The Official TNA Discussion Thread

[masterded]

TNA's new look. I like it. No more dumb tube entrances. Normal ring. And I've always loved the flush to the ring entrance

I would have to agree, I like the whole look. Though I am indifferent when it comes to 6 or 4 sided ring.

[justtxyank]

I ordered and I'm going to be pissed if Hall doesn't wrestle. Wow. I ordered for that match.

[Astil]

I ordered and I'm going to be pissed if Hall doesn't wrestle. Wow. I ordered for that match.

dot dot dot

[justtxyank]

dot dot dot

What does that mean lol?

I can't believe Hall is this much of a punk that he will blow another opportunity.

[PeterHilton]

What does that mean lol?

I can't believe Hall is this much of a punk that he will blow another opportunity.

MrCanada posted that same blurb about Hall a few pages back. You need to keeop it on GDS Dog Pound..we've got all the news that's newsworthy. :p

[Bigpapa42]

What does that mean lol?

I can't believe Hall is this much of a punk that he will blow another opportunity.

The guy has a long long history of it. Its not like its been once or twice. Expecting a different result this time for whatever reason just doesn't seem logical to me....

That said, its just a rumor until its confirmed on the show.

[justtxyank]

The guy has a long long history of it. Its not like its been once or twice. Expecting a different result this time for whatever reason just doesn't seem logical to me....

That said, its just a rumor until its confirmed on the show.

It's just that after reading everything about how badly he wants back in the business to get a commentator's job and how cleaned up he's been on the circuit, I thought for sure he would make good for a few months to try to get a more permanent job.

[haloed]

Ordering the show as well. Sucks to hear that about Scott Hall, was hoping he'd still be able to go. Angle and Styles should be awesome though.

[justtxyank]

If I could cancel this ppv order I would lol.

[PeterHilton]

Love the new ring set up

Hogan and EB to open with a promo?

EDIT: TNA fans chant "WE WANT SIX SIDES"

Hogan responds and the fans boo. "No more playpens..THIS is where wrestling is meant to be done.." Gets the fans back on his side by running down Vince and the E.

Nicely played, Terry

[haloed]

Love the new ring set up

Hogan and EB to open with a promo?

EDIT: TNA fans chant "WE WANT SIX SIDES"

Hogan responds and the fans boo. "No more playpens..THIS is where wrestling is meant to be done.." Gets the fans back on his side by running down Vince and the E.

Nicely played, Terry

Don't think Hogan and Bischoff expected getting booed for changing the ring.

[Astil]

SPOILER

Kinda


It's Kendrick. Not a bad pickup.

[Stennick]

So thats their big star? What has he ever done to warrant a challenge to the second most important title in America.... theoretically.

[Astil]

So thats their big star? What has he ever done to warrant a challenge to the second most important title in America.... theoretically.

No. No that's not, if we're talking about the same person.

[PeterHilton]

So thats their big star? What has he ever done to warrant a challenge to the second most important title in America.... theoretically.

He's Red's mystery opponent..not the mystery star.

good match so far

[Stennick]

Yeah I just read the mystery guy so that makes a bit more sense I guess.

[Bigpapa42]

Don't think Hogan and Bischoff expected getting booed for changing the ring.

Don't think they comprehended how much the ring meant to some fans.

[Stennick]

They don't charge for ppv admittance in Orlando do they? Its basically the exact same as Impact with different banners right?

[PeterHilton]

Red wins with the Code Red. Kendrick looked just ok. I honestly don't think the X Division is going to get the attention it deserves if Red is the champ

Hall isn't wrestling. They explained it on screen by having Eric and Hogan tell Hall and Pac they need to earn their spot on the card. So Hall and Pac played rock-paper-scissors to see who'd team with Nash and get the chance to prove themselves (no seriously)

X Pac won 2-of-3 when scissors defeated paper

That segment needs to be added to TEW

[b0shey]

and the beginning of the end has started

[Astil]

Red wins with the Code Red. Kendrick looked just ok. I honestly don't think the X Division is going to get the attention it deserves if Red is the champ

Hall isn't wrestling. They explained it on screen by having Eric and Hogan tell Hall and Pac they need to earn their spot on the card. So Hall and Pac played rock-paper-scissors to see who'd team with Nash and get the chance to prove themselves (no seriously)

X Pac won 2-of-3 when scissors defeated paper

That segment needs to be added to TEW

That it does.

[justtxyank]

I can't believe Hall chickened out.

Great match between Kendrick and Red. I can't stand Red though, so was pulling for Kendrick.

[justtxyank]

By the way, Tara carrying a tarantula to the ring is really stupid.

[haloed]

I can't believe Hall chickened out.

Great match between Kendrick and Red. I can't stand Red though, so was pulling for Kendrick.

I think Kendrick would be a better champ overall and could have some good defenses against the likes of Sabin and Shelley, or Lethal even.



By the way, Tara carrying a tarantula to the ring is really stupid.

Yea, it is. Not the dumbest thing that's been carried to ring over the years though I'd say.

[justtxyank]

I think Kendrick would be a better champ overall and could have some good defenses against the likes of Sabin and Shelley, or Lethal even.

Yeah, he's a much better worker with more charisma as well. I haven't really ever watched any of Kendrick's matches all the way through until that one though, and I was really impressed with how he moves in the ring.

[Astil]

By the way, Tara carrying a tarantula to the ring is really stupid.

Yeah.

Taz is so awkward calling Knockout matches.

[justtxyank]

By the way, the Morley match vs Daniels was good even though I don't agree with Morley winning.

[b0shey]

Red wins with the Code Red. Kendrick looked just ok. I honestly don't think the X Division is going to get the attention it deserves if Red is the champ

Hall isn't wrestling. They explained it on screen by having Eric and Hogan tell Hall and Pac they need to earn their spot on the card. So Hall and Pac played rock-paper-scissors to see who'd team with Nash and get the chance to prove themselves (no seriously)

X Pac won 2-of-3 when scissors defeated paper

That segment needs to be added to TEW

WOW, and people say wwe has stupid angles :eek:

[haloed]

Yeah.

Taz is so awkward calling Knockout matches.

Yea he is. I wish they would get ODB out of the title picture. She does nothing for me. Annoys me more than anything.

[Astil]

This is WWE Divariffic...

EDIT: Well... that was a ... rushed finish

[justtxyank]

WOW, and people say wwe has stupid angles :eek:

Oh please, lol. It is a fine way to get around Hall being a *****.

You are such a TNA hater.


Yay for Tara!

[Astil]

Elijah Burke doing his best Rock impersonation.

[PeterHilton]

By the way, the Morley match vs Daniels was good even though I don't agree with Morley winning.

Yes. Really good match I thought.

[haloed]

Elijah Burke doing his best Rock impersonation.

Burke's still awesome.


I call Rob Terry causing the Invasion to lose the belts.

[Astil]

Burke's still awesome.


I call Rob Terry causing the Invasion to lose the belts.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a good impersonation :P.

Burke has always been entertaining, all the way back to his ECW days.

[haloed]

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a good impersonation :P.

Burke has always been entertaining, all the way back to his ECW days.

I see where you're coming from on that. I see Pope as a big star in TNA some day, he's got the charisma to grab fans and he's solid in the ring on top of that.

[Astil]

Vintage Matt Morgan! Vintage I say!

EDIT: Wow this crowd is behind Morgan!

[b0shey]

I see where you're coming from on that. I see Pope as a big star in TNA some day, he's got the charisma to grab fans and he's solid in the ring on top of that.

indeed i dont see how wwe could not push Burke to the moon

[justtxyank]

TNA needs to drop Bobby Lashley. He does nothing.

[alden]

morgan and hernandes win the tag titles

[PeterHilton]

Everyone watching this thing with me commented on just how huge Morgan looks. Extended squash. Morgan/Hernandez win the belts.

If Morgan isn't a major singles star by the end of the year, this writing team is dropping the ball. He has EVERYTHING you could ask for...promos' are decent, an amazing look, he can definitely work a match, and he moves exceptionally well for a man his size.

The E missed on Burke. They missed HUGE on Morgan.

EDIT: That Lashley segment was moronic. Just get rid of that guy.

[justtxyank]

Who is that with Desmond Wolfe?

Smokin

[Astil]

TNA needs to drop Bobby Lashley. He does nothing.

I agree.

[justtxyank]

TNA still needs to work on their production quality. The music still sounds cheap.

[haloed]

indeed i dont see how wwe could not push Burke to the moon

They missed the boat on Burke. I think he has 'it' and could of been a big star there too. He was one of the reasons I was watching the ECW show at the time.


I agree with jusstxyank on dropping Lashley and the girl with Wolfe. Damn!

Agree on the point of WWE missing on Morgan as well.

[alden]

Who is that with Desmond Wolfe?

Smokin

was thinking the same thing.....wonder who that is

[justtxyank]

Yeah Wolfe's girl is hot lol.

[alden]

lol tazz comment: It fells so good to call people wrestlers. knock on superstars lol

[justtxyank]

I think the fans are chanting "Pope is pimpin"

lol

[alden]

lol..........the fans are super into this show.........the we want six sides....pope is pimping.....all the chants are great.

[Astil]

I like how Wolfe vs. Pope feels like a ME match in the opening. Makes me think they'll push both.

[alden]

legit injury?

[PeterHilton]

I think the fans are chanting "Pope is pimpin"

lol


After he kissed Wolfe's valet. Yeah..great crowd.

[Astil]

Wow. Wolfe and Burke are amazing.

[Craig Edwards]

so whats going on

[alden]

wolfe is a guy who looks better in the bigger ring. His corner elbow always looked weak in the other ring it looks more legit now.....although i still was a fan of the six sided ring

[justtxyank]

Notes so far:

Wolfe is good. The announcers to a good job putting him over.

This crowd rocks. When Wolfe got hurt they were chanting "Desmond's got a boo-boo!" Awesome stuff.

Lashley sucks and should never be on ppv again.

TNA needs to learn a lesson here and be careful what they advertise. Nothing sucks more than advertising guys and having to redo a ppv card. This is very similar to WCW. Seemed like they consistently had guys being "replaced" in ppv matches. This isn't a good thing. People buy ppvs for the advertised matches, and if they start thinking their will be changes to the card, it will cut into buys.

[Astil]

Notes so far:

Wolfe is good. The announcers to a good job putting him over.

This crowd rocks. When Wolfe got hurt they were chanting "Desmond's got a boo-boo!" Awesome stuff.

Lashley sucks and should never be on ppv again.

TNA needs to learn a lesson here and be careful what they advertise. Nothing sucks more than advertising guys and having to redo a ppv card. This is very similar to WCW. Seemed like they consistently had guys being "replaced" in ppv matches. This isn't a good thing. People buy ppvs for the advertised matches, and if they start thinking their will be changes to the card, it will cut into buys.

It's not just Wolfe. Burke is a great seller.

[alden]

wolfe went over pope........A GREAT MATCH

[haloed]

Man there have been some good matches on the show so far. Wolfe vs. Pope was really good!!! Wolfe is an amazing talent in the ring.


It's not just Wolfe. Burke is a great seller.

This. He did a great job selling the the injured legs. So much better than what Red did in the opener.

[alden]

a huge switch. Almost no angles..or backstage interviews......pope vs wolfe gets a good 15+ min

[justtxyank]

Serious question, why has anyone ever cared about Jeremy Borash? He is so annoying and dorky. I don't get why he even has a job.

[PeterHilton]

Great match. Great psychology.

Burke couldn't get any momentum for the running knee because he was selling the injury so Wolfe decapitated him. Good stuff.

[alden]

wow almost no reaction for flair at first.......or did the wwe just use that much canned stuff? I liked borash.....he is a good hype man i think.

[justtxyank]

Flair looks so damn old.

[alden]

So any thoughts on who the parter for nash is going to be? i still am hoping for nash.


EDIT

Well i guess that answers it :(.........waltman and hall.

