The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[Hyde Hill]

Another good to decent Impact last night. Seems that slowly but surely things are getting into shape. Too bad they will have to keep that up for a very very long time before they win back the lost momentum and make people forget the stupid stuff. Only minor in my eyes was Flair being way way way too long winded and him admonishing AJ. AJ should "outgrow" Flair not the other way around imho. Oh yeah and Rosey, wtf another crappy 3D student.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/04/bskyb-buys-virgin-media-channels

Wonder what this means for TNA? Bravo are now under the same umbrella as Sky Sports. May not mean anything at all.

[Hyde Hill]

Depends on the type of contract WWE has with Sky, but as one is pay view and Bravo less so I think it would/should not be a problem. In the very least it won't be a problem as long as TNA's contract with Bravo still runs, which I believe they renegotiated not long ago. One of the reasons why ppv's where dropped there as they could not reach an agreement.

[GDE71]

Didn't have a problem with Rosey. They put her over as dangerous(her putting Daffney on the disabled list) and she did OK in the ring.

Just wish they hadn't involved her with the champion so soon. However, that's an issue with the booking and not the worker.

[ampulator]

Yeah Behren's is pretty good although he can be over ratings focused and does not take some stuff into account when talking average ratings etc. He generally has a good view on the business.

On this I agree with him in part. Mainly that those nostalgia guys that do not bring in ratings and or merchandise are superfluous and should be looked at to being cut. Sting, Hogan and Foley do bring in fans and sell merch. The Band and Jarrett not so much.

Guys that can still go and are proven draws like RVD and Hardy should not be cut. As it is more TNA's overall fault they are not drawing then theirs.
I hate to say this, Jarrett isn't actually that old. He only LOOKS old. He's actually in good health for a guy his age. But he's not really that old in the first place.

Although I'm not exactly a fan of Jeff Jarett's attitude, he's good to decent in the ring, good to decent on the mic, and he's in good health. The problem for him, of him, is he thinks he's more than he really he is. He's, at best, a transitional main eventer. He's not good enough in the ring to be just that, and he's not good enough of a heel to be "THE HEEL", and he's got little else to fall back on.

[Comradebot]

I hate to say this, Jarrett isn't actually that old. He only LOOKS old. He's actually in good health for a guy his age. But he's not really that old in the first place.

Although I'm not exactly a fan of Jeff Jarett's attitude, he's good to decent in the ring, good to decent on the mic, and he's in good health. The problem for him, of him, is he thinks he's more than he really he is. He's, at best, a transitional main eventer. He's not good enough in the ring to be just that, and he's not good enough of a heel to be "THE HEEL", and he's got little else to fall back on.

This is pretty accurate... though the phrase "in a somewhat smaller company" should be added after "a transitional main eventer". He's a guy who, save WCW's desperation and he having a hand in TNA's creation, would (and probably should) have been a career midcarder. He's entertaining enough on the microphone and in-ring that you don't mind seeing him (indeed, he can be enjoyable), but he's far from the guy you want to see the show focused on.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Some of the most beloved workers of all time were career midcarders who only rarely sniffed the top of the card. I loved the Big Bossman, but we saw what happened when the WWF attempted (after his prime to boot) to push him above the midcard.

[ampulator]

Actually, Jeff Jarrett, I have to say this, CAN be a Main Eventer, just not THE Main Eventer. He can never be THE focus of a promotion. I find it that, when put under intense scrutiny, he ends up looking like a huge fool.

One of Jeff Jarrett's advantage is he can be easily carried.... a, if I may use a TEW reference, a "Johnny Martin", or a for a real life term, a "Lanny Poffo". Some workers, that suck in a ring, can barely be carried to a serviceable match (Khali), some have the same quality in a match despite having a better worker to against (Cena), but there are others, while unable to elevate others, can be easily elevated.

Jeff Jarrett is one of these people. I've seen his matches against more or equally talented workers (Chris Benoit, Lance Storm, Chris Jericho, Ken Shamrock, D'lo Brown, Val Venis, Dean Malenko, etc.), they are often very good. That's why he makes sense as a transitional main eventer, one that jobs to other main eventers, is a good fixture in the upper midcard, and is gatekeeper to the midcard. If you can't have good match with Jeff Jarrett, you aren't ready to rise.

I think Jeff Jarrett has some frustrations about this, he's never going to be THE main eventer, but rather a main eventer that jobs to other main eventers at best.

I actually like Jeff Jarrett, but he's personal ambitions and frustrations have not helped him or anyone else.

[Slagaholic]

Jeff was THE main eventer for the first 4 years of TNA. It was so bad the fans were chanting "DROP THE BELT" at him.

He held everyone else back. It was as if he had a clause in his contract that in 2 months or less the NWA World Championship would be back around his waist.

[Hyde Hill]

Not saying they should fire him given his obvious connections with TNA but I like how atm they seem to be rotating in and out their legends with Foley and Jarrett on the shelf and Hogan, EB and the Band, despite holding the belts, not playing that big a role lately. Now just for Flair to become less long winded. As to his qualities this has been discussed ad nausea before. He is good but not great and he should not have been the only main eventer for so long in TNA in the earlier days. He should have been an ME but not the only one by far.

And yes out of the so called vets he can still really go in the ring but as it comes to vets it is about perception and one of TNA's negative brand perceptions pertains to the high number of vets in prominent places, Jarrett is perceived to be one of those guys.

[Hyde Hill]

BTW who else is hoping for the Guns first, and hopefully long, title reign to come of a win against the Band? They are no1 contenders again.

[sebsplex]

Depends on the type of contract WWE has with Sky, but as one is pay view and Bravo less so I think it would/should not be a problem. In the very least it won't be a problem as long as TNA's contract with Bravo still runs, which I believe they renegotiated not long ago. One of the reasons why ppv's where dropped there as they could not reach an agreement.

I only realised last month that TNA ppv's now air on the Extreme Sports Channel the friday after the event.

[Stennick]

You know what sucks is going into Lockdown Pope was the hottest face in that company and now due to this injury he might not reach the heights he was at in a long time.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I only realised last month that TNA ppv's now air on the Extreme Sports Channel the friday after the event.

Didn't know that myself. Unfortunately I don't get that channel. I hate that about sky, If you put that channel with the sports channels, the sports package should cover that channel, not one of the entertainment packages.:mad:

[Jaysin]

BTW who else is hoping for the Guns first, and hopefully long, title reign to come of a win against the Band? They are no1 contenders again.

I feel like that's going to happen and why they took the belts off Matt Morgan. It didn't make Morgan look bad by him losing to the Guns because well, a pissed off Samoan destroyed him, then the Band capitalized. The Band is obviously not in their prime anymore, but them putting over the Guns could really elevate the Guns stock. If the Guns would have beaten Morgan it would have hurt Morgan. At least that's the way it looks to me.

You know what sucks is going into Lockdown Pope was the hottest face in that company and now due to this injury he might not reach the heights he was at in a long time.

I don't know, I think Pope is gifted enough in the ring and on the mic to get the fans back behind him again. It won't take much. He could smile and the crowd will be on his side.

[Slagaholic]

You know what sucks is going into Lockdown Pope was the hottest face in that company and now due to this injury he might not reach the heights he was at in a long time.

If he comes back and gets immediately involved in a huge angle, he'll be back where he was just before Lockdown.

BTW who else is hoping for the Guns first, and hopefully long, title reign to come of a win against the Band? They are no1 contenders again.

Yeah. I think it took him a bit, but Bischoff has grown to really like MCMG.

I just wish they went through with their original idea of putting LAX back together. I don't like how they've booked Homicide. He's been doing the veteran "make em look good" jobs, but...not Homicide dammit!

[Hyde Hill]

Well cide kinda brought that on himself guaranteeing Bisch and Hogan he could climb out of the cage even though he had never done it and not practising it. Not that the cage match with that particular cage was a good idea to begin with. Ultimate X for a no1 contender would have been a lot smarter move.

[Jaysin]

I just wish they went through with their original idea of putting LAX back together. I don't like how they've booked Homicide. He's been doing the veteran "make em look good" jobs, but...not Homicide dammit!

If Homicide wasn't such a prick backstage maybe they'd follow through with that. He goes and complains every chance he gets.

[Hyde Hill]

0.89 damn. Seems to be the old TNA with the better shows getting the lower ratings. Only 0.2/3 lower on average now.

[GDE71]

0.89 damn. Seems to be the old TNA with the better shows getting the lower ratings. Only 0.2/3 lower on average now.


1st game of Celtics V Lakers. That is tough competition.

However, if it doesn't get back to 0.95 or higher next week that would be worrisome.

[Hyde Hill]

1st game of Celtics V Lakers. That is tough competition.

However, if it doesn't get back to 0.95 or higher next week that would be worrisome.

Aaaah, not being in the US and PWI not bothering to mention that I was worried.

[alden]

yup first game of the nba play offs so yeah that is going to be a huge hit.....but i to be honest i have stoped looking at raitings for tna. They are not going to "beat" wwe any more and to be honest do they need to? They are on tv and that is why matters to me. If they start loosing money then i will worry but as far as raitings go.....as long as they are on tv spike is odviously happy.

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah they are not the be all end all of course, as some internet pundits treat them, but long term and in comparison to other periods they can indicate growth. Still relative to the rest of Spike TNA kicks ass and even relative to other shows for Spike's main target age group they do very well.

[Hyde Hill]

Good news for TNA and Jeff Hardy.

MAJORITY OF CHARGES AGAINST JEFF HARDY DROPPED, ONE CHARGE REMAINS
By Mike Johnson on 2010-06-07 18:37:41 A representative of the Moore County Superior Court confirmed to PWInsider.com earlier today that three of the four charges against TNA star Jeff Hardy were dropped earlier this week by prosecutors.
Hardy had a hearing last week on the morning of 6/3. The Moore County representative confirmed the following charges against Hardy were officially dropped at that hearing -

*Felony drug trafficking, Two felony charges of possession of a Schedule III controlled substance or drug.

*Felony possession of cocaine, Felony maintaining a dwelling for redistribution of controlled substances.

*Misdemeanor Possession of drug paraphernalia.

