The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[cappyboy]

As I said earlier, I think a re-brand could be a good thing for TNA, but only if they do it properly. Like, by making it obvious if they are rebranding the entire company or not :p

I don't think it's any secret what my feelings on this subject are either. If they really are rebranding and they do it right, then bravura for TNA or Impact Wrestling (good name BTW) or whatever they are calling themselves now. The TNA name was only going to take them so far. Adopting a new brand that more concretely says wrestling can only help them with the uninitiated as it will create less confusion about what their product is intended to be.

[BHK1978]

I was just reading spoilers for the Impact that taped yesterday and let me say that, that show is probably going to be pretty bad. I will not post the spoilers on here but yeah it looks like I might be not watching that episode when it airs.

[Fantabulous]

Wrestling really does matter now in TNA.

[UkWrestleFan]

I was just reading spoilers for the Impact that taped yesterday and let me say that, that show is probably going to be pretty bad. I will not post the spoilers on here but yeah it looks like I might be not watching that episode when it airs.

I really does sound bad...

[sebsplex]

I was just reading spoilers for the Impact that taped yesterday and let me say that, that show is probably going to be pretty bad. I will not post the spoilers on here but yeah it looks like I might be not watching that episode when it airs.

It's always hard to judge a show from a few taping spoilers and I'll probably still watch it regardless, but yeah... new show, new facepalms.

Slight spoiler below...

Perhaps Bischoff is getting to the 'rebuilding of the X-Division' he spoke of so passionately in an interview a while ago? :p

And apparently Sangriento is Amazing Red... not sure why.

[Bigpapa42]

Rebrand, refocus, rewhatever, but the spoilers sure make it look like the same old TNA. Its really disappointing - if they could just do what they talk about doing, I'd probably start watching again regularly. But with the endless crap (and yes, I realize some people enjoy), I just can't do it.

[sebsplex]

Here's a glance at the new show set-up for anyone interested...

http://www.tnastars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/impact-wrestling-tnastarsdotcom.jpg

It's not exactly a radical overhaul, but I like it.

[Fantabulous]

You can't polish a turd.

[Eisen-verse]

I just read something on Wrestlezone.com that best explains the gaping hole that lies between TNA & the WWE...

The 5/16 edition of Tough Enough did a 1.6 rating with 2,442,000 viewers. Last weeks edition of Tough Enough also did a 1.6 rating.

The replay of Tough Enough that aired after Raw did a 1.14 rating with 1,641,000 viewers which is nearly the same as last week.

I love TNA but it's pretty sad when the WWE's reality show ends up beating your flagship program...

TNA pulled around a 1.26 rating.

[Hashasheen]

I just read something on Wrestlezone.com that best explains the gaping hole that lies between TNA & the WWE...

I love TNA but it's pretty sad when the WWE's reality show ends up beating your flagship program...

TNA pulled around a 1.26 rating.

Differences though. USA Network is much bigger than Spike, and Spike doesn't exactly promote TNA as much as they can. Plus you know, TNA's got plenty of problems.

[juggaloninjalee]

I feel like TNA should air commercials during WWE programs in order to let wrestling fans know there is another wrestling promotion on this other channel.

Then when people come over to see what it is TNA needs to book shows that make sense.

[Slim Jim]

Tough Enough should be higher :(

Honestly think it's the best wrestling show on TV at the moment.

[sheepy]

So, watching Sacrifice, first time I've watched TNA in a while. Is Crimson a knock off of Goldberg?

[20LEgend]

Not a knock off just another power house getting hyped as a undefeated monster IMO

[Blackman]

Tough Enough should be higher :(

Honestly think it's the best wrestling show on TV at the moment.

True at that. I freakin' love it to death. TNA is... well. It's awkward just watching it. :)

[Eisen-verse]

From what I've read on wrestlezone, It looks like TNA is continuing to make some really questionable decisions...

Highlight underneath to find out...

Abyss is the new X-Division Champion... Really?!?! God, I hope there is a REAL good reason the change was made because this makes no sense to me..

[TheLeviticalLawKid3]

Another nail in the frame of an eventual coffin, E-V.

I haven't watched a bunch of TNA since the pre-Angle days...I wasn't even around to get my heart ripped out by Hogan and Bischoff.

That spoiler is garbage if it's true. Who books this stuff? :eek:

[Eisen-verse]

Another nail in the frame of an eventual coffin, E-V.

I haven't watched a bunch of TNA since the pre-Angle days...I wasn't even around to get my heart ripped out by Hogan and Bischoff.

That spoiler is garbage if it's true. Who books this stuff? :eek:

I'm hoping, as I haven't read the spoilers all together, mostly cause I want to watch the show and see it unfold, that there is a story behind it all. I'm sure it has something to do with Bischoff and the X-Division wrestlers who spray-painted their car last week. That said, it just seems odd to go that route; unless there is a concrete story that follows.

Is it just me or is there a severe lack of basic booking 101 these days? I mean, I know that almost every angle has been done thus far, in a way, but there's nothing wrong with a basic wrestling framework for storytelling... Just adding some new twists into the fold along the way.

Meh.

Cheers.

E-V

[Bigpapa42]

Another spoiler from the same TNA tapings...

Bischoff tagged with Matt Hardy against Generation Me... and Bischoff got the pinfall

Its too bad that TNA's talk about "wrestling matters" is likely just talk. I have zero faith in them following through on that. In all fairness, they've hardly had the chance so far... but its not really different from what Hogan has been talking about since they first took over and its never proven to be true. That history combined with what has happened at the most recent tapings hardly gives one faith.

You are absolutely correct that a return to some booking fundamentals would be a great thing, E-V.

I would quite honestly just be happy if they really would focus on the wrestling. That change alone would be enough to get me watching against.

[ZMAN]

Yeah, don't see what Eric pinning someone and Abyss winning the X Title is supposed to accomplish. Neither one is going to draw a big rating, so why bother doing it? I guess it's supposed to draw big heat since Abyss isn't a typical X guy, and Eric isn't a wrestler. Thing is, this has all been done before, and it doesn't seem like it's being executed any better than the last 1000 times. It's like these guys just stick to the WWE playbook as far as booking and storylines go. Next we'll have Mike Tenay turn heel and being involved in a storyline against Taz.

[TheLeviticalLawKid3]

Gah, these spoilers that I keep reading just flat-out confuse me. I mean, who would even LIKE this stuff?

[Eisen-verse]

Gah, these spoilers that I keep reading just flat-out confuse me. I mean, who would even LIKE this stuff?

I think, if it's done in a spiteful way (Bischoff attempting to 'raise hell' by being annoyed with talent & the network) then I guess I understand the moves. If not, if it's just done without such a focus then I'm afraid it will feel really weird; phony even. I don't mind non-wrestlers winning matches... IF... There is a story attached and it's made to, eventually, put over that babyface that he pinned. I mean, I can always go for a good 'McMahon vs. Austin' vibe.

As for Abyss winning the X-Division gold... Again I think it's suitable for such a storyline IF it's used in which to strengthen the X-Division as a whole. Now, initially it looks like a terrible decision; however, it COULD shed light on the fliers as they stand up for what it is that they love. In the end, we could have one, if not more, standout people coming forward as the 'faces' of the division by gaining the title back!

[GruntMark]

Gah, these spoilers that I keep reading just flat-out confuse me. I mean, who would even LIKE this stuff?

...People who enjoyed WCW in 2000? :eek:

[Russo]

I like the new look.

[Zeel1]

"I'm sure the internet is burning over this!" Ha ha ha.

Also, Abyss out-smarting someone feels wrong, somehow...

[Russo]

"I'm sure the internet is burning over this!" Ha ha ha.

Also, Abyss out-smarting someone feels wrong, somehow...

You know it was well done imo. Kaz did good and Abyss heeled it out. This is just the start of a big X-Division revolution type storyline.

[nucleardonkey]

It's obvious now that they're building the X division back up for Destination X. I love the way they are doing it to having Bischoff destroying and insulting the entire X division until they all rise up and hopefully put the X title back on the same level as the world title. I just hope the face of the new X division is Brian Kendrick he's pure gold at anything he does.

[Zeel1]

Kendrick did look sort of like the leader of them in the earlier segment...

[Eisen-verse]

I'll eat my words; fair to admit it.

I actually enjoyed what they did tonight on Impact Wrestling. When reading the spoilers, which I should never do again as it ruins things while watching the show, I came to realize that there was reasoning behind the choices. I think A) they did a great job of highlighting the X-Division; giving them something to work toward and B) Eric Bischoff's winning scenario actually made him that much more despicable as a heel. Honestly, I think they did pretty well with both; that is IF they eventually have the X-Division rebound!

I loved the Roode/Flair scenario too... Great stuff there!

Cheers.

E-V

[Jaysin]

Look what Impact Wrestling just posted on Facebook :D

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/VenomousPrime/225212_10150189483031026_31695961025_7128403_35939 83_n.jpg

[juggaloninjalee]

Look what Impact Wrestling just posted on Facebook :D

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/VenomousPrime/225212_10150189483031026_31695961025_7128403_35939 83_n.jpg

Looks cool but doesn't mean the X-Division is going to be done the way internet fans have always wanted. They always say they are going to correct things but rarely get back on track.

[Stennick]

How many times for how many years have they been promising to "revive" this. On the bright side the next time they start up this great "X Division" or "Young Guys" push nobody has to bother posting about it. Just look up the posts about how excited we are and how they're on the right track. Just look those up, copy and paste. I suspect by Bound for Glory we'll all be copying and pasting.

[Blackman]

Well I guess we gotta change the name of this thread. :p

Srly, any kind of change is productive for TNA. It should be more about wrestling. Hopefully they can be a little more competitive with the big E.

but yeah....

"Wrestling matters and it matters so much that Abyss is going to win the X-Division Title, Eric Bischoff is going to pin the guy who was the last #1 Contender to that belt, we're going to have 100 promos/vignettes, Eric Young in his underwear, have the "Main Event" be a damn Handicap Match, and close out the show with 2 different in-ring promos. Yeah, TNA, wrestling matters, I can tell. " (wrestleview)

-> this pretty much sums it up.

[Stennick]

I tuned in to the show to check it out. I saw a ton of promos, I saw some handicap matches, I saw Eric Bischoff wrestling, I saw Abyss win the X Division title. I'm not sure what part of this was wrestling matters.

I know its all going to lead somewhere like it always does. The thing with this company is that wherever it leads for me atleast is worse than where it began.

The last time I truly enjoyed this product was exactly one year ago during Lockdown. Ken Anderson was showing he was entertaining outside of the WWE and was able to stay healthy. Pope's character was blowing up, Jay Lethal was making an argument about being the best character/story of the year.

A year later the only thing thats really relevant is that Ken Anderson is seemingly still a big time deal in TNA. Pope has been depushed and Lethal is unemployed.

I'll check back in around Bound for Glory.

[RingofHonorGuard]

TNA is a joke right now, quite honestly.

Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle are probably having the most embarrassing angle in pro wrestling history; and not because of the "controversy" of it... But because it's just a bastardized version of what Heyman created with Raven and Sandman years and years behind us. And the matches between Jeff/Angle don't even have any real hate vibes or over-the-top violence that makes you think "Wow, maybe this is real."

Abyss sucks one week, the next week he's burying the X-Division. If having a monster that gets his teeth knocked out and continues to work reward is killing a division that people strongly want to see more of... then you really have to question what these people are doing. I think Katt Williams of stand-up fame could run this company better than Carter and company.

Christopher Daniels is just randomly running around. Some weeks he's great, some weeks they just book him to suck. Either give the guy a push and see if he can cut it or let him go back to Ring of Honor full time... They're always taking half of a dump with him and they can just never quite finish the product and wipe.

Bischoff is on TV way too much, and his charisma is NOT what it used to be. He just sounds like a rich guy who pulled one over when he's out there, and to me really seems apathetic(and why shouldn't he?)

And if the rumors are true and we're going to see a Ric Flair/Sting feud as the main event on TNA PPV.... Wow, just wow... Think back to the last real match they had on the very last Nitro... Talk about tarnishing a legacy of matches. Think about how bad that's going to be 10 years later.

I loved TNA. But now I almost think it's just a company that's around to make WWE look less horrid.

[Hive]

I loved TNA. But now I almost think it's just a company that's around to make WWE look less horrid.

Sad, but true.

They book in a way I cannot find much logic in. And they rely too much on the old guys... now Sting is my all-time favourite wrestler, but he shouldn't be champion when he cannot go for more than max 10 min in a main event match. And he certainly shouldn't face off with Ric Flair (in fact, noone should these days).

[LiquidSwords]

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/5/18/2177424/a-closer-look-at-tna-president-dixie-carter

Interesting read. If this is true then TNA is screwed.

[FINisher]

The promotional poster for TNA's upcoming Destination X pay-per-view event has been released and it features an image of the six-sided ring with the tagline "Forward To The Past."

The event takes place Sunday, July 10, 2011 at the Impact! Wrestling Zone in Orlando, Florida.

'Bout time. Hopefully it's not just for one event.

