The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[The Final Countdown]

I hope TNA doesn't decide to sign him but instead ROH brings him in! He would do better there.
He's been in ROH previously, but that was a few years ago. I suppose a return is possible, assuming he doesn't get a developmental deal.

[juggaloninjalee]

He's been in ROH previously, but that was a few years ago. I suppose a return is possible, assuming he doesn't get a developmental deal.

I don't have a lot of hope for TNA using guys well.

[joehelmer]

I think that he might go into development in FCW, maybe the trainers there can help find a suitable personality and show him how to work the "WWE style".

[Hive]

Give the guy a mask and a mouthpiece.

[OctoberRaven]

I don't have a link to it, but he was in the CHIKARA King of Trios 2010 as part of their Rey de Valedores ("King of Flyers") mini-tournament, and was outdone by all his opponents both in pure high flying but in psychology. All he did was sloppy dives and one decent looking corner attack spot and some pedestrian at best matwork. In matches against even three other high flyers he stuck out as the slowest and least impressive guy in the bunch. He ended up getting booed out of the building.

Like I said, he is absolutely nothing special.

[brashleyholland]

A
I think I must be missing the point of the show. It is enjoyable to watch from an entertainment perspective but the criteria for which they assess the contestants is beyond me. Do I want to hire the guy who gets dizzy from a forward roll and admitted that he would leave if his girlfriend asked him to come home, the girl who pads her ass to run the ropes and disrespects the whole process by turning up late, or the guy who can work a good match and just needs a rew touches here and there? Seems like an easy choice to me but like I said, I must be missing the point somewhat.


To be upfront, I haven't watched Tough Enough (saw a little of last weeks)...but from reading this thread, it seems like there are a lot of similarities with a very similar show which is more my neck of the woods, namely The Ultimate Fighter. A lot of the issues people have with it are the same issues many MMA fans had with TUF years ago.

London hit the nail on the head with the highlighted phrase...Tough Enough isn't about finding the next big WWE star, otherwise the Miss World (who I'm assuming has no wrestling background) wouldn't have even made the second call back. The Afro guy who was too unfit to run across the ring would have been turfed out; he's not going to get super fit in the few weeks that it takes to film these shows.

All TE is there for is to provide the TV network with 12 weeks of good ratings. End of. Its the same with TUF, talented fighters are turned away from the trials and casting calls in droves in favour of TV-friendly personalities, many of whom can't fight for s**t. I've been to TUF trials and casting before and believe me, the UFC brass who are filmed watching them have basically no say whatsoever as to who makes the final cut. They don't even do full record checks until the final stages of elimination. Amir Sadollah lied about his record to get on (he was 0-0, with a couple of amateur bouts) but the Spike TV peeps wanted him in because he was a good personality.

Point being, so what if this Matt guy was the best wrestler on the show. The show isn't about finding the best wrestler, it's about 12 weeks of passable TV.

[SeanMcFly]

That's not something to be proud of. I've never even been in a pro wrestling ring before, I'm legally blind without my glasses and I have no cardio, but I can probably work better than most of the TE crew, Matt Cross included.

All he does is random flippy moves, with no substance or meaning to any of them. And he's not even really THAT spectacular at doing crazy flippy moves.

93% of the combined rosters of Dragon Gate and CHIKARA can do what he does, only better. And the other 7% might not be as flippy but are still better overall.

Here you go, genius. If you can do that, I'll believe you can work better than Matt Cross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XM1ZtzB7s

[OctoberRaven]

So, by your logic, Ric Flair wasn't a better worker than Matt Cross because he didn't do moves like that?

Kenta Kobashi threw some of the nastiest suplexes ever and held crowds in the palm of his hands just by the emotion he brought into the ring, but that doesn't matter because he couldn't do impoding 630 sentons?

For years the Rock's moveset consisted entirely of punches, a DDT, a spinebuster and like three finishing moves, but who cares if he can't fly like Matt Cross?

Doing crazy flips =/= being a good worker.

Mind you, you can do crazy flips AND be a good worker, but you can also be a very bad worker. Matt Cross is the second of the two.

[LoNdOn]

So, by your logic, Ric Flair wasn't a better worker than Matt Cross because he didn't do moves like that?

Kenta Kobashi threw some of the nastiest suplexes ever and held crowds in the palm of his hands just by the emotion he brought into the ring, but that doesn't matter because he couldn't do impoding 630 sentons?

For years the Rock's moveset consisted entirely of punches, a DDT, a spinebuster and like three finishing moves, but who cares if he can't fly like Matt Cross?

Doing crazy flips =/= being a good worker.

Mind you, you can do crazy flips AND be a good worker, but you can also be a very bad worker. Matt Cross is the second of the two.

The thing is, he isn't a very bad worker. I'll grant you that he isn't one of the best, but that doesn't mean he is very bad.

[OctoberRaven]

Well, the reason I don't care much for Matt Cross is I go by the idea that it's not what you can do, but how you do it.

I can enjoy high flying matches. But I like them when they are fluid matches with context and a flow to them. I've never seen Matt Cross do much of that... he always comes off as a guy whose just trying to get on the highlight reel.

[crownsy]

Here you go, genius. If you can do that, I'll believe you can work better than Matt Cross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XM1ZtzB7s

He Botched both the push off (though the other guy helped) and came down awkwardly on his knees. It was a very athletic move, but not exactly well executed.

Again, I understand he can go Flippy Flippy really well. I'm looking for a bit more in my Wrestlers if they are going to move me to "ARRRGHGHG I HATE THIS SHOW NOW!!!!" levels by there departure.

Are there other people on there who are worse wrestlers? sure, a bunch.

Am I surprised he got cut based on what he showed that week? Nope.

Matt Cross is A above average spot monkey with little to no in ring mat skills, he's just not overly impressive to me.

He's like a bigger Evan Bourne Minus the Charisma.

[Save_Us.Necro]

If Cross went to the WWE it would only be to fufill their potential need for spot monkeys. Problem for him is Mistico and Bourne are there and are doing an good job at it. Cross is a pretty good high flyer (even though most of his move set wouldn't be allowed in the WWE) but his technical and charisma work need serious help. He had an awful run in ROH which proved this.

We need to remind ourselves that this is the WWE. For the most part good wrestlers are bypassed for good entertainers. And aside from his flips, Cross isn't tremendously entertaining.

[critical-23]

If Cross went to the WWE it would only be to fufill their potential need for spot monkeys. Problem for him is Mistico and Bourne are there and are doing an good job at it. Cross is a pretty good high flyer (even though most of his move set wouldn't be allowed in the WWE) but his technical and charisma work need serious help. He had an awful run in ROH which proved this.

We need to remind ourselves that this is the WWE. For the most part good wrestlers are bypassed for good entertainers. And aside from his flips, Cross isn't tremendously entertaining.

Took the words right out of my mouth! Loved Matty from his Yard Tard days but WWE ain't really for him. Oh well.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Well, the reason I don't care much for Matt Cross is I go by the idea that it's not what you can do, but how you do it.

I can enjoy high flying matches. But I like them when they are fluid matches with context and a flow to them. I've never seen Matt Cross do much of that... he always comes off as a guy whose just trying to get on the highlight reel.

Much like our resident John Morrison.

[The Final Countdown]

Much like our resident John Morrison.
Morrison has a much better look than Matt Cross, and has charisma (note that I said charisma, not microphone skills.)

[Tha Black Phenom]

I didn't mean to compare the two, just touching on the high-flying point.

[Teh_Showtime]

And Morrison has raised a few people's game. Like the infamous match on SD with Batista. Or the multitude of matches with Jeff Hardy.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Oh man, Imma miss Edge. And no way did that crowd deserve that moment. They were dead all night.

[LoNdOn]

Matt Cross' audition video

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/toughenough/video/#v1319499


Where was that character?

[djthefunkchris]

Matt Cross' audition video

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/toughenough/video/#v1319499


Where was that character?

I think that's the problem, I didn't see that character. I seen the video's linked, and I like them (I understand other's opinions, but I still see something that "could be"). I like this one the best, but.... You know there is a big difference between standing by yourself with a friend holding a camera, or filming yourself talking, and standing in front of strangers doing the same thing, Holding a mic (Just speaking in a microphone can be a challenge, then without one... Meaning, some people have no problem talking to a huge group of people at one time without a mic, but put a mic in their hand and all the sudden it's really soft spoken, comes off sounding scared-and in reality, they are). I seen the footage, and outside of a few yells here and there..... I can't help to think the guy is mic shy, which can come off as a few different things (some good, some bad).

In any case, would have liked to see him stick it out longer, but I have to still say that we didn't get to see any of this stuff... and he ticked off Austin. IMO I don't think Austin was ready for him to go yet, but somehow he struck a nerve, and Austin's like... "What are you waiting for?!?" and he's like "Permission to speak sir." I cringed and so did everyone else watching at the time with me... I mean litterally this is what you heard while I was watching that exact point "Goodbye, nice seeing ya." "I can't believe he just said that." "Well, I guess that's it for you." "Come on dude, get in his face!" I was watching with six friends, and everyone had something to say... so much that I had to ask someone to turn up the volume, so I could here what was coming (which it was obvious).

Was he the worse? No. Was he the worse at that particular instance? Ya, I'm afraid he was just sounding like a kiss butt there at the end, and I could tell he wanted to cry/was amazed this was happening. It looked like it come off as High and Mighty to Austin though, which is why I think he ultimately was chosen..... "I'm totally awesome, just waiting for the right time to shine!" "Yeah, well what if I waited for the right time to shine? I mean look at me, I knew the Ringmaster gimmick sucked, but it was a foot in. I took that foot and made something happen. What if I just layed back and didn't? Do you think I would have had any success?" etc. He said all that so Matt would have a better answer, and he said "Permission to speak" after a long rant about Taking charge of a situation and Doing what you know you can do. He should have told Austin "Look, now that you put it that way (or something similar), I messed up. I should have showed more then I have, and I'm going to do that right now!" Then did anything at all to show him he meant "right now!" AND forevermore (just like Raven, see what I did there).