[PeterHilton]

It's too bad TNA didn't do a good job building for this PPV because it really has been a good show and a good example of what TNA's strengths and distinguishing characteristics are.

[Craig Edwards]

is it X-pac

[haloed]

Serious question, why has anyone ever cared about Jeremy Borash? He is so annoying and dorky. I don't get why he even has a job.

I don't what it is. I really like Borash. You say dorky and I think quarky (sp?).

[justtxyank]

So any thoughts on who the parter for nash is going to be? i still am hoping for nash.

It's Pac.

Hall needs to get fired tonight and never get another contract with anyone ever again.

Pac looks like he is in good shape.

[justtxyank]

I don't what it is. I really like Borash. You say dorky and I think quarky (sp?).

Quirky maybe what you mean?

I'm glad he has fans, but he's always been a major turnoff for me. Most of the time I've watched Impact I've turned the channel off when he was on.

[justtxyank]

ROFL

XPac heat alive and well. Crowd chants "Waltman sucks" and when they get tired of it they just go dead silent. LOL

[alden]

Have they ever talked about the history of waltman and nash with tna before? They were big parts of the company in the first shows. It seams like they are glossing over that.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I have a bad quality stream and couldnt tell... is this the chick that was with Wolfe?

PIC REMOVED......

If so, it's Koa Marie Turner, she was on the Hulkamania Tour, and is a playboy model...

[justtxyank]

I know Nash isn't well liked by the IWC, but he is one of the best selling big men in history imo. He takes moves very well.

[alden]

might need to find a diffrent pic.........although i am not complaing lol.......that looks like her.

[justtxyank]

Um wow, get that pic off please.

[haloed]

Quirky maybe what you mean?

I'm glad he has fans, but he's always been a major turnoff for me. Most of the time I've watched Impact I've turned the channel off when he was on.

Kinda like a goofy charm to him I guess. He seems to play well off of the wrestlers he interacts with.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Um wow, get that pic off please.

I took it down, but whats wrong with the pic?

[justtxyank]

Love the crowd's treatment of Pac. They went after him hard when he did the Bronco Buster.

[haloed]

Love the crowd's treatment of Pac. They went after him hard when he did the Bronco Buster.

I don't think Pac's gonna be around long. Crowd still doesn't like him.

[alden]

beer money over the band???????!!!!!!!! nice

[Astil]

Good.

[justtxyank]

Beer Money with the win, and Hall beats up a fan which can be used to fire him, and Nash doesn't like either of them.

[alden]

hall attacks a fan in the crowd........waltman jumps down to help/stop him. roode hits a super kick on nash and storm pins him clean.

[justtxyank]

Hogan set to "call out" the Band on Impact.

[alden]

here comes kennedy.......i mean the mystery opponent.

[Astil]

Kennedy!

[justtxyank]

Wow. Abyss is the most neutered character I've ever seen. LOL. He's worse than Kane.

Kennedy is here. BOOOOOOOOOOO

[haloed]

Starting to look like Angle and Styles are going to have some time to really shine tonight. Just one match left before theirs?

[alden]

the same gimmick with the microphone from the sky thing lol......MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............ ....................................AAAAAAAANNNNNN NNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddddddeeeeeeerrrrrrsssssss soooooon

lol

[Astil]

Wow. Abyss is the most neutered character I've ever seen. LOL. He's worse than Kane.

Kennedy is here. BOOOOOOOOOOO

Boo yourself. :p

He's a personal favorite.

[Astil]

the same gimmick with the microphone from the sky thing lol......MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............ ....................................AAAAAAAANNNNNN NNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddddddeeeeeeerrrrrrsssssss soooooon

lol


Misssssssssta K-

...

ANDERSON!

[justtxyank]

Boo yourself. :p

He's a personal favorite.

He's probably fine, but I just don't see how he got this much hype coming in. He hasn't ever been much of anything.

[alden]

that was great........the crowd finished with kennedy and he let them do it.

[cappyboy]

the same gimmick with the microphone from the sky thing lol......MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............ ....................................AAAAAAAANNNNNN NNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddddddeeeeeeerrrrrrsssssss soooooon

lol

Oh goody. When's the rest of the Holly family gonna show up? And are they gonna have to go by Anderson as well now?

[Astil]

He's probably fine, but I just don't see how he got this much hype coming in. He hasn't ever been much of anything.

He was bigger than Christian in WWE when Christian came over.

[haloed]

Did Ken Anderson ever appear in NWA: TNA when they were doing the weekly PPVs? I thought I had read his name in results from that time.

[Craig Edwards]

yeah if he didn't do what he did to get fired he might of been WWE champion by now

[justtxyank]

He was bigger than Christian in WWE when Christian came over.

Never cared for Christian either.

LOL the crowd is chanting overrated.

[haloed]

Never cared for Christian either.

LOL the crowd is chanting overrated.

Lol is right. Great response from Anderson though.

[alden]

so how long till he breaks aj's neck lol

[justtxyank]

I'm not sure he got the response Hogan thought he would.

[haloed]

I'm not sure he got the response Hogan thought he would.

True. He did get a pretty good pop when he came out.

[justtxyank]

That Shock Treatment move is pretty cool.

The crowd is really dead for this match.

[alden]

so the man that goes through flaming tables......barbwire boards....light tubes....babrwire and thumbtacks is beat by brass kuckles? intresting

[Astil]

Hmm, Anderson have ring rust? I hope so, I remember him being better?

[alden]

ok so almost an hour left and they are going to the main event........are they going to give aj vs kurt a near 60 min match? that would be so awsome.

[lazorbeak]

He was bigger than Christian in WWE when Christian came over.

Um, what? Christian was a 3 time IC Champ and 9 time tag team champion who was riding a big wave of momentum and was getting big reactions despite not getting a push the last six months of his first WWE run. Conversely, Kennedy won Money in the Bank in 2007, got hurt, went to Raw, feuded with HBK, got hurt, got suspended for wellness policy violations, was a terrible babyface, and got fired 7 months ago. So no, that's not just not true, that is DRASTICALLY untrue.

[haloed]

Hmm, Anderson have ring rust? I hope so, I remember him being better?

He seemed pretty dull in the ring. Really hurt the match.

And to Alden... I agree with your point, none of the moves that Anderson did seemed to have an impact on Abyss at all. When Styles feuded with Abyss, Styles shots on Abyss looked so much better and actually looked like they affected the big man, and Styles is smaller than Anderson.

[Moe Hunter]

The E missed on Burke. They missed HUGE on Morgan.
I can't believe they stuck him with a Stuttering gimmick when they were trying to "push" him. And Burke cold have been huge. The whole New Breed storyline would have been great if they manage to keep it going properly.


What's with all the Kennedy hate?

1. He was in NWA: TNA as Kamikaze Ken.
2. He was Mr. Anderson *before* he was Mr. Kennedy, in that same gimmick.
3. He's a blond guy, so he's a Holly? Awesome logic.
4. He's going to break AJ's neck? Sure, like the long list of others he's injured.... Oh wait! Cena injured himself, Orton wasn't injured at all. Holly and Benjamin specifically broke script and injured Kennedy.

So I have high hopes for Mr. Anderson in TNA. Much like Christian's defecture made me watch TNA back in November 2005, this will keep my eyes on TNA now, along with Pope, Wolfe and the MCMGs (Shelley was who I 'discovered' last time around).

[justtxyank]

Good for TNA if people watch because of Anderson, but I really thought he sucked. He's just so generic and I've always felt that way about him. All he has is a good voice.

[haloed]

I'm certainly with the wait and see attitude with Mr. Anderson. Not too familiar with his work but I'm willing to give him a chance and see what he can do. And I thought he was in TNA before but wasn't sure, thanks Moe!

[alden]

does it sound like everyone has a new theam song for some reason?

[Astil]

Ok, so Christian was bigger than Anderson. I retract my statement.

TNA has my 3 favorite wrestlers now,

Jeff Hardy
AJ Styles
Mr. K - Anderson

Throw in Angle, Joe, Hernendez, Morgan, Beer Money you got a pretty good show.

[Astil]

He seemed pretty dull in the ring. Really hurt the match.

And to Alden... I agree with your point, none of the moves that Anderson did seemed to have an impact on Abyss at all. When Styles feuded with Abyss, Styles shots on Abyss looked so much better and actually looked like they affected the big man, and Styles is smaller than Anderson.

Wouldn't it be the job of the seller to make it look good?

[justtxyank]

Jeff hardy hasn't had anything to do with TNA since the January 4th episode right? I wouldn't bet money on him doing anything with them going forward.

[haloed]

Wouldn't it be the job of the seller to make it look good?

That's a good point. Though I think its a bit of both, the performance of certain moves can be performed weakly as well. I just think the match didn't really clikc between Anderson and Abyss.


Jeff hardy hasn't had anything to do with TNA since the January 4th episode right? I wouldn't bet money on him doing anything with them going forward.

Last I looked they haven't even bothered to put him or Shannon Moore on the roster page of the TNA Wrestling website.

[Astil]

That's a good point. Though I think its a bit of both, the performance of certain moves can be performed weakly as well. I just think the match didn't really clikc between Anderson and Abyss.

Very true. And I'd blame Anderson. He seemed... off. Not as crisp going move to move.

[Astil]

Jeff hardy hasn't had anything to do with TNA since the January 4th episode right? I wouldn't bet money on him doing anything with them going forward.

Keep the dream alive

[cappyboy]

.
3. He's a blond guy, so he's a Holly? Awesome logic.


No. Because he's a blond guy with the bone structure. And the build. And the underwhelming personality. And the lack of anything terribly special in the ring. The only things that really set him apart from a Holly family member are the incredible lung capacity and his ability to hold his last name so long you could rescue people trapped in canyons with it. Wake me when his part is over.

[Astil]

No. Because he's a blond guy with the bone structure. And the build. And the underwhelming personality. And the lack of anything terribly special in the ring. The only things that really set him apart from a Holly family member are the incredible lung capacity and his ability to hold his last name so long you could rescue people trapped in canyons with it. Wake me when his part is over.

Watch his youtube stuff. You're wrong on that imho.

[cappyboy]

Watch his youtube stuff. You're wrong on that.

Dude, you're not going to sell me. I did see those. And out of character on Youtube, he may be great. But that stuff doesn't bear any relation to the personality he conveys on the job. The dude has never been able to make me care about a word he had to say when he was getting paid for it. You like the guy. I don't. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

The only way my perspective's going to change anytime soon is if he does himself by blowing my mind somehow. Short of that, he's probably going to have to craft a Tommy Dreamer/Team 3D type career and get the grizzled vet love from me somewhere around 2022.

[Astil]

Dude, you're not going to sell me. I did see those. And out of character on Youtube, he may be great. But that stuff doesn't bear any relation to the personality he conveys on the job. The dude has never been able to make me care about a word he had to say when he was getting paid for it. You like the guy. I don't. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

The only way my perspective's going to change anytime soon is if he does himself by blowing my mind somehow. Short of that, he's probably going to have to craft a Tommy Dreamer/Team 3D type career and get the grizzled vet love from me somewhere around 2022.

Ok. Agree to disagree. But I am hyped for TNA's roster right now.

[Astil]

Also, holy crap what a match.

[haloed]

A.J. completes the heel turn!!

[Astil]

Best thing TNA has done. Ever.

[jwt13]

What a ppv the AJ heel turn was great that was great I'm marking like crazy right now. The whole PPV was GREAT 9.5/10 imo good matches through the nig the weakest one to me was Anderson/Abyss. Was Hall suposed to smack the kid in the audince? but that match with Beer Money and Pac and Nash was better than I was expecting.

[justtxyank]

Very strong ppv. The AJ/Angle match wasn't as good as the one on Impact, but still good. The heel turn was smart imo, and Flair working as his heel manager will be great I think.

Rest of the show was all good. Weakest parts were Anderson/Abyss which was just boring and the knockouts match. ODB just isn't special and I hope they keep her out of the title picture now. The rest of that roster is so much more talented imo.

