The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[Slagaholic]

And the burial of the faces continues...

[juggaloninjalee]

The nWo was one of the best things to ever happen to wrestling and I am tired of people bringing it up in relation to TNA.

That belt has Hardy's face on it. Nobody will have that belt for long except for Hardy. If RVD wins the title back we will have another TNA title. You could see how the TNA title was broken when Hardy handed it over.

I liked the very first segment where the faces came out from different places. Hated the Robbie E and Cookie bantering and how long it took for the match to get going. The match wasn't logical though and Taylor running right by the pinning attempt really annoyed me.

Positives...

Matt Morgan getting a push.
RVD wanting his title back.
Angle and Samoa Joe looking to align against Jarrett eventually... hopefully.
Pope and Abyss is interesting to me. I don't mind Abyss and think he is TNA's Kane/Undertaker
EV2.0 seeming to be breaking apart slowly.

[Stennick]

The nWo was one of the best things to ever happen to wrestling and I am tired of people bringing it up in relation to TNA.

That belt has Hardy's face on it. Nobody will have that belt for long except for Hardy. If RVD wins the title back we will have another TNA title. You could see how the TNA title was broken when Hardy handed it over.

I liked the very first segment where the faces came out from different places. Hated the Robbie E and Cookie bantering and how long it took for the match to get going. The match wasn't logical though and Taylor running right by the pinning attempt really annoyed me.

Positives...

Matt Morgan getting a push.
RVD wanting his title back.
Angle and Samoa Joe looking to align against Jarrett eventually... hopefully.
Pope and Abyss is interesting to me. I don't mind Abyss and think he is TNA's Kane/Undertaker
EV2.0 seeming to be breaking apart slowly.

They bring it up in relation to TNA because TNA has tried to blatantly rip it off many times. I mean come on the BANDS logo was the nWo's freaking logo, it had all former members of the nWo in it and they constantly talked about basically being the nWo. In fact they would have called themselves the nWo if they could have gotten away with it.

The MEM was the nWo as well. The Kings of Wrestling? Yup you guessed it they were an nWo faction as well. And now Immortal makes four, deny it if you want but Immortal IS the nWo you. You can choose to deny it loudly as much as you want that doesn't change the fact that several people (including myself twice) have pointed out how Immortal is exactly another rehash of the nWo. So Kings of Wrestilng, Main Event Mafia, The Band and now Immortal. In the eight years TNA has existed they have done four nWo factions. That means once every two years TNA decided to bring back a faction that hasn't drawn a time since 1998.

So as much as your sick of people bringing up the nWo/TNA storylines we're sick of seeing them at this point. Lets call it a draw.

Really all anyone has said about it is that it looks like something out of the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers which in certain circles could be a good thing. My problem with it is that Hardy didn't buy this championship belt himself. If you believe that Jeff Hardy spent a ton of his own money to make some weird championship just for a gimmick then you're delusional. Clearly its his belt but clearly TNA paid for the belt.

What I found laughable is that TNA wanted to ditch the Legends title once it ran its course but management said they spent too much on the championship just to ditch it.

The point isn't the championship and the point isn't even that they needed a championship. Its that they spent money on a championship and wanted to scrap it, now they have spent money on a personalized championship that realistically inside of a year will be useless. (how long does the WWE use its championships? The Attitude Championship was used for four years, the title before that was used for mabe twice that long, this title has been used for five years). Championship belts are not cheap and looking at the detail I'd say that was more costly than a generic championship. The problem is in a year they need ANOTHER World Championship. For a money that is so closely monitoring its spending and unable to employ guys like Eric Young and the Knockouts for the money they deserve yet they drop cash on championships like its nothing.

Furthermore I have a REAL problem with throwing your title in the trash can. When that was done with Vince's women's championship it was horrible all across the wrestling universe. Not in a good way in an X pac heat sorta way. Vince McMahon himself was appalled by it and well he's Vince McMahon and it was just the women's championship. My point is you don't throw the most important thing in your entire company in the trash for a storyline thats going to last a year and a storyline thats not even hot yet. Now if John Cena showed up with the WWE World Title, yeah throw that bad boy in the trash and light it on fire. Not too mention didn't they already do that with the ECW and Rhino years ago?

Anyway I have mentioned some postive things in TNA but right now I'm not watching because there arent' many positives. Here are some things I liked in April.

Fortune in april the group was just forming and I loved the storyline. Now their an after thought and really obviously breaking a part because Immortal is the new heel stable and their not needed. You can't say Fortune is a positive anymore.

Jay Lethal in April was feuding with Ric Flair and AJ Styles he was opening up impact's, he was the hottest act they had. Whats he doing now? Losing to bad Zack Ryder rip offs and being left off shows.

Desmond Wolfe, this one isn't TNA's fault except for they excluded him from Fortune so he could be part of a tag team that was featured soley on Xplosion.

The Pope he was feuding for the World Title and again one of the hottest acts in the company. Whats he doing now? Losing to Abyss at pay per views and generally just a fall guy in the upper mid card. When was the last time Pope won a singles match on pay per view? Don't worry I'll wait you gotta go back to around February.

So now that those positives are gone and buried I have no will to get invested in NEW positives when TNA has shown me they'll just screw those up as well.

[alden]

ok the belt on tv is even worse. did i see a orange and purple hologram on each side of the belt? Really.........I get it is a "custom" belt but come on. Hardy is a dark char now........not a flashy colorfull face painted hero any more. If they kept the face paint it would be a little better. But come on this is the worst belt i have ever seen.

[TakerNGN74]

It looks more like a womens belt because its purple COME ON NO COMPANY WILL BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WITH A PURPLE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. I actually watched TNA's Impact tonight because for the first time in a while I was home on a Thursday night and man now I want those two hours of my life back. I always like watching reaction because its something completely different so that is the only reason why I can even stomach TNA. There product is so bad that every time I give them a chance they screw it up and make me not want to watch. A handful of my friends as well as myself all say that we want to like TNA but TNA Makes it impossible because they are so stupid in their decision making. If TNA lasts another year I will be completely shocked because the way they are going they should close tomorow.

[djthefunkchris]

And the burial of the faces continues...

When did Fortune turn face?

[ChrisKid]

Eric Young :eek:
Raven :eek:
Lacey :confused:

[PeterHilton]

The nWo was one of the best things to ever happen to wrestling and I am tired of people bringing it up in relation to TNA.




So as much as your sick of people bringing up the nWo/TNA storylines we're sick of seeing them at this point. Lets call it a draw.



That pretty much sums it up for me.

[PeterHilton]

Also...

That belt has Hardy's face on it. Nobody will have that belt for long except for Hardy. If RVD wins the title back we will have another TNA title. You could see how the TNA title was broken when Hardy handed it over.


..you don't still honestly think Hardy bought the belt and NOT TNA? You've got more common sense than that, right?

Again...I don't have any problem with the angle around the new title and I think it "fits" the Jeff Hardy character just fine and I'm sure that the belt will be replaced whenever the "hero" finally takes Hardy and the Immortals down (I have no idea who that is and I kinda don't think TNA knows either)...

But the idea that Hardy bought the belt himself is crazy so I"m just wondering if that's what you still think..

[The Stallion]

While I do agree that the Immortals is another version of the nWo, I do have to disagree with the Main Event Mafia being another version of the nWo. The Mafia was an elite group of only former World Champions and with with the exception of Joe they did not add any members aside from the core group. While the Mafia was featured in the main feuds in TNA, they did not run the promotion like the nWo or Immortal. It's just my opinion but the Mafia was a whole other beast.

[LoNdOn]

...............That's it, I've oficially had enough.

I can't watch the arse gravey that TNA call Impact any longer.

Dull, tedious, flat out boring for 95% of the time at best.

I haven't cared about Hogan and Bischoff since the late nineties and I care even less about them now.

Take your old, broken asses off the tv and let the wrestlers wrestle.

Can anybody honestly say they enjoy this?

[juggaloninjalee]

So you all know I was right about Jeff Hardy actually paying for that belt. He bought it from the same guys who made Shannon Moores title Top Rope Belts.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/topropebelts

TNA didn't pay for the belt.

[Hyde Hill]

No proof he paid for it in the non kayfabe sense. It was made FOR him by a friend of Moore, but TNA most likely paid for it. If you have proof it wasn't in that link.

[Hyde Hill]

Eric Young :eek:
Raven :eek:
Lacey :confused:

EY is back though thank god that Raven and Lacey are gone.

[Chikbot]

raven is raven...thats all ive gotta say,he's the man of 50000000000 moves

laceys gone,huzzah..bye bye manface,now i can pay all my attention to velvet lol

[PeterHilton]

So you all know I was right about Jeff Hardy actually paying for that belt. He bought it from the same guys who made Shannon Moores title Top Rope Belts.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/topropebelts

TNA didn't pay for the belt.

You're ridiculous. Seriously. All that link showed was the guy who MADE the belt.

Think about what you're saying: TNA is the second largest wrestling promotion in the US. They have over a dozen national corporations as sponsors and a TV deal on cable network.

but you're saying that they had their world champion go out and design a title ON HIS OWN - without anyone's knowledge - and then what? He showed up at Impact (not a live show mind you) and they just decided at the last second "y'know..we didn't want this belt but why don't we go ahead and run a 10 minute angle to open the show where we throw OUR OWN title in the trash??"

Is that what you think? Because that's stupid. I know you like defending TNA every time someone criticizes it...but that's just stupid.

Be reasonable: I'm sure Jeff helped with the design, but someone in charge at TNA discussed and eventually approved the design. And yes, they paid for it. Performers don't get to go out and make their own gear to wear on TV to represent the major company they are working for w/o getting approval.

That's not the way the world works.

[20LEgend]

Impact, thought Rhino turning was stupid (is he still leaving?) and Brother Ray annoyed me (not in a heel heat way in, stupid way) hope they don't feud (at least in ring) after their 'retirement'.

Glad I watch it online so I can skip through it, I generally watch it in about 40 minutes and I think thats as much as I can bare.

That said I do get a chuckle when Taz and Tenay build stuff up like it's the most shocking, amazing, blockbuster thing when it really something obvious or crap. I know it their job but it always get me

[juggaloninjalee]

I am saying he had a belt made. Then they worked it into a storyline after Hardy ordered it more than likely. I dont think Hogan and Bischoff or whoever writes storylines said... lets make a belt just for 1 guy so that we spend the money on 2 new belts in the next year. 1 for this guy and 1 for a TNA World Title.

If they couldnt get a new TV belt made in place for the legends belt why would they be able to get a personalized belt and a new world belt approved? Do your bosses at your jobs work that way? I highly doubt it.

Oh and Top Rope Belts isn't the company that does the TNA belts as far as I can tell. www.topropebelts.com

[HughBatey4]

So every heel stable must be an nWo ripoff?

[Hyde Hill]

raven is raven...thats all ive gotta say,he's the man of 50000000000 moves

laceys gone,huzzah..bye bye manface,now i can pay all my attention to velvet lol

Hey I loved Raven operative word is past tense though. He could become a good Road Agent or writer/booker but his active talent days in a non short nostalgia ways are behind him.

[Hyde Hill]

I am saying he had a belt made. Then they worked it into a storyline after Hardy ordered it more than likely. I dont think Hogan and Bischoff or whoever writes storylines said... lets make a belt just for 1 guy so that we spend the money on 2 new belts in the next year. 1 for this guy and 1 for a TNA World Title.

If they couldnt get a new TV belt made in place for the legends belt why would they be able to get a personalized belt and a new world belt approved? Do your bosses at your jobs work that way? I highly doubt it.

Oh and Top Rope Belts isn't the company that does the TNA belts as far as I can tell. www.topropebelts.com

Huh? This makes no sense.

Order of events:

1. Old belt is busted up.

2. To get heel heat and replace old one decision is made to unveil new belt for the heel stable champion.

3. Said champion (helps) pick who makes the belt as it will be a personalized belt.

4. TNA ok's the design and after completion pays for the belt.

5. TNA runs the angle.

What you are saying Hardy went and ordered a belt for himself just for kicks. TNA found out about it and then decided to make it into an angle to replace the old one?

Sorry I think the first scenario is way way way more likely and if the second one happened I need proof.

[dvdWarrior]

So every heel stable must be an nWo ripoff?

The vast majority are Four Horsemen ripoffs. Many of TNA's are nWo ripoffs though, (and Immortal certainly is) - hence the rather enormous size.

Only problem I have with TNA's titles is that the TV title looks so much larger and more impressive than Jeff Hardy's new one.

[juggaloninjalee]

Huh? This makes no sense.

Order of events:

1. Old belt is busted up.

2. To get heel heat and replace old one decision is made to unveil new belt for the heel stable champion.

3. Said champion (helps) pick who makes the belt as it will be a personalized belt.

4. TNA ok's the design and after completion pays for the belt.

5. TNA runs the angle.

What you are saying Hardy went and ordered a belt for himself just for kicks. TNA found out about it and then decided to make it into an angle to replace the old one?

Sorry I think the first scenario is way way way more likely and if the second one happened I need proof.