Instead he says "I promise you I can, I'm just waiting...." After a long rant about NOT waiting... I knew, everyone I was watching it knew, He was gone from that point on. LISTEN, take the advice, and do what is obvious.

It's like at a job, your boss comes up and says "Hey, I need you to do better with "Z", it's not up to my standards." You say "No problem, I'll take care of that." NOT "Well, I didn't realise that was part of my job." or "I'm not the one that was working on that." etc... All excuses to the boss. He just wants to here "Taken care of" and it's no skin off your back, because he's not BLAMING you for it, just hopes you can take care of it. NOW, if he said "YOU aren't doing the job right." and talks about alot of stuff you couldn't have done anything about, then yeah... you let him know. But if the boss just wants a job handled, "I'm on it!" is what will let people know you get the job done.

That's all Matt had to do really. Not "If you just hold off, I'll show you, I promise." No, why wait? "Do it now!". I personally believe that if Matt would have jumped up and started doing stuff as soon as Austin said something to him about not doing anything... He would still be in the competition...

Example: "You haven't shown us anything? For all purposes, Miss USA has done everything you've done. What have you got?" and Matt immediately got on the ropes and did something, or even on the matt.... Whatever, I believe Austin would have gone "That's what I'm talking about you stupid ... .. . .....! Alright, alright, get back over here. Moving on, what about you, Mr. Potential!?!"

[Hive]

Val Venis with a pretty funny and profane rant against John Morrison:

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Val_Venis_Goes_Nuts_On_John_Morrison__Melina_.php

[Lo-Drew]

With Edge gone, WWE is now paying for not establishing anyone. See now on Smackdown you have Del Rio, Christian, Rhodes, Mysterio, Big Show, Barrett, Kingston and Kane. Guys who are good but not have had that main event push(except Kane, Show and Barrett for like four months).

However, this is the time to really start push Kingston, Barrett, Rhodes and others gradually.

[Teh_Showtime]

When is Zack Ryder gonna get his push? Appearantly he is making lots of friends backstage with his youtube show (episode 9 is crazy good, check it out) and some in high places.

He could feud with Christian in the fall if Christian wins the World title, drops it around July to ADR, and is done with Del Rio going into the Fall season. He could be built up during that time and it could be great both with their history with Edge.

Ryder needs to get over ASAP....

[Rone Rivendale]

Internet popularity doesn't equal WWE success.

Ryder already was doing a webshow directly on wwe.com a while back and that didn't give him any pushes. Sure it gave him the woo woo woo character but outside of a short fued with Christian on ECW, he's been nothing but a jobber with untapped potential.

But trust me, I would LOVE a push for Ryder. He is one of my favorites along with Christian, Santino, and now Sin Cara.

[Teh_Showtime]

whenever Rhodes/Rey or Kofi/Barrett is over he could be a viable option for Kofi or Rey IMO. Dont really see him getting on Raw though

[GatorBait19]

With Edge gone, WWE is now paying for not establishing anyone. See now on Smackdown you have Del Rio, Christian, Rhodes, Mysterio, Big Show, Barrett, Kingston and Kane. Guys who are good but not have had that main event push(except Kane, Show and Barrett for like four months).

However, this is the time to really start push Kingston, Barrett, Rhodes and others gradually.

Just because someone doesn't hold a title doesn't mean that haven't and cant be that guy.

Show and Kane are old and would be more of trans. champs now. Rey has been there, Christian is over with the fans and Rio is probably going to win at Extreme Rules. Kingston hasn't been pushed like that because in my opinion he lacks a little on the Mic. SD is the second brand though and if anything they can move a person from Raw over to SD to take over a feud with Del Rio. I can't remember either the last time WWE built a PPV off a SD mainevent. Hell Del Rio was the Rumble winner and him and Edge went on first.

[ShaunGBD]

He's like a bigger Evan Bourne Minus the Charisma.

That's how I explain to my friend who Matt Cross is

[Jaysin]

Internet popularity doesn't equal WWE success.

Ryder already was doing a webshow directly on wwe.com a while back and that didn't give him any pushes. Sure it gave him the woo woo woo character but outside of a short fued with Christian on ECW, he's been nothing but a jobber with untapped potential.

But trust me, I would LOVE a push for Ryder. He is one of my favorites along with Christian, Santino, and now Sin Cara.

No, the woo woo woo thing came from the Miz and Morrison making fun of Zack Ryder on the Dirt Sheet.

[djthefunkchris]

I don't see them not pushing Zach as a "bad" thing. I haven't seen anything that says anything but "Hey, I'm a goofball fan just happy to be here." The character in my opinion is worse for a push then Santino's character... Both comedy acts, but at least Santino is funny. His web stuff is worse then I would expect from most of the people here... I think Astils stuff is better (for example). I'm glad he does it, I think it's fun for people, but there is nothing that says "Oh my god, they made a horrible mistake by not pushing Zach!!"

I felt that way about Morrison as well though, and he has really come up in ranks (to me). I don't see him as a main eventer, but I see him as that guy that can do anything they need him for, in between Mid and Upper Mid.

Now that video by Venis... Take out all the cursing, and that was a kick butt promo.

[critical-23]

Val Venis with a pretty funny and profane rant against John Morrison:

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Val_Venis_Goes_Nuts_On_John_Morrison__Melina_.php

Only thing I hated about this vid was the comments some marks made about Val trying to get back in the business which is BS because Val spoke from the heart and seeing how WWE is PG and all he would have NOT cursed as much as he did. Still funny as hell though.

[Slim Jim]

He works for WWE... in what way would that video be an assistance to him in the business? It's hardly Matt Hardy/Edge levels of "real heat" that they could put onscreen and they already know what he can do in and out of the ring. Some people are silly.

[BHK1978]

Val Venis with a pretty funny and profane rant against John Morrison:

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Val_Venis_Goes_Nuts_On_John_Morrison__Melina_.php

You know I agree with him, I mean if I had to choose between seeing Melina or Trish in a match it is Trish all day long. Trish is better in the ring in my opinion and is much better looking (sorry if that sounds sexist but that is the way I feel.).

[Save_Us.Necro]

Funny Morrison jumps all over Trish but Batista gets a free pass.

Trish honestly made more sense than Melina, who's character has gone to hell in the span of a year. Wouldn't be shocked if she gets released soon.

[joehelmer]

Trish, who hasn't been wrestling for years, is a much better wrestler at this point than Melina is and Trish got more charisma and is, as been said, better looking. Val is correct on everything he says, sure I like Morrison's in-ring abilities but he seems to be too attached to Melina.

[Fantabulous]

Trish didn't 'steal' the spot she had at Wrestlemania. Vince McMahon thought she would be the best person for the spot and gave it to her instead of Melina or any of the other women on the roster. He makes the call as to who goes in what spot in what match. He's the guy to be mad at.

And Val Venis was very obviously cutting a promo. Who knows why and, quite frankly, I don't care. But it was still just a promo.

[juggaloninjalee]

Val Venis with a pretty funny and profane rant against John Morrison:

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Val_Venis_Goes_Nuts_On_John_Morrison__Melina_.php

I loved that video. Val Venis is great! While John Morrison is fun to watch wrestle I agree with how everyone views him. He is a wuss. He didn't step up to Batista because he fears him. It seems very obvious. He really does need to cut the ho loose and move on. His career would get better and he wouldn't get so much crap from other guys in the business. Nobody seems to respect him for what he allowed.

[Gabbo]

Things like that make me sad Val never became a world champion. Often thought in my youth it was because he was similar to to Triple H. Same gravelly voice, long hair and beard, dark trunks etc.

Then Jericho mentioned in his book how nice Venis was and how he'd do a job for anyone. Just didn't care enough about his own career to be selfish enough to look after his spot.

People talk about O'Haire, Kennedy, Carlito, Benjamin and more as potential mega stars but every one of them lacked something, a look, charisma, wrestling ability, psychology, marketability.

Venis had it all.

[Slim Jim]

Could be the fact that he was lumbered with a Porn Star gimmick and managed to pull it off so well and successfully that not only was he not a forgetable flash-in-the-pan, he convinced someone with enough pull that he could run that gimmick and be Intercontinental Champion, and after Triple H, Rock, Owen Hart, Austin, Owen Hart, Austin, Rock, Triple H and Ken Shamrock so it was when the belt really meant something. If he hadn't made that gimmick work, that could have been his Isaac Yankem and we could be talking about how he deserves another title run before he hangs it up, just like Kane before his run last year (an equally nice and selfless guy by most reports).

[Robtallica]

makes you wounder if val didnt get the porn star gimmick how far he could have got up the card

[lazorbeak]

Val in real life is the blandest guys ever, and the porn star gimmick was what got him on TV. The idea that he would've gotten further without it in the Attitude era does not have a lot of support. Look at how much success Val had during his heel runs with the RTC or as Chief Morley. He's a solid worker, but without that gimmick he is extremely vanilla.

And yes, he's obviously cutting a promo to try to generate some heat among smarky marks. Matt Hardy acted all shocked and offended when Morley did the same thing to him a few months back.

Also while I have no problems with Trish getting the spot over Melina (who, last I checked, was still a heel anyway), the idea that right now Trish is a better wrestler doesn't particularly gel with Trish's performance since she came back this year and looked incredibly rusty.

[btorrie]

Lets put the Sean Morley discussion on hold for 1 second:-

Mike Knox nailed Melina????

[Jaysin]

Melina is awful in the ring anyway, so why should she get a spot at Wrestlemania?

Then again, LayCool got spots at Mania and McCool is the Mike Adamle of women's wrestling.

[ZMAN]

Maybe this explains his beard-era.

[Teh_Showtime]

first Batista, then Knox...

Edit: my thoughts on the beard too

[Slim Jim]

Maybe when Melina finally gets round to banging 'Taker (since everyone else seems to have had a go :p) she can be on the Mania card... 'cause Morrison isn't getting to 'Taker's level any day soon so that relationship won't help her!

[ShaunGBD]

Does anyone have like a list of people Melina has have sex with?

[ZMAN]

Does anyone have like a list of people Melina has have sex with?

We just need to compile a list of wwe superstars who have grown a beard in the past 5 years.