Aside from Angle/AJ, the guys that stood out to me were Kendrick and Pope. Those two guys have a lot they do in the ring that I'm a fan of. I know Wolfe is the bigger guy right now, but I think Pope could easily be TNA's Booker T long term. I hope Kendrick sticks around long term as I really really liked what I saw out of him.

[Craig Edwards]

I can't wait until this is put up the TNA Vault so i can watch it. I got 6 months worth of it a few months ago

[PeterHilton]

Here are my thoughts:

Great stuff in-ring. The matches were solid up and down the card.

I HATE the way the end of the Hall/Pac vs Beer Money and Anderson vs Abyss matches were booked.

Hall looked like hell and him slapping around a fan who looked 12 to distract Nash was ridiculous. Unless this latest outburst get's Hall "fired" on Thursday I felt like that really hurt the match.

And having Anderson beat a semi-midcarder like Abyss with brass knuckles, after all that hype and calling him a future world champion, was a TERRIBLE idea.

But besides those two booking mistakes, I really enjoyed the show. AJ/Angle was awesome and I actually loved the swerve. AJ would need someone like Flair to get him over as a heel.

[Gouge]

Screw Scott Hall. He knew he was coming in and had been wrestling regularly on the indies. And now the day of the PPV, he gets worried cause he has a gut as if he's never noticed? Ridiculous. This is, what, the third time he's punked out on a match? And a PPV match at that?

Christopher Daniels losing to Sean Morely is an absolute joke. I love Sean Morely too, but he has no business cleanly going over a guy who was just main eventing in two MOTY candidates.

Other than that, great show. The wrestling was solid and I loved the ending. AJ officially turns heel and Ric Flair screws Kurt over. Great stuff.

[Basmat01]

Im kinda sad TNA got rid of the 6-sided ring. I thought it was great and gave wrestling something alittle different and gave TNA something else to promote

Hogan cant count past 4 hence the change.

[tristram]

Ok... I'm a week behind (I think), and am starting to get through Impact when the wifey gives me leave to use the TV!!!

Have only seen the first match of that show, Generation Me versus MCMG. Wow! The "This is awesome" chants should have been echoing around the arena. Only thing counting against Generation Me is physically they are rather bland. They really time in a solarium and at the gym. I like MCMG and obviously now Generation Me, and I have a lot of time for Lethal-Creed, so I'm kind of hoping to see someone out of those teams starting to move up the card. I feel MCMG have been left to stagnate too long, even though they've excelled down the card its time to let them go up the card I feel.

[Craig Edwards]

what is a solarium, do you mean a tanning bed as that would of been better to say

[GDE71]

Someone posted that ODB popped a breast implant and that led to the quick 2-0 finish.

Now, I didn't watch the PPV and have no idea if that's true or not.

[brashleyholland]

what is a solarium, do you mean a tanning bed as that would of been better to say

No, he means a solarium. Just because you don't understand what a word means, doesn't mean it's not the correct thing to say.

[alden]

Someone posted that ODB popped a breast implant and that led to the quick 2-0 finish.

Now, I didn't watch the PPV and have no idea if that's true or not.

lol i don't think that is what happend. There was a point where she took something out of her top and looked at it for a moment and threw it out of the ring and shrugged her shoulders. It was near the end if i remember....but i don't think she "popped a implant"

[djthefunkchris]

No, he means a solarium. Just because you don't understand what a word means, doesn't mean it's not the correct thing to say.

A "solarium" is bassically a sun room. Also, it has been used to explain a tanning bed or room as well. By the post, it's not easy to figure out what he means by solarium for sure, but it sounds like he meant they were well tanned, although he might mean something entirely different.

[djthefunkchris]

lol i don't think that is what happend. There was a point where she took something out of her top and looked at it for a moment and threw it out of the ring and shrugged her shoulders. It was near the end if i remember....but i don't think she "popped a implant"

I just seen something on TV last night when I should have been asleep about implants these days. From what I seen (they were going over durability), it's darn near impossible to break them from just pressure. A bullet will penetrate them, but it looks like it's much easier to break a bone then an implant from all the testing they did on them on the show (to include hitting them with a baseball at record speed). So I'm pretty much going to agree with you and say that her busting one is highly unlikely.

[BHK1978]

I did not see the PPV, so did I read that right they got rid of the six-sided ring.:( That sucks!

I read the write up and I must say I have to agree with Gouge, there is no way Daniels should have lost to Val Venis of all people. Yeah Sean is talented but Christopher has been one of the backbones of this company since it started.

[Craig Edwards]

I think the idea is for them to have longer feud than 3 days. you gotta think Most WWE fans know Sean more than Daniels so when Daniels finaly beats him down the Road the WWE fans that TNA is trying to get are going to think Daniel is really good.

[Basmat01]

Sucks to be Daniels lol Went from Main Eventing 2 PPVs to losing to a guy who in a WWE ring had'nt won a match in five years

[HughBatey4]

Did you just say that they think having Chris Daniels FINALLY beat Val Venis is gonna make non-TNA fans think he is good?

Wow. Is Russo still booking? I understand a feud, don't get me wrong, but if they are attempting to get Daniels "over" by beating Venis? No chance. Venis was a comedy character for most of his WWE tenure, and Daniels (other than his stints as Suicide and Curry Man) is a SERIOUS wrestler who has already proven himself to the TNA fanbase.

I'm shocked that the PPV is getting such rave reviews. I watched it, and thought I ordered the wrong show...

Sure, there were some decent matches, though most of them weren't up to the standards of TNA, but the PPV was packed to brim with Hogan, Bischoff, and pointless segments. Borash being "fired" on a PPV? Save that lame crap for Impact, or better yet, don't do it.

I'm getting tired of TNA main events. You reverse my finish, I'll reverse yours, then we'll both take a huge bump that would finish any match, we'll get up, hence destroying any psychology that the match had, along with the credibility of said move, and then we'll go into a spot where we reverse and counter each others finishers again, then we'll end the match five minutes after it should have already ended. 5-Stars! MotY candidate! OMGZ!

[lazorbeak]

Maybe afterwards Daniels can engage in a competitive feud where Scotty 2 Hotty beats him several times before Daniels finally pulls out the win.

[HughBatey4]

Maybe afterwards Daniels can engage in a competitive feud where Scotty 2 Hotty beats him several times before Daniels finally pulls out the win.

Exactly.

[tristram]

A "solarium" is bassically a sun room. Also, it has been used to explain a tanning bed or room as well. By the post, it's not easy to figure out what he means by solarium for sure, but it sounds like he meant they were well tanned, although he might mean something entirely different.

Not quite, I meant they had little tan. Basically, I believe the sky is the limit for them if they could work on their look, they look kinda... ordinary, ordinary by context of pro wrestling standards. In terms of the ring work, I was popping "WOW"'s and "OH MY GOD" relentlessly through that match.

LOL@ crying over terminology. Down here we call them solarium Craig, don't get too upset by the wording.

[BHK1978]

I think the idea is for them to have longer feud than 3 days. you gotta think Most WWE fans know Sean more than Daniels so when Daniels finaly beats him down the Road the WWE fans that TNA is trying to get are going to think Daniel is really good.

Who is to say that the WWF fans will stick around that long?

And I know that this is not going to be very popular opinion but I for one am not happy that they took the titles off of UK Invasion. What is the point of giving the titles to Morgan and Hernandez? I thought the whole point of Morgan and Hernandez was to push them as the future main event wrestlers. I mean if you are going to give Hernandez another tag team title then you should have not broken up LAX. And yes I was an LAX mark so my opinion on this subject could be clouded.

[tristram]

Everyone watching this thing with me commented on just how huge Morgan looks. Extended squash. Morgan/Hernandez win the belts.

If Morgan isn't a major singles star by the end of the year, this writing team is dropping the ball. He has EVERYTHING you could ask for...promos' are decent, an amazing look, he can definitely work a match, and he moves exceptionally well for a man his size.

The E missed on Burke. They missed HUGE on Morgan.

EDIT: That Lashley segment was moronic. Just get rid of that guy.

Yep, I agree, Matt Morgan has an enormous future if booked semi-right.

Also, I can't believe what I'm hearing about 'paper-scissors-rock'. What is wrong with Scott Hall? Seriously, this to me is his LAST chance. His peak was 10 years ago and on nostalgia value he gets one LAST chance. And he doesn't want to take it?

I also cannot believe that they've done away with the six sides. That was a big point of difference, and I think really benefited the X Style with more access to top ropes.

[HughBatey4]

Honestly, I'm glad the six sides are gone. There's a promotion in Royston, GA that uses a six sided ring and it's weird to work in. Unless you're used to it (most in TNA should be, by now), it can really mess things up. You have to think more when you're doing a spot or just anything.

[BHK1978]

Also, I can't believe what I'm hearing about 'paper-scissors-rock'. What is wrong with Scott Hall? Seriously, this to me is his LAST chance. His peak was 10 years ago and on nostalgia value he gets one LAST chance. And he doesn't want to take it?

To be honset with you I am a little shocked that they brought him back this time around. I thought, and maybe someone can confirm this, that he showed up in TNA sometime last year or the year before with the ICP and sat in the crowd as a legit spectator (meaning he was not apart of the official TNA roster and was not there as a guest) and did nothing but drunkley yell at the wrestlers who were having their matches.

Now if that did happen, which like I said I think it did, why in the hell would TNA be willing to work with him again? Like Tristram said he has no value what so ever as far as drawing goes.

[HughBatey4]

To be honset with you I am a little shocked that they brought him back this time around. I thought, and maybe someone can confirm this, that he showed up in TNA sometime last year or the year before with the ICP and sat in the crowd as a legit spectator (meaning he was not apart of the official TNA roster and was not there as a guest) and did nothing but drunkley yell at the wrestlers who were having their matches.

Now if that did happen, which like I said I think it did, why in the hell would TNA be willing to work with him again? Like Tristram said he has no value what so ever as far as drawing goes.

Not only did that happen, it happened ONE YEAR after he no-showed a TNA PPV. He actually showed up in the crowd at the next years PPV, I guess somebody told him the wrong year. I'm a huge Hall fan, so I'm disappointed about all this as well.

[Remianen]

By the way, Tara carrying a tarantula to the ring is really stupid.

Yeah, just like Jake Roberts! And the British Bulldogs! And Koko B. Ware. And....

He's probably fine, but I just don't see how he got this much hype coming in. He hasn't ever been much of anything.

Good for TNA if people watch because of Anderson, but I really thought he sucked. He's just so generic and I've always felt that way about him. All he has is a good voice.

Much of what Ken is known for, there are people who would give anything for. He's not an Elijah Burke level person (but few people that young are) but having that one hook can often make you employable.

Aside from Angle/AJ, the guys that stood out to me were Kendrick and Pope. Those two guys have a lot they do in the ring that I'm a fan of. I know Wolfe is the bigger guy right now, but I think Pope could easily be TNA's Booker T long term. I hope Kendrick sticks around long term as I really really liked what I saw out of him.

Different strokes. Personally, I've never been too high on Booker. I don't think he's nearly as charismatic as Burke is (or at least, it's not as obvious) and Booker T on the mic is like Hattie McDaniels for all intents and purposes. Good caricature though, if that counts for anything.

what is a solarium, do you mean a tanning bed as that would of been better to say

No, he means a solarium. Just because you don't understand what a word means, doesn't mean it's not the correct thing to say.

That's kinda harsh. :p chris is close. Sunrooms are similar to solariums, except for their purpose. If I remember right, solariums are built for sun exposure (and usually out of glass) whereas with sunrooms, the 'sun' part is a bit of a misnomer since they're usually built for casual viewing (not sun exposure). A sunroom is often shaded (you see them a lot in Florida dwellings) whereas a solarium by design is there to invite the sun.

