The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[Slagaholic]

In 24 hours I may no longer be a TNA fan. That is all I have to say.

I swear to god if I see Vince Russo's face on my screen I'm going to throw plastic cutlery at it.

[ampulator]

Your TV is worth more than Russo. It's not worth it.

[Stennick]

I'll give this pay per view one thing its got everybody wondering who They is. They have really built this thing up over the weeks and made people very curious on who They is. If this were a different time I would imagine this would pop a pretty decent buyrate on that alone.

Remember the Higher Power? I remember people suggesting it was Owen Hart, six months after he died....ugh.

Jake Roberts, Ted Dibiase, who knows who else was talked about for the role.

[ampulator]

If it had been Jake Roberts, it would have been worked oh so well. Too bad he had a lot of drug issues. A proper Roberts/Austin fued would have been amazing.

[alden]

I really want to know who they are. This is going to be a make or break moment for tna i think. They have been hyping it for a very long time and they have to pay off. This is tna's mania......They have to live up to all the hype. I do enjoy tna but to be honest i am starting to get a little tired of pulling for them. To be honest nothing right now is making me want to watch the show each week. wwe has nxt, that is making me want to watch right now to be honest. ev 2.0 was making me watch for a while but now i don't care about them much any more. Flairs group has not connected with me to be honest. They need something big and quick.

[Stennick]

So then here is the million dollar question, no who do you think "They" are, not even who you WANT "They" to be. Who is an acceptable answer? Obviously its not a huge signing so who in TNA can "They" be and you're going to be ok with it. So far I've basically gotten Christopher Daniels coming back.

Honestly I don't know who "They" could be that would live up to the hype at this point.

[alden]

Who they could be is a big one to be honest. I think it would be people who have been off screen for a while or someone who already has the "hardcore" gimmick attached to them. I could see ink inc being part of it. They have a hardcore "look" about them. Then you could throw in a guy like raven as a swerve on ev and i really think father james is going to come back. I hate to say it but i think danials is gone from tna. He is in roh rigght now so that leaves him out. I would love to see the fallen angel on tv but i don't think tna is going to allow him to do the full on evil preacher gimmick. A little to dark if it is done corectly.

[ampulator]

So then here is the million dollar question, no who do you think "They" are, not even who you WANT "They" to be. Who is an acceptable answer? Obviously its not a huge signing so who in TNA can "They" be and you're going to be ok with it. So far I've basically gotten Christopher Daniels coming back.

Honestly I don't know who "They" could be that would live up to the hype at this point.

I agree, but to add to your point, even if it IS a huge signing, it wouldn't matter. TNA has signed huge stars, but that hasn't gotten them the best bang for the buck.

[Stennick]

I agree with you about the not doing anything with big signings but atleast for one night and maybe one night only if they did have a big signing atleast you would be able to say "wow they paid it off".

I'm not saying thats what they should do or thats what it would take but honestly at this point I'm almost certain Bischoff is in on this in some form or another.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I'm preparing my self for the inevitable, the normal TNA major letdown.

Here's some video I found on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgfbUQXnYU



Also, I get so confused and lost by everything, what ever happened with the Samoe Joe getting kidnapped storyline?

[ampulator]

I agree with you about the not doing anything with big signings but atleast for one night and maybe one night only if they did have a big signing atleast you would be able to say "wow they paid it off".

I'm not saying thats what they should do or thats what it would take but honestly at this point I'm almost certain Bischoff is in on this in some form or another.

That's just... sad. Not you. Them.

[djthefunkchris]

The Undertaker didn't need Paul Bearer, he did nearly nothing for him. His character was that he was an undead monster who couldn't be harmed. He got over because of that and not due to Paul's mic work.

You really think Rude and Chyna added ANYTHING to DX to get them over? They got over because Shawn's top five all time on mic work.

There is a difference between wrestling Hulk Hogan and being a main eventer. None of those guys had any success when they weren't wrestling Hogan asside from Rude who again didn't need Heenan because he was able to work the stick himself.

If you think any of the JJ Dillon era horseman needed HIM on the mic then I'm not sure what to think. JJ was great in his role but who exactly was a better promo than? Flair? Arn? Ole? Tully?

AAA was a good choice of a guy that got Umaga over and added a lot to him I'll give you that DJ, but Jaguar's examples were not very good. Not a single of those managers did anything to bring their guys to the main event they couldn't do themselves except for the Heenan family who again weren't main eventers Bobby was the main eventer and since he didn't wrestle it would be Heenan family member of the week jobbing to Hogan.

I agree with you that a manager CAN help but Hillbilly Jim was not a main eventer on a national level. I'm talking about more national level since that was were the discussion was. On the local or regional level then certainly a manager is more valuable than the wrestlers since he's more inclined to stick around.

Lets just go through a few you mentioned. Hillbilly Jim was never a main eventer on any real level so did a manager help him? Sure but again this about managers helping at the MAIN EVENT level.

Bundy main evented Wrestlemania II for Heenan but again after that he was largly forgotten and never did anything after that except for a job to Taker a few years later.

Rude certainly didn't need a manager. Of all the people on this list Rude is the guy that didn't need anything. Ox Baker, Kamala those guys weren't main eventers for anything outside of their local territories. They never drew anything nationally and thats more what I'm referring to since the territory system was completely different in every way and its nearly impossible to compare anything that happened in those to anything that happened in NWA/WCW or WWF/E.

Savage REALLY didn't need a manager, Adonis I don't know who his manager was but since the guy was largley gone after Wrestlemania II and never really worked any big money programs I don't know how much a manager did for him. Jim Neidhart was a great tag team guy but never got CLOSE to the main event and again this is talking about managers helping guys become main eventers. Honky Tonk Man and Jimmy Hart were great but he drew near riots WITHOUT Hart so again I really think Jimmy was just icing on the cake. Honkey was over and would have been over regardless. IRS and The Million Dollar Man were GOLD on the mic and really didn't need a manger. Bockwinkel was the man in the AWA and I never saw any need for a manger and in the shows I've watched he's all by himself cutting his own promos. Lanza wasn't a main eventer, Ventura come on man Ventura really didn't need a manager. We could go on and on but really most of the guys you listed were mid card guys in the WWF during the 80's and a manager helped them but didn't make them main eventers.

When talking about a manager making a guy into a main eventer and him CLEARLY being the reason why I would say Armando and Heyman are the only examples I can come up with and truth be told if they let Brock play around in the mid card for a year without pushing him to the top so quick Heyman wouldn't have been needed. However they didn't and so Heyman's mic work really made Brock that first year.

Again I'm not saying Managers don't help I'm saying very rarely do manager bring a guy to the main event and he STAYS there. I'm talking more than just a token run against the face.

Apples and Oranges my friend. I was debating a different point it looks like. There is only a couple things in your whole post I would dispute, but it's off topic, as far as manager's go. I will say one thing on topic before I go there though..

On Topic: I do think manager's help/helped bring out some talent then no one knew about. At that time I sometimes would know all this stuff about someone before even seeing them, just by listening to the Manager, whom alot of times would be at the announce table, talking about them. "Just wait till Hillbilly Jim comes out, he's HUGE, I'm talking Monstrous. Makes Hogan look like a Midget!" etc. Not exact phrase, but you get my point. This might be said over the course of a few shows before I even was able to see him, and by then.... He would be "HUGE" and make Hogan look like a Midget, in my eyes anyways. People like Big John Studd, and other's, that a manager promoted, in my opinion, would have had to show up alot more often before I remembered who they were. Now, that's not saying they were at WWE level of overness, or even Main Eventer's for a long time... but still, they opened bigger then they would have.

Now, for the off topic part. Although the Territory days weren't full of national TV shows, and such... These guys were known nationally. I knew guys in the South, I knew guys in the North, the West, etc. These shows might not have been shown all over, but alot of the worker's showed up all over, and were everybit as popular as current Main Eventer's are today. People like Paul Orndorff, Superfly Snuka, etc. these guys weren't only known in their territories, but all over the country.

I know you understand what I mean, but too many times people will read similar posts like the one you made, and think of the territories as "Indie" type promotions, if you were to compare them to todays standards.... and they were MUCH bigger. Regional would be about right, in TEW standards, but in the real world the worker's themselves were alot more over then TEW Standard Regional Promotions would be able to keep... let alone sign them like WWE did. Someone like Andre the Giant was known all over the world, probably one of the most recognized people in the world outside of Muhammed Ali, at the time. Yet, he would show up and even stay at regional sized promotions.

Just wanted to clarify that, as it bugs me sometimes... I grew up in the Hogan, Andre, and even a bit of Billy Graham era... Roddy Piper when we were watching Roddy Piper's pit, etc. I was actually watching the show when he hit Snuka with that Coconut... couldn't wait for Snuka to get him back (they never show that, but it happened).

[|Anderz|]

Remember the Higher Power? I remember people suggesting it was Owen Hart, six months after he died....ugh.

Jake Roberts, Ted Dibiase, who knows who else was talked about for the role.

completely irrelevant, but the Higher Power was revealed only a few weeks after Owen's death.. it doesnt affect your point, im just being picky :p

[djthefunkchris]

In 24 hours I may no longer be a TNA fan. That is all I have to say.

I swear to god if I see Vince Russo's face on my screen I'm going to throw plastic cutlery at it.

Well, I doubt it will be Paul Heyman... I do think he will eventually get in there though.

What's Kevin Sullivan and James Mitchell up to these days?

[dvdWarrior]

It'd be a real trip if 'They' turned out to be a reunited 3-Count, with The Monster Abyss as their biggest fanboy.

Break out your green circles, gentlemen. It's time to dance.

:eek:

[LoNdOn]

I know its designed to get people to watch Reaction.. but its really alienating UK fans (and any others who dont get Reaction)

the last couple of weeks Ive though Impact has ended a little abrupt and its made me think that TNA are stupid.. my thoughts were 'I know you tape this weeks in advance, so why cant you edit it to fit two hours?' this live Impact was the first time I was made aware that it would overrun to Reaction.. so Ive had to download it just to see the end of Impact.. why not just run a 3 hour live Impact?

silly decision if im honest.. I hope the extra viewers for Reaction are worth pissing off people not in the States..

oh, and on the notion of trying to get Bravo to pick up Reaction.. they dont even show the ppvs or Xplosion (theyre on Extreme Sports) so I doubt theyll bother with Reaction..

What I think is ridiculous is that the UK is TNA's most profitable market and they decide to do this??? Wow. :eek:

[sebsplex]

So then here is the million dollar question, no who do you think "They" are, not even who you WANT "They" to be. Who is an acceptable answer? Obviously its not a huge signing so who in TNA can "They" be and you're going to be ok with it. So far I've basically gotten Christopher Daniels coming back.

Honestly I don't know who "They" could be that would live up to the hype at this point.

My worst fear is some sort of Bash at the Beach NWO formation recreation.

Sting, Nash and Pope vs Jarrett & Joe is now a handicap match. BFG is being held at Daytona Beach. Hogan shown in hospital despite being hyped to be 'at' the live Impact... I know he's had issues with his back, but so much so that he couldn't still turn up and swing a chair or something. The Abyss termination contract that Bischoff magic'ed up for Dixie to sign (Abyss was of course Hogan's mini-me protege not long ago).

Jarrett and Joe screwed over, Hogan heel turn, possibly alligned with Sting (Nash is supposed to be leaving TNA after BFG by all accounts unless that's some sort of work) Bischoff in control... I probably cry, because such an outcome would hardly take TNA into an exciting new era.

[Fleisch]

The only logical step in the "They" saga would be Eric Bischoff & Miss Tesmacher... but once it's revealed it's not going to boost the ratings. It's going to fizzle into nothing like every other TNA storyline has done. With Nash already stating he is leaving TNA when his contract ends (sure BFG is his last appearance) the whole Nash/Sting/Dinero v. Jarrett & Joe story isn't going anywhere after Bound For Glory so there'll be no bringing together of those storylines. Sting will probably do another disappearing act and Pope will end up bouncing around just out of the main event scene. Bischoff will play the "bad guy promoter" which has been done to death and is really quite boring now. No doubt it will follow the same rehashed formula of "gets into it with face, makes face's life hell, face eventually gets revenge" Yawn.

TNA is a sinking ship, and Kevin Nash has managed to get his ass on a lifeboat out of it! I really wish TNA would just stop, think and plan a simple yet effective storyline for a change instead of these rehashed or over complicated storylines that go nowhere.

[Hyde Hill]

Made a run down of options for another place on "They". Ill give my opinion on whether It would be Good, let down or in the middle for me.


a) The Band aka NWO coming back together. Let down

b) AAA, TNA's Mexican partner, invasion. Let down

c) Return of James Mitchell with friends. Middle

d) Group of TNA Originals. Good

e) Heel turn by big name(s) Hardy, Anderson etc. Middle

f) ROH faction, no3 promotion in the US. Middle

g) Voices in Abyss's head. Let Down

h) Dixie's parents. Let Down

i) ex WWE group. Middle

j) Heyman with friends. Middle

k) Combination of the above or something not mentioned. Depends

[Johnny Fenoli]

I'm preparing my self for the inevitable, the normal TNA major letdown.

Here's some video I found on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgfbUQXnYU



Also, I get so confused and lost by everything, what ever happened with the Samoe Joe getting kidnapped storyline?


quoting myself here... anyone got an answer for me?

[LordJaguar]

The Samoa Joe Kidnapp angle was dropped turned into Joe in the NAtion of Violence which was dropped and turned into Joe in the MEM which was dropped too.

They will probably be Hogan, Bischoff, Jarret, and Sting which is stoopid although not the Original They due to NAsh leaving...

They SHOULD be AJ Styles, Hernandez, Daniels with Cornett as the voice.

[Johnny Fenoli]

The Samoa Joe Kidnapp angle was dropped turned into Joe in the NAtion of Violence which was dropped and turned into Joe in the MEM which was dropped too.

They will probably be Hogan, Bischoff, Jarret, and Sting which is stoopid although not the Original They due to NAsh leaving...

They SHOULD be AJ Styles, Hernandez, Daniels with Cornett as the voice.

that's what I thought...

Why can't they just close out storylines? even if it's something ultra simple, just to bring fruition to things... frustrates me when wrestling companies do that crap...


In my TEW game, "THEY" was Legion... (Mark 5:9 "And [Jesus] asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many." This is when talking to the demons possessing a person.)

Legion in my game was a ministry of darkness type of stable, consisting of:

Abyss
Father Mitchell
Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels
Cucuy (Black Pain aka Big Papi Sanchez)
Daffney
JaRVi the JiaNT
SiNN
Judas Mesias
Raven
SeVen


They pretty much "haunted" Hulk Hogan, RVD, Jeff Hardy and the incoming Matt Hardy.