Those were the charges brought against Hardy when he was arrested following a raid of his North Carolina home in September 2009.

The Moore County Courthouse would not confirm the charges being dropped until today. Last week, they refused comment citing that Superior Court was still in session at the time of the request.

The Moore County representative declined to comment on why the charges were dropped, but suggested PWInsider.com contact the District Attorney's office. That office did not return messages requesting comment left earlier today.

Considering the most serious charges against the former WWE World champion have been dropped, one can assume Hardy's defense was able to provide considerable doubt as to their veracity.

The only currently remaining charge against Hardy at this time, Conspiracy to Traffic Opium, was added by prosecutors in January 2010.

Hardy is next set to go before the court on Tuesday 7/6.

Source PWI

[Hyde Hill]

Some good stuff from EB on the mayhem again:

http://www.mondaynightmayhemarchives.com/june10/060710TheHotSeatWithEricBischoff.mp3

[The Celt]

If Homicide wasn't such a prick backstage maybe they'd follow through with that. He goes and complains every chance he gets.

Homicide has every right to complain. Just a few years back he was part of one of the hottest things in wrestling as part of the LAX, which was genuinely a very over gimmick, so much so the group couldn't be kept face. What has TNA done with him and Hernandez in the mean time? Broke the group up, turned Homicide heel and done absolutely with him and kept Hernandez off screen for ages doing nothing but still on the roster. Basically took all their success away, and Cide doesn't like it, and say it. But more than that, He actually asked for a release and they wouldn't let him go, and that was ages ago and they still haven't done any thing but job him. He's being held against his will in TNA and his career is going nowhere now, which is horrible considering at one point WWE wanted to bring in LAX at one point.

[Stennick]

Found this on another site and thought I'd share it. Its not a "credible" source but its a lot of information and thought it was atleast credible enough to discuss.

News from TNAasylum.com. These guys have been the TNA inside source for some time and just a few weeks ago decided to start their own website.

The X divison right now is the talk backstage. Everyone is trying to figure how to make it more appealing. The wrestlers in ring ability is fine. Problem is when a X Divison match take place the ratings drop. Bischoff, and Russo seen this happen in WCW and WWE with the cruiserweights. Now TNA's dealing with the same problem with the X Divison. Shane Helms will be a big part of the divison. Bischoff wants to use lucha stars, and guys with alot of charisma to spark more interest. Lethal, Kendrick, and Kaz are all in line for a big push within the company. The early idea for Helms is use to pair with Hardy, Neal, and Moore. Another idea is to build him up as a heel when he debuts. The answer will take place at the next set of tapings. Kurt Angle is said to be a huge supporter of Amazing Red. Kurt thinks Red could be the next Rey Mysterio. Red's match with Kurt got rave reviews and may get rewarded for it.

TNA is currently eyeing Extreme Tiger, Aerostar, Laredo Kid, and Alex Koslov. All these workers are AAA stars and AAA owe TNA. TNA is let to cash in on favors owed to them from DGUSA, ROH, or AAA. TNA also has its eye on ROH/indy star Kenny Omega. Omega as of late been currently working NJPW shows. Omega is said to be working without a contract in ROH. Joe, AJ, Williams, and Wolfe all have named guys who could be impact stars in the divison. Both Williams and Wolfe have suggested adding PAC from the UK. TNA Management has kept a close eye on recent NJPW, ROH, DGUSA, and AAA shows. Many in TNA also feel its only a matter of time before Daniels return. Rumor has it Daniels will return late July or early August.

Also a little news about Magnus's return. He was never in hot water with TNA. Magnus was said to have suffered an injury in the UK at an indy show. The early plan for him is to reform The British Invasion. The names that TNA have on the radar are Paul Burchill, DJ Gabriel, and Dave Mastiff a good friend of Magnus. Mastiff was trained at OVW for over a year. He was suggested by Williams and Magnus when TNA decided to disband them. Magnus will likely return and feud with Terry and Helms/Ink Inc.

Los Ben Dejos will sign with TNA according to reports. Also look for tryouts in the coming weeks for several more Team 3D students. Generation Me have alot of people happy with them within TNA. They have been nothing less of model employees since joining TNA.

The Knockout Divison main star will be Mickie James. James is said to excited about the idea of joining TNA. Dixie told James TNA will support and encourage her music career. James is also going to get the Gail Kim treatment in TNA. TNA will take a long hard look at Sara Del Rey. The KO's draw TNA's Impact highest rated segment each week. TNA feels it will be only wise to add more KO's. ODB's currently resting from a blown implant. Hamada, and Sarita will get more ring time if the agents have their way. AL Snow is really behind Taylor Wilde, Sarita, and Hamada. The KO's are safe for now in TNA. Tara, and Kong names have come up alot lately. TNA isn't high on Rosie's in ring ability as a worker but loves her personality. Katie Burchill, and Rayna Von Tosh is said to be of interest to TNA. Roxxi's once again is back in TNA and this time it seems fulltime.

Bischoff is starting to win more people over backstage. Bischoff has even convinced Hogan to stay off the camera more. Bischoff is said to be very high on Joe, Kaz, Kendrick, Angle, Lethal, Wolfe and Morgan. Bischoff wants more wrestling to take place on the show. More tweaks will happen with the show and also at ppvs. Bischoff main goal is to present TNA with an edgy creative look on television. TNA production will have more changes in the coming months. He alway tell people to slow down. He feel its best to always show a more personal side to the wrestlers.

[The Celt]

Good to hear about a renewed effort to work the X Division. The problem that lead to the cruiserweight division being scrapped is both WCW and WWE didn't use it ever to elevate anyone. Why should you believe and support the Crusierweight/X Division Champion when he can't beat anyone outside the division? The Champion needs to be able to knock the crap out of other midcarders as well if the division is to be believed.

Extreme Tiger would be an interesting pick up, he's been groomed for success by Pyschosis, Damien 666 and Halloween down in Mexico for quite some time. Alex Koslov has also been making big waves down in AAA as part of D-Generation Mex, a stable that also include Ricky Reyes and X-Pac. Finally Kenny Omega could be a nice pick-up for TNA. He's quite over in RoH, JAPW and PWG, but RoH have no clue how to book his goofy character and it'd be a solid career move for Omega to head for TV land.

Sara Del Ray is definitely being considered by TNA, I've seen that reported on other sites. She'll be working some TNA house shows soon and that'll give them a chance to witness the centrepiece of SHIMMAR and JAPW's women's division in action. Del Ray would be a magnificent heel for TNA to have, and would definitely stand out against the other Knockout heels of the moment.

Generation Me being model employees doesn't surprise me. They're both good Christian men IRL and I believe the elder one is already married despite being only 25.

[Hyde Hill]

Hmm lotta interesting plans and like the fact that Bisch is gaining more power and Hogan and seemingly Russo less. Like I indicated before Bisch was not the problem, Hogan and Russo writing for Hogan was. Not totally sold on all those names though as adding even more would be crazy at this point and the quality is already there it is just a matter of booking it better. The KO's do need some shoring up though imho and Death Ray, James, Burchill and return of Kong and maybe Flash would be very welcome.

And actually during some of the X matches I saw ratings rise in the quarter hour reports so not totally sure on that.

Ask maskedpropaganda to see if Tucker knows any of this lolz.

Also doesn't CMLL still owe TNA somewhat and now that the working agreement is over can't TNA sign Mistico to an exclusive? Dude would pay for himself via a Mexican tv and ppv deal and merchandise.

[alden]

Lethal is such a good charactor right now.........first macho man......now flair............my god.....is there any guy lethal can't do? I wonder who is going to be next? hogan???????? hall????????? lol i am looking forward to lethal each and every week.

[thatguybayne]

Really disappointing to see the Knockouts didn't even make it on Impact tonight. Only reason I used to watch.

[Stennick]

I think the point is now that he's not "playing" one of these characters. He's doing Flair because of the feud and what not. If you notice he's actually Jay Lethal now and not Black Machismo. Their trying to get him to stop being a joke. After this Flair feud he'll be Jay Lethal.

[juggaloninjalee]

I enjoyed TNA last night. Hogan with Morgan was a bit over the top. However the Sting angles were really good. It is making me want to see the match Sunday.

[Hitman23]

On Dixie's twitter this is what she has put

It's 6:30 am. Been up for hours. So excited I can't sleep. TNA's about to change forever. Can't wait to share it w/you, my staff, the talent

I would say its Helms but he is booked in a show in the Carolina area on Sunday. Could it be going live every week on thursdays? Or maybe a new show?

[Johnny Fenoli]

On Dixie's twitter this is what she has put



I would say its Helms but he is booked in a show in the Carolina area on Sunday. Could it be going live every week on thursdays? Or maybe a new show?

TNA changes forever every month. It's become like the boy that crys wolf.

[Hyde Hill]

Hehe yeah but wrestling and overhype are so uncommon right lolz. Problem is TNA uses social media for it and the E their whole shows. I take TNA if I have to have it. As to who or what it is. Probably the mysterious card dude which will be???? My guess is Dreamer.

Again a good show Bisch has been listening to the survey and has implemented good changes. If they had been like this post Jan 4th with out all the crap TNA would be in a much better spot right now.

[MichiganHero]

Hehe yeah but wrestling and overhype are so uncommon right lolz. Problem is TNA uses social media for it and the E their whole shows. I take TNA if I have to have it. As to who or what it is. Probably the mysterious card dude which will be???? My guess is Dreamer.

Again a good show Bisch has been listening to the survey and has implemented good changes. If they had been like this post Jan 4th with out all the crap TNA would be in a much better spot right now.

I predict another past-it from the Hogan era coming in. So by guessing...TNA is gonna get MACHO. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Hyde Hill]

Hey Ed Leslie hasn't shown up yet and on the semi plus side Nash said he would leave if he did lolz. Nah I expect Dreamer and an ECW we have been overlooked violence faction with Raven, Rhino, Richards and later 3D and maybe RVD.

[Hyde Hill]

Dixie on facetwat:

Just got off phone w/Spike prez Kevin Kay. He is all in and agrees this will change TNA on every level.

Seems I was wrong. It is tv related. My guess live every Thursday or a second show on Tuesday?

