The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[BHK1978]

- Mexican America suck. IF they bring in Chavo. Keep him away from these losers.

I agree, any group where Hernandez is the leader is bound to suck. Neither he nor Anarquia speak all that well. They could use someone like Konnan (And I say like, meaning not Konnan because the last I heard he is suing them.) to serve as their talker.

- Angelina is back normal and accepting it?!?!?!

Yeah that to me seemed like TNA's admission that the gimmick sucked and they knew that they needed to find a way out of it. Not that the out they chose to use made sense.

- Steiner is better as heel, but silly considering he came in as part of They V2 against Immortal.

I just want Steiner to go away. I have not been a fan of his since he became a singles wrestler.

[Jingo]

Yeah that to me seemed like TNA's admission that the gimmick sucked and they knew that they needed to find a way out of it. Not that the out they chose to use made sense.

It seems to me that i'm possibly the only person in the world that was enjoying this!? Maybe that says more about me tough than it does TNAs booking.

[BHK1978]

It seems to me that i'm possibly the only person in the world that was enjoying this!? Maybe that says more about me tough than it does TNAs booking.

Not at all, I enjoyed it but at the same time I knew it was bad. I enjoy wrestlecrap so that is probably why I liked it. Plus Winter is so hot it doesn't matter what weird storyline they put her in just as long as she is on television.:D

[MasterJ]

[QUOTE=BHK1978;1663278]I agree, any group where Hernandez is the leader is bound to suck. Neither he nor Anarquia speak all that well. They could use someone like Konnan (And I say like, meaning not Konnan because the last I heard he is suing them.) to serve as their talker.
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Isn't Konnan the booker for AAA. If so he must not have too much against TNA because of the working agreement and Double J being the AAA Champion.

[The Final Countdown]

Isn't Konnan the booker for AAA. If so he must not have too much against TNA because of the working agreement and Double J being the AAA Champion.
I think I read somewhere that Konnan is very much against AAA's association with TNA.

[Fantabulous]

I agree, any group where Hernandez is the leader is bound to suck. Neither he nor Anarquia speak all that well. They could use someone like Konnan (And I say like, meaning not Konnan because the last I heard he is suing them.) to serve as their talker.
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Konnan and TNA have settled their problems, for the same reason most problems in wrestling get settled; business. Jeff Jarrett is the new AAA World Mega Something or other Champion, so they're working together to some extent. But I don't think Konnan has the time or inclination to be an active part of TNA storylines.

[Fleisch]

Not at all, I enjoyed it but at the same time I knew it was bad. I enjoy wrestlecrap so that is probably why I liked it. Plus Winter is so hot it doesn't matter what weird storyline they put her in just as long as she is on television.:D

Could not agree more... Winter is only 1 of 3 reasons I still watch Impact.

[Jaysin]

Winter is one of the few reasons I want to not watch Impact.

That's saying something considering I've been aboard the TNA train since day 1 :p

[Hive]

Meh, Winter is overrated. She's not even in my top 20 of hot female wrestlers/wrestling personalities.

[Jaysin]

Meh, Winter is overrated. She's not even in my top 20 of hot female wrestlers/wrestling personalities.

I have separate lists for women I like in wrestling for their ability and one for their appearance. Winter isn't on either list. She's overrated in both aspects in my opinion.

Daffney is in the top 3 in both though :D

[Fleisch]

Meh, Winter is overrated. She's not even in my top 20 of hot female wrestlers/wrestling personalities.

Lol. Overrated, such an over used word on forums. Wouldn't life suck if we all liked the same women. :eek: Shes been in my top 20 females within wrestling since 2003 and if that means I'm not in the "GDS" cool kids club... I guess I'll have to try not losing any sleep over it. :p

[Jaysin]

Lol. Overrated, such an over used word on forums. Wouldn't life suck if we all liked the same women. :eek: Shes been in my top 20 females within wrestling since 2003 and if that means I'm not in the "GDS" cool kids club... I guess I'll have to try not losing any sleep over it. :p

Different strokes for different folks...

[Jingo]

Lol. Overrated, such an over used word on forums. Wouldn't life suck if we all liked the same women. :eek: Shes been in my top 20 females within wrestling since 2003 and if that means I'm not in the "GDS" cool kids club... I guess I'll have to try not losing any sleep over it. :p

I'll join you in the not cool kids club .. Been a big fan since i saw her live i think was summer of 03 or 04 when she was fueding with The Family with Ulf Hermann and Alex Shane.

[Fleisch]

I'll join you in the not cool kids club .. Been a big fan since i saw her live i think was summer of 03 or 04 when she was fueding with The Family with Ulf Hermann and Alex Shane.

Yeah I remember her dive off the balcony onto The Family at Frontiers of Honor.

[Teh_Showtime]

Am I the only one who thinks Joker Sting is TERRIBLE.

It's making for confusing situation between Sting who looks to be an unsympathetic face, and Hogan as a symapthetic heel. When you throw Immortal into all of that it gets worse. And then add on top of all of that Gunner and Anderson, who seemingly switch between face and heel every show with their actions.

It really confuses me

[Jingo]

Am I the only one who thinks Joker Sting is TERRIBLE.

It's making for confusing situation between Sting who looks to be an unsympathetic face, and Hogan as a symapthetic heel. When you throw Immortal into all of that it gets worse. And then add on top of all of that Gunner and Anderson, who seemingly switch between face and heel every show with their actions.

It really confuses me

I quite like the Joker Sting i must be honest but ... Completely agree on the Anderson stuff i really dont know if he's an Heel or a Face!? And who is in Immortal now!? That wrestles i mean is it just Gunner!?

[Jaysin]

Am I the only one who thinks Joker Sting is TERRIBLE.

It's making for confusing situation between Sting who looks to be an unsympathetic face, and Hogan as a symapthetic heel. When you throw Immortal into all of that it gets worse. And then add on top of all of that Gunner and Anderson, who seemingly switch between face and heel every show with their actions.

It really confuses me

Lots of people hate it, but I've also seen a lot of people loving it. Sometimes Sting goes over the top and seems fake with it, but I feel he's doing a pretty decent job and its good to seem him still passionate and wanting to change it up after all these years.

Anderson has always been like that though. The face/heel switcheroo I mean. He's an *******, that's his schtick.

I feel like the thing with Gunner is they're trying to get fans into him one way or another. I like the dude and I'm glad they got him away from Murphy.

I seem to be the only one that likes Gunner and Crimson. Not that I really want either one to get the Brock Lesnar or Goldberg push into the title picture, but I do like both of them as workers.

[Fleisch]

Am I the only one who thinks Joker Sting is TERRIBLE.

It's making for confusing situation between Sting who looks to be an unsympathetic face, and Hogan as a symapthetic heel. When you throw Immortal into all of that it gets worse. And then add on top of all of that Gunner and Anderson, who seemingly switch between face and heel every show with their actions.

It really confuses me

Immortal was a great concept, but as with alot of storylines in TNA, they complicated it and completely screwed it up. With Anderson and Gunner, I find myself scratching my head in utter confusion. As for the Sting "Joker" gimmick... I actually like it. I don't know why, maybe its my secret love for Wrestlecrap, but I just found myself enjoying it. It could also be that I have no sympathy for Hogans character.

I seem to be the only one that likes Gunner and Crimson. Not that I really want either one to get the Brock Lesnar or Goldberg push into the title picture, but I do like both of them as workers.

I like them both too. I think witha bit of work and the right stories they could be extremely valuable to the company in terms of future stars.

[Jaysin]

I quite like the Joker Sting i must be honest but ... Completely agree on the Anderson stuff i really dont know if he's an Heel or a Face!? And who is in Immortal now!? That wrestles i mean is it just Gunner!?

Bully Ray, Scott Steiner, Gunner and seemingly Anderson :p

[Jingo]

Bully Ray, Scott Steiner, Gunner and seemingly Anderson :p

Oh yeah, how could i forget Bully Ray. Scott Steiner!? Really!? Wait .. I haven't seen this last Impact yet ..

[Jingo]

I seem to be the only one that likes Gunner and Crimson. Not that I really want either one to get the Brock Lesnar or Goldberg push into the title picture, but I do like both of them as workers.

I'm also on the, i like Crimson team .. I just wish he got abit more personality than just being there .. But guess thats what happens when you have a roster of seemingly 200 and only 2 hours of TV time.

[Hive]

Lol. Overrated, such an over used word on forums. Wouldn't life suck if we all liked the same women. :eek:

True that. It's a highly subjective topic, and using the word "overrated" was actually a poor choice of words by me.

Winter is certainly fairly hot, but compared to so many other female performers she does very little for me. SoCal Val on the other hand... wowza.

[Jaysin]

True that. It's a highly subjective topic, and using the word "overrated" was actually a poor choice of words by me.

Winter is certainly fairly hot, but compared to so many other female performers she does very little for me. SoCal Val on the other hand... wowza.

Gotta go ew on the SoCal Val thing. Butterface in my opinion.

Scotty Steiner and Anderson are two new members of Immortal and they're probably only there because TNA realized that most of Immortal couldn't wrestle.

Bully Ray has been there for awhile though and Bully Ray is still the biggest surprise and one of the best things about Impact Wrestling this year in my opinion.

[MasterJ]

Quick question how long have all of yall been watching TNA? I started watching right before they got picked up on Spike and have loved all of it. I watched a couple time in 02-03 but it was just terriable i mean midgets jacking off in trash cans...Really? TNA is bigger than WWE were I am which is in the Raleigh NC area.

[Jaysin]

Quick question how long have all of yall been watching TNA? I started watching right before they got picked up on Spike and have loved all of it. I watched a couple time in 02-03 but it was just terriable i mean midgets jacking off in trash cans...Really? TNA is bigger than WWE were I am which is in the Raleigh NC area.

Been watching since almost the very beginning. I didn't get to order the weekly ppvs, but back when Xplosion was a public access show that was just a recap of the ppvs, I watched that every week.

[20LEgend]

Am I the only one who thinks Joker Sting is TERRIBLE.

No you are not, :D it's bad IMO

[Stennick]

I bought the first ever three or four pay per views. I watched while they were on Fox Sports and I just tuned in last week. That being said there are stretches where I don't watch the show at all. I'll go nine months without watching as how, watch two and go 12 months without watching one. They change direction/focus so much and so quickly that anytime they do something that I'm interested in they stop doing that two weeks later.

[Teh_Showtime]

I used to watch TNA in its early days. Been a on and off watcher since about 2006. Watched more when Impact was 1 hour.

I miss James Mitchell, awesome manager.

[Wrestling Century]

I like them both too. I think witha bit of work and the right stories they could be extremely valuable to the company in terms of future stars.

LOL :p Do you really think that TNA will even have any stories that will make them stars? I like TNA, but their track record with making new stars is horrible IMO.

[liontamer]

I'm not sure what I thnk on Joker sting yet. I like the intensity and edge, simliar to his change when they first went to mondays. That said some of his new mannerisms are odd and the angles this past impact were akward. While I like suspense, I honestly can't tell if the plan is to turn sting into a crazy heel (maybe someone boking in TNA is an RTruth fan?) or if he will be vindicated this time like the last.