[Cleric V]

Thats exciting if they bring back the octagon ring...
I was going over some older moments on dvd, and its sad when some great moments would happen in TNA but it wouldn't amount to anything later on. When you would skip ahead a couple months, it will be totally on a different path and the momentum would be lost. that always gets me.
I was watching the Cross the line vol. 3 pack (Turning Point 09, Final Resolution 09, Against the Odds 10) and to look further in the future, certain wrestlers are jumping all over the place. Thank god we got to see two events with Desmond Wolfe and Kurt Angle before sending Desmond down the card, When you look back, will you remember their feud at all?
(just one example)

[Hive]

Wow. You'd think TNA couldn't get much worse, but... *spoiler*:

Pushing Eric Young, Gunner and Crimson as main event guys? REALLY???

[eayragt]

Not one to want to defend TNA too much (having lost most of my reasons for watching them in teh last few reasons), but getting a Main Event rub does not equla being pushed as a Main Eventer.

[Eisen-verse]

Let me first preface this by saying that I like TNA....

but...

I love how their new thing is "Wrestling Matters" but yet, if you watch the videos from Impact Wrestling, on their own youtube site, each match is only 2-3 minutes in length; and typically start far into the action already.

While a small detail, it shows that, maybe, the new marketing phrase, as we would expect, is only utilize in which to hit the WWE in the side.

How about put it into practice...

Cheers.

E-V

[20LEgend]

I agree with you EV, wrestling doesn't matter but people sure beleved it, reading by some comments on the web, Hulk Hogan and Bisch are running it, when has wrestling ever atter to them :(

In other news, Mick Foley has requested his release :( Right move for him though IMO, Anonymous GM lol :D Do it WWE, it may not make sense and may e crap for continuity but I want Mick back, do it, I would watch RAW regularly if this happened :D. They did mention his book on RAW, that was the GM's idea, it must be him! Wow, I'm talking crap. Anyway...

[Bigpapa42]

The "wrestling matters" tag is just marketing bullsh!t from TNA. They have talked like this at various times since Hogan & Bischoff took over and it has yet to actually hold true. Quite honestly, if they could hold true to that, it would be enough for me to watch Impact. I could put up with all the booking issues that TNA has if they would just let their talent shine through...

[ECW 2.0]

IMO there has been more wrestling last week and this week has alot of wrestling from what ive read. On a diffrent note Crimson is fricken awesome and is the best think in TNA right now.

[Blackman]

I think the name change is just for them to stop making a fool out of themselves. "Total nonstop action" while there is little or none to be found. It was a bit comical.

Talk about comical: if you need a laugh, just check out the videos on their site, where some of their talent talk about "why wrestling matters".

[Eigan]

Although I swore off TNA this year and haven't seen any TV shows/PPVs as a result, I'm curious...isn't/wasn't iMPACT! on today? No posts?

That's kind of...odd.

[Bigpapa42]

For the first time in awhile, I watched Impact tonight. In the opening segment, Hogan talked about "wrestling matters". The first match was a Knockouts tag and Angelina was in zombie mode. Posessed, apparently. Yup, wrestling matters TNA. Same old crap.

[Eigan]

For the first time in awhile, I watched Impact tonight. In the opening segment, Hogan talked about "wrestling matters". The first match was a Knockouts tag and Angelina was in zombie mode. Posessed, apparently. Yup, wrestling matters TNA. Same old crap.

Hah. It reminds me of when I read this: 5/12 iMPACT!, Foley says wrestling matters again. (http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/tnaimpact/article_50020.shtml)

They then follow it up with an Abyss vs. Crimson vs. Samoa Joe match that results in Crimson winning in 2:29.

Yeah.

Way to reinforce what you say, TNA.

[BloodyKnuckles]

I honestly don't understand why anyone in their right mind would put Eric Bischoff in charge of their program in any way, shape, or form. I have never understood what made Bischoff so special other than two brilliant storylines (that he ended up ruining in the end btw, the nWo, and Hogan/Sting).

I try to look at the positive sides of wrestling as much as possible, but TNA has no positives at all that I can point out to you. They have horrible storylines, good workers buried in short/idiotic gimmick matches, they killed the X-Divison, and they have three guys running the show who just don't know how to put on an entertaining wrestling program in this day and age, Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo.

The WWE without a doubt has a ton of flaws today, but I would rather watch an hour long episode of Superstars than a TNA pay-per-view. I just don't understand how TNA manages to be so... bad with the talent they have.

[Hive]

I honestly don't understand why anyone in their right mind would put Eric Bischoff in charge of their program in any way, shape, or form. I have never understood what made Bischoff so special other than two brilliant storylines (that he ended up ruining in the end btw, the nWo, and Hogan/Sting).

I try to look at the positive sides of wrestling as much as possible, but TNA has no positives at all that I can point out to you. They have horrible storylines, good workers buried in short/idiotic gimmick matches, they killed the X-Divison, and they have three guys running the show who just don't know how to put on an entertaining wrestling program in this day and age, Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo.

The WWE without a doubt has a ton of flaws today, but I would rather watch an hour long episode of Superstars than a TNA pay-per-view. I just don't understand how TNA manages to be so... bad with the talent they have.

Amen to that.

[juggaloninjalee]

I honestly don't understand why anyone in their right mind would put Eric Bischoff in charge of their program in any way, shape, or form. I have never understood what made Bischoff so special other than two brilliant storylines (that he ended up ruining in the end btw, the nWo, and Hogan/Sting).

I try to look at the positive sides of wrestling as much as possible, but TNA has no positives at all that I can point out to you. They have horrible storylines, good workers buried in short/idiotic gimmick matches, they killed the X-Divison, and they have three guys running the show who just don't know how to put on an entertaining wrestling program in this day and age, Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo.

The WWE without a doubt has a ton of flaws today, but I would rather watch an hour long episode of Superstars than a TNA pay-per-view. I just don't understand how TNA manages to be so... bad with the talent they have.


You would think the roster would constantly be like hey morons up top do you not see what is wrong here? HELLO YOU SAY WRESTLING MATTERS BUT DON'T SHOW IT BY 2 and a half minute matches. Give us 10 minutes to work a match.

[Hashasheen]

You would think the roster would constantly be like hey morons up top do you not see what is wrong here? HELLO YOU SAY WRESTLING MATTERS BUT DON'T SHOW IT BY 2 and a half minute matches. Give us 10 minutes to work a match.

Would they care though? 2 minutes = a lot less wear and tear on their bodies.

[Fantabulous]

Would they care though? 2 minutes = a lot less wear and tear on their bodies.

Professional pride? You can work a good ten-minute match and not have to bump like crazy.

[20LEgend]

The thing that is worst for me is that they have much potential, but i struggle to think based on the roster if it could get any worse, i believe any booker, even some people on here could run it to be more enjoyable,anexample most people would push x division, outof anyone whydoes it have to be them :(

[Hashasheen]

Professional pride? You can work a good ten-minute match and not have to bump like crazy.

They're in TNA. How much pride can they have when Hogan and Bischoff have 80% of the television time and Vince Russo is writing their scripts?

[juggaloninjalee]

Would they care though? 2 minutes = a lot less wear and tear on their bodies.

Because when you are a pro athlete or someone striving to be one you want to be the best. I would assume it's the same for pro wrestlers. I know some just want to get a paycheck but I am sure half those guys want to be better and get more exposure. Even out of the guys just wanting a paycheck have to realize it would benefit them if they got more on screen time in matches as it would make them more valuable if they worked matches instead of throwaway 2 minute "segments" as I call them.

They're in TNA. How much pride can they have when Hogan and Bischoff have 80% of the television time and Vince Russo is writing their scripts?

I am not sure where you work or what you do but I am sure you have little to no control over who your boss is or how they do their job. It's the same for them. What is Amazing Red going to do with Hogan being in charge? He may still have pride in his work. Personal pride has nothing to do with who your boss is or what they do I feel.

[Hive]

All Wheels Wrestling?

lol... :rolleyes:

[Fantabulous]

All Wheels Wrestling?

lol... :rolleyes:

Russo should love this, what with all the swerves involved.

[Rone Rivendale]

So a tag match with female wrestlers means that wrestling doesn't matter? That sounds like more of a personal problem than a TNA problem.... I happen to love the Knockouts. It's the best women's wrestling in the US outside of SHIMMER.

[Bigpapa42]

So a tag match with female wrestlers means that wrestling doesn't matter? That sounds like more of a personal problem than a TNA problem.... I happen to love the Knockouts. It's the best women's wrestling in the US outside of SHIMMER.

Who is saying they had problems with it being a Knockouts match? Personally, I had a problem with it being a tag match that was typically short and seemed to focus on one of the wrestlers doing a zombie gimmick. Male or female, that's stupid and approach wrestle-crap territory. Putting that match on right after Hogan's proclamation just reinforced, to me, what had I had assumed - that "wrestler matters" is just a tag line and means nothing to the direction and intent of TNA.

I would love - LOVE - for TNA to prove otherwise. But I have zero faith. I have watched Impact just a few times since last October, when I simply gave up after hoping against hope for some positive change. I read about how TNA was promoting the show and figured I would give it another chance... A waste of time.

[liontamer]

Who is saying they had problems with it being a Knockouts match? Personally, I had a problem with it being a tag match that was typically short and seemed to focus on one of the wrestlers doing a zombie gimmick. Male or female, that's stupid and approach wrestle-crap territory. Putting that match on right after Hogan's proclamation just reinforced, to me, what had I had assumed - that "wrestler matters" is just a tag line and means nothing to the direction and intent of TNA.

I would love - LOVE - for TNA to prove otherwise. But I have zero faith. I have watched Impact just a few times since last October, when I simply gave up after hoping against hope for some positive change. I read about how TNA was promoting the show and figured I would give it another chance... A waste of time.

so how was last weeks 2 min diva's tag on smackdown then? Not to mention it featured 4 relatively unknowns. Not to mention smackdown is a higher percentage of replays than any show I've ever seen, although it's better since WM ended. Prior to that it was basically a Raw rewind.

[Hashasheen]

Because when you are a pro athlete or someone striving to be one you want to be the best. I would assume it's the same for pro wrestlers. I know some just want to get a paycheck but I am sure half those guys want to be better and get more exposure. Even out of the guys just wanting a paycheck have to realize it would benefit them if they got more on screen time in matches as it would make them more valuable if they worked matches instead of throwaway 2 minute "segments" as I call them. Besides green guys like Robbie E, Crimson in whom it's there best interest to work shorter matchess, there aren't that many people who need exposure. TNA, for all it's faults, has a very impressive and generally veteran roster of talents that are known across North America and Europe as well as internationally.

I am not sure where you work or what you do but I am sure you have little to no control over who your boss is or how they do their job. It's the same for them. What is Amazing Red going to do with Hogan being in charge? He may still have pride in his work. Personal pride has nothing to do with who your boss is or what they do I feel.
I'm a Law Student.

[Bigpapa42]

so how was last weeks 2 min diva's tag on smackdown then? Not to mention it featured 4 relatively unknowns. Not to mention smackdown is a higher percentage of replays than any show I've ever seen, although it's better since WM ended. Prior to that it was basically a Raw rewind.

Are you trying to justify what TNA did with the Knockouts there by pointing to the WWE Diva's? The Diva's who are utterly interchangeable, have virtually no discernible character, and are essentially treated like a meaningless part of every show?

There are tons of things wrong with the WWE, no doubt. But the WWE doing something poorly doesn't make it okay for TNA to do similar. And at least the WWE is honest when they make it clear they aren't about the wrestling. Wish they were, but they aren't. TNA says they are, but I am not seeing it. I actually appreciate the honesty of the WWE with their "entertainers".

[LiquidSwords]

I really don't understand TNA.

A new promotion, All Wheels Wrestling, which would combine motorcross racing and professional wrestling, will be taping what I assume to be a pilot at the Impact Wrestling Zone in Orlando, Florida (aka Soundstage 21) at Universal Studios.

The official release reads:

All Wheels Wrestling debuts June 29th at Universal Studios

This made for television event will appeal to both wrestling fans and motorsports enthusiasts alike. Come witness the high flying moves of some of the greatest pro wrestlers in the world as they battle it out in the ring in front of a live audience.

Doors open at 6:30PM. Taping begins at 7:00PM. Taping held at Universal Studios' Soundstage 21. This is a non-ticketed event and seating is based on a first come first served basis. It is recommended to arrive one hour prior to doors open. Video cameras and audio recording equipment is not allowed. Show may cancel and schedules and/or audience requirements may alter at any time.

http://pwinsider.com/article/58807/new-promotion-all-wheels-wrestling-taping-tv-at-impact-wrestling-zone-in-orlando.html?p=1

[Rone Rivendale]

What does a new indy fed have to do with TNA? Just cuz it's being taped at Universal Studios?

You are ============E (reaching)

[20LEgend]

What does a new indy fed have to do with TNA? Just cuz it's being taped at Universal Studios?