Shannon Moore bought a belt from that company awhile ago and he isn't a Champion of any kind. I see it this way... Jeff Hardy COULD have ordered a belt from that company. (((TNA had him using a replica TNA World belt and nobody seemed to notice the difference anyways. So no need to buy a new designed belt right now.))) He could have suggested the idea to the bookers. Wrestlers do that all the time. I know most don't get their own ideas approved but they obviously like him so maybe they approved that idea and made something with it. I still think it is possible that Hardy paid for it. That's all and I don't care how TNA spends their money. If they suck as bad as everyone says on these boards then maybe its best that they DO go out of business.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I dont think Hogan and Bischoff or whoever writes storylines said... lets make a belt just for 1 guy so that we spend the money on 2 new belts in the next year. 1 for this guy and 1 for a TNA World Title.

http://www.wrestlingfigureshop.co.uk/ebay/skull1.jpg

[juggaloninjalee]

http://www.wrestlingfigureshop.co.uk/ebay/skull1.jpg

People in this thread claim TNA is tight on money and going to be more strict. They shot the idea down of remaking the Legends belt into a TV title.

So why would they make a personalized World Title for 1 guy who isn't even their #1 seller in merchandise?

WWE has a lot of money to spend. TNA doesn't so them doing it seems like a mute point. Plus this is a different company with completely different people in charge.

[Johnny Fenoli]

People in this thread claim TNA is tight on money and going to be more strict. They shot the idea down of remaking the Legends belt into a TV title.

So why would they make a personalized World Title for 1 guy who isn't even their #1 seller in merchandise?

WWE has a lot of money to spend. TNA doesn't so them doing it seems like a mute point. Plus this is a different company with completely different people in charge.

a title belt isn't that expensive, probably less than 2/3 thousand? It's a prop for the storyline.

[eayragt]

Jeff Hardy COULD have ordered a belt from that company.

Sure, he could have done. But there's zero evidence of it, and it'd make marginally above zero sense for him to have paid for it (although I'll give you that a lot of things in wrestling make as much sense as that).

I would just move on - you thought he paid for the belt, you were almost certainly wrong. Without any evidence (I won't say "any more" as there's been no evidence so far) you're not going to convince anyone.

[PeterHilton]

I am saying he had a belt made. Then they worked it into a storyline after Hardy ordered it more than likely. I dont think Hogan and Bischoff or whoever writes storylines said... lets make a belt just for 1 guy so that we spend the money on 2 new belts in the next year. 1 for this guy and 1 for a TNA World Title.

If they couldnt get a new TV belt made in place for the legends belt why would they be able to get a personalized belt and a new world belt approved? Do your bosses at your jobs work that way? I highly doubt it.



Two totally different cases..the Legends/TV belt is a midcard title that no one pays attention to

We've already seen evidence that the Immortal storyline was planned far in advance. This is obviously a priority to them. Hardy is their guy. This angle is going to play out for months...it makes total sense to get a new belt.

Huh? This makes no sense.

Order of events:

1. Old belt is busted up.

2. To get heel heat and replace old one decision is made to unveil new belt for the heel stable champion.

3. Said champion (helps) pick who makes the belt as it will be a personalized belt.

4. TNA ok's the design and after completion pays for the belt.

5. TNA runs the angle.

What you are saying Hardy went and ordered a belt for himself just for kicks. TNA found out about it and then decided to make it into an angle to replace the old one?



Exactly. And again..TNA has actually shown that they booked this in advance so who's to say they didn't plan this from the get go?

Eric is re-living the nWo era...one of the more iconic images from the Monday Night Wars was the WWF Women's Title being put in the trash can. So he probably thought: Why not do it again..but go even BIGGER???

Jeff Hardy COULD have ordered a belt from that company. ... He could have suggested the idea to the bookers. Wrestlers do that all the time. I know most don't get their own ideas approved but they obviously like him so maybe they approved that idea and made something with it. I still think it is possible that Hardy paid for it.

WWE has a lot of money to spend. TNA doesn't so them doing it seems like a mute point. Plus this is a different company with completely different people in charge.

This whole argument started because you said that Hardy MUST have bought the belt because - if TNA bought it - it would show "bad taste."

That was you defending TNA because no matter what, you defend TNA. Which is totally fine...you're a fan and it's your right.

But we're talking about logic and reason and simple common sense. Sure it's POSSIBLE Hardy bought it, but TNA still would've had to approve it and it seems incredibly unlikely they would've turned it into a major angle after the fact. So it's POSSIBLE...but only in the sense that it's also POSSIBLE the title was a gift from Zeus so that JEff could battle the mighty Krakan and save us from Hades.

What's more likely? That TNA approved of and purchased the belt as a way to push their big star in their biggest angle and re-live a seminal moment from the Monday Night Wars? Or that they saw the belt after it was made, never approved it, but then ran a giant angle as soon as they saw it because it looked so darned cool?

[crownsy]

So every heel stable must be an nWo ripoff?

Ones that include 2 major figures from the NwO and are doing the exact same gimmick down to Easy E's little fist tap to the heart and point to the crowd act?

yea, I'd say the comparison is apt.

[Stennick]

Dear J,

I know you're in a delusional world telling yourself Immortal isn't an nWo rip off, telling yourself Jeff Hardy a guy who has a kid on the way, a guy that has MULTIPLE serious drug charges in court right now, and a guy that I'm sure took a sizeable pay cut when he joined TNA that guy went out and bought a championship, had it cleared with the bookers and then had them make this championship and present it on national television as their official world championship. I know from your earlier statements that you are very delusional when dealing with TNA so please just take my word for it when I tell you that this is a silly, off the wall, closed off thinking. You have offered no credible evidence or offered any convincing argument that this is indeed fact outside of your realm of reality.

Was the championship modeled after Jeff Hardy? Of course it was, The Rock has a Brahma Bull, The Undertaker has his symbol, John Cena has had several vanity belts, even Edge had a champnionship these things happen. Has it happened in TNA yet? No, but to be fair their more focused on ripping off nineties WCW and not nineties WWF.

You want to defend TNA? You don't have to, enjoy it, even come in here and talk about what you like. Nobody has been attacked for liking TNA or the Immortal storyline and those that do like it have even accepted that others have given up on TNA. Enjoy it but you don't need to come in here with your isolated thinking and defending the company with un convincing arguments and borderline crazy theories.

[juggaloninjalee]

Dear J,

I know you're in a delusional world telling yourself Immortal isn't an nWo rip off, telling yourself Jeff Hardy a guy who has a kid on the way, a guy that has MULTIPLE serious drug charges in court right now, and a guy that I'm sure took a sizeable pay cut when he joined TNA that guy went out and bought a championship, had it cleared with the bookers and then had them make this championship and present it on national television as their official world championship. I know from your earlier statements that you are very delusional when dealing with TNA so please just take my word for it when I tell you that this is a silly, off the wall, closed off thinking. You have offered no credible evidence or offered any convincing argument that this is indeed fact outside of your realm of reality.

Was the championship modeled after Jeff Hardy? Of course it was, The Rock has a Brahma Bull, The Undertaker has his symbol, John Cena has had several vanity belts, even Edge had a champnionship these things happen. Has it happened in TNA yet? No, but to be fair their more focused on ripping off nineties WCW and not nineties WWF.

You want to defend TNA? You don't have to, enjoy it, even come in here and talk about what you like. Nobody has been attacked for liking TNA or the Immortal storyline and those that do like it have even accepted that others have given up on TNA. Enjoy it but you don't need to come in here with your isolated thinking and defending the company with un convincing arguments and borderline crazy theories.

I just dislike bashing of most programs. TNA, or WWE it doesnt matter. I will be the 1st to admit I don't know 100% that Hardy or TNA bought that belt but nobody in here knows for sure either. I have known of that company for awhile though and I know Shannon Moore bought a belt from them not long ago. So why wouldn't 1 of his best friends do the same? That was basically my argument about the belts but I know when I go back and read what I have said it doesn't come across that way exactly.

All this bashing of wrestling only sways peoples opinions of the product and not in a positive way. There are a lot of people out there who just go with what the read and make it their opinion too based on things like this. Not sure exactly what I am trying to say but I am not a die hard TNA fan. I wouldn't even shell out $25 to go see them last month but I went to the ROH show Friday night and spent over $50 on my ticket, and memorabilia.

I do agree TNA is doing a lot of things I am not a big fan of but I also want all things wrestling too succeed so I defend all things that are wrestling too.

My TNA positives are... MCMG, Ink Inc., RVD (not on the mic though), The Pope, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe, and Fortune still. Those are some of the things I really do like in TNA.

[eayragt]

My TNA positives are... MCMG, Ink Inc., RVD (not on the mic though), The Pope, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe, and Fortune still. Those are some of the things I really do like in TNA.

I'll have to ask - are you not a Jay Lethal fan, or has TNA's use of him in the last few months put him to the back of your mind? That's not a bash - I was going to post saying "even decent TNA fans are forgetting about Lethal", before realising that not everyone is a fan of him like I am, so it could be that.

Although I would say I am still a TNA fan. I can look at the good old days with rose tinted specs, completely ignoring factors like the horrendous production values and a PPV where accidentally almost burnt the house down.

[Stennick]

I'm a fan of Jay Lethal but whats the point really? He went from beating Ric Flair with the Figure Four Leglock to being beat by a guy who in my opinion that was brought in soley to play this weak gimmick.

I posted before BFG how I would have had Jay Lethal win the world championship at BFG. Not in the current story but in my fantasy booking Jay Lethal wins the championship at BFG. However I don't think TNA could be more clear where they view Jay in the pecking order.

[dvdWarrior]

Jay Lethal makes me sad. I actually thought he was inches away from becoming a star after he beat Flair, and that maybe TNA was on the right track. Then, it just all fell apart. Far as I'm concerned, TNA REALLY dropped the ball on him.

[Stennick]

I would love to hear Eric Bischoff explain why they stopped pushing Jay Lethal.

[haloed]

Jay Lethal makes me sad. I actually thought he was inches away from becoming a star after he beat Flair, and that maybe TNA was on the right track. Then, it just all fell apart. Far as I'm concerned, TNA REALLY dropped the ball on him.

TNA pretty much drops the ball on everyone that starts to get over. It frustrating to see guys so close to breaking out it seems and than they just seem to vanish from the shows.

[PeterHilton]

I do agree TNA is doing a lot of things I am not a big fan of but I also want all things wrestling too succeed so I defend all things that are wrestling too.



This is a "Discussion" thread..not a "blind fanboyism" thread...whether you like it or not it's not our job as fans of wrestling to agree with everything that every promotion does.

People who defend all of anything only encourage mediocrity.

Your "Jeff Hardy bought the title belt" defense was just plain ridiculous..so it's hard to value your opinion or take what you say seriously when you defend everything no matter what. Hyde used to catch flack for being the TNA homer but at least you could always have a fair discussion with him because he admitted faults and was reasonable, even if people didn't share his opinions.

But if you're going to post in a way that you blindly defend everything TNA does with no real logic or reason behind it, you kind of have to expect that people are going to tear your posts apart.

Which is too bad because it seems like when you think your posts out you have some stuff worth listening to.

[Stennick]

Which is too bad because it seems like when you think your posts out you have some stuff worth listening to.

I think there is more evidence of Hardy owning that belt than there is of that statement Peter :)

[Hyde Hill]

This is a "Discussion" thread..not a "blind fanboyism" thread...whether you like it or not it's not our job as fans of wrestling to agree with everything that every promotion does.

People who defend all of anything only encourage mediocrity.

Your "Jeff Hardy bought the title belt" defense was just plain ridiculous..so it's hard to value your opinion or take what you say seriously when you defend everything no matter what. Hyde used to catch flack for being the TNA homer but at least you could always have a fair discussion with him because he admitted faults and was reasonable, even if people didn't share his opinions.

But if you're going to post in a way that you blindly defend everything TNA does with no real logic or reason behind it, you kind of have to expect that people are going to tear your posts apart.

Which is too bad because it seems like when you think your posts out you have some stuff worth listening to.

Thanks mate. And I actually do still have many of those opinions and do still see a lot of good in TNA. Like Papa wrote earlier that is why a lot here write about TNA because they care about TNA and criticise it. Its not just to bash but to look for improvement.

[PeterHilton]

I think there is more evidence of Hardy owning that belt than there is of that statement Peter :)

Now, now...just because he has the word "juggalo" in his screen name..;)

But honestly, I've read his posts on other parts of the board and JNL seems like a good guy. He's taken a TON of grief for his posts about TNA but he's always responded civilly. I don't want him to think it's a personal attack.

He's a big fan of wrestling in general and I get that.

Thanks mate. And I actually do still have many of those opinions and do still see a lot of good in TNA. Like Papa wrote earlier that is why a lot here write about TNA because they care about TNA and criticise it. Its not just to bash but to look for improvement.