[masterded]

Was I the only one who really disliked the Kendrick Homicide match last night (Impact was good though)? It just seemed to be paced quite awkward and the whole matched just seemed sloppy. I am a fan of both and last night was just a very disappointing match.

[GDE71]

Dixie on facetwat:

Just got off phone w/Spike prez Kevin Kay. He is all in and agrees this will change TNA on every level.

Seems I was wrong. It is tv related. My guess live every Thursday or a second show on Tuesday?

If they go with a 2nd show on Tuesday please make it an all X-Division/KO show.

That way both of those would get enough time and the "regular" male workers would get plenty of time on Thursday.

[GDE71]

Was I the only one who really disliked the Kendrick Homicide match last night (Impact was good though)? It just seemed to be paced quite awkward and the whole matched just seemed sloppy. I am a fan of both and last night was just a very disappointing match.

I'm with you on this. I'm not too sure Homicide is into doing anything except finally doing the job.

It was almost as Kendrick couldn't get him to do what was planned and had to go along with what was being done.

I didn't think it helped Kendrick at all after what was a decent promo. Altho it seemed to me he was reading off cue cards or a prompter whenever he was looking away for dramatic effect.

[Hyde Hill]

Thing also is you where expecting an X Division match so either technical or high-flying or a combo which we know these guys to be capable off and instead we got a mediocre brawl. I think it told the story well of Kendrick being a bit off in the head and having great fortitude though.

[Hyde Hill]

If they go with a 2nd show on Tuesday please make it an all X-Division/KO show.

That way both of those would get enough time and the "regular" male workers would get plenty of time on Thursday.

That would be too much B show, but not B show for me. Either make it a B show featuring the entire undercard or make it an A show but without splitting the brand giving one more time to focus on all the stories going into ppv and matches. It could be more focused towards the X and or the KO's but I would not make it exclusive.

[Hyde Hill]

Also could be a major signing seeing as Spike sometimes helps foot the bill for very expensive ones.

[haloed]

Also could be a major signing seeing as Spike sometimes helps foot the bill for very expensive ones.

Who at this point could be considered a major signing though? I think the only true major signing is nearly impossible or maybe even completely impossible. I'm guessing its TV related. Actually thinking of ordering the PPV this time, looks to have a good card and Sting vs. RVD could be a good main event.

[GDE71]

Just saw this:

IMPACT AND SUPERSTARS RATINGS

By Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) on 2010-06-11 19:07:39
The 6/10 edition of Impact did a 1.0 rating, with 1,276,000 viewers. The 6/10 edition of Superstars did a 0.8 rating, with 1,017,000 viewers.
The Superstars replay did a 0.3 rating, with 207,000 viewers.



Also on PWInsider they mention it could be Kevin Sullivan or Paul Heyman coming in to book TNA.




So w/o Game 1 of the NBA, they got back to a 1.0.

[Hyde Hill]

Or it is very slightly up. Hmm PWI I trust and Sullivan was under Bisch during the good WCW years so maybe. Heyman would be ace. But why would Kevin Kay be needed for that?

Only thing I can think off is that Spike would allow Heyman to make a Heyman Hustle type show on their network as part of the deal.

[Slagaholic]

Also on PWInsider they mention it could be Kevin Sullivan or Paul Heyman coming in to book TNA.

DO NOT WANT

"I put Ric Flair and Hogan in the main event because I know they will always draw." - Kevin Sullivan

[Hyde Hill]

At that time he was 100 percent right. Time being when Hogan first came to WCW.

[Bigpapa42]

I would mark out for Heyman... but his effectiveness is going to depend on what degree of autonomy he's given. If he's put under a ton of restrains from Hogan and Carter, then I doubt there's going to be too much improvement.

[Moe Hunter]

Who at this point could be considered a major signing though?

BATISTA

[Comradebot]

Who at this point could be considered a major signing though? I think the only true major signing is nearly impossible or maybe even completely impossible. I'm guessing its TV related. Actually thinking of ordering the PPV this time, looks to have a good card and Sting vs. RVD could be a good main event.

...

The Rock

:eek:

[haloed]

Heyman coming in would be great imo. Could be just what they need if they let him do his thing with the roster they have. I mean you could argue TNA has a much better overall roster than ECW had at any point and he worked magic than with wrestlers no one really wanted any more until Heyman got a hold of them. So Heyman could be awesome.

And I agree with Sullivan not being an ideal choice. All I know though is they need someone with a vision of what TNA should be and some one that will be able to give us sensible storylines that flow instead of jump all over the place into a jumbled mess. Maybe Heyman could be that guy if he is indeed the surprise.



...

The Rock

:eek:


That's who I was getting at with being the impossible lone signing that would be huge. Lol.

Batista wouldn't be that big imo. I don't think he'd bring anything to the table that Christian, Angle, etc. haven't already brought.

[Bigpapa42]

I just can't see The Rock having anything to do with TNA. If he really doesn't want to bother with the WWE, why would he jump to someone smaller and less important? Even if its just for a few appearances... Plus it would mean burning bridges with the WWE and that would be a bad idea, even if just for financial reasons.

[Hitman23]

What about HBK? That would be a major signing

[Hyde Hill]

Really don't think its in the wrestling talent department personally. Hoping Heyman, Sullivan wouldn't be too bad compared to Russo. And it seems Hogan has taken a backseat in creative with Bisch taking a more active role at least the last set of tapings had a lot less nostalgia, better flow and less new ridiculous stuff. Bisch as head of production, Heyman as head of creative, Ross as head of talent (not happening at least yet), Dixie doing the business side of things and Hogan for pr stuff and a great marketing exec would be the almost perfect backstage team.

[Hyde Hill]

What about HBK? That would be a major signing

Very unlikely but seeing as it's wrestling never say never.

[Slagaholic]

At that time he was 100 percent right. Time being when Hogan first came to WCW.

He said that after Russo was fired by WCW in 2000. Lo and behold the first PPV of his tenure Hogan vs Flair in a Strap match was the main event. And it did horrible buys even by WCW 2000's standards.

I just can't see The Rock having anything to do with TNA. If he really doesn't want to bother with the WWE, why would he jump to someone smaller and less important? Even if its just for a few appearances... Plus it would mean burning bridges with the WWE and that would be a bad idea, even if just for financial reasons.

I don't think it would be burning a bridge. Guys have left WWE for TNA and hopped right back to WWE no problem. If The Rock went to TNA for a few appearances and then a few months later asked if WWE wanted him to say...guest host Raw. I highly doubt WWE would say no.

That being said the odds that it is the Rock is about 10,000-1.

[Hyde Hill]

I just can't see The Rock having anything to do with TNA. If he really doesn't want to bother with the WWE, why would he jump to someone smaller and less important? Even if its just for a few appearances... Plus it would mean burning bridges with the WWE and that would be a bad idea, even if just for financial reasons.

Maybe Spike/Viacom gave him some movies and or tv show etc as part of the deal? Do not think that for a talent as great as the Rock it would be a true bridge burner.

[Hitman23]

If the creative team ends up Bischoff + Heyman + Sullivan= Great TV or Backstage troubles. Could be good or bad but it depends Paul and Eric still dont get along too good do they?

[Hyde Hill]

He said that after Russo was fired the first time in WCW...in 2000

Well depends on the context hehe. Russo at that time did go a bit overboard with pushing the new/young talent etc. non established vs non established draws little non established vs established is good idea, established vs established is a safe bet. In a very very simplified kind of way.

[Hyde Hill]

If the creative team ends up Bischoff + Heyman + Sullivan= Great TV or Backstage troubles. Could be good or bad but it depends Paul and Eric still dont get along too good do they?

Tried getting EB to open up on facebook on his current status with Paul. No answers unfortunately. Best source I know is the book in where he appreciates his creativity but dislikes his dishonesty. Well now that he would not also be the owner he has a lot less incentive to be dishonest or he would be dishonest in a way that would benefit TNA and thus EB.

[The Celt]

According to 411mania Heyman says he won't do TNA unless they give him totally creative control.

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah that is coming from multiple sources. Still why not, Bisch is not so much storyline but more format and Hogan has seen the less is more light it seems.

[Slagaholic]

According to 411mania Heyman says he won't do TNA unless they give him totally creative control.

If Bischoff will still collect a fat check, I don't see why he wouldn't give it up. Russo's already got a foot out the door of creative.

[Hyde Hill]

After our report earlier tonight concerning TNA's surprise, we heard from a number of people in the company stating that whatever they have planned it's bigger than a change in the creative process. As always, we will continue to follow this story moving forward.

Source PWI.

There goes Heyman sniff sniff. There comes live and or second show and or touring.

[Hitman23]

name change maybe?

[Hyde Hill]

TWA! TWA! TWA! TWA! If they pick that they stole my suggestion and I will be proud as a pea**** lolz.

[Hyde Hill]

Heard the rumour that when Bisch and Hogan came in they talked about the name change but said no and the main name discussed was IWF.

[Hitman23]

Heard the rumour that when Bisch and Hogan came in they talked about the name change but said no and the main name discussed was IWF.

international wrestling federation? Has a pretty good ring to it

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah and not too bad a name either. Just somewhat generic, not that that is bad.

[GDE71]

international wrestling federation? Has a pretty good ring to it

You know if it's IWF it might be something awful like

Intergalactic Wrestling Federation.

Cuz ya know intergalactic is bigger than WWF.


A name change to me would be meh

Live on Thursday every week would be worth the hype

2nd weekly show would be worth the hype

Rock/HBK/Austin would be worth the hype

[cappyboy]

Heard the rumour that when Bisch and Hogan came in they talked about the name change but said no and the main name discussed was IWF.

international wrestling federation? Has a pretty good ring to it

It's quite the jump from the name TNA has now and would take even more effort to establish than a shift to TWA or TNW would be. But I do agree with Brother Hitman about "International Wrestling Federation" if that would be what the initials stood for. With the X Cup and World Elite and the like, TNA's done a pretty good job of giving an international flavor over the years. One could even make the case that pushing Rob Terry is a nod to that. However misguided a move it may be. It might push them back to square one with the Q rating but it would most definitely fit.