John Morrison
Mike Knox
CM Punk

[juggaloninjalee]

We just need to compile a list of wwe superstars who have grown a beard in the past 5 years.


John Morrison
Mike Knox
CM Punk


CM Punk is straight edge. He doesn't want to risk illness or anything so I don't think he has been with her.

[tommyb]

Does anyone have like a list of people Melina has have sex with?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars
I think the above link is about right.


...but it all seriousness, I heard Batista in addition to those stated by ZMAN.

[juggaloninjalee]

http://www.wwe.com/superstars
I think the above link is about right.


...but it all seriousness, I heard Batista in addition to those stated by ZMAN.

That Val Venis video was the first time I heard about Mike Knox. The others I have heard about.

[Jaysin]

CM Punk is straight edge. He doesn't want to risk illness or anything so I don't think he has been with her.

Punk is like a man whore, he's been with Traci Brooks, Daffney, Lita, and Maria...

So it wouldn't shock me if he's been with Melina.

[The Final Countdown]

Punk is like a man whore, he's been with Traci Brooks, Daffney, Lita, and Maria...

Also Mickie James, I believe. And isn't he now dating Beth Phoenix? That's what I heard, at least.

[Jaysin]

Also Mickie James, I believe. And isn't he now dating Beth Phoenix? That's what I heard, at least.

I know Mickie dated Kenny Dykstra and Joey Mercury but I never heard Punk brought up.

I thought Beth was dating Cody Rhodes?

[TheOmniWarrior]

Layla's dating Cody

[ZMAN]

Taker and Cody go on double dates to applebees.

[Prophet]

Didn't Kendrick make an admission to taking a trip on Melina's wild ride?

[btorrie]

Well on Maria's shoot interview from last year, she said Melina has slept with i think 80% of the roster - So it must be more than beards...

[The Final Countdown]

I know Mickie dated Kenny Dykstra and Joey Mercury but I never heard Punk brought up.
I'm pretty sure Maria said that Punk used to date Mickie.

I feel like I'm back in high school...:cool:

[LoNdOn]

It was really heart warming to see Edge get such a nice send-off on Smackdown.

[Moe Hunter]

Trish, who hasn't been wrestling for years, is a much better wrestler at this point than Melina is and Trish got more charisma and is, as been said, better looking. Val is correct on everything he says, sure I like Morrison's in-ring abilities but he seems to be too attached to Melina.

As previously discussed, Snooki is better than Trish at this point. I haven't seen a Melina match in a while, but unless she botches literally two thirds of her spots, she's better in-ring than Trish.

[Jaysin]

As previously discussed, Snooki is better than Trish at this point. I haven't seen a Melina match in a while, but unless she botches literally two thirds of her spots, she's better in-ring than Trish.

Melina is pretty bad. She was getting really good until that string of injuries she got. When she returned she started botching everything like crazy

[LoNdOn]

As previously discussed, Snooki is better than Trish at this point. I haven't seen a Melina match in a while, but unless she botches literally two thirds of her spots, she's better in-ring than Trish.

Blasphemy! For Trish can do no wrong.

[Rone Rivendale]

At one time, Trish was the most talented diva the WWE had. But that was years ago. Back then, wrestling was her passion. Today, it's not her passion. It makes a HUGE difference.

Passion is what seperates someone like Carlito who didn't have it despite having the talent and someone like Edge who put everything he had into it.

So sure Trish was the bigger star, but any current diva would have been better in that spot. WM makes careers. Putting Trish in there had about the same effect as having The Rock there. Or having Austin there. It's just nostalgia. And it has it's place in WM (like the HoF) but I really think having something like a Eve vs Natalia match for the Divas belt would have been better for the business.

[Jaysin]

I'm still waiting for Beth vs Natalya in a ladder match at Wrestlemania like Beth wanted.

I'd be happppyyy

[djthefunkchris]

At one time, Trish was the most talented diva the WWE had. But that was years ago. Back then, wrestling was her passion. Today, it's not her passion. It makes a HUGE difference.

Passion is what seperates someone like Carlito who didn't have it despite having the talent and someone like Edge who put everything he had into it.

So sure Trish was the bigger star, but any current diva would have been better in that spot. WM makes careers. Putting Trish in there had about the same effect as having The Rock there. Or having Austin there. It's just nostalgia. And it has it's place in WM (like the HoF) but I really think having something like a Eve vs Natalia match for the Divas belt would have been better for the business.

I totally dissagree.. From the start Wrestlemania has been a "Star-Studded" event. Muhamed Ali and Aretha Franklin on the first One, before they knew it would even be a success for sure. They hired all the top wrestler's they could at the time, and had them all on the same show. That's what Wrestlemania is about, not "Making" someone. You have to know you can count on them being a show stealer of sorts to put them on... and not mess up as they have in the past (Candice for example... screwing up when it counts the most, doing great on normal shows).

Trish was the perfect person available for that spot. She is the most popular Diva they could get.

You have TV show's to "MAKE" stars, Wrestlemania is for the "MADE" stars, as is 90% of any PPV, or it should be if making money is your goal. Make them on TV, show your biggest stars on the PPV's. Not everyone can be on and Melina isn't winning any fans lately (screwing up left and right in the ring, and even though Trish is rusty, she was fun).

Beth vs. Nadya after they get them built up properly, would be great. Heck, Trish vs. either would be great, if she gets the rust out. Melina though.. Not lately. Might as well bring Candice back, would be the same result.

[Zeel1]

After SD! ended, they gave Edge a little bit more of a sendoff. Everybody came onto the stage to applaud him, HHH made a special appearance, Edge gave another speech, and him and Xian did another five-second pose. I saw this because I watched SD! before it actually aired, yesterday... completely legally... :p

Apparently, they filmed it, but decided not to broadcast it.

[The Final Countdown]

After SD! ended, they gave Edge a little bit more of a sendoff. Everybody came onto the stage to applaud him, HHH made a special appearance, Edge gave another speech, and him and Xian did another five-second pose. I saw this because I watched SD! before it actually aired, yesterday... completely legally... :p

Apparently, they filmed it, but decided not to broadcast it.
They'll probably save that bit for release as a DVD extra later.

[Jaysin]

I'll be watching Extreme Rules only to see Christian and Del Rio's ladder match.

[FlameSnoopy]

It was really heart warming to see Edge get such a nice send-off on Smackdown.

This.

Very emotional segment. And I never even was a huge Edge fan. Great guy.. He'll be missed for sure.

[milamber]

The Corre on commentary was funny with dissension in the ranks. Good to see Zeke get a singles match.

I hope Booker's right and Drew McIntyre steps up this year like Rhodes has. The match with Rey was good.

Good send-off for Edge. Let's hope he's a guest announcer at Extreme Rules.

The Battle Royale was fun and well-scripted. Good spots: Big Show v Zeke, Clay v Kane, Gabriel turning on Barrett, Cole taking a 619 for Swagger. Christian was always going to win.

[ShaunGBD]

Xian
Who?

[ShaunGBD]

Didn't Kendrick make an admission to taking a trip on Melina's wild ride?

Yeah, Said it in a web show in the past

[ShaunGBD]

Then again, LayCool got spots at Mania and McCool is the Mike Adamle of women's wrestling.

what do u mean?

[ShaunGBD]

Mike Knox nailed Melina????

where did u read that

[20LEgend]

where did u read that

Val Venis said it in that shouty, sweary thing he did about JoMo snubbing Trish

[Zeel1]

Who?

It's a little internet nickname for Christian. I'm fairly sure it refers to how people say X-Mas instead of Christmas. So instead of Christian, it's Xian. They used to say it a lot on thewrestlingfan, and it just kind of stuck with me, I guess.

[20LEgend]

Yeah, X is the greek for Christ, so he is X(Christ)ian

[Jaysin]

what do u mean?

Mike Adamle was an insult to wrestling because he was just as bad as Mark Madden, maybe even worse.

McCool is an insult to women's wrestling and if it wasn't for her husband I doubt she'd have such a prominent spot in the division. She's an awful worker, mic skills suck, no charisma, and horrible actress.

Layla has gotten better, but McCool is just awful.

[Gabbo]

Happen to think McCool is one of the best workers in that division.

People are too quick to criticise her because of her perceived backstage power. She'd probably be in the exact same spot without Undertaker.

[Jaysin]

You must have low standards for women's wrestlers then. Natalya, Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix are far better than her and the poor man's Beautiful People gimmick didn't help her at all. Every time she cuts a promo it sounds forced and unbelievable.

I just know every time I've seen her in person, most of the arena empties to go to the rest room/merch booth/refreshment stand.

[Hashasheen]

On the matter of Michelle McCool, I don't know. Lord knows she's better as a heel then her stupid face push with Palumbo and Jamie Noble, and her in-ring work has improved noticeably over the years.

But she was the first WWE Divas Champion, beating Natalya with a sharpshooter. She unified the titles and is pretty much the central focus of Diva-allotted time on Smackdown and Raw when she held the belt.

She's the Greg Gagne of the Divas Division, I guess.

[crownsy]

I just know every time I've seen her in person, most of the arena empties to go to the rest room/merch booth/refreshment stand.


thats the situation for every Diva's match, regardless of who's in it.

Diva's matches are watch the hotties bounce down for the entrance, then go get a snack.

Unless they let the few actual workers they have like beth, kong, and natty have more than 2 minutes, that will continue to be the case.

As for mccool, i dont think shes great, but she's far better than alot of the so called women's wrestlers in the company, excluding the above 3.

[ampulator]

You must have low standards for women's wrestlers then. Natalya, Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix are far better than her and the poor man's Beautiful People gimmick didn't help her at all. Every time she cuts a promo it sounds forced and unbelievable.

I just know every time I've seen her in person, most of the arena empties to go to the rest room/merch booth/refreshment stand.
I have to say this. The WWE doesn't really care much about the division as a whole. It's not that they don't care about each individual person (that's a different story altogether) but the division as a whole is a "just in case" division.

The fact that McCool doesn't fit all their OWN criteria is proof of this. They are just bouncing the titles off one worker to another every few months, with little to no reason. They aren't trying to build anyone or any real fueds. And they are perfectly content to do that.