No problem, and there's nothing wrong with liking TNA. Hell, there's a lot about TNA that I like when they have things going good. I still like some of the stuff they do now (And as a for instance: I've said a couple times I don't think the belt going in the trash was a bad idea, and that the design makes total sense when you see it as a custom belt for Hardy's character)

But - and I know you know this , Hyde, I'm speaking in general - it's a lot easier to talk to someone who will say "yeah maybe it's a bit of a rip-off of the nWo but if they perform their parts well and there's an actual pay-off at the end of it, then what's the problem?" rather than "OMGZ! how come every time TNA runs an angle you haters say it's a rip off of the WCW/WWE???"

One is a totally valid opinion with a very realistic hope for success and the other is like sticking your hands over your ears and going LALALA as loud as you can.

[juggaloninjalee]

I'll have to ask - are you not a Jay Lethal fan, or has TNA's use of him in the last few months put him to the back of your mind? That's not a bash - I was going to post saying "even decent TNA fans are forgetting about Lethal", before realising that not everyone is a fan of him like I am, so it could be that.

Although I would say I am still a TNA fan. I can look at the good old days with rose tinted specs, completely ignoring factors like the horrendous production values and a PPV where accidentally almost burnt the house down.

I like Jay Lethal in the ring. Didn't like the Black Machismo character though. His short feud with Flair was very entertaining and I liked that a lot. Not sure if I would have pegged him for World Champion anytime soon but he should have been used better after that feud.


Now, now...just because he has the word "juggalo" in his screen name..;)

But honestly, I've read his posts on other parts of the board and JNL seems like a good guy. He's taken a TON of grief for his posts about TNA but he's always responded civilly. I don't want him to think it's a personal attack.

He's a big fan of wrestling in general and I get that.


I can see why people have had arguments about my posts in this thread. It's natural for me to kinda stick up and counter most arguments when I feel they are more on the negative side. I will try not to do that anymore as I do agree with a lot of the negativety sometimes but still find myself taking the opposing side.

I still like Hardy as a heel. By the way hated the face paint he wore.

[Basmat01]

I like Jay Lethal in the ring. Didn't like the Black Machismo character though. His short feud with Flair was very entertaining and I liked that a lot. Not sure if I would have pegged him for World Champion anytime soon but he should have been used better after that feud.

The gimmick itself mimicking a legend is a pretty poor one, TNA got lucky that Jay was able to pull it off and is very very very good at it.

[UkWrestleFan]

I've started watching TNA a bit more lately. By 'a bit more' I mean 'I watched the Impact before Turning Point, Turning Point itself and will be watching the next Impact tonight'

I'm enjoying it but that's probably because I haven't watched anything but WWE for a while. Loving what they've done with Jeff Hardy but Immortal as a whole is a bit mehh for me. Seems silly having a stable within a stable. Fortune had their purpose and Immortal could have had their but seperate from Fortune so not sure why they had to join forces. Maybe, in the long run, it'll lead to the group crumbling within. A.J being a 'TNA Original', I can see him eventually turning and bringing the group down from within.

I see a lot of people unhappy with the Immortal direction and I'm not sold on it just yet but I think it's going to be a case of them being built up to be an unstoppable force so when the TNA guys do finally prevail (which I'm sure they will) it'll be a bigger deal and make those TNA guys look like a huge deal.

I think it'll end up being some TNA guys (Joe, Lethal, The Guns) joined by some 'newer' TNA faces (Anderson, Morgan) probably joined by some vets (Angle, maybe Sting if he comes back) and they'll battle Immortal. I think it'll probably end up like the Invasion where somebody turns on the heel group and helps the good guys win with that somebody being A.J.

[Hyde Hill]

I like Jay Lethal in the ring. Didn't like the Black Machismo character though. His short feud with Flair was very entertaining and I liked that a lot. Not sure if I would have pegged him for World Champion anytime soon but he should have been used better after that feud.




I can see why people have had arguments about my posts in this thread. It's natural for me to kinda stick up and counter most arguments when I feel they are more on the negative side. I will try not to do that anymore as I do agree with a lot of the negativety sometimes but still find myself taking the opposing side.

I still like Hardy as a heel. By the way hated the face paint he wore.

Oh it's no problem to be on the opposing side or to want to argue the other side of the coin but it is the way you do that that is more important like Peterhilton gave an example of how it should and should not be done.

[PeterHilton]

Spoilers for the next three weeks. Nov 18 and 25th

Spoilers:
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tna-spoilers/tna-impact-taping-results-november-9-2010.php
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tna-spoilers/tna-impact-taping-results-november-15-2010.php

And then Dec 2nd

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/162395/Complete-TNA-Impact-Taping-Results-%28SPOILERS%29.htm

[PeterHilton]

Not gonna post any specific spoilers but after reading through those here's my initial thoughts:

--They spend a LOT of time on Bubba/Devon.
--They spend a LOT of time on Jarrett. I mean...a LOT
--The Morgan push continues and looks like it's making sense
--AJ is a total afterthought
--Weird to say, but they are under-utilizing Bischoff, Hogan, and Hardy. I mean, The Immortals are your big heel stable and that is supposed to be your central storyline but most of the big heel segments are carried by Jeff Jarrett and Ric Flair (with Fourtune in the background). SO what's the deal? I thought the whole point of this taping schedule was to make it more attractive to workers who wanted to work less dates. It should be easier to get your BIG names on TV but if you read those spoilers it's like they're building towards a PPV main event with only one side really driving the story.

TNA's schedule means that -at most - these guys are being asked to work what?...5 or 6 days out of the month excluding house shows. If they won't even commit to that, what's the point ?

[20LEgend]

(Above Peters last post I mean the spoilers)^^ This sounds, dull and boring as well as very repetitive, are TNA intent on de valueising every match type, also not liking The Pope's casket

[juggaloninjalee]

Spoilers for the next three weeks. Nov 18 and 25th



And then Dec 2nd

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/162395/Complete-TNA-Impact-Taping-Results-%28SPOILERS%29.htm

Based on that I will say I like about 40% total of the shows. 60% I may flip back and forth with something else on tv. Looks like they are not forgetting about the Joe and Pope stuff from before BFG which is good. I know TNA gets a lot of flack about forgetting previous storylines. So that is a good thing. I HATE the outcome of a couple matches and think the MCMG should be featured more and in better spots.

I agree with your spoiler thoughts post 100%

[Hashasheen]

Not gonna post any specific spoilers but after reading through those here's my initial thoughts:

What I'm irritated about that you also didn't mention was the Cookie in a cage thing. That cage will fall and Cookie is going to get hurt from this stunt. They couldn't just ban her from ringside with the stipulation that if she does, Robbie is stripped of the title?

[Slagaholic]

Deleted spoiler
They have been doing manager in a cage matches since the 70s. I seem to remember Kevin Sullivan in a cage during Starrcade '88. If they could pull this stunt off well 22 years ago I'm sure they could pull it off well now. And didn't the early PPVs have women dancing in cages over the entryway the entire show?

There will be much more dangerous things happening in the ring than a cage suspended above the ring in a studio which is more than equipped to handle this.

[Stennick]

I agree with Slag, now after saying that excuse me while I go bathe I feel dirty just uttering those words :D

[juggaloninjalee]

Did anyone watch Finding Hulk Hogan? I flipped back and forth between that and the Ultimate Fighter last night. Looked like an interesting behind the scenes look at Hogan. Not as good as Bret Harts Wrestling with Shadows but at least a little bit interesting.

[Slagaholic]

Interesting tidbit but take it with a grain of salt as I only found it on the flagship of responsible reporting tnawrestlingnews.com

According to backstage sources, there has been some cost cutting measures within TNA over the last month or so. TNA management and the top decision makers are coming to terms with the fact that some of the top names who are the highest paid talents are not doing anything for the company's ratings.

According to the source, several big changes are planned for the early part of next year. It's possible some of the higher paid talents will be asked to take pay cuts which likely won't go over well.

It should be noted that Dixie Carter's mother (Janice) is one person in particular who is putting her foot down and demanding cost cutting measures.

[Stennick]

If this is true then they are learning the exact same thing I have (and others two) said for a year now.

Their already in television markets all across the world and they were in most of these places before they even made the Hogan deal.

I know Hyde had suggested that having Hogan on board helps with international appeal but if their already in those markets having Hogan shouldn't matter nearly as much as the television's shows success.

At any rate Sting, Nash, Foley, Team 3D, They all do nothing for television ratings and just cutting those names alone would free up a good sized amount of cash. I know 3D aren't going anywhere but a guy can dream.

[The Bus]

I.e. old guys like Nash and Foley would be great assets for TNA, but surely not as wrestlers. Doing commentary, managing younger guys or being authority figures would be great roles for them in addition to creative and agent work. I can't understand why they don't get these great assets to work in the way best for the company. Of course the money paid in current contracts would be hard to take them out of the ring and in to the backstage, but Nash doesn't have a contract so he could come back with a new role and a different contract.

[Hyde Hill]

Middle East Deal, South East Asia deal and new France deal. All made post Hogan signing. But yeah as soon as all international deals are done and TNA has somewhat full coverage its time to phase the nostalgia guys out. If they don't do it then they never will. They are getting too much relevant screen time as is already.

[juggaloninjalee]

This week was the 1st week I haven't watched by choice in a few months. Not because I read the spoilers or anything but I just felt that I had other things to take care of. I went grocery shopping instead in case you are wondering.

I think if TNA wants to get over with the mainstream they need to CREATE SUPERSTARS with who they have. All of Fortune, MCMG, Gen Me, Ink Inc., Samoa Joe, and then their current main event of RVD, Jeff Hardy, Mr. Anderson, Abyss(I say this loosely), Angle, Pope, and Matt Morgan. Every week TNA should ask what have we done to get this guy over referring to these guys. Whether it is a storyline that makes you love or love to hate these guys.

No more tired filler matches!

[maskedpropaganda]

I agree with Bus and UK Wrestling Fan mostly. Alot of these nostalgia acts have a place though some do not. An example of this is one of my favs of all time Foley. He has no place in the company right now and shouldn't be given any backstage role simply due to being able to get another to do the same job for much cheaper. Another is Jeff Jarrett. How much air time TV&PPV's has this dude been given in the span of the last couple months? And he is winning, constantly. Not putting over anybody or giving anyone a rub by being in a program with them that aren't already more over than he (Angle, Joe).

Others like Hardy, Angle, RVD, Anderson, Pope, Sting, Taz, Hogan, Bischoff, Flair etc. are solid in their current positions and should be kept as such IMO.

Dreamer is a guy I would keep and shove into a backstage guru type (Head Agent something..)

Joe, Styles, MCMG, Beer Money, Abyss, Wolfe, Generation Me, Ink Inc., Jay Lethal, Morgan these are the guys who I would keep and push.

I would lose Red, Kendrick (whom I like), Kaz, Kiyoshi, Magnus, Orlando Jordan, Rhino, Rob Terry, Shark Boy, Richards, Team 3D (though I would establish even more of a relationship with their school to the point where it is an FCW-very light)

And for the love of God stop the Rob Eckos experiment.

[juggaloninjalee]

I agree with Bus and UK Wrestling Fan mostly. Alot of these nostalgia acts have a place though some do not. An example of this is one of my favs of all time Foley. He has no place in the company right now and shouldn't be given any backstage role simply due to being able to get another to do the same job for much cheaper. Another is Jeff Jarrett. How much air time TV&PPV's has this dude been given in the span of the last couple months? And he is winning, constantly. Not putting over anybody or giving anyone a rub by being in a program with them that aren't already more over than he (Angle, Joe).

Others like Hardy, Angle, RVD, Anderson, Pope, Sting, Taz, Hogan, Bischoff, Flair etc. are solid in their current positions and should be kept as such IMO.

Dreamer is a guy I would keep and shove into a backstage guru type (Head Agent something..)

Joe, Styles, MCMG, Beer Money, Abyss, Wolfe, Generation Me, Ink Inc., Jay Lethal, Morgan these are the guys who I would keep and push.

I would lose Red, Kendrick (whom I like), Kaz, Kiyoshi, Magnus, Orlando Jordan, Rhino, Rob Terry, Shark Boy, Richards, Team 3D (though I would establish even more of a relationship with their school to the point where it is an FCW-very light)

And for the love of God stop the Rob Eckos experiment.

I disagree with some of this. Jarrett could be a gateway to the main event kind of guy. Only he needs to lose some matches against guys. Flair has been too much of a focus for air time. He overshadows Fortune a lot and it bugs me. He shouldn't be the main focus of the group.

Also I wouldn't get rid of all those guys. Amazing Red, Brian Kendrick (whom I DISlike), Magnus, Rhino, Shark Boy, and Stevie Richards I would keep. Red, Kendrick, and Shark Boy all could be in a good X-Division with Rob Eckos as Rob Eckos... not Robbie E. Doug Williams could also have a place here.

Stevie Richards and Rhino both have a place. Stevie Richards is the gateway to the midcard, and Rhino is a gateway to the upper midcard. Both of these guys should be used like Jarrett in their positions on the card though.

Obviously this is only my opinion but I would like to see 2 X-Division matches a week. I think wrestling should take up about 75% of the show of Impact as well. Total time of X-Division matches could be kept under 25 minutes per week too so they could have other matches too.

[PeterHilton]

At any rate Sting, Nash, Foley, Team 3D, They all do nothing for television ratings and just cutting those names alone would free up a good sized amount of cash. I know 3D aren't going anywhere but a guy can dream.