[sabataged]

I am just hoping Russo plays some mind games even if it is for one night only. Like as the show goes on the air they show Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, Chris Storm, and whoever else outside the arena. The announcers speculate that the oringals are THEY. Then during the lethal lockdown match WWE cast offs Haas, Benjamin, Carlito, and whoever else they got show up and interfere. The announcers are confident that the WWE guys are THEY. During the 3 on 2 match, Nash is taken out, then Pope and Samoa Joe turn on thier partners, beating down Sting and Jarrett. Then the main event comes along, Bischoff comes out to help Mr. Anderson win. Abyss comes out to destroy Angle and Hardy. Bischoff, Anderson, and Abyss are celebrating in the ring when Sting and Jarrett come to the ring. Pope and Samoa Joe show back up for the beat down. So THEY is a Bischoff lead regime lead by the new World Champ Mr. Anderson, Abyss, Samoa Joe, and Pope. Bischoff gets around the whole firing Abyss because he really tricked Dixie into signing the company over to him.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I am just hoping Russo plays some mind games even if it is for one night only. Like as the show goes on the air they show Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, Chris Storm, and whoever else outside the arena. The announcers speculate that the oringals are THEY. Then during the lethal lockdown match WWE cast offs Haas, Benjamin, Carlito, and whoever else they got show up and interfere. The announcers are confident that the WWE guys are THEY. During the 3 on 2 match, Nash is taken out, then Pope and Samoa Joe turn on thier partners, beating down Sting and Jarrett. Then the main event comes along, Bischoff comes out to help Mr. Anderson win. Abyss comes out to destroy Angle and Hardy. Bischoff, Anderson, and Abyss are celebrating in the ring when Sting and Jarrett come to the ring. Pope and Samoa Joe show back up for the beat down. So THEY is a Bischoff lead regime lead by the new World Champ Mr. Anderson, Abyss, Samoa Joe, and Pope. Bischoff gets around the whole firing Abyss because he really tricked Dixie into signing the company over to him.


That last line is what I think actually will/ did happen...

also, your whole scenario would be cool.

[eayragt]

that's what I thought...

Why can't they just close out storylines? even if it's something ultra simple, just to bring fruition to things... frustrates me when wrestling companies do that crap...


In my TEW game, "THEY" was Legion... (Mark 5:9 "And [Jesus] asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many." This is when talking to the demons possessing a person.)

Legion in my game was a ministry of darkness type of stable, consisting of:

Abyss
Father Mitchell
Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels
Cucuy (Black Pain aka Big Papi Sanchez)
Daffney
JaRVi the JiaNT
SiNN
Judas Mesias
Raven
SeVen


They pretty much "haunted" Hulk Hogan, RVD, Jeff Hardy and the incoming Matt Hardy.

I'm quite happy for something like this - however, they can bring in workers who haven't worked occult gimmicks at all - for example, I'm sure that Austin Aries could pull it off. What I want to see if there is a group like this is for them to be given some form of identity tonight. I don't just want it to be a bunch of people and then we have to wait to Impact for them to justify that "they" are really a big deal. A good way to have done that would be to bloodbath RVD - but that happened only two months ago, so that's out the window.

[masterded]

I got to get TNA some credit I am kind of hyped that it is 10-10-10 today and we finally get to see They. That being said I am sick of the 10-10-10 it only happens once every 100 years thing they keep saying. News flash that is true for every date written like that 10-9-10 happens once every 100 years. Plus if they mean the same number for all three then it has happen the last 9 years and will happen the next 2 years.

[alden]

The Samoa Joe Kidnapp angle was dropped turned into Joe in the NAtion of Violence which was dropped and turned into Joe in the MEM which was dropped too.

They will probably be Hogan, Bischoff, Jarret, and Sting which is stoopid although not the Original They due to NAsh leaving...

They SHOULD be AJ Styles, Hernandez, Daniels with Cornett as the voice.

Actuly i might be wrong on this one but i think the time table is off here. the mem was first, then he started the nation of violence stuff cutting up people, he then got kidnapped to basicly make people forget about the nation of violence stuff and he came back with his old look without the face pant and back to the old trunks. Nothing came out of the "kidnapping" if i remember. My time frame might be off but i think that is how it went down.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Actuly i might be wrong on this one but i think the time table is off here. the mem was first, then he started the nation of violence stuff cutting up people, he then got kidnapped to basicly make people forget about the nation of violence stuff and he came back with his old look without the face pant and back to the old trunks. Nothing came out of the "kidnapping" if i remember. My time frame might be off but i think that is how it went down.



SO.... THEY kidnapped him... brain washed him... and turned him back into his ORIGINAL self, his TNA ORIGINAL self.... :eek:

[djthefunkchris]

I fear it's going to be a big let-down.... So I'm not going to get to hyped for it.

However, if they do bring Kevin Sullivan and Mitchell, and some really "evil" looking people into the frey, I'm going to love it.

Can't help wondering if it's going to be alot of WCW types though... which is going to be a letdown for me.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I fear it's going to be a big let-down.... So I'm not going to get to hyped for it.

However, if they do bring Kevin Sullivan and Mitchell, and some really "evil" looking people into the frey, I'm going to love it.

Can't help wondering if it's going to be alot of WCW types though... which is going to be a letdown for me.

Yeah, I'm prepared for a major let down... no faith anymore... :(

Any of you TNA heads able to put together a list of clues? Things that Abyss has said to hint who it could be....

[LordJaguar]

Here is a little tidbit that may provide insight into who they are...

-Spoilers! A commercial for TNA’s Turning Point pay-per-view in November is advertising Abyss vs. Sting and Kurt Angle defending the World Heavyweight Title against Rob Van Dam.

Reported on Lords of Pain...

[1234]

Actuly i might be wrong on this one but i think the time table is off here. the mem was first, then he started the nation of violence stuff cutting up people, he then got kidnapped to basicly make people forget about the nation of violence stuff and he came back with his old look without the face pant and back to the old trunks. Nothing came out of the "kidnapping" if i remember. My time frame might be off but i think that is how it went down.

The correct time line would be :

Nation Of Violence --> Main Event Mafia --> Face Turn To Face AJ for the title (When NoV died) --> Abduction --> Return as bad***.

And absolutely nothing came out of the kidnapping, but maybe it will tonight.

[LordJaguar]

The correct time line would be :

Nation Of Violence --> Main Event Mafia --> Face Turn To Face AJ for the title (When NoV died) --> Abduction --> Return as bad***.

And absolutely nothing came out of the kidnapping, but maybe it will tonight.

Storylines so bad we TNA fans can't even keep them straight!

[Hyde Hill]

Actuly i might be wrong on this one but i think the time table is off here. the mem was first, then he started the nation of violence stuff cutting up people, he then got kidnapped to basicly make people forget about the nation of violence stuff and he came back with his old look without the face pant and back to the old trunks. Nothing came out of the "kidnapping" if i remember. My time frame might be off but i think that is how it went down.

Nope it was Frontline Joe vs MEM, Nation Of Violence Joe vs MEM, Nation Of Violence Joe in MEM, Heel Joe vs AJ, Face Joe vs AJ, abduction, back as Badass Joe.

The abduction more or less reset his gimmick and washed away some of his losses etc. And no it hasn't been explained yet or maybe ever.

oops just noticed beaten to the punch. And yeah Joe got played for a rag doll 2009 to early 2010.

[Hyde Hill]

Here is a little tidbit that may provide insight into who they are...

-

Reported on Lords of Pain...

Ehm please white out possible spoilers next time.

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah, I'm prepared for a major let down... no faith anymore... :(

Any of you TNA heads able to put together a list of clues? Things that Abyss has said to hint who it could be....

No real clues more storylines like the Joe kidnapping that need clarification. A lot of things point to Bisch though. As Abyss has never attacked him and let himself get talked down by Bisch, Bisch gave a strong speech to Joe before the abduction to find his old self again, Bisch was hinted at being not on Hogan's side pre Lockdown, Bisch went over Dixie's head making it a three way.

As far as Abyss hints well the weapon's are named after Dixie's parents but that is more inside humour imho. For the rest "They" are coming and going after Dixie and then Hogan (note did not say Bisch) and are taking over. So "They" are probably pissed at current and past TNA management or an outside force.

The Sting deception storyline is definitely Hogan and Bisch but Sting has not been real clear evidence wise etc yet.

How it will tie into "They" is uncertain but Bisch being behind or leading "They" seems logicial.

[LordJaguar]

Ehm please white out possible spoilers next time.

I just did...my bad

[LordJaguar]

No real clues more storylines like the Joe kidnapping that need clarification. A lot of things point to Bisch though. As Abyss has never attacked him and let himself get talked down by Bisch, Bisch gave a strong speech to Joe before the abduction to find his old self again, Bisch was hinted at being not on Hogan's side pre Lockdown, Bisch went over Dixie's head making it a three way.

As far as Abyss hints well the weapon's are named after Dixie's parents but that is more inside humour imho. For the rest "They" are coming and going after Dixie and then Hogan (note did not say Bisch) and are taking over. So "They" are probably pissed at current and past TNA management or an outside force.

The Sting deception storyline is definitely Hogan and Bisch but Sting has not been real clear evidence wise etc yet.

How it will tie into "They" is uncertain but Bisch being behind or leading "They" seems logicial.

Maybe they is Bischoff but even Hogan doesn't know...and Sting is with Bischoff and his whole angle has been misdirection?

[pate]

My biggest hope is Daniels and/or Aries and/or Father Mitchell doing an occult stable. But Bischoff doesn't really tie into that kind of thing, unless Dixie signing the papers was just something to throw people off.

[Hyde Hill]

My biggest hope is Daniels and/or Aries and/or Father Mitchell doing an occult stable. But Bischoff doesn't really tie into that kind of thing, unless Dixie signing the papers was just something to throw people off.

Or the Deception storyline and the "They" storyline are not linked and Bisch is just taking advantage of the situation.

[Johnny Fenoli]

No real clues more storylines like the Joe kidnapping that need clarification. A lot of things point to Bisch though. As Abyss has never attacked him and let himself get talked down by Bisch, Bisch gave a strong speech to Joe before the abduction to find his old self again, Bisch was hinted at being not on Hogan's side pre Lockdown, Bisch went over Dixie's head making it a three way.

As far as Abyss hints well the weapon's are named after Dixie's parents but that is more inside humour imho. For the rest "They" are coming and going after Dixie and then Hogan (note did not say Bisch) and are taking over. So "They" are probably pissed at current and past TNA management or an outside force.

The Sting deception storyline is definitely Hogan and Bisch but Sting has not been real clear evidence wise etc yet.

How it will tie into "They" is uncertain but Bisch being behind or leading "They" seems logicial.

Thanks for the recap. Would be interesting if TNA put together something like this as a video package at the beginning or as part of the PPV... but then they'd be forced to follow through with answers to the questions huh?

[pate]

Or the Deception storyline and the "They" storyline are not linked and Bisch is just taking advantage of the situation.

Indeed.

Anything as long as They doesn't involve Russo or voices in the head.

[cmdrsam]

I present to you a what if scenerio. Shane O left the WWE on 01/01/10. What if this is a play on the numbers game 10/10/10 and its Shane O himself on the "They" situation. I know, not realistic but we could hope couldn't we?

[Johnny Fenoli]

I present to you a what if scenerio. Shane O left the WWE on 01/01/10. What if this is a play on the numbers game 10/10/10 and its Shane O himself on the "They" situation. I know, not realistic but we could hope couldn't we?

What would be hoping for? Why would we want Shane McMahon in TNA?

[cmdrsam]

Shock value. I think it would send a shock wave through the wrestling world. Shane is still young enough to have a feel for what the younger generation may want, yet old enough from his time under dad to exploit it. I dont know thought it would be cool, now that you rained on my parade. :mad: lol just teasing.

[Self]

Or the Deception storyline and the "They" storyline are not linked and Bisch is just taking advantage of the situation.

Totally read that as 'Decepticon'. Now hoping that 'They' are Megatron and Starscream. Quite frankly it's the only possible revelation that would make me want to watch Impact.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Shock value. I think it would send a shock wave through the wrestling world. Shane is still young enough to have a feel for what the younger generation may want, yet old enough from his time under dad to exploit it. I dont know thought it would be cool, now that you rained on my parade. :mad: lol just teasing.

That's true, people would be like "holy crap!" and maybe they turn over for a couple more weeks.

Also true that maybe he has a feel for how to run things since he grew up in WWE, in particular during it's Attitude Era... Though I dont think he had anything to do with creative... But still...

I'm Shane O' Mac fan... but if he's "THEY" then "THEY" needs to include Pete Gas, Rodney and Joey Abs.... OH YEAH

Wasn't trying to crap on your idea, I really wanted to hear why you thought they should want Shane. I for one, would rather see something in the vain of the New Church, Ministry of Darkness, and Dungeon of Doom. I like EEEVIL....

[Johnny Fenoli]

Totally read that as 'Decepticon'. Now hoping that 'They' are Megatron and Starscream. Quite frankly it's the only possible revelation that would make me want to watch Impact.

:D

The Decepticons could be the most dangerous stable in all of wrestling history.

:eek:

[Hyde Hill]

Totally read that as 'Decepticon'. Now hoping that 'They' are Megatron and Starscream. Quite frankly it's the only possible revelation that would make me want to watch Impact.

LOLZ:D, a transformer gimmick! Has it been done before? I've seen Mario and Robocop but Starscream?

[dvdWarrior]

I have no idea who THEY! might be, but if I remember correctly, THEM! were giant mutated ants, so THEY! might be giant mutated spiders.

It's a thought.

:o

[masterded]

I have no idea who THEY! might be, but if I remember correctly, THEM! were giant mutated ants, so THEY! might be giant mutated spiders.

It's a thought.

:o

The second I heard about Canadians trying to splice spider DNA with goat DNA I knew it was only a matter of time before we either had giant spiders or some weird goat-spider hybrid make its way to America. Though coming to Florida first is a bot of a shock.
:D

[Stennick]

Remember when Jay Lethal and the Pope were the break out babyfaces of TNA this year and looked like they were both going to be certified main event babyfaces by the end of the year?

Neither does TNA.

Pope is thrown into some storyline for purposes I'm still not sure of and Jay Lethal who by the way was feuding with Ric Flair a few months back isn't on the biggest pay per view of the year.

[Johnny Fenoli]

To rule out Paul Heyman as being any part of "THEY" or TNA in general... Would it be some form of conflict of interest if he did. Being that he recently signed a deal with EA to promote the new MMA game, and Spike has the UFC deal? Seeing as supposedly Spike would have been part of the deal to get Heyman in TNA...

[Hyde Hill]

Remember when Jay Lethal and the Pope were the break out babyfaces of TNA this year and looked like they were both going to be certified main event babyfaces by the end of the year?

Neither does TNA.

Pope is thrown into some storyline for purposes I'm still not sure of and Jay Lethal who by the way was feuding with Ric Flair a few months back isn't on the biggest pay per view of the year.

Ehm he is on the ppv they just didn't promote it at all. Which is almost as bad.

[Stennick]

Oh I see now I didn't see his name on the card my apologies. No offense to Doug Williams but going from Ric Flair, AJ Styles to Doug Williams is sort of a let down. Oh well maybe this was their plan for Lethal all along. Completely re invent him so he can wrestle on un promoted ppv matches. Is it fair to assume that given his card placement and promotion time that he's viewed on the same level as Ink Inc, OJ and other such people?

[Hyde Hill]

Oh I see now I didn't see his name on the card my apologies. No offense to Doug Williams but going from Ric Flair, AJ Styles to Doug Williams is sort of a let down. Oh well maybe this was their plan for Lethal all along. Completely re invent him so he can wrestle on un promoted ppv matches. Is it fair to assume that given his card placement and promotion time that he's viewed on the same level as Ink Inc, OJ and other such people?

Just above as he gets more ReAction segments and stuff. BTW that whole Lethal push was originally slated for Pope till he got injured. And yeah it's dumb of TNA not to fully capitalize and do the EV2 and Deception thing as higher priorities. Or just instead of talking about his house in Jersey on Impact, move that to ReAction and have him do a short promo??? It's not that hard TNA seriously. I know it's harder then most people think but some of the stuff just grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Also no need to apologize. It happens.

[Stennick]

Glad to see you agree Hyde that Lethal could be a legit upper mid card to main event status right now if that feud with Flair goes differently.