Solarium
http://www.globalsolariums.com/PhotoGallery/homepiccenter.jpg

Sunroom is covered on three sides (roof and both sides) with the front in glass. You can tan in a solarium much easier than a sunroom (since the room's exposure to the sun is much longer and larger).
http://www.globalsolariums.com/PhotoGallery/image-curve-eaves-sunroom.jpg

ANYWAY, I liked the show a lot. They found the perfect capacity for Ric Flair and the one person on the entire roster who can profit (the company and his own stock) most from Flair. I wouldn't be mad if they build a stable around these two (get some more folks learning at the feet of one of the masters).

[ColtCabana]

yeah if he didn't do what he did to get fired he might of been WWE champion by now

What did he do? I've missed alot of wrestling.

[The Shape]

Didn't watch this, but read the results and now I definitely might at some point. The main event finish sounds like it just makes...complete sense, which is something rare for TNA lol. Doesn't look like they overused the old guys, and well...Kennedy. I might actually watch just to see how he gets along. He's someone who could've been huge and time after time stuff got in his way...sometimes it was his own fault, sometimes just downright bad luck. Injured just as the MITB needed to be used on Taker, the Benoit scandal cancelling the limo thing, the suspension messing up the McMahon's son storyline. Hope he makes it big in TNA.

Jeff Hardy though...I seriously see him making a WWE return this year, as soon as the law problems are out of the way. I think his appearance on TNA will have triggered them into giving him what he wants, be it a reduced schedule or whatever else.

[Moe Hunter]

What did he do? I've missed alot of wrestling.

He "injured" Randy Orton, who didn't suffer any injury from the incident. It was a back suplex that was actually pretty standardly performed, Orton just landed by rolling on his shoulder then freaked out (much like he did to Kofi this past week). He allegedly complained backstage that Kennedy dropped him on his head, which is clearly false. Nevertheless, Kennedy was released.

Speaking of Orton and injuries though, remember when he "got into a motorcycle accident" and "broke his collarbone" while getting his tattoo sleeves done? I seem to recall something shady going on there.

[James Casey]

He "injured" Randy Orton, who didn't suffer any injury from the incident. It was a back suplex that was actually pretty standardly performed, Orton just landed by rolling on his shoulder then freaked out (much like he did to Kofi this past week). He allegedly complained backstage that Kennedy dropped him on his head, which is clearly false. Nevertheless, Kennedy was released.

Strictly speaking, he got a huge build-up, came back poised for a feud with Randy Orton, and after a string of injuries and suspensions he came recklessly close in his first match back to causing a serious injury to the World champion, who has a history of neck and shoulder injuries.

Kennedy screwed up a move you'd expect him to hit every time. He did it in the main event of Raw, against one of the company's most valuable workers, and did so in a way that made me sit up and go 'he blew that' - and I'm not a wrestler or anything, just a fan.

Given that Kennedy was the one who popped Cena's shoulder muscle, which led to him vacating the title, WWE seem to have taken the view that he'd had all his chances.

[Stennick]

So I spent my time watching real entertainment yesterday in the form of the NFL and missed out on all of they hype for TNA and then their actual show.

I come on here and people are bitching about Hall, what happened? I read the results and he was on the show and Hogan said he'd see them Thursday so was he late? Did he show up drunk? What happened? It didn't sound like anything fishy on the results but I've clearly missed something

[Moe Hunter]

Given that Kennedy was the one who popped Cena's shoulder muscle, which led to him vacating the title, WWE seem to have taken the view that he'd had all his chances.

I'd love to hear how Kennedy was responsible for Cena botching his hiptoss. Was Rey Mysterio responsible for Mark Henry smashing his knee on that SNME?

Reviewing the footage again on the suplex to Orton, the only thing possibly wrong with Kennedy's execution was it looks like he pushed up slighlty too much with the hand that's at his ass. The drop was straight enough, Orton didn't have to twist around like he did - it's not Chavo he's facing.

[The Shape]

Looks to me like Orton was just not up for receiving a back suplex full stop.

[James Casey]

I'd love to hear how Kennedy was responsible for Cena botching his hiptoss.

Eh, fair point. I haven't seen it since it happened, and thought it was the other way round - Kennedy botching a move he did to Cena.

I suspect that Orton over-compensated because he was lifted too high. That was certainly my reading of it - and that would be Kennedy's problem. If you're in the ring with Randy Orton the one thing you don't do is risk injuring his neck. I'm sure Kennedy didn't do it deliberately - chances are he was just amped to be back in the ring, following a big build, in a major program, on the flagship show. However, he had to shoulder the blame (no pun intended).

However, I also have a suspicion that Kennedy's derailing may also have had something to do with his performances overall. I watch everything WWE puts out (bar ECW most weeks) and my memory of his career is basically:


Blah US title run
Shockingly good match with Batista
MitB winner
Constantly injured
Made to look like a jackass over the steroid stuff. Again and again. And again.


It seemed like he was always on the cusp of doing something, but then what with one thing or another he never cracked the top tier.

Maybe if he'd been given a little more tolerance he could have done a Jeff Hardy and exploded... but it just seems like he was on his very last chance, and when the World champion turns around and says he botched a simple move and nearly injured him, well, his last chance was gone.

[justtxyank]

So I spent my time watching real entertainment yesterday in the form of the NFL and missed out on all of they hype for TNA and then their actual show.

I come on here and people are bitching about Hall, what happened? I read the results and he was on the show and Hogan said he'd see them Thursday so was he late? Did he show up drunk? What happened? It didn't sound like anything fishy on the results but I've clearly missed something

Scott Hall decided he was too fat to wrestle so he pulled out of the match backstage. To cover for it, TNA did a storyline where Easy E told Hall and Pac that neither had a contract with TNA and they had to earn it. Pac and Hall played rock paper scissors to determine who got to tag with Nash in the main event. Pac won so Hall wouldn't have to wrestle since he was embarrassed about how he looked in tights.

[justtxyank]

Yeah, just like Jake Roberts! And the British Bulldogs! And Koko B. Ware. And....

Absolutely it was stupid when the Bulldogs brought an actual dog to the ring. And yes, Koko B. Ware's bird was stupid as well, but at least he was the "Birdman" and the bird and his vibrant colors matched what they were trying to do. Jake was different because the snake was really big and terrifying and it could legit hurt someone.

The tarantula? It's dumb because it can't hurt anyone and when she puts it on someone's stomach it's like "ooooh gross!" I mean, it's just stupid. She needs to drop all the spider stuff. When she does the tarantula on the ropes it looks stupid as well.

Much of what Ken is known for, there are people who would give anything for. He's not an Elijah Burke level person (but few people that young are) but having that one hook can often make you employable.

I get that his voice and personality draws him a lot of fans, I just don't care about it. His work in the ring is very generic. He's not flashy at all and he doesn't excel at any particular thing in the ring.

Here are my thoughts:

Great stuff in-ring. The matches were solid up and down the card.

I HATE the way the end of the Hall/Pac vs Beer Money and Anderson vs Abyss matches were booked.

Hall looked like hell and him slapping around a fan who looked 12 to distract Nash was ridiculous. Unless this latest outburst get's Hall "fired" on Thursday I felt like that really hurt the match.

I think it is going to lead to him being fired or something like that, it also played up the difference between Nash and those two.

Did you just say that they think having Chris Daniels FINALLY beat Val Venis is gonna make non-TNA fans think he is good?

Wow. Is Russo still booking? I understand a feud, don't get me wrong, but if they are attempting to get Daniels "over" by beating Venis? No chance. Venis was a comedy character for most of his WWE tenure, and Daniels (other than his stints as Suicide and Curry Man) is a SERIOUS wrestler who has already proven himself to the TNA fanbase.

I think they are trying to get Sean Morley over with the TNA fanbase personally. I've never been a big fan of Daniels, so I have no problem with him losing to Morley, but I get why other people don't like it.

I'm shocked that the PPV is getting such rave reviews. I watched it, and thought I ordered the wrong show...

Sure, there were some decent matches, though most of them weren't up to the standards of TNA, but the PPV was packed to brim with Hogan, Bischoff, and pointless segments. Borash being "fired" on a PPV? Save that lame crap for Impact, or better yet, don't do it.

To each his own I guess. Hogan was on for a total of what, 15 minutes maybe? Bischoff about the same? Considering the major storyline right now is Easy E and Hogan taking over, I thought they were necessary to be on the show. Maybe you just aren't a fan of either guy?

I'm getting tired of TNA main events. You reverse my finish, I'll reverse yours, then we'll both take a huge bump that would finish any match, we'll get up, hence destroying any psychology that the match had, along with the credibility of said move, and then we'll go into a spot where we reverse and counter each others finishers again, then we'll end the match five minutes after it should have already ended. 5-Stars! MotY candidate! OMGZ!

I completely agree with this. The multiple finishers thing is so stupid. Especially the Angle Slam off of the top rope not ending the match. If you want to sell that, you need to do it the way DDP/Goldberg did it years ago where DDP was so worn out by the time he hit his move that it took him forever to make the cover. Angle hitting his moves and then making an instant cover for a 2 count is dumb. I couldn't help but "lol" last night when all that happened, including Angle hitting AJ with a Styles Clash. Hahaha.

[Hive]

you need to do it the way DDP/Goldberg did it years ago where DDP was so worn out by the time he hit his move that it took him forever to make the cover.

That match is something wrestlers should aspire to replicate. It may not have had a number of flashy moves or great technical wrestling, but it told a story perfectly. It had great selling and logic.

[cappyboy]

I get that his voice and personality draws him a lot of fans, I just don't care about it. His work in the ring is very generic. He's not flashy at all and he doesn't excel at any particular thing in the ring.


Right on, Brudda.

In fact, something just struck me as I was reading this. Remember the other thread recently about how great being presented by Ted DiBiase has been in WWE? And then Virgil came up. I was defending Virgil saying he wasn't as "horrible" as the one poster suggested. Noting that Virgil was the guy who happened to catch the right eyes the right way at the right time and it frustrated some folks because it wasn't their favorite guy instead.

That's what I see in Anderson. He's Virgil to me. If he were the main eventer in an old-school ECW or an AWA level promotion, I doubt I'd have much issue with the guy. That seems to be right about where his skill set really fits in. But in a company like WWE or what TNA hopes to be, he's in over his head. Or at least it feels like he is. He's risen beyond where he fits in the grand scheme of things. Above his level of competence.

In C-Verse terms, I see Anderson more as a world champion in USPW than I do an SWF or TCW. What I'd really like to see is him flop out of TNA and end up at the PWG level of the sport for the rest of his career. It's the fact he has just enough of a hook that the real-world promoters disagree and likely won't let that happen that frosts me when I see him. That hook seems to be the only thing that saves him from the exact same kind and level of hate that Virgil gets.

[Wrestling Century]

I saw the PPV last night and I thought it was awesome! The Angle-Styles match had me on the edge of my seat with all of the finishers and reversals. I was rooting for AJ (with my markiness turned on) and when Angle hit the Angle Slam off the top rope I thought that it was over. The mark inside of me was pissed off that AJ cheated to win! Remember, this is all IMO. So no arguments! :D

[Bigpapa42]

My thoughts on the PPV...

-Hogan seemed surprised by the fan's reaction to the six-sided ring being gone, and that bothered me for some reason. He didn't seem to realize that it meant something to some fans. When you are proclaiming to be "giving the fans what they want", that's worrisome. Though I have to admit I don't really take the Impact Zone fans as fully indicitive of the TNA fanbase by any means.

-the debut of Brian Kedrick didn't do a lot for me. Like the guy, but there are already too many ignored talents in the X Division. Decent enough match.

-the Morley-Daniels match left a bad taste in my mouth. I've always liked Morley and in a basic sense, I understand why TNA brought him in. Why have him go over a guy who main evented the last pay per view? Why have him rehash an Attitude Era gimmick? It sure didn't seem like the fans were accepting him as the babyface here. I guess I'm just not seeing the long-term upside to Morley going over Daniels here.

-I read that ODB popped an implant, the reason that the Best 2 out of 3 Falls match ended in 2 straight falls. Otherwise, I'm not sure why even use the gimmick match.