[Hyde Hill]

I reached out to TNA President Dixie Carter for clarification on the "TNA changes" comment that we've written about tonight. When asked about whether it would involve a creative change as we theorized earlier in the night, Carter responded none of the theories making the rounds were correct and the change was something on a much larger, grander scale. It was described to me as "true change."
While there is rampant discussion going on within the company about the situation (and we've heard a number of theories), the reality is no one in the company knows what Carter has up her sleeve as she hasn't disclosed it to anyone. Carter is holding all her cards extremely close to the vest, so no one knows what the true nature of what her tease is.

While Carter made it clear this situation is not something specifically designed for Slammiversary (although she did tease a surprise for that PPV, which apparently is a different matter), all of this certainly does add a lot of intrigue and mystique to this Sunday's PPV.

We'll have full coverage of TNA Slammiversary all this weekend.


Source PWI. Hmm really depends to what rumours she is revering too. No more ppv is the only one I have not seen yet which could be described as such a game changers.

[Hyde Hill]

So it seems that the Slammiversary surprise and the big change, which will also start at Slam apparently, are two different things. So probably a signing, Dreamer I guess, and another big one, no clue but lotsa options. Seems the Bryan firing and Hogan's overhyping have kinda stole the thunder from this one.

[Gabbo]

I have no doubt that Hogan signing complete control to Heyman would be in his best interests. I feel certain in assuming Heyman would use Hogan and get the best out of him, the only flaw I could see is Hogan wanting to be the centre of attention (I haven't watched TNA much recently) but if reports are true that he's on TV less then he may aswell let Heyman book him.

[Hyde Hill]

Yep recent set of taping's has been a less is more approach to Hogan.

[stratusfaction]

Please tell me that this big change isn't a name change! I love TNA but it was only like 6 months ago that we lost the 6 sided ring and I'm still not over that... I don't know if I can take a name change too!

Heyman taking control would be sweet though! A second show would be good too. A year ago I would say their best bet would be a Knockout's show...but at this current state the Knockout's are on a fast course to Diva land so they really don't deserve their own show.

Whatever it is it's bound to be good... Dixie Carter never let's me down when she says there is BIG surprises coming up!

[The Stallion]

I remember when they hyped a huge surprise and it turned out to be Kurt Angle. I dont think any of the big surprises that TNA has hyped have been let downs. They may have not been as huge as hyped (Bobby Lashley), but they still were big.

[Hyde Hill]

Don't think they hyped Lashley via twitter or just as a surprise not a game changer, the last big twitter ones where Angle, Hogan and Monday's which where big news not that Mondays or Hogan have worked so far. Bisch has been doing good work except for his fondness of bubblegum (OJ).

[Hyde Hill]

Carter also noted that there was a "nice surprise" set for tonight's TNA Slammiversary but that the larger changes she was talking about earlier this week would not happen at the PPV tonight but would take place in a few weeks and when it did, it would change things for TNA. Carter noted she was excited for it to take place.

During the party, I had the chance to talk with Carter, who confirmed the "changes" she was talking about earlier in the week would not be a sale of the company to a new owner. She also shot down a theory that it could be a network television deal for TNA. So, you can scratch those theories off the list. Carter said everyone who know in a few weeks.

Source PWI.

[LoganRodzen]

I've never seen any company or person use the word "change" as much as TNA and Obama.

[Jaysin]

Kurt Angle vs Amazing Red was a better match than anything WWE has put on in a long time. It's nice they gave Red the rub like that.

The RVD/Sting brawl at the end of the show was really well done. I kept going back and forth on who would "stand tall" at the end of it.

"Deception" scrawled across the title reminds me of back in the day when Hollywood would spray paint nWo on the WCW title. Not sure if that's linked to what Sting's over all goal is.

The eight man tag match was fun with a really nice finish.

It was a nice lead in show for Slammiversary tonight. I can't wait to watch.

[LoganRodzen]

Watching the latest Impact right now on Spike.com. I haven't watched every week, but that could change now considering all of the TV shows I watch are done their seasons. I really like the stuff I've seen with Kazarian and Styles... the rivalry over impressing Flair makes me laugh. And Jay Lethal is extremely entertaining. I've seen him do the Flair skit twice now and he did even better this time than the last. I like the stuff TNA has going right now, but I wish they had started way back in January (when I gave them my full attention as a trial run) with the direction they're taking now.

[Slagaholic]

It always takes a long time for a new booker to get his legs under him. And Bischoff always blows his competitive load before he should.

[LoganRodzen]

Kurt Angle vs Amazing Red was a better match than anything WWE has put on in a long time. It's nice they gave Red the rub like that.

I've been watching Impact off and on today while cleaning our pool and I just saw that match. It was really cool for how long it was and Angle let Red look good with a lot of spots and reversals. Angle vs the top 10 is a really cool storyline (even though it's so basic) and TNA may have just grabbed my attention with this Impact.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Dixie Carter @TNADixie

To clarify. I will not be making an announcement about how TNA will change forever. You will just see for yourselves in the coming weeks.





I hope this has nothing to do with going "3-D"... that would be a true waste. What other "major changes" would we see for ourselves over the next few weeks? Something that's not announced. iMPACT on the road?

[Slagaholic]

In the press release for Victory Road Desmond Wolfe is mentioned by name!

[alden]

Slamaversiy has to be huge.....i mean it is there mania......I am not sure yet if it is going to be as big as it needs to be though. Sting vs rvd? that is a good match but its no angle vs sting or hogan vs flair......yes i still want to see one last hogan vs flair or sting.

I hope they do good tonight.........I really want them to have a good show.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

It could be something like a huge push for somebody. I wouldn't be surpries if it was a letdown. She might just be trying to keep hype on TNA after the Invasion has everybody buzzing.

[Slagaholic]

I'd say Bound For Glory is their WrestleMania. Slammiversary is more like they're SummerSlam.

[alden]

fair enough.....either way i think this is a big one.

[Slagaholic]

I do as well. My money's on Sting winning the title.

[The Celt]

Actually I think TNA's PPV is slightly more comparable to ROH

TNA Slamiversity= RoH Anniversity Show
TNA Bound for Glory = RoH Glory by Honor

[The Final Countdown]

Wouldn't it be more like Bound for Glory = Final Battle? FB seems like ROH's biggest show.

[The Celt]

You'd know better than me.

[TheOmniWarrior]

Dixie said the big surprise will come later, but theres a surprise today.


I personally think todays is HELMS, because hes always on twitter and NOTHING at all today

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Would Helms be worthy of such hype? He's not that big a name.

[TheOmniWarrior]

Dixie said The Big Surprise would be in the comings weeks. But there was still a surprise for tonight

[alden]

i don't think the "big news" is a wrestler......i think a few surprises will come in tonight......maybe helms to team up with moore again.

[TheOmniWarrior]

Hopefully they dont bring in karagias

[The Final Countdown]

Hopefully they dont bring in karagias
Hey, I bet he's in better shape than Hall! :D

[Hyde Hill]

Helms has an indie date tonight so my money is on Dreamer for the slam surprise and live tv for the see for yourself change or Heyman oh god please Heyman hehe.

[Hyde Hill]

In the press release for Victory Road Desmond Wolfe is mentioned by name!

And he is on the Slammiversary poster.

[Jaysin]

Prediction time

RVD(c) vs Sting- I bet Sting takes the belt from RVD. They've done a good job building up Sting's new character. Winning the title would get him closer to removing the "veil" over everyone's eyes.

Douglas Williams(c) vs Brian Kendrick- I'm going to go with Kendrick on this one. I just have a feeling on this one. No real reason behind it.

Matt Morgan vs Hernandez- Herndandez gets revenge for Morgan putting him out of action

Hardy & Anderson vs Beer Money- I'm gonna go with Hardy & Anderson winning this one. I still think Anderson's gonna turn on Hardy, but I don't think it's going to be this soon.

Kurt Angle vs Kazarian- Angle definitely wins this one

AJ Styles vs Jay Lethal- I'm gonna go with AJ on this one.

Roxxi vs Madison Rayne(c)- I'm going with Roxxi.

Desmond Wolfe vs Abyss- I want Wolfe since Abyss won at Sacrifice.

[Slagaholic]

RVD(c) vs Sting- I hope Sting wins the belt. I want this storyline to get some resolution.

Douglas Williams(c) vs Brian Kendrick- I think it's too soon to put the belt on Kendrick, his character needs to develop more.

Matt Morgan vs Hernandez- I think this match is going to be good. Hernandez is going to win.

Hardy & Anderson vs Beer Money- Beer Money win by DQ after Mr. Anderson gets frustrated and gets caught cheating.

Kurt Angle vs Kazarian- Angle wins, but he's going to make Kaz look awesome.

AJ Styles vs Jay Lethal- My heart wants Jay Lethal, but my mind says AJ Styles.

Roxxi vs Madison Rayne(c)- Total coin flip. I'll go with Roxxi winning with the help of Rosie.

Desmond Wolfe vs Abyss- Wolfe wins this one after Chelsea swerves Abyss. Rubber match at Victory Road.

[Hyde Hill]

RVD - Given more time for Sting to go more loco and remove the veil. Plus TNA uses long main title runs.

Kendrick - Recent interview Bisch said he was impressed with Kendrick and he seems to be leading now not Hogan or Russo

Draw between Morgan and Hernandez getting thrown out due to violence and the Band interference.

Beer Money - Anderson screws Hardy as he is better as a heel

Angle - Duh probable MOTN

Styles - Can't seem to weak so shortly after the title loss will make Lethal look strong though. Possible motn.

Roxxi - Please the BP should be anti knockout side show not the centre of the KO's.

Wolf - He needs one back more and Chelsea will triple cross him or something.

Neal over Ray. Why else have this match?

Possible impromptu match Guns over The Band plz plz plz plz plz.

[Jaysin]

Roxxi - Please the BP should be anti knockout side show not the centre of the KO's.

That's horrible. Madison is a fantastic in ring worker and her mic work is getting better by leaps and bounds. I've watched her for years(she was on CAPW on public access).

