperately to get people to notice him for anything, and when they do notice him they just laugh in his face at what a joke he is and then get on with their lives.

[PeterHilton]

Clearly you guys never saw the way he dominated in the Real World/Road Rules Challenges.

[crownsy]

Miz would make a great manager because he can talk, but putting him in the ring against anyone, top guys especially, is like when they put Heenan against the Warrior; nice for a laugh but nothing to really care about. There is no physical role for Miz that I can take seriously because there is nothing about him to take seriously. Like someone else said, he's that annoying kid at school who tries desperately to get people to notice him for anything, and when they do notice him they just laugh in his face at what a joke he is and then get on with their lives.

See, i think that's just the IWC's preception of him.

To me, he's actually decent in the ring. Sure, he's a grappler/brawler but he's no worse to me than other M/E's over the year who could talk. I like his finisher, he has some decent set up moves, and he's really gotten his body into shape over the last two years.

When he started, I would have agreed with the above. Since he stepped it up post firing when he came back with short trunks, this is just lazy or biased analysis.

Not saying he's a technical superstar, But he has a decent set of moves, deosn't botch, and can tell a story with his in ring phsych. Plenty of guys his size have gotten by on less, and he continues to improve.

Witness that Lawler/Miz match from the last PPV. I thought that was going to be an epic disaster given LAwler's current ability, but Miz worked well, carried the king at times, and told a pretty good story.

It was no instant classic, but considering it was a 60 year old man who has 2 moves and they put on a 15 minute decent match where everyone was epecting an epic fail, some credit has to be given.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

See, i think that's just the IWC's preception of him.

To me, he's actually decent in the ring. Sure, he's a grappler/brawler but he's no worse to me than other M/E's over the year who could talk. I like his finisher, he has some decent set up moves, and he's really gotten his body into shape over the last two years.

When he started, I would have agreed with the above. Since he stepped it up post firing when he came back with short trunks, this is just lazy or biased analysis.

Not saying he's a technical superstar, But he has a decent set of moves, deosn't botch, and can tell a story with his in ring phsych. Plenty of guys his size have gotten by on less, and he continues to improve.

Witness that Lawler/Miz match from the last PPV. I thought that was going to be an epic disaster given LAwler's current ability, but Miz worked well, carried the king at times, and told a pretty good story.

It was no instant classic, but considering it was a 60 year old man who has 2 moves and they put on a 15 minute decent match where everyone was epecting an epic fail, some credit has to be given.

I think he meant the baby face/lack of imposing physique.

[lazorbeak]

- Diva-Dirt reported today that WWE has signed 22 year old Australian women's wrestler Tenille Tayla to a developmental deal.

still surprised WWE hasn't signed Jessie Mckay or Rayna von Tosh as they have more the typical WWE diva look.

Jessie McKay has the typical diva look? I guess I'd go with Jennifer Blake before either of those two in terms of "diva" look.

[Fantabulous]

I think he meant the baby face/lack of imposing physique.

It's his face, it's his look, it's everything about him. There is absolutely nothing Miz can do, when presented as a proper wrestler, that I can take seriously. Everything about him comes off like he's that annoying little kid in school who wants to be taken seriously by the bigger kids so he dresses like they do, acts like they do, talks like they do, and when they finally notice him they laugh at how pathetic and lame he is and then go back to something that matters.

It's not an 'IWC' thing it's just how I feel about Miz. Obviously, there are people who think more highly of him, but for me, he's just a joke in every sense of the word.

[PeterHilton]

It's his face, it's his look, it's everything about him. There is absolutely nothing Miz can do, when presented as a proper wrestler, that I can take seriously. Everything about him comes off like he's that annoying little kid in school who wants to be taken seriously by the bigger kids so he dresses like they do, acts like they do, talks like they do, and when they finally notice him they laugh at how pathetic and lame he is and then go back to something that matters.

It's not an 'IWC' thing it's just how I feel about Miz. Obviously, there are people who think more highly of him, but for me, he's just a joke in every sense of the word.

Thats a pretty harsh assessment

I mean..it's not like the guy is a cruiserweight. He's around 6' 240 and is no smaller than guys like Jericho or Christian physically.

I know he's presented as a cowardly heel, but it's not like someone has to completely suspend their disbelief to see him as an athlete

[crownsy]

I think he meant the baby face/lack of imposing physique.

Why does he need to be? Not every worker has to be 6'5 250.

Espically for a heel playing the sneaky, coniving narcasist.

I feel like miz is just screwed with a large percentage of the IWC because he hasent got a knockout look or alternatively isn't a plucky internet darling and they are pissed he made it.

Luckly we make up a small percentage of wrestling fans, and I think for the most part miz is pretty over heel heat wise. Dunno if he een can be a face, seems to be a natural heel.

[crownsy]

It's his face, it's his look, it's everything about him. There is absolutely nothing Miz can do, when presented as a proper wrestler, that I can take seriously. Everything about him comes off like he's that annoying little kid in school who wants to be taken seriously by the bigger kids so he dresses like they do, acts like they do, talks like they do, and when they finally notice him they laugh at how pathetic and lame he is and then go back to something that matters.

It's not an 'IWC' thing it's just how I feel about Miz. Obviously, there are people who think more highly of him, but for me, he's just a joke in every sense of the word.



Well I mean that's your personal assessment, I think the reality of the situation and his heel heat + the growing percentage of people who appreciate his work completely disagree with your assesme t that he's some Midgard mullet who the front office is pushing despite the fans wishes.

He connects with the crowd, so he can't be as complete useless as your trying to make out.

[PeterHilton]

Why does he need to be? Not every worker has to be 6'5 250.

Espically for a heel playing the sneaky, coniving narcasist.

I feel like miz is just screwed with a large percentage of the IWC because he hasent got a knockout look or alternatively isn't a plucky internet darling and they are pissed he made it.

Luckly we make up a small percentage of wrestling fans, and I think for the most part miz is pretty over heel heat wise. Dunno if he een can be a face, seems to be a natural heel.

I agree with most of that, but I think he could be a face pretty easily

I mean..if you followed along with Mike during his Reality TV days, he's not some actor or former athlete who saw wrestling as a career move. He LOVES pro wrestling. LOVES it.

You run some videos of him wearing ring gear as a kid ...the same way guys like Edge and Christian and Jericho did...a guy who literally fought his way into living his dream job...and you could get him over as a face. The fact that he has a catchphrase the crowd can follow along with makes it even easier.