I.e. old guys like Nash and Foley would be great assets for TNA, but surely not as wrestlers. Doing commentary, managing younger guys or being authority figures would be great roles for them in addition to creative and agent work. I can't understand why they don't get these great assets to work in the way best for the company. Of course the money paid in current contracts would be hard to take them out of the ring and in to the backstage, but Nash doesn't have a contract so he could come back with a new role and a different contract.

I agree with Bus and UK Wrestling Fan mostly. Alot of these nostalgia acts have a place though some do not. An example of this is one of my favs of all time Foley. He has no place in the company right now and shouldn't be given any backstage role simply due to being able to get another to do the same job for much cheaper. Another is Jeff Jarrett. How much air time TV&PPV's has this dude been given in the span of the last couple months? And he is winning, constantly. Not putting over anybody or giving anyone a rub by being in a program with them that aren't already more over than he (Angle, Joe).



I disagree with some of this. Jarrett could be a gateway to the main event kind of guy. Only he needs to lose some matches against guys. Flair has been too much of a focus for air time. He overshadows Fortune a lot and it bugs me. He shouldn't be the main focus of the group.

Also I wouldn't get rid of all those guys. Amazing Red, Brian Kendrick (whom I DISlike), Magnus, Rhino, Shark Boy, and Stevie Richards I would keep. Red, Kendrick, and Shark Boy all could be in a good X-Division with Rob Eckos as Rob Eckos... not Robbie E. Doug Williams could also have a place here.

Stevie Richards and Rhino both have a place. Stevie Richards is the gateway to the midcard, and Rhino is a gateway to the upper midcard. Both of these guys should be used like Jarrett in their positions on the card though.


I'm not going to debate any specific list, because a "Who Would You Cut?" type deal is always more of an opinion than anything (I will say I seriously have no idea how Rhino, Magnus, Or Stevie are any more useful than Kaz or Kiyoshi)

But the over-all idea that they need to cut some dead weight is something I totally agree with. And the nostalgia acts..they need to go. I'm not delusional enough to think Jarrett will ever be let go, even though I'd LOVE that. TNA could definitely stop throwing him in the main event and making him the focus of 3-4 segments a show, but people have been saying that for years.....er, since TNA opened it's doors.

But Nash, Foley, 3D, EV2...Sting...I'm so tired of hearing how they can be "gateways to the main event" or how they'd work great "in a different role." TNA needs ratings. That's it. If those guys aren't drawing viewers - which is what they're paid to do - they should be gone. No one with a name value like Nash or Foley is going to take a smaller contract to be a road agent. And look at TNA's booking..since when has there ever been a planned out structure so that a guy is a "gateway" to anything?

Cut them loose. All of them. Even ting has worn out his welcome because his appearances/returns/retirements are no longer really that special because he's done them so often.

If they can't draw, and they aren't reliable workers, then they shouldn't have a job. TNA has enough 'established names' and talented younger workers that the nostalgia deal is totally unnecessary.

[Self]

Interesting tidbit but take it with a grain of salt as I only found it on the flagship of responsible reporting tnawrestlingnews.com

I love how "Dixie's Mom" is the one telling her to tighten up the purse strings. How quaint is that? It's like a spoiled teenager getting out of hand buying shoes and dresses and being told off. How old is Dixie Carter? Can't she handle her own finances? :D

[Blackman]

Middle East Deal, South East Asia deal and new France deal. All made post Hogan signing. But yeah as soon as all international deals are done and TNA has somewhat full coverage its time to phase the nostalgia guys out. If they don't do it then they never will. They are getting too much relevant screen time as is already.

Hogan as an asset in a non-wrestling role is different then a bunch of other ex-WWE people in an active wrestler role. In that role they are all has-beens. Hogan has the aura and the credibility and the mic skills (though limited)

[Bigpapa42]

I love how "Dixie's Mom" is the one telling her to tighten up the purse strings. How quaint is that? It's like a spoiled teenager getting out of hand buying shoes and dresses and being told off. How old is Dixie Carter? Can't she handle her own finances? :D

That was my exact thought. Especially amusing since Dixie isn't exactly a teenager...

[Hyde Hill]

Hogan as an asset in a non-wrestling role is different then a bunch of other ex-WWE people in an active wrestler role. In that role they are all has-beens. Hogan has the aura and the credibility and the mic skills (though limited)

Yep but he and other nostalgia acts are still too much a focal point in general and as it comes to on screen airtime. It's Hogan's Immortals and Flair's Fortune. Instead of Hardy's Immortal's and AJ's Fortune. This is similar as if for instance in Evolution Flair was the head guy instead of HHH.

I wouldn't be as radical as to cut them all but I would definitely reduce their roles heavily at least until international distribution and other such sectors where their name power can be useful have been near maxed out. Say for instance the Middle East deal. They now have it, after 1 year of having the relevant talent being the stars of the show and the nostalgia acts the garnish the relevant talent will be over enough so as to make a longer deal without future use of the nostalgia guys. Once this is completed in all relevant markets then totally cut them out.

[Hyde Hill]

Great piece on TNA about halfway threw here. JP Prag and his Hamilton Avenue Journal will be missed.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/162598/News-from-Prags-Place-11.18.10:-Second-and-Final-Edition.htm

[Hashasheen]

Who saw the Reaction fight between the Gen-Me and the MCMG? That **** was just balls out crazy.

[Self]

Who saw the Reaction fight between the Gen-Me and the MCMG? That **** was just balls out crazy.

Just watched it. Really liked it. Taz's commentary was incredibly annoying, but the actual action was a thumbs up. Awesome ending.

[alden]

the reaction FIGHT between the guns and gen me was GREAT!!!!!! the funny part is that not everyone would get to see such great segment/fight/match. The four guys put there body's through hell and not many people are going to see it. If they put that on a show or a ppv it would be talked about for a very long time. The unprotected kicks at the end were sick. The only bad part is now how do you top that with a "match". It took everything each team had and they both kept getting up for more. anything else now is going to be somewhat anti-climatic in my opinion.

[brashleyholland]

Especially amusing since Dixie isn't exactly a teenager...

If only she was...or I was 20 years older...or $20mil richer :-p

[juggaloninjalee]

the reaction FIGHT between the guns and gen me was GREAT!!!!!! the funny part is that not everyone would get to see such great segment/fight/match. The four guys put there body's through hell and not many people are going to see it. If they put that on a show or a ppv it would be talked about for a very long time. The unprotected kicks at the end were sick. The only bad part is now how do you top that with a "match". It took everything each team had and they both kept getting up for more. anything else now is going to be somewhat anti-climatic in my opinion.

Honestly I think if they show this on Impact this week it would be great. It shows the hatred these two teams have for each other. This in turn makes me want to see more. Before that I really didn't want to see a Gen Me vs MCMG match.

[Hyde Hill]

This should be interesting if I can get my hands on it.

Guest Booker with Dutch Mantell (former TNA creative) on TNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2VhQEef7I&feature=player_embedded)

[crownsy]

This should be interesting if I can get my hands on it.

Guest Booker with Dutch Mantell (former TNA creative) on TNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2VhQEef7I&feature=player_embedded)

That looks really intersting, I love stuff like that.

Let me know if you find it anywhere Hyde, I'd be interested in giving it a look.

[Hyde Hill]

Will do. Combine that with the Dixie shoot and you should get a good view of TNA inner workings at least pre Hogan/Bisch.

[maskedpropaganda]

I hope mama Carter stops the useless expenses such as paying 18,000 for an ugly purple belt that will only be used for a few months on tv (which is actually like 12 days of work if ya think about it with two Impacts shot in each day usually). Gotta spend money to make money but spend it wisely myjebus.

[juggaloninjalee]

I hope mama Carter stops the useless expenses such as paying 18,000 for an ugly purple belt that will only be used for a few months on tv (which is actually like 12 days of work if ya think about it with two Impacts shot in each day usually). Gotta spend money to make money but spend it wisely myjebus.

It didn't cost them that much. Go check out the website of the company that made it and see what the price is for a completely custom belt. www.topropebelts.com

[Slagaholic]

I hope mama Carter stops the useless expenses such as paying 18,000 for an ugly purple belt that will only be used for a few months on tv (which is actually like 12 days of work if ya think about it with two Impacts shot in each day usually). Gotta spend money to make money but spend it wisely myjebus.

The belt really isn't that ugly up close.

http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/images/galleries/20newtnatitle/1.jpg
In fact I'd say it looks pretty badass.

[ampulator]

Slag, by showing me that picture, you have actually convinced me that it looks ugly, even when I didn't before.

Mission failed. :(

[Self]

Yeah. Up close that's pretty bad. Well made, but ugly concept.

However, as a heel Jeff Hardy vanity belt, it's perfect. Although I always thought the point of vanity belts was to sell replicas on the merchandise tables, in which case this probably isn't the best design. Who knows? Maybe's Jeff's still popular enough to shift some.

[maskedpropaganda]

It didn't cost them that much. Go check out the website of the company that made it and see what the price is for a completely custom belt. www.topropebelts.com

I have heard as low as 6,000 and high as 20,000 from different people. It is being reported by Ryan Clark and the Wrestling Observer as 18,000. Not that means fact but he knows more people than I and def you. I have seen TRB belts before and been to their website as well and the key word is custom. That belt for Jeff Hardy is actually a painting he did he considers himself an artist and he got it carved into the form and dispite being ugly as sin is very detailed and is alot of poundage of metal. I don't know how much you think something that peticular would cost but 11,000-15,000 grand sounds accurate IMO and I would not be surprised if the cost was more.

[juggaloninjalee]

I have heard as low as 6,000 and high as 20,000 from different people. It is being reported by Ryan Clark and the Wrestling Observer as 18,000. Not that means fact but he knows more people than I and def you. I have seen TRB belts before and been to their website as well and the key word is custom. That belt for Jeff Hardy is actually a painting he did he considers himself an artist and he got it carved into the form and dispite being ugly as sin is very detailed and is alot of poundage of metal. I don't know how much you think something that peticular would cost but 11,000-15,000 grand sounds accurate IMO and I would not be surprised if the cost was more.

All the custom belts on that site are carved into the metal and most are painted. I just don't think $18,000 is even close. I could see maybe $6,000 but again who cares about how TNA spends their money. They need to learn how to book regardless of how much money they are spending.

[PeterHilton]

Custom belt debuts..rumors of it's cost arise....stories about Dixie's mom stepping in to control finances start appearing....

COINCIDENCE????

Could Jeff's belt be the last straw that makes the folks at Panda wonder "What the hell has our girl been doing these past couple years?"

[Slagaholic]

You're all queers. That belt rules.

[juggaloninjalee]

Custom belt debuts..rumors of it's cost arise....stories about Dixie's mom stepping in to control finances start appearing....

COINCIDENCE????

Could Jeff's belt be the last straw that makes the folks at Panda wonder "What the hell has our girl been doing these past couple years?"

Or how much did they pay JWow? That could have been the last straw financially when Panda said oh that didn't lead to long lasting ratings. My point is who cares what they spend. Until they book better consistent shows TNA won't be successful.

[dvdWarrior]

Actually, I don't think the belt looks all that bad - aside from maybe bringing Merman to mind a little. Don't think I'd have replaced my World championship with it though; I might've just had Jeff show up with it after being shafted out of the World title a couple of times, and having it be a little like Taz's old FTW title from ECW maybe.

I also think it'd suit babyface Jeffro much better than heel Jeffro, but again, that's just an opinion.

[Hyde Hill]

Even-though a lot of people are not fans of TNA's current product, like me, I would advise everyone to see the guns vs bucks empty arena fight/match reaction style.

Part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yAECG3zw46c#!)

part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGhqawWKtHo&feature=related)

Such a shame it remains. TNA does and has so much good it just gets mired by all the bs.

BTW I do think the reports of TNA's financial troubles are exaggerated. Dixie's mom is just helping out with the finances as Panda has done in the past and the belt isn't too expensive.

PS the rumours about Dixie's mom came before the belt.

PPS Ugly Belt but it fits Hardy and the Storyline. Shouldn't have trashed the old one though simply replaced it.

[Hyde Hill]

According to TNAsylum Sky has confirmed that the most popular BRAVO programs will be moved to other SKY channels, including TNA Impact. Good news for the UK fans and TNA.

[maskedpropaganda]

Or how much did they pay JWow? That could have been the last straw financially when Panda said oh that didn't lead to long lasting ratings. My point is who cares what they spend. Until they book better consistent shows TNA won't be successful.

It was a crazy amount like thirteen grand for her one appearance 100% agree with this assessment by the ninja. How much doesn't really matter in the long run as long as it is spent right.... which in these two instances under discussion (belt/Jersey shore chick) is not.

[20LEgend]

Even-though a lot of people are not fans of TNA's current product, like me, I would advise everyone to see the guns vs bucks empty arena fight/match reaction style.

Part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yAECG3zw46c#!)

part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGhqawWKtHo&feature=related)

Such a shame it remains. TNA does and has so much good it just gets mired by all the bs.