[Teh_Showtime]

I have to say this. The WWE doesn't really care much about the division as a whole. It's not that they don't care about each individual person (that's a different story altogether) but the division as a whole is a "just in case" division.

The fact that McCool doesn't fit all their OWN criteria is proof of this. They are just bouncing the titles off one worker to another every few months, with little to no reason. They aren't trying to build anyone or any real fueds. And they are perfectly content to do that.

It seems like they might be now with Eve and Lay-Cool things going on

[ampulator]

It seems like they might be now with Eve and Lay-Cool things going on
Not really. Trust me, this is just another "filler" story WWE has to do, if the even go through with it. If you watch WWE's patterns, they have been doing this for the past 2 or 3 years.

Besides, McCool isn't someone they can build a division around. And you know what? I don't think the WWE is trying to build it around her. Unless they are trying to build it around Layla, they are just doing the "pass the title along" thing they have been doing.

[sebsy]

Problem with the divas division is that they just don't use the right people.

Imagine a division consisting of Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Awesome Kong, Gail Kim, Melina, Michelle McCool, Maryse and Kelly Kelly being looked at properly by someone with a bit of booking ability.

You've got a mix there of some actual decent wrestlers like Natalya, Mickie, Beth and Gail Kim, a big monster in Awesome Kong, decent enough workers like Melina and Michelle, Maryse who is not too bad either, and Kelly Kelly who you can build on and seems keen to get better. Hell if you get Victoria back as well it would be spot on.

Used to love the days of Lita vs Trish, they put on some really decent matches with the odd spot or bump, but since they left it's not been close.

[djthefunkchris]

Problem with the divas division is that they just don't use the right people.

Imagine a division consisting of Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Awesome Kong, Gail Kim, Melina, Michelle McCool, Maryse and Kelly Kelly being looked at properly by someone with a bit of booking ability.

You've got a mix there of some actual decent wrestlers like Natalya, Mickie, Beth and Gail Kim, a big monster in Awesome Kong, decent enough workers like Melina and Michelle, Maryse who is not too bad either, and Kelly Kelly who you can build on and seems keen to get better. Hell if you get Victoria back as well it would be spot on.

Used to love the days of Lita vs Trish, they put on some really decent matches with the odd spot or bump, but since they left it's not been close.

I can't help but to agree with you here. Thing is, if they go this way or that way instead of to WWE, they are looked at as "too good" for WWE, or not the "Steriotypical" beach babe/cheerleader they've been using for..ever.

Just looking at first Beth, then Nadya, and now they are going to bring in Kong. I can't help but to think someone is saying, "Hey, there might be something we can do here besides eye candy", and since they can't get "too" eyecandy with a PG product, that in and of itself might be a good thing for the Women's division. Then again, Kong might come out with smoke and stink everywhere, and do a little convulsions as she comes up to the ring, and start eating worms.... Who knows, lol.

[ampulator]

I can't help but to agree with you here. Thing is, if they go this way or that way instead of to WWE, they are looked at as "too good" for WWE, or not the "Steriotypical" beach babe/cheerleader they've been using for..ever.

Just looking at first Beth, then Nadya, and now they are going to bring in Kong. I can't help but to think someone is saying, "Hey, there might be something we can do here besides eye candy", and since they can't get "too" eyecandy with a PG product, that in and of itself might be a good thing for the Women's division. Then again, Kong might come out with smoke and stink everywhere, and do a little convulsions as she comes up to the ring, and start eating worms.... Who knows, lol.
Except again, the real issue behind all of this, is the WWE simply doesn't care enough to run a good Diva's division, like I said before. We can find tons of explanations why they aren't doing to well, but they all lead back to the WWE not caring enough about the Division itself.

[sebsplex]

Except again, the real issue behind all of this, is the WWE simply doesn't care enough to run a good Diva's division, like I said before. We can find tons of explanations why they aren't doing to well, but they all lead back to the WWE not caring enough about the Division itself.

Yup. The now defunct Cruiserweight Division sat in a similar boat, without any real focus or purpose, despite containing a rather servicable cast of wrestlers. The Divas role in the WWE as a whole has been defined for years and adding Awesome Kong, Mickie James, Cheerleader Melissa, anyone else, etc alone isn't going to change that... what's the expression I'm looking for... something about moving deck chairs on the Titanic.

[LoNdOn]

Yup. The now defunct Cruiserweight Division sat in a similar boat, without any real focus or purpose, despite containing a rather servicable cast of wrestlers. The Divas role in the WWE as a whole has been defined for years and adding Awesome Kong, Mickie James, Cheerleader Melissa, anyone else, etc alone isn't going to change that... what's the expression I'm looking for... something about moving deck chairs on the Titanic.

I prefer the phrase "wizzing in a hurricane" :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

TheRock

It's official: I'm celebrating my birthday on RAW! In my home town Miami on May 2nd. THE PEOPLE'S BIRTHDAY! A historic ROCK RAW...

Just leaving this here.

[eayragt]

Two guys who went off for a successful sojourn to TNA before coming back to WWE in matches for the titles at Extreme Rules? Perhaps Vince has learnt to turn the page.

Or perhaps it's just more fortunate that there was a retiree and someone in the dog house to open up the spot.

[BHK1978]

Two guys who went off for a successful sojourn to TNA before coming back to WWE in matches for the titles at Extreme Rules? Perhaps Vince has learnt to turn the page.

Or perhaps it's just more fortunate that there was a retiree and someone in teh dog house to open up the spot.

I think it is more of the case that he doesn't really have anyone to put in those matches at this point.

[SaySo]

Christian has feuded with Del Rio beginning with the injury write-off last Fall and ever since he came back from it.

R-Truth last summer was booked in the MITB while The Miz was not. However, The Miz injured the crap out of Truth taking Truth's place. The Miz won MITB and is the current WWE Champion.

At least it took these guys more than a year to earn these shots versus couple weeks from entering a company. That's why Primo got a lot of shots in at Sin Cara so they can say "he's facing better competition." Hence, you book your company guys better than opposing companies talents and you'll see why WCW was booked that way in 2001.

[sebsy]

The USA network sent out the following today…

WWE 2011 WWE® DRAFT TAKES OVER MONDAY NIGHT RAW, MONDAY, APRIL 25 AT 9/8c

The entire roster of WWE Superstars and Divas will take part in the 2011 WWE Draft next week, April 25, on MONDAY NIGHT RAW live on USA Network at 9/8c.

In a thrilling night of television, all WWE Superstars and Divas, including WWE Champion The Miz, John Cena, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Alberto Del Rio and Sin Cara along with WWE Divas Champion Brie Bella, Eve and Kelly Kelly could be drafted to either RAW or SmackDown.

After Monday Night's momentous draft, John Cena could be on "Friday Night Smackdown," which airs each week on Syfy at 8/7c and Rey Mysterio could be coming to MONDAY NIGHT RAW.

The Annual WWE Draft is a chance to renew old rivalries or have WWE Superstars face off against each other for the very first time, bringing a new and fresh feel to each show.



Just seen that on another forum, from 411mania. I have no clue whether this is considered a reputable site as I don't use sites like this or pwmania at all really. Interesting if true.

EDIT: I will pont out that having gone to wwe.com I can find absolutely no mention of it what so ever.

[Teh_Showtime]

A draft episode that is 2 hours. I dont know how to react to this. Prolly minimal storytelling in favor of draftees doing their face offs and the like.

[sebsy]

I'm really skeptical that this is true to be honest, but thought I'd post it just in case.

Not seeing a great deal of it being reported and like I say, despite it saying for more info go to www.wwe.com, there is absolutely no mention of it on there.

[Fantabulous]

A draft episode that is 2 hours. I dont know how to react to this. Prolly minimal storytelling in favor of draftees doing their face offs and the like.

I'm guessing they would have held it in June on one of the three-hour Raws, which is how long draft shows usually are, but with Edge retiring they moved it forward. The draft would be a lot more effective if wres...entertainers didn't move from show to show with great regularity throughout the year.

[ampulator]

I've said this one or two years ago, that the WWE was moving away from the Brand Split, and everyone said I was way off that they were even considering.

Now, it's a brand split in name only. They move people around as much as they like. It's not as if the draft matters all that much in the past, and it certainly doesn't matter much today. They are just shifiting people around, and it won't be long until they decide to get rid of it. I givee it 5 years, tops, if not sooner. If the brand split lasts 10 years from this year onward, I'll be amazed.

[Fantabulous]

Say goodbye to Awesome Kong and hello to...Kharma.

Presumably, we'll be getting a lot of plays on the phrase "karma is a bitch".

[TheLeviticalLawKid3]

The USA network sent out the following today…

WWE 2011 WWE® DRAFT TAKES OVER MONDAY NIGHT RAW, MONDAY, APRIL 25 AT 9/8c

The entire roster of WWE Superstars and Divas will take part in the 2011 WWE Draft next week, April 25, on MONDAY NIGHT RAW live on USA Network at 9/8c.

In a thrilling night of television, all WWE Superstars and Divas, including WWE Champion The Miz, John Cena, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Alberto Del Rio and Sin Cara along with WWE Divas Champion Brie Bella, Eve and Kelly Kelly could be drafted to either RAW or SmackDown.

After Monday Night's momentous draft, John Cena could be on "Friday Night Smackdown," which airs each week on Syfy at 8/7c and Rey Mysterio could be coming to MONDAY NIGHT RAW.

The Annual WWE Draft is a chance to renew old rivalries or have WWE Superstars face off against each other for the very first time, bringing a new and fresh feel to each show.


That just made me laugh...I don't know why.

[Eisen-verse]

I'm sorry....

I just can't get into The Truth.

[Zeel1]

I find this segment to be kind of awkward for some reason. I've got the feeling that they gave them a chance at doing a non-scripted promo, and they aren't doing so well.

[Eisen-verse]

I find this segment to be kind of awkward for some reason. I've got the feeling that they gave them a chance at doing a non-scripted promo, and they aren't doing so well.

Yea. The whole water bottle thing was pretty weird too... had no reasoning really.

[Zeel1]

So Morrison takes his spot the week after he gets it? Not quite sure what we're doing here, setting up for an eventual fatal-four way maybe?

