The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I am liking their version of the nWo theme.

I was just thinking that.

[Franchise22]

I am liking their version of the nWo theme.

agreed, not bad. not as edgy but not bad.

[justtxyank]

LOL Hogan.

I've been in the back all day long...


Really? The last hour was your limo driving to the arena.

[alden]

it is war time.......raw is now on...lets see if it gets better now.

[alden]

LOL Hogan.

I've been in the back all day long...


Really? The last hour was your limo driving to the arena.

lol i just noticed that......laughed my ass off

[cmdrsam]

Yeah he has been in the back of limo.:p

[Hyde Hill]

Jezus I wanna see! Wanna see! Plz someone help me! Can't sleep and wait for the download and can't find a stream. Seems Jeff was really an on the fly decision which resulted in the fail of the cage match. Hope its an actual contract or something on paper for Jeff.

[Hyde Hill]

And for me its "legal" I think as no WWE or TNA on tv ever in the Netherlands.

[PeterHilton]

This promo just killed the show's momentum.

[Nedew]

Funnily enough, they seem to be making the point that "this is a different time/place (ie. not WCW)". Are you lot appeased yet? :p

[cmdrsam]

OMG Hyde, your missing Godzilla and Batman appearing too. :p

[Hyde Hill]

If I mis RVD appearing I will be one pissed person lolz. BTW I think the Lashley deal is just to turn him heel for when he faces AJ/Angle

[haloed]

So its the nWo reunion show?

[PeterHilton]

This is NOT making me want to keep watching.

[Marshall]

Eric Bischoff and the nWo or Michaels=Bret Hart face-off? raw it is i reckon...

EDIT: I think the youngest person on a wrestling show atm is Sean Waltman, which is very sad...

[Nedew]

I am CONVINCED i heard some guy yell "SUPER DRAGON!" in the crowd a second ago.

Also, Bischoff ftw.

[Hyde Hill]

Grrrr at bad booking + Production ( Its the old WCW production crew how can they screw up even worse then normal?)

Possible Yay on Hardy

Meh on Flair

Short term possible yay on Hall and X-Pac

Edit: Bischoff on screen Yay, Love spunge boo

from what I have read

[alden]

hyde check your pm

[Eisen-verse]

God, I love Bischoff. ha.

[Nedew]

'Producer'? 'Director'? Was that Russo just sacked or something?

[haloed]

I'm just happy to see the Stinger there!!

[GDE71]

I'm giving them the whole night plus Thursday the 14th.

WWE is just gonna be the same stuff with a bit of Bret Hart.

[alden]

WOW..........Bishoff can still talk big time.

[Hyde Hill]

Thanks Alden and Edgeofreason but JustinTV is an every 20 second refresh for me in the Netherlands and doing that for 2 hours ehhmmm no. Plus the one that asks for a survey has none available for my country. Man sometimes being Dutch sucks grrrrrrrr.

Thanks anyways guys.

[Eisen-verse]

I gotta say, I quite like Bischoff's rant. It makes me want to watch TNA going forward.

[PeterHilton]

UGH...I know it's going to come off as sexist but if the only real match you're going to show in the first hour and a half are Knockouts matches, you arent winning new viewers.

EDIT: nevermind, the E countered with their far inferior Divas division. :confused:

[Hyde Hill]

from 411mania

The word from backstage at TNA Impact, according to Dave Meltzer, is that TNA has talked Jeff Hardy into signing with the company.

So they have something on paper. Smart move lure in Shanon and actually sign Hardy just as I would have done it hehe.

[Nedew]

Apparently Awesome Kong is like a "small foreign car falling on your chest". Cheers for that Taz :D

[Eisen-verse]

So they have something on paper. Smart move lure in Shanon and actually sign Hardy just as I would have done it hehe.

Not a huge Shannon Moore fan really... but... It'd be interesting to see them paired together (unless they already have in TNA... I'm a novice with this company). Their personas seem pretty close to one another these days.

[PeterHilton]

Not a huge Shannon Moore fan really... but... It'd be interesting to see them paired together (unless they already have in TNA... I'm a novice with this company). Their personas seem pretty close to one another these days.

Hardy is a major star.

Why on earth would you pair him with a never was like Shannon Moore. That'd be a total waste.

[GDE71]

They really need to have some solid wrestling the rest of the way as they seemed to try to out WWE in the first hour.....

[Franchise22]

i liked the hogan promo. shooting down the nWo urges, and wCw mistakes. i liked it.

[Hyde Hill]

No word if they actually signed Shannon or if I was them sign Shannon short term and Hardy long term pending court decision. Moore and Neal would make a decent jobber tag team though maybe.

[Franchise22]

No word if they actually signed Shannon or if I was them sign Shannon short term and Hardy long term pending court decision. Moore and Neal would make a decent jobber tag team though maybe.

him and hardy are buddies, im sure moore has been signed.

[The Final Countdown]

I love Hamada/Kong as a team.

[PeterHilton]

That was a VERY solid match. Divas and Knockouts are total opposites and that was a good way to drive that fact home.

Still think featuring the women in-ring this much up to this point wasn't a great call though.

[cmdrsam]

Its mr venis himself.

[Franchise22]

o...m.....g.....

the big valbowksi!!!!!

YES!

[alden]

Venis Envy is back.............

[Hyde Hill]

Have they actually announced any other matches? They should have done so in the first hour. I thought Lashley/Daniels/Wolfe vs AJ would have been logical.

[Hyde Hill]

plz no Orlando Jordan/Nast Boyz/Ed Leslie plz plz plz (other then a cameo)

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Val Venis? TNA must have doubled their roster tonight.

[cmdrsam]

OMG Hyde. Superman is here. :p

[alden]

I hate to say it but it looks like right now tna is not about matches.......it is about introducing new talent.

[Marshall]

Val Venis? TNA must have doubled their roster tonight.

Why do you think Cena's not supposed to be on Raw tonight? :p

[Tyler Gadzinski]

It's there first Monday live show.. of course it's gonna be pulling ratings from names coming in.. nobody knows about there previous match quality but if people hear that Hogan, Venis, Flair, Hall, Waltman and other names there gonna watch just to see them.

[justtxyank]

OMG the Nasty Boys lol. ROFL.

I will admit to loving those guys.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

lol Nasty Boyz. What other retreads are coming? The Shockmaster anybody?

[cmdrsam]

Hyde, The Dallas Cheerleaders are on.


WTF a 2 second match.

[Franchise22]

nasty boys?

wow

im sure alot of these have to be one night appearances. a play on "hogans friends" getting jobs. making appearances but wont be allowed in.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Please no Shockmaster.. that's impossible.... but expect to see Arquette and Virgil.

[PeterHilton]

im sure alot of these have to be one night appearances. a play on "hogans friends" getting jobs. making appearances but wont be allowed in.

This.

Hernandez and Morgan (especially Morgan) are wasted currently.

[justtxyank]

TNA sucks so bad right now.

We are 1.5 hours in and all we've gotten are a botched up X-Division match, knockout matches, and a 20 second squash match.

Sigh.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Orlando Jordan.. WOW!

[cmdrsam]

Hahha, here is Jordon right on que.



Whoopi Goldeberg look a like. HEHEE

[Franchise22]

orlando jordan?

[justtxyank]

I can't believe Orlando Jordan is on TNA. What a stupid stupid stupid stupid decision.

[alden]

Jordan? Not huge but he had some talent

[PeterHilton]

Random black guy feud out of the Eric Bischoff Booking 101

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Just thinking how the hell are they going to integrate all these guys into the roster without using a huge stable storyline?

[haloed]

Man The Pope is great on the mic!

[justtxyank]

Just thinking how the hell are they going to integrate all these guys into the roster without using a huge stable storyline?

Hopefully most of them are one off appearances.

[The Final Countdown]

TNA sucks so bad right now.

We are 1.5 hours in and all we've gotten are a botched up X-Division match, knockout matches, and a 20 second squash match.

Sigh.
I'll take Hamada/Kong over 90% of the WWE roster. But you're right, not nearly enough wrestling.

[justtxyank]

I'll take Hamada/Kong over 90% of the WWE roster. But you're right, not nearly enough wrestling.

If you are nearly halfway through your show and your best match is a women's match, you are in trouble in this industry.

[alden]

pope over wolf? Wow.....did you make the right choice there nigel lol

[GDE71]

pope over wolf? Wow.....did you make the right choice there nigel lol

That was my initial thought.....

Hopefully it's just a small move to midcard/(low) upper midcard

[haloed]

pope over wolf? Wow.....did you make the right choice there nigel lol

I don't think its such a bad thing. The only thing I don't like about it is the short match makes Nigel look weak. If it were longer and Pope gets the win out of nowhere it wouldn't be so bad imo.