You are ============E (reaching)

ALL WHEELS WRESTLING OWNED BY TNA
By Mike Johnson on 2011-06-10 10:11:47 As noted earlier today, a taping for a new project titled "All Wheels Wrestling" will be held later this month at the Impact Zone in Orlando, Florida.
The trademark and web domain for the terms "All Wheels Wrestling" are owned by different subsidiaries of TNA, so it would appear this is a new brand the promotion is looking into launching in some form.

I hope to have more on this later.

MOTWYW

[Jaysin]

Awesome opener between Shelley/Storm and British Invasion.

[ShaunGBD]

MOTWYW

MOTWYW?

[20LEgend]

MOTWYW?

Make of that what you will

[ECW 2.0]

how is the ppv? Im watching game 6 nba and im going to catch a replay.

[jjohns44]

Was there live and I really enjoyed the event. My favorite matches were Gun Money vs. Britist Invasion, AJ Styles vs. Bully Ray, Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Jarhett and even enjoyed Mickie vs. Angelina.

[BHK1978]

how is the ppv? Im watching game 6 nba and im going to catch a replay.

From what I have read, it seems that Bully Ray and AJ stole the show. Who would have thought that would be the case?

Granted I did not see the PPV because I no longer buy any PPV for any company. I find reading about them is just as good and I am not out the arm and leg that companies charge for PPV's now.

[Charasmatic Enigma]

From what I have read, it seems that Bully Ray and AJ stole the show. Who would have thought that would be the case?

Granted I did not see the PPV because I no longer buy any PPV for any company. I find reading about them is just as good and I am not out the arm and leg that companies charge for PPV's now.

Yeah, the AJ vs Bully Ray match was awesome. AJ really needs to get involved in the world title picture asap.

Speaking of the World Title, wth was that finish? I mean first the dodgy count with Bischoff, and then as if that wasn't bad enough Anderson low blowed Sting... right in front of the referee. I mean it couldn't have been more obvious, or any more in the ref's view. I'm guessing they'll have some elaborate story where Bischoff has the ref's in his pocket or something, but... why?

[jjohns44]

From what I have read, it seems that Bully Ray and AJ stole the show. Who would have thought that would be the case?

Granted I did not see the PPV because I no longer buy any PPV for any company. I find reading about them is just as good and I am not out the arm and leg that companies charge for PPV's now.

with results posted online almost immediately and videos on youtube and torrents, it's way better than having to fork over 80 bucks a month for PPVs.

[20LEgend]

Yeah, the AJ vs Bully Ray match was awesome. AJ really needs to get involved in the world title picture asap.

Speaking of the World Title, wth was that finish? I mean first the dodgy count with Bischoff, and then as if that wasn't bad enough Anderson low blowed Sting... right in front of the referee. I mean it couldn't have been more obvious, or any more in the ref's view. I'm guessing they'll have some elaborate story where Bischoff has the ref's in his pocket or something, but... why?

Jackson James has had A LOT of dodgy decisions and he is Bischoff's son so I hope they don't go the route of him as Immortal's referee. As for the pin Sting was made to look really dumb, don't referees say 1, 2, 3 surely he would have heard two when the ref put his hand down and kept on the pin. And then as you said, the low blow right after, no wonder they put JJ Angle on after it!

[Fantabulous]

Granted I did not see the PPV because I no longer buy any PPV for any company. I find reading about them is just as good and I am not out the arm and leg that companies charge for PPV's now.
Reading about a TNA PPV makes my head spin; I imagine actually watching one would make it fall off.

[liontamer]

Jackson James has had A LOT of dodgy decisions and he is Bischoff's son so I hope they don't go the route of him as Immortal's referee. As for the pin Sting was made to look really dumb, don't referees say 1, 2, 3 surely he would have heard two when the ref put his hand down and kept on the pin. And then as you said, the low blow right after, no wonder they put JJ Angle on after it!

I'm still questioning JJ vs Kurt as the last match. Nothing about it stood out to me. I figured there'd be a huge swerve or something to justify it. Overall a solid ppv though, although I don't like the Sting finish, nor his jokeresque facepaint

[Charasmatic Enigma]

I'm still questioning JJ vs Kurt as the last match. Nothing about it stood out to me. I figured there'd be a huge swerve or something to justify it. Overall a solid ppv though, although I don't like the Sting finish, nor his jokeresque facepaint

I think TNA made the right call in putting Agle/Jarrett last. I would have been even more pissed off with the Sting match finish id it had been on last. Also by putting it on last, hopefully this will actually be the blowoff for Angle/Jarrett, and both men can move on to pastures new. God knows Angle needs to.

[ShaunGBD]

I keep hearing about the finish to the Anderson/Sting match, what was it?

[Charasmatic Enigma]

I keep hearing about the finish to the Anderson/Sting match, what was it?

Basically, Sting hits the Scorpian Deathdrop and covers Anderson. Bischoff (who had come done to ringside earlier in the match) hits the mat in between the ref's one and two count. Sting was looking the other way, so upon hearing 3 hits on the mat, he rolls off of Anderson and begins to celebrate. Jackson James tells him it was only a two count. Sting argues with him a bit, then argues with Bischoff. Eventually he goes to pick up Anderson, but gets low blowed right in front of the ref... who does nothing. Anderson then hits Mic Check and wins.

[TakerNGN74]

I hate that its a big pet peeve of mine to have someone get low blowed right in front of the refs eyes. I was in a few wrestling promotions as a ref and whenever it happened (A low blow in front of the refs eyes) it makes the ref look stupid.

[pauls07]

is the story bout jeff hardy using a taser on matts girlfriend real?? if so he is just a tool lol

[MrCanada]

is the story bout jeff hardy using a taser on matts girlfriend real?? if so he is just a tool lol

Yup. Saw the video before they took it down.

The issue with the video wasnt so much the tasering of Reby Sky, as weird as that sounds. They were simply doing Jackass-y stuff which I think most of us are guilty of at some point, maybe not a stun gun but whatever.

What was really, lets just say sad, about the video is how drugged up and drunk they all seemed to be. With Jeff Hardy doing all his court stuff / getting sober and in the midst of that you release a video of drunken/drugged out idiocy? Thats the issue. When Matt Hardy was acting like a maniac to seemingly get released then said it was all part of the plan or whatever, while people just said he was coked up and he denied it, then he releases this coked up videos is what I think the true idiocy of the whole thing comes from.

[Hive]

I just read the recap of the next Impact! show... and jeez. The guys TNA is pushing these days... I don't get it at all. First Crimson, now this... why oh why, TNA? :confused:

[dvdWarrior]

I just read the recap of the next Impact! show... and jeez. The guys TNA is pushing these days... I don't get it at all. First Crimson, now this... why oh why, TNA? :confused:

At least they're trying to make new stars.

Hey, it's a start.

:o

[Hive]

At least they're trying to make new stars.

Hey, it's a start.

:o

Yeah but I'd rather see them build on the ones they already have but are horribly mis-treating, like AJ Styles, The Pope, Samoa Joe, even Matt Morgan... I mean, these guys at least have that certain star quality feel to them.

[dvdWarrior]

Yeah but I'd rather see them build on the ones they already have but are horribly mis-treating, like AJ Styles, The Pope, Samoa Joe, even Matt Morgan... I mean, these guys at least have that certain star quality feel to them.

No doubt.

I worry that Crimson might not be ready for this push he's getting, and I have a bad feeling they're pushing the other feller a little too fast. By all rights, AJ should be the face of the company by now, why he's not is anyone's guess.

Guess we have to sit back and hope for the best.

:(

[LoNdOn]

What do you guys think about A Double returning to TNA?

[1234]

What do you guys think about A Double returning to TNA?

I'm not sure how I feel. I guess it depends how he is used, I would like him to do really well, but I see him being lost in the shuffle, which would make me sad.

He was recently talking about losing his desire to wrestle, and possibly move away from the business. However he was talking about wanting to do something new, that will help him grow, so hopefully he gets that opporunity here.

I guess its just a wait and see.

[20LEgend]

What's wrong with Gunner he had a good match with Christopher Daniels a few weeks a go, oh yeah, Daniels can carry anyone. :) As forAuston Aries meh, I can't see TNA doing mmuch with him but he could be useful for Destination X but I wonder if Kash and Rave will make it onto the PPV. Sounds like an OKAY show but RVD vs. Joe should become an actual feud and be on Destination X rather than this match.

[JackKnifed72]

At least they're trying to make new stars.

Hey, it's a start.

:o

I think the problem is they are about 5 years late on this plan. AJ, Daniels, Joe and to a lesser extent Matt Morgan, Beer Money and Abyss had/have great potential to be big stars but have been buried, misused, poorly booked and basically ****ed over so many times for soooo long that they (TNA) missed the boat with them. Now, after 8 years in business TNA has to start over with a new batch of guys, some worthy some not, and try to build them up. Also, I'm sure Hogan and Bischoff want "their guys" in place, not the guys who were already employeed when they got there. (See AJ Styles: from longest reigning TNA World Champion to jobbing to 40 some year old Tommy Dreamer.) It's a shame because they had/have a talented core of wrestlers but can't seem to figure out how to use them


Of course, that's just my opinion...I could be wrong


...

[Hashasheen]

Snip

Same thing with the WWE, really. They rushed the Nexus & NXT to buy time, ended up crippling the momentum of everyone to come out of NXT except for Daniel Bryan (his own fanbase and already a veteran outside the WWE), Wade Barrett (currently mid-carding with Ezekiel Jackson) & Alex Riley (face turning against his mentor).

Honestly, it seems ROH is the best promotion when it comes to elevating talent.

[ECW 2.0]

I like Gunner alright but i love crimson he's awesome I hope he is TNA by BFG. Also Gunner is underrated in the ring He carried Murphy in that tag team and has a bright future.

[JackKnifed72]

Same thing with the WWE, really. They rushed the Nexus & NXT to buy time, ended up crippling the momentum of everyone to come out of NXT except for Daniel Bryan (his own fanbase and already a veteran outside the WWE), Wade Barrett (currently mid-carding with Ezekiel Jackson) & Alex Riley (face turning against his mentor).

Honestly, it seems ROH is the best promotion when it comes to elevating talent.


The big difference is the WW_ has a huge marketing machine, massive fanbase, multi-generational brand loyalty and as much as I hate to say it...John Cena. They will be fine till the next 'Big Thing' come along. TNA on the other hand is basically a big indie show with a nice TV deal. If it weren't for Panda Energy (Dixie Carter's parents) owning the promotion they would be doomed



I like Gunner alright but i love crimson he's awesome I hope he is TNA by BFG. Also Gunner is underrated in the ring He carried Murphy in that tag team and has a bright future.

Gunner, in a previous life as Phil Shatter was quite good on the indie scene for awhile before joining TNA. I haven't seen alot of him myself, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he works out. Don't know much about Crimson though.

...

[Hashasheen]

The big difference is the WW_ has a huge marketing machine, massive fanbase, multi-generational brand loyalty and as much as I hate to say it...John Cena. They will be fine till the next 'Big Thing' come along. TNA on the other hand is basically a big indie show with a nice TV deal. If it weren't for Panda Energy (Dixie Carter's parents) owning the promotion they would be doomed. If it wasn't for the Carters, TNA would have died in October of 2002.


Gunner, in a previous life as Phil Shatter was quite good on the indie scene for awhile before joining TNA. I haven't seen alot of him myself, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he works out. Don't know much about Crimson though. I'm pretty sure the NWA was grooming him to be a top guy for them. As for Tommy Mercer, he's green as goose**** if I remember some of his matched with Absolute Intense Wrestling.

[ECW 2.0]

The first match announced for Destination X is a rematch of the greatest match in TNA history AJ Styles Vs Samoa Joe Vs Christopher Daniels

[Hive]

The first match announced for Destination X is a rematch of the greatest match in TNA history AJ Styles Vs Samoa Joe Vs Christopher Daniels

Hmm. How many times can they keep doing that, though? And why now, after having thrown all these three into obscurity and semi-jobbing for so long? They could at least have bothered to give them the X Division belt to fight for, to give the match some extra prestige...

[20LEgend]

Hmm. How many times can they keep doing that, though?

This is only like the forth time(?) isn't it, since 2005 (?), I do agree about the lack of build. It will be a great match and I have zero issues with it in fact I think it'll be awesome.

[Charasmatic Enigma]

I'm more interested in how their going to justify Daniels and AJ squaring off against each other. Daniels came back to TNA, only what a couple of months ago?, pretty much soley to have AJ's back. Now why would he be on the opposite side of a match, particularly as they've had no issues recently, not even minor ones.

[Hive]

This is[spoiler]. It will be a great match and I have zero issues with it in fact I think it'll be awesome.

My problem is not them doing the match, I love seeing those guys at it - my problem is them doing without any sort of build. Again.

But hey, with all the crap they're doing these days, this is probably what bothers me the least...

[Zeel1]

I'm more interested in how their going to justify Daniels and AJ squaring off against each other. Daniels came back to TNA, only what a couple of months ago?, pretty much soley to have AJ's back. Now why would he be on the opposite side of a match, particularly as they've had no issues recently, not even minor ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't really try to, just seems like a "This match was legendary before, SO LET'S DO IT AGAIN~!" kind of thing. "Dream Rematch" isn't that rare of a way to build up a match, it can work.