[Clp605]

I find this segment to be kind of awkward for some reason. I've got the feeling that they gave them a chance at doing a non-scripted promo, and they aren't doing so well.

Agreed, Truth has always been underwelming to me and that promo shows why. Morrison is a personal favorite of mine, but it was, off... Truth was most dissapointing and just killed anything that the segment had, for me anyway.

[Zeel1]

Okay, this attack segment is going on way too long for my tastes...

By the way, would anyone like to fill us non-Brits in on what they're chanting? Sounds sort of like "Warrior"...

[Eisen-verse]

The WWE moving away, at least slightly, from an overtly childish product? I would think that one of their superstars smoking at ringside wouldn't be all that "Family Friendly". ha.

Either way, while shocking, I hope this is a slight sign of what may be coming...

[Tha Black Phenom]

Okay, this attack segment is going on way too long for my tastes...

By the way, would anyone like to fill us non-Brits in on what they're chanting? Sounds sort of like "Warrior"...

Apparently it was "Who are ya?" a chant they like to do(probably for other sporting events?).

Two things I liked, the water bottle shot and the nut shot with the cigarette.

Edit: Wow. Dolph.

[Zeel1]

I don't know about this, I kind of liked the look Ziggler had, it was kind of unique. In the further off shots, he kind of looks like DH Smith or DiBiase now...

[Clp605]

He looks like Chris Masters if his mustles were 10 times smaller, or is that just me?

[Eisen-verse]

I don't know about this, I kind of liked the look Ziggler had, it was kind of unique. In the further off shots, he kind of looks like DH Smith or DiBiase now...

True. I suppose, though, at least to me, before he looked a lot like Billy Gunn; a fact that always made him feel like a re-hash to me. That said, he looks rather generic now but, maybe, they'll give him some other additions (ie: facial hair, etc.) that eventually makes him look more unique.

[Zeel1]

I think I see where this is going - Sin Cara will come out to interrupt the strike, takes out Miz, then faces Riley like they said. That'd be cool.

[brashleyholland]

Apparently it was "Who are ya?" a chant they like to do(probably for other sporting events?).



Who are ya? (pronounced Oooh-aaah-yah): Chanted at anyone making a scene, being too big for their boots etc. Usually reserved for overpaid, crybaby footballers who make a tit of themselves, then throw a hissy fit.

They were also chanting "That's Illigal" when he lit the ciggy, because we have a smoking ban here in the UK. I seem to remember some theatre company getting an excemption because smoking was a key part of one of the characters in the production they were putting on. Dunno if that applies to every 'entertainment' show put on, or was just a one-off. If it's the latter, your man could be in for a fine :-p

[Zeel1]

I am just slightly skeptical of the legitimacy of this queen... :p

[Astil]

I am just slightly skeptical of the legitimacy of this queen... :p

Nah. Legit.

[Astil]

Okay. I'm officially off the Cole train. That was boring and dumb.

[Zeel1]

I like that they used the US for cheap heat. Gotta be adaptive~ :p

[Astil]

You know what I wonder.

If you were going to have Dolph loss his hair, why not do it in a x vs. Hair match?

EDIT: How is Orton a face!

[ThriceP86]

As much as I like Punk, I didn't like him not selling the RKO at the end of RAW but I understand he was just trying to show frustration.

[Save_Us.Necro]

I kinda liked the Truth segment, despite it dragged out way too long. Truth can be a quality heel (peep his amazing run in early TNA) but I dunno.

I kinda got really turned off by the WWE recently just cause of the announcing situation. Like granted the in ring stuff is pretty ok with Mistico seemingly getting the big rub, but just the whole Cole thing is making it IMPOSSIBLE for me to even watch the product.


BTW anyone have any predictions for the Draft next week?

[BHK1978]

Who are ya? (pronounced Oooh-aaah-yah): Chanted at anyone making a scene, being too big for their boots etc. Usually reserved for overpaid, crybaby footballers who make a tit of themselves, then throw a hissy fit.

They were also chanting "That's Illigal" when he lit the ciggy, because we have a smoking ban here in the UK. I seem to remember some theatre company getting an excemption because smoking was a key part of one of the characters in the production they were putting on. Dunno if that applies to every 'entertainment' show put on, or was just a one-off. If it's the latter, your man could be in for a fine :-p

I was a bit shocked that they did that, I was wondering if over there the smoking laws were not the same as over here. I highly doubt there would be an arena over here that would allow him to do that. I mean I am not a smoker but smokers are now treated like lepers over here. The only place they seem to be allowed to smoke is outside now.

So I could not see them pulling that stunt in MSG or any other arena in the US. From what you are saying the English are the same so I wonder why they allowed it.

[Slim Jim]

Just watched Tough Enough. It continues to be WWE's best show.

And I love Rima. She's really clicked with me, think it's because everyone before the show was talking about Miss USA is only there for the spotlight, and now she's probably working harder than any of them (especially than the other women).

[dvdWarrior]

Watched the second episode of Tough Enough primed and ready to be indignant about Matt Cross's early departure, and much to my surprise, (and even more to my chagrin), I kind of agree with the cut. He didn't really show me anything either... waiting for his moment and all that. Really should have cut loose from the beginning.

Kinda liked R. Truth's heel turn on Raw, even if it did drag too long, and neither Truth nor Morrison, (especially not Morrison) set the world on fire with their pre-match war of words. Truth's actions after the match could be classified as childish and petty, some might say...

And if there's anything on this earth that I can relate to, it's childish and petty, so I was kinda there with him on that one.

I just wish he'd start calling himself 'Ron "The Truth" Killings'. That strikes me as such a cool name for him, and I like it much better than R-Truth, K-Kwik, K-Krush, and whatever else.

I could do without Evan Bourne being used as a jobber too, why is it that so many of the wrestlers I like in WWE end up serving as jobbers?

Interesting to see Dolph Ziggler's new look, as Captain Generica.

:eek:

[BHK1978]

I could do without Evan Bourne being used as a jobber too, why is it that so many of the wrestlers I like in WWE end up serving as jobbers?

Maybe it is because you are a fan of wrestlers with actual talent who are not hulked up steroid freaks. The minute I saw him on the screen I said to myself, "Oh great looks like another match that Evan is going to lose." and that was before I even knew who he was taking on.

It is a shame that Vince will never break away from his love of the big men. Well maybe if there is another steroid trial...

[ShaunGBD]

Anyone have any predictions for the Draft next week?

Orton to SD.

[The Shape]

This smoking thing...weird.

[Zeel1]

This smoking thing...weird.

Y'know, I had this one idea for a character, that was basically just a terrible role model, a bit of an Anti-Hogan. He'd tell kids not to listen to their parents, don't do their homework, ditch school, and just generally act like a sleaze. Maybe they're going for something kind of like that? :p

They could even go with a bit of a sell-out edge with it, considering that's basically the exact opposite of R-Truth's face gimmick.

[Moe Hunter]

Wow, John Morrison sure is in the doghouse, huh?

Snubbing Trish and letting Batista et al have their way with Melina sure put him on the company's bad side...

Oh, wait! He's in a PPV WWE Title match.

At least nothing has changed in the world of dirtsheet credibility!

[Fantabulous]

It's a stretch, a big one mind you, but maybe they changed their mind since beating Morrison clean last week.

[Teh_Showtime]

Y'know, Orton and Punk still had title matches when they were in the doghouse. Even if it will be to take the pin like Morrison will

[Fantabulous]

And given how both have been treated the last couple of months, which one is more credible as a participant in a PPV main event? Not that Morrison has been pushed as a main event player, but at least he was on the Wrestlemania card.

Of course, knowing R Truth and geography, he might have been told to go to Atlanta to be part of the show and he went to the wrong one.

[LoNdOn]

This smoking thing...weird.

I was at the show and during the commercial he was handed a pack of ciggarettes from a fan and he sparked up. To which the crowd started chanting, "That's Illegal, clap clap, clap clap clap!"

[Jaysin]

I was a bit shocked that they did that, I was wondering if over there the smoking laws were not the same as over here. I highly doubt there would be an arena over here that would allow him to do that. I mean I am not a smoker but smokers are now treated like lepers over here. The only place they seem to be allowed to smoke is outside now.

So I could not see them pulling that stunt in MSG or any other arena in the US. From what you are saying the English are the same so I wonder why they allowed it.

I wouldn't have it any other way. Wanna poison yourself? Cool, don't subject me to it.

I'm about to watch Raw, so I don't have any comments on it yet, but felt like I had to chime in on that :P

[Hive]

Of course, knowing R Truth and geography, he might have been told to go to Atlanta to be part of the show and he went to the wrong one.

:D:D:D

[Purple Cowboy]

Wow, John Morrison sure is in the doghouse, huh?

Snubbing Trish and letting Batista et al have their way with Melina sure put him on the company's bad side...

Oh, wait! He's in a PPV WWE Title match.

At least nothing has changed in the world of dirtsheet credibility!

Yeah really.

Although, supposedly according to some of those rags "smoking" is a huge pet peeve of Vince's. So maybe this is all along the lines of the corny worked shoots they've been doing lately. Especially since, like BHK said, there is kind of a social stigma against smokers right now. Ooooh, he smokes. He must be a heel. That sort of thing.

[Fantabulous]

If you want to rip on the sheets, just remember that in this very forum, Triple H vs. The Undertaker at Wrestlemania was dismissed as "rag sheet rumours" when first reported.

[milamber]

Raw review:

Wasn't expecting JoMo to win. JoMo should make the Triple Threat match more exciting. R-Truth is much more interesting as a heel.

Bourne v Ziggler was a good short match. Not sure about Ziggler's new look.

Sin Cara/Cena v Miz/Riley - Genius booking. Sin Cara gets the win and Riley finally gets some in-ring time.

Punk v Orton - Great match. I love watching Punk -- he's got one of the most versatile movesets in the WWE. I hope they have a hardcore match at Extreme Rules to cap off their feud with Punk getting his revenge.

[Jaysin]

I ended up realizing I haven't watched Smackdown from Friday yet. I'm watching Edge's speech and I'm getting teary eyed again. He's always been in my top ten favorites, even top five. WWE really isn't going to be the same without him.