[Fleisch]

LOL :p Do you really think that TNA will even have any stories that will make them stars? I like TNA, but their track record with making new stars is horrible IMO.

Probably not but that's the problem in general with wrestling. There are not many talented writers about.

[Fantabulous]

Probably not but that's the problem in general with wrestling. There are not many talented writers about.

Making new stars is easy in the sense that if you look at the history of wrestling, there are countless examples of how to make a star and you really just need to follow the blueprint of what's worked before and make any tweaks required by changing times.

The problem is that with so much emphasis placed on writers and writing, it doesn't actually take a lot creative writing to make stars, but you're not going to get a writer to admit that or subscribe to that philosophy because they'd be cutting their own throat when it comes to being useful, ie: worth employing. So instead of simply doing what's worked before and what will work again, you've got writers trying to prove their worth with a bunch of 'creative' and complicated storylines that actually do nothing to create new stars.

[Gabbo]

It's just the process is so bloated now it's hard to get anyone set on one straight vision. You have two separate creative teams of 5 or 6, giving you almost 12 men with differing ideas. They all then answer to McMahon and Laurinaitis before things are green lit to have 6 or 7 backstage agents all give differing advice on how to deliver promos or work matches. It's way too bloated. It seems like any of the big successes we've had over the last few years have been accidental rather than a genuinely successful massive push that was executed well.

I don't want to harp on about the Attitude Era but it was Russo writing everything, McMahon made the slight changes as he saw fit and then wrestlers worked with Patterson and (not or) Brisco to put together matches and whatnot.

[sebsplex]

Bully Ray, Scott Steiner, Gunner and seemingly Anderson :p

And Abyss... I think. I guess the Hardys are still in the mix if/when they return.

I seem to be the only one that likes Gunner and Crimson. Not that I really want either one to get the Brock Lesnar or Goldberg push into the title picture, but I do like both of them as workers.

I'm indifferent to Crimson, but I do like Gunner. Good look, nice intensity, decent in the ring, although I'd prefer him to talk a little less.

They change direction/focus so much and so quickly that anytime they do something that I'm interested in they stop doing that two weeks later.

Yeah, it's quite easy to watch 3-4 shows and suddenly think you've missed one inbetween or that you've missed when so-and-so turned, etc.

[Teh_Showtime]

is it me or does Kendrick look a.lot.like Drew McIntre? Like his short big brother.

[angeldelayette]

I am very impressed with Jack Evans. He and Anthony Neese were the two standouts in that match out of the three IMO.

[MasterJ]

Jack Evans is trending on twitter

[Jaysin]

Gah. I got Red Faction Armageddon today so I was enthralled in that and missed the first 40 or so minutes. Did I miss anything? I started watching right before the Jack Evans match.

[haloed]

I am very impressed with Jack Evans. He and Anthony Neese were the two standouts in that match out of the three IMO.

I liked all three of those guys. But yea Neese and Evans stand out for sure. The stuff Evans can do is insane, although the standing moonsault to break up the pin was not needed, even if it looked cool.

[haloed]

Gah. I got Red Faction Armageddon today so I was enthralled in that and missed the first 40 or so minutes. Did I miss anything? I started watching right before the Jack Evans match.

Kendrick stole Abyss's mask, got beat up. Crimson beat Roode and leads the BFG series in points. Opener had Immortal/ Anderson/ Sting/ Angle.

[angeldelayette]

Gah. I got Red Faction Armageddon today so I was enthralled in that and missed the first 40 or so minutes. Did I miss anything? I started watching right before the Jack Evans match.

Mr. Kennedy/Anderson/whatever is being given until the end of the show to determine whether he's Immortal or not.

The Brian Kendrick got beat up by Abyss and said a lot of, well, odd stuff.

Crimson beat Robert Roode.

[Jaysin]

God I love Sting

[angeldelayette]

Is it just me or does Sting remind everyone else of old school Jim Carrey? I can see him doing Firemarshal Bill. lol.

[Teh_Showtime]

I need more Jack Evans on my tv. Never saw the 630 on TV until then. That 4 way match will be intriging

[angeldelayette]

Here we go! Gonna whet my appetite with this 4-way!

[Jaysin]

Get Ready To Fly!

[Teh_Showtime]

Lynn and RVD have amazing chemistry

[angeldelayette]

Something tells me that The Pope is not going to win the BFG series. lol.

[DaMegaFish]

Lynn and RVD have amazing chemistry

This post would only exist on a board from 1999 or a thread about TNA...12 years later.

[Jaysin]

Something tells me that The Pope is not going to win the BFG series. lol.

I wish he'd make some sort of amazing comeback. I miss Pope being pushed

[Teh_Showtime]

I expected Anderson to hit Angle with the chain. Somehow it was predictable...

[Jaysin]

Its only a matter of time until the fans turn Anderson face again. The dude can't stay heel if we have anything to say about it :p

[jonlawson]

I think that whole "tag" thing with Anderson was hilarious

[cappyboy]

You know, sometimes I think Remi is a little too arbitary in this distaste for things that are mainstream. Then I see the response the mainstream gives a mimic like Anderson and I sympathetize with him. I bet if you showed me Anderson's X-rays, even his bones would be synthetic.

[Jaysin]

You know, sometimes I think Remi is a little too arbitary in this distaste for things that are mainstream. Then I see the response the mainstream gives a mimic like Anderson and I sympathetize with him. I bet if you showed me Anderson's X-rays, even his bones would be synthetic.

What do you mean a mimic?

[liontamer]

Anyone know the ratings for the last several weks impacts? I'd be curious to see if they are going up because they've been progressively more solid in terms of action. If they do go up, I wonder if they'll get the hint and continue pushing the x-divison or if it's going to fade out like the ECW thing.

[MasterJ]

Anyone know the ratings for the last several weks impacts? I'd be curious to see if they are going up because they've been progressively more solid in terms of action. If they do go up, I wonder if they'll get the hint and continue pushing the x-divison or if it's going to fade out like the ECW thing.

1.2 the last 3 weeks after taking a hit due to the NBA finals

[Rone Rivendale]

I also think Sting is more Jim Carrey than Joker. I am enjoying it though.

[cappyboy]

What do you mean a mimic?

There's an old line that says "He who is the most creative conceals his sources the best." Anderson comes off like he doesn't know and doesn't care. It's so easy to pick out when he's trying to come off like The Rock or The New Age Outlaws or whoever else he's modeling himself after. If he doesn't put me to sleep that is. I think I can count the number of times I've believed his words might actually be coming from him on one hand and have fingers left over. He's a mimic. He does everybody else's material so he doesn't have to tax himself being organic.

[Teh_Showtime]

The only thing sure about Ken Anderson, is nothing is for sure!

[Jaysin]

There's an old line that says "He who is the most creative conceals his sources the best." Anderson comes off like he doesn't know and doesn't care. It's so easy to pick out when he's trying to come off like The Rock or The New Age Outlaws or whoever else he's modeling himself after. If he doesn't put me to sleep that is. I think I can count the number of times I've believed his words might actually be coming from him on one hand and have fingers left over. He's a mimic. He does everybody else's material so he doesn't have to tax himself being organic.

I have never gotten that impression from him. He's always entertained the hell out of me on the mic and he was incredibly nice when I met him

[Astil]

I have never gotten that impression from him. He's always entertained the hell out of me on the mic and he was incredibly nice when I met him

For what it's worth I agree with Jaysin. I think he's entertaining and I don't see Rock/ NAO from him at all.

[MasterJ]

For what it's worth I agree with Jaysin. I think he's entertaining and I don't see Rock/ NAO from him at all.

Yea I agree with Jaysin and Astil I dont see that at all

[Stennick]

Ninety nine percent of this board would agree that Anderson is being Anderson. Brother Cappy has his own way of looking at the world and its workings and thats why we keep him around :) Keep on keepin on Brother Cappy

[Hashasheen]

I agree with Cappy. I've never felt him do much of an organic character while in TNA. It's been a mix of his WWE persona and stuff cribbed from Austin.

[Astil]

Ninety nine percent of this board would agree that Anderson is being Anderson. Brother Cappy has his own way of looking at the world and its workings and thats why we keep him around :) Keep on keepin on Brother Cappy

I'm not saying his opinions not valid, just throwing in my $0.02

[20LEgend]

There was a time when I really thought he was trying to be like Steve Austin, and then I saw his shoot where he spoke about Austin being the guy who got him interested in wrestling so I thought he was bound to be influenced by him.

I find him fairly annoying, especially during the "where's my rematch!" time.

[ZMAN]

Yeah, I refuse to give in to Anderson being the "next Austin" or the next anything really. The guy was average in WWE (could have been pretty big if they had put him into that one storyline with Vince), and he's still average at everything in TNA. He hasn't done anything clever even though people are all over his schlong with the whole ******* thing for some reason.

[angeldelayette]

It has been a long time since I've bought a professional wrestling pay-per-view. But 44.95 for Destination X? Yeah, I'll be waiting for it to come out on DVD. Thanks.

[20LEgend]

It has been a long time since I've bought a professional wrestling pay-per-view. But 44.95 for Destination X? Yeah, I'll be waiting for it to come out on DVD. Thanks.

Are TNA PPVs always this price?

[dvdWarrior]

It has been a long time since I've bought a professional wrestling pay-per-view. But 44.95 for Destination X? Yeah, I'll be waiting for it to come out on DVD. Thanks.

Holy Jumping Dog Dookie! 44.95? I knew WrestleMania was spensive, but I hadn't realized TNA PPVs were that high.

Bad news for Broke Folk, such as myself.

:(

[angeldelayette]

Are TNA PPVs always this price?

I have no idea. It's been a long time since I've even looked to purchase a pay-per-view. That's what happens when you're jobless for over a year. lol.

Holy Jumping Dog Dookie! 44.95? I knew WrestleMania was spensive, but I hadn't realized TNA PPVs were that high.

Bad news for Broke Folk, such as myself.

:(

Exactly! They would do better lowering the price during this recession. They could probably make it up in volume if the price was somewhere around 15-20 bucks? I would be able to get it for that price.

[BHK1978]

Exactly! They would do better lowering the price during this recession. They could probably make it up in volume if the price was somewhere around 15-20 bucks? I would be able to get it for that price.[/CENTER]

I agree, I would buy it for 15 to 20 dollars but if it really is $44 there is no way in hell I am paying that kind of money for it. I will just read the results.

[dvdWarrior]

I would say I'd buy it for $15-20 myself, but, seeing as how I haven't seen a PPV live as it happened since Survivor Series 2002, I dunno if I honestly would.

I've gotten so used to being a "wait for the DVD" kind of guy, I dunno if I'd change.

I'd like to think I would though. I prolly would. I know I'd like to see Destination-X.

It's just not a $44.95 kind of like to see.

[BHK1978]

I would say I'd buy it for $15-20 myself, but, seeing as how I haven't seen a PPV live as it happened since Survivor Series 2002, I dunno if I honestly would.

I've gotten so used to being a "wait for the DVD" kind of guy, I dunno if I'd change.

I'd like to think I would though. I prolly would. I know I'd like to see Destination-X.