-liked the Mogan-Hernandez vs British Invasion match. Nothing special but it worked. Its a been disappointing that it keeps Morgan and Hernandez in the midcard for now, but at least they should be on-screen and such.

-quite liked Wolfe-Pope. Solid match. More than made up for the iffy Pope win on the Monday night Impact.

-the Beer Money vs Nash-Waltman match was better than I expected. Stupid end to the match, though. Good win for Beer Money, but a win over Nash-Hall would've meant more as they were the experienced tandem. I'm guessing the "incident" will be used as a stroryline reason to drive Hall and Waltman out TNA. Which leads to me just questioning why they brought in again. Beyond the "Hogan getting them a payday", I just don't see a real purpose to it. Assuming its to emphasize the "we're not doing that anymore" idea, simply doing that again isn't the best way to do it.

-Abyss agains Anderson was pretty awful. I like Anderson. I used to like Abyss, before they utterly neutered his character. But it was not a good match. The addition of Anderson is interesting. The hype they gave him is a bit risky, but it could pay off. He needs to produce better matches than this one, however. I also didn't like the use of brass knuckles - yeah, it puts forth Anderson as an obvious heel, but it almost kinda makes him look weak, when he's been hyped as such a major addition and talent.

-the main event was good. Not great, but good. The end kinda ruined it for me. Not just the overuse of finishers - something I'm bothered by more and more - but also the Flair interference. TNA continues to be as Sports Entertainment as the WWE, despite their claims about being something different. The heel turn for AJ is interesting, but I'm not sure the fans are really going to treat him as a proper heel at this point.

Overall, didn't mind the PPV but it was hardly spectacular. Compared to some of the recent TNA PPVs, it felt a step down.

[Hyde Hill]

Decent ppv not great but good imho.

Don't like AJ as a heel personally and don't think Flair can ad much to him, but that is maybe because I am not a fan of Flair at this point.

What is more worrying is with AJ as heel who is the top contender? Lashley has that tournament win for a title shot but is heel, Joe has the briefcase but is heel. Angle is face now but not allowed. Morgan and Hernandez are tied up with the tag team scene. Wolf is heel, Daniels is heel, Anderson is heel. So that leaves us with Abyss who has been losing lately but can have a good match with AJ and Hardy with his legal problems.

Daniels losing to Morley??? Why?? Kendrick looked good in defeat could have done the same for Sean. Both decent matches though.

Tara over ODB, why two straight falls? The running powerslam should have gotten 1 for ODB imho. Wasn't an implant but a bra filling/stuffing she lost. And implants can bust from impact it depends on the type as both Mickie James and I think Gail Kim needed time off recently for exactly that reason (happened during house shows). Hope they move on as these two just don't work together well. This was a mediocre match and the best of their three encounters nuff said.

Acquisitions: Kendrick and Anderson are both decent and expected, nothing earth shattering though and Anderson looked rusty and had the worst match of the night with Abyss who needs some cred and intensity back.

Beer money going over = good. Camera and crowd distracted by Hall beating up a 12 year old plant was bad although shocking at first. But given the reaction by Bisch and Hulk definitely a plant. Not having 2 advertised matches = also bad. Given the competitors involved decent match. Beer Money rocks.

Wolfe vs Burke was (very) good plain and simple. Love both of them and good story told in the ring. And yes that Kia girl is smoking.

AJ vs Angle very good match and given their past matches over the years it is understandable that because they know each other so well and are so close to each other in level plus their love and passion for the belt they need multiple finishers.

Removing Borash? Why? I know he is a bit of an acquaired taste but at least he has a personality. Him and Lauren where a great backstage crew. Hemme is doing decently so far. At least no Love Spunge this time. Also no Nasty Boys, OJ, Vicious or god forbid Leslie sightings.

Edit: Forgot the tag title bout, decent match and title change although a dq finish would have been fine as well. All four men did well and putting these two in the tags till they figure out what to do with them in singles is fine. Thought Brits would retain though given the fact that TNA will be touring the UK shortly.

[jwt13]

Did you just say that they think having Chris Daniels FINALLY beat Val Venis is gonna make non-TNA fans think he is good?

Wow. Is Russo still booking? I understand a feud, don't get me wrong, but if they are attempting to get Daniels "over" by beating Venis? No chance. Venis was a comedy character for most of his WWE tenure, and Daniels (other than his stints as Suicide and Curry Man) is a SERIOUS wrestler who has already proven himself to the TNA fanbase.

I'm shocked that the PPV is getting such rave reviews. I watched it, and thought I ordered the wrong show...

Sure, there were some decent matches, though most of them weren't up to the standards of TNA, but the PPV was packed to brim with Hogan, Bischoff, and pointless segments. Borash being "fired" on a PPV? Save that lame crap for Impact, or better yet, don't do it.

I'm getting tired of TNA main events. You reverse my finish, I'll reverse yours, then we'll both take a huge bump that would finish any match, we'll get up, hence destroying any psychology that the match had, along with the credibility of said move, and then we'll go into a spot where we reverse and counter each others finishers again, then we'll end the match five minutes after it should have already ended. 5-Stars! MotY candidate! OMGZ!

I watched the PPV to and I thought it was great I usaly order WWE only but this was better than any WWE PPV I've ever ordered. But as for it being packed with useless segments I have to disagree Hogan and Bischoff were on screen mayben twenty minutes the whole show which was three hours the only segment that wasnt needed was the JB Easy E segment but even then we had Flair that surved a bit of purpose but thats it. The Main Event was great and the AJ heel turns going to make him a bigger star with Flair by his side. The Hogan promo at the start was really good and I loved how he called Vince out at the end of his promo.

[FINisher]

Hating to see the results and info about the PPV.

- Removing the six sided ring is one of the most stupid decisions in TNA history EVER. Completely the wrong direction to go as TNA should feel and look unique and apart from WWE.

- I don't like the new signings at all. Glad that several of them got boo's.

- Haven't yet seen the Main event but I'm afraid that one good match won't save a PPV. :/

With each passing year I've watched TNA less and less. I'm done watching WWE and it seems to be quite obvious that it's perhaps time to be done watching TNA too.

[PeterHilton]

Weird.

I liked the PPV. Quite a bit actually.

I mentioned the booking issues I had. But other than that I don't feel like there were any "OMG this is stooopidsz" moments.

I've read reviews on-line that are absolutely killling the six-sided ring decision and the AJ turn. But I think both decisions were the right decision long term.

The matches LOOKED better in the standard ring. And the performers had more room.

AJ's turn was well done, and Flair played his part well. It's going to be one of those standard "if you really want to be the Man, you have to be willing to do whatever it takes'kind of deals..but a srandard storyline in TNA is not a bad thing.

I'm wondering who his next opponent will be since so many of the upper midcard are heels, but we'll see.

Regarding Morley/Daniels: if TNA wants us to take Morley seriously, they needed to give hima serious gimmick..have him reject the Val Venis thing totally and THEN try to push him into a feud with someone like Daniels.

There was a really good ECW diary where guys like Nick Dinsmore and Shane Helms made it a point to kill their old persona before moving into a new role...something like that..

[justtxyank]

I agree with you Hilton. For the first time in a long time I actually enjoyed a wrestling ppv pretty much all the way through.

On Morley: What's interesting to me is that he has been a smark favorite for years. Anti-WWEites have pointed to him as proof that the E was stoopid. Here was this great worker not being pushed to the moon! The E ran a poll on their website a few years back to see who should get a world title shot, and Val Venis either won it or came close, entirely on smark votes. He goes to TNA and before he ever works a match, those same voices are deriding it as "WCW ALL OVER AGAIN OMG!!!"

Give it a chance, dang! Now I will say that I hate that he is using his Val Venis gimmick still. I hate that gimmick and always have. If they would get rid of that crap I think he'd be taken a lot more seriously.

[lazorbeak]

Give it a chance, dang! Now I will say that I hate that he is using his Val Venis gimmick still. I hate that gimmick and always have. If they would get rid of that crap I think he'd be taken a lot more seriously.

Again, the complaints are completely justified because they aren't "Sean Morley isn't talented" it's that this guy is using the exact same gimmick that was tiresome when he stopped using it way back during his heel runs in the RTC or as Chief Morley. Not only that, despite coming in with what was a jobber comedy gimmick, he's been pushed over a guy that was main eventing pay per view a month ago! Why, exactly, shouldn't people be annoyed about that? I'd have been fine if Morley showed up, cut a promo about how he demands to be taken seriously and blah blah blah, and now he's not a cartoon character. Instead, he was introduced during a useless strip-poker vignette wearing a towel. Granted, it's hard to make room for the 58283947 guys debuting on your show, especially when you give 5 minutes to guys with legal troubles who probably haven't actually signed a contract yet, but you only get one chance to make a first impression.

Also, I don't get defending the six-sided ring, especially the "it makes them different from WWE" argument. Every other wrestling promotion in America ever has used a 4 sided ring, and TNA's wasn't different, it was gimmicky. If anybody could show me where the six sides made for original spots or improved matches or did anything other than look tiny, let me know. If TNA wants to be different they need more substantial differences than the number of turnbuckles.

[FINisher]

Main event was very good, perhaps **** star match but in the end only ***/***+ due to the screwjob finish, I really hate any good match to end in tainted/cheap finish. *Sigh* I think I'll just read results from now on.

[justtxyank]

Val Venis was never a jobber comedy gimmick in his prime. LOL?

He was the IC champ and a ton of tv time was devoted to his feud with guys like Shamrock and Goldust.

[lazorbeak]

Val Venis was never a jobber comedy gimmick in his prime. LOL?

He was the IC champ and a ton of tv time was devoted to his feud with guys like Shamrock and Goldust.

I don't care what he was in his prime doing a gimmick TWELVE YEARS AGO. From 2003 to 2009 he had the EXACT SAME GIMMICK and was used as a comedy jobber.

Welcome to 2010.

[justtxyank]

I don't care what he was in his prime doing a gimmick TWELVE YEARS AGO. From 2003 to 2009 he had the EXACT SAME GIMMICK and was used as a comedy jobber.

Welcome to 2010.

I didn't think they used him gimmick really from 03-09 very often. I didn't watch much E during this time period though.

Anyway, I agree that gimmick is stupid and shouldn't be on tv.

[Hive]

Bubba The Love Sponge seems to have gotten himself fired due to stupid comments regarding Haiti, awesome.

[jwt13]

Bubba The Love Sponge seems to have gotten himself fired due to stupid comments regarding Haiti, awesome.

I agree with Bubba though why should comments that he makes off TNA air cause him his job I dont see how thats right its his radio show and freedom of speech shouldn't cause a man his job.

But I'm glad he's gone :D he's not made for wrestling

[justtxyank]

I agree with Bubba though why should comments that he makes off TNA air cause him his job I dont see how thats right its his radio show and freedom of speech shouldn't cause a man his job.

But I'm glad he's gone :D he's not made for wrestling

Freedom of speech is the most misunderstood concept in America. The Constitution does not guarantee you the right to say whatever you want without repercussions. When you say things that can damage your employer's reputation, you better believe you can get fired.

[jwt13]

Freedom of speech is the most misunderstood concept in America. The Constitution does not guarantee you the right to say whatever you want without repercussions. When you say things that can damage your employer's reputation, you better believe you can get fired.

I know that some things will have repercussions but they knew that he had a rep of saying stupid stuff on his show and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.

[alden]

I agree with Bubba though why should comments that he makes off TNA air cause him his job I dont see how thats right its his radio show and freedom of speech shouldn't cause a man his job.



Don Imus says hello ;)

[jwt13]

Don Imus says hello ;)

well...yea you got a point lol :)

[justtxyank]

I know that some things will have repercussions but they knew that he had a rep of saying stupid stuff on his show and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.

Well, they SHOULDN'T have hired him in the first place. :)

That said, I don't think they expected him to say F Haiti in the middle of one of the world's worst humanitarian disasters in the modern era. It would really reflect poorly on them if he we were to continue his association with TNA.

