The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[GhostDogg]

ARE YOU SERIOUS???

18 seconds? Ok that was inulting...even for Bryan!!

[Jaysin]

Wow. Just wow.

[borman_48]

Did I just pay to see that?

[Astil]

/sigh

[Stennick]

And the IWC gets upset right aaaaaboooooout.....

[Huntman]

You had a good run kid...had a good run.

Good to hear Daniel Bryan chants during Orton/Kane though.

edit - I think it was Daniel Bryan...then turned into Randy Orton..or I'm just insane.

[Astil]

You had a good run kid...had a good run.

Good to hear Daniel Bryan chants during Orton/Kane though.

edit - I think it was Daniel Bryan...then turned into Randy Orton..or I'm just insane.

Thought I heard it too.

[Stennick]

I just heard Randy Orton chants but who knows.

[codey]

The crowds still chanting Daniel Bryan lol

[Huntman]

Yeah I think they started as Daniel Bryan chants.

[Astil]

Umm...okay? Such an odd show so far...

[GhostDogg]

Ok.

That was just umm weird. Not only did Orton didnt even win, he didnt even pull off an RKO...

[Huntman]

Maybe it's just April Fools WrestleMania edition. Bryan will be champ on Monday

r...right?

[Astil]

Big Show's entrance, longer than the World Heavyweight Championship match. I don't want to live on this planet anymore :P

EDIT: Check that, replace Big Show's entrance with K-Mart commercial

[GhostDogg]

I have one question, why is Show has the IC title? I mean hes too over for it

[juggaloninjalee]

Ok as of right now I am enjoying Wrestlemania.

I don't mind Daniel Bryan losing the way he did. It could be good for the storyline. Make him a better heel going forward. Excited to see how Bryan progresses.

Big Show beating Cody Rhodes frees up Rhodes for a World Title shot. Not sure if it will happen but it can now which would be cool.

I was glad to see Orton lose to Kane but I think Kane will have to face him again next month and Orton will win then. Oh well still happy Kane won.

Don't care about this divas match. I'd kill for Kharma to come in and demolish everyone!

[Stennick]

He's not THAT over. Hell I don't know if any part of his entire WWE sans the first couple of months has he been as over as he was in WCW. Why does Cody Rhodes still have the IC title? I mean that in a good way Codey's talented enough to be higher in the card already.

[Huntman]

I'm going to say Show won the title as a possible last run. Usually big guys like him retire kinda early or I'm just rambling.

[codey]

He's not THAT over. Hell I don't know if any part of his entire WWE sans the first couple of months has he been as over as he was in WCW. Why does Cody Rhodes still have the IC title? I mean that in a good way Codey's talented enough to be higher in the card already.

Why thank you, Stennick. I am talented, aren't I?

[GhostDogg]

JR sporting a Goatee and lookin slimmer? Looks like hes been hangin with Austin

[Huntman]

Now the real show begins.

[Astil]

Why thank you, Stennick. I am talented, aren't I?

/clap

[Jaysin]

I'm not a huge fan of the Undertaker or Triple H. I wasn't looking forward to this match at all really, but as soon as Triple H's music hit I actually got goosebumps.

[Stennick]

Why thank you, Stennick. I am talented, aren't I?

Yes you are sir, talented enough to be considered for entrance into GDS's very own HOF. Voting can be done at the following website

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515010

There I did it, now can you please delete those pictures from your hard drive? It was the sixties man EVERYBODY was doin it. :D

[GhostDogg]

Nice Haircut TAKER...

Either 3 things happen.

He Joined the military.

He Lost a bet.

He decided that his hair greying and now he just pulled a Bruce Willis and just cut it all off..

[Huntman]

Taker's guyliner looks pretty ridiculous with this haircut.

[GhostDogg]

Well he had to look menacing with the hood on his head.

[Astil]

I always wanted to see HHH fight Chuck Lidell

[Huntman]

I always wanted to see HHH fight Chuck Lidell

I was just about to say the same thing.

[GhostDogg]

"Dont STOP IT, dont stop the match"


"End it SHAWN, or I WILL!!"


Drama much?

[Huntman]

I really like the interactions between Shawn, Taker, and Trips.

[GhostDogg]

OK.

The E is trying to outdo WM with Taker vs HBK 1 and 2, and vs Trips. this is AWESOME.

[Astil]

/standing ovation

[Huntman]

Taker's back is so nasty looking.

[Stennick]

So not as good as last years but damn was it awesome. Is this Taker's last match?

Its funny I thought Wrestlemania 17 vs. HHH would be his final ever match.

[GhostDogg]

Speechless.

I think this is the feeling that I had when I watched HBK vs Taker the first time, and then HBK Taker part 2. I mean ..I think this match has outdone them all. ...I mean at the end of the match is symbolic. Both Men COULD NOT STAND, Hell even HBK had a hard time standing after he got the HELLS GATE put on him

[Jaysin]

So not as good as last years but damn was it awesome. Is this Taker's last match?

Its funny I thought Wrestlemania 17 vs. HHH would be his final ever match.

I liked this match a lot more than last year's. Last year's match bored me to tears. This one though, was awesome.

[djthefunkchris]

Head he is starting his MMA carreer in a few months, so this is probably it for him.


Just kidding, thought it would be funny hope no one gets offended.

[Astil]

You know, I still got goosebumps when Edge's music hit and the crowd pop'd. Man I miss him.

[Huntman]

I'm glad a Slim Jim commercial followed Triple H/Undertaker

[Astil]

Flo rida performing...no WHC match. Got it.

[Huntman]

Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins made that segment a whole lot more "WTF." Good to see Slater still jobbing to everyone though.

[Stennick]

I'd be shocked to see him fight in anything resembling an MMA career the guy is already forty plus years old. I had not heard that one.

[Huntman]

I'd be shocked to see him fight in anything resembling an MMA career the guy is already forty plus years old. I had not heard that one.

"Just kidding, thought it would be funny hope no one gets offended." was whited out.

[Jaysin]

I'd be shocked to see him fight in anything resembling an MMA career the guy is already forty plus years old. I had not heard that one.

Highlight the post :p

[borman_48]

Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins made that segment a whole lot more "WTF." Good to see Slater still jobbing to everyone though.

Heath Slater might have gotten more mic time at Mania than he has all year combined. :cool:

[Jaysin]

Who was accompanying Ryder to the ring?

[Astil]

Who was accompanying Ryder to the ring?

It can't be... EVE!?!

[tommyb]

Who was accompanying Ryder to the ring?

I think Eve.

[Jaysin]

Ya know, if Otunga wasn't god awful in the ring, he'd be awesome. He has the mic skills and his body is jacked.

[Astil]

YES! YES! YES! MIZ! MIZ! MIZ!

Also, why the hell was Eve out there?

[Huntman]

YES! YES! YES! MIZ! MIZ! MIZ!

Also, why the hell was Eve out there?

Because Zack Ryder yo

[Astil]

Great match. Smart ending. Well done WWE.

[Stennick]

What a freaking finish, loved it. Thats some of the best ring psychology I've seen in a long time. Loved every second of the last five minutes.

[Astil]

/sigh

[GhostDogg]

Momma clay and the Bridge Club.. serious wtf

[Stennick]

Mamma Clay FTW

[Huntman]

This WrestleMania is interesting to say the least...

[Astil]

Brodus Clay got more time than Daniel Bryan... and no I wont give this up.

[Huntman]

It's okay because that segment was awesome.

edit - and don't worry, it won't be as bad as MGK

[GhostDogg]

Well I was laughing when Broadus's mom came out. and then LMAFO when the whole BRIDGE CLUB came out..


CENA is going to get boo'ed out the building. I mean Cena's grandmother could get RAPED in the middle of the ring and Rock would STILL GET CHEERED...lol

[Stennick]

Daniel Bryan got to wrestle AS the World Champion at a Wrestlemania. I don't care if it was six hours or six minutes. Raise your hand if you ever thought you would utter those words even this time last year?......Yeah I thought so. Lets just be happy Daniel made it onto the show and wasn't in a battle royale during axxess.

[1234]

It's okay because that segment was awesome.

edit - and don't worry, it won't be as bad as MGK

Big fan of MGK here, but I will admit he wasn't brilliant there.

Been an...interesting...show so far. Mad at the opener, HHH/'Taker was awesome, and the big match still to come.

[Huntman]

battle royale during axxess.

They're saving that for WrestleMania 29.

[juggaloninjalee]

Daniel Bryan got to wrestle AS the World Champion at a Wrestlemania. I don't care if it was six hours or six minutes. Raise your hand if you ever thought you would utter those words even this time last year?......Yeah I thought so. Lets just be happy Daniel made it onto the show and wasn't in a battle royale during axxess.

Daniel Bryan lost because of a woman! He can use that as his excuse. Now he can be our generations Randy Savage and be pissed at AJ. Daniel Bryan will be back and better than ever in a Wrestlemania.

[Astil]

Daniel Bryan lost because of a woman! He can use that as his excuse. Now he can be our generations Randy Savage and be pissed at AJ. Daniel Bryan will be back and better than ever in a Wrestlemania.

Maybe he'll get a 30 second match next year! :rolleyes::p

[Huntman]

Maybe he'll get a 30 second match next year! :rolleyes::p

WHOA WHOA WHOA EASY THERE! That's 29 seconds too long. We need more obscure celebrities segments.

[Stennick]

PersonallY I'm watching for HHH/Taker, Jericho/Punka and Cena/Rock and couldn't care less about anything else. Entrances this year sucked.

[Jaysin]

WHOA WHOA WHOA EASY THERE! That's 29 seconds too long. We need more obscure celebrities segments.

I wouldn't say Flo Rida, MGK, and P Diddy are anywhere near obscure...

[Huntman]

I wouldn't say Flo Rida, MGK, and P Diddy are anywhere near obscure...

I had to google MGK. Forgot Flo Rida existed (APPLE BOTTOM JEANS JEANS BOOTS WITH DA FUR) and lol P Diddy.

[1234]

I wouldn't say Flo Rida, MGK, and P Diddy are anywhere near obscure...

MGK is starting to get exposure, but I would still say he is pretty obscure.

Flo Rida had to be there to give Rock his entrance hype to match Cena/MGK...Diddy was just pointless.

[Huntman]

MGK is starting to get exposure, but I would still say he is pretty obscure.

Flo Rida had to be there to give Rock his entrance hype to match Cena/MGK...Diddy was just pointless.

I guess for P it's just...all about the Benjamins....baby.

[djthefunkchris]

Rock pass out, alla Stone Cold vs. Bret Hard, lol...

I really hope not.

[Stennick]

I'd be stunned if Rock didn't win this honestly.

[Huntman]

I'd be stunned if Rock didn't win this honestly.

I'll be honest. I was totally expecting Cena to win.

[GhostDogg]

What The F*ck????

The Rock Won???

[djthefunkchris]

That had to happen, not sure I actually liked it though...

[Stennick]

I'm surprised people are shocked by that.

[1234]

I'll be honest. I was totally expecting Cena to win.

Same here. Was not expecting that.

[Huntman]

I'm surprised people are shocked by that.

It is John Cena we're talking about here.

[Jaysin]

So glad Brock didn't show up.

[juggaloninjalee]

HHH vs Taker match of the night I'd say.

[Stennick]

Either Jericho Punk or that yeah.

[djthefunkchris]

I enjoyed Punk/Jericho the most, and I liked that little spurt The Rock did toward the beginning of the match.

[Astil]

Id say Punk Jericho just for the ending, but yeah Taker HHH was great as well. Was rather underwhelmed by Rock, Cena. If they do it again next year hopefully both can give more.

[Huntman]

This was a pretty decent WrestleMania if you pretend the first half never existed.

[juggaloninjalee]

Id say Punk Jericho just for the ending, but yeah Taker HHH was great as well. Was rather underwhelmed by Rock, Cena. If they do it again next year hopefully both can give more.

My issue with Rock vs Cena is I could see them talking thru the whole match. Heard some of the spots which bothered me too.

HHH vs Taker I liked the most and was happy that Taker kept the streak going.

Punk vs Jericho was good but was annoyed that the focus early on was that Punk can't get DQed.

Glad Kane beat Orton too.

Hoping Bryan becomes a terrible heel in the mold of Savage and Elizabeth in the late 80s. I really think Bryan could become a great heel in the WWE. Loved that they were chanting for Bryan in the Orton vs KAne match too.

[Huntman]

Loved that they were chanting for Bryan in the Orton vs KAne match too.

I think almost every match opened with Daniel Bryan chants

[The Final Countdown]

I was looking forward to this Mania more than I have in years. Punk vs. Jericho was awesome, Cena vs. Rock was fun, and I thought Taker vs. HHH was way better than last year (though I hated their match last year.)

Despite all that, I doubt I'll watch Raw tomorrow, or wrestling at all in the near future. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow, but the Daniel Bryan "match" has made me less interested in wrestling than I can ever remember being.