It's just not a $44.95 kind of like to see.

I agree with you, I cannot even remember the last time I bought a PPV. It might have been some WCW PPV back in like 1998 or so.

Actually I think I bought one of the weekly TNA PPV's back when they first opened.

[tjb000]

Wait? People actually buy TNA PPVs?

:rolleyes:

Seriously though, I seem to recall hearing reports about TNA having pretty bad PPV buyrates and that lots of people actually stream the PPV illegally for free.

I haven't gotten a wrestling PPV since... 99 or 2000 I think. Back then it was like $30 or so.

[Teh_Showtime]

Last PPV I ordered was WM23. I thought TNA PPVs were like $20 or something as recently as Genesis. And with the lack of hype $45 is laughable.

[haloed]

Huh, according to my cable provider the Destination X PPV is $34.99. I'm super tempted to order it. Could be one of their best shows yet.

[Jaysin]

The last TNA ppv I paid for was Against All Odds 2005 :p

I've seen 90% of them live though ;)

[20LEgend]

Huh, according to my cable provider the Destination X PPV is $34.99. I'm super tempted to order it. Could be one of their best shows yet.

I've just read something (which was about the price for Slammiversary) which says it was $35 SD and $45 in HD, so it might be the same for this.

Edit: Just read on wiki GenMe vs. tba at the PPV, is this true, or has someone made his up :p

[angeldelayette]

Huh, according to my cable provider the Destination X PPV is $34.99. I'm super tempted to order it. Could be one of their best shows yet.

I go through DirecTV so the price I quoted came from DirecTV.com. It might be different for cable outlets?

[Jaysin]

Not sure, I know Douglas Williams is giving out an open challenge though.

[haloed]

I go through DirecTV so the price I quoted came from DirecTV.com. It might be different for cable outlets?

That could be, plus the HD thing mentioned about makes some sense too I guess. Do you have HD?



Plus one of the members of Gen Me said they would be part of Destination X, so I wouldn't be surprised if they shove a tag match with them in it without bothering to advertise it until the show actually happens.

[Fantabulous]

Given some of the matches, I am tempted to watch Destination X spoiler-free the next day. But I have absolutely no faith, none at all, that TNA won't find some way to screw things up.

[20LEgend]

I go through DirecTV so the price I quoted came from DirecTV.com. It might be different for cable outlets?

If you go on Directv webiste, the page I'm assuming you were on says "Available Formats[?] : SD , HD"

By default it has a tick next to HD, if you select SD on the site the price is 34.99

http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/main/7/18917392487.jpg

[angeldelayette]

If you go on Directv webiste, the page I'm assuming you were on says "Available Formats[?] : SD , HD"

By default it has a tick next to HD, if you select SD on the site the price is 34.99

http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/main/7/18917392487.jpg

It could be. I just kind of took what was there after searching for TNA Destination X. 34.95 is still a little too pricey for me, especially with NCAA Football 2012 coming out on Tuesday and Madden NFL 2012 coming out next month.

[ShaunGBD]

I'm honestly watching it for free, I go out to watch WWE PPV, I will watch this PPV for free. It might be better then anyone WWE puts out lately.

[nucleardonkey]

I seriously believe the two main events alone (AJ/Daniels and RVD/Lynn) will make it well worth the $35 price tag so I didn't hesitate to actually pay for it making it my first PPV since Mania that I've paid for and my first TNA PPV since Hardcore Justice. I'm predicting this to be the best PPV of the year.

[Slagaholic]

Ultimate X was a fun match. The finish was a little clumsy but I can't imagine it's easy to climb that jungle gym while 20 feet in the air.

EDIT: Oooh Low-Ki said TNA...twice! Ooooh

[JTandSilentBob]

I want Low Ki to win. Then I want Elix Skipper to come back. Then I want XXX to reform. Ahhh fantasy booking.

[nucleardonkey]

I want Low Ki to win. Then I want Elix Skipper to come back. Then I want XXX to reform. Ahhh fantasy booking.

I never cared much for Skipper. I'd much rather see either Shiima or Evans win and see what a fresh face in can do.

[JTandSilentBob]

I never cared much for Skipper. I'd much rather see either Shiima or Evans win and see what a fresh face in can do.

Don't get me wrong. I hated Prime Time by himself. But that Stable was my favorite TNA stable ever. They were in probably the best steel cage match TNA has ever had. I felt they meshed so well.

Individually I'd much rather have Austin Ares win. I feel like he has more long term staying power than Evans or Shiima.

[Teh_Showtime]

I second Aries too. He could be a multiple time champ and have matches with the likes of Kaz, Joe, and Shelley

[JTandSilentBob]

Jerry Flynn > Jerry Lynn

I kid I kid.

Good Match. Would of been a great story of Jerry Lynn being frustrated if Mike Tenay didn't tell us he was frustrated every 3 seconds.

[Slagaholic]

LOL @ the "EVERYBODY" chant

[JTandSilentBob]

OMFG. I loved that match. Really. Sign them all. Or maybe everybody but Zema Ion. Didn't show me too much.

[i effin rule]

If they actually use Aries, it might give me a reason to watch TNA.

[nucleardonkey]

As long as the main ends clean I'm saying this is the best PPV put on by either WWE or TNA in the past 2 years at least.

[JTandSilentBob]

As long as the main ends clean I'm saying this is the best PPV put on by either WWE or TNA in the past 2 years at least.

Really?

The Abyss vs Kendrick match was slow, and overbooked. Abyss bloodied from a Kendrick punch?

The Doug Williams vs Whomever match was awkward and should have been done on TV, or Xplosion.

And Eric Young/Shark Boy vs GenMe was a good match but lacked name power.

The 4 way match was good though, Lynn/RVD was decent, but they've done better and I missed Joe/Kaz but I doubt it was a 5 Star Classic.

Personally, I enjoyed Mania much better. But I was there live so I might have had a different experience than anybody else. Dream come true for me.

Not to mention the TNA crowd kills this stuff for me. "Every-Body" really? Really?

[nucleardonkey]

Really?

The Abyss vs Kendrick match was slow, and overbooked. Abyss bloodied from a Kendrick punch?

The Doug Williams vs Whomever match was awkward and should have been done on TV, or Xplosion.

And Eric Young/Shark Boy vs GenMe was a good match but lacked name power.

The 4 way match was good though, Lynn/RVD was decent, but they've done better and I missed Joe/Kaz but I doubt it was a 5 Star Classic.

Personally, I enjoyed Mania much better. But I was there live so I might have had a different experience than anybody else. Dream come true for me.

Not to mention the TNA crowd kills this stuff for me. "Every-Body" really? Really?

I don't buy the name power thing on Gen Me vs. Young/Sharky I just watched it for what it was meant to be, a fun semi-comedy match.

Abyss/Kendrick was building on the story they've been telling for the past month or so with Abyss. It was slow because he was showing his dominance. The blood from the punch to me made since because of where it was, in reality it's not the hard to split an eyebrow if you hit it right.

I agree on Williams/Haskins though. They should have brought in a bigger name there.

As far as openers go Kaz/Joe was a killer match, not 5* but easily 3*.

I was really disappointed in Mania. The only good match was Taker/HHH in my opinion. But that seems to be the way Mania is now...one amazing match and 9 sub-par - terrible matches.

This to me as been wrestling as I know it...mostly clean finishes, straight up athletic bouts, stories that didn't involve 1000 restarts, run ins, and ref bumps.

In my opinion this is the best PPV in a long time.

[Slagaholic]

You enjoyed a WrestleMania which you saw live better than a show you watched on your TV/Computer? You don't say!

[MasterJ]

Best PPV from WWE or TNA in a very very very long time. Show of the year

[nucleardonkey]

Best PPV from WWE or TNA in a very very very long time. Show of the year

100% agreed. Hopefully they've learned something from this and realize just how much they need the X division to be the focus of the company.

[JTandSilentBob]

You enjoyed a WrestleMania which you saw live better than a show you watched on your TV/Computer? You don't say!

Were you looking to start an internet war? I gave my 2 cents on the PPV. Nuclear's opinion about the PPV is just as valid as mine because you can't really decide whether a PPV is "the best" unless you go by numbers.

I've been to RAW, SMACKDOWN, and ECW house shows but I didn't think they were better than the RAW, Smackdown, or ECW tv shows. I went to the Extreme Rules PPV where Cena beat Batista via tape and didn't think that was the best PPV that year.

And I stated I might have a different view than someone else.

It was a very good PPV, but IMO it wasn't the best. Nuclear thinks it was, and thats perfectly fine. But there is a fine line between discussing, which we were doing, and openly looking for a fight. I am not looking for a fight.

[Jaysin]

Were you looking to start an internet war? I gave my 2 cents on the PPV. Nuclear's opinion about the PPV is just as valid as mine because you can't really decide whether a PPV is "the best" unless you go by numbers.

I've been to RAW, SMACKDOWN, and ECW house shows but I didn't think they were better than the RAW, Smackdown, or ECW tv shows. I went to the Extreme Rules PPV where Cena beat Batista via tape and didn't think that was the best PPV that year.

And I stated I might have a different view than someone else.

It was a very good PPV, but IMO it wasn't the best. Nuclear thinks it was, and thats perfectly fine. But there is a fine line between discussing, which we were doing, and openly looking for a fight. I am not looking for a fight.

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic

[MasterJ]

Were you looking to start an internet war? I gave my 2 cents on the PPV. Nuclear's opinion about the PPV is just as valid as mine because you can't really decide whether a PPV is "the best" unless you go by numbers.

I've been to RAW, SMACKDOWN, and ECW house shows but I didn't think they were better than the RAW, Smackdown, or ECW tv shows. I went to the Extreme Rules PPV where Cena beat Batista via tape and didn't think that was the best PPV that year.

And I stated I might have a different view than someone else.

It was a very good PPV, but IMO it wasn't the best. Nuclear thinks it was, and thats perfectly fine. But there is a fine line between discussing, which we were doing, and openly looking for a fight. I am not looking for a fight.

Yes you can which had better content and between DX and WM it is clearly DX Lockdown was better than WM too, but WM sucked this year.

[JTandSilentBob]

Yes you can which had better content and between DX and WM it is clearly DX Lockdown was better than WM too, but WM sucked this year.

But what is better content is a matter of OPINION. People may think ROH's Best In the World ppv really was the Best In The World, but theres no way of judging that. Theres no unanimous decision. I enjoy seeing 5 minutes of the Rock talk more than I do seeing Abyss on my TV with a bloody face for 10 minutes, you may not.

By the numbers WWE beats TNA almost every single time. Mania will outdraw all of TNA's PPVs for the year combined.

Like I said though. It's a matter of opinion.

[MasterJ]

But what is better content is a matter of OPINION. People may think ROH's Best In the World ppv really was the Best In The World, but theres no way of judging that. Theres no unanimous decision. I enjoy seeing 5 minutes of the Rock talk more than I do seeing Abyss on my TV with a bloody face for 10 minutes, you may not.

By the numbers WWE beats TNA almost every single time. Mania will outdraw all of TNA's PPVs for the year combined.

Like I said though. It's a matter of opinion.