[PeterHilton]

Freedom of speech is the most misunderstood concept in America. The Constitution does not guarantee you the right to say whatever you want without repercussions. When you say things that can damage your employer's reputation, you better believe you can get fired.

I know that some things will have repercussions but they knew that he had a rep of saying stupid stuff on his show and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.

All kinds of good stuff here:

Bubba has the right to his opinion and to express his opinion as he so chooses.

But when you send out a tweet essentially saying 'F*** Haiti' you are asking for negative feedback. To make it worse, he did that just a few hours after Dixie proudly talked about TNA's efforts to help with donations.

So not only did you attract negative attention to your employer, but you called them stupid and questioned their priorities.

So Bubba's an idiot.

But jwt also has a good point: attracting negative feedback is sort of this guy's job, so if TNA wasn't ready to deal with that, then they shouldn't have hired him.

That was a bad, mostly Hogan-related move and hopefully it's fixed quickly, because he's terrible on-screen and in no way, shape, or form, justifies TNA having to put up with any outside BS at all. He's not worth it.

[justtxyank]

But jwt also has a good point: attracting negative feedback is sort of this guy's job, so if TNA wasn't ready to deal with that, then they shouldn't have hired him.

That was a bad, mostly Hogan-related move and hopefully it's fixed quickly, because he's terrible on-screen and in no way, shape, or form, justifies TNA having to put up with any outside BS at all. He's not worth it.

Yeah he was a mistake to be sure. TNA was silly to get in bed with him. The problem with guys like him or any other shock jock, is any positives you get from their audience quickly turns into a burning case of genital herpes as soon as you do something to make them unhappy.

[PeterHilton]

Yeah he was a mistake to be sure. TNA was silly to get in bed with him. The problem with guys like him or any other shock jock, is any positives you get from their audience quickly turns into a burning case of genital herpes as soon as you do something to make them unhappy.

Speaking of which...

These are all posts from his twitter account via 411mania.com. Apparently Bubba is crying about how TNA is treating him since he made his comments:

Bubba speaks…

- Bubba The Love Sponge made some new postings on his Twitter, discussing Jeremy Borash being taken off of TV and the fact that some fans want him fired…

* "Going to bed had a long talk with Eric b. I don't want to take over jbs backstage interviews. I may have to walk away. Cause I don't agree"

"With letting him go. Now if I would happen to take those interviews over. All ready I'm the bad guy. That's not cool. Already some bull****"

"Going down and I'm in the middle of it. I have to take a long hard look at weather I want to really do this or not. Bubba"

* "As a matter fact there is a face book group page that has now started trying to get Dixie Carter to fire me. Bubba

Bubba The Love Sponge has been busy on Twitter today. Now he says that TNA isn't ready for him, and is asking the Bubba Army for support…

* "And what does my Haiti comments have to do with tna wrestling. I didn't say them on dixies air. I don't think tna is ready 4someone like me"

* "I shoot hard from the hip and ms Carter (although i have a ton of respect 4her) has never had a guy that is as outrageous as I am and has a"

* "Nationwide delevery method. So right now I would describe our relationship like oil and water. And it's not good. Bubba"

* "Hey bubba army do me a favor since it looks like the amount of followers mean something will u please ask ur friends 2spread the word and"

* "Lets get a number that would make people think twice about messing with us. Bubba"

- More Twitter drama from Bubba The Love Sponge, who was apparently uninvited to a production meeting today…

"here in orlando things r all messed up. Was suppose to be at the prod meeting @11 they called and said not 2 come???"

"I was suppose 2bpart of the outsiders deal and somebody over ruled hogan on it and I sat in the back all night about"

- To follow more of the drama, you can check out earlier posts here and here. it seems that all of this is coming from Bubba's original statement, when he proclaimed, " "F*** Haiti" in response to the US sending aid to the country. TNA has been supporting the effort to help Haiti.

I'm going to say the same thing that I said after I saw Anderson need knux to beat Abyss:

Seriously TNA? SERIOUSLY???

[jwt13]

Wait someone over ruled Hogan???:eek::p

[brashleyholland]

All kinds of good stuff here:

Bubba has the right to his opinion and to express his opinion as he so chooses.

But when you send out a tweet essentially saying 'F*** Haiti' you are asking for negative feedback. To make it worse, he did that just a few hours after Dixie proudly talked about TNA's efforts to help with donations.



Spot on. If the grapefruits are big enough to make comments like that, fine. But if thats the case then they are also big enough to deal with the consiquences, such as losing your job.

It brings to mind that old saying: "It's better to keep you mouth shut and let everyone think you're an idiot than open it and remove all doubt!"

[justtxyank]

What a disaster that's going to become. Now his punks are going to start antagonizing TNA. Brilliant move guys.

[HughBatey4]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

[dcxbox]

best tna ppv ive seen in a long time. solid matches from start to finish. nothing really terrible on the show although i didnt get the point of hall throwing out a planted fan" maybe they are just playing off halls history a little over board somewhat. but overall good show for a show with little time to actually have any build for matches.

i'm glad the ring has changed, intsead of that gimmick 6 sided rind that looked like a toy. loved the main event, and that they are finally turning styles into a champion who isn't weak. jan 4th they had hogan put him over and now flair joins styles. styles as a heel can have serious potential.

im waiting for styles to turn on sting and for flair vs sting to happen, then ill be happy.

[dcxbox]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

i agree with bubba to a point, but also we do help others and other countries including hati have helped us here in new orleans after katrina.

[jwt13]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

Well thats you but i'd go out of my way to help them I know first hand how natral disaters can affect people I lost famliy in Katrenia. But as for us falling apart weve built a rep for helping during these situations and we have to go help and as we should.

[justtxyank]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, if you are going to work for a company that's success is measured by how well they get other people to buy their product or buy advertising space during their shows, you can't say things that make people not want to do that.

[HughBatey4]

Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, if you are going to work for a company that's success is measured by how well they get other people to buy their product or buy advertising space during their shows, you can't say things that make people not want to do that.

Oh definitely. That's why I said agreed with Bubba about Haiti, not TNA.

The guy is obviously an idiot when it comes to PR.

[dcxbox]

other than the hati comments, alot of this i feel comes off as a storyline they are working virally . much like russo has been on facebook.

[PeterHilton]

Possibly. But then why fire a backstage personality and then replace him with someone who's so disliked? to set up for the triumphant return of.....Jeremy Borash????

[dcxbox]

Possibly. But then why fire a backstage personality and then replace him with someone who's so disliked? to set up for the triumphant return of.....Jeremy Borash????

borash can end up siding with foley and jarret in the storyline. who knows. i feel pac and hall may side with foley and jarret, but no idea yet.

[brashleyholland]

Maybe they can draw a posotive out of the Hall situation. He gets a reaction after all, so why not play off it. I wouldn't mind seeing him walk a fine line for a few weeks as long as he isn't in the ring. Keep him around, in the background, make it part of the story.

Maybe he gets some dirt on Hogan from Jerrett so that he can use blackmail to keep his job? Double J is clearly out to get Hogan, so having Hall as his man on the inside might make sense...

[Tha Black Phenom]

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart

It's gotten that critical yet? :eek: oh my.. :rolleyes:

[Moe Hunter]

On Morley: What's interesting to me is that he has been a smark favorite for years. Anti-WWEites have pointed to him as proof that the E was stoopid. Here was this great worker not being pushed to the moon! The E ran a poll on their website a few years back to see who should get a world title shot, and Val Venis either won it or came close, entirely on smark votes. He goes to TNA and before he ever works a match, those same voices are deriding it as "WCW ALL OVER AGAIN OMG!!!"

As part of that historic vote for Val Venis, I can assure you it was all done as a joke by the GameFAQs PWB. Yeah people like him and see his talent, but more than anything this was a "chance to get a jobber a WT shot".

Val Venis was never a jobber comedy gimmick in his prime. LOL?

He was the IC champ and a ton of tv time was devoted to his feud with guys like Shamrock and Goldust.

Yeah, in 1999. Since 2003, I believe he's only had one proper, even, good match - against King Booker. Other than that, TOTAL comedy jobber.

[Hive]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

An estimated 150.000 people died because of this earthquake in Haiti, a nation not exactly doing well as it was. Earlier today, I read a report about old, sick and immobile people lying around helpless in the ruins of a retirement home without food or medicine, with rats eating off their over-filled diapers.

In comparison, you're sitting at home being cozy while chatting online about something as trivial as wrestling.

All I can ask is... are you serious? I mean... really?

[b0shey]

Before tonight's TNA iMPACT tapings began in Orlando, members of the TNA staff addressed the crowd at the iMPACT Zone about their behavior.

Fans were told not to curse, make obscene gestures or gang signs. The fans were referred to as "cast members" and were basically told they needed to be quiet, according to a fan in attendance.

This is likely another decision made by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, who haven't been pleased with some of the reactions from the TNA crowd lately.

now Hogan and Bischoff tell the crowd what to do, talk about running the show

[Bigpapa42]

Before tonight's TNA iMPACT tapings began in Orlando, members of the TNA staff addressed the crowd at the iMPACT Zone about their behavior.

Fans were told not to curse, make obscene gestures or gang signs. The fans were referred to as "cast members" and were basically told they needed to be quiet, according to a fan in attendance.

This is likely another decision made by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, who haven't been pleased with some of the reactions from the TNA crowd lately.

now Hogan and Bischoff tell the crowd what to do, talk about running the show

The great irony of this is that Hogan and Biscoff keep talking about TNA being "real wrestling" and giving the fans "real wrestling"... and yet they want them to in accordance to certain set paradigms. That seems very "Sports Entertainment" to me.

I can understand the frustration on the part of Hogan and Bischoff, but did they really have no understanding at all of TNA fans before they came on board?

[dcxbox]

The great irony of this is that Hogan and Biscoff keep talking about TNA being "real wrestling" and giving the fans "real wrestling"... and yet they want them to in accordance to certain set paradigms. That seems very "Sports Entertainment" to me.

I can understand the frustration on the part of Hogan and Bischoff, but did they really have no understanding at all of TNA fans before they came on board?

i think they just want to control the smarks in the crowed that always ruin everything. tna is sports entertainment as well as it should be but tna is more wrestling style than wwe is. both sports entertainment but different. if they want boring wrestling they can go to evolve or dragons gate . if they want something entertaining for mainstreme, they have tna and wwe as choices. not saying wrestling is boring but its not for main stream and no one watches wrestling to just see wrestling. those fans just want a night of spot fests. spot fests are fn awesome, but when controlled, not whenits the entire damn show. tna needs to move out of the impact zone.

those fans can't really complain, they get in for free anyways.

[alden]

tna has always had a few very vocal fans.....the ppv last night was a perfect example of it. there were so many chants during the show last night it was crazy. hogan and bishoff got alot of heat last night also. the fans went nuts for the new ring. I don't think hogan really understood that the people wanted that *or atleast the hardcore fans in the audience did*.

I think they are going to have to move away from the impact zone if they want people to "be quiet" as they are not going to get that from the fans now.

[brashleyholland]

This is likely another decision made by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, who haven't been pleased with some of the reactions from the TNA crowd lately.

now Hogan and Bischoff tell the crowd what to do, talk about running the show

That's just speculating though. Isn't TNA recored in a theme park or something? Can anyone get in? Maybe Universal Studios don't want 'gang signs' and coarse language if young kids can get in?

Maybe Spike have had a hand in it? Maybe if TNA *do* want to compete with WWE (who put out a family friendly product) then they feel that they need a tamer crowd in order to attract a more mainstream audience?

[MrCanada]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

Obviously. You must think about yourself first and only. I wish doctors and farmers and such worked like that as well.

America's problem, as a friendly neighbor to your north, is how selfish you are in the fact the rest of the world hates you. Maybe if you worked on that second thing a bit some of the first problems like economy and stuff would go away. If more countries were stable and economically diverse, thats more trade, more trade = more production, more production = more jobs....