The EV2 taking overtaking Lethal's feud with Fortune was dumb. Pope getting injured took some of his momentum away but none the less I don't think this is the right storyline for him at all. Same could be said for Joe but over the last four years they always find a way to screw Joe's push up so I've given up hope that they can ever properly book Joe as a main eventer.

[Hyde Hill]

Well I did agree moving him to X Division champ and a feud there post Flair, although they forgot the 3d rubber match, but I didn't agree putting the feud on Xplosion and or forgetting about it afterwards.

[Stennick]

I didn't agree moving him into the X Division. In my eyes if your feuding with Ric Flair you need to be set for big things. Lethal had everything he needed to be a main eventer. I would have agreed if putting him the X Division was a way of legitimizing it again and then have someone take it off of him in a few months and allow him to move up the card but it didn't work like that.

[jwt13]

Big pop for the Guns

[Stennick]

Gen Me vs. MCMG to start things off

[jwt13]

Thats anice sized crowd anybody know how many are there?

[jwt13]

MCMG win in a 5 star match

[Stennick]

That was not a five star match lol.

There was zero psychology in the match a guy was german suplexed from the top rope and was still standing.

GREAT high spots match but zero selling outside of Sabin.

Awesome opening match, great match but not five stars.

Plus they won on a CROSSBODY after all of those high flying moves? Come on thats kinda lame.

[Johnny Fenoli]

MCMG win in a 5 star match

Lil generous with the stars there aint cha?


Big Crowd, for TNA...

[jwt13]

Lil generous with the stars there aint cha?


Big Crowd, for TNA...

just a little bit:o I love spot fest so im a little biased :)

[Johnny Fenoli]

Madison Rayne has really come into her own... She went from a beautiful people tag along... to the best performer of all of them....

[Stennick]

I agree Madison is pretty darn good at working the stick......this is a pg forum fellas take it easy :D

[Johnny Fenoli]

I agree Madison is pretty darn good at working the stick......this is a pg forum fellas take it easy :D

LOL

I've never been this interested in a WWE Divas match....

[Stennick]

I dig the BP's entrance music btw oh and their entrance isn't so bad either :D

[jwt13]

LOL

I've never been this interested in a WWE Divas match....

Same here the divas really suck now

[Johnny Fenoli]

Madison cracks me up... That bird is BONKERS!!!!

[jwt13]

lol Taz and Tenay are awesome imo

[Stennick]

EY is awesome

[Johnny Fenoli]

Crazy Eric Young is a great comedy act, but seems like it might get old. The getting confused what team he's on thing, that is.

This is hilarious!

[Johnny Fenoli]

Eric Young just dominated, and lost... lol

[haloed]

I really enjoyed Eric Young in that match. He had me cracking up the whole match.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Great............ Lethal stuck in a program with the Jersey Vacum.... the guy who sucks the life out of an audience...........

[Stennick]

So like I was saying Hyde, Lethal is on the same level as Ink Inc, their feuding with EY while Lethal is feuding with Robbie G.

[jwt13]

Could they be Vince Russo

[Johnny Fenoli]

Who's running TNA? You debut Robbie E/G whatever... he gets a HORRIBLE reaction..... 3 days later... you put him in a program for the X DIVISION TITLE??????

[Slagaholic]

I wouldn't put EY and OJ on the same level as Robbie G just yet. The guy hasn't even had a match yet.

[Slagaholic]

Who's running TNA? You debut Robbie E/G whatever... he gets a HORRIBLE reaction..... 3 days later... you put him in a program for the X DIVISION TITLE??????

He hasn't even had a match yet.

If he had just disappeared completely people would be bitching at TNA for not sticking with anything.

[Johnny Fenoli]

He hasn't even had a match yet.

If he had just disappeared completely people would be bitching at TNA for not sticking with anything.

Exactly.... and he debuted with a horrible crowd reaction to his promo on Thursday.

[Stennick]

so are you saying a guy without a single match is higher in the card than Ey and Oj?

[Slagaholic]

And a horrible crowd reaction on a debut means you get rid of the guy? Give him at least a match. That's all I'm saying.

[Slagaholic]

so are you saying a guy without a single match is higher in the card than Ey and Oj?

Yes. The guy without a single match that had promos for months leading to his (very chilly) debut is higher on the card than a comedy duo that together hasn't won a match since god knows when.

I think if Shore was debuting in the segment tonight he would be much better off.

[Astil]

And a horrible crowd reaction on a debut means you get rid of the guy? Give him at least a match. That's all I'm saying.


NOT for the title.

[Slagaholic]

Someone not named Abyss or Mick Foley taking a barbed wire bump? WHAT!?

[The Stallion]

Good PPV so far. However I think MMG and Gen Me has stolen the show so far.

[Slagaholic]

NOT for the title.

As far as making sense of him getting a title shot, they sure did that tonight.

It's not like he debuted and then on the next Impact is challenging Lethal for the X-Division title.

[Slagaholic]

That was by far the best Abyss vs RVD match. Too many spots to expose either guy's weaknesses like their previous encounters did.

[Astil]

As far as making sense of him getting a title shot, they sure did that tonight.

It's not like he debuted and then on the next Impact is challenging Lethal for the X-Division title.

No. No no no. he doesn't deserve it.

Neither in character or behind the curtain.

[Slagaholic]

Why does Eric Bischoff love promo videos of Sting in the rain? He did the same thing in basically every WCW Sting PPV match promo.

[Slagaholic]

No. No no no. he doesn't deserve it.
That's the point of the attack. It gets him a title shot that he definitely doesn't deserve. It's not like this has never been done in pro wrestling before.

Heel shows up, attacks face champion to goad him into giving him a title shot.

Neither in character or behind the curtain.
Who the **** are you to make that determination? Do you know Robbie G personally? Do you know a damn thing that goes on in the TNA locker room that isn't from the dirtsheets? If you do and know for sure that Robbie G doesn't work his ass off or is a problem in the back, I'll take this post back.

If you're throwing statements like that around when you know the same things about TNA's backstage situation and Robbie G's personal life that anyone with a browser and 15 free minutes can find out, shut the **** up about what any wrestler deserves when you don't know a damn thing about them for sure.

[jwt13]

That's the point of the attack. It gets him a title shot that he definitely doesn't deserve. It's not like this has never been done in pro wrestling before.

Heel shows up, attacks face champion to goad him into giving him a title shot.


Who the **** are you to make that determination? Do you know Robbie G personally? Do you know a damn thing that goes on in the TNA locker room that isn't from the dirtsheets? If you do and know for sure that Robbie G doesn't work hard, is a problem in the back, I'll take it back. If you're throwing statements like that around when you know the same things about TNA's backstage situation and Robbie G's personal life that anyone with Google and 15 minutes can find out, shut the **** up.

why are taking up for this guy so much calm down from what ive seen in TNA he sucks and should NOT be in any title match

[Astil]

That's the point of the attack. It gets him a title shot that he definitely doesn't deserve. It's not like this has never been done in pro wrestling before.

Heel shows up, attacks face champion to goad him into giving him a title shot.


Who the **** are you to make that determination? Do you know Robbie G personally? Do you know a damn thing that goes on in the TNA locker room that isn't from the dirtsheets? If you do and know for sure that Robbie G doesn't work hard, is a problem in the back, I'll take it back. If you're throwing statements like that around when you know the same things about TNA's backstage situation and Robbie G's personal life that anyone with Google and 15 minutes can find out, shut the **** up.

I love when people use personal/angry attacks. It means they have no argument.

The IMPACT zone fans crapped on his debut. The IMPACT zone fans. The easiest fans to get to cheer, crapped on his debut. I don't care if he's Ghandi he doesn't deserve it behind the curtain.

[jwt13]

Didnt see the JJ Swerve coming

[Slagaholic]

why are taking up for this guy so much calm down from what ive seen in TNA he sucks and should NOT be in any title match

Because it annoys me when people are calling for a WRESTLER to lose his job due to a ****ty gimmick when he hasn't even had a single match yet.

His character "sucks" but he's had exactly 1.2 promos in his time. You hate the character but you're supposed to hate him. I've already explained how they give him a title match. You're acting like he's main eventing WrestleMania for chrissakes. It's the X-Division title and it's not 2005. Giving Robbie G a title shot isn't an affront wrestling.

[Astil]

Glad to see the 'log in the punch bowl' continuing.

...and that promo looked like they cut it prematurely...

[Johnny Fenoli]

I know Nash says he's gone... but... God I hope THEY isn't Bischoff, Sting, Jarrett, Dinero, and Nash, maybe.... looks like it will be.

[Astil]

Because it annoys me when people are calling for a WRESTLER to lose his job due to a ****ty gimmick when he hasn't even had a single match yet.

His character "sucks" but he's had exactly 1.2 promos in his time. You hate the character but you're supposed to hate him. I've already explained how they give him a title match. You're acting like he's main eventing WrestleMania for chrissakes. It's the X-Division title and it's not 2005. Giving Robbie G a title shot isn't an affront wrestling.

No no. It's not hate. It's change the channel indifference. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I don't think he should be fired, but lets get one or two wins before a challenge.

[Stennick]

I missed the end of the handicap match what happened?

[Johnny Fenoli]

Because it annoys me when people are calling for a WRESTLER to lose his job due to a ****ty gimmick when he hasn't even had a single match yet.

His character "sucks" but he's had exactly 1.2 promos in his time. You hate the character but you're supposed to hate him. I've already explained how they give him a title match. You're acting like he's main eventing WrestleMania for chrissakes. It's the X-Division title and it's not 2005. Giving Robbie G a title shot isn't an affront wrestling.

Umm, dont know if you knwo this or not, but on my TV screen HE IS THAT CHARACTER... His character, isn't working so far... There for he shouldn't be a major player... Let him start over, let the character get over. whatever... no title shot for you. sorry Robbie and Slag...

[jwt13]

I missed the end of the handicap match what happened?

Joe went for the tag JJ left him Sting/Nash/Pope tied to tell him we told you so but Joe tried to fight them off and ended up loseing

[Stennick]

Who pinned him? Sting?

[jwt13]

Who pinned him? Sting?

Nash

[Stennick]

Kinda weird giving Nash the pin when he's leaving and all but ok.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Team 3D are officially retired... but, they want one more match for the title... therefore not officially retired. Going to be retired... Thought maybe they where going to do the match right there, ehhh....

[Slagaholic]

I love when people use personal/angry attacks. It means they have no argument.
You were the first to make personal attacks when you used a personal attack on Robbie G a character played by a person you don't know at all who is in a business that you think you know everything about but you really don't.

The IMPACT zone fans crapped on his debut. The IMPACT zone fans. The easiest fans to get to cheer, crapped on his debut.
So he should be fired and the character scrapped before he has one single match. Bad debut? Here's a pink slip! If TNA fired everyone who has a segment that bombed to the IMPACT zone fans they would have a dozen members of the roster.

I don't care if he's Ghandi he doesn't deserve it behind the curtain.
You seem to have either ignored my point or you're just a silly goose. You don't know a thing about behind the curtain so making any determination about what ANYONE deserves "behind the curtain" shows just how conceited you are.

[jwt13]

Kinda weird giving Nash the pin when he's leaving and all but ok.

Im still not beliving he will leave.

[Slagaholic]

Umm, dont know if you knwo this or not, but on my TV screen HE IS THAT CHARACTER... His character, isn't working so far... There for he shouldn't be a major player... Let him start over, let the character get over. whatever... no title shot for you. sorry Robbie and Slag...

An X-Division title shot (that none of us know for sure he'd get) = major player? Really? Is Shannon Moore a major player?

[jwt13]

They are Jancie and Bob Carter

[Slagaholic]

No no. It's not hate. It's change the channel indifference. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I don't think he should be fired, but lets get one or two wins before a challenge.

We don't even know if he'll get a title shot yet. Let's stop working off of that assumption.

[Slagaholic]

They are Jancie and Bob Carter

"I've been cheating on you Dixie...with Janice!" SWERVE~!

[jwt13]

"I've been cheating on you Dixie...with Janice!" SWERVE~!

Janice Carter is related to Dixie she also owns part of Panda Energy

[Stennick]

Janice Carter is related to Dixie she also owns part of Panda Energy

What does that have to do with Slag's post?

Thats why he said "cheating on you with Janice" because Janice is his weapon but its also Dixie's mom.

[jwt13]

What does that have to do with Slag's post?

Thats why he said "cheating on you with Janice" because Janice is his weapon but its also Dixie's mom.

I read his post wrong sorry:o

[Astil]

You were the first to make personal attacks when you used a personal attack on Robbie G a character played by a person you don't know at all who is in a business that you think you know everything about but you really don't.


So he should be fired and the character scrapped before he has one single match. Bad debut? Here's a pink slip! If TNA fired everyone who has a segment that bombed to the IMPACT zone fans they would have a dozen members of the roster.


You seem to have either ignored my point or you're just a silly goose. You don't know a thing about behind the curtain so making any determination about what ANYONE deserves "behind the curtain" shows just how conceited you are.

Wha? Methinks you are mistaking what I mean?

1. I didn't say he should be fired.

2. The IMPACT zone fans cheer Hardy promos. I am the biggest Jeff mark on this board, but come on...

3. By behind the curtain I just meant 'paying your dues'. You got Suicide. You got EY. You got people who should be next in line. Why does the new guy get the shot?

4. I don't know anything about the business. Fair, I've never worked in it.

5. I think Robbie should get a title shot in a month or two.

Now please be civil. I never insulted the dude backstage. Like I said, I don't care if he's Ghandi he does not deserve a title shot.

[Slagaholic]

The stage for BFG is pretty cool looking. A different take on the TitanTron using two different videos. Would be nice if they didn't have the same random 10 second videos on loop.

[Slagaholic]

Wha? Methinks you are mistaking what I mean?

1. I didn't say he should be fired.

2. The IMPACT zone fans cheer Hardy promos. I am the biggest Jeff mark on this board, but come on...

3. By behind the curtain I just meant 'paying your dues'. You got Suicide. You got EY. You got people who should be next in line. Why does the new guy get the shot?

4. I don't know anything about the business. Fair, I've never worked in it.

5. I think Robbie should get a title shot in a month or two.

Now please be civil. I never insulted the dude backstage. Like I said, I don't care if he's Ghandi he does not deserve a title shot.
1. True. I shouldn't have put words in your mouth.

2. What does Jeff Hardy have to do with this?

3. See: 4

4. Neither have I, which is why I think your 3rd point is meaningless on it's face.

5. Who knows, maybe he will? Maybe he'll never get a title shot his entire time in TNA? We both assumed he would get a shot because he attacked Lethal but nothing has been confirmed at all. So we shouldn't work on that assumption until we KNOW he's getting a shot.

[Johnny Fenoli]

The stage for BFG is pretty cool looking. A different take on the TitanTron using two different videos. Would be nice if they didn't have the same random 10 second videos on loop.

It's very cool. Especially how it raises to reveal the person behind it.

[Slagaholic]

TNA really needs to get out of that sound stage. It's amazing what a few hundred extra square feet can do to the look of your product.

[Astil]

1. True. I shouldn't have put words in your mouth.

2. What does Jeff Hardy have to do with this?

3. See: 4

4. Neither have I, which is why I think your 3rd point is meaningless on it's face.

5. Who knows, maybe he will? Maybe he'll never get a title shot his entire time in TNA? We both assumed he would get a shot because he attacked Lethal but nothing has been confirmed at all. So we shouldn't work on that assumption until we KNOW he's getting a shot.

I thought he said he was getting one next week on Impact.

Hence my why~?

And as far as me being able to say who should and shouldn't get a shot...I am a fan. I know what I like. I know I'm only one of many, but I heard the Impact Zone crowd on his debut.