Your right diffrent opinions for diffrent people.

[The Final Countdown]

First TNA PPV I've ordered in 6 years or so. There wasn't anything on there that I personally enjoyed as much as Davey Richards vs. Eddie Edwards from Best in the World two weeks ago, but still a very enjoyable show.

[Astil]

Yes you can which had better content and between DX and WM it is clearly DX Lockdown was better than WM too, but WM sucked this year.

I disagree. I went into Mania not expecting much but Taker HHH was amazing, the Miz character was better than any character in TNA. It's such a simple, yet poignant message "I'd rather be hated for all that I am than loved for something I'm not." Edge vs ADR was good too, especially now since Edge had to retire due to injuries.

That said, I don't think TNA can do anything as dumb as Christians two day title run. :mad:

[Slagaholic]

Grrr! *shows his teeth*
I'm not starting a fight I'm just pointing out your bias. You can claim there isn't one all you want but there is. It is neigh impossible for one to go to their first ever WrestleMania, the culmination of a childhood dream, and then compare that show fairly with another PPV by another company that you watched on a screen and not in person.

I haven't and won't pick a side on how good this PPV is compared to other PPVs because it's the first PPV I've watched from start to bottom in a long long time.

[jjohns44]

Well I got to see this event live and I found it to be incredibly entertaining and the matches were excellent! Not every single one of them, I made fun of mini-Edge during his match with Williams.

I think the 'overbooking' of Kendrick vs. Abyss worked in the storyline sense. It was a great ending to see the X-Division strike back against the guy looking to end it.

And in my opinion, I love TNA crowds as opposed to WWE. They don't care if there are matches with midcarders, they'll still chant and cheer for the wrestlers: watch WWE on TV and the crowd is dead most of the time, including when wrestlers make returns or debuts. If they're not Cena or Orton, they don't care! I also liked we got to chant 'Every-body' during that match, who could you really root for? Wouldn't you want to sign them all?

Much better event of TNA's than how they've been.

[Self]

Mark Haskins! Yeah! Big fan of the guy. Really happy for him to get the chance to go over there. He's one of our best indy stars, and has worked a lot with Dragon Gate. Tiny man, but I dig him.

[sebsplex]

Were you looking to start an internet war? I gave my 2 cents on the PPV. Nuclear's opinion about the PPV is just as valid as mine because you can't really decide whether a PPV is "the best" unless you go by numbers.

I was with you until you mentioned going by the numbers. Using that logic, WM9 (inc Giant Gonzalez vs Undertaker, Yokozuna's 2 minute title reign) was probably a better event than pretty much anything the WWE have put on since 2001. ;)

As for DX, I found it a really enjoyable ppv. It's hard to really stack it up against other ppvs though, since it had the novelty factor of being a one-off showcase for the X-Division and tbh, I do like variety in my wrestling. Glad to see Aries take the contract, although if there weren't so many other XD guys on the books, I'd take Low-Ki and Evans in as well. Nice to see Shark Boy pop up too... or submerge if you will.

The acid test will be how TNA treat the Division from here on.

[Moe Hunter]

Lynn/RVD was decent, but they've done better
Wait, you're saying that these guys had better matches 15 years ago when they were in their prime? They're not like HBK and Undertaker, where storytelling and psychology are more important than the spots and workrate...

[20LEgend]

31/2 hours because of that PPV. RVD/ Lynn made up for itself towards the end. I REALLY, REALLY think Joe in a three way would have been much better. EY is awesome. Shark Boy!!! Also, I thought Joe really looked like he was enjoying himself.

AJ Daniels, had a burnt out crowd as well as missing Joe and being a bit long, would have liked BK vs. Abyss to be longer, making it seem less and less like BK would win, but I enjoyed that. I'll have to go back and watch the main event as I was SUPER tired, but I enjoyed it.

Just remembered, Ultimate X was underwhelming, but contract match was sweet.

As for the crowd

-ve
Everybody chant

+ve
Sign them all chant.
Did I also here "Hogan Boo! Wrestling Yay!"

[Hive]

After reading a bit about the matches and results, I was really interested in this PPV. Then people started comparing it to the horrible Wrestlemania from this year, and claimed that was a better PPV, which made me lose all interest again. :(

[20LEgend]

After reading a bit about the matches and results, I was really interested in this PPV. Then people started comparing it to the horrible Wrestlemania from this year, and claimed that was a better PPV, which made me lose all interest again. :(

People will always complain. It didn't live up to the huge expectations IMO, but it was still a great PPV compared to most others. But it is still good.

I preferred it to this years WM tbh

[Fantabulous]

I wouldn’t have beaten Samoa Joe on a PPV built on the idea of showcasing the X-Division when Joe is, and has been presented as, the biggest standout in its history. Eric Young’s entire gimmick and personality comes off as such an unbelievable low-rent joke that it’s comical for a national promotion to devote any kind of time to him. Yeah, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and TNA are family and all that bull**** they like to purport, but everything about him is a complete joke. And let’s not even get into the Shark Boy crap. I know what the idea behind the Brian Kendrick/Abyss feud was, but the execution has been so inept and ill-conceived, that they may as well just retire the X-Division title at this point. Kendrick has been treated like less than zero for weeks, in a way where he doesn’t even come across as sympathetic figure but as a joke that lacks any kind of credibility. And when the X-Division guys came out to make the save, it just came off like a cast of jobbers running in when they didn’t even bother putting anyone with serious name value in there. Couldn't even muster the interest to make it through the main event and turned off a few minutes in.

I saw the majority of the PPV, though, and comparisons to this years Wrestlemania are comical. Wrestlemania was a step down from the heady heights of years gone by, but it was a fairly good show that was still several levels above Destination X.

[tommyb]

I really enjoyed the PPV. I'm not normally a huge TNA fan, and I hadn't watched the last three or four episodes of Impact leading in, but despite missing any build-up I still thought it was very good. I enjoyed the matches for the matches, when normally I'm more of a fan of stories.

That being said, there was one unbelievably annoying woman in the crowd I kept hearing. I thought the crowd was really good, in general, but this woman just needed to shut up.

[20LEgend]

Well I thought this years WrestleMania was awful and the fact Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole, as well as Snooki were on the show, yet Sheamus and Daniel Bryan were in a crappy dark match / battle royal made me sick. Not to mention the Rock's 10 minutes at the start that could have been used and the annoying, stupid segments with Snoop Dogg. If the matches had been better I would have accepted it but IMO they weren't.

[Fantabulous]

Edge/Alberto was solid. Nothing great but they looked good for the time they had. Cody/Rey was a decent midcard match. Orton/Punk was a good match where everything they did looked crisp and nothing looked bad or botched. Undertaker/Triple H was pure spectacle and really dramatic near the end and the fans ate it all up. There was some really bad stuff elsewhere, but no show with matches like that can credibly be called 'awful'.

[20LEgend]

Awful was a huge exaggeration actually, don't know why I put that :p

[Teh_Showtime]

Tommy, missing impact didnt miss any buildup. The main and semi main (Styles/Daniels and RVD/Lynn) were just hyped as epic rematches. The #1 contender match was 4 people who were not seen in forever

[Jaysin]

Edge/Alberto was solid. Nothing great but they looked good for the time they had. Cody/Rey was a decent midcard match. Orton/Punk was a good match where everything they did looked crisp and nothing looked bad or botched. Undertaker/Triple H was pure spectacle and really dramatic near the end and the fans ate it all up. There was some really bad stuff elsewhere, but no show with matches like that can credibly be called 'awful'.

Edge/Alberto, Cody/Rey, Orton/Punk were all TV quality matches. None of them stepped their game up for Wrestlemania. Didn't do anything that set their matches on a higher level than a random Raw or Smackdown match.

Taker/Triple H is really the only above match that was really worth talking about.

[Teh_Showtime]

I would argue that none of those matches got enough time. 15 minutes for the WHC match and less for the others is the amount they get on tv. No time to take it to the next level.

[Jaysin]

I would argue that none of those matches got enough time. 15 minutes for the WHC match and less for the others is the amount they get on tv. No time to take it to the next level.

All that does is lay the blame on WWE. Doesn't help matters at all really.

And a match doesn't have to be a 20 minute epic battle to be a good match, they just need to find a way to set it apart from their matches on FREE tv or what's the point in ordering Wrestlemania?

[Hive]

Edge/Alberto, Cody/Rey, Orton/Punk were all TV quality matches. None of them stepped their game up for Wrestlemania. Didn't do anything that set their matches on a higher level than a random Raw or Smackdown match.

Taker/Triple H is really the only above match that was really worth talking about.

Agreed. Except that Undertaker/Triple H was a bit too heavy on finisher-spots for my taste. My favourite match was Edge/Del Rio (though it was way too short), and that was the opener iirc - so it all sort of went downhill from there from my persective. And all the angles, even those with The Rock, were awful.

Wrestlemania as a whole wasn't bad per se, it just wasn't anything special either. And that's my problem with it: when you hype something as the biggest and best of its kind, you better deliver.

[jjohns44]

Wrestlemania as a whole wasn't bad per se, it just wasn't anything special either. And that's my problem with it: when you hype something as the biggest and best of its kind, you better deliver.

especially if it's going to cost your audience 70 bucks to order, I mean, they're all about being for the "fans and universe" right? :P

[Hive]

Heh I just noticed a funny advertisement for TNA's next PPV:

Hardcore Justice promises to be the most barbaric Pay-Per-View event of the year, featuring the sadistic monster Abyss and many more of your favorite IMPACT WRESTLING Superstars like Hulk Hogan, Mr. Anderson, Sting, Kurt Angle , AJ Styles , Rob Van Dam , Beer Money, Gunner and more!

[Jaysin]

Watching Destination X right now, JB is a really nice surprise behind the announce table. I always liked him as a backstage interviewer and he's cool as hell to talk to in person, but his announcing is a welcome relief from the garbage that is modern wrestling commentary(this excludes Taz/Tenay, Josh Matthews, and Matt Striker).

[Jaysin]

Austin Aries's line about people watching on illegal streams being "so called" wrestling fans kind of bugged me. I've supported TNA since day one and I only watch online because I don't have money to pay for it. I don't believe this makes me any less of a wrestling fan.

[ShaunGBD]

Austin Aries's line about people watching on illegal streams being "so called" wrestling fans kind of bugged me. I've supported TNA since day one and I only watch online because I don't have money to pay for it. I don't believe this makes me any less of a wrestling fan.

Well, It's illegal if you have the money or not. I was in a Justin.Tv chat room when it was said and people went nuts thought it was funny. if it bugs you that much, then buy it. Look I don't usually illegal watch PPV. I downloaded ROH "Best In The World" and last night TNA, I go out for WWE PPV. Did it bug me when he said it? No not really, I thought it was funny. Honestly I think pop shot likes that show you that TNA know its a problem and trying to do something about it. I don't have a problem with the comment.

I've supported TNA since day one and I only watch online because I don't have money to pay for it.

Look I might get ripped for it, but to me it's hard to say you support something when you don't pay for it. I supported WWE. I paid for WM (split it with a friend) I go to live events sometimes. But to say you support it but don't put money into it. So if TNA went out of business, you would say well, I watch your product but never paid, how does that help pay the bills?