[nucleardonkey]

There wasn't any build to Raven/Dreamer at Hardcore Justice...This is the X-Division's version of that show so the reason for this match is to showcase arguably the greatest X-Division match of all time. There's no major fued (so far but remember...the hype hasn't even officially started yet) going into because there doesn't need to be. This is about pride and to showcase their abilities not about hating each other.

I'm all for it personally. Anything that puts the focus on wrestling I just think this show will make the rest of the year look like crap as far as wrestling goes.

[BHK1978]

The way I look at it is maybe this is there way of trying to prove that wrestling does matter. Meaning what better way of proving it does matter than putting the top three "homegrown" stars (Well they were all stars in ROH first but you catch my drift.) in a match that will more than likely be a great match.

[eayragt]

The way I look at it is maybe this is there way of trying to prove that wrestling does matter. Meaning what better way of proving it does matter than putting the top three "homegrown" stars (Well they were all stars in ROH first but you catch my drift.) in a match that will more than likely be a great match.

I'm very much meh about this, considering 19 months ago they threw the three of them together with no build. I suppose 19 months is a long time in wrestling, but given that I've spent more time not watching TNA than watching TNA in that time it doesn't seem too long ago to me.

It's actually less time since we saw the end of that match since the never-ending Cena/Orton feud last finished.

[Fantabulous]

I wouldn't complain about the lack of build; TNA would only make the match seem less important with each passing week.

[nucleardonkey]

I wouldn't complain about the lack of build; TNA would only make the match seem less important with each passing week.

Agreed. Here's how I see TNA booking it if they wanted to build to it:
Week 1: Joe convinces Daniels that AJ is holding him back, Daniels turns on AJ.
Week 2: Daniels apologizes, he and AJ make up, AJ turns on Daniels and joins Bischoff while Joe laughs at them both.
Week 3: Fortune attack AJ, Joe saves him thus turning and joing Immortal.
Week 4: AJ, Joe, Gunner, and EB vs. Daniels, Beer Money, and Kaz. EB pins Kaz after Daniels turns on Fortune. AJ saves Fortune thus turning baby and leaving Immortal. Joe just walks away becoming a tweener and no one knows what side he's on.

Yea...I hope they don't actually attempt to build to this match, in fact I'd rather they didn't even announce it and just let it take place on it's own.

[brashleyholland]

I don't really care enough about wrestling to try and understand how it works these days, but even I know what sells PPV's and what doesn't.

Surely the fact that WWE routinely out-sells TNA on PPV proves that it's story lines, characters etc that sells, not great wrestling matches? If people want to see shows with great wresting, they'll just watch one of the small promotions, right?

By extension then, TNA putting on a show filled with great matches probably wont sell that well in comparison to their usual stuff...which will give people the excuse to say "There's your X-Division, nobody bought the PPV, now here's 6 months of Hogan vs Sting"

It seems crazy to me that they wouldn't spend a couple of months promoting an X-Division show as one of their 'big' shows, having guys like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe etc in the world title picture as the event approaches etc, rather than just chucking a bunch of one-off 'dream matches' on a card and using it as an excuse to go back to the same old formula when nobody buys it.

[Fantabulous]

It's true that compelling storylines and characters sell PPV's. Stars also sell PPV's. The trouble is that TNA can't write the first, can't create the second, and have none of the third.

[nucleardonkey]

I have to disagree. I think it's marketing that sells PPVs. Look at Hardcore Justice, they really didn't have much build up other than it's going to be an ECW reunion. If I remember Correctly they didn't even promote a single match that actually took place. The same can be done here with Destination X and all the "10%ers" who would pay to see the people being brought in on a major PPV and who also appreciate in ring ability. If they market it right and use the right people then a show like this writes itself.

Ofcourse seeing as EB is so good and putting the numbers out in a way that proves his point regardless of what they really say this show could be the most paid for show TNA ever puts on and he'll still find a way to point out how it was him and Hogan people were paying to see and only 10% of the buys were because of the X-Division.

[BHK1978]

Brand loyalty is what sells PPV's now in my opinion. To many the WWF is wrestling (Despite the company itself not wanting to call themsleves a wrestling company.) much like the UFC is MMA and no other company matters. I have friends that would never watch ROH, Dragon Gate USA, or even TNA because they see them as knock off companies. And that is all they will ever see them as because the WWF despite being boring itself still has the stars and the stars that draw.

[jwt13]

This is off topic but, the US needs somthing diffrent to calculate ratings the way were doing it now doesn't add up and could be off by a huge ammount WWE probley draw 4.0 if everyone who watched was counted TNA maybe 2.0 I just think it is a very bad way of calculating the TV ratings.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

This is off topic but, the US needs somthing diffrent to calculate ratings the way were doing it now doesn't add up and could be off by a huge ammount WWE probley draw 4.0 if everyone who watched was counted TNA maybe 2.0 I just think it is a very bad way of calculating the TV ratings.

If every number is rounded down does it really matter?

[Stennick]

So I have a strict no TNA policy at my house. Its for my own good to keep my sanity in all. Well for some reason or another it popped up on my DVR last week (still not sure how that happened, I suspect terrorism).

Point being is I'm an addict even crappy wrestling if its at my disposal I'll watch it. Its a problem that I've sought help for but I think I'm just a lost cause.

Anyway I had a question. Where is Pope? Is he still pimpin? Is Rob Van Dam stilla round at all? How many "bad asses" does TNA have running around right now? Gunner, Joe, Crimson, anybody else? Guys that just start beating the hell out of each other or anyone else thats around?

Has the X Division created any new stars recently? Or is it still just a bunch of their tag teams MCMG, Young Bucks and when that gets old they just throw Daniels, Styles, Joe and now seemingly Lynn back into it?

Is Fortune done for now? Is Immortal still around aside from Bischoff and Hogan?

Last question why hasn't Ken Anderson gone back to the WWE. He's the best heel around not named Miz right now.

[Teh_Showtime]

this is the first Impact Wrestling Ive watched since the rebranding since I was bored. Read.the spoiler and saw Aries was gonna be there, so I tuned in during that match. Production has improved a lot

[nucleardonkey]

Sadly I think the fact that they called him Austin Aries instead of Austin Starr might be a sign that he's not going to be around post Destination X. That being said tonight's been one of the best Impacts I've seen in a long time. I'm loving Sting's decent into madness right now, hopefully they follow through on it and really make him a much darker character again.

[haloed]

Sadly I think the fact that they called him Austin Aries instead of Austin Starr might be a sign that he's not going to be around post Destination X. That being said tonight's been one of the best Impacts I've seen in a long time. I'm loving Sting's decent into madness right now, hopefully they follow through on it and really make him a much darker character again.

I think you may be right about him not sticking around. Hoping you are not however. Cuz to me he's one of those guys to have that 'it' factor to him. Granted he'll never be a huge star for a big promotion because of his size but despite that he could be a huge star within a division like the X division.

Really liking this Impact so far. The X division match was awesome and the RVD/ Joe match was really good too. Shame Joe wasn't the winner.

[Teh_Showtime]

did Angle just do the Cross-Arm breaker?

[Blackman]

So I have a strict no TNA policy at my house. Its for my own good to keep my sanity in all. Well for some reason or another it popped up on my DVR last week (still not sure how that happened, I suspect terrorism).

Point being is I'm an addict even crappy wrestling if its at my disposal I'll watch it. Its a problem that I've sought help for but I think I'm just a lost cause.

Anyway I had a question. Where is Pope? Is he still pimpin? Is Rob Van Dam stilla round at all? How many "bad asses" does TNA have running around right now? Gunner, Joe, Crimson, anybody else? Guys that just start beating the hell out of each other or anyone else thats around?

Has the X Division created any new stars recently? Or is it still just a bunch of their tag teams MCMG, Young Bucks and when that gets old they just throw Daniels, Styles, Joe and now seemingly Lynn back into it?

Is Fortune done for now? Is Immortal still around aside from Bischoff and Hogan?

Last question why hasn't Ken Anderson gone back to the WWE. He's the best heel around not named Miz right now.

Well, I watched one impact lately and like someone said: production values has risen, but the wrestling is still a little 'so-so'.

[Teh_Showtime]

Hope Aries manages to stick around. I would watch TNA just to see him. He saved the X division match last night, and looked amazing in the process.

[brashleyholland]

I'm loving Sting's decent into madness right now, hopefully they follow through on it and really make him a much darker character again.

I caught the recent PPV where he had the 'evil' facepaint. Very cool.

[BurningHamster]

I really want to see a 1000 man battle royal and think TNA could host it. No, I'm not joking.

[20LEgend]

I thought Sting seemed to channel a bit of Jim Carrey on Impact, I think the acting wasn't so good in tha angle and it was a bit ott.

[Gabbo]

Anderson as early Sting was fun.

[sebsplex]

- PWInsider reports that TNA has released Desmond Wolfe, formerly known as Nigel McGuinness. Wolfe had been the Xplosion Commissioner on that international program since returning recently. He hasn't been in the ring for TNA since the fall of 2010 after suffering a health issue.

Not totally surprising, but still... :(

[20LEgend]

What I don't get is why he got put as commissioner, makes me wonder if he has request release or something.

[nucleardonkey]

What I don't get is why he got put as commissioner, makes me wonder if he has request release or something.

I think he was put has commish because he can't wrestle for now if ever again. Correct me if I'm wrong but last I heard he had hep C is why he's stepped away from wrestling for so long.

[20LEgend]

I think he was put has commish because he can't wrestle for now if ever again. Correct me if I'm wrong but last I heard he had hep C is why he's stepped away from wrestling for so long.

Yeah, I've heard that, I was more wondering why they would put him in that role, and then have him leave so soon after. Wondering if it is a bit of a Foley deal because I can't see a reason for such a quick change, so I was thinking he might have requested his release.

[Eisen-verse]

Okay, so, despite all of the craziness, and what I feel they could do 'better', I have to say that I am MORE of a TNA fan these days than the WWE. Case in point...

Sting/Hogan (http://youtu.be/Wbm08GhgKEg)

Sure, there were moments where Sting wen't a little too far with the madness BUT there were also some great spots here as well. While I would like to see more time focused on other guys, I feel this segment came away pretty well.

Is it just me or did Hogan's face look a little weird after the attack? I mean, like he's actually wearing some sort of mask. ha.

[sheepy]

Okay, so, despite all of the craziness, and what I feel they could do 'better', I have to say that I am MORE of a TNA fan these days than the WWE. Case in point...

Sting/Hogan (http://youtu.be/Wbm08GhgKEg)

Sure, there were moments where Sting wen't a little too far with the madness BUT there were also some great spots here as well. While I would like to see more time focused on other guys, I feel this segment came away pretty well.

Is it just me or did Hogan's face look a little weird after the attack? I mean, like he's actually wearing some sort of mask. ha.

Very joker esque from sting there. Would love to see a character in wrestling like that however without a straight up face to combat him not sure it's gonna work.

[20LEgend]

When Hogan reemerged from behind the wall or whatever, his face looked so funny :D

Felt the angle was over the top and the acting was a bit weird at times. I didn't like the I know stuff other people don't know crap and the use of calling him Terry, but the content of the mask and Sting AGAIN paining someone was pretty cool. And I liked the start of the angle and the end of the angle but felt it went a bit weird with the OOT acting in the middle but I liked the content of the angle. Just watched it again. Hogan's face :D

Sting sounding like Jim Carey made me smile, but from when he said "And I'm not done yet" with the stupid hand movement the acting was bad, and Sting repeating himself annoyed me a bit, I like what was said, but not how it was said basically :p.

[Eisen-verse]

Very joker esque from sting there. Would love to see a character in wrestling like that however without a straight up face to combat him not sure it's gonna work.

Agreed. Sadly, though, I would much rather see that kind of character from a younger guy (So we could have it fleshed out for quite some time).

These days, though, wrestling has become rather 'friendly' and has stepped away from more dark-personas. For a joker-esque character to work, there would need to be a focus on more vile demeanor's.

Cheers.

E-V

[Jaysin]

Agreed. Sadly, though, I would much rather see that kind of character from a younger guy (So we could have it fleshed out for quite some time).

These days, though, wrestling has become rather 'friendly' and has stepped away from more dark-personas. For a joker-esque character to work, there would need to be a focus on more vile demeanor's.

Cheers.

E-V

Ever hear of Conrad Kennedy III? He's doing a Joker-esque character now named Krimson. He started the name before Tommy Mercer did in TNA btw. Which is funny because Mercer is another local wrestler...:p

Krimson is actually REALLY good at the gimmick too. The transition was phenomenal too. He was fed up with busting his ass for the last 10 or so years and not making it anywhere in the business he's given his life to and I think he said something about going through a divorce because of his devotion to the wrestling industry. He's done a lot of great promo work in Pro Wrestling Ohio and I was certain it was going to get him mainstream attention, but so far nothing. He's some of his bad ass promos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er-jS87Y0PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUbDoq4s5iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIkCXQiPowM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_3dPFoP5I

Also, Jeff Jarrett won the AAA title, anyone think this will come up on Impact? I mean, there's been rumors about El Zorro joining TNA for at least a year and it has yet to happen, but Jarrett beat El Zorro for the AAA title.