[juggaloninjalee]

I was looking forward to this Mania more than I have in years. Punk vs. Jericho was awesome, Cena vs. Rock was fun, and I thought Taker vs. HHH was way better than last year (though I hated their match last year.)

Despite all that, I doubt I'll watch Raw tomorrow, or wrestling at all in the near future. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow, but the Daniel Bryan "match" has made me less interested in wrestling than I can ever remember being.

Is it because you think they are just going to bury Daniel Bryan now?

I love Daniel Bryan and was hoping he would win but he has an excuse for the quick loss. I think it is just for some character progression. That or maybe they are going for the 5 month burial before getting another run towards main event that they do with so many guys including Sheamus.

[bigtplaystew]

I loved the show in general. All the matches were pretty good. Hell in a Cell was a disaster from a booking standpoint but the last few minutes of the match made me forget about any problems I had with it. Great finish. I was legit surprised at the Cena/Rock finish as well.

[The Final Countdown]

Is it because you think they are just going to bury Daniel Bryan now?

I love Daniel Bryan and was hoping he would win but he has an excuse for the quick loss. I think it is just for some character progression. That or maybe they are going for the 5 month burial before getting another run towards main event that they do with so many guys including Sheamus.
I had no expectation that he would win. I was honestly fine with him losing, and shocked he'd even held onto the belt as long as he had. It's just the way it went down that upsets me.

He'll probably fall out of the main event (though I imagine he'll have a rematch with Sheamus first), but I don't think they're going to bury him, no. It's easy to see where they can go with this: he blames AJ for everything, making him into an even bigger jerk. I think he'll be just fine in the long run.

It's really just about having watched this guy for years, seeing him finally make it to the big stage, looking forward to seeing him wrestle on the biggest show of the year...only to be left feeling jipped two years straight.

[tommyb]

I'm guessing the Daniel Bryan loss was, as a couple of people have implied, setting up him to blame it on AJ and get really nasty. If that is the case, and it works out well, then I can get over not getting to see two of my favourite wrestlers go at it properly.

I loved the HHH/Taker match. There were a couple of places where it was very slow, but I think that worked for it. I have to admit, I was wincing at every chair shot by the end. Taker was absolutely hammering HHH.

[Arrows]

I had no expectation that he would win. I was honestly fine with him losing, and shocked he'd even held onto the belt as long as he had. It's just the way it went down that upsets me.

He'll probably fall out of the main event (though I imagine he'll have a rematch with Sheamus first), but I don't think they're going to bury him, no. It's easy to see where they can go with this: he blames AJ for everything, making him into an even bigger jerk. I think he'll be just fine in the long run.

It's really just about having watched this guy for years, seeing him finally make it to the big stage, looking forward to seeing him wrestle on the biggest show of the year...only to be left feeling jipped two years straight.

THIS.

As a Daniel Bryan fan, I am absolutely sickened by the fact that yet again I got screwed out of watching him wrestle at Mania. He was a large portion of the reason WWE got a little of my money, and what'd I get in return?

That bullshit.

[bigtplaystew]

Arrows is PISSED

[Tha Black Phenom]

Oh how I marked seeing Rock win. I was one of those who expected Cena to win all year long. All people kept saying throughout boards were Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Rock. I also thought Rock would've put Cena over like a million dollars(in a way he did) but damn.

Sheamus vs Bryan... What the hell. Here's the thing, I got into the movie theater right in the middle of the HIAC match(great bout), you couldn't imagine my reaction when I read the live coverage. Did their road agent take an absence of leave or what? I get that it wasn't the most hyped match on the card but come on WWE.

[The Final Countdown]

The guy from Deadliest Catch got more screen time than Daniel Bryan.

[Huntman]

The guy from Deadliest Catch got more screen time than Daniel Bryan.

I think a lot of the commercials were on air more than Daniel Bryan.

[djthefunkchris]

I wonder if they can get him to lose within' 17 seconds next year?

[bigtplaystew]

Mamasaurus got more time then D-Bry

[The Final Countdown]

Here's a fun one: Daniel Bryan got in less offense than his real-life girlfriend, Brie Bella.

[bigtplaystew]

Hey is it just me or does anyone else think Rock's sharpshooter is horrendous? It doesn't look remotely painful. He just kinda crosses the feet and holds on to them.

[The Final Countdown]

Hey is it just me or does anyone else think Rock's sharpshooter is horrendous? It doesn't look remotely painful. He just kinda crosses the feet and holds on to them.
Definitely not just you; it's horrible.

[djthefunkchris]

Hey is it just me or does anyone else think Rock's sharpshooter is horrendous? It doesn't look remotely painful. He just kinda crosses the feet and holds on to them.

In all honesty, more times then not during that match, I thought Cena was legitamately hurt... like before the match even started or something I missed towards the beginning.

Til' I hear otherwise, I'm not going to be too critical of The Rock on this one, as I have been in the past. To be honest, I thought he looked better then I remembered him, and he did the job for Cena big time, without losing.... If anyone understands what I mean by that. I'm not unhappy with his performance at all... I just didn't like the finish, felt too... I don't know, Flash-Pin like to me, and it just didn't feel like it fit there... I didn't want no one to pass out, or someone to look like they needed to be carried out or anything like that, just expected a different finish there... Like, I think it would have been cool if Rock used Cena's finisher to end it. Rock Bottum has never worked for a finisher for me... or Book End, or whatever.

[The Final Countdown]

I thought Rock did just fine too. No complaints from me about his overall performance; I've just always hated the way his sharpshooter looks.

[Jaysin]

His sharpshooter has always been terrible.

[bigtplaystew]

Yea I agree it was a good, engaging match. Definitely a solid main event. Rock did a fantastic job overall. As did Cena.

[dvdWarrior]

Luck struck gold for me tonight, and I got to see the show live as it happened at at someone's house, all I had to do was chip in a little on some vittles, so good times there.

Anywho....

I was thrilled as I could be when The Great One won. Sadly, out of my group of people, I was just about the only one happy about that. I got a couple of dirty looks, but still, I danced to the tune of Walkin' On Sunshine, just like I said I would, should The Rock emerge victorious, and a great time was had, (at least by me).

Trips vs Taker, and Punk vs Jericho were both very good as well, in my humble opinion. Also, I was very glad that Kane (quite surprisingly) got the win in his match. Nothing at all against Orton, but Kane doesn't always get his due, so it was nice to see him get a win like this at Mania.

Not really so sure about the rest of the show though, apart from those big 'main events'. Not so sure about The Undertaker's haircut either; someone in my group said his head looked like a peeled onion. Surely, that can't be a good thing.

[b0shey]

Oh how I marked seeing Rock win. I was one of those who expected Cena to win all year long. All people kept saying throughout boards were Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Rock. I also thought Rock would've put Cena over like a million dollars(in a way he did) but damn.

Sheamus vs Bryan... What the hell. Here's the thing, I got into the movie theater right in the middle of the HIAC match(great bout), you couldn't imagine my reaction when I read the live coverage. Did their road agent take an absence of leave or what? I get that it wasn't the most hyped match on the card but come on WWE.

Apparently WWE wanted to break the Chavo Guerrero vs Kane record a few years ago and they didnt so it was freaking pointless... poor Daniel Bryan.

[Genadi]

Few Mania thoughts - The Rock has always had a terrible Sharpshooter. D.Bryan wasn't buried, he'll be champ again (happy to bet anyone that disagrees :p ). Taker vs HHH shouldn't/didn't need to be in a HIAC. Rock gassed 6 minutes in. Vince is the master of swerve, the finish wasn't a shock. Santino needs a push. Could've done without the song and dance. Ric Flair can still afford a nice suit.

[Fleisch]

Few Mania thoughts - The Rock has always had a terrible Sharpshooter. D.Bryan wasn't buried, he'll be champ again (happy to bet anyone that disagrees :p ). Taker vs HHH shouldn't/didn't need to be in a HIAC. Rock gassed 6 minutes in. Vince is the master of swerve, the finish wasn't a shock. Santino needs a push. Could've done without the song and dance. Ric Flair can still afford a nice suit.

I don't disagree with Bryan Daniel becoming champ again, I do however think the belt doesn't really mean much these days anyway. You've only got to see how many times someone has been a "World Champ" these days to realise the belts don't mean as much as they used to. I wasn't happy with the 18 second "match" because when the divas match (which was god awful - can Kelly Kelly do one move without screaming like a porn star with an unmentionable up her unmentionable?) and the Funkasaurus got more time than Daniel Bryan and Sheamus I just kinda realised winning the Royal Rumble and winning titles in WWE are just "giimmicks and have no prestige whatsoever.

A match I was really looking forward to, Kane v Orton and I wasn't disappointed. Ortons selling at the end of the match was brilliant. He really made Kane look good, without damaging his own status as a top face. I don't know if many will agree with me on this match and I maybe being biased due to the fact I like Kane.

Cody v Big Show was... average at best I would say. I like Cody Rhodes and no doubt he'll get the belt back somewhere down the road. I just don't think Big Show and Rhodes mesh in the ring - however that said, after all the years service I could kind of see Big Show being given this victory, however I think Show as IC Champion is more a "thank you" for his years of loyalty more than being the guy to take a long run with the belt, but I could be wrong.

The Divas tag match gets about this much written about it... NOTHING!

I really enjoyed the Taker/HHH match. I was sceptical at first but was entertained, and even though in the back of my mind I knew the streak wouldn't end, at one point I thought I may have been wrong. For me, I think this was one of the more intense matches on the card afterwards, and I'm glad they gave it that "End of an Era" tag line because I wouldn't want to see it again - just because this one was so good. Shawn Michaels was great too. His emotion and conflict was portrayed brilliantly. You'll never see 3 wrestlers like these again. A dying breed, called characters - not generic cocky heel #134 vs. generic babyface #232. This was Triple H, The Game, The Cerebral Assassin against The Deadman, The Demon of Death Valley, The Undertaker! Must say though, Undertakers haircut was a bit suspect lol.

Hall of Fame inductees, I thought were great this year. I really would like Demolition in there one year - hey if Koko can do it then surely the first team to win the tag belts 3 times (I think that's right) could get a crack! lol.

Team Teddy v Team Long wasn't bad. Too many people involved in the match and maybe a 4 v 4 would have been better - I think Mark Henry and Khali could have been left out of it. Aksana looked hot... so boosted my interests lol.

One of the matches I bought the PPV for, CM Punk v Chris Jericho I thought was pretty awesome. I must admit though I was getting really tired by this point and struggling to keep my eyes open (I rarely stay up til stupid o'clock these days). however the match itself was good enough to stop me from finally succumbing to the heavy eyelids. The belief that Punk was going to lose the belt was there too. They genuinley amde you think "whoa, his reigns about to end" and I loved that. Plenty of back and forth, and neither man looked weak at the end of this one. Finish was spot on as well.

I'm sure I've missed something... oh yeah the Main Event. The only reason any of the audience bought the PPV. The only reason any of the live audience turned up. (Or so we'd been led to believe). I didn't care for it at all. Am I insane? some may think so. I just did not enjoy this match at all. I wanted to, hell I bought the PPV to eb entertained. My reasons for my dislike of this match was cecause The Rock looked like a guy who had been away from the ring too long, which i know he has been, but still that doesn't mean I have to like the match or cut any slack. This was a match hyped for a year, the main event of the biggest wrestlnig event of the year, and based on performance looked like a match you could have stuck somewhere in the middle of a Raw or Smackdown! card. Rock blew up a few minutes in and looked tired and breathless! I really was disappointed. Going into this match I wanted The Great One to win, I wanted him to destroy Cena, but by about the 8th minute I was bored and couldn't get myself back into the match. I ended up not caring who won and just wanted the match to end so I could go to sleep. I honestly hope that's the last time we see The Rock wrestle, because the ring rust was way too obvious for all to see, and at a huge event like Wrestlemania, you want to see a good match. Thank god this was "Once in a Lifetime".

All in all I thought this years event was good and I enjoyed the majority of the show. It was also the first WWE PPV I've watched since last years Wrestlemania - and worth the money I paid overall I thought. Just wishing the main event had been better. Just my opinions on the show.

[20LEgend]

The opener put me on a downer for the whole show, I didn't enjoy a second of it after (okay Jericho won me over for a second with the "hit me" chair thing)

WWE does not know funny - Foley in that segment made me sad as to what a pathetic joke he is. Mankind is my favourite, but Foley is a joke.

All those people in the back, I may be being naive but you think maybe someone would've stood up and said Bryan deserves better (Michaels, Regal, Punk) but I suppose they're not risking their own backs. I will never ever pay a single penny to the WWE - I hate everything they're about they're a wrestling company who despise wrestling and their audience.

I'm also tired of finisher fests, we saw too many finishers in the big matches, the Tombstone has been kicked out of for the last 5 years, I know he only wrestles once a year and it doesn't kill the move too much but to me it does. The story of the match was good but sometimes I think finishers get mistaken for drama and it's a bit cheap to me. I hate The Rock :(

I know for a fact I would have had such a more open mind to this show if Bryan, and Sheamus for that matter, would've got a decent match but this company really, really pissed me off last night. Not sure I can face watching them for a while now :(

I've never enjoyed a wrestling show less than I enjoyed this, Cena / Rock lacked the aura and big time feel and just turned into another dull match IMO.