I'm not here to rip you just how I feel.

[Jaysin]

Well, It's illegal if you have the money or not. I was in a Justin.Tv chat room when it was said and people went nuts thought it was funny. if it bugs you that much, then buy it. Look I don't usually illegal watch PPV. I downloaded ROH "Best In The World" and last night TNA, I go out for WWE PPV. Did it bugged me? No not really, I thought it was funny. Honestly I think pop shot likes that show you that TNA know its a problem. I don't have a problem with it.



Look I might get ripped for it, but to me it's hard to say you support something when you don't pay for it. I supported WWE. I paid for WM (split it with a friend) I go to live events sometimes. But to say you support it but don't put money into it. So if TNA went out of business, you would say well, I watch your product but never paid, how does that help pay the bills?

I'm not here to rip you just how I feel.

What bothered me was that he said we aren't real wrestling fans because we're streaming it. I know its illegal, and if I had the money I would buy it because I want to support the company, but I've had NEGATIVE 12 dollars in the bank for the last month almost.

Being poor doesn't make me any less of a wrestling fan.

and, I've spent at minimum of a thousand dollars on TNA in the last few years. So yeah, I've supported them with my money.

[Self]

Watching the PPV. Dug the opener. Not a squash, but a fairly one sided ass-kicking with the other dude just barely staying in there. Different from the indy stuff I've been watching, which tends towards the toe-to-toe side of things.

As I said earlier, I'm a Haskins fan. Seemed to be playing up the heel side of his persona a bit, with the coat and all. I feel a little bad for the guy. Seemed to have trouble with the six sided ring. The angles on the turnbuckles not working out for him.

[haloed]

Apparently Gen Me have asked and were granted their release from Impact Wrestling.

[Self]

Apparently Gen Me have asked and were granted their release from Impact Wrestling.

I am totally stoked. DGUSA. ROH. CHIKARA. So many promotions they can saunter into and have great tag matches. I was gutted when their ROH match with Cole & O'Reilly was a DVD exclusive, and not on the ippv. They were wasted in TNA.

Just finished watching their match with Shark Boy & the fabulously bearded Eric Young. Perfectly decent match, but nothing compared to the Buck's showings at this year's PWG DDT4.

[Fantabulous]

A non-shocker that TNA have essentially run off a young and hungry team. However, like Self said, there a bunch of places they can go to have good-to-great matches, improve their talents, and either become mainstays in ROH or eventually return to TNA for another disappointing run.

[Hive]

Austin Aries's line about people watching on illegal streams being "so called" wrestling fans kind of bugged me. I've supported TNA since day one and I only watch online because I don't have money to pay for it. I don't believe this makes me any less of a wrestling fan.

Now I haven't watched the show, but only read about it, and from what I read it sounded like Austin Ares is a heel in TNA... and if that's the case, it's his job to rile you up. :p

[BloodyKnuckles]

I'm one of the guys who chooses to ignore TNA shows for the most part, but they have so many wrestlers that I like and the X-Division themed PPV intrigued me so I tuned in and watched Destination-X. I'm pretty glad that TNA didn't drop the ball with this show, start to finish every match was pretty good and the crowd was way into it.

I thought the Joe/Kaz match was great, RVD/Lynn was great, Styles/Daniels, but man did the four-way with Aries, Evans, Low Ki, and Ion (?) absolutely stole the show. I remember catching some of Jack Evans' stuff in that MTV wrestling show a couple years back, but I didn't realize how awesome of a high-flier he really is. That 630 splash is really something. I'm a big fan of Low Ki and Austin Aries too, I really hope TNA at least brings back those three.

So yeah, great show for me especially because I'm a cruiserweight action mark. I think I'll tune into Impact this week to see what else is going on in the company.

Also, am I the only one who thinks "Stone Cold" Shark Boy is awesome? I was laughing so hard when he showed up and Eric Young goes "So you'll be my partner??" and Shark Boy says "Shell Yeah!" That part just really cracked me up.

Good stuff TNA.

[Jaysin]

Now I haven't watched the show, but only read about it, and from what I read it sounded like Austin Ares is a heel in TNA... and if that's the case, it's his job to rile you up. :p

True :p

[Self]

Aries sounded fairly babyface about it to me. What I took from it is "People are constantly asking for more X Division stuff. Here's a 100% X Division PPV. If you pay for the show, you're actively supporting this style of wrestling by showing that it draws money. If you pirate it, you're not showing that it draws money. Which hurts the X Division in the eyes of the business folk that run wrestling."

Saying "So-called" wrestling fans is calling out those fans who want something for nothing. They want, want, want wrestling, but aren't prepared to actually support it by opening up their wallets.

[BHK1978]

Also, am I the only one who thinks "Stone Cold" Shark Boy is awesome? I was laughing so hard when he showed up and Eric Young goes "So you'll be my partner??" and Shark Boy says "Shell Yeah!" That part just really cracked me up.

No you are not the only one, I love the "Stone Cold" Shark Boy give. I am gald he is back and I hope they keep him around for more shows.

I read that Orlando Jordan was also let go. Which in all honesty is not that big because they were doing nothing with him anyway.

[Rone Rivendale]

TBH, I really would have liked to see Jack Evans in TNA rather than Austin Aries.

[Jaysin]

Aries sounded fairly babyface about it to me. What I took from it is "People are constantly asking for more X Division stuff. Here's a 100% X Division PPV. If you pay for the show, you're actively supporting this style of wrestling by showing that it draws money. If you pirate it, you're not showing that it draws money. Which hurts the X Division in the eyes of the business folk that run wrestling."

Saying "So-called" wrestling fans is calling out those fans who want something for nothing. They want, want, want wrestling, but aren't prepared to actually support it by opening up their wallets.

Not everyone can open their wallet.

[brashleyholland]

What bothered me was that he said we aren't real wrestling fans because we're streaming it. I know its illegal, and if I had the money I would buy it because I want to support the company, but I've had NEGATIVE 12 dollars in the bank for the last month almost.

Being poor doesn't make me any less of a wrestling fan.

and, I've spent at minimum of a thousand dollars on TNA in the last few years. So yeah, I've supported them with my money.

This is an oft-repeated argument when it comes to digital media theft. Whichever way you choose to look at it, it's still theft and it's hurting something you claim to be a fan of. You're essentially taking money out of guys pockets who for the most part make very little money anyway. Whether that makes you any less of a wrestling fan or not will be interpreted differently by those who share your views and the guys who's pockets you're taking money out of.

The "I can't afford it/I've given them money before" argument doesn't wash with me. I've had IPod's ever since they came out. I've owned a Mac and my Mrs had an IPhone. We've spent a lot of money with apple over the years. I really want a new IPad, so tonight I'm going to break into the Apple store and steal one. I'm a big fan of Apple products, but I can't afford it this month. Sure, if everyone else in my town does the same thing then eventually our Apple store will get closed down, but hey, at least I got my IPad! Now who's up for Angry Birds?

You said that being poor doesn't make you any less of a wrestling fan, but lets not get enjoyment confused with entitlement here. You're not entitled to something for free, just because you enjoy it. Nothing against you personally mate, just the argument. :)

[ShaunGBD]

This is an oft-repeated argument when it comes to digital media theft. Whichever way you choose to look at it, it's still theft and it's hurting something you claim to be a fan of. You're essentially taking money out of guys pockets who for the most part make very little money anyway. Whether that makes you any less of a wrestling fan or not will be interpreted differently by those who share your views and the guys who's pockets you're taking money out of.

The "I can't afford it/I've given them money before" argument doesn't wash with me. I've had IPod's ever since they came out. I've owned a Mac and my Mrs had an IPhone. We've spent a lot of money with apple over the years. I really want a new IPad, so tonight I'm going to break into the Apple store and steal one. I'm a big fan of Apple products, but I can't afford it this month. Sure, if everyone else in my town does the same thing then eventually our Apple store will get closed down, but hey, at least I got my IPad! Now who's up for Angry Birds?

You said that being poor doesn't make you any less of a wrestling fan, but lets not get enjoyment confused with entitlement here. You're not entitled to something for free, just because you enjoy it. Nothing against you personally mate, just the argument. :)

What I was trying to say, you just said it better.

[Jaysin]

Ok before this turns into a giant ethics debate. :p

I finished Destination X and I'm going to agree with those saying it was a better show than Wrestlemania. Not a really weak match on the card in my opinion.

[tommyb]

I finished Destination X and I'm going to agree with those saying it was a better show than Wrestlemania. Not a really weak match on the card in my opinion.

I think it was better as a one off event than Wrestlemania. The quality of the wrestling was higher. However, I think I was more emotionally invested in the stroylines and characters at Wrestlemania and so, perhaps, enjoyed it more. They were very different types of show, so I think it's hard to compare them. Wrestlemania was more about story-telling, whereas Destination X was more of a showcase of talent within the X-Division.

[James0]

Destination X was great but TNA/IMPACT needs to bring in MORE young stars like Aries, Evans, etc. It would push the older guys away.

[Self]

Ok before this turns into a giant ethics debate. :p

I finished Destination X and I'm going to agree with those saying it was a better show than Wrestlemania. Not a really weak match on the card in my opinion.

My interpretation of Aries' words wasn't so much to spark a conversation on ethics, than it was to find his definition of a 'real' versus a 'so-called' fan. I took it not as "Who loves wrestling more?" but as "Who is more valuable?". Which is the dude spending money. I know if I was a wrestler I'd be far more appreciative of fans who bought my merchandise, and attended shows I was on, than the guys who sit at home, just Youtubing my stuff. Doesn't matter which one truly appreciates the art of pro wrestling.

Not everyone has money. Hell, I got a letter from the bank the other day that wasn't too friendly. You're not a bad person. Or less appreciative of the art. But you are less valuable to the business.

[Tha Black Phenom]

and, I've spent at minimum of a thousand dollars on TNA in the last few years. So yeah, I've supported them with my money.

Then technically, it shouldn't bug you if you look at it this way. You know you've invested and supported the company in different areas; there's a chance Aries just said that to rile up the fans who literally haven't supported TNA in squat - and just flawlessly tune in month in and month out without giving a dime. I'm sure everyone knows there are different profits other than PPVs. Then again, that may be still of a buggy thought for those who've been fairly unfortunate financally for ages, but eh..

[Wrestling Century]

I'm a big fan of both TNA and WWE, but if I don't have enough money for a PPV that I want, I simply don't get to watch it, or I'll have to wait until I have the money to buy it on DVD. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who pirate any kind of media, so can we please end this discussion and have everybody become friends again please? :)

[Jaysin]

Well according to Kid Kash, he's signed with TNA. I'm pretty stoked about it. Always been a fan of the guy and he's a talented worker. Hopefully they try to sign Jack Evans, Low Ki, and Zema Ion too. Even though that would kind of cheapen Austin Aries's win Sunday.

[MasterJ]

Well according to Kid Kash, he's signed with TNA. I'm pretty stoked about it. Always been a fan of the guy and he's a talented worker. Hopefully they try to sign Jack Evans, Low Ki, and Zema Ion too. Even though that would kind of cheapen Austin Aries's win Sunday.