I hope he gets a second chance, because I'm no Nostradamus, but this first chance will fail.

Also the Hardy comment was to show how the Impact zone will cheer for anything, so the back that they where dead for his promo means bad news.

[jwt13]

Are you serious?

[Stennick]

GREAT, more EV2 means more reasons not to watch TNA. Seriously why is Dreamer, Raven, Richards, etc going over anyone?

[Astil]

That was anti-climatic and bad.

[Slagaholic]

Brian Kendrick's meditation on top of the cage was the most entertaining part of that match.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Shouldn't it have been Stevie luring Kaz to the top, since Kendrick is hidden up there... if not, what's the reason in going up there?

[Astil]

Brian Kendrick's meditation on top of the cage was the most entertaining part of that match.

/agreed.

[Slagaholic]

Shouldn't it have been Stevie luring Kaz to the top, since Kendrick is hidden up there... if not, what's the reason in going up there?

To get a spot out of the way! :p

[The Stallion]

I swear if they don't reveal who "They" is tonight I am not watching TNA anymore.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Wouldn't be suprised if THEY no showed tonight.... Preparing myself for the let down right now...

[Slagaholic]

Anyone hear Hardy's new theme? I heard it was debuting tonight, it's gotta be better than his old one right?

[jwt13]

Anyone hear Hardy's new theme? I heard it was debuting tonight, it's gotta be better than his old one right?

Yea I thought it was kick ass

[Slagaholic]

Oh boy...Angle's got 5 o'clock shadow...You know what that means.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Oh boy...Angle's got 5 o'clock shadow...You know what that means.

The old heel beard trick eh?

[Stennick]

I remember when all the nWo guys had goatees.

[Slagaholic]

Double ankle lock all the way!

[Stennick]

ref bump here we go. THEY is upon us any minute now

[Johnny Fenoli]

Here THEY is.......

[Stennick]

ITS COMING!!!! Make or break time TNA

[Stennick]

HOgan LMAO wow nwoV2 ? Hogan for the heel turn?

[Stennick]

New New New World Order, We are taking over

[jwt13]

That Was Awesome

[Stennick]

HAHAHAHAHAHA oh TNA, Finger Poke of Doom V2 ha ha

[Johnny Fenoli]

http://www.gymidiots.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/son-i-am-disappoint.gif

[The Final Countdown]

THAT'S what they spent months building to? Seriously? Wow.

[Stennick]

Thats whats been building since March? It really took seven months to build to THAT?

[alden]

FAIL!!!!!! I am sorry but no way in hell. Wasen't it just a few month ago that the two turned. No way can jeff pull off a heel. I was really giving tna credit and i am sorry but this is just nwo 2.0. That is not what tna needs. I would have been happy with a group of four jobers more then this group.

[The Stallion]

So where does this leave Angle. Not sure I am into this new group with Hogan and Bischoff at the helm. It just does not make any sense to have Hogan in any kind of major storyline. I just dont know man, maybe Paul Heyman is right, wrestling is dying out. There does not seem to be an original and fresh idea anywhere in the business right now. Not in the WWE, TNA, ROH or anywhere else in the world. Everything is just a re-hash of something else. I think I am just going to start watching MMA.

[Slagaholic]

If this was 2009 this would be shocking.

This wasn't so bad I'll never watch TNA again. I'll watch Impact to see how they explain this.

[alden]

So where does this leave Angle. Not sure I am into this new group with Hogan and Bischoff at the helm. It just does not make any sense to have Hogan in any kind of major storyline. I just dont know man, maybe Paul Heyman is right, wrestling is dying out. There does not seem to be an original and fresh idea anywhere in the business right now. Not in the WWE, TNA, ROH or anywhere else in the world. Everything is just a re-hash of something else. I think I am just going to start watching MMA.

I think since angle did not loose then he will not have to retire. Anderson was the one who was pinned so technicly angle did not get pined or submit.

[Stennick]

ECW, the nWo, Sting fighting the fight against the evil Hulkster, the Four Horsemen, HAHAHAHA I'm sooooo done with this company. This was the make or break night, I watched the whole pay per view and with that ending my faith is at less than zero percent in this company.

You guys that like this stuff have fun. Maybe they can bring back the AWA for a faction. Greg Gagne's not doing anything is he?

[Slagaholic]

So where does this leave Angle. Not sure I am into this new group with Hogan and Bischoff at the helm. It just does not make any sense to have Hogan in any kind of major storyline. I just dont know man, maybe Paul Heyman is right, wrestling is dying out. There does not seem to be an original and fresh idea anywhere in the business right now. Not in the WWE, TNA, ROH or anywhere else in the world. Everything is just a re-hash of something else. I think I am just going to start watching MMA.

Most of wrestling and wrestling fandom are currently going through Attitude Era withdraw. This sports entertainment methadone isn't working. Wrestling isn't dying out, non-WWE 'sports entertainment' is. WWE went through some dark ages but figured it out and have moved on.

[b0shey]

lol seriously epic fail.

nWo ripoff here we come, lets see what clever idea (oops i mean ripoff idea )tna has next.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Taz said the landscape of TNA just changed!!!


Bischoff and Hogan are heels again... wow... sooo, shocked...

Jarrett, should be jobbing out to people trying to break into the main event scene.
Abyss, I like as a monster... not part of THIS kind of group. Either leave him to be psycho by himself, or put him with other psychos.

Hardy, I'm going to assume can be decent as a heel, never remember seeing him as one... But is he really the type to lead this group? He has the title, so he's the leader. Would have worked better with Angle, or even giving Anderson a shot at running with it. Hardy gets too much sympathy votes from the crowd.

They are trying to redo nWo with "bad guys" that are popular with the crowd... I dont like it.

[Astil]

TNA: When Bad Things Happen to Good Workers.

[The Stallion]

Most of wrestling and wrestling fandom are currently going through Attitude Era withdraw. This sports entertainment methadone isn't working. Wrestling isn't dying out, non-WWE 'sports entertainment' is. WWE went through some dark ages but figured it out and have moved on.

I disagree. I dont think I am going through "attitude era" withdrawal, I'm just looking for something fresh and new. Something that makes me go wow, thats interesting, let me turn in next week and see whats going on. I dont care if the old guys are involved, the new guys or some other guys. As long as the writing was strong, the action was good and I had heroes to care about and villains to hate things would be good. As it stands right now, nobody is doing that. I have been watching TNA simply because it has some of my favorite wrestlers in the promotion and I like the actual in-ring product.

[Astil]

I just tried to imagine a TNA booking meeting. I now have a headache.

[SeanMcFly]

Well, at least I know jwt, and some of those guys from the dynasty forum that do the WCW diaries will love this :cool:

[Johnny Fenoli]

I just tried to imagine a TNA booking meeting. I now have a headache.

Wait a second...... they actually have meetings and organize this mess?

[MattitudeV2]

Wait a second...... they actually have meetings and organize this mess?

It's pretty bad when the last time I remember Hardy as a heel was when he was with Gangrel and they formed the new brood!!!

[Stennick]

TNA really likes to turn guys that just scream babyface into heels. AJ and now Hardy.

[Johnny Fenoli]

TNA really likes to turn guys that just scream babyface into heels. AJ and now Hardy.

TNA just really likes to turn guys... there's more heel to face, face to heel turns, than all other promotions combined....

[Stennick]

Well I say turn away, I hope on iMpact they turn everybody in the promotion, I hope they debut Hillibilly Jim and have him turn three times in the same match beating some back Zack Ryder rip off for the X Division title in one of their reverse battle royale gimmick matches.

I had really high hopes back in March even paying to GO to Lockdown but those days are gone. I was really thinking they were onto something when they were building Fortune and if they would have left it at that then yes they would have been.

Instead they brought back ECW, after that they started talking about WCW every week, and now they have come full circle bringing back Eazy E and Hollywood Hogan. Have fun watching TNA fans because this is what they built the last seven months to. They planned THIS for seven months. Say what you will about the WWE but I'm fairly certain most of their stupid ideas are planned for weeks and not seven months.

[Slagaholic]

I disagree. I dont think I am going through "attitude era" withdrawal, I'm just looking for something fresh and new. Something that makes me go wow, thats interesting, let me turn in next week and see whats going on. I dont care if the old guys are involved, the new guys or some other guys. As long as the writing was strong, the action was good and I had heroes to care about and villains to hate things would be good. As it stands right now, nobody is doing that. I have been watching TNA simply because it has some of my favorite wrestlers in the promotion and I like the actual in-ring product.

When I say attitude era withdrawal I mean the emotions (and money) that the attitude era gave them. It's not about what you like to see, it's about expectations being much higher than they should be. There are many fans who watch wrestling as if they turn it on and say "impress me." I don't believe that one can look at any form of entertainment that way. I can't control how fans should look at wrestling nor do I wish to. I'm just saying that from my observations that's part of why so many in the IWC in particular are constantly disappointed by booking.

I wonder what this does for Impact's ratings. Who knows, maybe this could end up being a hot angle. It's not like they turned a nobody. I'm not ready to write this off as a bad payoff business-wise.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Well I say turn away, I hope on iMpact they turn everybody in the promotion, I hope they debut Hillibilly Jim and have him turn three times in the same match beating some back Zack Ryder rip off for the X Division title in one of their reverse battle royale gimmick matches.

I had really high hopes back in March even paying to GO to Lockdown but those days are gone. I was really thinking they were onto something when they were building Fortune and if they would have left it at that then yes they would have been.

Instead they brought back ECW, after that they started talking about WCW every week, and now they have come full circle bringing back Eazy E and Hollywood Hogan. Have fun watching TNA fans because this is what they built the last seven months to. They planned THIS for seven months. Say what you will about the WWE but I'm fairly certain most of their stupid ideas are planned for weeks and not seven months.


LOL... This was the thing that is planned to change TNA forever.

[b0shey]

Haha, reading several reviews from people. almost everyone hated this ppv, way to screw the fans tna.

[Slagaholic]

Those definitely speak for all TNA viewers. I can't wait to see the Impact ratings next week. I'm putting the over/under at .5

[Johnny Fenoli]

Those definitely speak for all TNA viewers. I can't wait to see the Impact ratings next week. I'm putting the over/under at .5

I'll actually take the over. I bet the ratings get a boost...

[Slagaholic]

How could this terrible storyline possible boost ratings? Or are you thinking it's all the people who didn't catch the PPV watching?

How about I push that back a week? Oct 21st Impact over/under is .5

[Gouge]

Absolute trash. That's really the only way to put it. I'm almost disgusted by this.

[Stennick]

How could this terrible storyline possible boost ratings? Or are you thinking it's all the people who didn't catch the PPV watching?

How about I push that back a week? Oct 21st Impact over/under is .5

I'm done preaching about what TNA should and shouldn't do and whats good and whats not since clearly TNA is growing in audience atleast on television.

That being said it seems like the more TNA goes in the direction I don't want them to, ECW, etc the higher their ratings get.

So following the formula of "do whatever Stennick doesn't want to see" they should receive a good boost to their ratings.

[ChrisKid]

TNA really likes to turn guys that just scream babyface into heels. AJ and now Hardy.

:eek::eek::eek: why TNA

[LiquidSwords]

Found this on another forum and it is on TMZ.com http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/10/jwoww-jersey-shore-tna-wrestling/

Sources close to the deal tell us JWoww -- real name Jenni Farley -- just signed a one-night deal to appear on Spike TV's "TNA impact!" on Thursday.

We're told JWoww doesn't have a match scheduled ... but she'll "probably be mixing it up" with a couple of Jersey Shore-alike wrestlers named Robbie E. and Cookie.

But JWoww ain't doin' the wrestling thing for free -- we're told she's pulling in a cool $15 grand for the night ... and the two sides are working out a deal to get her to come back to the show.

... and to think, Snooki didn't get a dime when she got hit on television.

Source: TMZ

[Stennick]

FIFTEEN GRAND? Are you kidding me? Their going to pay some girl 15 grand to show up and feud with lower midcarders? Thats got to be more than the wrestlers she's feuding with.

[Gouge]

lol, I was just about to post that

Yeah that's just a... wonderful investment. $15 grand to spruce up an angle nobody cares about.

[LiquidSwords]

FIFTEEN GRAND? Are you kidding me? Their going to pay some girl 15 grand to show up and feud with lower midcarders? Thats got to be more than the wrestlers she's feuding with.

Lol that was my reaction when I read it on TMZ. This is just Jenna Morasca all over again. Times like this I wish ROH had more resources because for JWoww to get fifteen grand for one appearance while the majority of the Knockouts get paid peanuts is just wrong.

[Slagaholic]

Alotta people watch TNA. Alotta people like to talk about the Jersey Shore magpies. I'd say it could end up being worth the $15,000 investment.

[Stennick]

TNA draws a little over a million fans, Jersey Shore drew 6.3 million.

I wouldn't say TNA draws a "lot of viewers" or fans.

If Hogan, Bischoff, Rob Van Dam, Mr. Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Ric Flair, Kevin Nash and Mick Foley can all come into a promotion and barely impact the ratings at all I really don't know how this girl is going to impact them.

Why are they spending fifteen grand on this girl when that could be put through advertising.

Honestly if they spent half as much on advertising as they spend bringing in all of these people wrestlers and not THAT might impact their rating more.

[LiquidSwords]

That is the one thing I never understood about TNA. They already have the financial backing from Panda Energy so its not like they don't have the money to put into advertising. Also I never see commercials for TNA on any other channels except for Spike and even on that channel it is still rare to see one.

[Self]

Hardy as a heel? I gotta say, that interests me. Not saying it's "good for business" but I've been curious about Jeff's ability to play heel for a while now. Might be good. Might be horrible. Might watch Impact to find out.

[The Stallion]

Ok so now that this whole "THEY" thing is out of the way, can someone tell what the hell the "change" was that Dixie Carter was talking about. I hope to god it was not that whole "ticker tape" thing on the bottom of the screen on iMpact because that would be stupid (or just like TNA).

[juggaloninjalee]

Well, at least I know jwt, and some of those guys from the dynasty forum that do the WCW diaries will love this :cool:

I have a WCW diary and I don't want a rehash of where WCW was going with 80 stables. My game only has 1 stable in it.

Anyways on topic. I didn't watch BFG but sounds like something I am glad I didn't see. I went to an XICW show here in Michigan instead.

I don't know what Hardy has to offer as a heel. Angle won't be gone just yet. He is going to be the hero against this group probably.

It sounds like the only good match was the tag title match. Am I right?

[The Stallion]

I have a WCW diary and I don't want a rehash of where WCW was going with 80 stables. My game only has 1 stable in it.

Anyways on topic. I didn't watch BFG but sounds like something I am glad I didn't see. I went to an XICW show here in Michigan instead.

I don't know what Hardy has to offer as a heel. Angle won't be gone just yet. He is going to be the hero against this group probably.

It sounds like the only good match was the tag title match. Am I right?

The 3 best matches on the show were The Guns vs Gen Me, Abyss vs RVD and then the 3 way between Angle, Hardy and Anderson up until the end then the chit hit the fan as they say.

[Hyde Hill]

Ok I am done with TNA for a while. Might try ROH or just lay of wrestling. No need to recap as it did not deliver.

[MichiganHero]

Somewhere in Stanford, Conneticut (sp?), a large group of individuals laughed at the end of this PPV. Well done TNA, you just screwed yourself. Well done.

[djthefunkchris]

I fear it's going to be a big let-down.... So I'm not going to get to hyped for it.

However, if they do bring Kevin Sullivan and Mitchell, and some really "evil" looking people into the frey, I'm going to love it.