Lacey is the weak link in the Beautiful People sure, but she has her hilarious dumb blond moments. Some are just dumb, but she does get a good laugh. She's awful in the ring, but with any luck, she gets better.

Velvet is constantly improving in the ring, and well, look at her. She makes most women look like slag!

[Hyde Hill]

Side Show was a bit harsh and I agree Madison is the best in ring worker of the BP past and present. But they where the Knockout's natural foil and got their heat via angles, being hot and a lot of cheating, they should not dominate the division if you want to present it as an alternative.

[GDE71]

Les Thatcher has reported who the surprise is. Go to pwinsider so you can post it here.

Or someone tell me how to do spoilers so I can start doing them.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Les Thatcher has reported who the surprise is. Go to pwinsider so you can post it here.

Or someone tell me how to do spoilers so I can start doing them.

Change the text color to white.

[alden]

to do a spoiler highlight the text and change the color to white. To change colors click on the a next to size and choose white.

[Candyman]

Les Thatcher has reported who the surprise is. Go to pwinsider so you can post it here.

Or someone tell me how to do spoilers so I can start doing them.

Just make your text white. Like this: according to pwinsider, Tommy Dreamer will be at Slammiversary tonight. (DO NOT QUOTE THIS! It will show the spoiler.)

On an unrelated note, I'm never going to pwinsider again. Ads f**king time you click on a link, ridiculous.

[GDE71]

SPOILER

TNA SURPRISE SPOILER

By Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) on 2010-06-13 18:56:29
If you are a fan of Tommy Dreamer, our own Les Thatcher is reporting (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newerawrestling) that he will be appearing tonight on the Slammiversary PPV. All I can add to that is that Les is one sharp cat.

[Hyde Hill]

Hmm I don't get that candy with the ads. Some links are ads but you need to hover over them to see which ones. and towards the spoiler:

I so called it lol, still will be interesting to see how they will use him.Don't see the need to bring him in though when you have Raven and Rhino and Richards and 3D and RVD as he does not have many or any unique fans that those could not draw given the same exposure.

[GDE71]

Angle/Kaz start the show...

[AzzMartin]

On an unrelated note, I'm never going to pwinsider again. Ads f**king time you click on a link, ridiculous.

This is why you get elite ;)

[Jaysin]

Angle/Kaz start the show...

and it kicked ass!

[Hitman23]

Angle/Kaz start the show...

Very good match

[alden]

very good x devision match...

[Slagaholic]

Holy crap Williams vs Kendrick was like watching a video game.

[Jaysin]

Another great match...on a roll so far

[alden]

I don't think it is going to be three in a row but we will see......knock out match is about to start

[alden]

Hmmmmmm..........ok a bit of a intresting stip to the womans match.........makes no sense to be honest

[Hitman23]

shes busted open pretty good

[Jaysin]

Hmmmmmm..........ok a bit of a intresting stip to the womans match.........makes no sense to be honest

Makes perfect sense to me

[alden]

Well..........We will see how this turns out......

[Jaysin]

Roxxi lost and is now out of TNA. Hopefully that doesn't stick. I love Roxxi. Good match though

[alden]

It was better then i thought it was going to be.....i wish they would have hyped it up a little more atleast had her goat roxie into it on tv before the match. I hope she is not gone

[haloed]

It was better then i thought it was going to be.....i wish they would have hyped it up a little more atleast had her goat roxie into it on tv before the match. I hope she is not gone

It was a solid match and I doubt that Roxxi will be gone. I mean one could argue that she never even finished here statement to agree to the stip in the first place.

[Slagaholic]

Double Swerve!

[Jaysin]

Double Swerve!

That was a good one too :p

[LoganRodzen]

I really love Madison Rayne. :o

[Jaysin]

Dreamer!

[Slagaholic]

Well...that made no sense...

At least right now it makes no sense.

[Slagaholic]

Bubba (Brother) Ray is one of the most underrated heel performers of the last 25 years. He is great at making the fans HATE him.

[Slagaholic]

Bahahahaha I love Matt Morgan.

[alden]

dang i was eating during the bubba match.......what happend?

[Hitman23]

dang i was eating during the bubba match.......what happend?

Dreamer debuted and Neal won

[LoganRodzen]

Bubba (Brother) Ray is one of the most underrated heel performers of the last 25 years. He is great at making the fans HATE him.

Not underrated... just forgotten. The heat the Dudley's used to get in ECW was crazy. Fans had to be stopped from jumping the barricade back then because they'd get them so riled up.

Bahahahaha I love Matt Morgan.

I'm a fan of him too. He just has that look and he isn't bad on the microphone at all.

[haloed]

Morgan will be a great TNA Heavyweight Champion when the time comes imo.

[Hitman23]

Ill mark out if Heyman shows up in the crowd during RVD Vs. Sting

[Slagaholic]

AJ and Jay Lethal are putting on the match of the night.

[alden]

lethal beat styles in a great match!

[Slagaholic]

Those white women sure love them some Lethal.

[alden]

lol.......

That was a beautifull suplex by lethal......I think people really forget sometimes just how good lethal is........i am glad they are letting him shine.

[haloed]

That was a great match and I'm kinda surprised with Lethal winning. I will say that Flair really brought an interesting dynamic to the match.

[alden]

so looks like beer money vs anderson and hardy.......this should be an intresting one. I do see a swerve by anderson...

[alden]

lol is the name just to say we are everything wwe is not right now? i mean come on........

[Slagaholic]

The Enigmatic *******s!

[Hitman23]

great tag name:p

[alden]

i prefered creatures of the *******s better though lol

[LoganRodzen]

Besides Lethal / Styles this is the match I've been looking forward to.

EDIT: TNA has grabbed me as a viewer. This Hardy and Anderson stuff as a team is priceless. I'm lovin' it.

[Slagaholic]

Mr. Anderson is really good as a face. I think he's staying face for a while and I don't mind it at all if it's going to be this much fun. It was great watching he and Hardy attempting to unite as a team during the match.

You can say a lot about Hogan's lack of talent but that is one thing he truly understood about wrestling. When Hogan was brought into TNA he emphasized the importance ring psychology and telling stories with matches. In the past few months, the stories being told by TNA's matches are getting much more creative, and makes the matches more captivating.

[alden]

jerret attacks sting..........and a kick out from sting

[alden]

but not out of the five star splash lol......rvd still champ

[Slagaholic]

Not to mention Earl Hebner took top rope flying cross body.

[cappyboy]

This Hardy and Anderson stuff as a team is priceless. I'm lovin' it.

Wonderful. Just flippin wonderful. First Slovenia wins. Then Ghana wins. And now my worst wrestling nightmare is realized. Thank God I've never been a buyer of PPV's. I don't know my head would have remained intact after this final indignity. I'm so glad there's only one hour left in this day.

[LoganRodzen]

Wonderful. Just flippin wonderful. First Slovenia wins. Then Ghana wins. And now my worst wrestling nightmare is realized. Thank God I've never been a buyer of PPV's. I don't know my head would have remained intact after this final indignity. I'm so glad there's only one hour left in this day.

I haven't "bought" a PPV since '04. :o

[Togg]

All that hype and speculation was for Tommy Dreamer? the guy rocks, but was that really the "big announcement" :confused:.

If that was the case, am i the only one feeling that there going to start to hype it when local rookies are signed for a show? for once, why cant things live upto the hype:( lol

Whats next? another huge for next weeks Impact? where A1 returns to TNA lol

[Slagaholic]

That wasn't the big announcement.

[Linsolv]

Tommy Dreamer is the "Nice surprise" for Slammiversary. Then there's a "Major upheaval" that is not named Tommy Dreamer that I've been hearing about.

[LoganRodzen]

I've never seen a women's match with blood before. That was a first for me.

[TakerNGN74]

I've never seen a women's match with blood before. That was a first for me.

I have seen a few in TNA its very rare though, Tara AKA Victoria got busted open in a match once but that is the last that I remember.

[TracyBrooksFan]

I have seen a few in TNA its very rare though, Tara AKA Victoria got busted open in a match once but that is the last that I remember.

Dafnney also a few times

[Moe Hunter]

When did Anderson turn face?

By this thread lately it seems like maybe I should have stuck with watching TNA. Haven't had much time (didn't even watch all of Lockdown, just Angle vs Anderson), but it sounds like less Hogan and more good matches and stories.

[alden]

hogan is being used less and less each show....they are wanting to keep him a "big deal" type of deal

[crownsy]

When did Anderson turn face?

By this thread lately it seems like maybe I should have stuck with watching TNA. Haven't had much time (didn't even watch all of Lockdown, just Angle vs Anderson), but it sounds like less Hogan and more good matches and stories.

About two weeks ago, Dixie Tweeted that her TNA couldn't "ignore the cheers any longer!"

I for one am still holding out hope this is a false turn. Face Anderson is good, because Anderson is good.

But heel anderson was awesome, and TNA lacks good heels. I would have kept him as a heel....hoping he turns on Hardy and laughs in Hogan's face. that would save this storyline for me.

[crownsy]

hogan is being used less and less each show....they are wanting to keep him a "big deal" type of deal

If they can build a Time machine and take their audience back to 1998, that just might work.

Though, whatever rational they use to keep Hogan out of every angle and push the more talented guys is fine by me :D

[Slagaholic]

A new rumor is that TNA will be dropping PPVs and going with specials on Spike TV.

If true, that's a fantastic idea.

[-laz-]

A new rumor is that TNA will be dropping PPVs and going with specials on Spike TV.

If true, that's a fantastic idea.
we already get all tna events free in the uk so its no change for us :)

[cappyboy]

A new rumor is that TNA will be dropping PPVs and going with specials on Spike TV.

If true, that's a fantastic idea.

Indeed. And it would fit with why she'd need Spike's help to make it work. What could be really cool is those specials could have that Clash of The Champions feel from when WCW was really good. Throwbacks in feel to that period would be a very good thing in my world.

[-laz-]

you gotta think of it this way, the specials will be 3 hours long just like a ppv but with adverts you'l be getting about 2-2 1/2 hours long

[Slagaholic]

And they'll get more than 1,000 people watching the events live legally.