[i effin rule]

Heyman's TNA Plans


http://youtu.be/ctpW7HhlRs0

[20LEgend]

I was wondering when I watched this the other day, do you think he

A) Would fire RVD & Angle (since both are 40 +) and he'd only keep one, or would he not class these as legends, in the case he does count these a legends does he fire Sting (I imagine at the time he would have let his contract run out.)

B) Could he fire Jeff Jarrett? And if not would he keep him as his legend?

It's not huge stuff from Heyman, but watching it would have been awesome (I'd imagine)

[jhd1]

It's not huge stuff from Heyman, but watching it would have been awesome (I'd imagine)

What really stuck in my mind was that Heyman had a vision. Regardless of whether it is really feasible to fire everyone over 40, at least you get the impression that he had a focus and that TNA really would have been a different product from the WWE (which I still believe it badly needs to be).

TNA's current (and only) focus seems to be cramming as many people on TV as possible.

I started watching Impact this week and was immediately confused by Gunner. Is he a face or a heel? Do we not care anymore? And how many times do we need to see Angle vs Jarrett - it feels like it's been going on for months!

[Fantabulous]

What's sad about what Heyman had to say is that it was simple, common sense stuff. It wasn't anything creative or intricate or something never before seen or heard of before. It was basic, logical booking that made sense. Which is the complete antithesis of the TNA approach of the last five or six years.

[Bigpapa42]

What really stuck in my mind was that Heyman had a vision. Regardless of whether it is really feasible to fire everyone over 40, at least you get the impression that he had a focus and that TNA really would have been a different product from the WWE (which I still believe it badly needs to be).

TNA's current (and only) focus seems to be cramming as many people on TV as possible.

I started watching Impact this week and was immediately confused by Gunner. Is he a face or a heel? Do we not care anymore? And how many times do we need to see Angle vs Jarrett - it feels like it's been going on for months!

I absolutely concur with the bolded. So long as TNA sticks to the same basic approach as the WWE has used for so long, its not going to stand out. It is stuck in a rut with the same basic number of people watching it, week after week, with no real notable growth. They are not appealing to a wider audience. They need to change things up. They talk about doing it - "wrestling mattters" - and yet don't actually change anything.

[MasterJ]

Heyman imo is the most Overrated man in wrestling just another person yall IWC people speak so highly of that isn't all that much. If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.

[Rone Rivendale]

Heyman imo is the most Overrated man in wrestling just another person yall IWC people speak so highly of that isn't all that much. If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.

Everything he touched in ECW became wrestling GOLD. ECW went down because he didn't know how to manage money. It had nothing to do with his knowledge of wrestling.

[20LEgend]

Heyman imo is the most Overrated man in wrestling just another person yall IWC people speak so highly of that isn't all that much. If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.

That not really the point. Did you watch the video? If you did, would you prefer that to what TNA put out now (if you even watch it) , regardless of what you think of him.

Nobody here said he was a genius, in fact everyone has basically said it's basic stuff. It is logically and for me, (and from what I've seen elsewhere about this video) it is an improvement, which could have come from the mouth of Dixie Carter, or Eric Young , or Jeremy Borash for all I care, the fact is what he said makes sense (to me :)).

[Hive]

Heyman's TNA Plans


http://youtu.be/ctpW7HhlRs0

Really good stuff from Heyman here. I would watch his TNA.

And no, I'm certainly no Heyman mark. I was never into ECW.

[Fantabulous]

Heyman imo is the most Overrated man in wrestling just another person yall IWC people speak so highly of that isn't all that much. If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.

How in the hell do you mistype 'genius' as 'gensis'? Or did you just smash the keyboard randomly with your meaty fists and hope for the best?

[Remianen]

Heyman imo is the most Overrated man in wrestling just another person yall IWC people speak so highly of that isn't all that much. If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.

Everything he touched in ECW became wrestling GOLD. ECW went down because he didn't know how to manage money. It had nothing to do with his knowledge of wrestling.

This is something most people don't get. There seems to be a perception that if you're good at one thing, you're good at everything. The mere suggestion that someone (like, oh I dunno, Paul Heyman) could be great at one critical part of wrestling and woefully inadequate at another critical part, seems unfathomable to some folks.

"How did Mike Tyson go bankrupt? He was such a great boxer!"
"How did Toni Braxton go bankrupt (twice!)? She was such a great singer!"

How in the hell do you mistype 'genius' as 'gensis'? Or did you just smash the keyboard randomly with your meaty fists and hope for the best?

I lol'd. :)

[ZMAN]

I couldn't see Heyman elevating the show to the moon, but I think he would guide it into a positive direction. I think I trust him more than the team they currently have running the show.

If he was sucha gensis ECW would still be around.
Everyone says that, but it's such an unfair argument. The guy was a genius because of all the personalities involved on the show, and that it pushed limits, yet somehow was growing in popularity. ECW is not physically still around (even though it did return twice in the two top promotions as a brand), but the influences are all over the effin place. Terrible businessman, probably, but I don't blame the dude for wanting to put out an awesome show no matter what the cost was. I would just be bitter that all my ideas got picked up by the top companies, who made a assload of cash off of them.

[brashleyholland]

Question: Has any wrestling promotion that has presented something markedly 'different' to what WWE does survived for a significant amount of time on TV and made money?

If there's no evidence to support that doing something different to WWE can make money and generate longevity, surely TNA should be doing everything in their power to be as much like WWE as possible, for the sake of their future?

[20LEgend]

Question: Has any wrestling promotion that has presented something markedly 'different' to what WWE does survived for a significant amount of time on TV and made money?

If there's no evidence to support that doing something different to WWE can make money and generate longevity, surely TNA should be doing everything in their power to be as much like WWE as possible, for the sake of their future?

But none have had the backing of TNA as I know of.

[brashleyholland]

But none have had the backing of TNA as I know of.

I don't follow? If people watch it, TV will show it and advertisers will buy space on it.

Didn't MTV have a wrestling promotion that was kinda different to WWE at one point? If you can't last with MTV behind you, then people simply ain't buying what you're selling.

[20LEgend]

I don't follow? If people watch it, TV will show it and advertisers will buy space on it.

Didn't MTV have a wrestling promotion that was kinda different to WWE at one point? If you can't last with MTV behind you, then people simply ain't buying what you're selling.

I think TNA would survive if they did thing different to WWE, nothing too drastic, but in a way as Heyman said of pushing youth over older guys. With Panda Energy and their great relationship with Spike, I reckon they could do well. I see what you mean, and making money IDK, but I don't think copy WWE would be best for their future, but maybe to stay secure in where they are and if they accept being a second rate promotion and are happy not to be the biggest it would make sense for them to carry on how they are and be WWE lite.

[Bigpapa42]

Question: Has any wrestling promotion that has presented something markedly 'different' to what WWE does survived for a significant amount of time on TV and made money?

If there's no evidence to support that doing something different to WWE can make money and generate longevity, surely TNA should be doing everything in their power to be as much like WWE as possible, for the sake of their future?

Valid point, but counter question - has TNA ever made money by using its "WWE formula" approach? By most accounts, it has yet to ever be a money making venture. Also, has any promotion but the WWE remained on TV and profitable for any length of time? WCW managed for awhile but they also failed pretty spectacularly. So I don't know that following the WWE formula is really any safer than any other approach.

If I ran a business and was desperate for growth, yet the same approach had generated no significant growth for several years despite throwing a lot of money at a number of supposed "fixes", I might consider changing the approach at least a little.

[Jaysin]

The thing that Heyman was great at was taking someone and hiding all their flaws. Like, watch the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd I think it is when they bring up Public Enemy. I mean, come on, alone neither one of those guys was anything special. Raven and Paul came up with the Public Enemy gimmick with tables and what not and the fans ate it up.

Raven and Heyman were a fantastic team. What's kind of frustrating is Raven doesn't ever get talked about when people talk about ECW. A good portion of the storylines and gimmicks were his handy work. On the Hardcore Homecoming dvd, pretty much everyone on there sang Raven's praise for his creativity.

[brashleyholland]

Valid point, but counter question - has TNA ever made money by using its "WWE formula" approach? By most accounts, it has yet to ever be a money making venture.

Honestly I have no idea...I guess they can't be bleeding that much cash if they're still around after so long, but I honestly don't know enough to say anymore than that. :p


Also, has any promotion but the WWE remained on TV and profitable for any length of time? WCW managed for awhile but they also failed pretty spectacularly. So I don't know that following the WWE formula is really any safer than any other approach.

True that. Maybe that's the harsh reality for TNA then - pro wrestling doesn't survive and make money, WWE does.

[MasterJ]

I don't follow? If people watch it, TV will show it and advertisers will buy space on it.

Didn't MTV have a wrestling promotion that was kinda different to WWE at one point? If you can't last with MTV behind you, then people simply ain't buying what you're selling.

Yea but at the time MTV wasn't even sure they wanted a wrestling show, and with the ratings and lack of effort MTV put into advertising that promotion had no chance.

[Hive]

Question: Has any wrestling promotion that has presented something markedly 'different' to what WWE does survived for a significant amount of time on TV and made money?

If there's no evidence to support that doing something different to WWE can make money and generate longevity, surely TNA should be doing everything in their power to be as much like WWE as possible, for the sake of their future?

But why would anyone want to watch a promotion *exactly* like WWE, only with lesser stars and poorer production quality?

They need to be like WWE in many ways, yes, but they need to differentiate them from WWE in just the right ways. Like tag team wrestling and the X Division, both of which covers areas the WWE has been neglecting for ages but which in the past has proven to be good draws.

[Fantabulous]

Valid point, but counter question - has TNA ever made money by using its "WWE formula" approach? By most accounts, it has yet to ever be a money making venture. Also, has any promotion but the WWE remained on TV and profitable for any length of time? WCW managed for awhile but they also failed pretty spectacularly. So I don't know that following the WWE formula is really any safer than any other approach.


WCW failed more because it had a succession of people in charge who's booking and writing managed to run people off with a product that not only didn't appeal to people but was the complete opposite of what their fanbase historically wanted.

WCW/NWA was always more about wrestling over the razzmatazz and showbiz aspects of the business. Not to say it didn't have a little of those things in their presentation, but the style preferred by their fans was always that of good wrestling matches that were supported by great promos and strong angles. And there were enough of those fans that, until about 1987, they were a viable alternative to the WWF. They weren't bigger than the WWF, and there can only be one top dog, but they were doing well enough that there was clearly room for two different products.

The problem is that, today, I think a lot of those fans have been run off, have moved on, etc, and I don't know that there are enough fans of a wrestling-based product to sustain a second national promotion. In 2005 when TNA were on the much weaker FSN and doing in the 50,000 buys range on a regular basis, it was because of simple booking leading to PPV's that were generally filled with hot matches. So there was an audience, albeit not a huge one, for a wrestling orientated product. Maybe if they were on Spike at the time it could have led to enough interest in running house shows and things could have picked up from there. Today, it's six-years later, and they've generally promoted a WWE-style product, heavy on skits and angles with short matches and endless bad finishes, and even though they've got a hardcore base of 1.1-1.2 who watch every week, they're house shows are not that good and they're PPV business is woefully bad. Even if Heyman, or anyone, came in and started doing things right and the quality of the product shot up, it would take a long time to overcome those six-years of bad writing and that's assuming they could even get those lapsed 2005 PPV buyers back or were somehow able to make brand new fans.

However, when it comes down it, and it's not so much the style, or even the quality, of the product being presented as much as whether the fans see those involved in the product as stars because stars are what sell. When stars are hot, as long as you're booking/writing isn't so bad it kills the star power of the stars, they're going to shift ratings and PPV buys no matter what. WCW was hot because it had stars who were hot; Hogan, Savage, Sting, Piper, etc. And it made sure to keep them hot so that even when the angles or booking wasn't quite up to par (remember Piper in Alcatraz?), they still brought in ratings and PPV dollars. Likewise with WWE, when Austin/Rock hit it big in the Attitude Era, they were kept hot and so they stayed hot and did big business. Yet if you go and watch and a lot of the TV from that era, it doesn't hold up well and you realize just how bad the TV actually was. But it didn't matter because at the time the company was hot and they were able to keep the stars hot.

[Bigpapa42]

The question of whether a product based on athleticism and workrate could become relatively mainstream is one I've considered quite a bit lately, due to a "WCW survives" project i'm doing (/cheap plug). I have my doubts. I don't think that type of product would ever be able to achieve the kind of mainstream fanbase that the WWE has (and WCW had, at one point). I don't believe the broad audience appeal is there.

That is not to say such a product could not be successful at all. Rather, I think there are limitations. Then again, almost any variation of Sports Entertainment is going to have its limitations. The current PG product that is aimed at families and kids does not seem to appeal as directly to the 18-35 male demographic like a more "adult" proudct (not necessarily full Attitude Era either) does.