[Franchise22]

that was very surprising to me as well, pope over wolfe....

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Not really.. it could attract guys who just want to see two chicks roll around in very little clothing in a ring. And it's a Live show.. some of there talent must be nervous for TV and try a little harder than they normally would.

[Hyde Hill]

TB they ****ed up the Asylum previous matches although spotfests where always entertaining.

[The Final Countdown]

If you are nearly halfway through your show and your best match is a women's match, you are in trouble in this industry.
I would be very surprised if any match on Raw tonight tops that.

[PeterHilton]

That was phenomenally stupid.

Wolfe has already proved that the fans love him and he can work with virtually everyone in the main event scene.

He just had two MOTY candidate performances with Angle, and would probably do the same with Daniels, AJ, and Joe...having him lose to Pope on this show... ouch

[Hyde Hill]

20 second wolf over pope wtf?! I like both I would have gone for the draw here. Or cheet heel win.

[alden]

who the hell was that? bubba something?

[PeterHilton]

who the hell was that? bubba something?

Hogans personal groupie, Bubba the Love Sponge...douchebag shock radio jabronie

[The Final Countdown]

That was phenomenally stupid.

Wolfe has already proved that the fans love him and he can work with virtually everyone in the main event scene.

He just had two MOTY candidate performances with Angle, and would probably do the same with Daniels, AJ, and Joe...having him lose to Pope on this show... ouch
Yes, that was INCREDIBLY stupid. The Knockouts tag match aside, this show has been pretty bad from what I've seen (didn't see much of the Hogan promo because I switched over to see Bret.)

[justtxyank]

OH MY GOD.

I'm turning TNA off. These commercials are absolutely outrageous.

[GDE71]

Way too many commercials.....

[Marshall]

I'm surprised anyone expected any different - an X Division scramble, a couple of decent knockout matches, a rushed match with two decent workers, a 20 minute Hogan promo and countless shots of Jeff Jarrett wandering around backstage.

It's exactly as I expected...

[The Final Countdown]

OH MY GOD.

I'm turning TNA off. These commercials are absolutely outrageous.
Not as outrageous as all these random, meaningless surprise appearances.

Jeff Hardy was fine. Ric Flair was fine. I didn't need Val Venis, Orlando Jordan or The Nasty Boys, thank you.

[justtxyank]

FYI, PWI confirmed that Jeff Hardy has signed a contract with TNA.

[cmdrsam]

I think BigPappa said it best. This is not a night for wrestling per say. They are litterly throwing everything against the wall to see what is gonna stick. I will admit. I am gitty. If this was a week in and week out booking scheme I would be very turned off. But this is a play on "How big can we be" So far, match wise, dissapointed. Show wise and am I being entertained, I would say yes. But again lets see how this plays out over the coming weeks before we start crapping all over it. I for one have been dissappointed with TNA except for the last month. Some things look like they are starting to come togethor. Now lets see if the storylines and the talent can mesh with the new arrivals. Do I hope the Nasty Boys stay. O lord no. But face them against MCMG or some other team. And of course have the TNA home grown talent go ever eventually then yes it would be worth. Do I want to see Hall go on a title run? NO. But in short term am I glad he came, yes.

[GDE71]

I just don't understand how they didn't line the show up better than they have. We see JJ. Go to commercial. We see JJ again. Go to commercial. Hey JJ is almost ready to come to the Impact zone. Go to commercial.



Also, No AJ No Angle NO Daniels No Joe

[justtxyank]

I'm surprised anyone expected any different - an X Division scramble, a couple of decent knockout matches, a rushed match with two decent workers, a 20 minute Hogan promo and countless shots of Jeff Jarrett wandering around backstage.

It's exactly as I expected...

I just hoped it would be different.

I really really can't believe what is happening here tonight.

[PeterHilton]

If they let AJ/Kurt go a decent length of time...

[alden]

AJ VS angle TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! huge

[haloed]

If they let AJ/Kurt go a decent length of time...

We can only hope.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Wow I hope they dont kill AJ v Angle.

[justtxyank]

Jeff Jarrett is not a draw.

I wish TNA would learn that.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I wonder what the odds are of Hogan wrestling for the world title at Genesis:rolleyes:

[Marshall]

I just hoped it would be different.

I really really can't believe what is happening here tonight.

People will say they just need time. But they said that when they got PPV. They said that when they got TV. They said that when they got 2 hours - TNA is just categorically the number 2 promotion and won't be anything like number 1 without a serious overhaul that will never happen. If they gave the entire show to AJ, Joe, Daniels, Wolfe and even Angle in serious wrestling driven storylines, then it would be a show to watch - unfortuneately that probably won't happen.

On a side note, here's Jeff Jarrett talking, as that's what we want to see in 2010...

[PeterHilton]

Promo by this never was or DX vs JeriSHow?

[alden]

hogan vs jarret tonight anyone?

[MattitudeV2]

It's obvious they are throwing crap to the wall because they know they have to do everything and I will admit TNA has had 5 matches while WWE has 3 matches.

PS:With 50 plus minutes left I can't wait to see whatelse goes down.

[Nedew]

I like Jarrett. What does that make me?

[PeterHilton]

Jeff Jarrett is not a draw.

I wish TNA would learn that.

I'm pretty sure they have, but he's still got storyline uses because he did actually found the company

He probably kept it from growing as fast as it should have by constantly focusing the product around himself, but still...

[alden]

the editing out of the crowd noise is a little anoying

[Franchise22]

i dont think hogan is getting the reaction he thought he would by trashing jarrett....

[alden]

I thought they were looking for a face reaction for hogan. Talking about the young guys should have got a good reaction. Total came off as a heel though.

[PeterHilton]

I like Jarrett. What does that make me?

A fan of mediocrity?

[PeterHilton]

I thought they were looking for a face reaction for hogan. Talking about the young guys should have got a good reaction. Total came off as a heel though.

Hogan as a heel leading "his boys" against the young TNA stars would be the natural angle. Not sure why they're going the Hogan as the savior route (i mean TNA fans cheer everyone anyway, so Hogan will still get pops)

[The Final Countdown]

I like Jarrett. What does that make me?
Someone with a differing opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I don't have any problem with him being a part of the show--as long as he isn't a focal point.

[The Final Countdown]

Hogan as a heel leading "his boys" against the young TNA stars would be the natural angle. Not sure why they're going the Hogan as the savior route (i mean TNA fans cheer everyone anyway, so Hogan will still get pops)
They already did something similar with the Main Event Mafia, and it did nothing to elevate the young guys at all.

[GDE71]

So what WILL be the Main Event at Genesis?

[alden]

intresting look for hardy.......and that was a quick painting lol.

[alden]

Joe vs abyss.....if it is a hard hitting match it should be good.

[MattitudeV2]

Joe vs. Abyss Nice!!!

[Franchise22]

never have liked abyss:(

[PeterHilton]

They already did something similar with the Main Event Mafia, and it did nothing to elevate the young guys at all.

That was because they never went anywhere with the angle, it was dropped and re-started randomly and with no logic, and it never paid off.

The story was solid, the execution was crap.

[alden]

if joe hits the olay kick i will mark out hard lol

[Nedew]

A fan of mediocrity?

YEAH BABY.

[alden]

decent joe vs abyss match

[The Final Countdown]

That was because they never went anywhere with the angle, it was dropped and re-started randomly and with no logic, and it never paid off.

The story was solid, the execution was crap.
And what makes you think they could do it any better this time? :p

[Nedew]

"Wanna mint?" :D

[alden]

Ok the guns......rhino.......and now bear money......the attacker better be revealed tonight.......Who do you all think it is?

[haloed]

Ok the guns......rhino.......and now bear money......the attacker better be revealed tonight.......Who do you all think it is?

Nash and Hall? oh and Waltman?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Ok the guns......rhino.......and now bear money......the attacker better be revealed tonight.......Who do you all think it is?

Hogan in a swerve.

[GDE71]

Sting?

[GDE71]

Nash and Hall? oh and Waltman?

Damn that would make sense...

[Nedew]

Goldberg? Shane O'Mac? ;)

[Tag01]

Dude, The Nasty Boys. I'm sold. :)

[alden]

I hope not........There are no "big names" left but i hope it is someone new........still waiting for heyman....hope he is involved

[Marshall]

The Ultimate Warrior? :p

[alden]

That would be epic!

[cmdrsam]

In a shocking devolpment, ITS THE SHOCKMASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MattitudeV2]

"Wanna mint?" :D

LMAO and Jeff Hardy with a group of screaming girls wierd

[alden]

Atleast they are playing hardy as the tween throb lol....