[Hitman23]

I think that TNA is finding the right balence to make there product good, less Hogan and less Bischoff and Flair and more Styles, Leathal, Morgan, Joe, Kaz and X Division. Last nights PPV was real good imo and all the match were at least 3.5 out of 5. If they go with no PPVs and three hour specials and have the specials as good as last nights show they will gain alot of fans.

[Self]

Hmm. Maybe drop a few PPV's and replace them with TV specials. I assume they're making money on PPV (or else they would have dropped them long ago, surely) and I'm not sure how much money you can make with specials on Spike, so even if they get five-times the viewers on Spike, what do they really gain? I'm sure they have guys crunching the numbers on it. As a small-time operation, TNA shouldn't be running monthly PPV's anyway. I've always found it an absurd concept. They seem to do it only because it's what wrestling companies are 'supposed to do'.

[Slagaholic]

TNA's problem is that they need more people watching their product. I'm sure they'd sacrifice the money they make with PPV buys to gain more viewers with TV specials.

[Hyde Hill]

Yep and they won't lose that much money as Spike would have to pay for the tv rights of the specials and they can sell them abroad. It's all about creating awareness and if that is the move combined with the recent quality of Impact and an excellent Slammiversary then they will grow.

As I think one of the main reasons their UK audience is bigger ,apart from the different culture, is because they get to see all the ppv's which while hit and miss are generally good.

Just a shame they had to lose all that momentum before they got better.

4 very good matches
2 Good ones
3 decent ones

I am a very happy camper.

[-laz-]

ok one question how do we simulate these monthly specials with TEW

[Hyde Hill]

I dunno but kinda getting ahead of yourself here aren't ya? As this is just one of many rumours floating around.

[LoganRodzen]

They should do six PPVs a year. Every other month should be a 3-hour special that's the equivalent of Saturday Night Main Event or Clash of the Champions. That sounds like a good way to grow their fan base.

[fatallylost]

They should do six PPVs a year. Every other month should be a 3-hour special that's the equivalent of Saturday Night Main Event or Clash of the Champions. That sounds like a good way to grow their fan base.

I agree. It's how WWF got off and running. They should just pick the biggest 4-6, and have a build up to them.

[Self]

TNA's problem is that they need more people watching their product. I'm sure they'd sacrifice the money they make with PPV buys to gain more viewers with TV specials.

Isn't that what their TV is for? You know, Impact? Isn't that supposed to be the thing that draws people in, then convinces them to buy the PPV's? Maybe they should worry about making that a better promotional tool than hot-shotting a bunch of 'specials'.

Not that I'm overly against the idea. It might be a nice way to do shows like Destination X or a pure Knockouts show or the World X Cup Finals. You can see how interested folks would be in 3 hours of X-action or girls beating on eachother, without asking them to pay. As long as they're different to the PPV's, that's the key. Save the really special stuff, or the tried-and-tested stars in big hyped fights, for PPV.

[Slagaholic]

I'd have Genesis, Lockdown, Slammiversary, and Bound For Glory as the Pay Per Views and every other month having the specials


Isn't that what their TV is for? You know, Impact? Isn't that supposed to be the thing that draws people in, then convinces them to buy the PPV's? Maybe they should worry about making that a better promotional tool than hot-shotting a bunch of 'specials'.

Not that I'm overly against the idea.

Pay-Per-View is nice, but TNA does not rely on PPV money. Right now it's in their best interests to realize that having with a PPV every month is not the best idea business wise. They are trying to compete against a company who's main show routinely gets triple the ratings theirs does, and who also have three other TV shows during the week.

They aren't going going to add two million viewers in a month, if they want to compete they need to be available for free as much as they can. Giving away pay-per-view quality shows to hype buying the really big pay-per-views is a good idea for right now.

The thought that to be a successful national wrestling company you need 12 PPVs a year is silly (not that you think that, but it's clear that is seen as the bar these days). UFC is really hurting WWE's buy-rates, just imagine what they're doing to TNA's already embarrassingly low buy-rates. Hell they're on the same channel!

TNA's emphasis has to be on gaining exposure right now. Not necessarily making a profit. They've spent a ton of money, and they have to do everything they can to gain exposure to try to get it to pay off. Staying the course after spending all that money is not a good idea at all.

All that being said...we don't know if this is the true story or not. I just hope it's true since I've been hollering for TNA to do this for a while.

[LoganRodzen]

Isn't that what their TV is for? You know, Impact? Isn't that supposed to be the thing that draws people in, then convinces them to buy the PPV's? Maybe they should worry about making that a better promotional tool than hot-shotting a bunch of 'specials'.

Not that I'm overly against the idea.

I've only seen a few full episodes of Impact (a couple when they moved to Monday in Jan. and sporadic after that) but they made me a viewer after the Impact from Thursday (watched online). I enjoy seeing Styles, Kazarian, Wolfe, and Beer Money without Flair. That stable in my eyes is the coolest thing TNA has going besides Anderson/Hardy. Why do I enjoy this Anderson and Hardy as faces together thing? Because it seems like Anderson is bringing the best out of Hardy... as in, he actually seems like he has a personality now.

[Slagaholic]

Thats a great point. Mr. Anderson is giving Jeff Hardy a huge charismatic rub. Jeff Hardy is at his best when he isn't relied upon to carry the 'entertaining' aspect of a storyline. Pairing him up with Mr. Anderson is great for both of them, as long as they keep the tag belts off of them (at least for a while).

[Hyde Hill]

I'd have Genesis, Lockdown, Slammiversary, and Bound For Glory as the Pay Per Views and every other month having the specials




Pay-Per-View is nice, but TNA does not rely on PPV money. Right now it's in their best interests to realize that having with a PPV every month is not the best idea business wise. They are trying to compete against a company who's main show routinely gets triple the ratings theirs does, and who also have three other TV shows during the week.

They aren't going going to add two million viewers in a month, if they want to compete they need to be available for free as much as they can. Giving away pay-per-view quality shows to hype buying the really big pay-per-views is a good idea for right now.

The thought that to be a successful national wrestling company you need 12 PPVs a year is silly (not that you think that, but it's clear that is seen as the bar these days). UFC is really hurting WWE's buy-rates, just imagine what they're doing to TNA's already embarrassingly low buy-rates. Hell they're on the same channel!

TNA's emphasis has to be on gaining exposure right now. Not necessarily making a profit. They've spent a ton of money, and they have to do everything they can to gain exposure to try to get it to pay off. Staying the course after spending all that money is not a good idea at all.

All that being said...we don't know if this is the true story or not. I just hope it's true since I've been hollering for TNA to do this for a while.

Was way ahead of you on that idea hehe. And yeah it could be a smart move. Also remember they won't lose that much in terms of profit as it will be substituted with television rights fees which is their main source of income.

[Hyde Hill]

Thats a great point. Mr. Anderson is giving Jeff Hardy a huge charismatic rub. Jeff Hardy is at his best when he isn't relied upon to carry the 'entertaining' aspect of a storyline. Pairing him up with Mr. Anderson is great for both of them, as long as they keep the tag belts off of them (at least for a while).

Even before the Anderson pairing Hardy was better on the mic it seemed even though I find the whole creatures of the night stuff cheesy etc he seemed a lot more conformable and come across more natural. Now with Anderson it is even better.

[The Stallion]

Was way ahead of you on that idea hehe. And yeah it could be a smart move. Also remember they won't lose that much in terms of profit as it will be substituted with television rights fees which is their main source of income.

This whole thing about doing away with PPV could actually be the big surprise that Dixie has been talking about. It was actually a few months back that she was talking about doing away with Monthly PPV's and going possibly bi-monthly instead. This was a couple of months before Hogan and Bischoff came in. I remember thinking that this could be brilliant because it would give more time to build up the hype for the matches on the PPV's that do happen. On a side note this could be a mod-makers nightmare because I dont think there is a way to simulate specials in TEW.

[Hyde Hill]

She has actually been talking about it for a couple of years now. That is why it is one of the stronger rumours. I think if you have the patience to look back in this thread it has been discussed a couple of time or at least once thoroughly.

[Hyde Hill]

In other news ODB has quit and Roxxi was apparently legit fired. WTF is happening to the KO's ???

[Slagaholic]

Making room for Sarita, Wilde, and Hamada let's hope. If they get good screen time Roxxi is a pretty redundant face worker.

[Slagaholic]

Rejoice Hyde! Spoiler from tonight's tapings:
The Band were stripped of the Tag Titles. A tournament was set up and the winners of the tourny face MCMG at Victory Road for the Tag Titles.

Also, there are plans in place to bring Xplosion back to the US. Not the surprise, however.

[Comradebot]

In other news ODB has quit and Roxxi was apparently legit fired. WTF is happening to the KO's ???

NNNNNNNNNNNnnnnooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Hyde Hill]

Rejoice Hyde! Spoiler from tonight's tapings:


Also, there are plans in place to bring Xplosion back to the US. Not the surprise, however.

On the spoiler:

Hmm would rather have the Guns easily defeat the band but this works as well. Maybe an LAX or British Invasion reunion or the long awaited long term Beer Money vs Guns feud.

Well its not just about the number of KO's but the way they have been treated and the time they have gotten, although some of that has been Spike who chose to leave out the tag match between Rayne and Skye vs Roxxi and Lotta Love. It's on the tube though. Also ODB or Roxxyi > Lottalove. And don't get me started on Flash, Kong, Tara and the better indie workers around. Still need to make room for James and possibly Katie Lee.

On Xplosion since I am not in the US it could be available for download now which would be nice.

[Hitman23]

Im excited about the Abyss Heel turn and going back to physco Abyss

[LoganRodzen]

In other news ODB has quit and Roxxi was apparently legit fired. WTF is happening to the KO's ???

It's pretty crazy how TNA handled that too. Not telling her about the career stipulation and the fact she's going to lose until she arrived at the building... in my opinion that's a pretty ****ty way to do business.

[The Final Countdown]

It's pretty crazy how TNA handled that too. Not telling her about the career stipulation and the fact she's going to lose until she arrived at the building... in my opinion that's a pretty ****ty way to do business.
Yeah, it really was. Couldn't have been good for morale.

[LoganRodzen]

Yeah, it really was. Couldn't have been good for morale.