I would like to see TNA move toward a more in-ring focus because that is what would appeal to me personally. I realize that what I like and what will help them suceed as a business are not necessarily the same thing. I also realize that we don't know all the details of what goes on backstage. Perhaps their creative direction is limited or even dictated by Spike? Without being part of the decision-making process, its hard to know all the influences.

My thought is simply that TNA have reached a point where they have seen no significant sustained growth for an extended period of time. The ratings they are drawing now are almost identical to what they were drawing three years ago when I first started watching. Their approach of seeking out "name value" has not seen positive gains, even if I understand the logic of it. I just wonder if a point will come where they have to do some real examination of their product and try to make a change in that regard. There is a sour irony to the fact that they talk about making such a change, as if they recognize that its time to try something at least a bit different, yet do not make any actual product change...

[Fantabulous]

I think it's been obvious for quite some time that TNA/Dixie are not going to make any real, serious changes to the way they do things. They've had coming up on five years solid of having a Russo written/influenced product and in that time, they've only had a few major spikes in their PPV business, none of which had to do with the style and presentation that TNA generally espouses. They had spikes with the first Angle/Joe match, one of the Sting PPV's did a big number (maybe the BFG with his career on the line) and Angle/Joe at Lockdown. Now, you obviously can't have another first Angle/Joe match, and the career stipulation means little in wrestling today and less than nothing in TNA who have rendered their stipulations meaningless. But what you can recreate is what they did with Angle/Joe at Lockdown; the serious, sports style presentation of building up a match where they don't overbook it, or treat it like a joke, but make it something you can take seriously, with an issue you can take seriously, and present it in a manner where the match and the outcome are important. TNA did all that and wound up doing in the range of 60,000 buys.

And what did TNA do in response?

Completely ignore the approach that gave them that spike in buys and went right back to doing the EXACT OPPOSITE and not coincidently went back to doing poorly on PPV. On their own damn show they had something that proved it could work and draw far more than what they usually do and they couldn't even bring themselves to go with that style for a few months and see what happens. Instead, they went back to the same TNA Style that wasn't doing wonders for them before, hasn't done squat for them since, and is never going to work for them in the future.

For whatever reason, and you can make your own guesses, TNA/Dixie are hell bent on doing things one way and way only, regardless of the results.

[justtxyank]

1998 was the last year that Southern Style wrestling still had a good fanbase in the US. By 2001, the style of WCW and the fanbase that was left supporting it were very different than it had been in 1997 and earlier. People need to realize that from 1998-2001 a lot of fans of "wrasslin" moved on and were not being replaced. As that last generation entered an age where they didn't watch wrestling anymore, the new fans that were being born were mainly watching the WWF. From 2001-present day it's almost exclusively the WWF that new fans are watching. This is what they know as wrestling.

When TNA says "wrestling matters here" it's a weak promotional slogan because most people who think wrestling is something different than the WWE either don't watch anymore or already watching a company like TNA or ROH.

Can a promotion thrive again presenting an alternate product, even a WCW type product? I don't really know that they could. Wrestling is a child and young adult's product. The audience shrinks as it ages. The overwhelming majority of the wrestling audience thinks WWE is what wrestling is supposed to be and it's all they'll ever care about. That combined with the WWE's brand power has basically strangled wrestling in America. Once WCW failed to put the stake through Vince in 1997-1998, the fate of wrestling in America was sealed.

[nucleardonkey]

I think either way you look at the fate of pro wrestling in America was sealed the day Nitro debuted on TNT. Once that war started everyone knew there could only be one outcome and that was one company destroying the other company. Either WCW was going to buy WWF and become what the fans see as being pro wrestling today or we get the outcome we got of WWF buying WCW.

TNA as it started out was a joke. You gotta remember where TNA is now is way up from the days where they'd have a midget beating off in a garbage can while The Dupps are being interviewed, a hardcore division where the matches were set up on a point system based on how many weapons shots took place, and Mark Madden. Things have been a LOT worse in TNA compared to now.

I don't think TNA's PPV numbers even really matter at this point because PPV as it goes for professional wrestling is a dead medium. With so many people turning to illegal feeds for PPVs these days running a profitable one is near impossible. If I were in charge I'd do away with them completely in favor of bi-monthly TV specials like WCW had with Clash of the Champions and build to those as if they were on PPV.

[Kamchatka]

Ok, I apologise as I know I'm way behind the times on this as I havent been following TNA at all in the past few months and missed their rebranding (Also big apologies as I'm sure this isn't interesting for a lot of people) but..

Surely this

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/Kamchatka863/impact1.jpg

should look like this..

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/Kamchatka863/impact2.jpg

I know its probably an intentional alignment by the designer but when you look at their website it seems to continually put all their stuff out of whack. Everything leans to the left and leaves big black gaps down the right.

It just puts my teeth on edge a little bit.

[cappyboy]

You know what though, dude?I think I can safely speak for all of us when I say you're forgiven. Given your mastery of making logos and banners for us all, I think we'd be more disappointed if you weren't noticing and commenting on an issue like this. That wouldn't be like our Kamchatka

[DaMegaFish]

I don't think TNA's PPV numbers even really matter at this point because PPV as it goes for professional wrestling is a dead medium. With so many people turning to illegal feeds for PPVs these days running a profitable one is near impossible. If I were in charge I'd do away with them completely in favor of bi-monthly TV specials like WCW had with Clash of the Champions and build to those as if they were on PPV.

Expert opinions from experts.

I feel like unless anyone can see the books and see what kind of revenue is generated from PPV's, or debts for that matter, blind statements like this should be avoided.

[nucleardonkey]

Expert opinions from experts.

I feel like unless anyone can see the books and see what kind of revenue is generated from PPV's, or debts for that matter, blind statements like this should be avoided.

It's been stated numerous times from numerous sources that PPV buy-rates are way down for WWE from where they were a couple of years ago and that TNA was barely breaking even on most of their PPVs. I'll admit, I don't know how much of it is true or really how good or bad it is. I'm just saying based on the way TNA books towards PPV's and if it is true they are barely breaking even on them then it would seem to me that it would be more feasible financially to run major shows bi-monthly on Spike perhaps even build to them like they do PPV's and run them head to head with RAW or Smackdown.

[MasterJ]

My brother in law is in charge of PPV numbers for Direct TV he told me that TNA BFG 2010 had roughly 68,000 buys. I can see if he can get any more info though he told me he would most likly get fired if he was caught giving these numbers out.

[DaMegaFish]

It's been stated numerous times from numerous sources that PPV buy-rates are way down for WWE from where they were a couple of years ago and that TNA was barely breaking even on most of their PPVs. I'll admit, I don't know how much of it is true or really how good or bad it is. I'm just saying based on the way TNA books towards PPV's and if it is true they are barely breaking even on them then it would seem to me that it would be more feasible financially to run major shows bi-monthly on Spike perhaps even build to them like they do PPV's and run them head to head with RAW or Smackdown.

Right. And I don't want you to take my comment as a direct attack to you, it was more just a venting of peoples general know it all attitude sometimes. You may or may not be right, but without numbers, and knowing the cost that go in to the PPV's, a down time might still equal money. Lets face it, the whole industry is in a down period of sorts, so of course the PPV's are down. Didn't WWE just hit record or near record lows for one of their recent PPV's? True as that is, we don't know if at that low they are losing money like mad or not.

I just don't get how promoting top PPV matches on special event shows is more logical at this day an age. If you do that, then you cut under every other free show you offer by making certain ones more important.

[Slagaholic]

I just don't get how promoting top PPV matches on special event shows is more logical at this day an age. If you do that, then you cut under every other free show you offer by making certain ones more important.

If you take PPV out of the question we're talking about just another TV show. Think of the big shows as a season finale. Except that instead of having to wait until next year, the new season starts the following week! :cool:

[Fantabulous]

I think if TNA were doing even decent on PPV, Eric would be putting out the same BS spin he does on their ratings to try and make it seem like they're doing far better than they really are. The fact you can't even seem to find people within the PPV industry who can track the numbers is probably the most telling indicator of how well they do.

[Gabbo]

Wrestling PPV's are dead. The WWE aims their programming at kids and what kids have control of the television for 3 or 4 hours in the evening after their parents are home from work and a spare $50 every month to splash out on bigger shows?

That's why the 90's did big money. Adults have the money and control of the tv. Aim your shows towards kids and accept that ratings and PPV buys will drop but merch sales and live attendances will go up. Now MMA has the adult market, and men will get together; have a few beers, have some snacks and pool their money to watch a live event each month. Adult wrestling fans are then less inclined to buy to watch on their own so either ignore it or just torrent it.

TNA just gets the run downs of WWE. No matter how different they try to market their show.

TNA needs to abandon PPV's. They do nothing for the company and it just serves as some sort of perceived equal with the WWE. Do something new. Change the format. Do 3 hour tv specials at the end of each month instead. They'll be able to sell advertising for it, reach a larger audience and allow casual fans to tun into their best efforts as well as catching the conclusion of feuds and angles.

They don't even need a Big show. Big shows are there to draw big money. TNA neither draws large audiences or large buys so why bother? Go to weekly programming, set up a more flexible system. Nothing has to work it's way towards a monthly arc. Where all feuds reach a climax of sorts on the same show. Just do weekly tv, put the best matches on that you can, have the most absorbing feuds and just keep people coming back with no pressure to buy PPV's.

I dunno but I think TNA needs to change the way wrestling is watched to set themselves apart and refresh the business.

[juggaloninjalee]

Wrestling PPV's are dead. The WWE aims their programming at kids and what kids have control of the television for 3 or 4 hours in the evening after their parents are home from work and a spare $50 every month to splash out on bigger shows?

That's why the 90's did big money. Adults have the money and control of the tv. Aim your shows towards kids and accept that ratings and PPV buys will drop but merch sales and live attendances will go up. Now MMA has the adult market, and men will get together; have a few beers, have some snacks and pool their money to watch a live event each month. Adult wrestling fans are then less inclined to buy to watch on their own so either ignore it or just torrent it.

TNA just gets the run downs of WWE. No matter how different they try to market their show.

TNA needs to abandon PPV's. They do nothing for the company and it just serves as some sort of perceived equal with the WWE. Do something new. Change the format. Do 3 hour tv specials at the end of each month instead. They'll be able to sell advertising for it, reach a larger audience and allow casual fans to tun into their best efforts as well as catching the conclusion of feuds and angles.

They don't even need a Big show. Big shows are there to draw big money. TNA neither draws large audiences or large buys so why bother? Go to weekly programming, set up a more flexible system. Nothing has to work it's way towards a monthly arc. Where all feuds reach a climax of sorts on the same show. Just do weekly tv, put the best matches on that you can, have the most absorbing feuds and just keep people coming back with no pressure to buy PPV's.

I dunno but I think TNA needs to change the way wrestling is watched to set themselves apart and refresh the business.

I love the idea of bimonthly tv specials. It makes sense and then people will watch since they won't feel ripped off.

[Fantabulous]

Interesting ideas in theory, and it's not like TNA have anything to lose at this point by taking such gambles, but ultimately pointless until TNA address their real problem. They drew a big initial audience in the Monday Night Slaughter era, and there tons of new viewers among them, but the product was such that none of them stuck around or stayed with them when they retreated back to Thursday.

[DaMegaFish]

Once again, can anyone prove TNA is bleeding money on PPV's? I understand PPV buy numbers are down but show me where TNA is losing a ton of money.

I don't see how giving away free TV shows as larger cards really helps that problem other than getting a rating spike (hopefully) once every couple/few months or whatever.

[Fantabulous]

Well, Janice Carter, Dixie's mother, was put in charge of the financial side of TNA a few months ago because they were losing so much money.

Some recently posted stories on TNA that raised eyebrows a few months ago:

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/3/7/2035024/working-conditions-in-tna-a-detailed-analysis

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/4/21/2125160/the-sad-story-of-shannon-daffney-spruill

And some blog entries from someone who used to work at TNA that don't paint the most flattering picture:

http://nawf.com/blog/?s=janice+carter

I know you'll probably still be heavily sceptical, but there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a fire.

[sebsplex]

Once again, can anyone prove TNA is bleeding money on PPV's? I understand PPV buy numbers are down but show me where TNA is losing a ton of money.

I don't see how giving away free TV shows as larger cards really helps that problem other than getting a rating spike (hopefully) once every couple/few months or whatever.

Yeah, this is pretty much the scepticism that I hold.

From a quality perspective, TNA should cut down the number of ppvs. They don't have the amount of hours per week the WWE have to build to such short event cycles, nor the depth in roster/talent (despite TNA's roster arguably being more bloated than it really should be). Bi-monthly or even simply hold four big events per year would be my preference. Maybe the odd TV special thrown into the mix to keep interest up (and throw in matches that end with dubious finishes, fall apart for storyline purposes, etc), but even then, without sorting out their other issues, at best you'd just have the same solid IMPACT veiwership tuning in and occasionally spiking before dropping off again.