[Genadi]

I just kinda realised winning the Royal Rumble and winning titles in WWE are just "giimmicks and have no prestige whatsoever.

You just realised this :p

[Fleisch]

You just realised this :p

Yeah I'm slow to catch on. I know :D

[Basmat01]

Im alittle disappointed that The Rock didnt give Cena a "Bring It" gesture.

Anyone notice David Otunga didnt get tagged at all in his match? Team Johnny was always going to win 4 of the 6 have been in and out of the mainevent and well Team Teddy was full of midcarders.

Found it funny that Bryan/Sheamus was bumped last year from the main card and this year were only given like 30 seconds. Second year in a row that the world title match has been the opening match of the show.

[LoNdOn]

I fully expected Bryan to lose.........but like that? Maybe at any other PPV, but Wrestlemania? Damn.........................

[juggaloninjalee]

It's almost like Daniel Bryan is this generations Bob Backlund. Now Sheamus will go on to have a Kevin Nash career... ok maybe not.

It's the WWE we are talking about. It is all about the storylines... not the wrestling.

[Basmat01]

It's the WWE we are talking about. It is all about the storylines... not the wrestling.

Randy Orton/Kane fued should continue past WM

[juggaloninjalee]

Randy Orton/Kane fued should continue past WM

I agree that will continue. So will Rock and Cena.

[Astil]

I think the biggest thing that annoyed me is how over with the crowd both Sheamus and Bryan are, and to waste that seems foolish. Kavetch about the IWC all you want, you had the entire front row with YES signs, and the crowd pretty much chanting for Bryan through much of the Orton v. Kane match, and some others as well. Just seems like a dumb move, ala Christian losing the title to Orton right away. Just because you can do it and make it work doesn't mean there wasn't a better way to tell the same story.

[juggaloninjalee]

I think the biggest thing that annoyed me is how over with the crowd both Sheamus and Bryan are, and to waste that seems foolish. Kavetch about the IWC all you want, you had the entire front row with YES signs, and the crowd pretty much chanting for Bryan through much of the Orton v. Kane match, and some others as well. Just seems like a dumb move, ala Christian losing the title to Orton right away. Just because you can do it and make it work doesn't mean there wasn't a better way to tell the same story.

I agree and not saying I would have had the same thing happen if I was in charge of booking. To let 18 seconds of a show ruin a whole 4 hours though is a bit extreme. Espescially since it was just the 1st 18 seconds of the show basically.

I wanted to see Bryan vs Sheamus and I thought it could have been the best match going into Mania. Yes it ended up being the worst match of the night since it wasn't really a match.

Lately I've been trying to watch wrestling for what it is and not letting it be so serious for me. It's working for me. It is why I didn't read too much of the stuff online during the show until Rock vs Cena pretty much and the divas match because I knew people would sway my own thoughts on the show. I may do the same with RAW tonight and from now on with most shows.

I do want Bryan to become the top heel in the WWE though. I think that would be great. Then down the line we may be able to get a great feud with CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan for whichever World Title.

[Stennick]

I really think people are overracting to the Daniel Bryan incident. In my opinion people from day one for this guy have really just had a "thing" for him. He really is this generation's He Who Shall Not Be Named. A guy that interent and indy fans adore, he's got great technical skill and the first thing you read on a fantasy booking site is this guy being pushed to a World Championship.

First it was changing his name around people were upset about that, then they were upset about his losing streak on NXT, then they wanted to convince themselves it was the start of a story where he'd win the whole thing. Then they thought the Michael Cole storyline would somehow catupult him to the United States Championship and freeing him up from NXT was good. Then he was fired and they were upset about that, THEN that was a work and he would come back.

I could go on but my point is people on the internet have maginfied his every move since before the WWE knew anything more about this kid than he was jobbing to Cena on that nights Velocity. I like Bryan, I think he's talented, I loved his stuff in ROH but looking at the guy I don't see the next main event draw. I'm personally stunned he got a chance to run with the ball for as long as he did. Honky Tonk Man had the same thing happen to him and so did Triple H and they turned out ok. It was one match at Mania and people on here are saying how they're put off from wrestling forever.

The problem is those same people will be complaining two weeks from now that he still doesn't have the championship back or whatever else is wrong. I think sometimes internet fans place themselves above regular fans so they have to take things to extreme. Instead of saying "dang Daniel Bryan is my favorite wrestler and he got humilated at Wrestlemania just like HTM and just like HHH" instead of just saying that people have to go on some big epilogue about how the WWE isn't about wrestling and how they're done watching it.

I'm not singling anyone out because its been about a dozen people. Saying things like "I'm done with the WWE" and "The WWE doesn't care about wrestling" and "The titles are just gimmicks". First of all the WHC title is indeed just a meaningless gimmick and has been since it became the title on Smackdown. That being said you don't honestly believe they will put the WWE title on anyone do you? "The title changes hands more now days than back in tha day". Of course it does. How many times would Christian and Randy Orton face each other on tv back in the day? Maybe ONCE in three months. Now they face each other three times in a week in some cases. At the height of the Wrestling craze there was pro wrestling on six days a week. Monday, Weds, Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sunday. All of those nights had superstar vs. superstar.

I will once again point out that my grandmother who was in her 70's would react the same way. We would rent the pay per views and when that damned Ric Flair cheated to hold onto the Title for another time she'd get upset and start hollering how she wasn't going to watch any more of these pay per views, they were a waste of time and money and how these guys all went to the bar afterwards together anyway. She was a mark (like we all are) a fan whatever you want to call it. When HER guy didn't win or didn't get the moment she wanted she felt jilted and put off and lashed out. Thats exactly what is going on here. I don't honestly believe anyone on this board is never going to watch the WWE again and won't be in here three weeks from now commenting on storylines.

The honest truth about Wrestlemania is the three matches they built the show around delivered in some fashion or another. The honest truth is Punk/Jericho wasn't AS good as it should have bee. The ending was all sorts of awesome but it started slow and certainly wasn't the MOTYC that everyone thought it would be. And honestly Cena/Rock was a bit better than it should have been since The Rock hasn't wrestled a singles match in NINE years.

[Astil]

I disagree about the Punk-Jericho match not living up. That was the best display of ring psychology I've seen in a very, very long time.

[Stennick]

The ending was a fantastic display of ring psychology. The last five minutes might be The Last Five Minutes of the Year Canidate but the entire match was not the show stealer it was supposed to be and in fact only truly got kicked into that high gear the last half or so. To each their own although I have a hard time believing anyone on the interet is going to say that Chris Jericho and CM Punk had a bad match together unless it was blatantly obvious. I'm not into stars but I'd say this was in the **** range and if you take away that awesome ending its a ***. To each their own. John Cena and CM Punk had better matches than Jericho and Punk had a Wrestlemania. All of the Cena/Punk matches were better IMO. Which is funny because John is supposed to be some lug that doesn't know what he's doing so clearly it was all CM Punk carrying him. However if that was the case then shouldn't Jericho a man that clearly does know what he's doing blow those matches out of the water? Its not like it was just the storyline because Punk/Jericho had by far the best storyline of Wrestlemania and maybe the best storyline in the last two years with regards to Mania storylines.

[The Final Countdown]

Instead of saying "dang Daniel Bryan is my favorite wrestler and he got humilated at Wrestlemania just like HTM and just like HHH" instead of just saying that people have to go on some big epilogue about how the WWE isn't about wrestling and how they're done watching it.
For me, it's a combination of last night AND last year. Two years in a row, I've been excited to watch my favorite wrestler, the guy who (along with Punk and Samoa Joe) is the reason I didn't stop watching wrestling like nine years ago, wrestle on the biggest night of the year. And two years in a row, it hasn't happened.

[Stennick]

I get that and with Joe being a joke in TNA and DB being treated this way you might not want to watch the WWE anymore. But at the same time he did have a run with the WHC main eventing Smackdown, having crazy good, high profile matches with CM Punk the guy has had a helluva 2012 up until last night I would say. In fact I'd say he's been playing with the houses money ever since being in the WWE. I didn't figure he'd ever be a signifcant part of it let alone be a main eventer so I'm happy for the guy and as I poitned out HTM and HHH had similar situations happen to them and they turned out ok in the end :)

Everybody likes something different I just choose to look at all the good stuff the guy has had happen to him the last six months or so.

[20LEgend]

I agree that having 18 seconds ruin a whole show is an overreaction - but that is what happened for me :p

My main gripe isn't about character or the integrity of the belt. My problem is that a guy who I really like based on his work, Wrestling Road Diaries and a bunch of other stuff, who clearly loves wrestling has been advertised to be having a match and has worked all year to get to Wrestlemania and he and I get that. A supporting character dieing after 18 seconds would be annoying too.

[djthefunkchris]

/nod to just about everything being said. I understand the frustration with DB, I understand Stennicks position and TFC's for that matter.

I've said something similar before. When I read these forums, this thread in particular, it reminds me of talking with my buddies in school... Way back in the 80's. I think this forum is the whole reason I actually still watch wrestling, because I get something out of it with all the comments on here.

Just like Stennick was saying about his Grandmother, I can say the same thing about my parents, etc. Some of my friends loved Roddy Piper, some hated him. When he cheated to win, they would get mad and say "I'm never watching this again, what are they thinking about!!!" Especially if they liked his opponant.

The "Mark"/"Smark" thing doesn't really make anything difference to me. Everyone knows that Wrestling is fake, unless your 10... and even then someone has probably told you already. This has been true for almost 100 years... only they didn't need the internet to know it was fake back then (the papers reported on it enough to convince anyone).

HOWEVER: It does dissapoint me with the grandest PPV of them all. I'm not as huge of a fan for DB in the sense that I'm with most that say when I look at him I don't see the next great Main Eventer of all times. However, I do see all the other skills in him. I do realise there are alot of people that root for him, that like him, that want to see him achieve all the goals a person in Wrestling would like to achieve. I for the life of me have never understood how they can put someone on the grandest PPV of them all, and not have them perform, knowing all this.

You don't say "insert any favorite actor here" is going to be one of the stars of a movie, just to have them show up for a cameo. You shouldn't do that on these PPV's, as people are paying money to see their "favorites" perform.

Just saying, this one night a year, they should have serious match's, no matter the outcomes. No one should be in a match that lasts less then 30 seconds.

[The Final Countdown]

But at the same time he did have a run with the WHC main eventing Smackdown, having crazy good, high profile matches with CM Punk the guy has had a helluva 2012 up until last night I would say. In fact I'd say he's been playing with the houses money ever since being in the WWE. I didn't figure he'd ever be a signifcant part of it let alone be a main eventer so I'm happy for the guy and as I poitned out HTM and HHH had similar situations happen to them and they turned out ok in the end :)
I totally agree with all of this. He's risen further than I ever expected he would, and I think he'll be just fine going forward.

[dvdWarrior]

I have to admit, D-Bry losing in 18 seconds would have definitely put a damper on my WrestleMania festivities, had I not been so focused on Rock - Cena. Also, I missed the whole Sheamus - D-Bry match...

I was in the kitchen, putting barbecue potato chips on my plate, when I heard someone yell, "One match is already over!" from the living room.

Not something I would have wanted to see, even though I fully expected Sheamus to walk away with the gold.

:eek:

[Genadi]

Punk and DB have been featured more wrestling wise on WWE programming the last 6 months. If it's seeing those guys go on a weekly basis that people want they've delivered on point.

Wrestlemania is more about creating a WM moment. I think that's what they were trying to give prob on account that the match would be lost in the shuffle anyway.

[djthefunkchris]

Punk and DB have been featured more wrestling wise on WWE programming the last 6 months. If it's seeing those guys go on a weekly basis that people want they've delivered on point.

Wrestlemania is more about creating a WM moment. I think that's what they were trying to give prob on account that the match would be lost in the shuffle anyway.

I see the point, I just don't like it. I can't count how many times a lesser match has stolen the show, that wasn't supposed to be the focus. I can never really recall that ever being a bad thing.

Taker vs. HHH doing so well this time around is something I don't think anyone actually expected... IF they come back next year and do it even better, no one would expect that... but if it happened people would be glad (unless they are just totally sick of them or the storyline sucked/didn't work for it).

If they got lost in the shuffle, IMO it really doesn't hurt it at all... However, if they stole the show, it could have been potentially great.

I quoted you, but I know you understand what I'm talking about, with all that heavy research you've done into wrestling history. Lots of things happened that wasn't supposed to happen, and meant good things for the people involved.

[Fantabulous]

People like to see guys they know are super talented finally get their big moment on the biggest stage to show the world just how good they are. And when they get taken off the big show entirely one year and the next year are squashed in 18-seconds for a reason that is beyond stupid, they're bound to get irritated and quite understandably so. But I won't go into a lengthy and tiresome dissertation over it. If you can't see why fans of a talented worker who finally gets his moment on the big stage are less than happy over his being treated like an afterthought, well, the best argument in the world isn't going to sink in.