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Jeffs offf to Dayton.:D

[justtxyank]

I don't get why they didn't have Jeff wrestle if he's really signed with them.

[alden]

nasty boys vs team 3d? could be intresting if it is a blood feud

[PeterHilton]

Oh sweet jesus, Hogan really did bring Knobbs and Sags in to wrestle.

Horrible. That alone makes me want to give up on this.

[haloed]

Great looks like the Nasty Boys may be around for a bit. :rolleyes:

[The Final Countdown]

The Nastys got more screen time than Nigel. Sigh.

[MattitudeV2]

Oh sweet jesus, Hogan really did bring Knobbs and Sags in to wrestle.

Horrible. That alone makes me want to give up on this.

Good 4 u

[PeterHilton]

AJ/Kurt is running against Kofi/Orton.

Interesting quarter hour.

[Candyman]

My prediction: Hogan is gone from TNA by 2011.

[Bigpapa42]

The Nastys got more screen time than Nigel. Sigh.

Welcome to the new TNA: Hulk's Rules.

[alden]

Running powerbomb into turnbuckl that was sick.

[cmdrsam]

Running powerbomb into turnbuckl that was sick.

I was just thinking that.

[Nedew]

Y'know what? I ****ing love the Nasty Boys. I've actually got action figures of them laying around somewhere.

It's been a long time since i've seen a *full, full* show. I bloody love it.

[GDE71]

Everyone should see what happen January 14th before giving up on this.

[MattitudeV2]

Everyone should see what happen January 14th before giving up on this.

I agree.

[justtxyank]

Y'know what? I ****ing love the Nasty Boys. I've actually got action figures of them laying around somewhere.

It's been a long time since i've seen a *full, full* show. I bloody love it.

I'm actually a fan of theirs as well. I have always marked for tag teams and they were one of my favorites in my youth. I have no problem with them getting a one night match with the Dudleys if the Nastys can still work a serious match.

[MrCanada]

I agree.

The only thing I can hope they are doing with the over-abudance of debuts is if they really play off the "everyone earns there spot thing" so a lot of these guys are just around to lose a match and their "spot" and never be seen again.

Do we really need Hall/Waltman/Nasty Boys/Morley doing the Val Venis but without the name gimmick/Orlando Jordan?

Not really. Hogan/Flair/Hardy, name value. Make sense.

But I'd much rather see Joe/Daniels/Wolfe/X-Division then any of the above guys.

[PeterHilton]

Everyone should see what happen January 14th before giving up on this.

The Nasty Boys don't belong on TV in 2010.

I'm going to watch the next few episodes to see where these stories are going, but TNA's roster is too f'n big already.

If they're going to try to find time for guy with limited value like Orlando Jordan and the Nastys, while killing the tv time of guys like Wolfe, Daniel, Morgan, and the Guns, I won't watch past that.

[MrCanada]

BTW, am I the only one who's noticed that line of yellow-shirted girls who just dont seem to really care about anything besides Hulk Hogan or sometimes trying to get the attention of the camera?

[MattitudeV2]

The only thing I can hope they are doing with the over-abudance of debuts is if they really play off the "everyone earns there spot thing" so a lot of these guys are just around to lose a match and their "spot" and never be seen again.

Do we really need Hall/Waltman/Nasty Boys/Morley doing the Val Venis but without the name gimmick/Orlando Jordan?

Not really. Hogan/Flair/Hardy, name value. Make sense.

But I'd much rather see Joe/Daniels/Wolfe/X-Division then any of the above guys.

Like I said before they're throwing (expletive) against the fan and hoping something sticks I do agree focus less on Nasty Boys and more on young talent for next week.

[Hyde Hill]

They already did something similar with the Main Event Mafia, and it did nothing to elevate the young guys at all.

Some people might disagree with that. I agree in part it could have elevated them more then it did but it did elevate them some.

[MattitudeV2]

Who needs Bret chants starting in the Impact Zone EPIC!

[Nedew]

"Who needs Bret!" I like this crowd :D

[alden]

haha a who needs bret chant........classic

[PeterHilton]

Nasty Boys are a poor man's Public Enemy. True story.

[Hyde Hill]

I don't get why they didn't have Jeff wrestle if he's really signed with them.

Because he really did sign last second prolly.

[justtxyank]

Because he really did sign last second prolly.

Fair enough. Still, epic mistake to give the Nasty Boys more screen time than Jeff Hardy.

[MattitudeV2]

Because he really did sign last second prolly.

No he has signed on the dotted line

PS:If he just debuted how in the blue hell would he wrestle on the same show
:confused:

[alden]

Great match so far......givin a good length.......i still wonder who the masked man is though

[PeterHilton]

Some people might disagree with that. I agree in part it could have elevated them more then it did but it did elevate them some.

No. Only the hardcore TNA nutjobs would really disagree.

TFC is right..the payoff didn't do anything for anyone because instead of a proper ending, they just sort of let the MEM fade away.

Morgan should have been made by his feud with Angle, but look at where he's at now.

[Nedew]

Nasty Boys are a poor man's Public Enemy. True story.

Yeah, but which team can you still actually get on TV today? Necromancy aside...

Also, Styles vs. Angle is YES.

[The Final Countdown]

Fair enough. Still, epic mistake to give the Nasty Boys more screen time than Jeff Hardy.
That goes without saying :D

[alden]

Sick!

[MrCanada]

We're going to stay live! Until the end of the match until there's a winner! Thanks to Spike and Hogan! This match! Live! Uninterrupted! RIGHT AFTER THIS!

[justtxyank]

So they've kind of left the Nash/Hall/Waltman thing hanging and they haven't revealed who was in the limo with Hogan...

Time is running out lol

[The Final Countdown]

This match has been tremendous.

[PeterHilton]

Great match so far......givin a good length.......i still wonder who the masked man is though

Before tonight it was Tyson Tomko. But now..it could be anyone.

NOOOO! not a commercial break!

[Bigpapa42]

Some people might disagree with that. I agree in part it could have elevated them more then it did but it did elevate them some.

Have to agree with TFC. It put Styles back into a position he had been in before, so it wasn't really necessary for that. And it left Morgan with the potential to be big... and they've since dropped him right back to where he was. So after a year of dominating Impact, the whole stable really did nothing.

[Hyde Hill]

Plus I know 3D fits their style but I would have had the Brits/Beer Money/Bucks/MCMG Cream them. Also has Angelina shown up yet?

[alden]

Wait....nasty boys being a poor mans public enemy? MMMMM have to disagree on that one........nasty boys were doing table stuff before the public enemy wen't they?

[MattitudeV2]

Before tonight it was Tyson Tomko. But now..it could be anyone.

NOOOO! not a commercial break!

I'm betting it's Desmond Wolfe.

[haloed]

Before tonight it was Tyson Tomko. But now..it could be anyone.

NOOOO! not a commercial break!

RVD anyone? Styles against RVD would be sweet!

[PeterHilton]

Plus I know 3D fits their style but I would have had the Brits/Beer Money/Bucks/MCMG Cream them. Also has Angelina shown up yet?

I wouldve fired 3D and never hired the Nastys and then built a tag division around my relevant talent.

And no..I dont think we've even gone back to the game since Val showed up.

[alden]

Plus I know 3D fits their style but I would have had the Brits/Beer Money/Bucks/MCMG Cream them. Also has Angelina shown up yet?

No angelina yet.....no rvd yet....no hayem yet.....no kenedy yet....but they have not revealed who did the attacks backstage yet.

[Hyde Hill]

I'm betting it's Desmond Wolfe.

Aye fits with the bald guy stuff and instantly gets his heat back plus he would have been tired clobbering backstage for his match against Dinero. lol

[PeterHilton]

Wait....nasty boys being a poor mans public enemy? MMMMM have to disagree on that one........nasty boys were doing table stuff before the public enemy wen't they?

Possibly. But the Nastys suck.

[alden]

styles beat angle clean......GREAT MATCH

[PeterHilton]

styles beat angle clean......GREAT MATCH

This.

[Hyde Hill]

I wouldve fired 3D and never hired the Nastys and then built a tag division around my relevant talent.

And no..I dont think we've even gone back to the game since Val showed up.

Dude I would have faded out 3D but just firing them? No. Name Value, always a threat even if lose all the time, experience, decent promos. Semi Active sure, fade out over time sure, outright fire no.

[MrCanada]

am I the only one who thinks a lot of TNA's "original" music sounds like it was written on the Guitar Hero Studio thing?

[Hyde Hill]

3D have helped elevate Both Beer Money and British Invasion they are doing their job just fine. Was it a downstep for Morgan and Hernandez sure but they didn't have any other Main Event, Upper Midcard talent for them to fight at that time.