However, from a financial perspective... who knows outside of TNA? Without any confirmed figures, I couldn't say for certain whether TNA hold ppvs just for er... poop and giggles or because they're bringing in significant income. I don't really care what their numbers are compared to the WWE's, because that's not a level playing field whatsoever, but unless there's some mystery obligation or some deluded view that the WWE's model of churning out lack-lustre sub-ppvs amongst the bigger events is the only way to go, I'm not sure outside of blind ignorance/stupidity why TNA couldn't just stop if the shows were bleeding money out of them. Half of them are aired from the IMPACT! Zone anyway, so they're not even sustaining costs associated with taking the operation to different venues *shrugs*.

Overall though, no tampering with the ppv schedule will address TNA's wider problems, such as their identity crisis as a promotion, their inconsistent and long-term booking failings, their much reported/speculated and criticised handling of talent outside of the ring (e.g. Daffney, their lesser lights on crap money, forgetting to fly wrestlers in for shows they're supposed to be on, etc) and stagnent growth, irrespective of money being thrown out, blah, blah.

Someone mentioned Paul Heyman being wrongly perceived as a genius, but as he touched in his interview piece, TNA is a company that really needs to get back to basics and work out what sort of product they're actually putting forward and build some sort of strategy to convey and successfully sell it. That was pretty much all Heyman really said. In his case, he'd build a product around younger talent, try and differentiate the wrestlers and concepts that TNA offers and market it. That's not outside-the-box thinking.

If TNA can't define what they're pushing, then how the hell is anyone else supposed to?

[BHK1978]

This is from Jeff Jarrett (I read it on another site):

On critics of TNA's creative:
"Keep being as critical as possible because it is absolute proof that you are watching in some shape, form or fashion. We're never gonna please everybody and I know that. When I say that I speak from experience, and I literally mean that, I can remember as a kid going to matches when I broke into the Tennessee territory. Instead of online chats and the internet and that kind of stuff, there used to be a group of anywhere from 50 fans to 150 fans to who knows at times hanging out at the back gate. They would be raising hell bitching, complaining and saying "How come this guy didn't do this? How come this guy didn't do that?" Back in that day professional wrestling was perceived on a different level, but there have always been very vocal critics of professional wrestling and one thing that I learned and I learned it from my grandmother was the most vocal critic is the one that never ever missed a Monday night or a Tuesday night in Louisville or a Wednesday - they never missed. Well I know that we're not gonna always bat one thousand not even close but we're gonna keep attempting and keep trying to hit the home run, keep trying to keep the ball in play and know going in that we're always gonna make mistakes. But at the end of the day, we're gonna stay focused and do the very best we can and when you're on the top rated show on your network, which we are at Spike you're doing something right."

You know he is right on what he is saying about the vocal critics. That seems to always be the case. I remember in the movie Private Parts when they were talking about Howard Stern's show. They were saying that the average Stern fan listens to his show for an hour and twenty minutes. While the average Stern hater will listen to him for two and a half hours.

I never understood that concept, why would you watch, read, or listen to something you hate and then complain about it. If you do not like it that much then do not bother with it.

[Jaysin]

This is from Jeff Jarrett (I read it on another site):



You know he is right on what he is saying about the vocal critics. That seems to always be the case. I remember in the movie Private Parts when they were talking about Howard Stern's show. They were saying that the average Stern fan listens to his show for an hour and twenty minutes. While the average Stern hater will listen to him for two and a half hours.

I never understood that concept, why would you watch, read, or listen to something you hate and then complain about it. If you do not like it that much then do not bother with it.

Totally agree

[Fantabulous]

Ah, that old chestnut.

Of course, then goes the vicious cycle; someone complains about TNA and is simply told don't watch it if you don't like it. After a while, they ask if TNA is still bas bad as they remember. They're asked if they watch it, say no, and are quickly told, usually by the same people who told them not to watch it in the first place, they can't criticize something they don't watch. So they take the challenge and watch TNA for while, to see if it's changed (invariably, they've been told it's improved or to give it a chance), and when they continue to complain because it's still the same TNA as it ever was, they're once again told don't watch it if you don't like it. They stop watching and then the cycle repeats itself over and over.

It's an easy out in an argument, primarily because it allows the actual problems not to be addressed and the people bringing up the complaints can be more easily dismissed, so I expect that from someone like Jeff Jarrett. But in a thread about TNA, well, sorry if people keep complaining and usually about the same things, but if you really want it to stop, you might want to to direct your thoughts the way of the people who keep making those some mistakes and keep failing to address those problems. Or you could just ignore the complaints because "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is a pretty lame mantra to begin with and just makes you come across like you're sticking your fingers in your ears.

[Hive]

Good post, Fantabulous.

[masterded]

Ah, that old chestnut.

Of course, then goes the vicious cycle; someone complains about TNA and is simply told don't watch it if you don't like it. After a while, they ask if TNA is still bas bad as they remember. They're asked if they watch it, say no, and are quickly told, usually by the same people who told them not to watch it in the first place, they can't criticize something they don't watch. So they take the challenge and watch TNA for while, to see if it's changed (invariably, they've been told it's improved or to give it a chance), and when they continue to complain because it's still the same TNA as it ever was, they're once again told don't watch it if you don't like it. They stop watching and then the cycle repeats itself over and over.

It's an easy out in an argument, primarily because it allows the actual problems not to be addressed and the people bringing up the complaints can be more easily dismissed, so I expect that from someone like Jeff Jarrett. But in a thread about TNA, well, sorry if people keep complaining and usually about the same things, but if you really want it to stop, you might want to to direct your thoughts the way of the people who keep making those some mistakes and keep failing to address those problems. Or you could just ignore the complaints because "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is a pretty lame mantra to begin with and just makes you come across like you're sticking your fingers in your ears.

Years ago I had a friend tell me about this movie called The Blair Witch Project and how great it was. So I went and saw it. I never listened to another movie suggestion from him again. The moral of the story is once someone tells you something that is blatantly wrong on insane you don’t listen to him or her the next time they tell you the same thing. This is not a comment on the quality of TNA or my opinion on TNA, just about how that circle only can happen to a crazy person who learns nothing from the past.

[Fantabulous]

Years ago I had a friend tell me about this movie called The Blair Witch Project and how great it was. So I went and saw it. I never listened to another movie suggestion from him again. The moral of the story is once someone tells you something that is blatantly wrong on insane you don’t listen to him or her the next time they tell you the same thing. This is not a comment on the quality of TNA or my opinion on TNA, just about how that circle only can happen to a crazy person who learns nothing from the past.
So very true. Of course, the problem is that when someone does say something like, "Well, you said things had got better the last time, and they hadn't", you almost always get a response along the lines of, "You just don't want to like...." whatever the topic is. You almost never get two people simply agreeing to disagree, and just letting the other say their piece without going on the attack.

[Jaysin]

Ah, that old chestnut.

Of course, then goes the vicious cycle; someone complains about TNA and is simply told don't watch it if you don't like it. After a while, they ask if TNA is still bas bad as they remember. They're asked if they watch it, say no, and are quickly told, usually by the same people who told them not to watch it in the first place, they can't criticize something they don't watch. So they take the challenge and watch TNA for while, to see if it's changed (invariably, they've been told it's improved or to give it a chance), and when they continue to complain because it's still the same TNA as it ever was, they're once again told don't watch it if you don't like it. They stop watching and then the cycle repeats itself over and over.

It's an easy out in an argument, primarily because it allows the actual problems not to be addressed and the people bringing up the complaints can be more easily dismissed, so I expect that from someone like Jeff Jarrett. But in a thread about TNA, well, sorry if people keep complaining and usually about the same things, but if you really want it to stop, you might want to to direct your thoughts the way of the people who keep making those some mistakes and keep failing to address those problems. Or you could just ignore the complaints because "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is a pretty lame mantra to begin with and just makes you come across like you're sticking your fingers in your ears.

That's the thing, people DON'T ask that. They continue to bash it based on BIASED reviews on the internet. I don't understand how it makes sense that if you do not like something, you still watch it. I stopped watching WWE because I stopped liking it. I started watching it again because I heard about Christian being in the title picture. It just seems like the mature thing to do in my eyes instead of going out of my way to watch something that doesn't entertain me to go "oh that sucks!"

[Hive]

I think people who watch TNA or WWE and complain about it really *want* to like it. They don't watch it just in order to have something to complain about, they watch it because they like wrestling and would really like to be treated with a good wrestling show. And when they are not delivered what they want, they might still watch it simply because there are no other options and in hope that if people voice their opinions, the people in power will listen and change.

Now what I don't get, on the other hand, is people who thinks either TNA or WWE is awesome and then keeps bashing the other. Those people have a show they like and can just as well leave the other be. But I understand people who doesn't fully enjoy either complaining and hoping for improvements.

[brashleyholland]

Now what I don't get, on the other hand, is people who thinks either TNA or WWE is awesome and then keeps bashing the other.

Because nothing in life - and I mean NOTHING - is more important than looking superior to another group of people on the internet. That's a true fact that is!

[juggaloninjalee]

The way I critique wrestling is no different than when I am critical of my favorite sports teams. Maybe I am unhappy with a signing or how they use people. Maybe I think the backup should be starting or instead of that run they did on 4th and 1 I thought they should play action pass? I think wrestling fans do the same thing with their shows.

[Dragon]

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[PoisonedSuperman]

I always thought it was pretty dumb to watch something that you don't like because then the ratings show that you watched it and it makes the show look better in the eyes of the producers, sponsors, network, etc. I mean talking about stuff on the internet isn't really going to get anything to change. If you want it to change you'd have to hit 'em where it hurts: the pockets. By not watching, not ordering pay per views, etc.

The problem is that normal wrestling fans outweight the internet fans who hate T.N.A... I don't want it change, I'm by no means the biggest fan of wrestling but I'd prefer it to be more like sports entertainment WWE then boring (in my opinion) old ROH.

[Fantabulous]

The way I critique wrestling is no different than when I am critical of my favorite sports teams. Maybe I am unhappy with a signing or how they use people. Maybe I think the backup should be starting or instead of that run they did on 4th and 1 I thought they should play action pass? I think wrestling fans do the same thing with their shows.

Some people are of the opinion that if you're critiquing something you're watching, you're hating it, and that you should just stop watching. What's funny is that these people usually hold the opposite view to the person doing the critiquing..sorry, criticizing.

I wonder if, for example, people unhappy with the ending of the current season of The Killing were brushed off with being told that if they didn't like it, they shouldn't watch it and what they had to say was ignored. Of course, Veena Sud responded to the negative reaction to the finale of her show in much the same way Jeff Jarrett did to the criticism of TNA; was happy with the criticism because, hey, it shows people are watching.

[brashleyholland]

I always thought it was pretty dumb to watch something that you don't like because then the ratings show that you watched it and it makes the show look better in the eyes of the producers, sponsors, network, etc. I mean talking about stuff on the internet isn't really going to get anything to change. If you want it to change you'd have to hit 'em where it hurts: the pockets. By not watching, not ordering pay per views, etc.

The problem is that normal wrestling fans outweight the internet fans who hate T.N.A... I don't want it change, I'm by no means the biggest fan of wrestling but I'd prefer it to be more like sports entertainment WWE then boring (in my opinion) old ROH.

The fact is (and I'm basing this off MMA, but from what I can gather it's twice as bad with wrestling as most wrestling is on free TV) is that you get a large majority of the online fanbase who watch these shows/fights for the sole purpose of jumping onto a forum and tearing them to shreds.

We have a significant number of guys who write into our site, or facebook/tweet us after EVERY UFC show goes off the air saying how UFC fights suck compared to Pride/Bellator/Dream/two hobos in a car park etc, that all UFC fighters play it safe, UFC rules suck, Dana White is running a monopoly, they want the three hours of their life back etc....Every. Single. Time. And it's the same guys, too.

Most of them have been watching MMA for a few years, in some cases many, many years, and literally haven't a clue what they're talking about. From what I see of many online wrestling fans (which is admittedly this website only and the odd wrestling discussion that pops up on an MMA forum I visit) its the same. The people who complain every week are the ones who think they could do it better because they rock at TEW, yet have no legitimate real world experience. But it's cool to bash WWE/TNA for stupid writing and lame booking while lamenting the days of Steamboat/Flair (which they probably only saw on Youtube because they were born in 1990 anyway).

These days I don't watch wrestling. If I'm working till 4am here in the UK, I'll maybe have TNA/WWE on in the background once in a while. But for the most part it I find insults my intelligence so I don't tune in. Like you say, these people are tearing it to bits while contributing to the ratings. I guess the small mercy is that these people are in reality such a small (if very vocal) percentage of the audience, that nobody who really matters is listening to them anyway.

[Fantabulous]

n/m

[juggaloninjalee]

I always thought it was pretty dumb to watch something that you don't like because then the ratings show that you watched it and it makes the show look better in the eyes of the producers, sponsors, network, etc. I mean talking about stuff on the internet isn't really going to get anything to change. If you want it to change you'd have to hit 'em where it hurts: the pockets. By not watching, not ordering pay per views, etc.

The problem is that normal wrestling fans outweight the internet fans who hate T.N.A... I don't want it change, I'm by no means the biggest fan of wrestling but I'd prefer it to be more like sports entertainment WWE then boring (in my opinion) old ROH.