[djthefunkchris]

Is Fantabulous ever talking to anyone? Who didn't understand, who is this mystery person that don't understand why fans of DB are upset?

[moon_lit_tears]

Is Fantabulous ever talking to anyone? Who didn't understand, who is this mystery person that don't understand why fans of DB are upset?

I'm not a fan of DB, but loooooooooooooove Sheamus.

I didn't see the match myself. I was at a party and did not get home till Rock/Cena was about 15 minutes from being over. I will say I think DB deserved a better spot on Mania. It's Wrestlemania. They should have some great matches. That match could have been at say....Raw or something. People will still bribe and complain, but Mania was not the place for it.

[Bull]

The way I see it is if they want to do these crappy 20 and 30 second matches do them on the pay per views that don't mean anything. Wrestlemania is suppose to be this grand stage and i just think that doing stuff like that not only devalues the workers but the event as well. When people watch Wrestlemania they expect the best show of the year, and putting on an 18 second squash, regardless of who is involved just takes away from that, and adds absolutely nothing to the show.

[juggaloninjalee]

The way I see it is if they want to do these crappy 20 and 30 second matches do them on the pay per views that don't mean anything. Wrestlemania is suppose to be this grand stage and i just think that doing stuff like that not only devalues the workers but the event as well. When people watch Wrestlemania they expect the best show of the year, and putting on an 18 second squash, regardless of who is involved just takes away from that, and adds absolutely nothing to the show.

I agree that they would have complained no matter who was in the 18 second squash match.

If that was the RAW vs SD match people would complain... If it was the divas tag match people would complain about it. Really any 18 second squash gets people talking about it. In fact I think every where on the internet that is probably the most talked about match of the night last night.

[bigtplaystew]

I'm not SHoCKED that D-Bry is generating rage. I'm a little surprised that people who've been watching this long enough don't realize that's most likely EXACTLY what they were going for.

I was watching it with alot of people. Some were REALLY pissed lol. I don't get it. It's a wrestling show. They're gonna throw swerves and curves in there to keep it from being completely predictable. And it works. Usually wrestling fans' predictions turn out to be about half right. I think most of us got pretty close to half when I looked at the predictions earlier in the thread.

[Tha Black Phenom]

The way I look at it now...

MiTB, his unbelievably chocky momentum throughout his career, this title match... I think this is Daniel Bryan's career in a nutshell. The thing being that it gets us talking every time. Which is a good thing in a way.

But it has to be said, watching that Funkasaurus crap just made the whole thing a tad more disconcerting.

[20LEgend]

I'm not SHoCKED that D-Bry is generating rage. I'm a little surprised that people who've been watching this long enough don't realize that's most likely EXACTLY what they were going for.

I was watching it with alot of people. Some were REALLY pissed lol. I don't get it. It's a wrestling show. They're gonna throw swerves and curves in there to keep it from being completely predictable. And it works. Usually wrestling fans' predictions turn out to be about half right. I think most of us got pretty close to half when I looked at the predictions earlier in the thread.

The reason I was pissed is because I believe the guy deserves better and a match I was looking forward to basically didn't happen.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm sure I've missed something... oh yeah the Main Event. The only reason any of the audience bought the PPV. The only reason any of the live audience turned up. (Or so we'd been led to believe). I didn't care for it at all. Am I insane? some may think so. I just did not enjoy this match at all. I wanted to, hell I bought the PPV to eb entertained. My reasons for my dislike of this match was cecause The Rock looked like a guy who had been away from the ring too long, which i know he has been, but still that doesn't mean I have to like the match or cut any slack. This was a match hyped for a year, the main event of the biggest wrestlnig event of the year, and based on performance looked like a match you could have stuck somewhere in the middle of a Raw or Smackdown! card. Rock blew up a few minutes in and looked tired and breathless! I really was disappointed. Going into this match I wanted The Great One to win, I wanted him to destroy Cena, but by about the 8th minute I was bored and couldn't get myself back into the match. I ended up not caring who won and just wanted the match to end so I could go to sleep. I honestly hope that's the last time we see The Rock wrestle, because the ring rust was way too obvious for all to see, and at a huge event like Wrestlemania, you want to see a good match. Thank god this was "Once in a Lifetime".


While I agree there were certain questionable, even downright sloppy moments in the Rock/Cena match, you really expecting that much out of John Cena and The Rock is asking for it. Needless to say what they're really known for. Sure, it was hyped for a year but it's still Cena and Rock we're talking about... when it comes to the ring, I mean they're pretty agile, they have some modicum of in-ring psychology, know more than most how to work the crowd, basically they're pretty damn good. But I never expected them to be the breathtaking match of the night. Just the noisiest, most engaging one. From the start, I ticked that MOTY box to go to HHH/Taker or Punk/Jericho. Or actually Sheamus/D-Bry but.. that didn't turn out exactly right. :p There's just a point where you let hype build things up for you a bit too much.

And after witnessing Bret Hart duking it out at Mania, a trio of legends where only one of them turned out to do a decent job afterall, if all it takes is completely expected ring rust to not warrant Rock wrestling anymore, then I guess priorities are in the right order. :p

[Dead_Jester]

I was watching it with alot of people. Some were REALLY pissed lol. I don't get it. It's a wrestling show. They're gonna throw swerves and curves in there to keep it from being completely predictable. And it works.

Good point, but you can't blame people for being pissed if they are Bryan or Sheamus fans who bought Mania specifically to see that match. I know i'd feel like i got hit with the old bait and switch if that match was the only reason i bothered with Mania. Squash matches should really only be done on Raw and Smackdown, that way people don't feeling like they just got screwed paying to see something that was advertised and basically didn't happen, but hey, that's just my opinion.

[Basmat01]

Would people be less upset if they didnt waste 10 mins on a stupid Brodus Clay dance?

[20LEgend]

Would people be less upset if they didnt waste 10 mins on a stupid Brodus Clay dance?

I think the overall time filling wasting was cut down. (approx) 111 of a 240min show for matches - it's not like there was time constraints. Not only Clay but also that Deadlist Catch crap and far too many adverts for a pay-per-view.

[Zeel1]

Hmmm, so A-Train's back, and they're banking on his years of being badass in Japan. Unexpected, but interesting~

[Tha Black Phenom]

Would people be less upset if they didnt waste 10 mins on a stupid Brodus Clay dance?

There lies the problem too. Even if it weren't for that, we'll always put the finger on something that could've made up for extra match time. Arguably the pre-Cena/Rock concerts or something else.

Rock vying to become WWE champion.. pretty interesting. IWC speculation, gogogo!

Crowd's been ballistic for Daniel Bryan and he hasn't even shown up yet. Is the "YES!" becoming the new "WHAT"?

Nice look for A-Train.

[juggaloninjalee]

Every RAW after Wrestlemania is awesome. This seems like the best RAW I've seen in a long time. Plus this is a real wrestling crowd. I love it!

[ShaunGBD]

I gotta ask was that real boos or not? I know he didn't something like that with Raven and it was real (Or so I been told)

[ShaunGBD]

Who is this A.W. guy is he on SD? I watch Raw every week and haven't him before.

[Zeel1]

Who is this A.W. guy is he on SD? I watch Raw every week and haven't him before.

It was Abraham Washington. First appearance since ECW ended.

[jaredpalexander]

WM 28

High Point: Chris Jericho screaming for Punk to hit him with a chair.

Brilliant.

Low Point: Metallica playing over the lowering of the cage.

The crowd is hot and you have probably the most promient moment of the entire show at that point as two icons stare each other down only to have the moment drowned out by a poorly cued Metallica cut. I mean Cole and Lawler had enough sense to stay quiet and just let the moment happen, but them some AV guy just had to "juice" things up. I mean let's imagine for a second it's Wrestlemania III, Andre and Hogan are staring each other down and then Vince cues "Born in the USA" by Springsteen.

Alright...yeah that would have been pretty solid actually...ignore this post.

[tommyb]

Shucky ducky quack quack. Brock is back.

[GhostDogg]

Cena IS DEAD!!!!

OMG!!!

Congrats WWE, you dont SUCK ANYMORE.

[critical-23]

Like D-Bry: Brock! Brock! Brock! Brock! Brock! Brock! Brock! lol

[djthefunkchris]

What the heck is an MMA guy doing in wrestling. This is silly... What are they going to sign now, an ex football player, or a bodybuilder? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have an Action Movie star headline Wrestlemania next year with all this crap.

[Astil]

I want to mark out for that crowd.

[Teh_Showtime]

I hate Shamrock too

[juggaloninjalee]

Here comes the pain!

I am so glad Brock Lesnar is back. I just hope he is back full time.

[djthefunkchris]

My wife say's "He asked for Rock, NOT BROCK!"

The main reason I thought it was funny is because when I looked back at her, she was dead serious.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Someone told me something along the lines of "here comes the pain b***h" on Facebook mere seconds before(as Cena called out Rock) and I started to have goosebumps... can't believe it actually happened. lol.

Picture-perfect moment.

What the heck is an MMA guy doing in wrestling. This is silly... What are they going to sign now, an ex football player, or a bodybuilder? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have an Action Movie star headline Wrestlemania next year with all this crap.

Food for thought, Lesnar's pro wrestling career has been slightly longer than his MMA one. Or they're pretty much about equal, depends on how you view him holding the IWPG physical belt.

[juggaloninjalee]

On more than 1 occasion your wife has said or something that you posted about. Every time I read about your wife when you post it is something hilarious.

[Teh_Showtime]

I want to mark out for that crowd.

YES!

[djthefunkchris]

On more than 1 occasion your wife has said or something that you posted about. Every time I read about your wife when you post it is something hilarious.

I'm glad you thought so. Sometimes she is just the perfect example of things we talk about here and I can't help but share it.. I know it's not as funny typed out as it is with me sitting here by her, but I really hope that the picture can at least be imagined.

[djthefunkchris]

I want to mark out for that crowd.

YES!
This guy GhostDogg here, seems like he is in heaven. I wouldn't say half the things that he types, but I can really feel the joy here, lol.
Cena IS DEAD!!!!

OMG!!!

Congrats WWE, you dont SUCK ANYMORE.

[The Final Countdown]

I almost didn't watch Raw tonight, but I was interested enough in the post-Mania fallout that I caved. Damn, I'm glad I did! That "match" at Wrestlemania somehow turned Bryan into a bigger star, at least with this crowd. Love that Cena acknowledged it, after two hours' worth of Cole and Lawler basically pretending it wasn't happening.

And of course...LESNAR. Aside from the D-Bryan love, I think my favorite part of the show was when Brock kicked Cena's hat after hitting the F-5. :D

[Tha Black Phenom]

John Laurinatis telling Punk there's some natural disasters on the horizon for him.

F5 = cyclone/tornado

Lesnar vs. Punk in the future?


bah, I wish lampshading was this smooth. :o

[Zeel1]

John Laurinatis telling Punk there's some natural disasters on the horizon for him.

F5 = cyclone/tornado

Lesnar vs. Punk in the future?


bah, I wish lampshading was this smooth. :o

Seems a little too clever... :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

I was gonna say.

And now, the proverbial funny return markout video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp5U-hN2DUk

[ampulator]

I forgot how small Brock has become-even without roids, ever since his diverticulitis, he's so much smaller. Probably doesn't way more than 295ish on average these days.

[Jaysin]

John Laurinatis telling Punk there's some natural disasters on the horizon for him.

F5 = cyclone/tornado

Lesnar vs. Punk in the future?


bah, I wish lampshading was this smooth. :o

Doesn't Tensai mean natural disaster?

Also, I feel alone. I never got into Lesnar, so him coming back doesn't do anything for me. His personality outside of the ring/octagon/whatever has always come across like he's a prick so that has always made it even harder for me to care about him.

I used to say this back in his original run and I'll say it again now even though it's corny, "here comes the lame" :p

[critical-23]

And of course...LESNAR. Aside from the D-Bryan love, I think my favorite part of the show was when Brock kicked Cena's hat after hitting the F-5. :D

Mine too!

[djthefunkchris]

Well... Looks like everyone's going to have to update their "real" world mods and let Lesnar back in wrestling again, lol.

[soxfan93]

According to multiple sources, WWE has signed a one year deal with Brock Lesnar that will see the former UFC and WWE champion work for the company through Wrestlemania 29 in New Jersey.

Sources speaking to PWInsider.com state that Lesnar has signed for a minimum two appearances a month over the next year, plus an additional number of appearances during the build to the Mania PPV and obviously, Mania 29 itself.

The belief is that Lesnar will make in the area of 30-35 appearances over the next year, although WWE would have the ability to negotiate additional appearances with him above and beyond that - if Lesnar is willing to make them.

Link (http://pwinsider.com/article.php?id=67317&p=1)

Very interesting.

