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Eisen-verse

11-16-2009, 01:11 PM

I didn't see the PPV, however, I've given it a read on PWInsider.

Here are some thoughts of my own:

1) Scott Steiner beats Bobby Lashley? Yet, Bobby beat Samoa Joe last month... And then, Samoa Joe gets a title shot? If you were going to put Lashley over Joe... Then, theoretically based upon wrestling tradition, you would think that Lashley would go over Steiner. I've never been a big fan of Steiner, then again I don't like Lashley either, however, it just seemed a little odd.

2) I hear the Wolfe/Angle match was simply amazing... Which is awesome to hear! I really like the character that they have going for Wolfe thus far & it's smart to put him into a campaign with Angle straight out of the gate. This way, a guy who hasn't been seen much at all by mainstream wrestling fans gets a strong rub from a former champion. Also, it appears that TNA did something very special with this match... Well, maybe more so the performers than TNA itself.... however, They made a "new star" even though he lost the match! That's a major feat if you ask me! Lets just hope that they continue to develop him right and don't have him lose to Bobby Lashley next month or something. ha.

3) Good to see AJ Styles retain the title. I, along with many of you, feel that TNA really needs to bank on their own stars. Sure, using former WWE talent is smart to generate potential viewers who don't already consider themselves a "TNA Fan"... However, in the long run, TNA Has to develop their own identity if they ever want to truly compete with the WWE. (And I'm not saying... Outright challenge the Global power... But, at least to register some sense of a divide with wrestling fans). If they are able to develop their own identity through and through.... Push homegrown talent just as much as the WWE outcasts... Then there's a good chance that they could be a strong player in the future.

4) I think I remember hearing that Kevin Nash stole the "Global Championship" (formerly Legends Title) during the PPV due to a decree set by Hulk Hogan. If you ask me, what I would love to see is for TNA to drop the title all together. "The Legends" title would seem intersting IF it were competed within a division of "Legends"... ALSO... That that title was only defended maybe 3-4 times a year (as a special championship). However, with who has been able to grab it as of late... It's just another title thrown into the mix. With that being said, With a Tag Title... A women's title... X Division Title... ANd the Heavyweight Title.... I say either A) Drop the belt and hype the X Division title up yet again... or B) Keep the title, cement it as the next step from the Heavyweight title (Ie: IC Title), and then risk the possibility of de-valueing the X-Division Title due to another title being placed above it.

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Overall, It seemed like a great show. Sadly, I don't get to watch TNA all that much at this point since I work every thursday night (and don't have TiVo yet). So, most of my information comes from what I read. However, I would LOVE for TNA to pick up the ball and keep on running with it. The WWE has become too predictable... too "Showy" if you ask me.... I want a company that will give me ACTUAL Pro Wrestling... Where in-ring action is just as important as anything out of it... And characters flow in with a unique tone instead of everyone using the same "I'm a bad ass" mentality.

Hats off to TNA. Hopefully they can continue to move forward.

TracyBrooksFan

11-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Man I am jealous wish I could have been there. And no more comments? Man this was a great ppv!

yeah boring/worst match was boring lashley vs steiner. The crowd was well a tna crowd. during matches the agents who put together the matches sat behind or beside dixie (D'Lo put together the main event and zrusso put together Wolfe vs Angle)

Hyde Hill

11-16-2009, 03:33 PM

I must say that apart from some hiccups and Impact feeling to "crowded" at times TNA has really been on a roll since No Surrender, I really hope that this combined with true Hogan exposure and if they are smart increased marketing/branding expenditure will finally result in higher ratings/attendance/buyrates.

Remianen

11-16-2009, 04:31 PM

Eisen, you're forgiven for not knowing much about TNA so I'll just correct you. :)

With that being said, With a Tag Title

Two tag titles (TNA & IWGP)

... A women's title...

Two women's titles (Knockouts, Knockout Tag)

And I would venture a guess that D'Lo only made suggestions for the main event because AJ, Daniels, and Joe are extremely familiar with each other and each of them is capable of putting together an excellent match. Also, does anyone think Russo knows more about putting a top tier match together than Angle and McGuinness?

No, I think the credit should go to the people who were in the match. I think both matches were called in-ring, given the skills of the people involved.

Wrestling Century

11-16-2009, 04:36 PM

TNA has the best in ring performers in the world right now, IMO.

Hyde Hill

11-16-2009, 05:54 PM

Yeah prolly called in the ring for by far the most part but they where the "agents" assigned to the match anyways.

Nedew

11-16-2009, 05:54 PM

TNA has the best in ring performers in the world right now, IMO.

You know Remi will crucify you for saying that, right? :p

Bigpapa42

11-16-2009, 05:59 PM

I've stopped expecting much of TNA PPVs, but it sounds like this one delivered. Really want to check out the Angle-Wolfe match and the main event three-way.