BTW I do think the reports of TNA's financial troubles are exaggerated. Dixie's mom is just helping out with the finances as Panda has done in the past and the belt isn't too expensive.

PS the rumours about Dixie's mom came before the belt.

PPS Ugly Belt but it fits Hardy and the Storyline. Shouldn't have trashed the old one though simply replaced it.

decent stuff, but Taz needs to STFU almost ruined it for me... and TeNAy for that matter.

Also don't know why but angles like the MCMG/Nucks always remind me of cut scenes in Smackdown vs Raw 2008 or 09

[Genadi]

You're all queers. That belt rules.

What does ones sexual preference have to do with it? On further inspection of the belt, people in glass houses ;)

[Stennick]

people in glass houses ;)

This wins my nom for post of the month at the very least

[BHK1978]

That belt looks like it was made at a flea market by gypsies.

[TakerNGN74]

It looks like a women's title.

[Stennick]

It looks like a women's title.

Well to be fair its Jeff's belt so it kinda is

[TakerNGN74]

Very tue.

[The Stallion]

Its such a shame that TNA is going down the path it is. They have such talent and by watching that brawl between the Guns and Gen Mr its obvious they have guys who are passionate about wrestling there and TNA could make a identity for themselves as a hard hitting fast past show. I have not watched in a few weeks so I dont know what is going on, but I do feel a loss inside that I use to fill watching my favorite wrestlers in TNA every week.

[Wrestling Century]

Slag, by showing me that picture, you have actually convinced me that it looks ugly, even when I didn't before.

Mission failed. :(

I think that it looks like a rock concert poster! It actually looks pretty damn cool close up IMO.

[Slagaholic]

I think that it looks like a rock concert poster! It actually looks pretty damn cool close up IMO.

:: pound/dap ::

[Wrestling Century]

::pound/dap::

Huh? :confused:

[Slagaholic]

Fixed!

Sorry that's a black thing.

It means: respect.

[Wrestling Century]

Fixed!

Sorry that's a black thing.

It means: respect.

Okay then. I've never heard of it before.

[Wrestling Century]

Hey, am I the only smark on the internet that actually likes Abyss? :p

[Slagaholic]

Face Abyss is unbearable. Heel Abyss is very good at what he does. He isn't on the level of a Kane or Undertaker. But for a monster heel he does it well.

[Wrestling Century]

Face Abyss is unbearable. Heel Abyss is very good at what he does. He isn't on the level of a Kane or Undertaker. But for a monster heel he does it well.

Actually I thought that face Abyss was pretty good during the pre-Hogan era of TNA. But once Hogan came in he pretty much ruined face Abyss's character with the whole Hall of Fame ring storyline IMO.

[lazorbeak]

The only way that belt could be any gayer is if it featured the two grapplers from the NWA logo naked on the back.

Also it needs more unicorns.

[Tag01]

That belt would have been a good one for David Arquette to wear as WCW champion.

[Stennick]

Hey, am I the only smark on the internet that actually likes Abyss? :p

No offense but you thought John Cena was really retiring I don't think you could call yourself a "smark".

You're understand wrestling is fake but that doesn't make you a smark.

[Hyde Hill]

No offense but you thought John Cena was really retiring I don't think you could call yourself a "smark".

You're understand wrestling is fake but that doesn't make you a smark.

Oh come on lets not start this again here as well. And yeah I like Abyss as well. Not ring Abyss but in general I like him. He gets way too much flack from the IWC imho. Kinda to be expected when Hogan calls you his Cena though, automatic backlash.

[Self]

Oh come on lets not start this again here as well. And yeah I like Abyss as well. Not ring Abyss but in general I like him. He gets way too much flack from the IWC imho. Kinda to be expected when Hogan calls you his Cena though, automatic backlash.

I've disliked Abyss for longer than that, but yeah, the actual hatred begun when Abyss started blubbering to 'Mr Hulk' and kissing his ring. An awful, awful character. Perfectly acceptable wrestling, but I find him utterly unlikeable in every single way.

[Hashasheen]

Hey, am I the only smark on the internet that actually likes Abyss? :p

Pretty much. TNA's poor man's version of Cactus Jack/masked Kane, in my opinion. And I've gone back and watched earlier footage and takes on his character. Not that appealing.

[juggaloninjalee]

Abyss as a heel is good and I can watch him. I also agree TNA could be a fast paced hard hitting product but that isn't what they want to be known as.

I wouldn't say a dap is a black thing. I've known of it for awhile and I am white. It's basically giving someone props.

[PeterHilton]

Hey, am I the only smark on the internet that actually likes Abyss? :p

No offense but you thought John Cena was really retiring I don't think you could call yourself a "smark".

You're understand wrestling is fake but that doesn't make you a smark.
I lol'd and I'd agreewith Stennick's assessment


I wouldn't say a dap is a black thing. I've known of it for awhile and I am white. It's basically giving someone props.

Saying "it's a black thing" doesn't ever mean ONLY black people know about it. It's just that it's something that started within the black community, like most urban trends. (ironically enough, exactly like the phrase "giving props")

[Stennick]

Yeah I pound it/give daps to my my eight year old brother and I'm white. WC just happens to be whiter than Bunny Bread I'm assuming :D

[Wrestling Century]

Yeah I pound it/give daps to my my eight year old brother and I'm white. WC just happens to be whiter than Bunny Bread I'm assuming :D

I've never heard of it before! :p Oh well, I guess you learn something new every day. Anyways, Raven is one of my favorite wrestlers, but yet I'm glad that he isn't in TNA anymore. Why? Because IMO Raven just isn't Raven anymore. He can't wrestle as well in the ring nowadays IMO, and TNA hasn't really let his character shine lately.

[Stennick]

http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv146/jedw7/clusters1.jpg

Friend of mine hit me with this on Facebook. I just thought it was good for a laugh.

[Mr.Macho]

I didnt even lol.

[The Final Countdown]

The funniest part of that picture for me was seeing Gary Busey, because it reminded me the skit Conan O'Brien started doing this week where his blimp stalks Gary Busey wherever he goes.

[haloed]

Was watching last week's episode of Reaction and Hogan's comments on there are baffling. He brings up Kayfabe and than says it doesn't matter how many fake belts you win. Even though people know its fake, they still care about the belts if they're made to look good. But how can anyone give a damn if come out and say you shouldn't care. What the hecks the point of even watching than if you don't care atleast a little bit about the wrestlers chasing after championship belts?

Comments like that are definately a huge turn off to the wrestling thing, especially if the comments are made on your wrestling TV show. Dumb move by TNA imo.

[djthefunkchris]

Was watching last week's episode of Reaction and Hogan's comments on there are baffling. He brings up Kayfabe and than says it doesn't matter how many fake belts you win. Even though people know its fake, they still care about the belts if they're made to look good. But how can anyone give a damn if come out and say you shouldn't care. What the hecks the point of even watching than if you don't care atleast a little bit about the wrestlers chasing after championship belts?

Comments like that are definately a huge turn off to the wrestling thing, especially if the comments are made on your wrestling TV show. Dumb move by TNA imo.

I'm having a hard time here.... At what point did Hogan speak, and where do you chime in on your thoughts, or is the whole thing bassically Hogan Talking till the second paragraph?

[Stennick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldq4GzN5UwI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEk83FZrSo&feature=related

[Genadi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldq4GzN5UwI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEk83FZrSo&feature=related

It's like he's ripping on himself lol.

[SaySo]

So Hulk Hogan has 0 real world title reigns?

[SaySo]

Kevin Nash posted the following on Twitter, but then removed it after getting some backlash from fans:

"I promise I will not be back in the WWE. they think young sells .I've watched Grand Torino 15 times. bad ass sells not Mens fitness in trunks. WWE told the world that there s*** is a work with the Miz as champ. Going to bed WWE is a buzz kill. HHH, Taker get well!”

[Slim Jim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEk83FZrSo&feature=related

0:09 - "RE-create larger than life characters" :rolleyes:

[haloed]

I'm having a hard time here.... At what point did Hogan speak, and where do you chime in on your thoughts, or is the whole thing bassically Hogan Talking till the second paragraph?

Oops. Sorry man. Shoulda put it up like the following...

Was watching last week's episode of Reaction and Hogan's comments on there are baffling. He brings up Kayfabe and than says it doesn't matter how many fake belts you win.

Even though people know its fake, they still care about the belts if they're made to look good. But how can anyone give a damn if come out and say you shouldn't care. What the hecks the point of even watching than if you don't care atleast a little bit about the wrestlers chasing after championship belts?

Comments like that are definately a huge turn off to the wrestling thing, especially if the comments are made on your wrestling TV show. Dumb move by TNA imo.

Only the first couple of sentences are what Hogan said. The rest is my take.


On a side note, the Machine Gun/ Gen Me brawl thing was great.

[crownsy]

Kevin Nash posted the following on Twitter, but then removed it after getting some backlash from fans:

"I promise I will not be back in the WWE. they think young sells .I've watched Grand Torino 15 times. bad ass sells not Mens fitness in trunks. WWE told the world that there s*** is a work with the Miz as champ. Going to bed WWE is a buzz kill. HHH, Taker get well!”

Told the whole world it's a work.

Kevin Nash- It's still real to him, damnit!

And yea KEvin, young and talented does sell over to old to be interesting. TNA's finding that out the hard way. they've sure seen alot of improvement ratings wise for sinking a ton of cash in the old guard eh?

At least his firing shows they might be working in the right direction

[Waghlon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldq4GzN5UwI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEk83FZrSo&feature=related


My head hurts. So so much.

[crownsy]

My head hurts. So so much.

I know that in itself is a work, but has hulk watched an episode of impact lately?

It's the definition of keyfab haha

[Hyde Hill]

*facepalm* And its getting more WCW the dying years by the minute.

[Slagaholic]

*facepalm* And its getting more WCW the dying years by the minute.
Go back and watch WCW in its dying days and try to say this again and not feel like an ass.

Many of the WCW-TNA comparisons are apt, but people are forgetting just how awful WCW was in mid-99. TNA is miles, MILES better than WCW was in mid-99.

[jwt13]

That was a good opening segment

[Teh_Showtime]

anybody see the video when Jeff was shooting on CM Punk?

I think he makes some interesting points in the short video but I would be inclined to say that CM Punk also made Jeff look good during their feud and not vice versa although I think they meshed greatly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCcHJKJ1jU&feature=player_embedded

[Genadi]

Told the whole world it's a work.

Kevin Nash- It's still real to him, damnit!

And yea KEvin, young and talented does sell over to old to be interesting. TNA's finding that out the hard way. they've sure seen alot of improvement ratings wise for sinking a ton of cash in the old guard eh?

At least his firing shows they might be working in the right direction

I think you completely misunderstand what he said. If any guy treats wrestling like a work it's Nash.

[TakerNGN74]

Watched Impact tonight and it was actually pretty good, way better than the Impact on Veterans Day.

[jwt13]

Watched Impact tonight and it was actually pretty good, way better than the Impact on Veterans Day.

Yes I liked it alot better than the last few weeks maybe they're getting back on track

[Hyde Hill]

Go back and watch WCW in its dying days and try to say this again and not feel like an ass.

Many of the WCW-TNA comparisons are apt, but people are forgetting just how awful WCW was in mid-99. TNA is miles, MILES better than WCW was in mid-99.

Not saying it's on that level of bad yet. But the whole belts don't matter skit is very much from that period.

[The Stallion]

I tell you in my TNA game I have totally hit the reset button and right now my top two guys are Samoa Joe & Jay Lethal. In fact they are getting ready to face each other for the vacant Heavyweight Title. Joe holds major victories over Kurt Angle & Abyss and Lethal holds victories over Flair, Foley and Mr. Anderson. They are both the big names in the company in my game and I think they could be in real life. If TNA were to become the fast past, hard hitting alt to WWE's PG TV, they could draw huge numbers. I use Hogan as a personality who goes to all the major talk shows and events (like it or not Hogan is still a huge name and can draw interest) and puts over the big matches and TNA in general. Bischoff is used as an on-air General Manager of sorts, with Hogan sometimes playing that role as well. A lot f the olders guys (Sting, Flair, Foley) are being used, or going to be used as Managers and Occasional, special attraction wrestlers (I just held a big match between Sting and Flair that was only mid-way through the card on my last PPV). I have grown the tag team, X-Division and knockouts division with names such as Hass & Benjamin, Amazing Kong, Paul London and a few others. Things have been rough in my TNA game because of the money being shelled out to the big names, but I am slowly starting to draw more people and ratings with big matches all the time.
I know this is talk about TNA in its current form, but this is my fantasy booking and how I think TNA could draw themselves out of there funk. JMHO by the way.

[crownsy]

I think you completely misunderstand what he said. If any guy treats wrestling like a work it's Nash.

So your contention is his entire twitter about WWE making a mistake with the miz run because it's telling the world it's a work is also a work?

mabey, but I like to think Kevin's brain is just pickled from all the booze and drugs and he has this idea that most of the world thinks wrestling is still real. It fits in with his hair brained idea's that pushing any young guy is a bad idea because the public only wants to see mid 90's superstars well past their time wrestle.