[milamber]

Sheamus v Bryan - What? What? What? Ballsy decision to have Sheamus win in no time at all. If anything it's what the fued really needed to kick it up a notch. The Extreme Rules rematch could be brutal if scripted right.

Kane v Orton - Okay match with a good finish. Would have been better No Holds Barred though so they could get out of the ring. Glad Kane won.

Rhodes v Show - Decent match. I had a feeling Show would win. His emotional reaction sold the moment.

Divas - Watchable match like last year's. Couple of good moves by Kelly and Maria looked hot.

HHH v Taker - JR! After being blah about the build-up, I got excited during the entrances. Instructions from the Board: "Do whatever you want in the match just don't kill each other!" Fracking brutal. Classic kitchen sink match and a fitting tribute to the attitude era. Absolutely loved it!

Team Johnny v Team Teddy - Fun filler match. Surprised it wasn't elimination rules. Not surprised Team Johnny won.

Jericho v Punk - Interesting stipulation, good storytelling. "Tap out you son of a b***h!" Great match. Had Jericho down for the win even though Punk is
my favourite wrestler. Hope the feud is far from over.

Rock v Cena - MGK riled up the crowd and Cena went green. Crowd was nuts for this match as expected. "Fruity pebble! Tooth fairy!" Smart game plan from Cena trying to break Rock's core strength with Rock selling the pain like a pro. Rock looked like he'd never been out of the ring. Made sense going forward for Rock to win. Jericho v Punk was probably better but this one had that special feel to it like Punk v Cena at MITB.


Outdoors Wrestlemania with a massive crowd = awesome. Bryan, Rhodes and Taker all had cool costumes. The order of the card was good. Undercard was decent enough and the 3 main events delivered. Can't believe I'm saying it but HHH v Taker was my favourite match. Best Wrestlemania since I started watching WWE in 2009.

[milamber]

I don't disagree with Bryan Daniel becoming champ again, I do however think the belt doesn't really mean much these days anyway. You've only got to see how many times someone has been a "World Champ" these days to realise the belts don't mean as much as they used to. I wasn't happy with the 18 second "match" because when the divas match (which was god awful - can Kelly Kelly do one move without screaming like a porn star with an unmentionable up her unmentionable?) and the Funkasaurus got more time than Daniel Bryan and Sheamus I just kinda realised winning the Royal Rumble and winning titles in WWE are just "giimmicks and have no prestige whatsoever.

How many months has Punk been champion in the last 12 months? Things are changing but don't expect year-long reigns that casual fans that find boring.

And in all fairness to Kelly, she pulled off 2 really good moves. Blame WWE for making the division a farce when they actually have a few divas capable of actually wrestling.

[Basmat01]

Rock v Cena - MGK riled up the crowd and Cena went green. Crowd was nuts for this match as expected. "Fruity pebble! Tooth fairy!" Smart game plan from Cena trying to break Rock's core strength with Rock selling the pain like a pro. Rock looked like he'd never been out of the ring. Made sense going forward for Rock to win. Jericho v Punk was probably better but this one had that special feel to it like Punk v Cena at MITB.


Yer he looked like he never has but wrestled like he has had only one match in 8 years prior to this one.

[djthefunkchris]

How many months has Punk been champion in the last 12 months? Things are changing but don't expect year-long reigns that casual fans that find boring.

And in all fairness to Kelly, she pulled off 2 really good moves. Blame WWE for making the division a farce when they actually have a few divas capable of actually wrestling.

To be fair, it seemed like Beth carried (and I do mean carried) a couple of them moves, but I did enjoy the jump off the ropes. I thought that was one of the best of the night actually. But yeah, they had a bunch of I don't know if I would call them "botch's" or just kind of sloppy, easy to see who was really doing the work, type of thing going on... Like when Beth went to slam Kelly headfirst, took all of Beth's might it seemed to get Kelly back up so she could "reverse" it.

That move she did, when she landed right on top of Beth perfectly executed, and perfectly caught (by Beth), looked really smooth, sweet, or whatever you want to say, almost flawless. Best jump from turnbuckle/ropes all night.

[ThatChizzle]

Just FYI, I looked around on the internet, Tensai means Genius or Prodigy.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_tensai

[TakerNGN74]

Sheamus v Bryan - What? What? What? Ballsy decision to have Sheamus win in no time at all. If anything it's what the fued really needed to kick it up a notch. The Extreme Rules rematch could be brutal if scripted right.

I don't know if you read any of the dirt sheets after mania but they did the short World Heavyweight Championship match in an attempt to break the record for shortest WrestleMania Title match. The record they were trying to break was the one set by the Kane vs. Chavo match at WM 23 which was eight seconds long, the match between Bryan and Sheamus was 18 seconds long. It would have probably of broken the record but I read somewhere that the Charles Robinson (the referee of the match) rang the bell too early. He rang it before AJ got on the apron to kiss Bryan and he was supposed to ring it after AJ got off of the apron and before Bryan turned around. That might not be exactly accurate but thats the story I heard. Anyways they didn't break the record and the Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan match got shafted for the second year straight.

I was looking forward to that match last year before I heard that it was pulled from the card and I was looking foward to their match at 28 until it turned into what it was. Its almost as if the match didn't happen at all.

I agree that their extreme rules match could be awesome but if this was the start of a feud I am just not happy with the way they went about doing it.

Other than that though Wrestlemania was awesome not as good as 17 or 19 in my opinion but it was a solid show minus the Bryan vs. Sheamus fiasco.

[Bull]

Just FYI, I looked around on the internet, Tensai means Genius or Prodigy.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_tensai

Yoshi Tatsu said Tensai means a natural disaster or and act of god on twitter when those promos started airing.

[Target Practice]

To offer another point of view on DB/Sheamus, I watched 'Mania with my brother and his housemates, who aren't quite smarks, but not quite marks either, and it actually got a pretty decent pop from all of us to start the event. With the lack of a relevant tag team division, I've often found that WWE PPVs tend to be a bit slow off the mark, whereas this woke all of us up right off the bat.

I like DB, he's a top-class worker and I'm really impressed with his heel work, and to not see him get more of a shot at 'mania after the year he's had is a shame, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it - he's a young, talented guy, and he'll have plenty more opportunities over the years.
To be honest, the two guys I felt really sorry for were Jericho and Punk - they had a really good match, but the crowd were caught in a place where they were still a little burned out after the Taker/HHH match and knowing that the Rock/Cena match was going to be next, so apart from a few spots and the ending, the match was worked in pretty flat conditions, which is a shame, as it deserved much more.

All-in-all, I thought 'Mania was a pretty good event that had a little bit of something for everyone, smarks, marks or just the guys (and gals) that only watch the big events.

[ThatChizzle]

Oh, well it's hard to translate Japanese to English lol

There are also some old anime from 1967 called Tensai Bakabon, which also translated as Genius Bakabon, that was why I posted it as that.

But I would Trust Yoshi Tatsu more than myself, heh I'm born and live in Texas, so I know nothing about Japanese :p


I found a Dictionary online http://www.freedict.com/, There are four ways to translate Tensai...
Tensai - Horizon
Tensai - Natural Calamity, Disaster
Tensai - Genius, Prodigy, Natural Gift
Tensai - Reprinting

lol I kept wondering why everyway I kept searching "Tensai" would only come up as Genius. Heh I must have way too much free time on my hands to search for this for way too long lol

[Genadi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihrrldo5RYk

I'm prob going to hell for this but it made me feel good for some reason :o

[Nathers7]

Lol I didn't think the crowd would be that pissed off with Bryan losing but WWE creative only have themselves to blame for tainting Sheamus' title reign. If Del Rio didn't come out when he did, Sheamus would have been booed out of the building. Looks like Bryan might go back Face as a more serious character judging by that iinterview segment.

The look on that Cena fan's face in the front row when Lesnar lifted him up was priceless, must admit the crowd really made that segment.

[Blackman]

Yes! tasty tears!!! :p

Anyhow, kinda suprised that the Rock won. Really expected those goofs to let Cena win once again. This did it for me: Cena is never going to be in stuff of legend. His whole ring-attitude during that match was just... wrong. No offense against him. He probably has a lot of value for the company (and I understand his push to the moon), just not as a wrestler. Sorry.

Wrestlemania itself was kind of a disappointment. I don't know. Sure, it had a bit for everyone, yes. The lower card and midcard was complete garbage. To be expected in a wrestling event, no big deal, even for Mania. Apart from those last 2 moves, the entire card was as predictable as hell. Ok, so I thought the first match was going to take 30 seconds. It was 12; big deal. :p Not that predictability is bad or anything. But the cornyness. God... Maybe HHH vs Taker could be a 5 star match, but I can't seriously give Rock vs Cena 5 stars. Punk vs Jericho was also kind of a missed opportunity. Jericho's heart and soul were simply not in it (imo).

So what I recall of the event was that it's indeed the end of an era. The last we'll see of the Rock, probably. And the rest of the older generation simply doesn't have it anymore (except for Trips/Taker). HBK's entrance was awkward (and not because of the botched pyro). Jericho's performance was not as great as it used to be... So end of an era, though they did just bring in Lesnar. :p

[Jaysin]

Yes! tasty tears!!! :p

Anyhow, kinda suprised that the Rock won. Really expected those goofs to let Cena win once again. This did it for me: Cena is never going to be in stuff of legend. His whole ring-attitude during that match was just... wrong. No offense against him. He probably has a lot of value for the company (and I understand his push to the moon), just not as a wrestler. Sorry.

Wrestlemania itself was kind of a disappointment. I don't know. Sure, it had a bit for everyone, yes. The lower card and midcard was complete garbage. To be expected in a wrestling event, no big deal, even for Mania. Apart from those last 2 moves, the entire card was as predictable as hell. Ok, so I thought the first match was going to take 30 seconds. It was 12; big deal. :p Not that predictability is bad or anything. But the cornyness. God... Maybe HHH vs Taker could be a 5 star match, but I can't seriously give Rock vs Cena 5 stars. Punk vs Jericho was also kind of a missed opportunity. Jericho's heart and soul were simply not in it (imo).

So what I recall of the event was that it's indeed the end of an era. The last we'll see of the Rock, probably. And the rest of the older generation simply doesn't have it anymore (except for Trips/Taker). HBK's entrance was awkward (and not because of the botched pyro). Jericho's performance was not as great as it used to be... So end of an era, though they did just bring in Lesnar. :p

Really? Cena has already cemented himself as a hall of famer and they could bury him for months and he'd still probably sell merch out the wazoo. Cena will be remembered up there with Hogan, Savage, Austin, Rock, Michaels, HHH, etc etc. I also thought Cena's acting in the match was actually better than his usual stuff and sure, Rock has lost a step along the way, but I loved the match and I think that match is going to mentioned in the list of best Wrestlemania matches of all time because of Cena AND the Rock's performances. I'm nowhere near the biggest Cena fan, but the guy deserves every bit of success he gets. He works harder than damn near anyone. I would have preferred Cena winning and I don't think they would have been goofs for letting him win either. Since Cena came to the WWE and made a crap gimmick the hottest thing going, he's been there. The only times he's left was when he was injured. He didn't leave to join the NFL or go to MMA or Hollywood. Sure, he made a few movies, but he never missed much time for them. He wasn't gone for 7-8 years like Brock or Rock.

Also, for the second part I bolded, Rock said he's going for the WWE title.

[Teh_Showtime]

Yes! tasty tears!!! :p

Anyhow, kinda suprised that the Rock won. Really expected those goofs to let Cena win once again. This did it for me: Cena is never going to be in stuff of legend. His whole ring-attitude during that match was just... wrong. No offense against him. He probably has a lot of value for the company (and I understand his push to the moon), just not as a wrestler. Sorry.

Wrestlemania itself was kind of a disappointment. I don't know. Sure, it had a bit for everyone, yes. The lower card and midcard was complete garbage. To be expected in a wrestling event, no big deal, even for Mania. Apart from those last 2 moves, the entire card was as predictable as hell. Ok, so I thought the first match was going to take 30 seconds. It was 12; big deal. :p Not that predictability is bad or anything. But the cornyness. God... Maybe HHH vs Taker could be a 5 star match, but I can't seriously give Rock vs Cena 5 stars. Punk vs Jericho was also kind of a missed opportunity. Jericho's heart and soul were simply not in it (imo).

So what I recall of the event was that it's indeed the end of an era. The last we'll see of the Rock, probably. And the rest of the older generation simply doesn't have it anymore (except for Trips/Taker). HBK's entrance was awkward (and not because of the botched pyro). Jericho's performance was not as great as it used to be... So end of an era, though they did just bring in Lesnar. :p

You do know that Cena has far surpassed the Rock with ring work, right?

Punk/Jericho and HHH/Taker delivered in a big way and Obviously Rock/Cena

I don't see how you say the older guys don't have it anymore, when HIAC far surpassed the glorified squash from last year, and Jericho and Punk had the best match.

[milamber]

Good move opening the show (bar the intro) with Rock annoucing his intentions to be champions.