[PeterHilton]

Dude I would have faded out 3D but just firing them? No. Name Value, always a threat even if lose all the time, experience, decent promos. Semi Active sure, fade out over time sure, outright fire no.

Right. But whenever this issue gets brought up, you want TNA to hire everyone and anyone and then still try to run coherent storylines.

IMO they need to cut the roster by almost half. And 3D have served their purpose.

[Nedew]

Wait what, that's it?

[MattitudeV2]

Well Waltman,Nash and Hall did it that was shocking wasn't it.

[Bigpapa42]

3D have helped elevate Both Beer Money and British Invasion they are doing their job just fine. Was it a downstep for Morgan and Hernandez sure but they didn't have any other Main Event, Upper Midcard talent for them to fight at that time.

But this is exactly why TNA doesn't really build new stars, in my opinion. You bring in Nigel McGuiness and put him right into a feud with Kurt Angle. That's big. Then what are they going to follow it up with? He gets less TV time than the Nasty Boys here. That can't be a good sign. After they did the same thing with both Morgan and Hernandez. You push workers in a position to elevate them and don't....

[MrCanada]

But this is exactly why TNA doesn't really build new stars, in my opinion. You bring in Nigel McGuiness and put him right into a feud with Kurt Angle. That's big. Then what are they going to follow it up with? He gets less TV time than the Nasty Boys here. That can't be a good sign. After they did the same thing with both Morgan and Hernandez. You push workers in a position to elevate them and don't....


very much reminds of of WCW... I know people might be getting sick of the comparison. But how many times were Misterio, Benoit, Storm, Awesome, even Kidman at a point where all they needed was "that win" or to be really taken seriously but then WCW would simply lower them back down the card? Granted, they would go back down the card and have great matches with other talent they refused to elevate... but TNA is now doing the same thing.

[Hyde Hill]

I agree with the follow up and better use of time but less workers does not equete better use of time. Makes it easier to focus on some guys sure as you are forced to. But at the same time restricts your options. But that is a separate discussion. I would fire everyone without a potential use and effectively use up the usefulness of the over guys. The underscored part is where they fail generally but not in the case of 3D imho.

So no RVD? Damn!

[GDE71]

Well it wasn't what I would have liked to have seen, but I'm glad I watched it.


I'm hoping Jan 14th is better and I'm not going to read spoilers.

Hopefully Genesis is a good PPV and we will see some of Hogans boys slowly fade away along with some of the current dead weight seeing the door with them.

[cmdrsam]

Ok boys we can debate till the cows come home. Was I entertained yes. could it be booked better, yes. Wrestling for the most part was crappy. Aj/ Angle was by far the best. Kong/Haman winning Tag belts, I thought was the next best. We has "hardcore fans" are gonna rip whatever move they make to shreds. But perhaps we are failing to see a bigger picture. Tna is trying to recapture the casual fan. Maybe fans that saw the big E kill off WCW star after star. Remeber the Invasion Angle? That could have been far better couldnt it?

Questionable roster additions? Perhaps. But whats to say most of them were one night shots? Are the Nasty Boys as good as they were in the day? No, is anybody? But can it serve a purpose? I think it can. Niedart wrestling Jay Lethal looked painfull for him. But Tatanka still looked good in a quick match. Heck even Steamboat in a quick match still entertained.

I guess what I am trying to say is this. Lets just see what develops. I want so bad for them to make this work. Why, becasue it will make the WWE better. And it will force TNA to either get better or you to will fall to the WCW wasteside. Just my two cents worth. And Hyde, I was only teasing brother. Hope you took my smart a** remarks as tongue in check as that is what I meant.

[Hyde Hill]

Let's hope that the effective jobbing/putting over by the right guys for the right guys begins!

[Self]

Fun night. I was mainly watching RAW, but I had Impact on next to it, and paid attention for a few bits. The Pope is a good promo, although I have no idea who his doppleganger was supposed to be. His match with Nigel was good too, although that's mainly because I like how Nigel works an arm. Angle/AJ was great, but I kinda jumped in at the middle. Could have sworn they were fighting on PPV.

Jeff's screaming tween fans ruled.

[Hyde Hill]

I was entertained cmdrsam no worries it made the agony lighter hehe.

[The Final Countdown]

But this is exactly why TNA doesn't really build new stars, in my opinion. You bring in Nigel McGuiness and put him right into a feud with Kurt Angle. That's big. Then what are they going to follow it up with? He gets less TV time than the Nasty Boys here. That can't be a good sign. After they did the same thing with both Morgan and Hernandez. You push workers in a position to elevate them and don't....
Exactly. From what I've seen, the Nigel/Angle feud was great, and despite not coming out on the winning end, Nigel was still put in a position to be a big contributor going forward. And now, he seems to be a complete afterthought. That's a huge waste.

[cmdrsam]

I was entertained cmdrsam no worries it made the agony lighter hehe.

Good, wasn't getting any responses out of you so I thought I would back off. I personnally want looking for RVD to be there, but was surprised no Kennedy.

[MattitudeV2]

Angelina and Young Bucks are signed can't wait to see if they debut on the 14th.

[PeterHilton]

But this is exactly why TNA doesn't really build new stars, in my opinion. You bring in Nigel McGuiness and put him right into a feud with Kurt Angle. That's big. Then what are they going to follow it up with? He gets less TV time than the Nasty Boys here. That can't be a good sign. After they did the same thing with both Morgan and Hernandez. You push workers in a position to elevate them and don't....

This.

very much reminds of of WCW... I know people might be getting sick of the comparison. But how many times were Misterio, Benoit, Storm, Awesome, even Kidman at a point where all they needed was "that win" or to be really taken seriously but then WCW would simply lower them back down the card? Granted, they would go back down the card and have great matches with other talent they refused to elevate... but TNA is now doing the same thing.

And this.

Hyde Hill, I respect the fact that you're a TNA fan, but my criticism has nothing to do with the company specifically so much as it's a theory on writing for TV in general.

When you have too many characters, then it becomes too hard to give proper time for each individual character's story to be told.

They have..what..60 guys on the roster? Not counting whoever is signed or will be signed soon? And two hours of prgoramming each week? and they've made it a point to dedicate at least 20 minutes to the Knockouts?

Not possible. Which is why Impact is such a hot mess most of the time.

[Hyde Hill]

Still Jeff FR*KN Hardy!! If his court date pans out and if he is on top of his game would be Ace. At least Kennedy and RVD are still free agents.

Plus how would I react I heard that Mothra and The Joker would show up?

[PeterHilton]

Exactly. From what I've seen, the Nigel/Angle feud was great, and despite not coming out on the winning end, Nigel was still put in a position to be a big contributor going forward. And now, he seems to be a complete afterthought. That's a huge waste.

Unless I missed him, Christopher Daniels wasn't used AT ALL.

Coming off of two spectacular PPV matches and another great match with Nigel on Impact.

[Bigpapa42]

I agree with the follow up and better use of time but less workers does not equete better use of time. Makes it easier to focus on some guys sure as you are forced to. But at the same time restricts your options. But that is a separate discussion. I would fire everyone without a potential use and effectively use up the usefulness of the over guys. The underscored part is where they fail generally but not in the case of 3D imho.

So no RVD? Damn!

Getting those guys to the cusp is the relative easy part, so long as they have a bit of talent. Put them in a position to let that talent shine, especially against the top talent - like Angle. But taking that focus away is basically just making it a big waste of time. They need to long-term plan and have something for the guys they come out of that big feud, some way to keep them relevant and near the top. This is a big weakness of TNA booking, in my opinion.

Exactly. From what I've seen, the Nigel/Angle feud was great, and despite not coming out on the winning end, Nigel was still put in a position to be a big contributor going forward. And now, he seems to be a complete afterthought. That's a huge waste.

I really really hope that isn't the case... but looking like an afterthought on this show makes it seem very possible.

[The Final Countdown]

Unless I missed him, Christopher Daniels wasn't used AT ALL.

Coming off of two spectacular PPV matches and another great match with Nigel on Impact.
Think I saw him in a brief backstage interview.

[justtxyank]

Unless I missed him, Christopher Daniels wasn't used AT ALL.

Coming off of two spectacular PPV matches and another great match with Nigel on Impact.

He spoke for about 30 seconds before Jeremy Borash interrupted him to cut to Mick Foley.

[Hyde Hill]

Actually it is 49 and that is including Tag Teams as singles and the Knock Out's + Foley and Jarret and Sharkey. Still to many yeah but with some fat cutting and fading out very solvable and still room for effective signings.

[PeterHilton]

Overall, I was entertained. Seeing all those 'names' was cool in a very visceral markish kind of way.

But I've never not watched TNA because of the roster. I've always stayed away because of the booking. Because I though they made bad decisions on who to push. And because the storylines were ridiculous.