Not if they did an "Invasion" angle with Kash, Evans, Senshi, and Ion

[Rone Rivendale]

Isn't Kash in his 40's?

[Fantabulous]

Isn't Kash in his 40's?

Well....no, never mind; too obvious a joke to make.

In other TNA news, the Torch is reporting that Dixie and Hulk held a meeting of the talent prior the Tuesday taping, with the message of telling the talent to improve their storytelling in the ring. Apparently, no one took it seriously, because of TNA's long-standing tradition of being super focused on an idea for a month or two and then dropping it altogether for something different. Also rumblings of some of the talent in their prime or about to hit their prime considering jumping to WWE in the next year or two, but that's not really new news.

[Jaysin]

Well....no, never mind; too obvious a joke to make.

In other TNA news, the Torch is reporting that Dixie and Hulk held a meeting of the talent prior the Tuesday taping, with the message of telling the talent to improve their storytelling in the ring. Apparently, no one took it seriously, because of TNA's long-standing tradition of being super focused on an idea for a month or two and then dropping it altogether for something different. Also rumblings of some of the talent in their prime or about to hit their prime considering jumping to WWE in the next year or two, but that's not really new news.

According to "sources", Robert Roode has been doing that for years :rolleyes:

[Jaysin]

http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/2825-IMPACT-WRESTLING-Signs-Austin-Aries-More-Stars-Coming-To-The-X-Division

Awesome news.

[MasterJ]

According to "sources", Robert Roode has been doing that for years :rolleyes:

Yea but in reality he has turned down WWE 2 times and the last time was about a year ago.

Has a top TNA start ever really jumped ship to WWE? R-Truth did but he hadn't been in TNA for 2 years.

[angeldelayette]

Yea but in reality he has turned down WWE 2 times and the last time was about a year ago.

Has a top TNA start ever really jumped ship to WWE? R-Truth did but he hadn't been in TNA for 2 years.

The one name that immediately springs to mind for that would be Christian.

[Stennick]

The reason a lot of TNA stars don't jump ship is because there is no interest in them from the WWE.

When Joe's contract was up it was widely reported that they didn't even so much as CALL the guy.

TNA guys fall into two categories, guy's like Gen Me (I know they're gone now), Amazing Red, etc. guys they have no interest in bringing in due mostly to size and look.

And guys that have been there and done that before. Steiner, Hardy, Moore, Dudleyz, etc

In my opinion the only two guys on the roster that could have any real success in the WWE are Anderson and Pope both of which were already there and had fairly mild success before being released for one reason or another. They wouldn't know what to do with AJ Styles, the only people that have ever made Joe the least bit interested are ROH. I due think Alex Shelly could have been a big deal but that was back in 05 when he was doing his papparatzi gimmick with Nash.

I think its telling they would rather cherry pick from ROH and other places. Guys like Punk, Tyler Black, Kings of Wrestling, Danielson, etc.

[Killagy]

The one name that immediately springs to mind for that would be Christian.

Meh, his previous affiliation with WWE kind of fizzles that point out. Now, in terms of someone who has been there from the start and a constant figure in the upper-midcard and main event picture, AJ Styles really comes to mind. But I long ago wrote off the possibility of him jumping ship, he's too loyal.

[Jaysin]

Yea but in reality he has turned down WWE 2 times and the last time was about a year ago.

Has a top TNA start ever really jumped ship to WWE? R-Truth did but he hadn't been in TNA for 2 years.

I was mocking Fantabulous's post about TNA wrestlers leaving.

[Jaysin]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I LOVE STING. So over the top and ridiculous, but god so awesome.

[Teh_Showtime]

What the hell was that?

It's not like he does a bad job, but Im just tired of Sting, Bishoff Hogan and the crew. This is 2011, not 1998

[Jaysin]

Really dug that triple threat match

[Teh_Showtime]

Cool finish to that match. Shame that those 3 have a combined 7 points

[SaySo]

Cool finish to that match. Shame that those 3 have a combined 7 points


You mean 10 points right. Submission count for 10.

[angeldelayette]

You mean 10 points right. Submission count for 10.

Robert Roode pinned Samoa Joe before he tapped. So therefore pinfall=7 points.

[Jaysin]

I know nothing about AAA, but is that REALLY their Main Event title? I feel like my backyard wrestling promotion's title looks more pro than that :p

[Teh_Showtime]

nice vid package and Aries ftw

[angeldelayette]

Love the clown masks. Reminds me of Pennywise from It.

So Shannon Moore dominates the match on Aries' "debut?" Not very smart, IMO. But it's done and at least Aries got the win.

[Jaysin]

Love the clown masks. Reminds me of Pennywise from It.

So Shannon Moore dominates the match on Aries' "debut?" Not very smart, IMO. But it's done and at least Aries got the win.

You're the one person that thought of It instead of the Dark Knight :p

[Teh_Showtime]

I think we will have to deal with Joker Sting until at least October. Hopefully it gets better

[Jaysin]

I'm thoroughly enjoying it, but I am not enjoying the free credit commercials every commercial break. Its bad enough I had to suffer through that band live ugh

[angeldelayette]

You're the one person that thought of It instead of the Dark Knight :p

I own it but I've seen Dark Knight maybe once in my life. It was good but not in my top five favorite movies. Neither is It, though. lol. But sometimes it's nice to bring in another perspective. :)

[Jaysin]

I own it but I've seen Dark Knight maybe once in my life. It was good but not in my top five favorite movies. Neither is It, though. lol. But sometimes it's nice to bring in another perspective. :)

Different perspectives are always good.
Mmmm Madison Rayne is on my TV

[angeldelayette]

Different perspectives are always good.
Mmmm Madison Rayne is on my TV

Madison Rayne is even better than different perspectives. :D

[Jaysin]

Madison Rayne is even better than different perspectives. :D

She's even better in person!

[angeldelayette]

She's even better in person!

I would hope so! :D She is definitely a beautiful woman even on-screen. Just waiting for Impact Wrestling to come back around these parts. The last time they were here I didn't find out until too late to get tickets.

[angeldelayette]

Did Mike Tenay just say wicked clowns, wicked clowns?

Could it be time for the JCP to invade Impact Wrestling?

[Jaysin]

She's from around here. I saw her at local wrestling companies before she went to TNA. When I saw her debut in TNA I was so stoked to see a local wrestler make it to the big 2. Now there's a few.

Derrick Bateman, Madison Rayne, Crimson, Mack Hetfield(FCW talent), and I feel like I'm missing someone...

GOD I HATE MEXICAN AMERICA

Awful tag team, awful gimmick, awful mic skills.

Push the Brits please and bury Mexican't Wrestle!

[Jaysin]

Did Mike Tenay just say wicked clowns, wicked clowns?

Could it be time for the JCP to invade Impact Wrestling?

I'll admit, I do like a few of their songs, but I don't wanna see them wrestle. I'd love to have them on commentary though. Funny guys

[angeldelayette]

-tosses up the Fortune hand sign-

I kinda figured it would be Fortune. But that was a great way to reveal it when they attacked Gunner.

As far as JCP? I don't want to see them in Impact Wrestling, personally. But that just came to mind when Mike Tenay said wicked clowns.

[Jaysin]

I was super pumped when the clowns took the masks off. So glad I didn't read spoilers for this show. It's been a really good one, except for them insisting to push Mexican America over British Invasion.

Come on, the Brits have the in ring talent, are money on the mic, and make a connection to the crowd just by opening their mouths.

[angeldelayette]

What a great show! I think I enjoyed that one from start to finish. Only complaint is not enough Knockouts. :)

[Teh_Showtime]

it was entertaining except MexAm caused it to drag on. Just lacking follow up for the rest of DX (sans Aries/Shelly) but that was expected.

[MasterJ]

I like Mexican America. that new guy reminds me of Chavo

[Jaysin]

it was entertaining except MexAm caused it to drag on. Just lacking follow up for the rest of DX (sans Aries/Shelly) but that was expected.

That highlight package from Destination X was awesome though. And they did do a follow up to Abyss/Kendrick

[ShaunGBD]

that new guy reminds me of Chavo

you mean Kerwin White?

[JackKnifed72]

you mean Kerwin White?

:D


...

[nimo34]

Kerwin who?

[20LEgend]

Didn't read spoilers for the first time in over a year. Sting a champion, again, I don't like it :(.

[Remianen]

In my opinion the only two guys on the roster that could have any real success in the WWE are Anderson and Pope

Uh, Matt Morgan?

[Teh_Showtime]

Bobby Roode I could see joing well. Morgan for sure. he should totally be getting pushed over Gunner/Crimson

[LiquidSwords]

I don't understand the fascination TNA has with Gunner and Crimson. At best both will probably be decent midcarders but I can't buy either one being a legit main eventer.

[Jaysin]

I don't understand the fascination TNA has with Gunner and Crimson. At best both will probably be decent midcarders but I can't buy either one being a legit main eventer.

Mercer has a KILLER look and I've seen him have some good matches on the indies. The dude is a beast. I think the issue in TNA with him is he hasn't found his niche or confidence level. I wish they'd drop the "Crimson" name and just call him Tommy Mercer. There's something about the name Mercer that reeks of bad ass.

[haloed]

Mercer has a KILLER look and I've seen him have some good matches on the indies. The dude is a beast. I think the issue in TNA with him is he hasn't found his niche or confidence level. I wish they'd drop the "Crimson" name and just call him Tommy Mercer. There's something about the name Mercer that reeks of bad ass.


Not so sure this is a good thing. :D

[Jaysin]

Not so sure this is a good thing. :D

I legitimately laughed out loud :eek:

[Hive]

I don't understand the fascination TNA has with Gunner and Crimson. At best both will probably be decent midcarders but I can't buy either one being a legit main eventer.

Amen, brother. I thought I was the only one.

How on earth they can choose to push those two ehead of Samoa Joe, The Pope and Matt Morgan is beyond me.

[dvdWarrior]

I wish they'd drop the "Crimson" name and just call him Tommy Mercer. There's something about the name Mercer that reeks of bad ass.

I agree with that, the name Mercer just sounds cool... brings to mind one "Merciless" Ray Mercer for me.

I like Crimson. I like Gunner too, just don't know if either are 100% ready for the pushes they're getting.

:)

[Jaysin]

I agree with that, the name Mercer just sounds cool... brings to mind one "Merciless" Ray Mercer for me.

I like Crimson. I like Gunner too, just don't know if either are 100% ready for the pushes they're getting.

:)

Tommy was "No Mercy" Tommy Mercer :D

[Hive]

I watched Destination X, it was pretty good. The highlight was of course the 4-way for a TNA contract, good stuff by all involved. AJ Styles vs. Daniels and RVD vs. Lynn were pretty good as well, though I expected a bit more. There were no outright bad matches on the card, which was a pleasant surprise.

All in all, it was a pretty good PPV which I definately enjoyed more than this year's Wrestlemania. It was dwarfed by MiTB though, but that's a different story...

I hope they'll continue this focus on the X Division as it could make Impact! interesting again.