Santino v Ziggler v Swagger - Okay match. Predictable win for Santino. I smell a Santino/Brodus tag team brewing.

Good time for a Tensai's debut. Now that's how you do a squash match! Happy to see A-Ri back on Raw -- the crowd still get behind him.

Punk v Henry - Good match with Henry smack talking and countering Punk repeatedly. Punk's comeback was epic. The finish made sense. Jericho smashing the alcohol bottle over Punk's head (nicely faked) was a total holy f*** moment!

Sign of the night: "Don't blink. You'll miss a D-Bry match." Del Rioooooooooooooooooo! Sheamus was a good sport ignoring the Daniel Bryan chants. Also seems Bryan's "Yes! Yes! Yes!" is the new hot chant. No way they'll bury him now.

I enjoyed Cena's philosophical speech. Brock Lesnar??? Holy f*** moment #2.

Damn good Raw. WWE is exciting right now!

[milamber]

My favourite Youtube comment: "When Brock came out I peed on myself a little then got on the ground and started bowing down to my tv screen, then when the show ended I think I passed out..... BEST MONDAY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I wasn't watching WWE when Brock was in it but I did watch a few clips of him last year. I'd love to see Cena take on Tensai and Brock.

[milamber]

Yer he looked like he never has but wrestled like he has had only one match in 8 years prior to this one.

Fair enough. I thought Rock was selling Cena's offense but maybe they were just hiding his ring rust. Either way I enjoyed it because I didn't expect Cena to dominate Rock so much.

[Basmat01]

Fair enough. I thought Rock was selling Cena's offense but maybe they were just hiding his ring rust. Either way I enjoyed it because I didn't expect Cena to dominate Rock so much.

What sold it for me was that smirk Cena had though out the match.

[ChrisKid]

To me the best raw for a long time, the crowd was so awesome and was so cool that the crowd practically lost it when Lesnar's music played.
Lord Tensai looked cool and good to see Del Rio again.
If i get good summer exam results you can beat i will be running around shouting "YES,YES,YES!"

[Remianen]

To be honest, the two guys I felt really sorry for were Jericho and Punk - they had a really good match, but the crowd were caught in a place where they were still a little burned out after the Taker/HHH match and knowing that the Rock/Cena match was going to be next, so apart from a few spots and the ending, the match was worked in pretty flat conditions, which is a shame, as it deserved much more.

I agree. I think the match order could've been done better. Like put the Divas match between Hell in a Cell and Punk-Jericho and push the GM match back.

Yes! tasty tears!!! :p

Anyhow, kinda suprised that the Rock won. Really expected those goofs to let Cena win once again. This did it for me: Cena is never going to be in stuff of legend. His whole ring-attitude during that match was just... wrong. No offense against him. He probably has a lot of value for the company (and I understand his push to the moon), just not as a wrestler. Sorry.

You do realize that if WWE followed your line of thinking, they'd be....TNA (or worse), yes? Your opinion flies in the face of the fact that the man sells merchandise better than anyone in the company (makes money, which is the point of WWE), drives PPV buys (even if people only buy to see him get his ass kicked, they still buy), and fosters immense amounts of goodwill outside the industry. He makes more non-wrestling appearances for the company in a year than anyone else on the roster has done in their career (probably combined). I don't know if you're aware of this, but you don't have to be a good (or even 'decent') wrestler to succeed in WWE. So yes, he has a lot of value to the company, as a wrestler. I may not care for him, but I'm not going to make statements like the above, knowing that they're false.

Fair enough. I thought Rock was selling Cena's offense but maybe they were just hiding his ring rust. Either way I enjoyed it because I didn't expect Cena to dominate Rock so much.

Rock has always been good at selling (some might say 'overselling') opponents' offense. The example often used is how he sells Stone Cold's Stunner. Makes it seem like he got shot with a high caliber firearm.

What surprised me was how the smarks got audio time with the possible Brock appearance, with the "We want Lesnar" chants. I thought WWE fans don't read dirt sheets? I'm actually glad D-Bry got squashed at WM. Makes him a sympathetic figure, which will mean people care. Good to have workers who can really work (and not just the stale WWE style, but all styles) at the top of the card. Though I'm not optimistic about the year of Miz-ery that's probably on the horizon.

[juggaloninjalee]

What surprised me was how the smarks got audio time with the possible Brock appearance, with the "We want Lesnar" chants. I thought WWE fans don't read dirt sheets? I'm actually glad D-Bry got squashed at WM. Makes him a sympathetic figure, which will mean people care. Good to have workers who can really work (and not just the stale WWE style, but all styles) at the top of the card. Though I'm not optimistic about the year of Miz-ery that's probably on the horizon.

Bob Backlund didn't get any sympathy when he lost to Nash in what 7 seconds.

Chavo didn't get sympathy when he lost to Kane in 8 seconds at Mania.

Daniel Bryan is just well liked. I think he has charisma, microphone skills, and a star quality all of which are very underrated for him. My fiance hates wrestling but has always liked Daniel Bryan.

[Hive]

I wasn't exactly overwhelmed by WrestleMania, to be honest.

Sheamus vs. Daniel Byan - I expected Sheamus to win, but I also expected that they'd actually let us see a damn match between those two after what happened last year. I fear that this match has damaged Sheamus' position as a top face more than establishing it, as a great deal of the fans now seems to boo him because of it. Both Bryan and Sheamus deserves better, but it was at least the right result.

Randy Orton vs. Kane - This is the result that surprised me the most. How could they *not* have Orton win this one? Their second-biggest face (or maybe third now that Punk is so hot) and they have him job to an over-the-hill veteran for no apparant reason at the biggest event of the year? Kane doesn't gain anything from this at this point of his career, it only hurts Orton. Weird.

Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show - I expected Show to win so Rhodes can go on to feud with Sheamus, so not much to say here. Decent but unspectacular match that got the job done.

The divas match - Couldn't care less, to be honest. And given that they had a faux-celebrity in it, the result was given in advance as well. Did bring a nice opportunity for a bathroom break though.

The Undertaker vs. Triple H - I know lots of people loved both this and their last match, but the matchup just really doesn't do much for me. The match in itself was pretty good, certainly above average. But like last year, I just couldn't get involved in it... perhaps even moreso this year, actually, as it was obvious that if Triple H didn't win last year, he wouldn't win this year either. The match never really left you doubting, and I feel that Shawn Michael's involvement was a bit tacked on didn't do much for the matchup. But, of course, constantly thinking "dammit, this should have been The Undertaker vs. Sting II instead!" didn't help much. I did like it more than what they did last year, however. I just think they should have done this last year instead, and not have repeated it. Also: say what you want about Hogan, but he's a legend who does not deserve to see Triple H no-selling his finisher being used on him. Distasteful when wrestlers crap on other wrestlers' finishers like this.

Team Teddy vs. Team Johnny - Decent multi-man match that I had expected earlier on the card (and as an elimination match). I thought Teddy would edge out the win, but couldn't care less overall. The Miz deserved the pin though and his team had overall much more star power and should logically win it.

CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho - An above average match, but it left me with a taste of "this could and should have been better" given who was involved. Maybe I just expected too much from a match with these two guys, but that's a testament to my view of their skills more than criticism.

John Cena vs. The Rock - Easily the match of the night for me. Did it showcase the best fluent technical chain wrestling of the night? Not by a long shot. But they told a story like few others can and it was an epic moment that reminded me of the match beetween Cena and Punk last year and Hogan vs. The Rock that time in Canada.

About last night's RAW... am I the only one who does *not* find it funny or cool that a group of "smarks" ruins the surprise for casual fans by insisting on doing stuff like chanting Brock Lesnar's name before he's "surprise" debuting? They're obviously only doing it to 1) piss off Cena and 2) show the world that they're soooo awesome and in the know because they read dirt sheets before a show. :rolleyes:

[djthefunkchris]

I understand all your points Hive, but I disagree with one of them. It's all opinion, so it's not that you can be wrong, but let me get this one off my chest, as it's a direct opposite opinion using the exact same logic.

Randy Orton vs. Kane - This is the result that surprised me the most. How could they *not* have Orton win this one? Their second-biggest face (or maybe third now that Punk is so hot) and they have him job to an over-the-hill veteran for no apparant reason at the biggest event of the year? Kane doesn't gain anything from this at this point of his career, it only hurts Orton. Weird.

The bold part is where my opinion lies. At this point in his career, Kane has been known to be able to beat anyone at anytime, and we all know he's willing to lose to anyone at anytime.

To me, someone in his "area", sort of the same area Undertaker is in, or HHH, and various others... Losing to these people doesn't really hurt anyone, especially Orton at this point. He's still very young in comparison, and if he chooses has a good career ahead of him.

In other words, because of the status of Kane, I don't think Orton losing to him actually hurts him at all either. Especially with his current gimmick about making his weakness his strength... I figure he will go after Kane and win after this. I really don't think it hurts him at all.

Pluss, I think Glen Jacobs deserves a really good push before he hangs up his boots. This has nothing to do about your opinion, as I'm sure you probably feel the same way. I've heard nothing but good things about him, and seen him put over so many people over the last few years, that I wouldn't mind him going on an incredible winning streak that lands him with a major title before he retires...

OR, I wouldn't mind him filling in the shoe's of Undertaker, as Undertaker hangs up his boots for good.

[djthefunkchris]

I'd like to point out something else..

Unless someone needs a "help" just to get to the ring, or doesn't seem to be able to move very well at all, I don't think most people look at age like we tend to here. I don't mean they can't see Hogan and Flair is really too old to be in the ring anymore, but people like Kane, Triple H, and other's "almost" to that point, really are just seen for who they are currently, not as old guys that make young guys look bad by beating them.

Sure, if you make someone sound like they are old and crippled, and explain that this young guy in top physical condition has lost to them, it doesn't sound right, good, or whatever.... However, if you explain that this Old Veteran of the ring, who knows what he is doing, is going up against this young guy who is starting to come into his own... Then it's up in the air who is going to win. I just think this is how people in general view it, far as wrestling goes...

That and the fact everyone knows it's fake, so it's not like it actually hurts anyone at all, win/lose/draw. It's all about their "character" and how many people want to see that character.

[Hive]

I understand all your points Hive, but I disagree with one of them. It's all opinion, so it's not that you can be wrong, but let me get this one off my chest, as it's a direct opposite opinion using the exact same logic.

Wait, what... you're offering a calm counter-response that does not bash my opinions in any way? That's a new for internet discussions. But rather refreshing. :D

The bold part is where my opinion lies. At this point in his career, Kane has been known to be able to beat anyone at anytime, and we all know he's willing to lose to anyone at anytime.

To me, someone in his "area", sort of the same area Undertaker is in, or HHH, and various others... Losing to these people doesn't really hurt anyone, especially Orton at this point. He's still very young in comparison, and if he chooses has a good career ahead of him.

I definately see your point, except that Kane's career is winding down and Orton is still young and will in all likelyhood by one of the very top dogs of WWE for many years to come. Had this been on any other PPV, I wouldn't have said much about it - but this is WrestleMania. This is the one time per year when WWE catches a much broader viewership than their usual suspect fans, due to it's status and celebrity involvement. So in my opinion, it should be used to promote their franchise players in the eyes of the mainstream casual viewers. Guys such as Orton, Sheamus and Cena (though one could argue that Cena doesn't need it anymore). And that's why I feel that Orton shouldn't be losing to a veteran who doesn't need the rub in an undercard match.

In other words, because of the status of Kane, I don't think Orton losing to him actually hurts him at all either. Especially with his current gimmick about making his weakness his strength... I figure he will go after Kane and win after this. I really don't think it hurts him at all.

I agree that Orton won't lose much in regards to WWE's loyal fanbase, I just feel they missed promoting him to people outside that base. But yes, I'm sure he'll eventually come out victorious in this feud.

Pluss, I think Glen Jacobs deserves a really good push before he hangs up his boots. This has nothing to do about your opinion, as I'm sure you probably feel the same way. I've heard nothing but good things about him, and seen him put over so many people over the last few years, that I wouldn't mind him going on an incredible winning streak that lands him with a major title before he retires...

He got a run with the title last year though, which I saw exactly as a such. But yeah, even though I've never cared much for the Kane character, I agree that Glen Jacobs as a person sounds very likeable. And for a guy his size, he's not at all bad in the ring (though he's no Vader or Bam Bam, but that's another story of course). But I just never cared much for neither him nor his "brother" (as characters only, they both sounds awesome behind the scenes and usually deliver in matches). Either way: I'm not opposed to Kane looking strong and getting a good run, I'm just puzzled as to the timing.

OR, I wouldn't mind him filling in the shoe's of Undertaker, as Undertaker hangs up his boots for good.

I personally don't think anyone can properly fill his boots, to be honest. Not with the status he has obtained over the years. Besides, how many years does Kane have left himself...?

[djthefunkchris]

Yeah, I figured you would come up with something that I would understand and get. I see all your points now.

[Hive]

Yeah, I figured you would come up with something that I would understand and get. I see all your points now.