Can't help wondering if it's going to be alot of WCW types though... which is going to be a letdown for me.

I should have just said NWO. Oh well, I was close, lol.

[supershot]

You know TNA really messed up when Hyde Hill says he's done watching for awhile...

:p

[ZMAN]

Heel Hogan and Bischoff seems so unnecessary, but I guess they think this should change everything in the company.

What I would have done... Built this all up to have Abyss reveal "they" as the ECW/EV2 stable. Have this EV2 bring all sorts of uncalled for extreme mayhem. Anderson ends up siding with them at BFG, joining the group in the end and winning the belt. Abyss pops Hogan and Hardy with his board... Just having ECW and the hardcore style take over the show. Carter loses all hope and is blamed for letting the extremists into the company. Hogan's group and possibly Flair's group start to work together to overcome the EV2 group. Basically heel ECW vs. face TNA.

[Johnny Fenoli]

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:rolleyes:





Know what I was just thinking.... Take out, Jarrett and Hogan... and I would've really liked this. You have to leave Bischoff as the one who got it started. Bring in James Mitchell and a couple of other "twisted" individuals... Have hardy play a dark character.... and I'd be down. I dont wanna see Jarrett on my screen unless he's putting over people.

[juggaloninjalee]

So let me get this straight.

Samoa Joe, Mr. Anderson, RVD, EV 2.0, and Kurt Angle are considered the top faces now?

Hardy, Abyss, Fortune, Hogan, Bischoff, Pope, Nash, and Sting are the top heels?

So Samoa Joe may be the only guy who comes out of this better off? Thats dissappointing.

[Self]

"They're Here" surely. lolTNA :)

Boy does Jarrett look out of place there. I can see Jeff and Abyss as this kinda deranged, twisted 'outcast' team, but Jarrett doesn't quite fit the mould.

[ampulator]

So much for "They". *sigh* Three steps forward... two steps backward...

[liontamer]

Didn't watch it due to working late, but I probably will before impact because some of the matches sound pretty good and and want to see it to read further into the storyline, altohugh I'm stil perplexed as to why THEY didn't include anyone new given
that it was advertised as essentially being and outside froup (unless THEY is just TNAs only way of referring legally to the nWo as I'm sure it's still trademarked)

Here's my take on the storyline from what I've read and what I've seen the last several months.

As of the moment it appears that THEY are EB, Hulk, JJ, Abyss and Hardy, but from what I've read EB has supposedly stated it's full of twists and turns for months.

As of right now the lines appear like this.
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett

Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

In No Man's Land Faces
RVD
Joe
Anderson


Here is what I remember from various impacts before and how I read into it....
1. There was an interview angle in which JJ, Hogan, Sting and Nash were arguing, and the lights went out. When they came on JJ and Hulk were down (but not proof they were actually attacked) and Sting and Nash got kicked the crap out of. This suggests that Fortune are with JJ and Hulk
2. Hogan brought RVD in without EBs approval which upset him. Later Hogan seemed to turn on RVD and set him up for an attack (by fortune I think, and it might be the one RVD got inured on) which furthers the notion that hogan is with fortune and possibly with abyss
3. Joe knew about THEY, or at least thought he did (See the end of reaction 2 weeks ago). JJ abandoning him could be a work. From the sounds of things Sting, Nash and Pope kicked the crap out of him so that probably wasn't a work and they will not be aligned for some time.
4. Still not convinced RVD isn't in on it however because of his role on the last impact (which btw is still unresolved as we don't actually know what dixie signed yet). It's possible they just worked him up to where they reasonably anticipated he'd do that, or he may still be in on it or have thought he was in on it.
5. EB and JJ had a lot of early feuds. It's possible that was a work or that it was resolved when hogan stepped in, but maybe not (note hogan and Jarrett apeared on the same team a lot, but not necessarily with EB all of the time. Hogan and EB also butted heads frequently early on)
6. Hardy lost numerous times to RVD, which provided the motive for a heel turn. RVD also got a bigger and bigger head as time went on which may have been why hogan appears to have turned on him.
7. I'm under the impression that either angle was duped and thought he'd have Hardy's role, or that he is in on it. This is due to the fact that twice in a row he and hardy drew which is exacty what EB wanted and not at all what dixie wanted, not to mention he lost in the only way possible without forcing retirement and gave THEY a 2v1 advantage. His being in the group what also calrify what anderson was alluding to on the last reaction.

I could ramble on, but long story short I see 3 ways of this playing out...

Version 1 (the more obvious)
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett
Fortune
Angle
possibly RVD

Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

In No Man's Land
Joe
EV2
possibly RVD
Anderson



Version 2, 3, and 4(split ambitions of EB and HH)
Team Bischoff
EB
Hardy
Angle
Abyss
possibly Joe


Team Hogan
Hogan
JJ
Fortune
Anderson
Possibly RVD

Team Sting
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

No Man's Land
possibly RVD
Ev2
possibly Joe

Version 2: remains as above, EV2 likely joins with sting's group. Hogan and JJ are actually working against Eric from within. In this version RVD would be not be with EB (what did he gain from losing the belt, why side with Hardy. Either EB set it up to look like hogan was setting up RVD and worked to get the belt off of him or RVD is with neither hogan nor EB) Also explains wht sting, nash and pope kicked the crap out of Joe afer JJ bailed. Tessmacher may be a mole for sting's group or may be a mole feeding back info from sting's group to EB

Version 3: Team Sting and Team EB are actually working together to get Hogan out. This would explain why they haven't attacked EB the last few chances they've had, would explain point number two above, Tessmacher's role,fit with the long hogan sting feud and the sting RVD feud, explain why abyss went against hogan after looking for answers as to why sting attacked him on the first live monday night impact, and we've already seen Nash and EB work together before to try to get in hall and waltman, so why not again. Plus sting had numerous chances to explain the whole thing to dixie, but never did.

Version 4:
Similar to the above except that in this scenario Hogan is the good guy and EB is the bad one. Sting will join with hogan to flush out EBs group. May see fortune turn and side with EB to balance out the numbers and explain some of the talks between flair and EB early on (which Hogan was upset about).

Also predict a feud with tessmacher and madison vs velvet and angeilna.

[Johnny Fenoli]

"They're Here" surely. lolTNA :)

Boy does Jarrett look out of place there. I can see Jeff and Abyss as this kinda deranged, twisted 'outcast' team, but Jarrett doesn't quite fit the mould.

Whooa I added my edit, then refreshed And saw What you wrote Self.... great minds eh?

[sebsplex]

In recent interviews Heyman talked of having a 5 year plan for TNA, I doubt this storyline is even planned beyond 5 shows tbh.

[RingofHonorGuard]

The Lethal Lockdown sucked, especially the stuff on top of the cage. That just sucked, botching something that you knew was going to happen anyway. I kept sitting there going "Someone is definitely going to fall off that cage, they're being so sloppy up there." Thankfully no one did. I was cool with EV2.0 winning, because aside from AJ Styles and James Storm, I think the entire Fortune stable sucks talent wise. Sabu looks so unintimidating without his crazy Arabian style hair though... lol

The only match that really was enjoyable to watch was the tag match. Team 3d's promo was lame, as they already did this once in the WWF days where they split up and went singles. It sucked then, it's going to suck now.

"They" looks awful. I mean I was hoping that it would be Paul Heyman coming in after all the denying, but no... Nope, it was what everyone thought... Adding Hardy just makes it stupid. Hardy has no mic skills. Bischoff can only take him so far.

I'm not really ready to call this an "nWo ripoff" just yet, because we haven't seen what direction they're going to take it in. But as it stands right now, it's pretty awful.

[PeterHilton]

Didn't watch it due to working late, but I probably will before impact because some of the matches sound pretty good and and want to see it to read further into the storyline, altohugh I'm stil perplexed as to why THEY didn't include anyone new given
that it was advertised as essentially being and outside froup (unless THEY is just TNAs only way of referring legally to the nWo as I'm sure it's still trademarked)

Here's my take on the storyline from what I've read and what I've seen the last several months.

As of the moment it appears that THEY are EB, Hulk, JJ, Abyss and Hardy, but from what I've read EB has supposedly stated it's full of twists and turns for months.

As of right now the lines appear like this.
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett

Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

In No Man's Land Faces
RVD
Joe
Anderson


Here is what I remember from various impacts before and how I read into it....
1. There was an interview angle in which JJ, Hogan, Sting and Nash were arguing, and the lights went out. When they came on JJ and Hulk were down (but not proof they were actually attacked) and Sting and Nash got kicked the crap out of. This suggests that Fortune are with JJ and Hulk
2. Hogan brought RVD in without EBs approval which upset him. Later Hogan seemed to turn on RVD and set him up for an attack (by fortune I think, and it might be the one RVD got inured on) which furthers the notion that hogan is with fortune and possibly with abyss
3. Joe knew about THEY, or at least thought he did (See the end of reaction 2 weeks ago). JJ abandoning him could be a work. From the sounds of things Sting, Nash and Pope kicked the crap out of him so that probably wasn't a work and they will not be aligned for some time.
4. Still not convinced RVD isn't in on it however because of his role on the last impact (which btw is still unresolved as we don't actually know what dixie signed yet). It's possible they just worked him up to where they reasonably anticipated he'd do that, or he may still be in on it or have thought he was in on it.
5. EB and JJ had a lot of early feuds. It's possible that was a work or that it was resolved when hogan stepped in, but maybe not (note hogan and Jarrett apeared on the same team a lot, but not necessarily with EB all of the time. Hogan and EB also butted heads frequently early on)
6. Hardy lost numerous times to RVD, which provided the motive for a heel turn. RVD also got a bigger and bigger head as time went on which may have been why hogan appears to have turned on him.
7. I'm under the impression that either angle was duped and thought he'd have Hardy's role, or that he is in on it. This is due to the fact that twice in a row he and hardy drew which is exacty what EB wanted and not at all what dixie wanted, not to mention he lost in the only way possible without forcing retirement and gave THEY a 2v1 advantage. His being in the group what also calrify what anderson was alluding to on the last reaction.

I could ramble on, but long story short I see 3 ways of this playing out...

Version 1 (the more obvious)
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett
Fortune
Angle
possibly RVD

Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

In No Man's Land
Joe
EV2
possibly RVD
Anderson



Version 2, 3, and 4(split ambitions of EB and HH)
Team Bischoff
EB
Hardy
Angle
Abyss
possibly Joe


Team Hogan
Hogan
JJ
Fortune
Anderson
Possibly RVD

Team Sting
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher

No Man's Land
possibly RVD
Ev2
possibly Joe

Version 2: remains as above, EV2 likely joins with sting's group. Hogan and JJ are actually working against Eric from within. In this version RVD would be not be with EB (what did he gain from losing the belt, why side with Hardy. Either EB set it up to look like hogan was setting up RVD and worked to get the belt off of him or RVD is with neither hogan nor EB) Also explains wht sting, nash and pope kicked the crap out of Joe afer JJ bailed. Tessmacher may be a mole for sting's group or may be a mole feeding back info from sting's group to EB

Version 3: Team Sting and Team EB are actually working together to get Hogan out. This would explain why they haven't attacked EB the last few chances they've had, would explain point number two above, Tessmacher's role,fit with the long hogan sting feud and the sting RVD feud, explain why abyss went against hogan after looking for answers as to why sting attacked him on the first live monday night impact, and we've already seen Nash and EB work together before to try to get in hall and waltman, so why not again. Plus sting had numerous chances to explain the whole thing to dixie, but never did.

Version 4:
Similar to the above except that in this scenario Hogan is the good guy and EB is the bad one. Sting will join with hogan to flush out EBs group. May see fortune turn and side with EB to balance out the numbers and explain some of the talks between flair and EB early on (which Hogan was upset about).

Also predict a feud with tessmacher and madison vs velvet and angeilna.

lolwut

In recent interviews Heyman talked of having a 5 year plan for TNA, I doubt this storyline is even planned beyond 5 shows tbh.

this.

The booking in this show was awful. Just awful. EV2 going over Fourtune was a terrible move and the only reason it's not getting killed more was because THEY was such a travesty.

I also never want to hear another mention of what a genius Bischoff was or that he gets overly blamed for WCW's failure. The major hit against him is that he took one idea and ran it to the ground. So now what does he do? Join TNA...wait eight months...then do the same idea.:rolleyes:

[juggaloninjalee]

Bischoff has never shown that he really knows how to book good shows.

[MichiganHero]

How many times has Jarrett been one of the top heels in this company. I actually half expect Hardy to lie down on iMPACT! and let Jarrett win the title...again. *sigh* Back to CHIKARA I go. Atleast they can do nWo right. Fur Das Bruderschaft!

[jhd1]

You know TNA really messed up when Hyde Hill says he's done watching for awhile...

:p

This is exactly what I was going to say! Between late last night and coming home from work 10 new pages were added to this thread - obviously I'm not going to read them all, and obviously whatever I say will be going over old ground. Haven't watched BFG but I'll try and hunt down the reveal of 'They' on youtube. Firstly, thanks to everyone who cleared up who 'They' actually were - from the recap I read it made no sense whatsoever (though it doesn't seem like it did during the show either).

All I want to say from the results is why did EV2.0 win? I thought they were supposed to be a one-off and now they are beating Fortune? I give up trying to understand this PPV :D

[The Bus]

After being disappointed with the obvious answer that EB and the almighty Hulkster were behind it, I'm looking forward to the future of TNA.

I feel Hardy will work well as the top heel and eventually Matt will join his brother to give them a bit depth and tag team credibility. Jeff Jarrett just must be a heel, he sucks as a face IMO and now he's the one to get his ass whipped in favour of the group. JJ can work well and has some charisma and now he's not the top dog, just the back up. Abyss is a good muscle for the faction. Hopefully EB & Hulk get ditched at some point.

Shame that Nash is leaving, I enjoyed his work for the first time in ages. In tag matches he's still a good guy to have. He has the size, look, history, basics and lacks the stamina and portfolio of moves.

Good spotfest kickoff to showcase athleticism and a lot of action. As said, the finisher was lame after all those spots. Cruisers as respectable tag teams and X-division members, I like it. The tag division is good and it's kind of modern feel to have more tag teams and differentiates from the WWE.

Why did EV2 win? What do they benefit? Nothing. Pele kick out of nothing leading to carbon footprint after EV2 domination from Kendrick surprise entrance and Rhino rampaging would've been good.

Did anyone else think the pin in knockout match was horribly executed?

Sorry if some points were already discussed, I didn't notice when browsing through approx 10 pages.

[TDubRaiders]

I was debating on getting BFG but at the last minute I changed my mind because I didn't trust H&B and thank god I didn't. The reveal of 'They' was terrible. I caught the revealing on youtube this morning and it was terrible. Jeff Hardy as a heel could be ok but god damn he could be the most popular face of the company if they used him right.

I also don't see Jarrett in the group it just seems weird but oh well. I had no confidence it would be any good anyway so I'm not really disappointed in the outcome as it was just as terrible as I thought it would be. I doubt I'll catch any TNA for a while I might catch Impact this thursday just to see how they explain it and I don't trust that H&B will make it any better. I'll pretty much stick to watching ROH every monday now and catch PWG when there DVD's come out.

Damn, TNA I wish you didn't hype up something so big for it to be a huge disappointment. I want TNA to strive so WWE has competition but I just don't see it happening anytime soon and that's sucks because wrestling is so much better when companies are going head to head but TNA has blown chance after chance

[eayragt]

Know what I was just thinking.... Take out, Jarrett and Hogan... and I would've really liked this. You have to leave Bischoff as the one who got it started. Bring in James Mitchell and a couple of other "twisted" individuals... Have hardy play a dark character.... and I'd be down. I dont wanna see Jarrett on my screen unless he's putting over people.