*edit*
Also, just saw that Josh Matthews was on Facebook during the battle royal. Good to see he has to keep up with social networking while commentating :P

[liontamer]

Yeah really.

Although, supposedly according to some of those rags "smoking" is a huge pet peeve of Vince's. So maybe this is all along the lines of the corny worked shoots they've been doing lately. Especially since, like BHK said, there is kind of a social stigma against smokers right now. Ooooh, he smokes. He must be a heel. That sort of thing.

just watched the replay. Have to wonder if all the ladies i n the front rows screaming "think of the children" were plants or just that much against smoking. The 'that's illegal' chants were also entertaining

[tommyb]

just watched the replay. Have to wonder if all the ladies i n the front rows screaming "think of the children" were plants or just that much against smoking. The 'that's illegal' chants were also entertaining

...or taking the piss.

[LoNdOn]

Seeing as I was at the show I thought I would give my thoughts on things.

The crowd LOVED Sin Cara, from his entrance right down to his high flying moves.

The CM Punk/Orton chanting duel was really really loud as were the Cena Sucks/lets go Cena chants.

Vickie Guerrero got the loudest boos of the night by a long way.

I think they edited the crowd reaction for the R-Truth opening as from what I could hear, he was being almost unanimously booed (me included).

Half the crowd sang along to the national anthem which was enjoyable as was me yeling "Cut his head off" when Cole was getting knighted (you can hear some of the crowd laugh after I yell it)

The biggest cheer of the night came for Randy Orton, it was pretty deafening which surprised me.

There was a tag team match after the show ended between Cena and Orton against Punk and Miz. Punk actually jumped in the Cole Mine and put the headset on and refused to come out and face Orton again. Needless to say he took another pinfall loss.

The crowd were dead for the Bella/Eve match, seriously nobody cared.

Maryse got a pretty big pop on superstars as did Natty.

I have never seen so many people wearing the same shirt. That red Cena shirt must have sold out by the end of the night. I myself purchased the new Miz shirt along with four other people. Not gonna lie, I felt pretty special.

[liontamer]

...or taking the piss.

did I miss something? don't recall seeing that. must be what happens when you fastforward

[Purple Cowboy]

I ended up realizing I haven't watched Smackdown from Friday yet. I'm watching Edge's speech and I'm getting teary eyed again. He's always been in my top ten favorites, even top five. WWE really isn't going to be the same without him.

*edit*
Also, just saw that Josh Matthews was on Facebook during the battle royal. Good to see he has to keep up with social networking while commentating :P

I think RAW was actually pre-taped this week.

[MichiganHero]

Ziggler isn't Captain Generica, it's actually Chris O'Donnell playing the role of Dolph Ziggler.

Seriously look at the third pic on WWE.com then look up Mr. O'Donnell (G Callan if i've murdered his name) and compare.

[Jaysin]

I think RAW was actually pre-taped this week.

I was watching Smackdown, not Raw :p

[Purple Cowboy]

I was watching Smackdown, not Raw :p

lol

I was bummed that the APPLE members didn't work together during the battle royal. :(

[LoNdOn]

lol

I was bummed that the APPLE members didn't work together during the battle royal. :(

which battle royal was this?

[The Final Countdown]

Watching Raw right now. HATE Ziggler's new look. He just looks...generic.

Also, did I really just see a commercial for a movie starring Ed Harris and Randy Orton?

[Zeel1]

Just watched the latest Tough Enough. Loved that ending.

[ewanite]

Apparently they were confiscating Zack Ryder signs last night on Raw. That doesn't bode well for him.

[Jaysin]

Apparently they were confiscating Zack Ryder signs last night on Raw. That doesn't bode well for him.

Ryder=Ratings!!!

WOO WOO WOO! YOU KNOW IT!

[TakerNGN74]

What happened to a little thing called freedom of speech damnit

[Slim Jim]

Just watched the latest Tough Enough. Loved that ending.

Best wrestling show on TV right now. Loved every episode so far, and I agree, the ending was great. Been hoping for that since episode one.

[Purple Cowboy]

which battle royal was this?

I'm SOOO out of it for some reason I thought Kane & Big Show were in APPLE. But it was Mark Henry doing the spot I thought was Kane, and Big Show wasn't even there. :o

[ZMAN]

Skid's promo was pretty good for being put together on the fly. It's definitely a valuable skill to have, and hopefully the trainers give him some credit for being good at something.

The Jersey guy had nothing, never stood out on the show, and was bound to get cut eventually.

Michelle is a bitch for using her daughter as an excuse to get out because she can't handle the training. If the bitch spent ten years in the indies, she should know the type of schedule and routine the WWE uses, it's basic ****. I don't really get any of these people who cry about being away from family. I know it's something I've never had a problem with.

[Fantabulous]

Michelle is a bitch for using her daughter as an excuse to get out because she can't handle the training. If the bitch spent ten years in the indies, she should know the type of schedule and routine the WWE uses, it's basic ****. I don't really get any of these people who cry about being away from family. I know it's something I've never had a problem with.
With that attitude, your family probably never had a problem with it, either.

[ZMAN]

With that attitude, your family probably never had a problem with it, either.

Actually, they did have a problem with me going to some poop hole country to have rocket attacks and ground attacks occur every other day for 7 months straight.

[MichiganHero]

Actually, they did have a problem with me going to some **** hole country to have rocket attacks and ground attacks occur every other day for 7 months straight.

Whoa. Please watch the language. There are better ways to express yourself than vulgarity.

[20LEgend]

Actually, they did have a problem with me going to some poop hole country to have rocket attacks and ground attacks occur every other day for 7 months straight.

What "poop hole" is this then?

[ZMAN]

Sorry Mich, I'll clean it up.

What "poop hole" is this then?

2008 - Iraq, 2010 - Afghanistan

________
How about that Zack Ryder.

[20LEgend]

Sorry Mich, I'll clean it up.



2008 - Iraq, 2010 - Afghanistan

________
How about that Zack Ryder.

:o What does this mean

[MichiganHero]

The Woo Woo Woo Kid should TOTALLY have The Big O come in. He reminds me of Tha Black Phenom's character in Catfish Creek Mafia. Alpha male and nothing you can do about it!

[BHK1978]

What happened to a little thing called freedom of speech damnit

The minute you step into the arena, freedom of speech is out the door. Why? Check out the back of the ticket where it has the condition of sale. Basically by buying a ticket you are signing a contract with them and you then become subject to their rules.

Michelle is a bitch for using her daughter as an excuse to get out because she can't handle the training. If the bitch spent ten years in the indies, she should know the type of schedule and routine the WWE uses, it's basic ****. I don't really get any of these people who cry about being away from family. I know it's something I've never had a problem with.

You know as soon as I found out she was going to be on this show, I knew one way or the other Jonny Fairplay would make his way onto the show. Granted it was only over the phone talking to her but I knew he would show up.

The Woo Woo Woo Kid should TOTALLY have The Big O come in. He reminds me of Tha Black Phenom's character in Catfish Creek Mafia. Alpha male and nothing you can do about it!

Nobody up here has any clue as to what you are talking about.:D

[MrOnu]

Good thing Michael Cole told us Dolph has a new attitude, 'cause I didn't see anything different in his ring work. I'm not sold on his new look, it will take some time to not come off as generic as it first looked.

I really like Shaemus for all the small things he does to show that he cares and he's actually telling a story. Like kicking the Cobra off the hand of Santinello. That's paying attention to smaller details for a better overall picture.

[ZMAN]

Nu Dolph looks terrible. Should have just given him new theme music, and a towel to carry over his arm.

[ShaunGBD]

Michelle is a bitch for using her daughter as an excuse to get out because she can't handle the training. If the bitch spent ten years in the indies, she should know the type of schedule and routine the WWE uses, it's basic ****. I don't really get any of these people who cry about being away from family. I know it's something I've never had a problem with.

Are they marry? I saw His wife is name Michelle. I didn't see the episode. what happened

[Russo]

Nu Dolph looks terrible. Should have just given him new theme music, and a towel to carry over his arm.

He looks better like that I can now take him serious.

[ACCBiggz]

While I do enjoy Tough Enough a couple of things seemed odd to me from the outset of the show. Matt Cross seemed like a plant. Someone with moderate experience and exposure to cut early on to "show they're serious". And that's just something minor. A lot of the interaction between the contestants seems fake to me. And the way they promote Luke almost makes me think he is/was a pre-determined winner and this is to put him over. Knowing how reality television and wrestling are I think it's a 50/50 shot I'm right and wrong. Regardless, most if not all of the talent will be signed to developmental deals. The woman who was eliminated the first week has already signed.

It's part of the reason I enjoyed the very first season of Tough Enough. It came off as genuine. The open casting calls and evaluations and then selections to the show. This cast seems hand selected for a variety of entertainment purposes and that really sticks out to me and makes me question the validity of the "competition".

But hey, I still enjoy the product so why am I complaining?

[Self]

Still enjoying Tough Enough. This week's didn't bum me out as much as last week's. Enjoyed watching the run. Skidmarks coming second surprised me. Luke is still irritatingly good, although I dug the way he was cut from the skill challenge. Sooo nitpicky, but so much of the show seems edited to make him the hero (last minute advice to Skidmarks) I like a little reversal.

A lot of it strikes me as staged, but I still like it. Much like Jersey Shore.

[LoNdOn]

Just saw this pretty amusing........I wanna say twot or tweet, but whatever from JR.

"Extreme Rules gameplan: give Swagger a reading assignment & put cole's testicles in a thimble b4 he kisses my arse. Or not. :) doors closing"

Jim Ross

[Candyman]

Michelle is a bitch for using her daughter as an excuse to get out because she can't handle the training. If the bitch spent ten years in the indies, she should know the type of schedule and routine the WWE uses, it's basic ****. I don't really get any of these people who cry about being away from family. I know it's something I've never had a problem with.

Let me guess, you're a cop? Maybe a firefighter? Something that involves little to no human interaction, something that lets you easily hide your feelings because you can't stand to feel "soft" for caring about other people. Some kind of meathead job that's all muscle and no brain work, I'm sure of it...