That's how I looked at it. People can make the argument that it's just Roxxi and it won't do anything to backstage morale, but it's one of those things that's like, "if they did that to her, why can't they do it to me too?" I look at it as if it were TEW - would a worker get pissed at you if you buried them and then fired them? Yep.

[Slagaholic]

Another good sign: Abyss turned heel. I hope he has Chelsea with him in some really bizarre beauty and the beast combo.

[Hyde Hill]

That's how I looked at it. People can make the argument that it's just Roxxi and it won't do anything to backstage morale, but it's one of those things that's like, "if they did that to her, why can't they do it to me too?" I look at it as if it were TEW - would a worker get pissed at you if you buried them and then fired them? Yep.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the straw that broke the back for ODB.

[Blackman]

TNA is just a prime example on how NOT to do things...

Anyhow... Tommy Dreamer? f*ck this. Why not bring in a new talent instead. Nope, they think dreamer can lure in new viewers. But I don't think so.

I'll keep checkin' their results though. :)

[Moe Hunter]

ODB gone? Excellent. She was nothing great in the ring and had about the worst, most poorly over-acted gimmick around.

By the by, I also really don't like Beer Money for the same reason to a lesser extanet. "Oh, our gimmick is we like to drink, so we have to take a sip every three seconds on the way to the ring". So much BS. How about they fight a REAL drunk in Scott Hall?

[Self]

I was under the impression that only James Storm had the 'drunk' gimmick, and true enough he hasn't played that to it's fullest recently. I blame the heel turn. Getting drunk is a babyface thing nowadays (and I thought he was an AWESOME babyface before TNA arbitrarily turned him back) so it's only natural the act would become a bit blander once he's heel.

Read the spoilers. Won't be watching this week either. Their attitude towards turns baffles me. Turning Pope babyface was a good move. Anderson was good but rushed. Every other turn just seems ridiculous and forced. Not that I was enjoying blubbering babyface Abyss, but to seemingly turn him on a dime like this has me rolling my eyes. I'd have to see the show to be sure (and I won't) but it seems like lazy character development to me. That being said, Abyss is one of the few guys I really want to see taking a beating from Hulk Hogan. Hulk Up. Big Boot. Atomic Leg Drop the blubbering sycophant all the way to hell. I don't care if Hulk breaks every bone in his body doing it, just make sure he uses his dying breath to get the pin.

[Hyde Hill]

Meh spoilers can't reveal everything as they do not tape in succession and a lot of backstage promo's are hidden so this turn could make sense. And I thought it would be a good idea to turn him anyway.

[Jaysin]

Possible spoiler...

Raven and Stevie Richards were backstage this week. Hopefully the ECW stable happens!

[Rocland]

Looks like Scott Hall is gone..again..

According to a report on ProWrestling.net, the talk backstage at the TNA Impact tapings yesterday was that Scott Hall had been fired from the promotion. His firing is apparently due to his recent arrest on May 14th.

I was pulling for him this time. I thought he could do one more decent run. Boy was I off....

[Stennick]

He was around for six months and honestly he wasn't inspiring. Why did Waltman get fired? The Band concept was cute for a few weeks but the WWE is doing a better nWo remake with NXT than TNA did with the originals so I'm ready for this to be over.

[Jaysin]

He was around for six months and honestly he wasn't inspiring. Why did Waltman get fired? The Band concept was cute for a few weeks but the WWE is doing a better nWo remake with NXT than TNA did with the originals so I'm ready for this to be over.

Waltman didn't get fired. He was given time off because he contracted hepatitis c.

[GDE71]

The TNA spoilers never seem to be good "on paper", yet the shows have been worth watching.

Anyone who isn't watching TNA right now, is missing out on a show that is better than 95% of RAW.

Also, as scattered as it seems, they are moving away from a lot of what went on Jan-April as they figure out what hasn't worked and what won't work.

I will continue to tune in to TNA and I will DVR Raw as I won't bother with Raw live until it improves. I feel the Nxt angle could have been GREAT, but it's not.

[Stennick]

I don't know what more you want out of the NXT angle given the restraints on the product. For two weeks that angle has been the best thing going.

[LoganRodzen]

Random - I've always thought TNA should do their TV show on Tuesday or Wednesday. Tuesday because Tuesday Night Impact just sounds bad ass and Wednesday because nothing is ever on TV. :rolleyes:

[Jaysin]

I don't know what more you want out of the NXT angle given the restraints on the product. For two weeks that angle has been the best thing going.

A shiny turd in a pile of crap is still feces :p

[Self]

A shiny turd in a pile of crap is still feces :p

... but one man's trash is another man's treasure. ;) Some people seem to like the NXT thing. It could be 'better', it could be closer to my cup of tea, but I won't bury it completely. At least they're trying.

... and so are TNA. Kinda. ODB's release saddens me a bit. I thought she added variety to the Knockouts. A nice differentiation from the generic WWE stickfigure body type. I wish she'd done the job to Madison (the career killer!) on her way out, but I expect that's what she was trying to avoid.

[Jaysin]

... but one man's trash is another man's treasure. ;) Some people seem to like the NXT thing. It could be 'better', it could be closer to my cup of tea, but I won't bury it completely. At least they're trying.

... and so are TNA. Kinda. ODB's release saddens me a bit. I thought she added variety to the Knockouts. A nice differentiation from the generic WWE stickfigure body type. I wish she'd done the job to Madison (the career killer!) on her way out, but I expect that's what she was trying to avoid.

The NXT angle is interesting. I'm not as enthralled with it as a lot of people seem to be, but for the first time in almost six months I've paid attention to WWE.

Now, about ODB. I was never a fan of hers. I thought she was talented in the ring, but her gimmick literally disgusted me. Trailer trash isn't something anyone should ever embrace. She wasn't even bad looking, but the gimmick was just too much like a redneck. :p

[PeterHilton]

Your call..but in here defense the trailer trash/redneck gimmick has been a standard part of pro wrestling for about the last 30 years or so.

[Jaysin]

Your call..but in here defense the trailer trash/redneck gimmick has been a standard part of pro wrestling for about the last 30 years or so.

Yeah, I know. I thought Trevor Murdoch was a hell of a worker, but I couldn't get behind him because of the gimmick.

[PeterHilton]

Yeah, I know. I thought Trevor Murdoch was a hell of a worker, but I couldn't get behind him because of the gimmick.

I liked him specifically because he was a Dick Murdoch knock off.

Not to get too off topic ..but someone on these boards did an ECW relaunch diary with Murdoch that did a full on "foul mouthed, racist, ignorant" (EXTREME) redneck gimmick and it was f'n brilliant.

[Hitman23]

Your call..but in here defense the trailer trash/redneck gimmick has been a standard part of pro wrestling for about the last 30 years or so.

I like it when it is done in a certin way but done wrong you get cody deaner

[Stennick]

Stan Hansen, Dick Murdoch, Terry Funk, several quality redneck gimmicks.

[Stennick]

A shiny turd in a pile of crap is still feces


The NXT angle is interesting. I'm not as enthralled with it as a lot of people seem to be, but for the first time in almost six months I've paid attention to WWE.



So its just a shiny turd in a pile of feces? But a shiny turd has you interested in the WWE? I think your going a bit over the top with your description of the NXT angle.

Is it revolutionary? No not in the least, but its different, its interesting.

Honestly if anyone is that desperate to watch the WWE that they'll just watch the best looking piece of crap they put out then thats sad. Watch it if you enjoy it and IF you enjoy it just say so.

Now days it seems like every message board people are afraid to say "Tna's shows are pretty good" and "The WWE still interests me".

Instead they spend time making digs at the promotions because I guess its the in thing to do.

Honestly the NXT angle is the only thing I like about WWE programming but I'm interested and I'm hopeful it continues to entertain me.

TNA has done a bang up job with their show except for Desmond Wolfe CONTINUES to lose I mean seriously when was the last time this guy won a match?

[Hyde Hill]

He has a pin on Jeff Hardy not long ago. And yeah unfortunately negativism abounds on the boards and IWC. Not too bad here though more critical analysis then slagging everything. TNA's shows have been good but the E still does not interest me. If they would lessen on the incessant reruns and what happened on RAW and all the other bs I would probably have watched Smackdown before the draft.

I give them a chance every now and then but nope TNA entertains me way more, they also frustrate me more with stupid stuff but I get more good in return to equal that out.

[Hyde Hill]

Victory Road is shaping up nicely so far if the spoilers are correct.

[Stennick]

My theory on booking pro wrestling pay per views is that you figure out what your big ppv's are. Like people said Genesis, Slammiversery, Bound for Glory, Lockdown whatever.

I like Victory Road's set up so far but

Spoilers

Ric Flair's "real" TNA in ring debut, maybe Hogan Abyss, MCMG finally getting the titles I'd like to see these on an "important" ppv. I'll take what I can get but thats just my opinion.

[Slagaholic]

If it happened on PPV virtually no one would see it (legally).

[Slagaholic]

GNC investing in TNA?

Editor's Note: Any story in the TSC Rumor Mill is just that, a rumor, until further notice. This is news before it's news. It's a rumor.

According to two representatives, one of General Nutrition Centers (GNC) and one of Sirius XM Satellite Radio who works with the health and nutrition juggernaut, GNC may be looking to invest and perhaps, buy out Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA Entertainment).
TNA is currently owned by Panda Energy, which is ran by Bob Carter, father of TNA President Dixie Carter.

[stratusfaction]

What is going on with the Knockouts?

Angelina and Daffney get injured so lets bring back Roxxi and push her down everyones throats and give her a title shot just to release her!

Roxxi was a pretty good wrestler. She could hold her own and the crowd was starting to really get behind her.

I'm sad to see ODB go. ODB actually had a gimmick going for her. Though stale at times she was fun and entertaining to watch. She has so much charisma and the people love her.

Now with those 2 gone we are left with the following:

Angelina Love - Glad she is coming back. Right now she is my favorite Knockout.