Cool. :)

To me, it would just have made more sense if Orton won this match and then Kane won the rematch at Extreme Rules. But oh well.

[djthefunkchris]

Cool. :)

To me, it would just have made more sense if Orton won this match and then Kane won the rematch at Extreme Rules. But oh well.

/nod. I knew there was something I wasn't seeing, as all points seemed valid except that one, to me.

The reasoning of it being such a huge event (I think they broke the record with this one, although I have no idea what the buy rate was like yet), to use it to enhance their future is something I can get behind.

[The Informant]

Honeslty I disagree on Randy. He's had almost exactly as much time as a "top guy" as Cena has had. He's even recently had jesus pushes as both a heel "Legacy" and as a face The Viper. Heck wasn't it last year he was Stone Cold Randy Orton. As a matter of fact didn't he face CM Punk and beat him last year at Wrestlemania. Randy has had as much time in the spotlight as anyone. Multiple time world champion, multiple Wrestlemania's, etc.

The very fact that Randy was facing Kane was a joke. This Wrestlemania was odd there was virtually no interesting build up for any but the three big matches. Randy has had several odd match ups at Wrestlemania but none the less he's been there.

Randy to me just never does it, he pops the crowd but he's never gotten to the level he should be at. The guy is a third generation superstar, good looking guy, still youngish.

I agree that wrestling fans are obsessed about age for some reason. Always have been. I'd like to point out Ric Flair was Triple H's age when he beat VADER for the title. How many people complained then that he was too old and should be passing the torch to the younger guys? Hogan was passed HHH's age when he started doing Hollywood Hogan and that turned in CRAZY huge business for them. Hall and Nash were 37 and 38 when they started the nWo. Chris Jericho was 42 when he wrestled CM Punk last night and he's only a year younger than Triple H. My point is I could go on and on forever. As long as these guys can go out there and do what they do every night and lets face it these guys are better athletes in their 40's than most people are in their 20's. Age shouldn't be an issue. Pro Wrestling operates under such micro time lines. Think about it the original Hulkamania lasted essentially from WM1-6. Thats roughly a six year time period. The nWo was hot for about 2 years. The attitude was hot for roughly what five years? The things that spark and get wrestling going hot only last for a couple of years. If a guy is 42 and he gets white hot for three years he's still only 45. And as I just pointed out three years is an eternity in the wrestling world. Wrestlemania III had 90,000 fans (kayfabe) Wrestlemania VII was forced to move locations because it wasn't seeling. So four Wrestlemania's later they can't put half that many people in the arena. Time moves very quickly in pro wrestling and so therefore if the guys are a bit older whats it matter as long as they can stick around and be healthy for a good three to four years tops then I'm all for it.

[SaySo]

Daniel Bryan post Raw last night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nNhTzUNr9jM).

[Hive]

Daniel Bryan post Raw last night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nNhTzUNr9jM).

Insanity. I keep getting suprised at just how much over he is. Have Cena lead a heel stable with him and Punk and they won't experience any merc sale decrease from Cena's turn.

[shawn michaels 82]

I hear rumours of an HBK vs. HHH match next year. Say it ain't so!

[djthefunkchris]

Insanity. I keep getting suprised at just how much over he is. Have Cena lead a heel stable with him and Punk and they won't experience any merc sale decrease from Cena's turn.

The fact that Cena acknowledged it on Raw was pretty cool as well. I didn't think he would, but only because of the character issue's... Cena being face, Bryan being a heel. But he did, and that was pretty great, I thought at least.

[djthefunkchris]

I hear rumours of an HBK vs. HHH match next year. Say it ain't so!

Loser has to go against Undertaker again, lol.

[Hive]

I hear rumours of an HBK vs. HHH match next year. Say it ain't so!

It isn't so.

[shawn michaels 82]

It isn't so.

Thank God!

[djthefunkchris]

Thank God!

You don't want to see Shawn Michaels in ONE more match? I have to admit, that I wouldn't mind seeing one more match for Shawn.

[djthefunkchris]

Honeslty I disagree on Randy. He's had almost exactly as much time as a "top guy" as Cena has had. He's even recently had jesus pushes as both a heel "Legacy" and as a face The Viper. Heck wasn't it last year he was Stone Cold Randy Orton. As a matter of fact didn't he face CM Punk and beat him last year at Wrestlemania. Randy has had as much time in the spotlight as anyone. Multiple time world champion, multiple Wrestlemania's, etc.

The very fact that Randy was facing Kane was a joke. This Wrestlemania was odd there was virtually no interesting build up for any but the three big matches. Randy has had several odd match ups at Wrestlemania but none the less he's been there.

Randy to me just never does it, he pops the crowd but he's never gotten to the level he should be at. The guy is a third generation superstar, good looking guy, still youngish.

I agree that wrestling fans are obsessed about age for some reason. Always have been. I'd like to point out Ric Flair was Triple H's age when he beat VADER for the title. How many people complained then that he was too old and should be passing the torch to the younger guys? Hogan was passed HHH's age when he started doing Hollywood Hogan and that turned in CRAZY huge business for them. Hall and Nash were 37 and 38 when they started the nWo. Chris Jericho was 42 when he wrestled CM Punk last night and he's only a year younger than Triple H. My point is I could go on and on forever. As long as these guys can go out there and do what they do every night and lets face it these guys are better athletes in their 40's than most people are in their 20's. Age shouldn't be an issue. Pro Wrestling operates under such micro time lines. Think about it the original Hulkamania lasted essentially from WM1-6. Thats roughly a six year time period. The nWo was hot for about 2 years. The attitude was hot for roughly what five years? The things that spark and get wrestling going hot only last for a couple of years. If a guy is 42 and he gets white hot for three years he's still only 45. And as I just pointed out three years is an eternity in the wrestling world. Wrestlemania III had 90,000 fans (kayfabe) Wrestlemania VII was forced to move locations because it wasn't seeling. So four Wrestlemania's later they can't put half that many people in the arena. Time moves very quickly in pro wrestling and so therefore if the guys are a bit older whats it matter as long as they can stick around and be healthy for a good three to four years tops then I'm all for it.

I think (meaning I'm not sure) it has something to do with the overall thought process with the "smark" type network. To me "smarks" have always been alot more "Marky" then "Smarky"... if that makes sense. It's like they "try" to look at it as if it was "real", and think that other people not in their clique think it is real. Not everyone, and I don't even think it's on purpose... I don't know how to explain it, but it's like you think about how it would look to a 10 year old or something similar.

Most people that don't know the inside and outside of wrestling, if they don't know anything else about the bussiness at all, they know it's fake. Has been, always will be, has been known for almost 100 years. The whole issue about "Vince" being the one to ruin it for everyone or whatever is just foolish to me. Before I even knew who WWWF was, I knew wrestling was fake. My grandfather, my father, everyone told me. Didn't stop me from making a fake ring outside and acting out the roles though... fact probably encouraged me. The only thing letting "Kafabe" die did, was admit that everyone else knows it's fake.

Lots of people don't even believe half the "true" injuries....

Don't get me wrong... I'm sure I can go around the neighborhood here and find someone that thinks wrestling is real, but it's no more or less then it ever was before. It's just now people in the business can talk about it as well now.... Really the only difference I've ever seen.

Anyways, that's what I think happens... "How does this look to someone that believes this is real? What are they doing?" Then they tend to forget that a 5'0" person beating a 7 footer is totally unbelievable, yet try to make it happen... So I can't really explain it, lol.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I definately see your point, except that Kane's career is winding down and Orton is still young and will in all likelyhood by one of the very top dogs of WWE for many years to come. Had this been on any other PPV, I wouldn't have said much about it - but this is WrestleMania. This is the one time per year when WWE catches a much broader viewership than their usual suspect fans, due to it's status and celebrity involvement. So in my opinion, it should be used to promote their franchise players in the eyes of the mainstream casual viewers. Guys such as Orton, Sheamus and Cena (though one could argue that Cena doesn't need it anymore). And that's why I feel that Orton shouldn't be losing to a veteran who doesn't need the rub in an undercard match.



I agree that Orton won't lose much in regards to WWE's loyal fanbase, I just feel they missed promoting him to people outside that base. But yes, I'm sure he'll eventually come out victorious in this feud.


Missed opportunities... more like a nickel falling out of your wallet.

Orton has won at the past two WrestleManias. He's a staple of the product, he's made. They haven't missed an opportunity at all as you make it seem - sure he's younger, but both Kane and Orton, on paper, are just that: veterans. Heavy amount of exposure with both the older and younger crowd. Neither of them are gonna be hurtin' for a win, nor should there be much split milk over the decision(IMHO).

If anything, a good portion of that "outside base" are defunct fans who used to think the world of Kane with his mask on(nostalgia filter...), and what better timing than to show Kane - with his mask on - tearing the house down.


The very fact that Randy was facing Kane was a joke. This Wrestlemania was odd there was virtually no interesting build up for any but the three big matches. Randy has had several odd match ups at Wrestlemania but none the less he's been there.

There's always that one match at WrestleMania featuring two relatively big stars but minimal buildup. But this year was completely justified, the top two matches admittedly needed hefty amount of exposure and hype. Those two matches basically sold the event, and then behind THAT... you had the World title matches. Even if Orton and Kane spent the last five weeks brawling all over the locker-rooms and backstage areas, the priority order would've remained the same.

Orton has been paving the way for guys like Barrett, Ziggler and Rhodes all year, the last thing I would've wanted was for him to face yet another up-and-comer at Mania. Kane's position is so malleable within the roster, I thought he was a great opponent for Orton.

[Teh_Showtime]

It seems like people are forgetting WWE had to shift dramatically after Wade got hurt. So OFC the non 3 main event matches weren't built up efficiently (aside from Show/Cody)

[The Final Countdown]

It seems like people are forgetting WWE had to shift dramatically after Wade got hurt. So OFC the non 3 main event matches weren't built up efficiently (aside from Show/Cody)
I wonder what the original plan was if Wade hadn't gotten hurt? Wade vs. Orton?

[Teh_Showtime]

Rumors say he was to win MITB at mania but i don't buy it.

Likely Wade and Orton again

[Target Practice]

Is it just me, or is there a bit of a shortage of upper-card faces in the WWE right now? I'm thinking Sheamus, Cena, Punk and Orton right now, assuming Rocky doesn't actually stick around. After that, you've got... well, Santino and Kofi Kingston. Maybe Show as well, depending on how you define 'upper' card. Whereas viable upper-card heels you've got Jericho, Del Rio, Henry, Christian, Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Daniel Bryan, possibly Kane and Cody Rhodes too, and now Brock Lesnar as well. Not to mention Wade Barrett whenever he comes back from injury.

What would you do, turn a couple to face, or would you form a few into a stable? There does seem to be a distinct lack of stables at the moment. Wrestling doesn't feel right without a good heel stable. :D

[Tha Black Phenom]

It's been that way for years. IF you were to try to add on the list of upper-card faces, you'd have Zack Ryder, R-Truth.. that's it. It's why I thought Sheamus would be the breakthrough babyface this year but it hasn't looked promising so far, and I wouldn't even be surprised if they did a switcheroo on their feud, have Bryan turn face and Sheamus back to heel.

Then, you have Lesnar into the mix.. no idea if they're gonna do another face vs. face duel or just have Lesnar as a popular heel.

So alternatively, they can do things like turn Miz, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger or Del Rio face(just noted the guys I thought have run their course the most). No way they can house all these heels and keep them relevant, one of them will have to switch.

[soxfan93]

I wonder what the original plan was if Wade hadn't gotten hurt? Wade vs. Orton?

Rumors say he was to win MITB at mania but i don't buy it.

Likely Wade and Orton again

Wade was supposed to win MITB, and Orton was supposed to face Alberto Del Rio.

[Jaysin]

I still think Del Rio would make a great face and he's pretty stale right now so a turn might do him some good.

[Moe Hunter]

Wade was supposed to win MITB, and Orton was supposed to face Alberto Del Rio.

They already started the GM vs GM storyline before Wade got injured. No way were they going to have that as well as a MitB.

[bigtplaystew]

Wade was supposed to win MITB, and Orton was supposed to face Alberto Del Rio.

He works for WWE booking so HE KNOWS!



I have one word to sum up my feelings on Lord Tensai:

Why?

[Huntman]

I have one word to sum up my feelings on Lord Tensai:

Why?

Because he's awesome.

[Jaysin]

Randomly noticed how different wwe.com is from the last time I actually went to their site(it's been a long time) and I stumbled on this.

Greg Valentine has a comically large head. He looks like he belongs in a cartoon.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/VenomousPrime/gregvalentine_1_full.png

[juggaloninjalee]

Don't forget about Rey Mysterio guys. He is an upper card guy. I think Lesnar could be a face on some nights as well depending who he is up against.

[jjohns44]

I can stand the 'YES' chants as a potential replacement for 'WHAT?!' and along with the random Daniel Bryan chants here and there, even if he's not involved in a segment or match.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Apparently there were "YES" chants during the Miami Heat game tonight. Weeeeell doooone, DBD.