I'm with you there. It wouldn't have been worth the hype, but I would have liked where it had left the Main Event (Hardy as a new heel, Angle to go back down to continue his way up the Top 10).

I guess it's still in the same place... but with some very, very old guys taking too much of the limelight.

[jhd1]

I just caught the ending on youtube - does anyone else think the crowd just stops when 'They' are revealed? It doesn't come across very well on a laptop, that's for sure. And I may be being cynical but I'm guessing that rubbish being thrown into the ring was either suggested to the crowd or they felt the urge to be 'nostalgic.' Despite Tenay's best efforts incensed isn't the word I'd describe that crowd with...indifferent, perhaps?

[Slagaholic]

Is anyone willing to take a bet on my over/under of .5 for the October 21st Impact?

The more I read on the internet about how much fans hated this, I'll be shocked if Impact lasts through the year without SpikeTV ripping up their contract.

[eayragt]

Is anyone willing to take a bet on my over/under of .5 for the October 21st Impact?

The more I read on the internet about how much fans hated this, I'll be shocked if Impact lasts through the year without SpikeTV ripping up their contract.

Sure - depending on what your're comparing it to... it'll do neither by then.

[Slagaholic]

Comparing it to what? It's an over/under.

You choose what you think the Oct 21st edition of Impact's rating will be

Over .5 rating

Under .5 rating (smart money)

[Self]

As much as I hate discussing ratings, I'd be stunned if next week's Impact does below a 1.0. Most of the people complaining are going to watch anyway, and the ones who don't... well I'm sure this angle with pique enough curiosity to make up for it (Hell, I'm curious and I haven't watched in months) I don't see the rating going up, but neither do I see it going down all that much.

[eayragt]

Comparing it to what? It's an over/under.

You choose what you think the Oct 21st edition of Impact's rating will be

Over .5 rating

Under .5 rating (smart money)

Sorry, I thought you were saying an increase or decrease in 0.5. I never considered that anyone would suggest the ratings would go as low as 0.5.

Smart money's on under .5? Send that money to me, please.

[Slagaholic]

As much as I hate discussing ratings, I'd be stunned if next week's Impact does below a 1.0. Most of the people complaining are going to watch anyway, and the ones who don't... well I'm sure this angle with pique enough curiosity to make up for it (Hell, I'm curious and I haven't watched in months) I don't see the rating going up, but neither do I see it going down all that much.

Thats why I said Oct 21st. This week may do well, but the ratings will quickly plummet into the toilet.

[Self]

What's that? 2-3 weeks away? Still saying 1.0 at the lowest. I'd get a kick out of being wrong, especially given my newfound indy fandom, but... I don't see the storyline as being a big deal, positively or negatively.

[GatorBait19]

posted in wrong thred

[Stennick]

So I've had 24 hours to try and think of something that interests me enough to tune in. I thought I would go through TNA and look at each part of it.

TAG TEAMS:
We've just had MCMG vs. Gen Me, now we're looking to have MCMG vs. TEam 3D again and we got Beer Money. Those seems to be the only active tag teams in TNA aside from Ink Inc and lets face it their pretty bland and generic. So all this "Vince doesn't care about tag team wrestling" whining that some TNA fans do (not here) is silly since they have about three tag teams that are any good in the ring and the only two out of the ring that are interesting are MCMG and Beer Money. Gen Me are bland and boring, so are Ink Inc. They have tats thats about as interesting as they are. Team 3D are great on the stick but forgive the pun their shtick is tired and played out. So there is zero interest in the tag team division at this point. Last night was as good as it gets and frankly that was just indy tag team spot fest v.234

KNOCKOUTS
When this division was created it had women like Gail Kim, Amazing Kong, ODB, since then its had Cheerleader Melissa/Allisa Flash, Hamada, Daffney, Tara etc. Everyone blasted the WWE for not having a legit womens division even with Natalia Hart, Mickie James and Beth Phoenix all still being a part of said division. Along with Melina. So they seem to reboot it focused on the BP's even if none of them can hold a candle to the "original" Knockouts. That being said atleast their not WWE cast offs, their once again going with their own girls and doing what they can with who they can. Then they bring Tara back, then they bring Mickie in. Even though Mickie is most likely getting more than the released girls combined and maybe more than all four girls in that ring last night. None the less they seem to have re invested in the Knockout division. What do they do with this investment? Do they use her to bring up the other gals in the division? Do they have her legitimize one of the BP's? Sadly no they start a feud off with two WWE Divas. For all the smack talk they have done on Vince and the Divas and now their main women's feud is set to be two former WWE divas. Its not even like Tara is the most over woman in the division she's a distant third behind Madison and Angelina. That doesn't matter to TNA when they can do WWE feuds.

The X DIVISION
Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Chris Sabin, Joe, even names like Michael Shane, Elix Skipper, Kazarian, Amazing Red they have had some of the most talented, original in ring talents of this decade in that division. Now who do they have? So far I've gathered the main stays are Doug Williams, Amazing Red, Suicide and Jay Lethal. You could argue Kaz but it seems he's busy jobbing to ECW at the moment. Even those names are respectable so who do they have Jay Lethal feud with? A man that was main eventing shows, opening and closing Impact, who was having the palm eating out of his hand as he feuded with the second biggest name in the last three decades of wrestling? They go from him doing that to feuding with a bad c list celebrity rip off. This is why this company fails they just can't pull the trigger on anyone that isn't in the WWE. Even guys like AJ Styles who have been there since show one take a back seat to THREE former WWE acts in the main event of their biggest pay per view. The division is a joke and if the best they can do is Rob Eckos than they should just give up. Could it be a fun little feud? Sure but you know what? Its not for Jay Lethal, the guy is above the fun little fued act and should be one of the top five babyfaces in the company at this point.

The Main Event:
Does everyone realize that the main event featured three former WWE guys? You can argue all you want that Angle has made himself a part of TNA and he has, and you can argue that Anderson has made himself into a star he has. My argument though is that they have AJ Styles, Joe, Pope, Jay Lethal, the names go on of guys they have built up and only knocked them back down the card to feature these guys. Do you know what Vince changed guys names and pushed homegrown guys or home grown gimmicks over everything else? Because you don't come across second rate that way. This main event could have main evented a RAW in 2006.

With Fortune clearly on the back burner and clearly going nowhere after their loss to EV2 and with Desmond Wolfe on the sidelines and even if he wasn't he'd be put in a position to fail anyway I have no reason to watch this company. I might give them a shot after they have their next life changing forever omgz event. You know once Eric and Hogan get done rap....er I mean working for TNA they might want to see what Ole Anderson is donig. Maybe the Black Scorpion can show up and next years BFG.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Following last night’s TNA Bound for Glory PPV, Kurt Angle posted the following on his Twitter page:

“Despite redislocating my ribs and getting stiched up the match was awesome tonight! But…I am the best wrestler in the world and I don’t do politics. If Hogan doesn’t want the best I’m done. proved I am the best.Screw hogan! Politics will effect wrestling.Why would hogan pick a kid like jeff?I eat sleep and sh#t wrestling. B.S.”

[justtxyank]

Following last night’s TNA Bound for Glory PPV, Kurt Angle posted the following on his Twitter page:

“Despite redislocating my ribs and getting stiched up the match was awesome tonight! But…I am the best wrestler in the world and I don’t do politics. If Hogan doesn’t want the best I’m done. proved I am the best.Screw hogan! Politics will effect wrestling.Why would hogan pick a kid like jeff?I eat sleep and sh#t wrestling. B.S.”

That's obviously a work. He's playing his part of being shocked and upset that Hogan "picked Jeff last night" and "screwed" him.

[Johnny Fenoli]

That's obviously a work. He's playing his part of being shocked and upset that Hogan "picked Jeff last night" and "screwed" him.

yeap... but I thought it helps show which way things seem to be going.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Anyone read the spoilers yet?

http://gerweck.net/2010/10/11/tna-impact-spoilers-for-thursday/

Not going to say anything to spoil anything... but, I dont like how the show looks, based on this...

[matt1986]

A few quick thoughts on last weeks Impact, BFG and TNA in general:

- I understand the end of the Battle Royal was shown on Reaction... we don't get Reaction in Australia so we didn't get to see the end. Stupid, stupid move... people shouldn't be forced to watch another show, just to see the end of the show they were originall watching. That's only going to piss people off!

- The whole Battle Royal was stupid! I was constantly asking myself why? Why bother having it, what is it actually acheiving... plus the match itself just plain sucked (you could tell on TV the crowd wasn't in to it either). Seriously, a Battle Royal for $100,000... why? If you're going to the effort of having one, at least put a title shot on the line (eg: the Battle Royal on Raw last week... at least that meant something).

- Impact pretty much sucked (as most people here have previously said). Awful job of hyping BFG, 4 matches in 2 hours just isn't right. The Abyss angle at the start goes on way too long (as have most of his backstage promos where he beats someone up... they sem to stretch to 15+ minutes when they only really need to take 5 max)

- As for BFG... as most people have already pointed out, nWo v2. So we now have ECW, the nWo and the Four Horseman... plus possibly Sting v Hogan. It's been done over and over again... plus the random group of guys that seem to be part of "They" is just weird... Jarret, Abyss, Jeff Hardy and Hogan in a group together? That just doesn't look right to me. I thought Anderson or Angle would've been a better fit?

- A heel Eric Bischoff is so much better to watch, I'm sick of hearing about how he "respects the hell" out of this guy and that guy (same for Tommy Dreamer and EV 2.0...) Hopefully now he goes back to being the obnoxious, annoying, heel authority type... because like him or not he fits that role perfectly.

- To expand on that point above, can the roster please get back to wrestling and hating each other? I'm sick of every week seeing someone in the ring saying how they respect someone else and what they've done "for the business" blah, blah, blah. Shut up and get back to hating each other!

- Oh and stop using the phrase "the business" or anything like that. And stop talking about what happened 20 years ago, why not talk about what's happening NOW? (Or at least in the last few years at the most!)

- What is TNA's obsession with blood? There's seriously someone getting bloodied in a match every week! Overuse means no one cares... and if no one cares why do it? Save the blood for bigger matches so when it happens it actually means something. Do we really need to see barbed wire every single week? It's good for something different or to really emphasis a fued, but do we need to see it every week? It doesn't really mean anything if we do...

[20LEgend]

A few quick thoughts on last weeks Impact, BFG and TNA in general:

- I understand the end of the Battle Royal was shown on Reaction... we don't get Reaction in Australia so we didn't get to see the end. Stupid, stupid move... people shouldn't be forced to watch another show, just to see the end of the show they were originall watching. That's only going to piss people off!

- The whole Battle Royal was stupid! I was constantly asking myself why? Why bother having it, what is it actually acheiving... plus the match itself just plain sucked (you could tell on TV the crowd wasn't in to it either). Seriously, a Battle Royal for $100,000... why? If you're going to the effort of having one, at least put a title shot on the line (eg: the Battle Royal on Raw last week... at least that meant something).

- Impact pretty much sucked (as most people here have previously said). Awful job of hyping BFG, 4 matches in 2 hours just isn't right. The Abyss angle at the start goes on way too long (as have most of his backstage promos where he beats someone up... they sem to stretch to 15+ minutes when they only really need to take 5 max)

- As for BFG... as most people have already pointed out, nWo v2. So we now have ECW, the nWo and the Four Horseman... plus possibly Sting v Hogan. It's been done over and over again... plus the random group of guys that seem to be part of "They" is just weird... Jarret, Abyss, Jeff Hardy and Hogan in a group together? That just doesn't look right to me. I thought Anderson or Angle would've been a better fit?

- A heel Eric Bischoff is so much better to watch, I'm sick of hearing about how he "respects the hell" out of this guy and that guy (same for Tommy Dreamer and EV 2.0...) Hopefully now he goes back to being the obnoxious, annoying, heel authority type... because like him or not he fits that role perfectly.

- To expand on that point above, can the roster please get back to wrestling and hating each other? I'm sick of every week seeing someone in the ring saying how they respect someone else and what they've done "for the business" blah, blah, blah. Shut up and get back to hating each other!

- Oh and stop using the phrase "the business" or anything like that. And stop talking about what happened 20 years ago, why not talk about what's happening NOW? (Or at least in the last few years at the most!)

- What is TNA's obsession with blood? There's seriously someone getting bloodied in a match every week! Overuse means no one cares... and if no one cares why do it? Save the blood for bigger matches so when it happens it actually means something. Do we really need to see barbed wire every single week? It's good for something different or to really emphasis a fued, but do we need to see it every week? It doesn't really mean anything if we do...

Agree with this. spot on

[Editor6]

Just to add on to the WTFness of all this - and reading some of the feedback on the Observer site reminded me - isn't Jeff Hardy still facing some fairly serious legal issues?

[20LEgend]

Anyone read the spoilers yet?

http://gerweck.net/2010/10/11/tna-impact-spoilers-for-thursday/

Not going to say anything to spoil anything... but, I dont like how the show looks, based on this...

Yeah, this doesn't really appeal to me...


then again i'll still watch :p

[djthefunkchris]

Yeah, this doesn't really appeal to me...


then again i'll still watch :p

THIS!

I really think that this wasn't half as bad as everyone is making it sound. I didn't watch the PPV, but I'm not gonna act like I didn't think something like this was going to happen. Fact is, most of the review's I've read have been all positive untill they talk about "THEY". Well, here is my thoughts.

Although it's not what most people wanted, included yours truly here, it is something that has the whole internet buzzing. Will Hogan and Bischoff "Destroy" TNA as they did WCW? Will TNA ever get smart? How long can they keep doing crap like this? Hogan can't even "Walk"! What's going on here? This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen! Way to blow it AGAIN, TNA!!

Now, remember we are talking about people that think even "Bad" Publicity is good publicity. I really don't think it did the job they were hoping for, and I don't think it's anything like what people thought they were hoping for... I really think they are looking for this "Climatic Moment" to be so "HATED" that even more people will here about TNA and toon in. Although this theory of "Bad" publicity has been shown to fail at times, I dont' think it's going to be this big failure everyone thinks its going to be today.

How many people did reviews for this years, as compared to last years? I mean, this is being talked about probably 10 times more then any event that TNA has ever done... I really think although it's all negative, that they actually did do what they wanted to, just to a much lesser degree. IF TNA wasn't the Internet Darling it is today, for example... if it was more of a mainstream entity then an internet hero, it would probably have payed off more then it will... However, I do think it's going to pay off alot more then this .5 rating people are claiming they won't reach on the next Impact.

[juggaloninjalee]

That show didn't sound terrible. However I don't like Hogan and Fortune being a group. Hopefully Fortune breaks away from Hogans group soon.

Sounds like a show that clears some stuff up and keeps certain things going.

[djthefunkchris]

That show didn't sound terrible. However I don't like Hogan and Fortune being a group. Hopefully Fortune breaks away from Hogans group soon.

Sounds like a show that clears some stuff up and keeps certain things going.

Think about it for a minute though... Who is Fortune? Who is H&B's group? They are all "Heel" right, but who are they going up against?

Nash? Sting? Angle? EV2 (who is supposed to have limited time, leading one to believe they are their to "Put Over" certain people).

Looks to me like they are taking the "New Generation" and pitting them against the "Old Generation"? I guess it's hard to see, since they are being led by Bischoff, Hogan, and Flair.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks pretty good to me, lol.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Watch the spoilers guys... and the problem I had was the number of matches.

[Stennick]

Think about it for a minute though... Who is Fortune? Who is H&B's group? They are all "Heel" right, but who are they going up against?