And sadly nothing on this show made me think that's going to be fixed.

In 3 weeks, if Impact is more of the same I won't be a regular viewer.

[PeterHilton]

Actually it is 49 and that is including Tag Teams as singles and the Knock Out's + Foley and Jarret and Sharkey. Still to many yeah but with some fat cutting and fading out very solvable and still room for effective signings.

Fantastic. Who? And i only ask because literally every single time I've suggested someone be fired, you say no and then suggest 10 more people to sign.

lol ;)

[PeterHilton]

He spoke for about 30 seconds before Jeremy Borash interrupted him to cut to Mick Foley.

Oh wrell..a just reward for all his hard work then.

[The Mystery]

Nasty Boys??? Waltman & Hall??? Right there, the four guys that are going to kill TNA. Sad.

[Hyde Hill]

Getting those guys to the cusp is the relative easy part, so long as they have a bit of talent. Put them in a position to let that talent shine, especially against the top talent - like Angle. But taking that focus away is basically just making it a big waste of time. They need to long-term plan and have something for the guys they come out of that big feud, some way to keep them relevant and near the top. This is a big weakness of TNA booking, in my opinion.



I really really hope that isn't the case... but looking like an afterthought on this show makes it seem very possible.

Correct and for that they need more guys that can go and put them over that top.

With Lashley, AJ, Joe, Daniels, Angle, Abyss, Steiner otherwise engaged there wasn't much for Morgan or Hernandez to do other then the wrecking crew.

Only option would have been Nash or against each other. Come to think of it going after World Elite could have been smarter booking but not much better.

And they where on tv each episode with promos and matches and won the feud in the end. Only gripe was they should have been more dominant but it did elevate Dinero and Suicide by association imho.

Still compare this to +- two years ago. Prince Justice Brotherhood, Black Reign (out of shape) and Rellik (thats killer spelled backwards) anyone?

[Bigpapa42]

Overall, I was entertained. Seeing all those 'names' was cool in a very visceral markish kind of way.

But I've never not watched TNA because of the roster. I've always stayed away because of the booking. Because I though they made bad decisions on who to push. And because the storylines were ridiculous.

And sadly nothing on this show made me think that's going to be fixed.

In 3 weeks, if Impact is more of the same I won't be a regular viewer.

I'm much the same. It looks to be same-old TNA, but with more clutter.

I so desperately wanted this to be the debut of a "new" TNA, one which would play to its strengths and move away from what kept from really buying in as a fan. Instead, it looks to be more of the same. I am a sad Papa.

[Hyde Hill]

Fantastic. Who? And i only ask because literally every single time I've suggested someone be fired, you say no and then suggest 10 more people to sign.

lol ;)

Lol don't go overboard but to fire:

Rob Terry
Jesse Neal
Kiyoshi
Lacey Von Erich

To Fade Out and then fire/Backstage/Rare appearances:

Stevie Richards
Raven
Kevin Nash
Scott Steiner
Team 3D
Rhino
Jeff Jarrett
Mick Foley
Sting

All the recent surprises except Jeff Hardy.

Bring In definitely and "possible":

Kennedy
RVD

[PeterHilton]

I'm much the same. It looks to be same-old TNA, but with more clutter.


It was like one of those DC comics Infinite Crisis uber-crossover epic issue deals...where every other panel has seven characters from a critically acclaimed comic you've never heard of before so you don't have any clue who they are...so it's just a bunch of faces drawn in to create the sense that "whoah everyone in the DC universe really IS affected."

Like that.

[dcxbox]

Nasty Boys??? Waltman & Hall??? Right there, the four guys that are going to kill TNA. Sad.

actually i wanted the nasty boys in tna for a fued with 3d. odds are they wont be long term , but they can have some good wild brawls with 3d. maybe not great wrestling based matches but some fun all over the arena brawls. and theya re entertaining.

im interested in whats nash hall and pacs role. if they are hogans back up when he hs rouble with anyone. or if hes have issues with them and bish or what.


then you have flair why was he watching part of the main event. is he interested in the world title? or will he offer services to aj styles as a mout piece.

who was the attacker backstage, was it the sam person who went after aj? or someone else.

also sting, will he side with hogan, or jarret foley or alone. does he trust any of them

lots of potential here. and who will be in tna by the time of the ppv.

[The Mystery]

Lol don't go overboard but to fire:

Rob Terry
Jesse Neal
Kiyoshi
Lacey Von Erich

To Fade Out and then fire/Backstage/Rare appearances:

Stevie Richards
Raven
Kevin Nash
Scott Steiner
Team 3D
Rhino
Jeff Jarrett
Mick Foley
Sting

All the recent surprises except Jeff Hardy.

Bring In definitely and "possible":

Kennedy
RVD

I'm disappointed to even see Mick Foley get beaten up in that last segment. AS well with the beating down of Team 3D, Rhino, Beer Money and all those pieces of bad segments there. The rare appearances of Stevie Richards and Raven is understandable.

And I just got a notice here: almost all of the guys I've mentioned are a part of ECW!!! Bring Heyman to TNA and we could have a hell of a war here between Bischoff and his men against the alumni ECW!!!!!

Hehehehehe that'll bring at least some ratings to TNA.

[Hyde Hill]

I'm much the same. It looks to be same-old TNA, but with more clutter.

I so desperately wanted this to be the debut of a "new" TNA, one which would play to its strengths and move away from what kept from really buying in as a fan. Instead, it looks to be more of the same. I am a sad Papa.

As Bigpapa knows I agree on that point completely (,I just don't think trimming the roster is the only or even most effective solution,) but I much rather watch 3 hours crammed into 2 with occasional good matches then 1 hour stretched into 2 with rare good matches like the E feels for me most of the time.

[alden]

So for the people who watched both shows.........Who won? I have not watched raw yet but impact was a very good show. What are your views?

[Marshall]

I can categorically say that I don't especially care about the 'cliff-hanger' ending that they left. I could care less about Hogan's internal struggle between the old Hulk that would party with Bischoff and the nWo and the new 'corporate' Hogan who is all about giving the young stars an opportunity. This is 2010 - the characters in featured roles in this show are irrelevant. Period.

Is wrestling really this difficult to book? Honestly? No-one wants to see The Nasty Boys, Orlando Jordan or X-Pac anymore. By the end of the show, there were so many 'shock' appearances that the one that mattered and was legitimately important to the wrestling landscape (Jeff Hardy) was completely overshadowed and glossed over as a non-event. I just don't get it.

The general concensus on boards like this will be that the best part of the show was Styles vs Angle, because it offered exciting action with characters we cared about and have not overstayed their welcome. Is it really that hard to book a simple point of conflict between the two and let them tear the house down like they did tonight?

What I'm saying is that with a roster like TNA's, I don't understand why they're still producing a television product that gives me a headache after watching it. It just doesn't make sense.

[Self]

So for the people who watched both shows.........Who won? I have not watched raw yet but impact was a very good show. What are your views?

I'm not a guy to say who 'won'. I have a bias towards WWE, and do not speak for the common casual viewer. I paid more attention to RAW. The only time I properly flicked over to TNA (I was running dueling streams and switching audio tracks to whatever I was more interested in) was when AJ/Angle went head-to-head with Kofi/Orton, and whenever Jeff Hardy was on screen.

I missed a lot of Impact, so I'll have to read spoilers to know exactly what's what. I haven't the foggiest what Hall & X-Pac were all about, and I skipped Lashley entirely.

[sabataged]

Both shows were good. TNA's as a single show was probably better show because of the craziness in every segment but I think in the long run this Bret Hart angle will be better and give me more entertainment than any of the storylines TNA started tonight. Out of all of them I kind fo look forward to Bobby Lashley as a heel for some reason. nWo is played out, and Foley just bugs me anymore. Jeff Hardy pisses me off because I just feel WWE has put up with a lot from him (drug use and more chances than anyone) to put him at the top of the wrestling world for him to pull some **** like this. I dunno I guess he fulfilled his contract and was free to leave like any person at any job. Anyway I am interested to see where they go. I hated seeing Wolfe lose. He had some killer momentum going and is one of their hottest heel acts. He could easily be built into a main event heel agaisnt AJ.

[Bigpapa42]

As Bigpapa knows I agree on that point completely (,I just don't think trimming the roster is the only or even most effective solution,) but I much rather watch 3 hours crammed into 2 with occasional good matches then 1 hour stretched into 2 with rare good matches like the E feels for me most of the time.

I don't want either, to be honest. I want basic, smart booking with proper roster usage. WWE certainly has its problems at this point, but I don't think that excuses the problems with TNA at all. That's negative justification.