Actually, they did have a problem with me going to some poop hole country to have rocket attacks and ground attacks occur every other day for 7 months straight.

...ah, military. I should've known. Trust me, your family might have a problem with where you go because of the dangers involved(if you die, they stop getting checks), but they do not have a problem with you being gone for 7 months straight. Less opportunities for you to beat them, after all, and that's 7 months straight where they don't have to put up with you. They're secretly counting down the days until the next 7 months starts, I have no doubt.

(I apologize to all police officers, firefighters, and military personnel - with the exception of the person above - for comparing you to him. I do realize not all of you are so competely devoid of emotion[positive emotion, clearly anger is something this person has in spades], compassion, and human decency.)

Seriously though, way to prove what a tough manly man you are. You sure can judge people by watching an hour of their life on TV and then freely rain insults and cast stones on how they've lived their life. We're all very impressed.

Idiot.

[LoNdOn]

Children, play nicely.

[Candyman]

While I do enjoy Tough Enough a couple of things seemed odd to me from the outset of the show. Matt Cross seemed like a plant. Someone with moderate experience and exposure to cut early on to "show they're serious". And that's just something minor. A lot of the interaction between the contestants seems fake to me. And the way they promote Luke almost makes me think he is/was a pre-determined winner and this is to put him over. Knowing how reality television and wrestling are I think it's a 50/50 shot I'm right and wrong. Regardless, most if not all of the talent will be signed to developmental deals. The woman who was eliminated the first week has already signed.

It's part of the reason I enjoyed the very first season of Tough Enough. It came off as genuine. The open casting calls and evaluations and then selections to the show. This cast seems hand selected for a variety of entertainment purposes and that really sticks out to me and makes me question the validity of the "competition".

But hey, I still enjoy the product so why am I complaining?

Matt Cross was too stunned by his elimination for him to be a plant. He's not that good of an actor. I got the sense that Austin didn't plan on letting him go but got so worked up while the bottom 3 were in the ring he did it out of emotion...the "permission to speak?" line was what did Cross in and saved Skidmarks, IMO. It's really bothering me how they're making Luke seem so perfect though...well, up until he got booted from the skills competition last night. There's no way he was a pre-determined winner, but they already knew who won before they started airing the show so they can decide how good everybody looks.

[LoNdOn]

Another thing I noticed about Tough Enough; Rima is going to have to damn near kill someone before she gets the boot. Fair play to her for the running task though, she did well in that.

[jwt13]

I was watching the few matches Sin Cara has had in WWE and boy is he a botchfest in the ring, dont get me wrong he has skill but he botches his entrance every time and he botches 1 out of every 4 moves he does.

[Chuck]

Let me guess, you're a cop? Maybe a firefighter? Something that involves little to no human interaction, something that lets you easily hide your feelings because you can't stand to feel "soft" for caring about other people. Some kind of meathead job that's all muscle and no brain work, I'm sure of it...



...ah, military. I should've known. Trust me, your family might have a problem with where you go because of the dangers involved(if you die, they stop getting checks), but they do not have a problem with you being gone for 7 months straight. Less opportunities for you to beat them, after all, and that's 7 months straight where they don't have to put up with you. They're secretly counting down the days until the next 7 months starts, I have no doubt.

(I apologize to all police officers, firefighters, and military personnel - with the exception of the person above - for comparing you to him. I do realize not all of you are so competely devoid of emotion[positive emotion, clearly anger is something this person has in spades], compassion, and human decency.)

Seriously though, way to prove what a tough manly man you are. You sure can judge people by watching an hour of their life on TV and then freely rain insults and cast stones on how they've lived their life. We're all very impressed.

Idiot.
Unbelievable

[jwt13]

Let me guess, you're a cop? Maybe a firefighter? Something that involves little to no human interaction, something that lets you easily hide your feelings because you can't stand to feel "soft" for caring about other people. Some kind of meathead job that's all muscle and no brain work, I'm sure of it...



...ah, military. I should've known. Trust me, your family might have a problem with where you go because of the dangers involved(if you die, they stop getting checks), but they do not have a problem with you being gone for 7 months straight. Less opportunities for you to beat them, after all, and that's 7 months straight where they don't have to put up with you. They're secretly counting down the days until the next 7 months starts, I have no doubt.

(I apologize to all police officers, firefighters, and military personnel - with the exception of the person above - for comparing you to him. I do realize not all of you are so competely devoid of emotion[positive emotion, clearly anger is something this person has in spades], compassion, and human decency.)

Seriously though, way to prove what a tough manly man you are. You sure can judge people by watching an hour of their life on TV and then freely rain insults and cast stones on how they've lived their life. We're all very impressed.

Idiot.

Tasteless

[SaySo]

Let me guess, you're a cop? Maybe a firefighter? Something that involves little to no human interaction, something that lets you easily hide your feelings because you can't stand to feel "soft" for caring about other people. Some kind of meathead job that's all muscle and no brain work, I'm sure of it...



...ah, military. I should've known. Trust me, your family might have a problem with where you go because of the dangers involved(if you die, they stop getting checks), but they do not have a problem with you being gone for 7 months straight. Less opportunities for you to beat them, after all, and that's 7 months straight where they don't have to put up with you. They're secretly counting down the days until the next 7 months starts, I have no doubt.

(I apologize to all police officers, firefighters, and military personnel - with the exception of the person above - for comparing you to him. I do realize not all of you are so competely devoid of emotion[positive emotion, clearly anger is something this person has in spades], compassion, and human decency.)

Seriously though, way to prove what a tough manly man you are. You sure can judge people by watching an hour of their life on TV and then freely rain insults and cast stones on how they've lived their life. We're all very impressed.

Idiot.

http://forums.pwheadlines.com/index.php <--there is an Insulting efed called Elite Insulting Championship.

To sign up, speak with DemonToSome.

[Fantabulous]

I might not agree with the phrasing of Candyman's post as a whole, but the last part was right on the money. I wonder if people will realize that, presuming they're not too busy being all righteously indignant.

[LoNdOn]

I was watching the few matches Sin Cara has had in WWE and boy is he a botchfest in the ring, dont get me wrong he has skill but he botches his entrance every time and he botches 1 out of every 4 moves he does.

The entrance he made at RAW this past week was flawless. He cleared the ropes and then some.

[The Shape]

On another note, with regards to the earlier comment about Zack Ryder signs, in his latest video he said they were probably taken down because it simply is true, because he's never on TV, and suggested some signs that would be more appropriate :D

[Jaysin]

Last night I visited my best friend's house to play some video games and watch dvds and what not. We ended up playing SvR 2011 and guess who the new WWE Champ is?

WOO WOO WOO! YOU KNOW IT!

[jwt13]

that girl that quit Tough Enough is on Dr. Phil and so is Johnny Fairplay.

[Purple Cowboy]

You know as soon as I found out she was going to be on this show, I knew one way or the other Jonny Fairplay would make his way onto the show. Granted it was only over the phone talking to her but I knew he would show up.

Jonny posted on the PW Torch forums that that segment on the phone was heavily edited. He said that he and the daughter were saying "I love you" to Michelle for 10 minutes but it was cut to look like he came across as just saying "ya whatever, later."

I like how Tough Enough has been going. Seemed weird they would eliminate the Jersey Shore-type guy just after having Snookie in a featured match at WM a couple of weeks ago, but whatever. He could have been good for more out-of-ring/house drama even if he's just standard in the ring.

I love that after the judges talk Stone Cold has the final word and they all get that final chance to defend themselves. That's what's been really cool about the show for me.

[Purple Cowboy]

And also, really hope WWE uses the draft to break up Vickie and "new Dolph."

[Moe Hunter]

Y'know, Orton and Punk still had title matches when they were in the doghouse. Even if it will be to take the pin like Morrison will
Pretty sure CM Punk became Champ during on of his many supposed "doghouse" visits. The only thing that ever matched up was the story of him "disrespecting" Undertaker and the dress code, then losing the strap to him, but then Punk has completely denied the claim and he's very much a no-nonsense guy.

If you want to rip on the sheets, just remember that in this very forum, Triple H vs. The Undertaker at Wrestlemania was dismissed as "rag sheet rumours" when first reported.
Yeah, I was on the edge of my seat with that Streak vs Career stipulation they reported!

[GatorBait19]

And also, really hope WWE uses the draft to break up Vickie and "new Dolph."

Why Dolph and Vickie is great. Dolph right now is one of WWE top heel's and Vickie just puts that heat on him even more.

[TakerNGN74]

Not sure if anyone has commented on this yet but does anyone else hate Dolph Zigglers new look (Hair). His old hair style really set him apart from everyone else in my opinion not that hair is everything but now that his hair is very generic he just looks like a normal guy where if I were a new WWE fan just watching it for the first time I would probably pass him off as someone I thought wasn't very good when that is not the case at all. Does anyone else feel this way or am I the only one?

[BHK1978]

Jonny posted on the PW Torch forums that that segment on the phone was heavily edited. He said that he and the daughter were saying "I love you" to Michelle for 10 minutes but it was cut to look like he came across as just saying "ya whatever, later."

I did not mean what I said in a negative way. I am was just saying I knew that show how he would find a way to get on the show.

[The Shape]

Not sure if anyone has commented on this yet but does anyone else hate Dolph Zigglers new look (Hair). His old hair style really set him apart from everyone else in my opinion not that hair is everything but now that his hair is very generic he just looks like a normal guy where if I were a new WWE fan just watching it for the first time I would probably pass him off as someone I thought wasn't very good when that is not the case at all. Does anyone else feel this way or am I the only one?

Haven't actually seen him in motion but based on the pictures I'm not liking it...they could've at least kept him blonde. Plus with his weird name having a look that stood out made sense.

[Gabbo]

Yeah. Hate the new look. Now a Generi-heel.

Look is so important and bleached blonde hair, in a faux 80's jeri curl made him look like a Hollywood wannabe, an attention seeker for the sake of being an attention seeker. Now he looks bland. Literally don't care about him anymore.