[Self]

I applaud TNA for pushing Gunner & Crimson. Not because they're especially good. I've never seen either wrestle and don't even know what Crimson looks like, but because they're fresh new guys. They tried pushing Matt Morgan before, and it didn't work. Whether or not the failure was down to the booking, or Matt Morgan himself is irrelevant. He's old hat at this point. He's been up. He's been down. He's shown pretty much everything he can do. How is that going to draw in new fans? Same with Joe. Same with AJ. Same with all the guys who have been around for years, bumming around the midcard, waiting for a push.

So I applaud TNA for pushing fresh faces that could potentially catch fire and capture the interest of new fans, over 'better wrestlers' who have been around forever.

[The Bus]

I pretty much agree with Self. Neither of the guys are bad and IMO they are proper credible wrestlers to be trusted upon. Of course one can discuss the level of push they are given, but it is a good thing to give the ball for a fresh face. Morgan just doesn't have the "it" in him IMO, but Joe would deserve better. He gets a reaction and is entertaining in many aspects. Maybe it's the look and Russo/Hogan/someone isn't digging it.

About the older guys... I think I'll never get bored with Kurt Angle and Scott Steiner. Sting was a little *meh*, but now he is something else than a part time legend. Again one can discuss the variables with Sting's new gimmick, but it really is a gimmick instead of a half of a gimmick. For me it's entertaining, as it is something else and bold executed well.

[Blackman]

How does R Strong dare call me not a true wrestling fan because I might not be purchasing the PPV's. I am one of the faithful who purchases his special dvd from the ROH shop. TNA is not getting my money until they start producing quality material. But I guess Destination X was pretty good.

[20LEgend]

How does R Strong dare call me not a true wrestling fan because I might not be purchasing the PPV's. I am one of the faithful who purchases his special dvd from the ROH shop. TNA is not getting my money until they start producing quality material. But I guess Destination X was pretty good.

R Strong?

[1234]

How does R Strong dare call me not a true wrestling fan because I might not be purchasing the PPV's. I am one of the faithful who purchases his special dvd from the ROH shop. TNA is not getting my money until they start producing quality material. But I guess Destination X was pretty good.

Do you mean Austin Aries?

If not when has Roddy told you your not a true wrestling fan?

[Jaysin]

R Strong?

I'm guessing he's talking about when Austin Aries said people who stream wrestling pay per views aren't real fans. R Strong= Roderick Strong.

[20LEgend]

I'm guessing he's talking about when Austin Aries said people who stream wrestling pay per views aren't real fans. R Strong= Roderick Strong.

I thought that's who he meant. I thought it was Roderick Strong he was talking about but then I thought why would Strong be mentioned in the TNA thread :)

[Jaysin]

I thought that's who he meant. I thought it was Roderick Strong he was talking about but then I thought why would Strong be mentioned in the TNA thread :)

You just had to quote me right before I edited my answer :mad:

:p

[Blackman]

Damn it. too late to edit. I always mix those 2 up. :D

Ya so I meant Austin Aries.

I guess I proved his point that I'm not a real wrestling fan.

[Jaysin]

Damn it. too late to edit. I always mix those up. :D

Funny story with those two.

I went to an ROH show in Cleveland one time. They were a tag team facing I can't remember who right now, Low Ki and Rocky Romero maybe? Not sure, but people kept chanting "Austin Aries" and Aries was getting frustrated no one was cheering for Roddy. So he'd keep stopping the match and try and start Roderick Strong chants and they just didn't happen

[20LEgend]

You just had to quote me right before I edited my answer :mad:

:p

I've changed is now so you look crazy :D

[Blackman]

Funny story with those two.

I went to an ROH show in Cleveland one time. They were a tag team facing I can't remember who right now, Low Ki and Rocky Romero maybe? Not sure, but people kept chanting "Austin Aries" and Aries was getting frustrated no one was cheering for Roddy. So he'd keep stopping the match and try and start Roderick Strong chants and they just didn't happen

Lol. Well I guess he got what he wanted. It'd be the bomb to have that tag team back in business in TNA. Or ROH for that matter.

[Jaysin]

Anderson and Bully Ray vs Angle and Sting.

Sounds good to me :)

[TakerNGN74]

For the first time in a long time I am watching the show tonight and my first thoughts are that the new Sting Charcter is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. He not only looks like a moron but he sounds like one too, TNA or Impact Wrestling whatever they call themselves now adays really needs to realize that although Sting is older he is still talented and so he should be used like this. Enough said that is all for now.

[Jaysin]

When Gunner isn't forced for promos, that guy is actually pretty good on the stick. Nice and real.

[MasterJ]

For the first time in a long time I am watching the show tonight and my first thoughts are that the new Sting Charcter is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. He not only looks like a moron but he sounds like one too, TNA or Impact Wrestling whatever they call themselves now adays really needs to realize that although Sting is older he is still talented and so he should be used like this. Enough said that is all for now.

The new Sting is awesome

[Jaysin]

The new Sting is awesome

I agree

[matthew222]

I really dislike the new Sting, it is so stupid in my opinon

[Arrows]

Christy Hemme is the most useless woman, ever.

Someone should tape her mouth shut and get her off my tv.

[TakerNGN74]

I really dislike the new Sting, it is so stupid in my opinon

Thanks for agreeing with me Matthew, and to Master J and Jaysin I don't mind the facepaint its the way he talks that really bothers me. If he just had messed up face paint I could easily look past it but unfornately he doesn't he has to talk messed up too.

[matthew222]

your welcome and after never watching Gunner, He really aint that bad.At Least it is a fresh face in TNA

[Jaysin]

Pretty decent episode in my opinion.

[matthew222]

that wasnt bad at all.Really liked Kendrick vs Shelly and Aries getting Involed feuding with Shelly will be good.Knockout match was pretty average.Why doesn't Joe have any PFG Series points.That guy was great a few years ago and then after Hogan came, he got destroyed.Main Event wasn't that very good. I am a big Sting fan, but he needs to Retire. Is Crimson any good? Never seen him.

[20LEgend]

I'm going to write this as I go through watching it:

Skipped through Sting at the start, the new voice just makes me feel so annoyed I can't stand this Sting. Angle then spoke and we got the bull about RESPECT, which we here every f'n time. Then I realised Face vs Face, two old guys, I thought I don't care about the world title scene. Then Anderson spoke to Sting, who was looking normal and then went back into character that annoyed me after Bully Ray did his thing. Anderson / Ray > Sting / Angle tonight...

Skipped RVD / Steiner, watch last few mins was okay didn't like the finish. Mickie and Velvet was soppy, but they looked nice. Pointless segment. Then Angelina came out and was being a normal heel, which is stupid, plus that was not what Winter wanted at the start. Too long of a segment. Winter was better than the others easily. The brawl was boring. Wanted to watch the tag match entrances :( skipped the match.

Lol Spiderman, sure Cole used that as well, well done cliche commentary. Seemed to not have great effect as 5 days ago I just saw two of these with twice as many guys but it was good. Gunner going into the Footprint was crap. Decent match overall.

The EY D'Lo thing meh, D'Lo saying gimmick annoyed me stop it it's not cool TNA! Why did D'Lo chas him :p

Alex Shelley is so cool. Shelley easily got up from a move that finished Robbie E a few weeks ago. Consistency. Good match, didn't like the ending, but I thing they are trying to scream AA is a heel, because everyone loves him. good match Shelley and BK are great.

REALLY, REALLY can not listen to Anarquia or Mexican America, they are crap. Beyond boring. Skip the segment sorry beer Money.

ODB, Jackie yawn, heels break their word shocker. Skipped the rest of the show no interest in it, just looked and saw it wasn't so good. Traci Brooks :D

Main event was short and crappy.

All in all Sting being a main guy, Anarquia being in the company I really am not enjoying TNA at the moment. Angle being respectful and Sting's off and on character. I hate Sting's character that decided it for me. Hey Anderson, "where's your rematch"

Wish I could be positive but watch MITB then this TNA will never reach WWE IMO. :)

Other than 4 way and X match this was boring, I think I'm losing any faith in TNA, inconsistency and boring generic, same and same again stories.

[JTandSilentBob]

Am I the only person that thought the Shelly/Kendrick match was boring. It lacked emotion and Shelly kept falling awkward when kicked. Spin kick and he drops to his knees. Dropkicked, falls to his knees. I just didn't feel like there was any emotion. Something about it didn't "click" with me. I might be the only one though.

[bjo313]

the whole Knockouts brawl was ridiculous. Tenay's commentary about how weird it was to see two opponents (Mickie & Velvet) teaming up, you know, cause Sting and Angle aren't doing the same thing the same night and TNA does it before every PPV.

[BloodyKnuckles]

I'm going to write this as I go through watching it:

Skipped through Sting at the start, the new voice just makes me feel so annoyed I can't stand this Sting. Angle then spoke and we got the bull about RESPECT, which we here every f'n time. Then I realised Face vs Face, two old guys, I thought I don't care about the world title scene. Then Anderson spoke to Sting, who was looking normal and then went back into character that annoyed me after Bully Ray did his thing. Anderson / Ray > Sting / Angle tonight...

Skipped RVD / Steiner, watch last few mins was okay didn't like the finish. Mickie and Velvet was soppy, but they looked nice. Pointless segment. Then Angelina came out and was being a normal heel, which is stupid, plus that was not what Winter wanted at the start. Too long of a segment. Winter was better than the others easily. The brawl was boring. Wanted to watch the tag match entrances :( skipped the match.

Lol Spiderman, sure Cole used that as well, well done cliche commentary. Seemed to not have great effect as 5 days ago I just saw two of these with twice as many guys but it was good. Gunner going into the Footprint was crap. Decent match overall.

The EY D'Lo thing meh, D'Lo saying gimmick annoyed me stop it it's not cool TNA! Why did D'Lo chas him :p

Alex Shelley is so cool. Shelley easily got up from a move that finished Robbie E a few weeks ago. Consistency. Good match, didn't like the ending, but I thing they are trying to scream AA is a heel, because everyone loves him. good match Shelley and BK are great.

REALLY, REALLY can not listen to Anarquia or Mexican America, they are crap. Beyond boring. Skip the segment sorry beer Money.

ODB, Jackie yawn, heels break their word shocker. Skipped the rest of the show no interest in it, just looked and saw it wasn't so good. Traci Brooks :D

Main event was short and crappy.

All in all Sting being a main guy, Anarquia being in the company I really am not enjoying TNA at the moment. Angle being respectful and Sting's off and on character. I hate Sting's character that decided it for me. Hey Anderson, "where's your rematch"

Wish I could be positive but watch MITB then this TNA will never reach WWE IMO. :)

Other than 4 way and X match this was boring, I think I'm losing any faith in TNA, inconsistency and boring generic, same and same again stories.

You pretty much skipped the whole show, how can anyone take this opinion seriously?

Other than Anarquia and the way too long Knockout segments, this was a pretty good show..

[BloodyKnuckles]

Am I the only person that thought the Shelly/Kendrick match was boring. It lacked emotion and Shelly kept falling awkward when kicked. Spin kick and he drops to his knees. Dropkicked, falls to his knees. I just didn't feel like there was any emotion. Something about it didn't "click" with me. I might be the only one though.