[Stennick]

So I watched ReACtion which had the main event that I thought was kind of lame. Doug Williams just doesn't look like he belongs with Joe, Pope and Morgan.

That being said Morgan looks like a superstar. The guy is big, athletic, and he can talk. I think his tatoos are horrible, faded and look like they were done by somebody in a basement (for the most part).

Look at Brock and Batista's back tats and they stand out, their clear, their dark enough to pull attention while on camera. Morgans is a good idea its just dull and looks faded which is crazy since he's most likely had a very short time.

I have not watched TNA since BFG and I had not watched a lot of the build up to it. So forgive me if I'm wrong BUT

Didn't Eric get Dixie to sign all decision making rights over to him on the iMpact before TNA? Isn't Hogan a (fifty percent owner) somehow buying out Jarrett and Foley's "stake" in the company. So if Hulk is fifty percent owner and Eric has all decision making rights how did a judge stop Hogan from signing people and how is Hogan not signing people them not having any power? She said until this was cleared up Immortal would have no power. So how does that work? Hogan's an owner of a company and can't make decisions? Dixie signed away rights to her whatever it was to Bischoff and he can't make decisions?

I think thats the biggest problem I have with this is that it feels like their trying to do an nWo like take over and just like then they got the decision maker on their side but the problem is Hogan already owned fifty percent of the damn company and Bischoff had to have some power he was out there ripping up run sheets and booking your fired matches between Foley and Jarrett. All of this was six months before Immortal so what did Immortal change? They already HAD all the power so why did the owner and for lack of a better term "president of operations" need Dixie to sign anything away. And why would Hogan "signing documents he's not supposed to sign" effect Bischoff's rights that Dixie gave him? And why would that effect Immortal's power?

So now what happens wouldn't that essentially cripple them? If Immortal can't make choices what does that do for their story? Isn't this a bit early to be doing the "we took your power away" story? I mean JJ Dillon didn't come in for over a year in the nWo storyline (which by that time was dull but thats not the point).

So anyway as you can see I'm entirely confused by this "power struggle". Dixie was owner, then Jarrett, then Foley, then somehow they got their ownership taken away without their consent because Hogan bought them out? Then Dixie gives Eric power, then Dixie is powerless, now Immortal is powerless? Does that mean Dixie has power again? I'm not saying I want it to be perfect but does no one else thing this is a bit convulted to sayt he least? and if not convulted isn't a bit early for Immortal to have their power taken away even for a few weeks? Shouldn't they be tearing down the iMpact zone and making it the iMmortal Zone?

Or is this their way of getting some "heat" on Immortal? Their going to win their matches but Dixie is going to screw with Bischoff and Hogan to make up for it?

Answers you guys got 'em, I need 'em.

[Hyde Hill]

Ok I haven't watched after BFG either so I can only lay out what happened before then.

Cornette was the original GM and Jarrett had no power other then being the founder. Foley came in and as an investor and was made the executive shareholder by Dixie and Cornette was gone. Suddenly as founder Jarrett had some power but Foley was the "real" general manager as executive shareholder.

Then when Hogan and Bisch came in Hogan was Dixie's business partner and in charge of the wrestling and Dixie revoked all the powers that Jarrett as founder and Foley as shareholder had. So now they where just minority shareholders/ founder.

This means that from that point on Hogan was in charge of the wrestling aspect and Bisch was his appointed GM for a comparison think Dixie as pre campaign CEO and majority owner for real Linda and Hogan as on screen minority owner Vince, with Bisch as Theodore Long.

Now the whole goal of Immortal was/is to take over full control of TNA as they feel Dixie is/was meddling too much in the wrestling aspect and/or Immortal was just greedy and wants everything. Now Dixie signed over full control of TNA on before the glory but as long as the legality of that is still in dispute neither side can exercise any of the "extra" power that comes with it. So Immortal have robbed Dixie of some power but have not gained that same power as of yet.

I know this is in very brief and I haven't followed the latest episodes but this is as far as I can surmise it. Picking apart Russo's brain it's an experience you want to forget lolz. (although he does get some unfair flack as BFG, Turning Point, Final Res 2009 was him on his own booking for the first time and was good.)

[Stennick]

Atleast it makes sense but in my opinion TNA has had WAY too many "director of authorties" dating back to Rhodes and Larry Z and whoever else all the way up to JJ, Foley, Hogan, Eric....it just gets to be a bit much and makes the position worthless.

Atleast you were able to give me answers though and you laid it out in a nice way. Kudos Double H

[Wrestling Century]

In you guys' opinion, what is the best match TNA has ever had? I think that the best match would have to be Samoa Joe vs. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels at Unbreakable.

[TakerNGN74]

In you guys' opinion, what is the best match TNA has ever had? I think that the best match would have to be Samoa Joe vs. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels at Unbreakable.

I would have to agree with this, the match was amazing and was the runner up for match of the year in 2005 (with HBK vs. Kurt Angle from WM21 Winning) Another good match I have never seen but I heard it was really good was the cage match between Elix Skipper and Christopher Daniels vs. AMW

[Slagaholic]

Joe v Styles v Daniels was great and is pretty much without a doubt the best match (and series of matches) TNA has ever had. But my personal favorite match in TNA was Anderson v Angle at Lockdown. Great blow off to a great feud. Although I could live without ever seeing Angle try another moonsault from atop a steel cage.

[Wrestling Century]

I would have to agree with this, the match was amazing and was the runner up for match of the year in 2005 (with HBK vs. Kurt Angle from WM21 Winning) Another good match I have never seen but I heard it was really good was the cage match between Elix Skipper and Christopher Daniels vs. AMW

The Triple X vs. AMW steel cage match that you are referring to is indeed an awesome match. It is full of good psychology and high flying aerial moves!

[sheepy]

I would have to agree with this, the match was amazing and was the runner up for match of the year in 2005 (with HBK vs. Kurt Angle from WM21 Winning) Another good match I have never seen but I heard it was really good was the cage match between Elix Skipper and Christopher Daniels vs. AMW

Youtube the Triple X vs. AMW match now! One of the best tag matches you'll see including one absolutely ridiculous spot that you'll rewatch a good 5/10 times!

AMW > Beer Money

[Hyde Hill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYhojbmK6fw&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SL

Playlist with some of the best matches. TNA Wrestling still has a lot of them on the web. There is also a season 2 I think.

[alden]

the "spot" that people are talking about was just crazy. Especialy with that fact that the guy only made a few hundred bucks for that match lol. It was crazy and super awesome. trpile x vs amw was a fantastic feud. It shows what a great worker james storm is.

[Wrestling Century]

It shows what a great worker james storm is.

I disagree. It shows how great all four of those workers are.

[Jaysin]

I disagree. It shows how great all four of those workers are.

Every time I go back and watch AMW stuff it makes me miss Chris Harris more.

[Wrestling Century]

Every time I go back and watch AMW stuff it makes me miss Chris Harris more.

I honestly don't know why TNA ever released him. Then again, I also don't know why they released other awesome talents like Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams and Elix Skipper.

[Huntman]

I honestly don't know why TNA ever released him. Then again, I also don't know why they released other awesome talents like Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams and Elix Skipper.

Harris was released for one reason. So the world could see the magic of...Braden Walker!

[SaySo]

Harris was released for one reason. So the world could see the magic of...Braden Walker!

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/kaneoww/smallbwdvd.jpg

Click here to see the DVD trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyFABQX62A).

[TakerNGN74]

So I just finished watching the cage match between AMW and Triple X (Daniels and Skipper) and after seeing it for the first time I can honestly say that match was amazing. Might be up there with Joe vs. Styles vs. Daniels for me.

[Jaysin]

So I just finished watching the cage match between AMW and Triple X (Daniels and Skipper) and after seeing it for the first time I can honestly say that match was amazing. Might be up there with Joe vs. Styles vs. Daniels for me.

Its definitely up there for me.

[20LEgend]

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/kaneoww/smallbwdvd.jpg

Click here to see the DVD trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyFABQX62A).

The trailer is funny

[Johnny Fenoli]

Dixie Carter direct messaged me yesterday on Twitter... We're gettin' pretty close, I should be taking over for the entire booking team soon.

Here's the exchange:

Dixie: Hulk & I filmed this video for Ole Miss leading the Hotty Toddy cheer. It kicked tonight's game off in the stadium http://tiny.cc/z2ory

My Reply: what the???? You can't go in and outta kayfabe Dixie, it gets confusing......

Dixie's direct message to me: Filmed before the season.



So, you see.... I'm going to move to Florida soon... I'll take a couple of you with me, if you're nice.

[djthefunkchris]

Dixie Carter direct messaged me yesterday on Twitter... We're gettin' pretty close, I should be taking over for the entire booking team soon.

Here's the exchange:

Dixie: Hulk & I filmed this video for Ole Miss leading the Hotty Toddy cheer. It kicked tonight's game off in the stadium http://tiny.cc/z2ory

My Reply: what the???? You can't go in and outta kayfabe Dixie, it gets confusing......

Dixie's direct message to me: Filmed before the season.



So, you see.... I'm going to move to Florida soon... I'll take a couple of you with me, if you're nice.

From Dixie's Twitter:

"We filmed the video before the season. My alma mater is Ole Miss so I was very proud to get to do this. Tough season, but I love my Rebs!!"
:rolleyes:

[Johnny Fenoli]

:rolleyes:

she posted that, AFTER she DMed me........ keep it up... and you wont have spot on my booking team...........

[Astil]

she posted that, AFTER she DMed me........ keep it up... and you wont have spot on my booking team...........

Did I ever tell you how handsome you are?

[TheKenwyne]

Did I ever tell you how handsome you are?

He is quite devlishly so, isn't he? :p

[Genadi]

He is quite devlishly so, isn't he? :p

No

I have a place on this booking team secured. Fenoli doesn't read fine print and I have a clause included in our modding contract written up in 2007 that if ever one of us rise to power in a "Cult" sized promotion or larger the other has a job with creative control included.

[Johnny Fenoli]

There's 3 slots... Chris?... care to check that attitude and become the 4th member of my Four Horsemen of booking teams?

[angeldelayette]

Just have to say that I enjoyed the wardrobe malfunction by Mickie James. :D

[PoisonedSuperman]

How many times have seen Brother Ray and Brother Devon go solo and neither of them do anything? Well Bautista was debuted by Devon wasn't he? I guess they did one thing.

[Basmat01]

How many times have seen Brother Ray and Brother Devon go solo and neither of them do anything? Well Bautista was debuted by Devon wasn't he? I guess they did one thing.

Bubba went solo but then started tagging with Spike Dudley shortly after lol and well D-Von became a priest

[Stennick]

How many times have seen Brother Ray and Brother Devon go solo and neither of them do anything? Well Bautista was debuted by Devon wasn't he? I guess they did one thing.

Bubba had a good singles run on RAW briefly atleast. He was main eventing RAWS against Triple H.

In fact right after that first draft was when Bradshaw first started getting a singles push (not as JBL mind you) and Bubba was getting a push. That first draft was a ton of fun.

[Slagaholic]

I gotta admit the Regulation Jersey Fist Pump Challenge was the best segment Robbie E and Cookie have had in TNA.

[Hitman23]

Just have to say that I enjoyed the wardrobe malfunction by Mickie James. :D

This

I enjoyed this show alot TNA has been good the last two weeks lets hope the PPV is as goo it has a good looking card imo

[stratusfaction]

This whole Angelina Love/Winter storyline is just killing me! What the hell is going on between these two? TNA actually has me glued to my seat with this and the whole Tara/Mickie James brawling everywhere.

[juggaloninjalee]

Bubba and DVon went their own ways 1 time before. Bubba was still a stuttering fool asking for tables in singles matches while DVon was a priest. It was terrible for both guys but I didnt mind DVon as a priest too much.

DVon could have an alright singles career I think. He is a big guy and isnt bad in the ring. Not good but not bad either.

[Basmat01]

Bubba and DVon went their own ways 1 time before. Bubba was still a stuttering fool asking for tables in singles matches while DVon was a priest. It was terrible for both guys but I didnt mind DVon as a priest too much.

DVon could have an alright singles career I think. He is a big guy and isnt bad in the ring. Not good but not bad either.

Bubba wasnt a stuttering fool then

[juggaloninjalee]

Bubba wasnt a stuttering fool then

I thought that was still his character when he went on his own... I do remember him saying get the tables and nobody was there to get them.

[Basmat01]

I thought that was still his character when he went on his own... I do remember him saying get the tables and nobody was there to get them.

yer He pretty much went from Tagging with D-Von to tagging with Spike. They were apart of TLC4

[Hyde Hill]

They have had some mini splits in TNA before as well. But this is the first full on one in TNA I can recall.

[djthefunkchris]

There's 3 slots... Chris?... care to check that attitude and become the 4th member of my Four Horsemen of booking teams?

Can we get Sting back, because my plan always involved him in a higher calling type of roll. He don't have to be around all year, just during the biggest PPV mainly, and a few months before, and a month after it.

[XxFutureLegend112xX]

Samoa Joe's contract with TNA Wrestling has expired, according to multiple sources.