[Zeel1]

Watching this post-match fight going on between Rhodes and Mysterio, it gives me the feeling that they might have a Falls Count Anywhere match at Extreme Rules. That could be pretty good.

[PoisonedSuperman]

I know everyone has been talking about how great Rhodes has been for months but I haven't seen him personally at all until now (I have my child on the weekends) I flipped it on for a few minutes while going through channels and I didn't even know it was delivering that very good promo until he took his hood off to reveal his face. Man I hated him in evolution or whatever they were called but he has improved a lot (from what I saw) I think he's going to be great.

[Zeel1]

Y'know, I think Masters has improved quite a bit from where he was a few years ago. That was a pretty solid match.

[milamber]

Smackdown:

Codey Rhodes has the best storyline of 2011 so far. I'm happy they gave the Rhodes v Mysterio match good air time.

I'm suprised Kane/Show won the Tag Titles but I guess they need to give them something to do.

They should bring back Chris Jericho as Drew McIntyre's manager. He just needs that extra bit of something to land him a title shot.

Glad Barrett retained. He still needs to add a couple of good moves to his generic moveset if he wants to be a Main Eventer, though.

Del Rio's Edge Retirement Party was funny. Edge looks sad that he's not competing any more but happy at the same time that Christian is taking his place.

[GatorBait19]

Not sure if anyone has commented on this yet but does anyone else hate Dolph Zigglers new look (Hair). His old hair style really set him apart from everyone else in my opinion not that hair is everything but now that his hair is very generic he just looks like a normal guy where if I were a new WWE fan just watching it for the first time I would probably pass him off as someone I thought wasn't very good when that is not the case at all. Does anyone else feel this way or am I the only one?

I don't like it and from what he said neither does he.

[Gabbo]

Not what he said on his Twitter.

[Teh_Showtime]

Really enjoyed SD last night. It seemed like an old school boking format with a modern spin.

I am proud to say I have always been behind Cody Rhodees, and that paper bag segment was golden. I was playing NBA 2K and got a few turnovers because I was watching Rhodes.

The way that the IC title was presented was cool too. It was heavily promoted within the show and was the final match too.

Del Rio's party was awesome too. Part of me was anticipating Lita to actually show up, and it seems almost too perfect for Christian and Del Rio to be the top feud on SD since they basically overshadowed Edge and ADR and it's all the better since it started without a title and now Im interested to see where this goes after the draft when they will likely get another big name in the mix, hopefully Orton

[The Shape]

Not what he said on his Twitter.

Really? I googled it and it had some quote of him saying he felt like...something...without its something, I can't remember what, but not a good thing lol

[20LEgend]

apparently i hate my haircut (um, if its opposite day) i'm like 5 pounds lighter and look just like 'ARCHER' #dreamcometrue ;)


...

[LoNdOn]

When Lita's music hit I went nuts. Gutted when it wasn't her that came out.

I heard somewhere that she is on the verge of coming back to WWE in the near future. Hopefully this is true and not just some fabricated nonsense.

[Fantabulous]

I wouldn't put much stock in the majority of tweets made by WWE people; most of them are in character to begin with and you're probably not going to find too many people, outside of maybe a top guy, outright knocking something the company had him do.

To show the value of what some WWE guys posting on Twitter, just take a look at Joey Styles and his trolling of people over Earth Day.

[20LEgend]

I wouldn't put much stock in the majority of tweets made by WWE people; most of them are in character to begin with and you're probably not going to find too many people, outside of maybe a top guy, outright knocking something the company had him do.

To show the value of what some WWE guys posting on Twitter, just take a look at Joey Styles and his trolling of people over Earth Day.

But I don't think he'd go out of his way to say it is good, if he actually hated it, IDK what kind of control WWE have over these though

[Jaysin]

When Lita's music hit I went nuts. Gutted when it wasn't her that came out.

I heard somewhere that she is on the verge of coming back to WWE in the near future. Hopefully this is true and not just some fabricated nonsense.

At Wrestlemania Axxess or whatever that fan thing is called, she told fans she didn't miss wrestling I'm pretty sure.

[LoNdOn]

At Wrestlemania Axxess or whatever that fan thing is called, she told fans she didn't miss wrestling I'm pretty sure.

Shame. I had heard that at a fan signing she intimated that a deal to return to WWE was on the table.

[cappyboy]

At Wrestlemania Axxess or whatever that fan thing is called, she told fans she didn't miss wrestling I'm pretty sure.

Was it the business in general or just being in the ring wrestling? If it's just the physical act of wrestling, maybe she could return to the booth. The time she was doing commentary on Heat while hurt, she was doing a feminized version of Jerry Lawler's shtick and I felt like it worked quite well for her. Could certainly help put over the pretty boy heels to have a like-minded female commentator mooning over them.

[Hive]

Was it the business in general or just being in the ring wrestling? If it's just the physical act of wrestling, maybe she could return to the booth. The time she was doing commentary on Heat while hurt, she was doing a feminized version of Jerry Lawler's shtick and I felt like it worked quite well for her. Could certainly help put over the pretty boy heels to have a like-minded female commentator mooning over them.

I understood it as her not missing being a superstar and not so much the actual wrestling part, but I could be mistaken.

[mike b]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Lita put on some weight :p

[Zeel1]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Lita put on some weight :p

God, I know, right? One of the wcnewz tweets read "Lita "Eternally Thankful" High Def Not Available During Attitude Era" - and man, they were not kidding! :D :p

[The Final Countdown]

They should bring back Chris Jericho as Drew McIntyre's manager. He just needs that extra bit of something to land him a title shot.
When Jericho decides he wants to come back, I would certainly hope it would be in a more prominent role than managing Drew McIntyre.

[Teh_Showtime]

A feud with the Miz would be AWESOME. It gives Miz instant credability without hurting Orton or Cena.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Why is the crowd red?

[angeldelayette]

Why is the crowd red?

Red and blue spotlights. I think it's just because of the battle royal and will be turned off afterward.

[angeldelayette]

That was a great series between Kingston and Bourne on the apron.

Wow! John Cena is headed to Smackdown?

[Clp605]

That was a great series between Kingston and Bourne on the apron.

Wow! John Cena is headed to Smackdown?

Agreed.


Who divided by 0?

[angeldelayette]

Agreed.


Who divided by 0?

I guess they needed some star power over there since Edge's retirement. It also gives him a few more fresh matches to choose from, right?

[ShaunGBD]

I like it. I'm not a huge Cena fan. but it give him fresh storylines

[GhostDogg]

ok
I definately didnt see that coming, and to be perfectly honest, I am glad that hes back on smackdown. Can you say Del Rio vs Cena..possibly?

[PoisonedSuperman]

John Cena the next champion of Smackdown!!!

Like this Truth Promo!! He might end up in the main event after all. Good job playing off the crowd.

The What? thing is really stupid, I would turn this off but The Truth has kept me interested.

[Prophet]

I have to say, I think Truth's turn is the best thing to ever happen to him. That was solid. And it's about time someone put little Jimmy in his place. :p

[Eisen-verse]

I have to say, I think Truth's turn is the best thing to ever happen to him. That was solid. And it's about time someone put little Jimmy in his place. :p

Gotta agree with you there.

[GhostDogg]

If you listen real closely, you hear little Jimmy Crying somewhere LOL
plus..can you say Layla face turn?

[PoisonedSuperman]

That was very predictable. As soon as Cena was drafted I thought Mistero was going to be coming to RAW to fill in the main event slot...

[Clp605]

So that wasn't Layla I heard crying.:rolleyes:

[angeldelayette]

I am smelling Rey/Sin Cara sometime soon.

[GhostDogg]

Sin Cara vs Mysterio anyone?

[March]

Man, Rey changes shows every year it seems. Oh well... a showdown with Sin Cara seems likely, so I won't complain.

[Clp605]

Sin Cara vs Mysterio anyone?

They will probably be free on Raw, if it was on a PPV I would consider buying it.

[ShaunGBD]

Is it me or early did they say who ever won the Battle Royal get TWO picks!?!

[angeldelayette]

Can the Anonymous Raw General Manager be drafted to Smackdown? lol.

Personally, I hope that Michael Cole is drafted exclusively to Smackdown.

WOW! Another big coup for Smackdown.

[GhostDogg]

Holy CRAP...

RANDY ORTON is SMILILNG!!!!



And hes growing a beard!!!

[PoisonedSuperman]

Smile + Beard = heel turn?

[ShaunGBD]

Smile + Beard = heel turn?

I see it

[Russo]

I have no idea where they are going with this draft know.

[PoisonedSuperman]

I have no idea where they are going with this draft know.

Cena gets drafted back to RAW with the last pick of the draft?

[GhostDogg]

that is a pretty good equasion..

lets see

HBK
Triple H (but then again, Triple H could have a clown outfit and become heel)Chris Jericho
Edge...
Im just saying

[GhostDogg]

ok...

Did they NOT LEARN ANYTHING FROM WRESTLEMANIA!!!???

[PoisonedSuperman]

I turned this off during introductions, ten(?) minutes later... it's still on....

[Clp605]

Did I hear someone say you're no Kurt Angle?

[Russo]

LOL JR busted him open

[angeldelayette]

Cena gets drafted back to RAW with the last pick of the draft?

I really hope they don't do that. Send Cena to Smackdown for awhile.

[GhostDogg]

I just saw a sign that said "Diamond Cutter"


of course...

[GhostDogg]

Umm So much for Rey vs Sin Cara...


Well Sin Cara vs ADR?

[Russo]

Umm So much for Rey vs Sin Cara...


Well Sin Cara vs ADR?

I have a feeling ADR will be drafted to Raw

[angeldelayette]

Maybe Beth Phoenix gets drafted to Raw to take on Kharma aka Awesome Kong?

[GhostDogg]

Russo..You called IT!!!

Del Rio to Raw

[angeldelayette]

I think that's a good move. He's been wrestling enough on Raw that they might as well make it official, right?

[Russo]

I think Taker will be drafted to raw next or Rhodes

[PoisonedSuperman]

I'm thinking RAW needs a big time face, whose left to fued with The Miz?

HHH or Rey ?

And why is Mark Henry in the Main Event? Are we supposed to believe he's a big star now that he's on SD?