I simply don't understand TNA's need to overkill something. When they could make a point with one segment, they do six instead. Its like they think the viewers are morons and the most basic storyline point has to be hammered - literally hammered - into their heads.

[Bigpapa42]

So for the people who watched both shows.........Who won? I have not watched raw yet but impact was a very good show. What are your views?

Yeah, I don't think "won" is the right way to put it. I watched Raw and a good portion of Impact (going back and re-watching the rest). Raw was the best its been in awhile, with solid segments and decent matches. Impact felt like a cluttered mess of overkill, with continual debuts, leading into a damned good main event. To me, it was the kind of show that TNA does so often, which you either enjoy or just find endlessly annoying. It shows both the potential and the downside to TNA.

[MattitudeV2]

I believe TNA won personally because of the backstage segments which some had me doing this :eek:and because The Knockouts Tag Title match was good. AJ/Angle was great and personally the only thing I watched from the E was Bret's segments.

[Hyde Hill]

I am not making excuses just clarifying my choice. Both have their faults in other areas but unfortunately those are the choices given at the moment and TNA entertains me more as there is at least always something going on. Often it is too much but I am of the rather too much then to little school as the E really hammers things over and over across all their shows mainly with recaps etc. Recaps are fine for ppv but a last week on this show and what happened on the other show rewinds all the time together with stomp, punch, stomp, punch wrestling I would chose Russo ADHD booking. If they could always book like between No Surrender and Final Resolution (removing the odd snafu here and there) and tone it down a bit I would be one happy camper.

[sabataged]

I always find to me, that TNA's product doesn't have any substance. Not that WWE does either but it has. I rarely find anything from TNA that keeps me hooked for very long. They seem to jump around so often between bringing in WWE castoffs to who is feuding with who. I have really got into the Wolfe/Angle feud the first storyline in awhile I have been interested in from TNA. I really look forward to them trying to put together 3 or 4 top programs. My problem is they don't seem to know who is heel and who is face. For the past few weeks I thought for sure Foley and Jarrett would be the heels taking on Hogan. Well, Foley acted heelish most of the night, but gets jumped by nWo???

[Hyde Hill]

Yeah, I don't think "won" is the right way to put it. I watched Raw and a good portion of Impact (going back and re-watching the rest). Raw was the best its been in awhile, with solid segments and decent matches. Impact felt like a cluttered mess of overkill, with continual debuts, leading into a damned good main event. To me, it was the kind of show that TNA does so often, which you either enjoy or just find endlessly annoying. It shows both the potential and the downside to TNA.

Hell I am often both annoyed and entertained but rather that then yawning/sitting on my hands.

[Hyde Hill]

So for the people who watched both shows.........Who won? I have not watched raw yet but impact was a very good show. What are your views?

In the end I just hope wrestling wins as I am not, repeat not anti wwe at all. I just prefer TNA. Ok Ill stop for now as I can type about wrestling till the cows come home. I will be back once I have seen both shows so be warned hehe.

[sabataged]

As far as who won I would say US. The annoying geeky wrestling fans. We have something to actually talk about and let's pray to god this is the start of the next big wrestling upturn because the 2nd half of the 90's was some good television.

[dvdWarrior]

I thought Impact was a darn good show... by TNA standards. I've seen better shows, but I found this one exciting and entertaining. Would've been a better idea to have the tag title match though, and (preferably) have Beer Money win the gold, IMO. I taped both shows, but at some point I flipped over to Raw to see what was happening, just in time to see Matt Sydal get piled up by Sheamus, and that pretty much dried up my interest in Raw for the evening. Hopefully I'll get around to watching it eventually though.

[TracyBrooksFan]

man it was great live and AJ vs Kurt was truely amazing

[alden]

man it was great live and AJ vs Kurt was truely amazing

I HATE YOU lol........I am going to have to make a trip down to florida one day to catch a show live.

[dvdWarrior]

man it was great live and AJ vs Kurt was truely amazing

It was darn good on TV too. Liked that match A LOT. I'd love to see a match like that live though.

:)

[jbergey_2005]

What was with Hogans promos tonight?

He was in back all day yet being shown coming in his limo???

Telling JJ that workers can no longer rest on their name alone and have to earn their spot. An interesting choice to deliver that promo I thought.

I guess Im just trying to piece together what all of these additions(Hogan, Flair, Hall) that cant wrestle are going to do when TNA has a few workers already doing that exact same thing.

Kind of seems like something you might do on TEW when you have a lot of money to burn and want to rush into a National Promotion without having a well thought out plan.

[BHK1978]

What was with Hogans promos tonight?

He was in back all day yet being shown coming in his limo???

Telling JJ that workers can no longer rest on their name alone and have to earn their spot. An interesting choice to deliver that promo I thought.

I guess Im just trying to piece together what all of these additions(Hogan, Flair, Hall) that cant wrestle are going to do when TNA has a few workers already doing that exact same thing.

Kind of seems like something you might do on TEW when you have a lot of money to burn and want to rush into a National Promotion without having a well thought out plan.

Yeah Hogan's promo kind of fell flat to me.

Why the hell would they bring in Scott Hall and the 1,2,3 Kid? Didn't Hall show up drunk at one of their PPV's last year with the ICP? And I would have been very happy to never see X-Pac on my televison again. I hate that dude with a passion (even though I don't know him).

I just want to see Sting vs. Flair one more time. I know both are old and broken down now and well past their respective primes. But you know what? I don't care because it is Sting and Ric Flair! If anybody should have a retirement match with Ric Flair, it should be Sting who he has had a long and great history with.

And what was up with the Raven and Stevie Richards match? Why did they have to be the jobbers of the night?

[jbergey_2005]

Yeah Scott Hall and 123 Kid are pretty much worthless right now so who knows on them.

I wonder if TNA hasnt figured out that the problem with their show is not the roster its the booking.

They have plenty of great talent and they certainly dont need to flood it with worthless past their prime workers.

Having a guy like Hogan, Flair, Nash or Foley as a special attraction is nice to bring in some fans but having them as full time performers just takes away from the guys they need to build around.

It seems like TNA just got impatient and is throwing all of their chips in the middle right now.

I like the fact that they ended the show with a great match though. Having AJ win clean over Kurt is a promising sign of things to come.

[Bigpapa42]

The purpose of Hall and Waltman was, so far as I can gather, so that Hogan could emphasize the "we're not doing WCW again". Honestly, if that was indeed the purpose, it felt pretty overt and heavy-handed. Unnecessary. You can get the same point across without getting your buddies one more payday, which really struck me as the purpose.

And I have to agree that Hogan's promos felt... off...

[sabataged]

Yeah Scott Hall and 123 Kid are pretty much worthless right now so who knows on them.

I wonder if TNA hasnt figured out that the problem with their show is not the roster its the booking.

They have plenty of great talent and they certainly dont need to flood it with worthless past their prime workers.

Having a guy like Hogan, Flair, Nash or Foley as a special attraction is nice to bring in some fans but having them as full time performers just takes away from the guys they need to build around.

It seems like TNA just got impatient and is throwing all of their chips in the middle right now.

I like the fact that they ended the show with a great match though. Having AJ win clean over Kurt is a promising sign of things to come.

Hall and Pac basically bring some name value. They will be gone within a few months I guarantee it. There is no way either one is motivated enough to do anything but screw up. Flair is a waste. He is the definition of a guy that can just not let it go. He should have a great thing gonig as a manager or GM in WWE but he refuses to let it go. Your 60! Your going to die in the ring...quit getting married and divorced...save some money and let you body have a rest.

[HughBatey4]

X-Pac is far from worthless. Next to Shawn, he is easily the best worker of the Kliq.

Scott Hall could be useful if used right. Midcarder-to-uppermidcarder that is used to put over new stars.

Ric Flair is useful just because he is f*cking Ric Flair.

Eric Bischoff played his role perfectly and will be a great addition to TNA.

Val Venis is worthless. Midcarder at best, that will be released within a year.

Orlando Jordan was a worthless signing as well.

Shannon Moore will be decent in the X-Division, once they refocus on it a bit.

Jeff Hardy is a much needed "Main Event Level" star that is still over and can still wrestle, plus can wrestle heavyweights and cruiserweights.

The Nasty Boyz should be used to feud with Team 3D then put over a young team on their way out.

The return of Sting was wrote pefectly.

The return of Double J was eh. Expected something more.

Bubba the Love Sponge was strictly to have somebody in the media that will be a TNA defender.

[Tag01]

Jeff Hardy and RIc Flair are the big signings, I think. And I think the Nasty Boys bit could wind up being funny if done right. I'm just worried they'll end up putting them over guys like the Machine Guns. Shannon Moore is always exciting too. Val Venis and Orlando Jordan though? What's the point? And yea, TNA seems full of non-wrestling personalities as it is. Adding the nWo guys seems a bit much.