The word going around the locker room is that the former TNA World Heavyweight Champion will work tonight's Final Resolution pay-per-view and this week's iMPACT! while both sides negotiate terms of a new deal.

He has been with the company since 2005.

Reported By Ryan Clark

Source: Pwinsider.com ( http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Samoa_Joes_Contract_With_TNA_Expires.php )

[20LEgend]

He should leave, just for sheer awesomeness of a return to ROH

Would WWE want him? (it seems he is going to resign)

[Stennick]

How did they let this guys contract expire? Seriously I have little faith in the way TNA handles business.

They let Nash's contract run out only to try and renegotiate same with Sting (well it does in two weeks), same with Eric Young and so many others.

I get not wanting to just throw money at them but why wouldn't you start negotiations three months out? Seems silly to let it expire and then hope and pray that the WWE doesn't just give him as sweetheart deal taking a guy that you guys have spent five years gushing over as a "star in the making" or whatever he is supposed to be.

If I was Joe I'd go back to ROH, it'd make ROH more money, and he might make more money as well. I'm sure he'll resign but I'd be excited if he didn't especially since I think he's overrated and someone else could easily be pushed in his place just as effectively.

[PoisonedSuperman]

He probably won't be winning then...

[jwt13]

Shark Boy!!!

[Hyde Hill]

He probably won't be winning then...

Don't know if that was meant to be ironic but TNA has the odd, and imho bad, habit of letting people win on their way out.

[jwt13]

Don't know if that was meant to be ironic but TNA has the odd, and imho bad, habit of letting people win on their way out.

beating Jeff Jarrett is never bad.

I'm hopeing for a Robbie E Shark Boy feud

[PoisonedSuperman]

Watch how you talk about the king of mma slapnuts!

[Slagaholic]

Williams vs AJ was really really good. Loved the finish. Best match on the show yet.

[Slagaholic]

Jesus MCMG vs GenMe invented some new spots for TLC matches that I guarantee will be stolen by many future TLC matches.

[Slagaholic]

TNA's production has been a real fail tonight. Not quite epic but inexcusable mistakes have been made.

[Slagaholic]

I don't care what anyone says. MMA Jarrett rules.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

How long has JJ been doing the shoot fighter gimmick?

Seems like they'd want to steer away from that stuff, no?

[Slagaholic]

Why steer away from it? Not like they have to protect kayfabe or anything.

[Slagaholic]

Jarrett-Joe = Meeeeeehhhh

But believe it or not it's not Jarrett's fault. It's the booking.

[sabataged]

So Joe's contract is up. Whats the chances of him actually going to WWE? A year ago I would say no chance in hell. But with Punk having some pull in WWE. I think now is his best shot

[Slagaholic]

Eh I don't think so. WWE would put him on NXT and he would look as silly as Kaval and Daniel Bryan have. He isn't as skilled as either of them and I wouldn't count on him lasting very long in WWE.

2006 Samoa Joe? Would maybe last a while in WWE. But he's put on a good 30 lbs since then if not more.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Jarrett-Joe = Meeeeeehhhh

But believe it or not it's not Jarrett's fault. It's the booking.

TNA with bad booking? :confused:

[Slagaholic]

Wow this is the hottest I've heard a crowd for a TNA PPV Main Event in ages.

[ampulator]

Eh I don't think so. WWE would put him on NXT and he would look as silly as Kaval and Daniel Bryan have. He isn't as skilled as either of them and I wouldn't count on him lasting very long in WWE.

2006 Samoa Joe? Would maybe last a while in WWE. But he's put on a good 30 lbs since then if not more.
Wouldn't that make him MORE likely to be hired by the WWE, rather than less?

[Slagaholic]

TNA with bad booking? :confused:

Harde har har. Never heard that one before!

[Slagaholic]

Ehhhh.... Turning Point was better.

[Johnny Fenoli]

That PPV was horrible.

[Slagaholic]

I can't help but feel like 1/2 of the finishes were changed right before the matches started or during the matches. Even Russo wouldn't have booked that many ****ty finishes ahead of time.

The best match was AJ vs Williams and that was also the only match that had a good finish.

I'm growing tired of sports entertainment as a whole. TNA would be so much better off if they got rid of all the ****ing overbooked finishes. Just let the guy you want to win pin their opponent 1-2-3. For the love of Christ...

Part of what will allow pro wrestling to get hot again is the abolishment of dusty finishes.

[ampulator]

I can't help but feel like 1/2 of the finishes were changed right before the matches started or during the matches. Even Russo wouldn't have booked that many ****ty finishes ahead of time.

The best match was AJ vs Williams and that was also the only match that had a good finish.

I'm growing tired of sports entertainment as a whole. TNA would be so much better off if they got rid of all the ****ing overbooked finishes. Just let the guy you want to win pin their opponent 1-2-3. For the love of Christ...

Part of what will allow pro wrestling to get hot again is the abolishment of dusty finishes.
The problem isn't dusty finishes... it's overusing them. Too much of it.

[Slagaholic]

Overusing them and having them as the finish to the main event of 3 straight PPVs. I don't remember the finish of the August PPV as I'm drunk but I wouldn't be shocked if that was a dusty finish as well.

Part of why I don't like Russo/Bischoff is because they think that the finish doesn't matter. It does matter. There were dirty finishes to what, 4 of the 9 matches tonight? That's too much!

[Johnny Fenoli]

TNA just seems to be getting worse... :(

All but two matches where gimmicked in some way. NO DQ, Special Refs, Shark Cage, etc etc etc...

There was no reason to watch this PPV, never the less pay for it.

I'm starting to get really frustrated...

[Slagaholic]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. TNA needs to get rid of 8 of their PPVs as they're useless. Go with 4 PPVs and book to them and you'll see TV ratings go up moderately and PPV buy rates go up significantly.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. TNA needs to get rid of 8 of their PPVs as they're useless. Go with 4 PPVs and book to them and you'll see TV ratings go up moderately and PPV buy rates go up significantly.

That and actually write out storylines... Seems to me that they're just throwing together some Unchained 2 Competitor storylines every month or so... No forward thinking.

[ampulator]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. TNA needs to get rid of 8 of their PPVs as they're useless. Go with 4 PPVs and book to them and you'll see TV ratings go up moderately and PPV buy rates go up significantly.
Normally, this would be a bad business move, but considering they make crock on their PPV's, this is a great idea.

But seriously, does anyone really believe TNA is changing for the better overall? They know what they have to do. Or at least, they should. *sigh*

[crownsy]

Finsh to the main event was almost changed because Jeff hardy was "hammered" according to pwtorch, but TNA stayed with hardy as champ to keep immortal storyline rolling. No word on if any disciplinary actions will be forth coming for hardy for his unprofessional behavior

What a moron

[Hitman23]

Normally, this would be a bad business move, but considering they make crock on their PPV's, this is a great idea.

But seriously, does anyone really believe TNA is changing for the better overall? They know what they have to do. Or at least, they should. *sigh*

Honestly I think they have improved they push young talent AJ ,Kaz, Beer Money, MCMG, Young Bucks, Lethal,Robbie E, Pope, Abyss, Morgan they get the majority of TV time along with Hardy,Jarrett, and Flair. Fortune has gotten more time than Immortals Hogan and Bischoff which is good. The last three weeks have been the best since BFG, People complain about old talent. The only old talent wrestling in a primary role right now is Angle and Jarrett with Nash and Sting out. Even Hogan and Bischoff have not been used enough the last month. The run in booking is a little overboard but they improved with that this PPV, and the finish was ok to me mainly because I was fearing a Anderson turn but it sets up a good thee way feud when Anderson is better and furthers the Hardy/Morgan feud. Maybe its me but I like the way their going.

[ampulator]

Honestly I think they have improved they push young talent AJ,Kaz,Beer Money,MCMG,Young Bucks,Lethal,Robbie E,Pope,Abyss,Morgan they get the majority of TV time along with Hardy,Jarrett, and Flair. Fortune has gotten more time than Immortals Hogan and Bischoff which is good. The last three weeks have been the best since BFG. People complain about old talent. The only old talent wrestling in a primary role right now is Angle and Jarrett with Nash and Sting out. Even Hogan and Bischoff have not been used enough the last month. The run in booking is a little overboard but they improved with that this PPV, and the finish was ok to me mainly because I was fearing a Anderson turn but it sets up a good thee way feud when Anderson is better and furthers the Hardy/Morgan feud. Maybe its me but I like the way their going.
...what? I don't understand what you wrote.

[Hitman23]

...what? I don't understand what you wrote.

Please explain how

[Stennick]

Honestly I think they have improved they push young talent AJ ,Kaz, Beer Money, MCMG, Young Bucks, Lethal,Robbie E, Pope, Abyss, Morgan they get the majority of TV time along with Hardy,Jarrett, and Flair. Fortune has gotten more time than Immortals Hogan and Bischoff which is good. The last three weeks have been the best since BFG, People complain about old talent. The only old talent wrestling in a primary role right now is Angle and Jarrett with Nash and Sting out. Even Hogan and Bischoff have not been used enough the last month.

Please point to me where anyone has complained in this thread about the "old" people in primary roles. Nobody has made mention of this since before BFG so I think you're about three months behind the curve on that one.

The run in booking is a little overboard but they improved with that this PPV, and the finish was ok to me mainly because I was fearing a Anderson turn but it sets up a good thee way feud when Anderson is better and furthers the Hardy/Morgan feud. Maybe its me but I like the way their going.

I didn't watch it but didn't someone on here say 4 of the 8 matches had some sort of dusty finish? You can't seriously tell me that its ok for HALF of the matches on your pay per view to have dusty finishes when the entire point of a pay per view is to get RESOLUTION to atleast SOME matters.

Didn't someone else say there hasn't been a clean pay per view finish since August? You can't seriously tell me that every pay per view main event should also end in a pay per view.

Just because its sets something up doesn't make it good. Be entertained if you would like but your argument that "well it entertains me even if I didn't like it that much" is you basically saying "guys I know it sucks but I'm watching it anyway and I'll be damned if I'm going to say something I'm wasting my time on sucks".

[djthefunkchris]

They've been doing that dusty finish thing for so long it's almost a given, especially on Impact. To me, the amount on the PPV would be better off on TV, and maybe only one or two of the PPV match's should end that way... Meaning the one's that the storyline isn't going to end anytime soon with (and that's how you build).

The winner matter's because you can't move on, if there is no winner. That's one of the problems with the booking IMO, is that no matter who "looks good", it seems they will never really "be good". It's keeping the whole roster down on an even level. No one's ever going to look good, if no one ever looks that bad.

The one thing you need to keep going, has nothing to do with kafabe, but the whole reason your telling the story... The "Reward" for hard work, which is the title. IF your not going to move character's up or down the card, your card stagnates... No one care's who has the title because the title hasn't been used correctly.

Hogan or Bischoff should come down and make it clear that no one is to interfere with said match, and conclude a winner and a loser for the match. IF they never do this, then nothing will ever get resolved, and the stories will get lost in the shuffle as they move on to new one's, never ending the old ones.

[The Stallion]

So I did not watch the PPV but various reports are saying that Hardy showed up "in no condition to wrestle". The report also states that TNA toyed with the idea of doing an injury angle and stripping him of the Title. So for those of you who watched the PPV tell me this, how was Hardy in the ring. If he did show up messed up (I'm not sure if that meant High or Drunk), then TNA has a responsibility to there employees and fans to strip Hardy of the Title. If they do not do something to punish Hardy then that shows there roster that they can get away with anything. As TNA World Champion Hardy has to carry the image of this company on his shoulders. By showing up "messed up" he shows he is not only unprofessional, but he is not to be trusted to carry the company into the future. I applaud TNA for giving the fans what they payed for by delivering on the Hardy - Morgan match, however if Hardy was really that messed up, he could have hurt Morgan in that match. Its now time for TNA to punish Hardy for what he has done. He should be stripped of the Title at the least, and possibly even fired.

[pate]

So I did not watch the PPV but various reports are saying that Hardy showed up "in no condition to wrestle". The report also states that TNA toyed with the idea of doing an injury angle and stripping him of the Title. So for those of you who watched the PPV tell me this, how was Hardy in the ring. If he did show up messed up (I'm not sure if that meant High or Drunk), then TNA has a responsibility to there employees and fans to strip Hardy of the Title. If they do not do something to punish Hardy then that shows there roster that they can get away with anything. As TNA World Champion Hardy has to carry the image of this company on his shoulders. By showing up "messed up" he shows he is not only unprofessional, but he is not to be trusted to carry the company into the future. I applaud TNA for giving the fans what they payed for by delivering on the Hardy - Morgan match, however if Hardy was really that messed up, he could have hurt Morgan in that match. Its now time for TNA to punish Hardy for what he has done. He should be stripped of the Title at the least, and possibly even fired.



THE COMPLETE STORY ON THE JEFF HARDY ISSUES BEFORE FINAL RESOLUTION, ALTERNATIVE PLANS, WHY HE WAS ALLOWED TO WRESTLE AND MORE
By Mike Johnson on 2010-12-06 01:24:53
As mentioned prior to the TNA Final Resolution PPV, there were forces within the company pushing for TNA champion Jeff Hardy to be sent home from the company and to be stripped of the TNA championship after concern was voiced over Jeff Hardy's condition upon arrival at the PPV.