I thought it was a good match for the time they were given, that's my problem with Impact, everyone knows Shelley and Kendrick can put on a great match with each other.. but why cut some time away from the old guys and a ridiculously long Knockout brawl, just make the match 6 minutes and move on..

Never mind the fact that it was a title shot, I really feel like that was a missed opportunity for TNA to put on a really good title match on TV, but oh well, they'll still continue to ignore the crowd (loudest for X-Division segments) and spam knockouts and Hogan all over the show..

[Fantabulous]

You pretty much skipped the whole show, how can anyone take this opinion seriously?

I can take it seriously because he went in with the intention of watching the whole show. It's not his fault that the show was was so poorly written that it not only failed to hold his interest but at points compelled him to skip ahead.

[20LEgend]

You pretty much skipped the whole show, how can anyone take this opinion seriously?

Other than Anarquia and the way too long Knockout segments, this was a pretty good show..

Because I've watched every episode of Impact since about September 2009, and watch it semi-regular before then. I think when I said I didn't like it I meant by how many people on it I can't bear to watch.

I didn't skip parts just to get through it quickly, I actually know for a fact that hearing Sting use that stupid voice and pull stupid faces actually annoys me, odd but it does, then I hear Kurt Angle talk some crap about respect and I skip that because I've heard it 100 times before, I listen to Anderson Ray thought it was good. I, like Fantabulous pointed out, intended to watch all of the show, but:

- I know the knockouts on display don't interest me. And I certainly know Miss Jackie and ODB aren't the solution to that.
- I know that Steiner is a poor in ring talent and so I'm not going to watch a 48 year old man take on a 40 year old man. I don't need to sit trough that so I won't
- I know that I get annoyed from Sting doing his goofy crap as well as him switching in and out of character (when Anderson mentioned it, going back in it for one example) and I know that I don't listen to Angle say he respects Sting, and quite frankly I'm not interest in a 52 year old (?) take on a 42 year old.
- I know I like Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles. I know I'm undecided on Gunner, so I watch the match.
- I know that I don't find it cool for TNA to blatantly break kayfabe. O know I like EY, so I stuck and watched the whole segment.
- I know I really really like Alex Shelley and that BK is one of my favourites so I was delighted with that match.
- I know I am a big Beer Money fan and I know my dislike of the character Anarquia because of his loud, brash over the top fake Mexican voice is so bad it ruins a segment to the point I simply can not bear it.
- I know that having a 5 minute TAG TEAM Main Event is not going to be worth my time, because when I even attempt to get invested in it, it's over.

Make of that what you will, and take my opinion however you want to take it, if you think I'm wrong that's what makes it my opinion, if it was fact I wouldn't have said it. I hope you realise I haven't gone oh it's Sting I'll skip that, I've given a segment 2 minutes and it's got me to the point where I know I don't need to sit through it and so. I wanted to watch the show. I watched all of Raw on Monday and all of MITB and it is rare I do that.

I know which characters work for me and which don't it's not like I've seen a show and known what to expect and watched it to complain. If I saw Kazarian take on Robbie E or Amazing Red or, Beer Money or if The British Invasion were on the show. I would have watch if they advanced Pope vs Devon. I have not just tune in and span ahead I watch the show week in and week out and I don't want to seem like I'm going on (which I undoubtedly).

Please don't take my opinion seriously if you think it's a load of whatever, but it is there and it is true. :) I wish I enjoyed what I saw I didn't and I'm glad other people enjoyed it.

[BloodyKnuckles]

Because I've watched every episode of Impact since about September 2009, and watch it semi-regular before then. I think when I said I didn't like it I meant by how many people on it I can't bear to watch.

I didn't skip parts just to get through it quickly, I actually know for a fact that hearing Sting use that stupid voice and pull stupid faces actually annoys me, odd but it does, then I hear Kurt Angle talk some crap about respect and I skip that because I've heard it 100 times before, I listen to Anderson Ray thought it was good. I, like Fantabulous pointed out, intended to watch all of the show, but:

- I know the knockouts on display don't interest me. And I certainly know Miss Jackie and ODB aren't the solution to that.
- I know that Steiner is a poor in ring talent and so I'm not going to watch a 48 year old man take on a 40 year old man. I don't need to sit trough that so I won't
- I know that I get annoyed from Sting doing his goofy crap as well as him switching in and out of character (when Anderson mentioned it, going back in it for one example) and I know that I don't listen to Angle say he respects Sting, and quite frankly I'm not interest in a 52 year old (?) take on a 42 year old.
- I know I like Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles. I know I'm undecided on Gunner, so I watch the match.
- I know that I don't find it cool for TNA to blatantly break kayfabe. O know I like EY, so I stuck and watched the whole segment.
- I know I really really like Alex Shelley and that BK is one of my favourites so I was delighted with that match.
- I know I am a big Beer Money fan and I know my dislike of the character Anarquia because of his loud, brash over the top fake Mexican voice is so bad it ruins a segment to the point I simply can not bear it.
- I know that having a 5 minute TAG TEAM Main Event is not going to be worth my time, because when I even attempt to get invested in it, it's over.

Make of that what you will, and take my opinion however you want to take it, if you think I'm wrong that's what makes it my opinion, if it was fact I wouldn't have said it. I hope you realise I haven't gone oh it's Sting I'll skip that, I've given a segment 2 minutes and it's got me to the point where I know I don't need to sit through it and so. I wanted to watch the show. I watched all of Raw on Monday and all of MITB and it is rare I do that.

I know which characters work for me and which don't it's not like I've seen a show and known what to expect and watched it to complain. If I saw Kazarian take on Robbie E or Amazing Red or, Beer Money or if The British Invasion were on the show. I would have watch if they advanced Pope vs Devon. I have not just tune in and span ahead I watch the show week in and week out and I don't want to seem like I'm going on (which I undoubtedly).

Please don't take my opinion seriously if you think it's a load of whatever, but it is there and it is true. :) I wish I enjoyed what I saw I didn't and I'm glad other people enjoyed it.

I was more confused by you criticising some parts that you said you didn't even watch more than anything.. also, the RVD/Steiner match wasn't bad, both guys are older for sure but they can both still put on good matches. Again, since it's Impact they gave it like six minutes, but for me it wasn't skip worthy.

Not trying to start an argument again, I just don't think people should bomb on things they didn't watch.. although I agree that Mexican America sucks, and the Knockouts stuff was too long.

[matthew222]

Part of me is saying, everybody thinks TNA has a better Women Division than WWE and TNA is just trying to rub in WWE's face 'We have a better women division!!'

[20LEgend]

I was more confused by you criticising some parts that you said you didn't even watch more than anything.. also, the RVD/Steiner match wasn't bad, both guys are older for sure but they can both still put on good matches. Again, since it's Impact they gave it like six minutes, but for me it wasn't skip worthy.

Not trying to start an argument again, I just don't think people should bomb on things they didn't watch.. although I agree that Mexican America sucks, and the Knockouts stuff was too long.

I didn't say bad about things I didn't watch I said overall the show dissapointed me with who was on it, I see what you mean, it's a fair point but I didn't say bad about RVD / Steiner, I say I was dissapointed with what was on. I just didn't like the content of the show and since I could have been doing other things than watching people I'm not interested in (unless he is cutting a promo in Steiner's case) I love RVD but knew it would be nothing special even if it was a decent. I wasn't bombing the parts I didn't see I was alking about the Velvet / Mickie James segment and Sting's gimmick and the knockouts segment, which I didn't like. Angle talking about respect I didn't like, also a five minute main event where Anderson was pinned cleanly (IIRC), so I also don't see how this can turn into an argument but I know the characters and the fact, the show spent a lot of time with the knockouts and Mexican America are featuring over talent I like annoys me and I personally dislike that the man who is the top dog in the country has a gimmick that is terribly off putting to me.

I honestly don't see where I said anything about the segments that I didn't watch other than the fact I skipped them. :) P.S If i did point it out and I'll hold my hands up as it may have come across in a way I was not intending it to :)

[MasterJ]

I liked the show overall, Sting is great at his new gimmick I didnt like it at first but he is more into it now.

[Jaysin]

I think my big thing with the new Sting gimmick is that he's my favorite wrestler(so I'm a little biased), but his last few angles he's done with TNA, he's seemed uninspired and like he's not having fun. He's having fun and its making me have fun.

It's why I like Tenay and Taz commentating together(though I'd prefer JB and Taz), they're having fun so it brings me fun and entertainment.

Also, I just noticed Velvet's shirt last night and it cracked me up

"Letting the pigeons loose since 2007" Gold

[tristram]

Thats how I've felt about TNA the last couple of years. I don't have a problem with the experienced wrestlers being there, but with most of them including Sting until late its been like watching the jaded has-been doing his last rounds of the territories and while wrestling or interviewing you can see his mind flicker "where the hell am I/what day do I collect my cheque". My thought was it was a distinct lack of professionalism and they were basically there for their last pay-day or if they got lucky a chance to do a 6 month stint back in the WWE... looking at Sting it looks like he's finally doing something he enjoys again. Sting and Ric Flair actually looked that way at the end of WCW, they'd wrestle in t-shirts as if to cover their shame.

[Basmat01]

Would anyone known the PPV company TNA was with when they were doing the weekly PPV's back in 2002/2003?

[Fantabulous]

Would anyone known the PPV company TNA was with when they were doing the weekly PPV's back in 2002/2003?

According to the always accurate Wikipedia, In Demand, Dish Network and DirecTV.

[Basmat01]

According to the always accurate Wikipedia, In Demand, Dish Network and DirecTV.

I didnt see that on there. must of missed it :rolleyes:

[Fantabulous]

I didnt see that on there. must of missed it :rolleyes:

Because your initial post was just full of information as to where you'd already looked. So :rolleyes: back at you.

[Basmat01]

Because your initial post was just full of information as to where you'd already looked. So :rolleyes: back at you.

Lol no seriously I didnt see that on wikipedia I used the wrong smiley face :cool:

[ZMAN]

I miss those little PPVs. They were like 10-15 dollars, and for a while I was ordering them instead of WWE's PPVs.

[stratusfaction]

www.rajahwwf.com and a few other wrestling sites are reporting that Spike TV is planning on re-branding itself in the next couple of months and catering to a different demography. They will probably be cutting ties with UFC programming and it looks like TNA Impact might be in jeopardy.

It's not a done deal yet and it's just speculation but if this happens and they can't find another network TNA is dead in the water :(

What do you guys think?

[BHK1978]

www.rajahwwf.com and a few other wrestling sites are reporting that Spike TV is planning on re-branding itself in the next couple of months and catering to a different demography. They will probably be cutting ties with UFC programming and it looks like TNA Impact might be in jeopardy.

It's not a done deal yet and it's just speculation but if this happens and they can't find another network TNA is dead in the water :(

What do you guys think?

Well if that is the case I do think TNA will be dead. After all I am not sure if any network would be intrested in them because their ratings are so low.

[stratusfaction]

Do you think Impact would be getting better ratings if they were on a different network like TBS or USA?

[20LEgend]

Isn't it (one of) the highest rated show on Spike, doubt they'll get rid of it.