[Togg]

My Impact Review



Highlight to see (contains spoilers)

Steel Asylum

To me it looked to be a great match to get everyone hyped. Yeah it might have been better getting a less gimmicky match, but i was cool with it. As for the finnish. A line Hurricane might use... "what up wit dat!" i mean seriously. doesnt TNA have enough screwy finnishes? And Homicide's obvious botch at getting out had me on edge.


Jeff's Return

So he goes from WWE World Champ to attacking Homicide? a HUGE and young star like Hardy was wasted in my opinion


Shannon in TNA

I really hope he gets used properly, He's a good wrestler and has tons going for him. Lets hope TNA treats him better than WWE


Hogan Limo Arriving

Call me old school but i was genuinly impressed and excited at how he was hyped for comming to the arena, it took me back to the old WWE/WCW days at how it was put together.


Tara vs ODB for the Knockout Championship

Um i have mixed feelings on this. I love ODB and Tara but i dont think the title should have changed just yet. But it was the second best match on the cards (not that it had stiff competition except for the main event)


Ric Flair Shows Up

Did is shock me... sorta. Was it needed? Sorta, was it wasted? Hell Yeah


Mick Foley's constant attempts to get in

The guy gets banned by Hogan who doesnt own any shares, yet Foley is supose to be a share holder in TNA.


Lashleys Release

I actually quite liked this segment. It was relevent and crossed Kayfabe with reality. Also Krystal is pretty decent on the Mic. If Lashley does leave, she should stay as a manager for sure.


Beautiful People Segment

Are we not tierd of half naked women on wrestling? if we wanted that we would log onto the net. But in all fairness it was good to see them being used on such a big show. Shame no Angelina.


Hall and Waltman Show Up

Now i dont care what anyone says, Waltman is one of the best guys in wrestling and the best little dog in the fight. Im glad they were on the show but what was up with them being banned? At the time i felt it made them inferior for TNA.


Hogans Limo Swapper

Who was that person? did anybody actually realise if it was ment to be Bischoff? or someone to come in recent weeks?


Hogan arrives and is joined by the old NWO member and Bischoff

I had goosebumps when the NWO music Hit, absolutly awesome on behalf of TNA to get the rights to the music. I am a sucker for the old times and i just wanted to see them get into the Black and White, beat someone up and lable him with the NWO logo. oh well. Hogan slipped bigtime with the "ive been backstage all day", but i forgave him after he saved the show from being the biggest 55min bore in wrestling.


Knockout Tag Titles

Another womens title change? dont get me wrong, i Love Kong and Taylor and Sarita but couldnt they have put this next week? Why not have Beer Money vs British Invasion? or Eric Young vs Hernandez?. As for the title change WHY?


Val Venis shows up

Absolutly pointless. I am a huge fan of him but come on... How many old WWE guys need to be rammed into a show for no reason?


The Nastys roll up

I was never a fan of them in the 90's and im not a fan now. Hogan obviously forcing them down our necks because there mates.


Stevie and Raven vs Morgan and Hernandez

I honestly went to the toilet during this match. I think all the men are great, special Morgan, but come on TNA. Cant they have been a little more creative?


The Pope and Sister Mary Clarance OOOOPS!!!! i mean OJ

I am a HUGE and i mean HUGE fan of them both. I hope TNA brings in Jordan as he is wasted on the Indys. So what is he brought sum 1 with him on WWE shows. The guys is tallented.


Pope vs Wolfe

I wont event comment. Im sooo peeved with TNA for this match. They want new stars but give guys like the Nasty Boys, Flair and the Knockout's Pointless tag match more time. I was ready for a great match and i was totaly let down. I didnt even feel it was a teaser to build anything up.


AJ and Bischoff

Great segment by TNA. Its a huge night for TNA and i would think its more important than a PPV. Totaly the right decision made by TNA, but why wait untill WWE Raw had started to announce it?


Jeff Jarretts Speech

Ok so we all know Hogan spoke a little truth about how Jarrett almost bankrupt TNA. But Jarrett gave a great promo and got the fans totaly hot. Hogan came off the heel which sorta shocked me. If TNA wants to keep him as a face, they should look over there scripts a little more and play it out in there heads.


Daniels cut and Foley enters

What a HUGE dissrespect for Daniels. Ive never been a fan of him, but i think he is an amazing wrestler. He got treated like a nobody. Then Foley gets in. Did we need to cut Daniels off for that? Nope, cut some of the actual crap on the show or run less comercials.


Abyss vs Joe

An ok match for TNA, i will call this a good point of the show, although normaly i wouldnt want to see it... It kept me going through a lackluster Impact.


Bischoff and Krystal

Again Krystal came across like a Pro. I really do think she was the star of this segment. It shocked me to say it as im a huge Bischoff fan.


The Attacks

MCMG's, Rhino, Beer Money all attacked, WHY? i failed to see any point to this. We dont really find out who the attacker is, unless u guess by the final scene... but was it them? Either way it seemed weird and put together all wrong. There was no guessing on suspect from the announcers. Just weird, specialy with the AJ Attacker. are they linked or do we have 2 attackers in TNA?


Hardy and Moore's Exit

Anyone feel that Shannon was living in the shaddow of Jeff too much? as for the screaming girls... good idea to have hardy as the teen idol and heart throb. But did we really need to see this? couldnt there have been a better angle? OH on a different note, does anyone know if thats Hardys actual car? my dreams a Yellow Lambo and i'l happy take a swanton for it lol


Nasty Boys invade 3D

Bubba Ray got punked, oh wait its Brother Ray, loved the slip up lol. Sets up a possible tag fued. If ur fans of them its great, if your username is Togg, its time to wish away the next few shows.


Angle vs Styles

The run in from the attacker aside... What a main event for Impact. if the rest of the show was 1/2 or even 1/4 of the quality of this, WWE would be seriously worried. I can rarly sit through a WWE championship match as weve seen it all before. Although we have seen Styles vs Angle countless times, i still find it as good as the first. Both men came across like iron men and true stars. Great ending for the match. BUT can someone tell me why Flair turned up and then left? What a waste of one of the best talkers in the business. not one single word or even a Woooooooooo.


The Foley Confrontation

Again it came across as vintage old school Attitude era. Loved it. Bischoff and Foley face off, The Outsiders and Waltman take out Foley, then Hogan walks in and says nothing. Does TNA have good cop/ bad cop with Bischoff and Hogan or will it be Hogan teasing a Heel turn? either way it got me hooked.



Overall:4/10

If the show was 30mins (the last 30) it would have been the best show in Impact history. Way to many throw away moments wasted on guys who didnt need it. The true stars are mostly over looked and waaaaaaaaaaay too many placed commercials. It seemd like they lost the plot with the show a few times. Just going to the Ad's because they had nothing else to do. With a 2 hour Live show, less pointless names and more thought for the match ending or run ins and the show would get alot higher praise.

WWE won this battle by a mile in my opinion, Ratings and Show Quality. Lets hope TNA steps up next time with a lesson learned:D

[BHK1978]

Hall and Pac basically bring some name value. They will be gone within a few months I guarantee it. There is no way either one is motivated enough to do anything but screw up. Flair is a waste. He is the definition of a guy that can just not let it go. He should have a great thing gonig as a manager or GM in WWE but he refuses to let it go. Your 60! Your going to die in the ring...quit getting married and divorced...save some money and let you body have a rest.

Yeah but how many legends have stayed to long at the dance? Lou Thez, Buddy Rogers and Bobo Brazil all wrestled well into their late 50's-early 60's. So I really don't have all that much of a problem with Ric Flair being around still.

Scott Hall could be useful if used right. Midcarder-to-uppermidcarder that is used to put over new stars.

Val Venis is worthless. Midcarder at best, that will be released within a year.

Orlando Jordan was a worthless signing as well.

The Nasty Boyz should be used to feud with Team 3D then put over a young team on their way out.

Scott Hall just looked really bad. The fast life has really started to catch up to him. I think he has been gone far to long to have any name value.

Funny thing I forgot all about The Nasty Boys, Orlando Jordan and Val Venis even being on the show. That is how much of an impression they left on me.

[Gouge]

I enjoyed tonight's show. There were a lot of times where I was beginning to facepalm, mainly in the first hour, but the second and third hours were fine. The main event was fantastic and the women's tag match was terrific. They really should have put that tag match in the first hour though over ODB/Tara, which was way too short and awkward.