People who watch TNA and WWE like wrestling. People that don't probably aren't watching.

I don't think people make themselves watch something they hate for 2 hours to go online and talk about how much they hate it. That shows a huge lack of inteligence if you ask me... unless they get paid to watch something they hate.

[sebsplex]

Some people are of the opinion that if you're critiquing something you're watching, you're hating it, and that you should just stop watching. What's funny is that these people usually hold the opposite view to the person doing the critiquing..sorry, criticizing.

This, but moreso the bolded section. Since when did criticism = hate? Sure, there are people out there who are borderline addicted to hating something, but this isn't exclusive to wrestling. Sports teams, game sites, movie forums, pretty much 90% of the videos on youtube, etc all have a portion of people who simply post to dump on something. Some to an extent that even if their initial complaint is corrected, they then complain about how long it took to do so or some other insignificant detail in this new resolution that justifies continued attack. Trolls don't just live underneath bridges and all that, but you can hardly extend this to everybody who has something negative to say.

As for Jarrett's piece. Eh, I get that there's no point trying to satisfy people you're never going to satisfy, but don't try to sell that all the criticism levelled at TNA is unjust bile from online obsessives or scrawny technerds. After all, how many times have their own (including current) employees commented negatively on aspects of the company? Kurt Angle, Eric Bischoff, Sting, etc.

[MasterJ]

Double J is right IWC fans are the dumbest people that think they know wrestling, and think they actually make a diffrence in ratings/what a promotion does only about 5% of veiwers are IWC veiwers. I hate the IWC's way of the "Perfect" product. Wrestling FANS not smarks but FANS dont wont 16 min. matches of TV. They wont 7-11 min. matches and angles/storylines that entertain. I fast foward through most of the wrestling matches in WWE/TNA in less its a high flying match ala X-Division/ Sin Cara. This is why I never really go on Wrestling forums. I come on this on for the game and mostly stay away from the WWE/TNA talk, because you can never tell an IWC fan they are wrong they have answers for everything.

I'm Done for now :)

[Blackman]

Some 30 min. matches can be epic in their own right, but mostly, yeah... the traditional matches can go a LOT shorter imo.

But matches need good moves though. TNA often has crapmatches, except the X-division of course, and the established stars' matches.

[GhostDogg]

You know something....Sting is kinda acting like...The Joker.


Am I wrong bout that?

[Jaysin]

You know something....Sting is kinda acting like...The Joker.


Am I wrong bout that?

It's already been said in this thread :p

Pretty decent match between Bully Ray and Scotty.

[GhostDogg]

Sorry its been a while...I needed to catch up..


oh and totally out of subject...


"The Protege.....will.....RETURN!!!"

Get Ready B**ches!!!

[Jaysin]

If Dakota Darsow is any good in the ring, then he has a huge fan in me already. That promo cracked me up.

Also, its fanfreakingtastic to see another local wrestler make it to the big 2 aka Shiima Xion(Zema Ion)

[Jaysin]

That triple threat was pretty good. If the focus on the X Division continues after Destination X, it'd be nice to get all three of those guys.

[GhostDogg]

I must admit, that was a pretty good match,
and I think good things might be happening for Shiima Xion...
(thats whats was his name on the Indy's)

[Jaysin]

It's great seeing a fire lit under Sting's ass in the ring again

[liontamer]

That triple threat was pretty good. If the focus on the X Division continues after Destination X, it'd be nice to get all three of those guys.

agreed. My only issue, was didn't the ref count to three before the one guy jumped to break up the pin near the end? That seems to happen a little too much in TNA.

solid match though. Also had me wondering, what is Creed up to? (btw I saw lethal is part of whatever this AWW thing is, so he is still sort of with TNA)

[Jaysin]

agreed. My only issue, was didn't the ref count to three before the one guy jumped to break up the pin near the end? That seems to happen a little too much in TNA.

solid match though. Also had me wondering, what is Creed up to? (btw I saw lethal is part of whatever this AWW thing is, so he is still sort of with TNA)

Creed is on a dev deal with WWE

[JackKnifed72]

I must admit, that was a pretty good match,
and I think good things might be happening for Shiima Xion...
(thats whats was his name on the Indy's)


Seen Shiima upclose at a few local indy shows about two years ago (ringside seats so maybe 6 feet from the ring) Great high-flyer type with some innovative moves...unfortunetly he is pretty small and that will make it hard for him to get very far in the US. Shame though 'cause he's got a ****ton of talent


...

[angeldelayette]

If Dakota Darsow is any good in the ring, then he has a huge fan in me already. That promo cracked me up.

Dakota is a pretty nice guy outside the ring, at least when he was younger. I don't know about nowadays but I used to wrestle with him in amateur wrestling back in the day. So it's good to see him on Impact Wrestling even if it is in a loss.

[sebsplex]

It's already been said in this thread :p

Pretty decent match between Bully Ray and Scotty.

I've been really impressed with how Ray's carried himself since the Team 3D split. Sure, he's always been an effective heel and most of the Bully Ray gimmick isn't new ground for him, but he's put out some really solid promos and matches.

That triple threat was pretty good. If the focus on the X Division continues after Destination X, it'd be nice to get all three of those guys.

Hopefully TNA will consider using a few more occasional talents for the X-Division after Destination X. Use the matches as spotfests to pop the crowd and interchange several of the workers to keep them and their offence fresh, mixing them with a few static regulars.

[juggaloninjalee]

I am just wondering... is Jeff Hardy still under contract? Did he go into rehab? What's going on with that?

[sebsplex]

I am just wondering... is Jeff Hardy still under contract? Did he go into rehab? What's going on with that?

Not entirely sure, although I think his ongoing court case was supposed to get wrapped up sometime this week.

[MasterJ]

Last I heard Sting said Jeff is riding his bike 10 miles a day and is in the best shapes he's been in a long time, and that he is straighting out his "Personal" problems.

[Jaysin]

Last I heard Sting said Jeff is riding his bike 10 miles a day and is in the best shapes he's been in a long time, and that he is straighting out his "Personal" problems.

Sting heard that from Matt Hardy. I am a massive Hardy fan, but they don't seem to think Jeff even has a problem.

[Fantabulous]

The Hardy boys are perpetual screw-ups and their level of denial and delusion borders on comical.

[Jaysin]

http://theelijahexpress.com/node/2290

Great little read from the Pope.

[ShaunGBD]

I thought their was gonna be a 3 way for Joe Vs AJ Vs Daniels. Then I look online and it only AJ vs Daniels what happened?

[Jaysin]

They never said it was going to be a triple threat. AJ accepted Daniels challenge on Impact.

[Jaysin]

and they announced on their website that Joe is facing Kazarian anyways.

[angeldelayette]

Gotta love the Sting joker facepaint!

[Jaysin]

Gotta love the Sting joker facepaint!

I agree!

Pretty good opening segment.

[brashleyholland]

So fans start booing Sting, and a guy called BULLY does a face promo about not liking guys who bully people. Makes sense.

[angeldelayette]

So fans start booing Sting, and a guy called BULLY does a face promo about not liking guys who bully people. Makes sense.

That last did make me laugh. A guy named Bully Ray saying he doesn't like bullies.

[angeldelayette]

D-Von's win over Samoa Joe was surprising.

My money's on Low Ki winning this upcoming match.

[Jaysin]

Pretty sure it was supposed to be comical...

Anyways, Matt Bentley chopped all his hair off :eek:

I can't believe Yang is wearing his Flying Elvis stuff hahahaha

I'm so pumped for this match

[Jaysin]

I wish they could just keep all these guys in the qualifiers.

[angeldelayette]

A very good threeway match between Low Ki, Matt Bentley and The Flying Elvis Jimmy Yang. Definitely something that I enjoyed.

[haloed]

A very good threeway match between Low Ki, Matt Bentley and The Flying Elvis Jimmy Yang. Definitely something that I enjoyed.


Really enjoyable match. Yang is a super good athlete and does some amazing things and I've always enjoyed Low Ki in the ring. He's just fun to watch.


Edit- C-verse worker Mikey James just got a mention on Impact. LOL

[Jaysin]

Bentley just looked weird with short hair, but it doesn't look like he's lost a step since he left the TNA

[Jaysin]

Madison <3

[brashleyholland]

That blond one (Angelina? Yeah, Angelina) is disgusting....like, eating disorder thin. Yuck.

[Teh_Showtime]

missed the opening segment, but I dont think I wanted to.see it.

But Mickey James is quite the SuperWoman, eh

[haloed]

That blond one (Angelina? Yeah, Angelina) is disgusting....like, eating disorder thin. Yuck.

Couldn't agree more.

[angeldelayette]

Not a bad looking Knockout in the bunch in my opinion. I was hoping that Velvet would come out and reunite The Beautiful People again after the argument between Angelina and Winter.

[Teh_Showtime]

No, they are all good looking. Angelina just look.like she is 90 pounds.

[Jaysin]

It really looks like she lost weight. Which isn't good.

I still find her attractive though, just wish she'd eat some sammiches

[Teh_Showtime]

I love RVD. His arrogant charisma has had me hooked for over a decade.

[Jaysin]

Seriously considering getting a group of people together to order Destination X.

I haven't ordered a pay per view in a good 5 years...at least.

I am really excited for Destination X though and I'd like to at least help support the pay per view.

[brashleyholland]

I still find her attractive though, just wish she'd eat some sammiches

Any woman that doesn't know her way around a large portion of fish and chips or a donner kebab just isn't going to get along with me.

[Jaysin]

Any woman that doesn't know her way around a large portion of fish and chips or a donner kebab just isn't going to get along with me.

I don't usually go for twigs earlier, but I do like Angelina. Must be the tattoos.

[angeldelayette]

Destination X looks like it's going to be amazing. Just those two matches are enough: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels and Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn.

I don't have the money to get the pay-per-view but I will definitely be buying the dvd eventually.

Already drooling for the 4-way match next week.

[Jaysin]

Quick question since I missed a few weeks of Impact. Is the fatal fourway for the contract an Ultimate X match or just a standard four way?

I haven't heard Ultimate X mentioned yet, but there has to be an Ultimate X match.

[Teh_Showtime]

I missed last week but Im pretty sure it is an Ultimate X match.

edit: nice counting, Hebner ;)

[Jaysin]

God I love them damn Brits. Magnus is so great on the mic. I never realized how tall he was either.

Mexican't Wrestle better not go over.

[angeldelayette]

British Invasion versus Mexican America? Might be interesting.

[angeldelayette]

Am I the only one who adds in the 'Holla if you hear me?' whenever I hear Scott Steiner's music? lol.

[angeldelayette]

All in all, I would say a very good edition of Impact Wrestling. I sat down and enjoyed it from beginning to end.

[Jaysin]

Am I the only one who adds in the 'Holla if you hear me?' whenever I hear Scott Steiner's music? lol.

Nope! I definitely do.

[Jaysin]

All in all, I would say a very good edition of Impact Wrestling. I sat down and enjoyed it from beginning to end.

As did I :)

[Teh_Showtime]

I wasnt too keen on some of the backstage segments tonight, but outside of that it was the latest in a string of good shows.

[MasterJ]

I'm calling for Jay Lethal to come back at Destination(SP) X in the four way, or in the Kendrick/Abyss match. So in the Abyss/Kendrick match Kendrick is being beat down 3 on 1 Jay Leathal and the winner of the Four way match(Aries or Lo Ki) run in and take down Abyss, which sets up a Abyss V. Winner of four way match V. Jay Lethal for the title at Hardcore Justice.

[Hive]

I'm calling for Jay Lethal to come back at Destination(SP) X in the four way, or in the Kendrick/Abyss match. So in the Abyss/Kendrick match Kendrick is being beat down 3 on 1 Jay Leathal and the winner of the Four way match(Aries or Lo Ki) run in and take down Abyss, which sets up a Abyss V. Winner of four way match V. Jay Lethal for the title at Hardcore Justice.

I read yesterday that TNA and Lethal did talk about him participating at Destination X, but that the deal fell through.

[1234]

I read yesterday that TNA and Lethal did talk about him participating at Destination X, but that the deal fell through.

Isn't Lethal part of that All Wheels Wrestling thing that Jarrett is doing?

If so it wouldn't surprise me to see him back.

[Hive]

Isn't Lethal part of that All Wheels Wrestling thing that Jarrett is doing?

If so it wouldn't surprise me to see him back.

Yes he is. But I repeat what I read yesterday: they talked about Destination X, but it fell through.

[Teh_Showtime]

Yeah he had an interview somewhere, he said he is not going to be there.

[20LEgend]

- Mexican America suck. IF they bring in Chavo. Keep him away from these losers.

- Joker Sting is growing on me, but I still am not keen as other people seem to be.

- Good X match, better than last week, think I preferred the 1st one with Aries in.

- Angelina is back normal and accepting it?!?!?!

- Steiner is better as heel, but silly considering he came in as part of They V2 against Immortal.

- D-Von winning :eek: wtf

- For me Gunner is losing his bad ass mystery the more he speaks but he's still okay.

- Rob Terry turn lol.

- Jerry Lynn!