Sometimes I really really really hate how dense and selfish people can be (Canadians, Americans, Brits, Japanease, ext ext ext) it just seems to shine as bright in America as the red, white, & blue.

[Candyman]

As much heat as I'm going to get for this, I agree with Bubba.

Not about TNA, but about Haiti. Our country is falling apart and we're more concerned with another country's problems.

I wrote a long ranting response to this, but realized that's neither necessary nor appropriate for this thread. I'll keep it simple: our helping Haiti has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on our ability to fix our own country. That's like saying McDonald's shouldn't be creating a dollar breakfast menu when Natalee Holloway is still missing.

[dcxbox]

That's just speculating though. Isn't TNA recored in a theme park or something? Can anyone get in? Maybe Universal Studios don't want 'gang signs' and coarse language if young kids can get in?

Maybe Spike have had a hand in it? Maybe if TNA *do* want to compete with WWE (who put out a family friendly product) then they feel that they need a tamer crowd in order to attract a more mainstream audience?

tna wont go family friendly, bishoff feels that limits creativity , also eric will look at everything wwe is doing, and try to find ways to be different. much like nitro was at the start. so no, no fears of going for family friendly. tna will go for edgy, but the tna fans dont like change. not all fans but the hardcore impact regulars are the vocal group.

if you give them aj styles vs daniels joe all night they will cream themselves. but soon as a you try something else, and omg get rid of the little 6 sided ring, they go ape shait. tna nees bigger arenas but that takes a little time. those fans think tna owes them, but reality check: they get in for free, and are a small minority of tnas fans, that and with what those fans like , tna hasn't drawn jack in ppv buys. largest ppvs did close to 60k buys. tna averages 15-20k buys, and lowest buy last year was 7k buys. back in the weekly days, tna did 3-7k average buys.


the fans want wrestling, last night they had it, and still didn't accept it. some fans can never be happy nor give something new a chance. its going to be a lot of trial and error in booking this year, it takes time to find the right mix. come 2011 the big picture will stat to be revealed. tna will grow, and the small minority who just wanted something that wasn't trying to compete with wwe will be unhappy, big fn deal. tna has no choice but to go head to head. A they are on national fn tv. B the networks like to see growth. C if they don't try to grow, eventually tna will lose fans and all they will have are the most hardcore which will give them a smaller rating, and thus get them pulled off air. D they are finally spending real money, so they have to continue to get to the next step.

those fans just live on the net, and care about everything that goes on behind the scenes and don't try to be entertained and suprised much. The net is both a good and bad thing for wrestling sometimes. tna fans wanted change, but when that change comes, they cry we want the same old ****. make up your mind

[brashleyholland]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not really a wrestling fan and am going off a hazey old memory here...but when TNA first started, didn't they have a bunch of fans that would turn up every week to cheer the bad guys and boo the good guys no matter what?

Now, I fully understand the idea of "you pays your money, you makes your choice", but surely part of enjoying wrestling is suspending disbelief etc. If a 'bad guy' isn't good at making you hate him, don't boo. If a good guy isn't good at making you like him, don't cheer. However if you're 'smart' to the business or whatever and you intend to go against the grain for the sake of going against the grain, no matter how good someone is at being a 'heel' or 'face' thats pretty childish/pointless.

As for how this related to TNA's situation now, they're in a possition where they have less than 2000 people in a building. If they are going to compete with WWE, it's essential that they have control of their product. People boo'ing Sean Waltman 'just because' for example...a new wrestling fan will have no idea why it's happening, so it's confusing.

At the end of they day its a free TV taping. They need to control their product. 'Smart' fans in the crowd who want to sound clever by referencing someones drug problems or backstage persona should pay for a house show ticket. Or just grow up.

[MrCanada]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not really a wrestling fan and am going off a hazey old memory here...but when TNA first started, didn't they have a bunch of fans that would turn up every week to cheer the bad guys and boo the good guys no matter what?

Now, I fully understand the idea of "you pays your money, you makes your choice", but surely part of enjoying wrestling is suspending disbelief etc. If a 'bad guy' isn't good at making you hate him, don't boo. If a good guy isn't good at making you like him, don't cheer. However if you're 'smart' to the business or whatever and you intend to go against the grain for the sake of going against the grain, no matter how good someone is at being a 'heel' or 'face' thats pretty childish/pointless.

As for how this related to TNA's situation now, they're in a possition where they have less than 2000 people in a building. If they are going to compete with WWE, it's essential that they have control of their product. People boo'ing Sean Waltman 'just because' for example...a new wrestling fan will have no idea why it's happening, so it's confusing.

At the end of they day its a free TV taping. They need to control their product. 'Smart' fans in the crowd who want to sound clever by referencing someones drug problems or backstage persona should pay for a house show ticket. Or just grow up.

This has been a problem with the world of wrestling as soon as "Attitude" became mainstream. THe problem is with bubblegum good guys there isnt much to them. The bad guy is always more interesting. Clearly what TNA needs to do is WHAT THE FANS WANT! Make Daniels and Styles and all those guys faces, make Morley, Angle, all those guys heels.

[Hive]

Wow. Just read spolers for the taping tonight. What's up with that finish to the main event? Why on earth are they doing that? I thought they wanted to be different than WWE and being a serious competitor to them... but instead they're constantly copying them and more importantly giving them free PR again and again... I don't get it. If anyone does get it, please explain. :confused:

[brashleyholland]

t tna hasn't drawn jack in ppv buys. largest ppvs did close to 60k buys. tna averages 15-20k buys, and lowest buy last year was 7k buys. back in the weekly days, tna did 3-7k average buys.




Wow, I had no idea things were that dire. How does TNA make money? Are they making money? Do they run regular house shows?

[dcxbox]

This has been a problem with the world of wrestling as soon as "Attitude" became mainstream. THe problem is with bubblegum good guys there isnt much to them. The bad guy is always more interesting. Clearly what TNA needs to do is WHAT THE FANS WANT! Make Daniels and Styles and all those guys faces, make Morley, Angle, all those guys heels.

appraently that seems like what they are doing


* A.J. Styles defeated Kurt Angle with an ankle lock. This match was described as an 'Orlando Screw Job'. Earl Hebner was the referee for this match and he had them ring the bell. Styles, Flair, and Hebner left the ringside area. After the match, Hulk Hogan came out and Angle spat in his face. Angle went to the announce table and took Mike Tenay's chair and throw it into the stage.

[dcxbox]

Wow, I had no idea things were that dire. How does TNA make money? Are they making money? Do they run regular house shows?

tna house shows draw 300-700 people on average. a few now than then reach a 1000 , the uk one i think has a bigger crowd coming up. but house shows arent really a draw for them yet. they don't do as many as wwe yet either. its a good way to get the product out, they prob do make a small profit from them. tna are making a small profit at least and no losing money.

[Bigpapa42]

Seriously? Is that spoiler a joke? Please let it be a joke. If true, that's unreal.

[brashleyholland]

Clearly what TNA needs to do is WHAT THE FANS WANT! Make Daniels and Styles and all those guys faces, make Morley, Angle, all those guys heels.

But it they make all the 'TNA' guys 'good guys' and the like of Hogan, Jerrett, Morley, Nash etc heels, wont people just complain when the heels win all the time?

As I see it, the whole point of wrestling is that the bad guys constantly get the better of the good guys by fair means or foul, only for the good guy to get that one big win in the end.

Maybe thats just a very black and white way of looking at it though. I see your point about letting people cheer who they want to cheer and boo who they want to boo.

[dcxbox]

Seriously? Is that spoiler a joke? Please let it be a joke. If true, that's unreal.

oh, its real, its damn real

[dcxbox]

But it they make all the 'TNA' guys 'good guys' and the like of Hogan, Jerrett, Morley, Nash etc heels, wont people just complain when the heels win all the time?

As I see it, the whole point of wrestling is that the bad guys constantly get the better of the good guys by fair means or foul, only for the good guy to get that one big win in the end.

Maybe thats just a very black and white way of looking at it though. I see your point about letting people cheer who they want to cheer and boo who they want to boo.

i don't think it will be so clear cut on faces heels some will be sure no doubt, but overall no. sting though seems to be in the middle because he doesn't really know who to trust.

nash i dunno who he sides with in this. with hall and nash "gone" in storyline thursday, he can either A still side with hulk or go and do something with them. all depends. he was displeased with how they acted last night when hogan and eric told them they have to grow up and do this for real this time. no ones spot is safe in the company everyone has to earn that spot.

[Wade]

What a bad show.

Hated the way Kendrick debuted. You're going to bring in a guy that was main eventing on Smackdown! as recently as a year and a half ago, just to have him lose in your opening match for a mid-card title? He should be a bigger deal than that.

Daniels losing to Morley is ridiculous. I think we've all touched on that one enough.

I don't care about women's wrestling, so I can't comment on ODB/Tara.

Invasion dropping the belts to Morgan/Hernandez doesn't make any sense to me. Seems to me that World Elite has completely disbanded, and I haven't seen any mention of it whatsoever. They could have done it and I just missed it, but the only thing I've seen of Eric Young was him smiling ear to ear at the site of Flair 1/4. As for BI losing the belts, I could have been okay with it. If it were to a team that made sense. Maybe MCMG if they hadn't lost to Generation ME. Now you've got two guys on the verge of breaking out, stuck in the midcard feuding with who? The Invasion, who they just beat cleanly to take the belts? Meh.

Wolfe/Dinero was one of the few things they did right on this show. Legitimate finish with Wolfe having worked on the knee all match. I wish Doug Williams and Wolfe would trade finishers, though. That lariat just doesn't do it for me, not at the upper-midcard level.

Beer Money going over old guys was okay. To be honest, I was hoping to see James Storm get pinned, and Roode show some frustration, leading to an eventual Roode heel turn with Flair as his manager. I feel if Roode went back to his gimmick before he formed Beer Money, and had Flair as his manager, he would go through the roof. (I know, tag teams are awesome. And I hate breaking them up, too. But Roode is a main event talent, and we all know the split is going to happen sooner or later. Split them now, and bring back Chris Harris for an AMW reunion.)

Abyss is such a joke now. Ever since he lost James Mitchell, his character is been sliding downhill. Anderson getting the win was good, but we all know the way he went about it was lame.

The main event really wasn't that good. Their match on iMPACT! was a lot better. And I didn't like the ending. Like I stated previously, I was really hoping for a Beer Money split, Roode heel turn, Flair as his manager and they target AJ and the strap. I was wishing that's where they were going with Flair watching AJ so closely. I didn't like AJ as a heel back in the weekly PPV's, I didn't like him as a heel with Kurt/Tomko, and I doubt I'll like him as a heel now. He's just not very good at it.

[Candyman]

Obviously. You must think about yourself first and only. I wish doctors and farmers and such worked like that as well.

America's problem, as a friendly neighbor to your north, is how selfish you are in the fact the rest of the world hates you. Maybe if you worked on that second thing a bit some of the first problems like economy and stuff would go away. If more countries were stable and economically diverse, thats more trade, more trade = more production, more production = more jobs....

Sometimes I really really really hate how dense and selfish people can be (Canadians, Americans, Brits, Japanease, ext ext ext) it just seems to shine as bright in America as the red, white, & blue.

You do realize that that clown doesn't represent our country - the citizens or the government - right? You do realize that within 48 hours of the Earthquake, America had donated over a hundred million dollars to the Red Cross alone, right? You do realize that America is going to rebuild that country from the ground up, right?

Maybe if the rest of the world started judging this country based on the entire population instead of a few ignorant, selfish tools then they wouldn't hate us so much. And maybe if they did that, we'd actually care what they think of us....

[haloed]

I really liked the Genesis PPV but I just read the spoilers for Thursday (didn't plan to but I did) and wow the show sounds scary. I'll check it out and see how it comes off on TV but it doesnt look promising at all.