Cameos were a bit much, but I'll give my thoughts:

Nasty Boys - They won't last. The point in bringing them in is to just have them face off against the Dudleyz in a little novelty match. Now is it something TNA should make a priority? Absolutely not. It could be a fun match, but that spot could go to MCMG, or the Young Bucks, or Beer Money, or Morgan/Hernandez. Hopefully if it does happen, it's on iMPACT! and it doesn't take up space on a PPV.

Ric Flair - Great to have him on here. Everyone's complaining about the retirement angle, but really, is there anyone that retires the first time and stays retired in this business? It just doesn't happen. People need to get over it. Flair is great on the mic and could be excellent in a managerial role for someone. He doesn't have to wrestle, although I'm sure he'll have a few matches here or there.

Eric Bischoff - I've always loved Eric Bischoff's swarmy on-screen character and I'm thrilled TNA are using him in that light rather than just being Hulk Hogan's puppet.

Hall/Waltman - I've always loved Scott Hall, but eh. He's too old and out of shape at this point in his career to put on great matches. I still love his persona and hearing him on the mic. If he stays on that, kinda like Nash is more often than not, I won't mind. Waltman I don't really have much to comment on, he's always hit/miss for me.

Val Venis - Honestly don't expect this to be anything more than a cameo appearance. And I'll admit, I laughed when he showed up. Wasn't expecting it at all and it was great to see Val back in his ol' persona again since I always loved his character.

Orlando Jordan - I didn't really catch his & Pope's scuffle. Jordan seemed decent in the WWE, but enough to be a priority on TNA's radar? Don't think so.

Jeff Hardy - Well I'm personally not much of a Jeff Hardy fan, but he does fit TNA a lot more than WWE. I just really hope Hardy doesn't screw TNA over like he did last time and is actually motivated this time around.

Shannon Moore - I've always liked Shannon Moore. Him being associated with Hardy will likely get him a decent push right off the bat which is fine by me.

[mike b]

C verse is better then both of them combined:D

[Craig Edwards]

anyone else notice they never showed who got out of the tther limo into hogans, I was thinking it was going to be RVD or Kenndy but they talked about it again

[Stennick]

So all the hopeful RVD, Heyman, Kennedy talk turned into exactly what I thought it would......nothing.

[b0shey]

looking at toggs breakdown of the show, wow is that all they came up with i was totaly expecting more out of impact and as expected aj/angle seemed to steal the show but other it was just things wcw did only this time filled with wwe stars.. and as togg said it jeff hardy went from a 3 time world champion in wwe to fueding with a midcard tna worker.

[Sons of Kohral]

Am I the only one who doesn't see Jeff Hardy as a "HUGE" star?

[Self]

looking at toggs breakdown of the show, wow is that all they came up with i was totaly expecting more out of impact and as expected aj/angle seemed to steal the show but other it was just things wcw did only this time filled with wwe stars.. and as togg said it jeff hardy went from a 3 time world champion in wwe to fueding with a midcard tna worker.

I don't know if he's going to be feuding with Homicide, as opposed to just making a 'impact' by beating up a Heel. Even so, I'd FAR prefer to see Jeff fighting X-Division guys, squashing all but the very top 2 or 3, than see Jeff getting mixed up in the Foley/Hulk/Sting/Jarrett cluster at the top. Jeff Hardy is an attraction, you give him 10 minutes on every episode to do his moves and his little dance, and in doing that you keep him strong for Title shots.

Unless he's going to be immediately feuding with AJ or Daniels or Joe or Angle, keep him with the Cruiserweights, biding his time.

Am I the only one who doesn't see Jeff Hardy as a "HUGE" star?

I think he was the number one "most googled" name of every wrestler, boxer or MMA guy in 2009. He's a big deal.

[Basmat01]

What has Jeff Hardy Done?

Went from WWE Maineventer who was headlining PPV's and Smackdown and Was the lead "face" of an entire Brand to TNA "X-Division" guy who looks to feud with guys that are barely midcarders

Cant wait for the Jeff Hardy/Shark boy feud

[The Shape]

The Jeff thing suggests to me he's gotta be guilty and just wants a payday before prison cause he knows WWE won't take him back anyway. If that's not the case then he just continues to prove what an absolute joke he is.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

I think it's funny that everyone is trashing Jeff on his desicions.. think about it.. Jeff is a high flying risk taking wrestler.. no one... NO ONE in WWE is that way. Jeff fits better with TNA. Who cares if he's a 3 time world champion...

And IMO Jeff isn't that big of a name.. he was the most googled search for a wrestler/mma guy probably because of his Police scandal as of late.

I loved that TNA show.. sure WWE maybe had Bret Hart but he was on very few times, the rest of the show was mediocre... the matches were better in my opinion, well besides the Kurt/AJ match.. that destroyed everything WWE did. But they brought entertainment like the people wanted.. what better way then having all these "bigger" names come in? People still love the nWo, people will still pay to see Hogan, Nash, Hall, Pac, Flair, Sting among many, many other previous people.. and with how well Hogan's tour was received it's only a matter of time before we see more people showing up... eg. Ken Anderson(Kennedy), RVD and many others.

/endrant.

[Moe Hunter]

Ric Flair - Great to have him on here. Everyone's complaining about the retirement angle, but really, is there anyone that retires the first time and stays retired in this business?

It's hardly the first time Flair has "retired" and come back. He had a whole hour of Nitro dedicated to his return from retirement in 1998/99 leading into the formation of the Horsemen team with Benoit, Malenko and Steve McMichael.

[The Shape]

I think it's funny that everyone is trashing Jeff on his desicions.. think about it.. Jeff is a high flying risk taking wrestler.. no one... NO ONE in WWE is that way. Jeff fits better with TNA.

I've seen this argument numerous times and I really don't get it. All it means that he stands out far far less in TNA and is likely to get suckered into the midcard. He'll be destroying himself for no good reason.

[spikedave]

Is there anywhere online where i can watch last nights episode of iMPACT?

[Tyler Gadzinski]

I've seen this argument numerous times and I really don't get it. All it means that he stands out far far less in TNA and is likely to get suckered into the midcard. He'll be destroying himself for no good reason.

True which sucks because the Hardy name itself is Main Event status. I just don't understand why people say he's gonna suck so much in TNA.. he was there before, he probably would've won the World Title if he hadn't gone back to WWE. I'm just happy he's back in TNA.. I didn't really watch the PG WWE that much when he was there.. couldn't fully utilize him IMO.

Sorry for the rant earlier, I'm tired.

[djthefunkchris]

I think it's funny that everyone is trashing Jeff on his desicions.. think about it.. Jeff is a high flying risk taking wrestler.. no one... NO ONE in WWE is that way. Jeff fits better with TNA. Who cares if he's a 3 time world champion...

And IMO Jeff isn't that big of a name.. he was the most googled search for a wrestler/mma guy probably because of his Police scandal as of late.

I loved that TNA show.. sure WWE maybe had Bret Hart but he was on very few times, the rest of the show was mediocre... the matches were better in my opinion, well besides the Kurt/AJ match.. that destroyed everything WWE did. But they brought entertainment like the people wanted.. what better way then having all these "bigger" names come in? People still love the nWo, people will still pay to see Hogan, Nash, Hall, Pac, Flair, Sting among many, many other previous people.. and with how well Hogan's tour was received it's only a matter of time before we see more people showing up... eg. Ken Anderson(Kennedy), RVD and many others.

/endrant.

Jeff is a huge name, that's not being subjective, just throwing that out there as fact for you to consume.

I haven't seen the show, but sounds like it didn't live up to my expectations unfortunately. However, they are not "Geared" towards "Live" TV the way WWE has been (For years), so without seeing the show, my opinion is going to be that it was far less spectacular then they had planned for. Sounds like alot of mistakes were made by trying to throw surprise's in at the last second. A fast match that let everyone down might have been to give more time for the "Last Minute" calls they made.

Meaning, that although they just upped their roster considerably, they might have a great plan, and probably had a better show planned. Yet, excitement and lack of experience for "Live" broadcasting caused them to possibly make some bad calls, that on replay perhaps they will be able to avoid in the future. Overall, just trying to keep up with last minute decisions probably ruined alot of the show for them. I don't blame them, as quite a bit of the names that come up sounds like names that might not "always" show up when they need them, so they needed to get those names on the show to "Impress" people with ("Oh, so that's where he is now... TNA! I'm going to have to start watching them now!" Or at least that's the hope).

Just reading the various reviews, I was impressed with the Names that showed up on the show. I was thinking the whole time while reading this, that maybe people that don't watch, but just here about it like I did, might be more impressed, and more willing to watch their next episode. Hopefully, they take advantage of that.

I didn't watch WWE either. I was at work unfortunately. I am so glad I belong to a community that can give so many varied opinions on them both (read the other thread as well, much faster, lol). I had high hopes for Hogan to be honest. Perhaps too high.