Nash? Sting? Angle? EV2 (who is supposed to have limited time, leading one to believe they are their to "Put Over" certain people).

Looks to me like they are taking the "New Generation" and pitting them against the "Old Generation"? I guess it's hard to see, since they are being led by Bischoff, Hogan, and Flair.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks pretty good to me, lol.

I have no idea how you came up with the new generation vs the old generation.

The major heel group has half old and half young and the face group has at the very least pope and joe which are young and sting and angle which are old so really there is no old vs. new here which is great because aren't you sick of that storyline. Haven't you had enough of New Blood vs. Millionaires club storylines in TNA. Aren't you sick of the word originals and front line and Main Event Mafia? Aren't you ready for something new?

Anyway yeah there is no old vs. new and old and new vs. old and new.

[crownsy]

well rest assured DJ, some people did actually hate it.

Impact just came off my DVR list and it's going to take some seriously mind blowing shows being talked about here to get me to watch another one.

I'm done TNA, i tap out.

As for the "wow this is the new generation vs. the old!"

They did that stroyline already, it was called the Main Event Mafia vs every young babyface in the company.

It was alright at best, and i'm really not moved to watch the EXACT same setup again.

pass on NW2.0...mabey if it was 2002 or so i'd care.

[Hyde Hill]

THIS! <------

I really think that this wasn't half as bad as everyone is making it sound. I didn't watch the PPV, but I'm not gonna act like I didn't think something like this was going to happen. Fact is, most of the review's I've read have been all positive untill they talk about "THEY". Well, here is my thoughts.

Although it's not what most people wanted, included yours truly here, it is something that has the whole internet buzzing. Will Hogan and Bischoff "Destroy" TNA as they did WCW? Will TNA ever get smart? How long can they keep doing crap like this? Hogan can't even "Walk"! What's going on here? This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen! Way to blow it AGAIN, TNA!!

Now, remember we are talking about people that think even "Bad" Publicity is good publicity. I really don't think it did the job they were hoping for, and I don't think it's anything like what people thought they were hoping for... I really think they are looking for this "Climatic Moment" to be so "HATED" that even more people will here about TNA and toon in. Although this theory of "Bad" publicity has been shown to fail at times, I dont' think it's going to be this big failure everyone thinks its going to be today.

How many people did reviews for this years, as compared to last years? I mean, this is being talked about probably 10 times more then any event that TNA has ever done... I really think although it's all negative, that they actually did do what they wanted to, just to a much lesser degree. IF TNA wasn't the Internet Darling it is today, for example... if it was more of a mainstream entity then an internet hero, it would probably have payed off more then it will... However, I do think it's going to pay off alot more then this .5 rating people are claiming they won't reach on the next Impact.

I won't and I won't spend any money or a real amount of attention on TNA untill they get their act together. And I don't think I will be alone. Temporary rating's increase? Sure. Long term rating increase? Unlikely. Same old same old? Likely. Long term decrease? Possibly.

Personally my interest for now is gone.

[Hyde Hill]

The order of importance right now in TNA:

1. Nostalgia acts. Hogan, Sting, Nash, EV2, Jarrett etc

2. Guys who are still relevant but got most of their exposure elsewhere. Angle, Hardy, RVD, Anderson


VERY VERY BIG GAP

3. Guys who are relevant and got their most exposure in TNA. AJ, Joe, Abyss.

Gap

4. Up and coming talented guys. Morgan, Pope, Kaz, Terry (crap).

Gap

5. Women's division. Within division sex appeal and ex e rule.

6. Tag division.

Gap

7. Gimmicky/sympathy stuff. OJ, EY, Ink Inc, Robbie E etc

Gap

8. X Division.


How it should be and how I would like it.

1. Still relevant and exposure elsewhere

2. Relevent and exposure in TNA.

Small gap.

3. Up and coming talents and head-liners different divisions.

4. Tag division

5. X Division

6. Women, with focus on in ring skill and sex appeal secondary and as anti what the division is about.

Gap

7. Nostalgia

8. Gimmicky sympathy stuff jobbers.

[cappyboy]

Haven't you had enough of New Blood vs. Millionaires club storylines in TNA. Aren't you sick of the word originals and front line and Main Event Mafia? Aren't you ready for something new?

Anyway yeah there is no old vs. new and old and new vs. old and new.

Yeah. That's what we had last year and the payoff got taken out to the trash after only a two and half months for in favor of Hogan/Bischoff

[Gabbo]

Although it's not what most people wanted, included yours truly here, it is something that has the whole internet buzzing. Will Hogan and Bischoff "Destroy" TNA as they did WCW? Will TNA ever get smart? How long can they keep doing crap like this? Hogan can't even "Walk"! What's going on here? This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen! Way to blow it AGAIN, TNA!!

Now, remember we are talking about people that think even "Bad" Publicity is good publicity. I really don't think it did the job they were hoping for, and I don't think it's anything like what people thought they were hoping for... I really think they are looking for this "Climatic Moment" to be so "HATED" that even more people will here about TNA and toon in. Although this theory of "Bad" publicity has been shown to fail at times, I dont' think it's going to be this big failure everyone thinks its going to be today.


I get what you're saying but I really think you're clutching at straws. Chris Benoit's weekend from Hell gave the WWE publicity, almost 100% of it was negative. WCW crumbled under 'all publicity is good publicity' with crap like Rodman, Leno and then Arquette being champion.

This is not good publicity, the only people talking about it are wrestling fans. It's not drawing new people in, it's just turning people away that are already aware of TNA. The WWE could achieve the same level of publicity by bringing back Colin Delaney and putting the WWE title on him in his first match. It's largely the same thing, people who would be aware of it and would care would be people already in the know and they would probably all hate it.

If it worked for you, fair enough, I hope you enjoy it and I'm sure some people will tune in to see what happens this week, I just don't think it will work in the long term.

I dunno, I don't really care about TNA. I don't really care about Hogan, Bischoff or Hardy. I stopped caring a long time ago and this sort of negative press is doing nothing to pull me back in. I don't want to keep trotting out the same TNA cliches but the talent is there to have a real go at the WWE, it's just so sad what's happening.

[lazorbeak]

I get what you're saying but I really think you're clutching at straws. Chris Benoit's weekend from Hell gave the WWE publicity, almost 100% of it was negative. WCW crumbled under 'all publicity is good publicity' with crap like Rodman, Leno and then Arquette being champion.

Rodman and Leno didn't hurt WCW, and both were involved during the absolute height of the company. WCW didn't "crumble" because of their involvement. As dumb as Arquette as champion was, it wasn't even a top 5 reason WCW no longer exists as a wrestling promotion.

[Gabbo]

Using it to demonstrate a point, however I disagree with you on Arquette. I'd say he was in the top 5 reasons why WCW failed. Along with backstage politics that meant constant rewrites of the script forced WCW to go live and have to wing it. That's a broad enough point that you could also take other factors from it such as refusal to put younger guys over, the dragging on of expired stories like the nWo and the cost of flying out the entire roster to every show because the shows weren't written and they had no idea who they needed.

But yeah Arquette brought the credibility of the WCW championship to an all time low - I can't be bothered to argue why that is so important because I think most people know what we're talking about and have their own opinion already.

[djthefunkchris]

Yeah. That's what we had last year and the payoff got taken out to the trash after only a two and half months for in favor of Hogan/Bischoff

If they get any new viewers at all, the new viewers won't know.

As I said, I don't think this will be anywhere near what they hoped for, but I think everyone is being a little "self worthy" to believe just because a few internet/long time TNA fans are turned off, that other's won't turn it on.

I would make this SAME EXACT debate in the WWE discussion thread. We are not THAT important in the overall picture. I hate what happened, for example... that doesn't mean the whole city where I live is going to watch something different... Most people don't even watch TNA PPV's.... and most don't ever see spoiler's... but us... the mighty few, believe we will change the course of TNA by turning to a different channel.

I bet this does more good then bad, and if it lasts depends on who leaves TNA and who doesn't (meaning, if all the main players leave... it could die fast).

Maybe saying New vs. Old is wrong, but let me expand on what I'm saying.I have no idea how you came up with the new generation vs the old generation. You have Flair's group, which is relatively 'young' which is part of it. You have Hardy, debatebly the most popular guy on the roster... then you have all these established (as far as TNA is concerned) stars against this.. Sting, Angle, Joe, etc.

Somoa Joe isn't well known with the WWE crowd, but he is as far as TNA is concerned, and I believe Pope was "Huge" before all the newer faces started popping into the company, at least by TNA standards.

Now, that's not to say I mean fully Young vs. Old, but maybe a better word would have been Established vs. Less Established. Yes, you have Hardy, Hogan, Abyss, Flair and AJ (Established), but I agree with splitting it up a little, as you have to have people that are going to draw on both sides of the scale. Although I wouldn't have gone this route, If someone said to make a storyline like this, using these people, it's somewhat how I would do it. So now AJ get's the rub from Flair, Hogan, Bishoff, and Hardy... IF that doesn't make him a household name (in combination with his in ring performance), I'm not sure anything TNA does (at this popularity) ever will. This brings an awesome amount of talent that can be concentrated on...although we know TNA will mess that up by concentrating on a dozen per every one that they should concentrate on, lol. Just saying, it's not a bad set-up to go from for the future, just bad it was on their number one PPV.

So here we are, the aftermath of the PPV, with a year untill the next one to work something up that might work in entirely the opposite way this one did (meaning, something everyone will love, rather then hate). SO I'm a little more optimistic about TNA then most, which is rather weird since I can barely sit through the dang show.

[djthefunkchris]

I get what you're saying but I really think you're clutching at straws. Chris Benoit's weekend from Hell gave the WWE publicity, almost 100% of it was negative. WCW crumbled under 'all publicity is good publicity' with crap like Rodman, Leno and then Arquette being champion.

This is not good publicity, the only people talking about it are wrestling fans. It's not drawing new people in, it's just turning people away that are already aware of TNA. The WWE could achieve the same level of publicity by bringing back Colin Delaney and putting the WWE title on him in his first match. It's largely the same thing, people who would be aware of it and would care would be people already in the know and they would probably all hate it.

If it worked for you, fair enough, I hope you enjoy it and I'm sure some people will tune in to see what happens this week, I just don't think it will work in the long term.

I dunno, I don't really care about TNA. I don't really care about Hogan, Bischoff or Hardy. I stopped caring a long time ago and this sort of negative press is doing nothing to pull me back in. I don't want to keep trotting out the same TNA cliches but the talent is there to have a real go at the WWE, it's just so sad what's happening.

It could potentially end up just like this as well.

I don't really like TNA, and haven't since the first time I watched it. This isn't a "I'm a TNA fan and so everything they do I will be for" thing for me. I can understand your feeling on the matter, and everyone else's for that matter.

The main thing I agree with in your post though, is the bolded. They have MORE TALENT, and MORE NAMES then WWE has right now.. but WWE keeps creating credible opponants for the long term stars in people like Miz, Shaemus, even Daniels to an extent... is made to look like he could make anyone tap if the right situations present themselves. Not to mention Nexxus.

These are things that TNA just don't do... You never see a one on one thing that doesn't end up being a "Pile On" thing... Which ruins the whole thing, too many people to concentrate on at one time. I wish they would learn that. You have to concentrate on ONE person at a TIME... not the whole show, you can concentrate on as many people as you want (limited by your time allotment), but to get people interested in one person, that person has to have the spotlight on them and only them during their time in the light.

[sebsplex]

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:rolleyes:

Know what I was just thinking.... Take out, Jarrett and Hogan... and I would've really liked this. You have to leave Bischoff as the one who got it started. Bring in James Mitchell and a couple of other "twisted" individuals... Have hardy play a dark character.... and I'd be down. I dont wanna see Jarrett on my screen unless he's putting over people.

I don't actually mind Jarrett being involved. It's Hogan's presence that bothers me (and not from an anti-Hogan perspective). If Bischoff had turned heel with Jarrett, yet Hogan remained face, that would have given us a different dynamic - sell it as Jarrett and Bischoff using Hogan and his 'name' to get what they want - Jarrett gets back control of TNA from Dixie and Bischoff gets true power in a promotion, something he hasn't had since WCW folded. Hogan then becomes an isolated figure as people accuse him of being 'in on it', etc, expecting him to turn later, whatever, struggling to rally and organise those who oppose the new oppressive 'they' regime. That still wouldn't be great, but it's better than seeing them both in played out roles that really don't have anywhere left to go. Even heel Hogan and face Bischoff would provide some sort of new dynamic to get my teeth into.

Apparently Bischoff is promising this storyline has a load of twists the fans won't see coming, but my problem with TNA is that you don't see the twists coming because they're either a) illogical or b) the angle is so convoluted that I don't really know what's going on, lessening the impact of said twist.

Like for instance the 'twist' is that Sting and Pope were all along the good guys in the story, despite the former deliberately acting as heelish as humanly possible and being sold by everyone else and their mother on Impact as a heel. That's force-feeding me something and then telling me further down the line that I'm wrong. That's not a twist. That's not a character with 'shades of gray'. That just leaves me feeling that I've wasted my time investing any interest in the first place, not enjoying an unexpected turn of events.

These are things that TNA just don't do... You never see a one on one thing that doesn't end up being a "Pile On" thing... Which ruins the whole thing, too many people to concentrate on at one time. I wish they would learn that. You have to concentrate on ONE person at a TIME... not the whole show, you can concentrate on as many people as you want (limited by your time allotment), but to get people interested in one person, that person has to have the spotlight on them and only them during their time in the light.

In fairness TNA can do this, but they seem to lack any long term direction/focus. For instance, they did a GREAT job in pushing Jay Lethal recently, but after going over in his fued with Flair, he's jobbed out a couple of times and is now trading the X-Division title with Amazing Red at house shows. Matt Morgan is another example, had a good thing going, then gets lumped into Fourtune as the bodyguard and while not wasted, he lacks any real exposure as an individual character in the group. For all that Morgan is doing now, you might as well have stuck Rob Terry in there instead.

[djthefunkchris]

In fairness TNA can do this, but they seem to lack any long term direction/focus. For instance, they did a GREAT job in pushing Jay Lethal recently, but after going over in his fued with Flair, he's jobbed out a couple of times and is now trading the X-Division title with Amazing Red at house shows. Matt Morgan is another example, had a good thing going, then gets lumped into Fourtune as the bodyguard and while not wasted, he lacks any real exposure as an individual character in the group. For all that Morgan is doing now, you might as well have stuck Rob Terry in there instead.

That's true. They always leave things undone... You can't "Make a Star" then feed them to the wolves... Now that they have reached a certain peak, they should be in the same playground... unless you have a good reason why they are not... Otherwise the audience just goes, ah... guess it was fluke.

[Hyde Hill]

If they get any new viewers at all, the new viewers won't know.

As I said, I don't think this will be anywhere near what they hoped for, but I think everyone is being a little "self worthy" to believe just because a few internet/long time TNA fans are turned off, that other's won't turn it on.

I would make this SAME EXACT debate in the WWE discussion thread. We are not THAT important in the overall picture. I hate what happened, for example... that doesn't mean the whole city where I live is going to watch something different... Most people don't even watch TNA PPV's.... and most don't ever see spoiler's... but us... the mighty few, believe we will change the course of TNA by turning to a different channel.

I bet this does more good then bad, and if it lasts depends on who leaves TNA and who doesn't (meaning, if all the main players leave... it could die fast).

Maybe saying New vs. Old is wrong, but let me expand on what I'm saying. You have Flair's group, which is relatively 'young' which is part of it. You have Hardy, debatebly the most popular guy on the roster... then you have all these established (as far as TNA is concerned) stars against this.. Sting, Angle, Joe, etc.