Daffney - Nothing special

Hamada: Excellent wrestler but will probably be released soon

Lacey Von Erich - Horrible wrestler but she is the future of the KO division

Madison Rayne - Obvious focal point to the divison. Alright worker

Rosie Lottalove - Complete Joke

Sarita - IMO the most well rounded out of all of them. Probably will be released soon too

Taylor Wilde - At one time she was the top dog now she is just being pushed to the side :(

Velvet Sky - No matter how many matches she is in she still hasn't learned anything!

This division use to flourish and now it's just a dud. TNA needs to realize that the Knockouts are a huge draw and they need to fix things and get back to where they were 2 years ago.

[Basmat01]

What is going on with the Knockouts?

Angelina and Daffney get injured so lets bring back Roxxi and push her down everyones throats and give her a title shot just to release her!

Roxxi was a pretty good wrestler. She could hold her own and the crowd was starting to really get behind her.

I'm sad to see ODB go. ODB actually had a gimmick going for her. Though stale at times she was fun and entertaining to watch. She has so much charisma and the people love her.

Now with those 2 gone we are left with the following:

Angelina Love - Glad she is coming back. Right now she is my favorite Knockout.

Daffney - Nothing special

Hamada: Excellent wrestler but will probably be released soon

Lacey Von Erich - Horrible wrestler but she is the future of the KO division

Madison Rayne - Obvious focal point to the divison. Alright worker

Rosie Lottalove - Complete Joke

Sarita - IMO the most well rounded out of all of them. Probably will be released soon too

Taylor Wilde - At one time she was the top dog now she is just being pushed to the side :(

Velvet Sky - No matter how many matches she is in she still hasn't learned anything!

This division use to flourish and now it's just a dud. TNA needs to realize that the Knockouts are a huge draw and they need to fix things and get back to where they were 2 years ago.

Roxxi was only rehired because April Hunter turned TNA down.

Looking at that list I really dont think its that bad its far from a "dud" though.

Hamada and Sarita are only there for the international aspect. Rosie is clearly a face Amazing Kong knock-off

Womens wrestling sometimes isnt just about the wrestling.

[Stennick]

What is going on with the Knockouts?

Angelina and Daffney get injured so lets bring back Roxxi and push her down everyones throats and give her a title shot just to release her!

Roxxi was a pretty good wrestler. She could hold her own and the crowd was starting to really get behind her.

I'm sad to see ODB go. ODB actually had a gimmick going for her. Though stale at times she was fun and entertaining to watch. She has so much charisma and the people love her.

Now with those 2 gone we are left with the following:

Angelina Love - Glad she is coming back. Right now she is my favorite Knockout.

Daffney - Nothing special

Hamada: Excellent wrestler but will probably be released soon

Lacey Von Erich - Horrible wrestler but she is the future of the KO division

Madison Rayne - Obvious focal point to the divison. Alright worker

Rosie Lottalove - Complete Joke

Sarita - IMO the most well rounded out of all of them. Probably will be released soon too

Taylor Wilde - At one time she was the top dog now she is just being pushed to the side :(

Velvet Sky - No matter how many matches she is in she still hasn't learned anything!

This division use to flourish and now it's just a dud. TNA needs to realize that the Knockouts are a huge draw and they need to fix things and get back to where they were 2 years ago.

In what way? If by nothing special you mean completely unique look and character as well as better in ring abilities than half the girls on that list, then sure.....

[tristram]

The way I look at the Knock-Outs, particularly when you DID have Amazing Kong and ODB was that you had many, many different 'points of difference' in the Knock Out division compared to what can somewhat portrayed as a big racked-up blond/brunette Divas division. I mean, I have time for some of those Divas, don't get me wrong, but here we had a monsterous beast going head to head with a chick who brought a whiskey flask to the ring. It seemed like all their characters had points of difference in their character which gave them a massive wild variety of potential feuds.

What is the status with Kong? Is it definitely all over as far as she goes with TNA? And Cheerleader Melissa?

And the nerve of anyone criticising my mrs, Velvet Sky! :eek:

[Hyde Hill]

Nah not definitely over. They could not agree on a contract extension but they left the door open for a return. Also some people may forget that in the early KO days you also had a lot of mediocre in ring workers wrestling and a lot of multi women wrestlers. Khan, Salinas, Hemme, Brooks. After that the quality of the roster picked up but when D'Amore left the booking declined. Now the roster and the booking are in decline.

[Stennick]

Waltman has been released as well the pwtorch is reporting so yeah I kinda saw that one coming. Tough to work with hep c if you get busted open it could be dangerous.

So now its just Young and Nash. I really wish they would have made Nash the color guy, nothing against Taz but Nash has quick wit.

[Slagaholic]

I like Taz as the color guy. He may have some mixups sometimes but I enjoy seeing his rapport with Mike Tenay grow and grow. If they work together for a while they'll be the best announcing team since JR & King. I think Nash would be an awesome color guy opposite Jeremy Borash (hint hint).

[The Final Countdown]

Team Bornash? Ugh. No thank you. Personally, I don't see Nash making a good color guy. He'd probably be funny, yeah, but he seems like a guy who would be more concerned with getting himself over than selling the characters and the storylines. Just how I read him; maybe he'd prove me wrong.

I don't like Taz much either. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like he's just coasting in TNA and doesn't really give a crap.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I could see Nash being a good colour guy. Nobody really thought JBL would make for one, but he turned into an excellent colour guy. I could see Nash turning out that way.

[The Final Countdown]

I could see Nash being a good colour guy. Nobody really thought JBL would make for one, but he turned into an excellent colour guy. I could see Nash turning out that way.
That's a good point. JBL was awesome.

[LoganRodzen]

Team Bornash? Ugh. No thank you. Personally, I don't see Nash making a good color guy. He'd probably be funny, yeah, but he seems like a guy who would be more concerned with getting himself over than selling the characters and the storylines. Just how I read him; maybe he'd prove me wrong.

I don't like Taz much either. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like he's just coasting in TNA and doesn't really give a crap.

I think you have Nash and Hall mixed up. Nash would be OK with putting some guys over on the microphone and he'd do it in a cool way. Hall on the other hand would bury everyone just so he could look good. My opinion though.

Honestly, when I watch TNA it seems like a lot people are just coasting. Jeff Hardy comes to mind as the biggest coaster and since he's been with Anderson he doesn't seem that way anymore. When he first arrived and started coming out to interfere or to save people it looked horrible because it seemed like he didn't know where he was supposed to be and it made some of the segments look weak. Maybe that's TNA creative though... maybe they're just really vague when they rundown the show backstage and WWE is very thorough. That could be it.

And I think Taz and Tenay have improved as an announce team since I've seen them working together. Anything was better than Don West. If anybody defends that guy as a good announcer... I don't know what to say. :eek:

[Jaysin]

Taz and Tenay are having fun doing something they love and by doing so, they bring fun to the viewer. At least that's the way I look at it.

Taz and JR was the same way in my eyes. JR and Foley seemed that way too.

[Hyde Hill]

Heel Don West wasn't terrible, good? No but more tolerable. Ouch Foley I did not like as CC and Taz and Tenay bring a nice fun laidback atmosphere I like it. Their duo is the best of the on tv duo's though. Now that Stiker and Grisham have gotten less good.

[Jaysin]

Now that Stiker and Grisham have gotten less good.

That baffles me. When Striker and Grisham first started working together on ECW they were the best announce team on TV. Josh and Striker wasn't bad, but Striker and Todd had chemistry. Now it seems like they're forcing Striker to play a character as opposed to what he used to do.

[Stennick]

Josh Matthews is the most underrated play by play guy around. I loved him on Velocity. I'll never forget him mentioning Zero 1 on Velocity.

[Jaysin]

Josh Matthews is the most underrated play by play guy around. I loved him on Velocity. I'll never forget him mentioning Zero 1 on Velocity.

Totally agree about Josh being underrated. I've been a fan of that guy since Tough Enough. He was good on Excess or whatever that random show that was on in the middle of the night. I definitely agree...

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I don't really like Tod Grisham as an announcer. He was awesome on Bottom Line though. I miss him presenting that.

[Stennick]

If memory serves they had Confidential, Smackdown, RAW, Velocity, Heat, Afterburn and maybe one other show with Coach and Trish as the hosts and they'd do a "from the vault" match all on at once.

Of course in 2000 they had RAW, SD, Heat, Metal, Jakked and maybe more. I remember Saturn on Jakked beating the snot out of some kid one time.

[Hyde Hill]

That baffles me. When Striker and Grisham first started working together on ECW they were the best announce team on TV. Josh and Striker wasn't bad, but Striker and Todd had chemistry. Now it seems like they're forcing Striker to play a character as opposed to what he used to do.

If I have to guess seeing as WWECW was a semi dev type thing, they where under less scrutiny and direct communication from the outside (EG Vince yelling in your ear). If they are not brining back JR then they should get rid of Lawler and bring back JBL as he worked well with Cole.

[LoganRodzen]

Read a spoiler that the main event of Victory Road is going to a four-way. You'd think after WWE does a PPV based around that they wouldn't want to do that. I know promotions can't base what they do on what everyone else is doing, but it feels like bad booking. Maybe I'm wrong and it's not a big deal to others. :o

[Stennick]

I don't have a problem with that. If the story I'm trying to tell leads me in that direction then I'm not going to change it based on what the other guys are doing. However TNA does a lot of 3 and 4 way matches it reminds me of 2001 WWE with all their battle royals and what not and WM 2000 where there wasn't a single 1 on 1 match on the card.

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah kinda thought the same, but who cares if it's quality it's quality and if that match outshines the matches from the competition, which it could, it would be a nice reference point. Plus TNA have had the yearly 4 ways to glory match longer then the E has had this ppv. Although that 4 way to glory match has floated around ppv wise. Hmm lately not a lot of 4 ways or 3 ways imho. Since more then a year now they seem to have moved away from the excessive multi man matches on Impact or ppv.

[LoganRodzen]

I agree. I have no problem with it if the story is good, but that was my initial reaction to it for some reason. I'm always jumpin' the gun. :o

[Hyde Hill]

I agree. I have no problem with it if the story is good, but that was my initial reaction to it for some reason. I'm always jumpin' the gun. :o

Nah was my first thought as well, then thought some more and came up with what me and Stennick said.