After Hardy met with TNA officials, the decision was made to let Hardy work the show. In speaking to multiple sources after the show, I was told that Hardy claimed his condition was not due to any personal issues but exhaustion from his recent TNA schedule.

From what we have been able to piece together, Hardy flew from the Middle East where he had worked the trio of TNA house shows in the U.A.E. this past Wednesday (a 20 hour flight). After landing in Atlanta, Hardy then flew on to North Carolina. I was told Hardy was home just one day (and, as one wrestler pointed out to me, that one day was likely dominated by Hardy's newborn baby) before flying to Michigan to make a personal appearance at a Monster Truck event in Detroit with Jesse Neal and Shannon Moore yesterday.

Someone who was in attendance at the event last night noted that Hardy looked exhausted and spoke of how hard his schedule was the last few weeks, as he had been on the road since the day after Thanksgiving. The same person also told me that Hardy was spotted returning to his room fairly early last night. Hardy then flew from Michigan to Orlando earlier Sunday to the TNA PPV.

When the decision was made to change plans, word spread like wildfire that Hardy was being sent home due to his condition. However, once Hardy explained his position, management backed off of alternative plans and agreed to let him work the show. One person I spoke to just as the PPV kicked off remarked, "False alarm."

Had Hardy been sent home, the plan would have been for Eric Bischoff to announce Hardy was injured on the Middle East tour. The match that would have replaced the main event would have been Matt Morgan vs. Ken Anderson vs. Jeff Jarrett. Since Samoa Joe's contract had expired, he would have been held off the PPV. There's no word on who would have ended up with the championship, but my gut is that Matt Morgan would have ended up with the belt.

As I write this, Hardy is scheduled for all of this week's planned Impact tapings.

[Basmat01]

In regard to the Middle East Tour

Gerwick.net

We previously reported on the dismal attendance numbers generated by TNA’s recent tour of Abu Dhabi. The initial numbers were less than 400 people per show, and the follow up is that all three house shows failed to attract 100 fans paid each night. The actual numbers are closer to 70 fans paid for each of their three houses in the United Arab Emirates.

Gerweck.net has learned that TNA talent was very upset when it was learned that a boxing ring was set up instead of a wrestling ring. Compounding the problem, talent on the tour was not happy with their pay offs to boot.

Each of the shows were described as extremely unorganized. The host cities were cordial to the talent, but the shows themselves were said to be disastrous.

On a side note, these shows were not official TNA events, and were subleased to private promoters in India

[Hyde Hill]

Glad that TNA was apparently paid up front for the tour. Sounds a lot like Foley's African adventures hehe.

[Hashasheen]

In regard to the Middle East Tour

... Why the **** would you wrestle in Abu Dhabi? Place is a ****-hole, even for indi promoters in the area. Jordan's where its at. :p

[Basmat01]

... Why the **** would you wrestle in Abu Dhabi? Place is a ****-hole, even for indi promoters in the area. Jordan's where its at. :p

I know considering they cancelled the Australian tour that was suppose to happen earlier this year

[Basmat01]

Sorry for the double post........


Gerwick.net

The TNA Knockouts Tag Team Titles were vacated at tonight’s tapings in Orlando. A tournament will be held starting on Thursday’s iMPACT! with The Beautiful People vs Sarita & Daffney. The last champions were Hamada and Taylor Wilde and the reason for the titles being vacated is not known at this time

and then we find out why....

PWInsider.com is reporting that Hamada has been released from her TNA contract.

[juggaloninjalee]

Ok so the Knockout Tag Titles were vacated cuz they fired someone. Why not just get rid of the titles since they are USELESS!

[Hitman23]

So Mickie James V. Tara in a steel Cage will headline Impact this week

[pate]

PWInsider.com is reporting that Hamada has been released from her TNA contract.

FAIL!

[cappyboy]

Well, that has been the story of their year. They've been failing ever since Hogan and Bischoff took over.

[TracyBrooksFan]

There were a lot of people backstage putting over Tara and Mickie James for working hurt this week, especially last night as Tara gutted through a ligament tear in her elbow and James tweaked her knee on Monday.

Credit - Pwinsider.com

[Stennick]

So let me ask this question to those of you who have been faithful in watching TNA.

Were they in a better position last December than they are this December?

Hogan/Bischoff have been there for one year.

Have the ratings improved from this time last year? Is the roster as interesting and deep as it was last year? Do you enjoy the shows as much this year as you did last year?

[20LEgend]

So let me ask this question to those of you who have been faithful in watching TNA.

Were they in a better position last December than they are this December?

Hogan/Bischoff have been there for one year.

Have the ratings improved from this time last year? Is the roster as interesting and deep as it was last year? Do you enjoy the shows as much this year as you did last year?

I wouldn't say I've been faithful watching but I think the shows are probably at a similar level but more is expected, and show it should. So to me I see them as worse than they were but I have a small feeling they're similar...

[Goes to search for 2009's Final Resolution.]

So my answer is I don't know :p or at least a 'I'll get back to you'

[Hyde Hill]

Thinking off doing a full pro and cons review for the year. Not sure about it because I can't really comment on the last two months.

[stratusfaction]

According to sources within TNA Wrestling, Taylor Wilde is through with the company. However, officials are open to bringing her back in the future.
credit www.rajahwwf.com


Hamada and now Taylor Wilde. Geez, as soon as the Knockout's division gets better we lose really good ones. Not surprised by Hamada, she isn't used very much. She really never stood a chance I guess. I'm sad to see Taylor Wilde go. I've always been a fan :(

[The Stallion]

So TNA brings in Mickie James to give the knockouts division more credibility and exposure (which they had no problem with before Hogan & Bischof showed up). They even have a knockouts match headline Impact which has not been done since the days of Awesome Kong and Gail Kim. However they now release two of the more credible knockouts in Taylor Wilde and Hamada. Both of which were easy on the eyes ( if thats whaf TNA wants in there knockouts now) and can actually wrestle a good match. Those two were part of the core of the knockouts division. They keep depleting the division and soon its just going to be Mickie James, Tara and maybe Madison Rayne left. So now whats the point of a knockouts tag team title when you barely have enough to sustain a singles division. I just dont get it. It just seems like more cost cutting measures so they can afford Hogan.

[pate]

According to non-spoiler previews of tonight, Daffney is back. Finally something I can get behind.

[lazorbeak]

They should've turned Taylor heel and made her into Jeff Hardy's #1 fan in reference to a 2 year old appearance in a magazine for another company that almost no one would get. The only reason I can think of that this didn't happen is that is a 2 year old reference no one cares about, not a 10-15 year old reference no one cares about.

[Slagaholic]

Gotta admit I LOL'd at Bubba Ray tagging with a random black dude

[TracyBrooksFan]

May be the only one but that Cage match was great credit to both ladies.

[pate]

The cage match was cool. I did not expect the finish.

[juggaloninjalee]

What happened on Impact last night? I quit watching when Bischoff made the Morgan Anderson match.

[TracyBrooksFan]

What happened on Impact last night? I quit watching when Bischoff made the Morgan Anderson match.

Not much except to me and many others Mickie and Tara Cage match main event stole the show sepcailly the finish of the match.

[PeterHilton]

Not much except to me and many others Mickie and Tara Cage match main event stole the show sepcailly the finish of the match.

:rolleyes:

Yeah we all know how dedicated those millions and millions of hardcore women's wrestling fans can be...Impact will probably get a 5.0 rating easily...

[Hyde Hill]

Ah come on Peter he wasn't arguing that. Many others is not necessarily millions and millions or even the majority. It more implies a large minority if anything.

[TracyBrooksFan]

:rolleyes:

Yeah we all know how dedicated those millions and millions of hardcore women's wrestling fans can be...Impact will probably get a 5.0 rating easily...

again attacking a comment i made? Also never said their rating will be high but i liked the match and so did others mostly in the business and fans but key word is MOST not everyone.

[PeterHilton]

Ah come on Peter he wasn't arguing that. Many others is not necessarily millions and millions or even the majority. It more implies a large minority if anything.

Yeah but it's also not fair to say that "not much" happened besides the Tara/Mickie match.

Because ...let's face it...really the only time TBF posts is to talk about the Knockouts. So it wouldn't have mattered what happened on the show, he would've focused on the Mickie/Tara deal.

Here's the recap:

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/165647

[PeterHilton]

again attacking a comment i made? Also never said their rating will be high but i liked the match and so did others mostly in the business and fans but key word is MOST not everyone.

"others mostly in the business and fans" ???

What does that even mean????

there was a blurb in the rag-sheets about Mickie and Tara getting some credit for working hurt. That's it.

They worked a decent little match. It was apparently the best match on an iMpact where every other match went less than 3 minutes, so technically it stole the show.

But it wasn't the only thing on Impact.

[TheKenwyne]

And Mickie did her knee! Why wasn't the PPV/Impact match stips switched? Surely the steel cage is more PPV worthy than the singles match they ran on it, and vice versa.

[TracyBrooksFan]

"others mostly in the business and fans" ???

What does that even mean????

there was a blurb in the rag-sheets about Mickie and Tara getting some credit for working hurt. That's it.

They worked a decent little match. It was apparently the best match on an iMpact where every other match went less than 3 minutes, so technically it stole the show.

But it wasn't the only thing on Impact.

No they are getting praised for the match also. Mister know it all.

Yes I do talk about the knockouts as i liek them but i like others in TNA also but last night did nothing for me but the main event and Morgan/Anderson segment.

But you do this all the time i reply is attack my comments which is why i dont comment much.

[TracyBrooksFan]

And Mickie did her knee! Why wasn't the PPV/Impact match stips switched? Surely the steel cage is more PPV worthy than the singles match they ran on it, and vice versa.

Guess because they wanted Madison to help Tara at PPV and then finish off the feud with the cage.

[Hashasheen]

It was a good episode of Impact. The Knockouts stole the show, which is both good and bad, and there were a few annoying moments here and there (Tara's singing for one), but it was a decent couple of wrestling hours.

Question to all here: I'm trying to write up a list of who's been hired on by TNA over the course of 2010, and I was hoping you lot could help out. So far I've got:

Shannon Moore
Jeff Hardy
Mr. Anderson
Mickie James
Orlando Jordan
Winter
The Brian Kendrick
Tommy Dreamer
RVD
Sabu
Val Venis
Scott Hall
Syxx
Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair
Robbie E.
Cookie

Help?

[Hyde Hill]

BTW anyone know any more about new TNA signing Tom Mercer?

[Hyde Hill]

It was a good episode of Impact. The Knockouts stole the show, which is both good and bad, and there were a few annoying moments here and there (Tara's singing for one), but it was a decent couple of wrestling hours.

Question to all here: I'm trying to write up a list of who's been hired on by TNA over the course of 2010, and I was hoping you lot could help out. So far I've got:

Shannon Moore
Jeff Hardy
Mr. Anderson
Mickie James
Orlando Jordan
Winter
The Brian Kendrick
Tommy Dreamer
RVD
Sabu
Val Venis
Scott Hall
Syxx
Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair
Robbie E.
Cookie

Help?

Nastie Boys
Bubba The Love Sponge
Bischoff
Roxxi ( Kinda as was rehired pre Bisch/hogan then fired then rehired then fired again.)
Chelsea
Miss Tessmacher
Jimmy Hart
Okada ( Don't know when his loan started.) (Checked it and it was Jan 2010 so he counts.)
Rosie Lottalove
Some new refs including Brian Hebner and Jackson James aka Bischoff Jr.



Still to debut:

El Zorro
Tom Mercer
Reid Flair

And I think you are referring to on screen and more then one appearance?

[Hashasheen]

Nastie Boys
Bubba The Love Sponge
Bischoff
Roxxi ( Kinda as was rehired pre Bisch/hogan then fired then rehired then fired again.)
Chelsea
Miss Tessmacher
Jimmy Hart
Okada ( Don't know when his loan started.) (Checked it and it was Jan 2010 so he counts.)
Rosie Lottalove
Some new refs including Brian Hebner and Jackson James aka Bischoff Jr.


Still to debut:

El Zorro
Tom Mercer
Reid Flair Thanks.:)


And I think you are referring to on screen and more then one appearance? Basically.

[Bigpapa42]

I actually ended up watching about the first half of Impact last night. First time in two months. I'd like to think I actually watched with an open mind, rather than expecting to be disappointed. Either way, I was disappointed. It still seemed like much of the same crap as before. Unless the second half was miraculously far better than the first half, it seemed liked I'm not missing much by not watching and just checking results every so often.

[Hashasheen]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/539525-choosing-sides-ohio-based-aiw-takes-the-fight-to-tna

TNA in a war ... with an Ohio indy fed? :eek:


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

[Bigpapa42]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/539525-choosing-sides-ohio-based-aiw-takes-the-fight-to-tna

TNA in a war ... with an Ohio indy fed? :eek:


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Unlike their "war" with the WWE, this would at least be a battle that TNA could win. Possibly...