Somoa Joe isn't well known with the WWE crowd, but he is as far as TNA is concerned, and I believe Pope was "Huge" before all the newer faces started popping into the company, at least by TNA standards.

Now, that's not to say I mean fully Young vs. Old, but maybe a better word would have been Established vs. Less Established. Yes, you have Hardy, Hogan, Abyss, Flair and AJ (Established), but I agree with splitting it up a little, as you have to have people that are going to draw on both sides of the scale. Although I wouldn't have gone this route, If someone said to make a storyline like this, using these people, it's somewhat how I would do it. So now AJ get's the rub from Flair, Hogan, Bishoff, and Hardy... IF that doesn't make him a household name (in combination with his in ring performance), I'm not sure anything TNA does (at this popularity) ever will. This brings an awesome amount of talent that can be concentrated on...although we know TNA will mess that up by concentrating on a dozen per every one that they should concentrate on, lol. Just saying, it's not a bad set-up to go from for the future, just bad it was on their number one PPV.

So here we are, the aftermath of the PPV, with a year untill the next one to work something up that might work in entirely the opposite way this one did (meaning, something everyone will love, rather then hate). SO I'm a little more optimistic about TNA then most, which is rather weird since I can barely sit through the dang show.

Actually pope was pretty low on the pecking order but getting a push and he got his main push under EB and H while all the new stars came in. Just clarifying not caring about TNA again. Pope's push was/is actually one of the good thing's they did booking wise.

PS If anyone is expecting a rant, I am not the type to do that and have cooled down enough. If anyone wants a review of EB and H era so far let me know. Not bothered to write it if anyone else isn't interested.

[Bigpapa42]

Thanks TNA, I'm done. Its been fun.

[cappyboy]

If they get any new viewers at all, the new viewers won't know.

As I said, I don't think this will be anywhere near what they hoped for, but I think everyone is being a little "self worthy" to believe just because a few internet/long time TNA fans are turned off, that other's won't turn it on.

I would make this SAME EXACT debate in the WWE discussion thread. We are not THAT important in the overall picture. I hate what happened, for example... that doesn't mean the whole city where I live is going to watch something different... Most people don't even watch TNA PPV's.... and most don't ever see spoiler's... but us... the mighty few, believe we will change the course of TNA by turning to a different channel.

I bet this does more good then bad, and if it lasts depends on who leaves TNA and who doesn't (meaning, if all the main players leave... it could die fast).

Maybe saying New vs. Old is wrong, but let me expand on what I'm saying. You have Flair's group, which is relatively 'young' which is part of it. You have Hardy, debatebly the most popular guy on the roster... then you have all these established (as far as TNA is concerned) stars against this.. Sting, Angle, Joe, etc.

Somoa Joe isn't well known with the WWE crowd, but he is as far as TNA is concerned, and I believe Pope was "Huge" before all the newer faces started popping into the company, at least by TNA standards.

Now, that's not to say I mean fully Young vs. Old, but maybe a better word would have been Established vs. Less Established. Yes, you have Hardy, Hogan, Abyss, Flair and AJ (Established), but I agree with splitting it up a little, as you have to have people that are going to draw on both sides of the scale. Although I wouldn't have gone this route, If someone said to make a storyline like this, using these people, it's somewhat how I would do it. So now AJ get's the rub from Flair, Hogan, Bishoff, and Hardy... IF that doesn't make him a household name (in combination with his in ring performance), I'm not sure anything TNA does (at this popularity) ever will. This brings an awesome amount of talent that can be concentrated on...although we know TNA will mess that up by concentrating on a dozen per every one that they should concentrate on, lol. Just saying, it's not a bad set-up to go from for the future, just bad it was on their number one PPV.

So here we are, the aftermath of the PPV, with a year untill the next one to work something up that might work in entirely the opposite way this one did (meaning, something everyone will love, rather then hate). SO I'm a little more optimistic about TNA then most, which is rather weird since I can barely sit through the dang show.

Except my point isn't being "self-worthy" as such. Ever hear the old saw about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? That's TNA in a nutshell. They are insane. They keep trying to change the world every few months and they can't see the time for theatrics has passed and that it's time to use what they've got. It's not like the cupboard is bare.

Any new viewers might not know it right away. But in a year, eighteen months time, they could very well come to figure it out. And at the end of that period when they are making the same point I am now, is their point to be brushed aside as well? TNA wants so badly to be a big boy they aren't willing to take the steps it takes to get there.

If guys like AJ and Pope and Joe and Abyss and so on are ever going to grow and be the talents the company has built them into, TNA has to get out of this idea of microwaved stars and let their base spread the gospel of the "originals" to the masses. If they don't, who's going to be there in ten, fifteen years when the page needs to turn again? Who's going to make the next generation look good if the current one never gets to run with the ball? What if no one had taken the chance on Hogan and Flair and RVD and Hardy and so on? Where would today's scene and that of the last decade or so have been? If TNA can't find a time to let the guys in/near the prime to do their thing, they don't DESERVE to exist in ten or fifteen years for that answer to develop naturally.

[The Final Countdown]

Thanks TNA, I'm done. Its been fun.
I'm tempted to say that, too, but they DO still have the Machine Guns, who I love and who, hopefully, won't get caught up in the "They" garbage. Maybe I'll just read the show line-up each week, and if the Guns are set to appear, I'll DVR it so I can catch them.

[Self]

Because I noticed something Hyde said about "no longer spending money", and y'all set me up with an opening line...

Let's talk some Self Worth!

How much have I spent on the TNA product over the years?

PPV Being in the UK, I couldn't buy them if I wanted to. . . . £0
Live Event Tickets I went to a show when they first came to the UK, and took a couple of friends. Good show, but once was enough, and there haven't been anyone coming in to make me go "Ooh! I gotta see him live" (except for Hogan, who doesn't make the trip) . . . . £70
DVD? I own 3. 'Best of AJ Styles', The Beer Money/MCMG Fandamonium, and the World X Cup. . . . £30
T-Shirts? Never seen one that tickles my fancy. . . . £0

So really I've only spent £100 on their product over the last 3 years. The argument could be made that I'm not of much value to them. However, how much COULD I spend?

PPV is a non-issue. Their booking isn't what's stopping me, rather their TV deal. I recently drove 5 hours to go to a Dragon Gate show, so I'm willing to face toil and hardship for good live entertainment featuring guys I like. I'll never buy PPV DVDs as typically I only like 1-3 matches on a card, but I dig wrestler specific compilations (Jericho's on it's way). I currently own 3 wrestling shirts (Bret Hart, Hardy Boyz & Dragon Gate) and would be interested in more... but I'm kinda picky on design. Nothing "too wrestling".

If I loved the product, I could see myself going to the annual UK tour, buying a t-shirt, and picking up a couple of DVD's throughout the year. Maybe £100 annually. That's my Self Worth, and thanks to TNA's booking, that's £100 less in their pockets. What's that $133?

Which I should add, they lost LONG before 'They' came about.

[Bigpapa42]

I'm tempted to say that, too, but they DO still have the Machine Guns, who I love and who, hopefully, won't get caught up in the "They" garbage. Maybe I'll just read the show line-up each week, and if the Guns are set to appear, I'll DVR it so I can catch them.

The thought that they do have talent I like and its not all terrible kept me watching for awhile. But "They" turning out to be a takeoff of the NWO proved to me, as I feared from the day they arrived, that Hogan and Bischoff are incapable of being original or fresh whatsoever. I realize that seeing WCW 1996 play out in TNA in 2010 might appeal to some fans, and I can accept that. It does not appeal to me. I could send logical emails to Dixie, Bischoff, etc, and explain myself, but I have no faith I would be regarded as anything more than a "hater". So I'm going to express my displeasure by simply not giving them my time anymore.

I realize they will still produce some quality matches. And I'm certain that the IWC will make me aware of those matches, and I will find a way to view them if I am so inclined.

[liontamer]

I'm not entirely certain it's going to end up as another nWo just yet. Besides, wasn't it EB that was against WWE bringing back nWo as "some sort of stale retrend" when he debuted as GM?

I'm thinking there will be a few twists and turns to differntiate it, and I think that's the plan. It's not necessarily the creation of another supergoup that I think they want, but the mystery that will probably play out week to week regarding who is really a part of the group or looking to join it, that's what made the nWo successful. It's not just that you had Hogan and the outsiders, but the week to week accusations that a given person was about to join or that they announced they had a new member and you had to try to figure out who it was.

And having the group also gives guys like Joe and Pope a bunch of logical feuds in the upper card that that can use to build themselves up.

So I'm waiting to see how it plays out the next several weeks before I offically give it a FAIL.


Also, unless there is another surprise coming or that I missed, I'm confused on what Dixie's hype leading up to the event was for. On her end she wasn't supposed to know this was going to happen and I didn't see any other surprises or big things that could have been what she referred to the last several weeks in terms of big changes in TNA's direction at BFG. This is one of the more illogical things they've done recently in terms of storyline and marketing.

[Bigpapa42]

See, to me its not the storyline itself. It could turn out that they steer it as far as possible away from NWO. But at this point, it sure feels like NWO. The swerve to end the PPV... the people involved... It all seems very intended to invoke images of the NWO to me. If it wasn't intended that way, they sure mucked up badly.

No, my concern comes down to the fact that Bishcoff & Hogan seem simply unable to do anything but look to the past. I'm not at all against reusing old storylines, as I said just a few pages ago, but I do like the promotion to at least make an attempt to have things feel fresh and not simply reptetition. TNA seems to go out of their way to make it feel like reptetition. And its not just "They". Its The Band, Fortune, EV2.0, the Sting-Nash stuff...

And as for Self's assessment (hah!), I agree. I have given precious little money to TNA in the two years plus that I've watched. But I have given them my time by watching Impact each week. I've added to those ratings. I've never felt inclined to buy the PPVs because TNA has never sold me on them. Its not money - I can more than afford them. But I'm not giving away my money - earn it. And TNA hasn't. As WWE has only rarely in the past few years.

[PeterHilton]

I'm thinking there will be a few twists and turns to differntiate it, and I think that's the plan. It's not necessarily the creation of another supergoup that I think they want, but the mystery that will probably play out week to week regarding who is really a part of the group or looking to join it, that's what made the nWo successful. It's not just that you had Hogan and the outsiders, but the week to week accusations that a given person was about to join or that they announced they had a new member and you had to try to figure out who it was.

You said something similar when you posted that incredibly baffling fantasy booking a few pages back. Let me ask you something:

1) Based on TNA's previous booking or these types of stories (i.e Joe feuding with MEM for months and then joining them for no apparent reason) what makes you think the 'twits and turns' would make any more sense or be any more compelling than what's happened up to this point?

2) How exactly would these 'clues' that were allegedly left behind be picked up by the average viewer?

3) Wouldn't that type of storyline STILL be an nWo rip off?

4) Does a storyline that includes that many convoluted twists and turns actually make for a more enjoyable wrestling program? I mean...unless you're a giant fan of something like Lost ..how does a convoluted storyline with a million clues that the average fan can't pick up on that goes nowhere and has no pay off make TNA better?

Was TNA better when the MEM was the central focus of the show?

So I'm waiting to see how it plays out the next several weeks before I offically give it a FAIL.

Good for you. As a longtime follower and viewer of TNA in all it's glorious ineptitude and as a longtime critic of Bischoff and Hogan and their inability to sacrifice their egos for the good of the company hey work for, I'm positivie that there's almost no way for this to go well.

I read the spoilers and it already sounds awful. But it's good you're openminded.

I just think that a lot of people reached the end of their ropes.

Also, unless there is another surprise coming or that I missed, I'm confused on what Dixie's hype leading up to the event was for. On her end she wasn't supposed to know this was going to happen and I didn't see any other surprises or big things that could have been what she referred to the last several weeks in terms of big changes in TNA's direction at BFG. This is one of the more illogical things they've done recently in terms of storyline and marketing.

Well, duh. It IS TNA. :p ;)

[Stennick]

All this ownership talk is making my head heart.

First Jarrett was the owner, then Jarrett and Dixie, then we had a MILLION director's of authority. Erik freaking Watts was a Director of Authority, seriously.

After that they brought Foley in and HE was an owner, then Hogan came in and HE was an owner. Now Bischoff has "Control".

Seriously this is awful.

Hogan comes in and buys part of the company so it makes Foley and JJ's ownership null and void somehow? I thought Bischoff already had control since he was doing all the match making. Why was he allowed to be a heel with The Band and treating JJ that way if Dixie or Hogan could have stopped it at any time?

Why did they have to wait seven months to take "full control" from Dixie. Isn't Hogan part owner and wasn't Bischoff already "president" or whatever. I mean Bischoff was allowed to mis treat everyone from Jay Lethal to Foley to Jarett and Dixie didn't step in so why would she step in if Jeff Hardy joined him?

And now Flair JOINS Hogan so we have a stable of Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, Abyss, Hardy, Flair, AJ, Beer Money, Kaz and Morgan? ELEVEN guys in one stable seriously? How in the hell are you going to get eleven guys booked relevently on a card? Are we going to get 2001 WWF where we would have random ten man tags between the Alliance and the WWF mid card jobbers because they had all these guys and nothing for them to do?

Wasn't the knock on the nWo was that they got too big and too many guys were left without anything to do other than come out and hang around while the main eventers cut promos? Isn't that what this is going to be? How are Matt Morgan, Kaz, Beer Money going to get ANY promo time when their lost in an eleven man shuffle?

Final Countdown mentioned that he liked MCMG so he might still watch. My question is who are they going to face now? Are you really interested in Team 3D vs. MCMG? We just had Gen Me vs. MCMG and we just got done with Beer Money vs. MCMG, their tag division is dead in the water.

Hyde your break down of what is important in TNA and the gaps and what not is SPOT on exactly how I see it (that feels weird to agree with you completely on something TNA related :D)

Finally Eric Bischoff ripping the WWF for re creating the nWo and a retrend was just him having a snarky, holier than thou attitude. He's most likely upset they didn't call him to be a part of it. If they would have brought in the nWo during the InVasion we could have had some classic match ups. Can you imagine Hogan vs. Austin, Hogan vs. The Rock, Outsiders vs. New Age Outlaws, nWo vs. DX. So if anything they should have done it a year earlier. I find it funny that Eric is talking about anything being a retrend when we just got done having Eric, Hogan, Sting, Nash and Jarrett feuding over stuff that went back to 1996 and WCW. Eric runs off at the mouth about a lot of things and I've given the guy credit. Hell I even bought his book when it came out. I thought the way he went about taking Vince down was brilliant. The guy knew what he was doing in 95 and 96.

Nitro was unpredictable, it was new, it was fresh, he was giving away results, he was on when the WWF went to commercial, he booked pay per view main events on Nitro. It was a lot more than just him buying up a lot of WWF talent he knew how to use them and did so brilliantly for two years before things just got too big and he had made too many promises to too many guys and nobody wanted to play together by 1997. Like others have said I think it was Peter maybe DJ or BP but someone said that Eric took one idea (nWo) and just beat it into the ground. His solution for a gimmick change was to make somebody the nWo or get them kicked out of the nWo. Then he created two nWo's. Then he created another nWo. Nearly up until the time the guy was let go there was some incarnation of the nWo out there and when he came back in 2000 guess what? The New Blood might as well have been nWo light. Eric's fresh ideas have been gone since 1996 which saddens me because he was the one guy I really thought knew what he was doing but clearly I see that either he never did or he's just there to collect a paycheck until he's fired and TNA latches onto their next booking messiah.