Edit - At the Impact tapings too. Beautiful

[Zeel1]

Miami sure loves D-Bryan~

Yeah, I kinda like the "YES!" chants. Bryan's constant "YES!"es have grown on me. Loved seeing them in the comments on a youtube video regarding ride of the valkyries, for example... :p

[djthefunkchris]

Randomly noticed how different wwe.com is from the last time I actually went to their site(it's been a long time) and I stumbled on this.

Greg Valentine has a comically large head. He looks like he belongs in a cartoon.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/VenomousPrime/gregvalentine_1_full.png
He's leaned forward, making his head look bigger then his body... Here's a somewhat reverse position making his head look smaller.

http://prowrestlingarchives.com/gregvalentine13.jpg

You can google and find pic's with him looking normal easily as well.

But yeah, that pic in itself is all kinds of awesome.

[Wrestling Century]

I loved WrestleMania, IMO it was the best WM they have had in the past 5 years. With so much awesomeness happening on RAW last night (Brock returning, Lord Tensai debuting ect.) I feel that one part of the show was overlooked: Dolph Ziggler's huge bump from Brodus Clay bumping into him. I winced when I saw that bump.

[alden]

So cena gets the wrestler turned actor.....now he gets the wrestler turned failed football player.....then mma fighter......its going to be the same thing as the rock. he stuck around when the other guy did not......The rock is just being replaced by brock.....just add a b to the name lol.

[ChrisKid]

what i loved on RAW was when Cena said "will this finally be the day where i lash out at the WWE universe" and the crowd started a "YES!" chant

[unicron]

I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens to the crowds over the next few shows.

To me (and several others it seems) RAW on Monday was made by the fans in attendance. They were vocal and involved in the product in a way that younger fans and their uninterested parents can never be. Sadly, I get the distinct impression that Wrestlemania was the reason. Smart marks at 'mania, smart marks at the RAW afterwards and perhaps on Smackdown! too but after that...?

Does anyone else feel like the D-Bry love, the cheeky chants from informed fans and perhaps the level of passion and audience participation may drop along with the average age of the fans in the coming weeks?

[Basmat01]

I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens to the crowds over the next few shows.

To me (and several others it seems) RAW on Monday was made by the fans in attendance. They were vocal and involved in the product in a way that younger fans and their uninterested parents can never be. Sadly, I get the distinct impression that Wrestlemania was the reason. Smart marks at 'mania, smart marks at the RAW afterwards and perhaps on Smackdown! too but after that...?

Does anyone else feel like the D-Bry love, the cheeky chants from informed fans and perhaps the level of passion and audience participation may drop along with the average age of the fans in the coming weeks?

from what i saw a few in the crowd were to same people that were at mania.

[Hive]

Does anyone else feel like the D-Bry love, the cheeky chants from informed fans and perhaps the level of passion and audience participation may drop along with the average age of the fans in the coming weeks?

I sincerely hope it does drop.

[Target Practice]

I'm with Hive on this one. I tune it to watch Wrestling, not listen to which wrestlers smarks like. I don't have a problem with audience participation at all, and without it there's no doubt Wrestling wouldn't be the spectacle it is. However, RAW became a bit of a joke on Monday with all the chants for Daniel Bryan throughout the show.
We get it, you like Daniel Bryan. He probably got a bit shafted at 'Mania. There are lots of other wrestlers out there, now shut up and watch the show, and let me watch the show without having to see every other promo interrupted by you.
(This is a collective 'you', not aimed at anyone. :p)

[milamber]

Randy Orton vs. Kane - This is the result that surprised me the most. How could they *not* have Orton win this one? Their second-biggest face (or maybe third now that Punk is so hot) and they have him job to an over-the-hill veteran for no apparant reason at the biggest event of the year? Kane doesn't gain anything from this at this point of his career, it only hurts Orton. Weird.

The way I see it Orton won't suffer for the loss. If they build Kane's momentum up (necessary after his loss to Cena) they can eventually job him to an up-and-coming midcarder who will benefit greatly. Can't think who it would be, though.

And yes, they need to turn Miz and send him to SD where he won't be lost in the shuffle. He can still be cocky and aggressive, but get the crowd behind his attempt to rise back to the top. And he's proven to be a good ambassador for WWE doing TV interview spots and the like.

[Target Practice]

And yes, they need to turn Miz and send him to SD where he won't be lost in the shuffle. He can still be cocky and aggressive, but get the crowd behind his attempt to rise back to the top. And he's proven to be a good ambassador for WWE doing TV interview spots and the like.


This. I really like Miz, he's a good worker, and he's got a good look to him, which would likely translate well to merch sales. I'd actually like to see him feud with someone like Cody Rhodes, who I think he could do good work with. Alternatively, if Kane somehow manages to get back some of the masses and masses of heat he lost to Cena (seriously, what an absolutely awful feud that was) in the Orton feud, Miz/Kane could possibly be interesting.

[crownsy]

I think almost every match opened with Daniel Bryan chants

Just got home from Miami, got the chance to go to my first mania!

some random thoughts:

And the "YES!YES!YES!" chants were going on an hour before the event, and continued all night. I was not expecting that D-bry would be so over with the mania crowd. Hell you could get that chant going all night and in the parking lot after.

Felt bad for shemus a bit...we were not happy with the booking live, and there was about 50% booing the quick squash...I don't mind the move as long as bryan keeps getting a chance to evolve his heel character but watching that live it really let the air out of a hot crowd.

Orton/Kane suffered from that too, we were dead for the first 5-8 minutes of that match just going "really?" about the opening match...I liked the shock finish though. we were all expecting a randy victory there i think.

Show/cody? awful booking...two big men matches back to back?

Also i hated the booking in this match...you just had cody hold the IC title for 8 months and actually make it worth a damn again and then you put him in a match where big show murders him in 8 minutes.

the message to the viewer is "yea, cody had a good run but now he has to face a real threat...and he isn't up to it"

I would have preferred some sort of DQ ending letting show get a "feel good" moment but keeping the title on Cody.

The hell was beth wearing on her head?

Starting with Eve's awful grapevine hug, this show shall be remembered as hugamania. between eve hugging it out with maria, the bro hugs at the end of an era match, and cena hugging rock in an awful bear hug TWICE to hide rocks awful cardio, hugging was huge this year.

The end of an era match was amazing live. Loved the interactions between all three guys. amazing crowd for it live as well.

Half the crowd, including me, bought into the SCH into the pedigree finish...I was like "no! they got the old man!!"

taker putting his foot down on the sledge hammer was awesome as was hunter's defiant crotch chop before the end.

the chair shots to takers back were brutal...i mean we were inthe 400 level and you could here the smack...hunters chair shots were the only ones that rose to that level.

Jericho punk was kind of odd...i think we as a crowd were ready to explode when punk got his hands on jericho...and then they kinda slow built for a minute or two, then did the "i'll try to get him DQ'd angle!!" which was ok but no one bought that as a finish.

great crazy eyes by Y2J when he asked about punks family...loved it.

With the above said, the last 15-10 minutes of that match were great especially the finish...loved that they chain wrestled into a submission and love that punk took the old school liontamer

Honestly i went shirt shopping during team johnny vs team teddy. from what i heard when i got back i didn't miss much.

felt bad for both MGK and flo rida. Both finished there sets looking for cheers and got boo's. MGK the worst because we were gearing up for cena but flo got it too because we just wanted it to be over and get to the match.

Awesome energy live for both entrances and actually a much better match than i thought it would be...the AA off the spit punch really popped the crowd and got us into it.

Crazy reaction for rock winning, which i didn't forsee as some here apparently did. I thought for sure Cena would pull it out since Rock is leaving.

Must have been cool for bryan to hear "YES! YES! YES!" chants after Rock won ;)

[djthefunkchris]

I guess the chants are going to die down now. Shame, would have loved this to continue for weeks.

[Astil]

I guess the chants are going to die down now. Shame, would have loved this to continue for weeks.

Why is that?

[Arrows]

I guess the chants are going to die down now. Shame, would have loved this to continue for weeks.

A YES! YES! YES! chant broke out during a Miami heat game. The same happened a while back at an ROH iPPV. WWE's travel schedule leads them to VA/Greensboro (FINALLY), indy crowd here in Greensboro who haven't had RAW in forever? Could be loud.

[Nathers7]

I can't see the YES chant ending for a while especially after Cena acknowledged it in the final segment of Raw and after it went on all night at Mania.

[djthefunkchris]

Semi-Spoiler... dealing with "Yes" chants.
A YES! YES! YES! chant broke out during a Miami heat game. The same happened a while back at an ROH iPPV. WWE's travel schedule leads them to VA/Greensboro (FINALLY), indy crowd here in Greensboro who haven't had RAW in forever? Could be loud.
It also broke out during a TNA taping.
I can't see the YES chant ending for a while especially after Cena acknowledged it in the final segment of Raw and after it went on all night at Mania.
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but...
Why is that?
During Nxt, and Smackdown tapings, it has supposedly died down.

Now... I'm hoping every time he is on it comes back though, like during Raw. Just kind of disappointing it didn't carry on to the other programming.

[Astil]

Semi-Spoiler... dealing with "Yes" chants.

It also broke out during a TNA taping.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but...

During Nxt, and Smackdown tapings, it has supposedly died down.

Now... I'm hoping every time he is on it comes back though, like during Raw. Just kind of disappointing it didn't carry on to the other programming.

That's not what I heard. I heard during his promo it was pretty loud. Thing is SD is taped so they'll probably edit it out, but the crowd cheered him even though he heeled it up, called AJ fat and dumped her. It may not be for 2-3 hours anymore, but whenever he's on screen it'll likely continue, which'll mean they have to keep his push going, or risk losing a huge opportunity

[djthefunkchris]

I'm thinking no matter what, he will get the "Yes" chants every time he does a promo or appears. I just wanted it to carry over everyone else, for a good while. I think Raw had chants of either "yes" or "Daniel Bryan" the whole show, no matter who come out, outside of the HS chant when Lesnar come out... but right back after he left.

I was hoping for that kind of thing to keep going. It would be incredible.

Also, are you sure your not talking about the promo he gave after Raw went off air? They had a six man tag match after Raw went off air, and Sheamus was boo'd while DB was cheered, the whole time, then he addressed the crowd about (There is a link in the thread of it).

[Astil]

I'm thinking no matter what, he will get the "Yes" chants every time he does a promo or appears. I just wanted it to carry over everyone else, for a good while. I think Raw had chants of either "yes" or "Daniel Bryan" the whole show, no matter who come out, outside of the HS chant when Lesnar come out... but right back after he left.

I was hoping for that kind of thing to keep going. It would be incredible.

Also, are you sure your not talking about the promo he gave after Raw went off air? They had a six man tag match after Raw went off air, and Sheamus was boo'd while DB was cheered, the whole time, then he addressed the crowd about (There is a link in the thread of it).

Nope. Smackdown taping.

Also remember the post-Wrestlemania RAW is always a bit ... odd as its usually filled with more hardcore fans who stuck around after Wrestlemania.

[djthefunkchris]

Nope. Smackdown taping.

Also remember the post-Wrestlemania RAW is always a bit ... odd as its usually filled with more hardcore fans who stuck around after Wrestlemania.

/nod... I'm just worried that it might pass over, without doing what it needs to do (shake things up, as Vince would say).

The "Yes" chants is a direct outcry about poor booking of Daniel Bryan, and it could work.

The thing is, I'm afraid WWE might misread the potential here... I understand that he is still being sold as a heel, and I believe that's exactly how they need to leave him, using this momentum as a way to make him even more devious, etc... Could make him the best heel they've had in a decade if done well enough.

Or: They could misread this popularity boost as him needing a "Face" turn... Which could be ok as well if they do it right, and keep him edgy more then "good" in a way.

Overall, I'm just scared nothing it going to become of it at all, and they will go on with their plans from six months ago.

[Astil]

/nod... I'm just worried that it might pass over, without doing what it needs to do (shake things up, as Vince would say).

The "Yes" chants is a direct outcry about poor booking of Daniel Bryan, and it could work.

The thing is, I'm afraid WWE might misread the potential here... I understand that he is still being sold as a heel, and I believe that's exactly how they need to leave him, using this momentum as a way to make him even more devious, etc... Could make him the best heel they've had in a decade if done well enough.

Or: They could misread this popularity boost as him needing a "Face" turn... Which could be ok as well if they do it right, and keep him edgy more then "good" in a way.

Overall, I'm just scared nothing it going to become of it at all, and they will go on with their plans from six months ago.

From what I read he's reacting as if the fans are mocking him in keyfabe, which keeps him heel, acknowledges the chats and allows them to continue.

[juggaloninjalee]

If that is how it is going to play out Astil then I will be happy. He is really under rated I feel on the mic and in most (TEW termes) entertainment skills.

[The Final Countdown]

If that's the plan, I think it's perfect.