[dcxbox]

i thought th ppv overall was one of the best tna has ever done in a long time. considering the lack of time for any real build with everything starting from scratch.

kendrick losing im good with. he wasn't a main eventer, a short sting on smackdown the B show of the wwe and he was mostly losing to top guys, then went to raw and went down hill.

sean morley, i like him. he will be used much like in wwe, but better this time instead of jobbing always. but he will put guys over. and i thought the match was pretty good, daniels didn't have to rely on doing a spot fest. i do think they should have cut down seans promo some though.


abyss i think he needs to be a heel. but i wonder what they plan to do with the raven stevie abyss fued. i think tommy dreamer will get involved in that and raven will get in abyss's mind and turn him back into a sick monster. and dreamer will be the whiping boy for abyss.


on aj as a heel. all of those times aj was a weak coward though. flair will get aj to be confident and dirty. much stronger heel. and this is the best thing to ever happen to aj
aj has been a worthless champ since he won the belt. booked as a weak champ much like rey mysterio was in wwe. even aj complained to russo about that. jan 4th, hulk put over aj after his match, and flair was looking on at the main event. then you have flair puting him over last impact, then ppv joining him.

so aj has a chance to shine, time will tell. but flair is the best guy to put with him to get aj over for once.

[GDE71]

I really liked the Genesis PPV but I just read the spoilers for Thursday (didn't plan to but I did) and wow the show sounds scary. I'll check it out and see how it comes off on TV but it doesnt look promising at all.

+1.

[brashleyholland]

tna house shows draw 300-700 people on average. a few now than then reach a 1000 , the uk one i think has a bigger crowd coming up. but house shows arent really a draw for them yet. they don't do as many as wwe yet either. its a good way to get the product out, they prob do make a small profit from them. tna are making a small profit at least and no losing money.

They must be paying absolute bottom dollar then. Although I heard that they don't pay to use the venue, which in turn must save them a fortune.

[Hyde Hill]

Wow, I had no idea things were that dire. How does TNA make money? Are they making money? Do they run regular house shows?

They make fine money mainly of television income by also expanding overseas. Their house shows do 700-1500 people and average around 1000. Their ppv buys are low but that record low was a never substantiated rumor as no one really knows their buy rates.

Yes they need to move out of the Impact zone as soon as realistically possible. It depends on the contract they have with Universal and if they are then going on the road or a new home stadium with paying customers ( I would go for the latter at least at first.)

Also in the early days they actually taped in Nashville and people bought tickets and I think attendance wasn't too bad with around 1000 people. That was the TNA Asylum.

Apparently merchandise sales and house show attendance are way up since Hogan coming in and West going along with the house shows offering deals.

Right now they are investing in order to expand again and if they put that in production and advertising that would be a very smart move as the product while not great is fine enough the awareness and public perception is simply low.

[Hyde Hill]

oh, its real, its damn real

Shoulda warned about the spoiler mate next time do it in white text please, plus that makes Angle the face imho with those actions and the rest (except Tenay) heels.

[MrCanada]

They make fine money mainly of television income by also expanding overseas. Their house shows do 700-1500 people and average around 1000. Their ppv buys are low but that record low was a never substantiated rumor as no one really knows their buy rates.


source? Or just random numbers? When every report and the general concensus in here is 300-700, you cant just randomly boost it to 100-1500. Thats a very large difference.

some I scronged up after a google search of recent attendance:

Here are the latest TNA house show numbers according to Dave Meltzer:

* December 4th in Portland, Maine did 500 fans
* December 5th in Amherst, Massachusetts did 800 fans
* December 6th in Glens Falls, New York did 450 fans

[Hyde Hill]

I read all the house show reports and any time they say attendance its in that bracket. Can't be sure though, what is the source on the 300-700? Still house shows are not their main income source if at all it is more to put their name out there imho.

[justtxyank]

Wow, the Impact spoilers sound horrible. Spoilers in white.

The Nasty Boys wrestle and win a match against Nash and Eric Young? Orlando Jordan beats Pope? Angle gets beat by the ankle lock in ANOTHER Angle vs Styles match? TNA imitates the screwjob? I just...

[MrCanada]

You do realize that that clown doesn't represent our country - the citizens or the government - right? You do realize that within 48 hours of the Earthquake, America had donated over a hundred million dollars to the Red Cross alone, right? You do realize that America is going to rebuild that country from the ground up, right?

Maybe if the rest of the world started judging this country based on the entire population instead of a few ignorant, selfish tools then they wouldn't hate us so much. And maybe if they did that, we'd actually care what they think of us....

I was implying (poorly I admit) that not everyone has that problem, but a few do like Hugh. But a rotten egg can ruin a well made meal.

But then again, there is the American who say stuff like the above bolded phrase. I'm sure the rest of the world has done nothing, and only grand America is going to rescue everything.

I think a lot of people have the problem you have (I can admit I do). We sit in our cozy rooms, with our flat screen TV's, PS3, and cell phone, and act like we are doing the world a favour every time we drop our change that we got back from buying a $40 bottle of liqour into a "sick kids" can. How can people be so vague? If the rest of the world seems to dislike a country (hate is a strong word) you have to admit something. Even if that "well what we are works for me, I wish it would work for someone else." If I'm in a room and everyone calls me a jerk, I'm a jerk. Not just stand there and give them the finger. Eventually they might fly a plane your face.

[Hyde Hill]

Wow, the Impact spoilers sound horrible.

Agreed WTF!!!!! They where making mistakes sure but this is just bad! imho

[justtxyank]

Agreed WTF!!!!! They where making mistakes sure but this is just bad! imho

I can't even believe how bad this stuff sounds.

[TheOmniWarrior]

Is Joe in the doghouse or does Hogan dislike Joe. As far as I know there hasnt been mention of Joe since just before/after Hogan came (that night).

[PeterHilton]

Spoilers sound awful. If it comes off that bad on TV this promising beginning went completely off the rails rather fast..for no apparent reason


Swerve on top of swerve is what was WRONG with TNA's booking

Also..lol at "Mcdonald's not making a value menu because Natalee Holloway is missing"

[MrCanada]

I still just want to know who to cheer and who to boo. Every character is kind of a bad guy right now if you ask me.

[Gouge]

The TNA spoilers hurt my feelings.

[TheOmniWarrior]

How is Styles "the next heavyweight champion" if hes already the champ?

[haloed]

Spoilers sound awful. If it comes off that bad on TV this promising beginning went completely off the rails rather fast..for no apparent reason


Swerve on top of swerve is what was WRONG with TNA's booking

Also..lol at "Mcdonald's not making a value menu because Natalee Holloway is missing"

Agreed completely. Things were looking like they were going in the right direction. The results for Thursday's show looks to undue a lot of the good they had going. There are a couple of things from the tapings that may be the beginning of something larger like the Pope match. (that's all I'll say to not spoil anything for anyone that wants to see it on TV first)

Some things though are just jaw dropping in the bad sense with match outcomes and the booking of the Main Event especially.

[PeterHilton]

I still just want to know who to cheer and who to boo. Every character is kind of a bad guy right now if you ask me.

Cheer Hogan, obviously.

[PeterHilton]

How is Styles "the next heavyweight champion" if hes already the champ?

Flair probably misspoke

[Hyde Hill]

I still just want to know who to cheer and who to boo. Every character is kind of a bad guy right now if you ask me.

They had the handy tube's with left being face and right being heel entrance... oh wait lolz. (Also gone since Genesis, I don't mind either way.)

Unfortunately Russo still does not believe in Heels and Faces. I don't mind shades of grey but sometimes it becomes grey with shades of white or black if you know what I mean. At the same time Russo believes that wrestling should be a titanic struggle between the forces of good and evil. Contradict ya self much?

Sorry about my house show estimates but those where the ones I knew of and I don't fully trust Meltzer when it comes to TNA or have a paid online subscription to the wrestling observer newsletter. The range should be more 300-1500 then which is very wide.

[Gouge]

The thing is, I think this Hogan storyline could be soooo much better if Hogan was a subtle heel with Bischoff being his typical smarmy heel as well. They could kinda just keep shutting the fans down, trying to promise change, and keep doing ridiculous things i.e. changing the ring, bringing in the likes of the Nasty Boyz, attempting to shun out the X-Division... and then have someone like Jarrett attempt to fight it saying he's the founder, he's the one to get TNA where it is, and have a power struggle between both sides. But instead, Jarrett bashes TNA and turns heel. Hogan makes fun of TNA's early days, but stays face by bashing McMahon every so often.

[justtxyank]

Flair probably misspoke

Like always. Flair is NOT a good talker anymore despite what people still think.

[PeterHilton]

Unfortunately Russo still does not believe in Heels and Faces. I don't mind shades of grey but sometimes it becomes grey with shades of white or black if you know what I mean. At the same time Russo believes that wrestling should be a titanic struggle between the forces of good and evil. Contradict ya self much?

But why are Eric and Hogan still listeing to him when neither man like Vince very much, if at all?

EDIT: i know it sounds simplistic, but if you are going with a "re-launch" and you are trying to draw new fans, then you need to give them something easy to get their heads around: here is our GOOD GUY. He's the HERO. Here is our BAD GUY. Man he's easy to HATE. They are RIVALS. They like to FIGHT for our big TITLE.

Start there then fill in with twists and turns later. It's way too soon for all this Russo-esque garbage.

[Hyde Hill]

Yep also a reason why I didn't like the AJ heel turn he should be the hero for a long time (In wrestling time) and they should throw heels and other faces at him. That would solidify him as the face of TNA and as a real champ a lot more then having broken down Flair by his side.

Edit: Why they are listening to Russo or going down this route I don't know he is still the head writer though although not the top dog. Could be Hogan is looking more at talent atm and Biscchoff more at production leaving Russo more time and power to do the stories.

[The Final Countdown]

Eventually they might fly a plane your face.
Personally, I find that far more arrogant/offensive/etc. than any of the things you bolded in your quote.

But this isn't the topic for that, so I'll drop it and get myself back on topic. The spoilers for the next Impact sound terrible. If they want to be different and offer an alternative to WWE, they sure are going about it the wrong way.

[Candyman]

I was implying (poorly I admit) that not everyone has that problem, but a few do like Hugh. But a rotten egg can ruin a well made meal.

But then again, there is the American who say stuff like the above bolded phrase. I'm sure the rest of the world has done nothing, and only grand America is going to rescue everything.

That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Sure, I could've brought up all the money other countries have raised, but that doesn't seem particularly revelant when we're talking about what America has done and will do. As far as Haiti goes, other countries are helping and that's great, but America has by far the biggest presence there and will continue to do so. I'm not trying to diminish or knock anybody, I'm sure those other countries are doing everything they can...but the reality is they just don't have the resources America does, based on size if nothing else.

I think a lot of people have the problem you have (I can admit I do). We sit in our cozy rooms, with our flat screen TV's, PS3, and cell phone, and act like we are doing the world a favour every time we drop our change that we got back from buying a $40 bottle of liqour into a "sick kids" can. How can people be so vague? If the rest of the world seems to dislike a country (hate is a strong word) you have to admit something. Even if that "well what we are works for me, I wish it would work for someone else." If I'm in a room and everyone calls me a jerk, I'm a jerk. Not just stand there and give them the finger. Eventually they might fly a plane your face.

Like I said before, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of America. Couldn't possibly care less. And I don't expect the rest of the world to care what America thinks of them (hint: we don't like you, either...the rest of the world treats America with the same arrogance and disdain that they seem to think America treats them, you have the same bad apples we do...see the bolded part above). I don't expect you to care what the rest of the world thinks of Canada. Why should you? Do you want to be a country that does what you think is right or a country that does what terrorists want them to do? Last line was pure class, by the way.

Anyway, we need to get back on topic so the thread doesn't close. It's good to see TNA go back to the four sided ring, though I can't help but question the fact nobody felt the need to tell the wrestlers until they showed up at the building. And I'll repeat the prediction I made on January 4th: Hogan will be gone from TNA by 2011. Which makes me sad, because I'd love to see this work and TNA become competition for WWE.