Hyde Hill

11-16-2009, 06:24 PM

Both where great Bigpapa I had 2 non wrestling fans in my room while watching it and even they where amazed and excited.

On related news Angle apparently hurt his back early in the match. So its incredible he delivered that kind of a performance under those circumstances.

In unrelated but also good news: No more Jethro Holliday! Man was that a useless signing or what? And could the news that Cade (, the talented one imho,) signed with the E be a coincidence?

Also TNA has some surveys up including where to bring their house shows which is smart marketing imho and who you tune in for to watch Impact and your fav Turning Point matches in case you saw it.

Hyde Hill

11-16-2009, 06:27 PM

You know Remi will crucify you for saying that, right? :p

why would he he clarified with IMO and a smiley so its clearly an opinion. I would never make such a statement as I don't know and haven't seen all the current rosters in the world but that is just semantics. This guy is using hyperbole to express his pleasure while keeping polite by stating it as opinion and not fact or bashing competition so I am fine with it.

Remianen

11-16-2009, 06:41 PM

why would he he clarified with IMO and a smiley so its clearly an opinion. I would never make such a statement as I don't know and haven't seen all the current rosters in the world but that is just semantics. This guy is using hyperbole to express his pleasure while keeping polite by stating it as opinion and not fact or bashing competition so I am fine with it.

Nah, I totally understand it. I read it with the preface of 'of the two largest North American promotions...'. As evinced by a previous thread, Wrestling Century hasn't really seen much outside of the big two (correct me if I'm wrong) so I can't castigate anyone for judging based on what they've actually seen.

Well, I can (and I probably have), but that would make me wrong and an idiot (I have those moments....several times every week :p).

It's like someone saying 'Man, that new Lexus LS is the smoothest, most luxurious car in the world right now'. If they've never driven or ridden in a Maybach or Bentley or Rolls, you can't criticize them because they don't know those cars are gaudier and ridiculously luxurious for luxury's sake (I don't need my ass heated. It's warm enough. Thanks though! :p).

Wrestling Century

11-16-2009, 06:48 PM

Nah, I totally understand it. I read it with the preface of 'of the two largest North American promotions...'. As evinced by a previous thread, Wrestling Century hasn't really seen much outside of the big two (correct me if I'm wrong) so I can't castigate anyone for judging based on what they've actually seen.

Well, I can (and I probably have), but that would make me wrong and an idiot (I have those moments....several times every week :p).

It's like someone saying 'Man, that new Lexus LS is the smoothest, most luxurious car in the world right now'. If they've never driven or ridden in a Maybach or Bentley or Rolls, you can't criticize them because they don't know those cars are gaudier and ridiculously luxurious for luxury's sake (I don't need my ass heated. It's warm enough. Thanks though! :p).

Yeah, I haven't really seen wrestling outside the big two. Although I have seen a bit of Chikara! :D Anyways, I mostly just like TNA better because it is almost just like WCW.

Bigpapa42

11-16-2009, 06:51 PM

(I don't need my ass heated. It's warm enough. Thanks though! :p).

You clearly have never climbed into a car with leather seats on a winter morning on the Canadian prairies.

ECW 2.0

11-16-2009, 07:58 PM

SPOLIER

MAIN EVENT for next months PPV

At the iMPACT! tapings tonight, the following match was announced:

* 2 out of 3 Falls Match: Kurt Angle vs. Desmond Wolfe
~ Fall Number One: Pinfall
~ Fall Number Two: Submission
~ Fall Number Three: Steel Cage

Eisen-verse

11-16-2009, 08:28 PM

Eisen, you're forgiven for not knowing much about TNA so I'll just correct you. :)

Thank you, Remi! haha. :)

While they intrigue me (or the idea of what they could be)... I know very, very, little about their company. ha.

Nedew

11-17-2009, 04:59 AM

(I don't need my ass heated. It's warm enough. Thanks though! :p).

Well, that's my dream job gone then :( :p

Self

11-17-2009, 08:16 AM

I might check out this PPV. Even though the idea of Joe vs Daniels vs Styles for the title deeply offends me as a storyteller, it'll probably thrill me as a fan of wrestling matches. I've been YouTubing a lot of Wolfie's segments, still waiting to be sold on the guy, but have been pretty unimpressed thus far. Maybe this'll turn it around.

P.S. I would have killed to have seat warmers in my car this morning. Literally. If the devil had showed up offering them to me in exchange for ganking the postman, I would have shown up to work covered in blood, with an extremely warm arse.

thommohawk

11-17-2009, 08:34 PM

I have to say that Angle vs Wolfe was a fantastic straight up wrestling match, it's also the first time I've seen McGuiness wrestle and he's pretty good I have to say I was impressed - being English myself I love the guy lol - calling the crowd wankers = golden! lol.

But that main event triple threat match was absolutely ubelievable! That shooting star type move where AJ skinned the top rope was insane. I've really been getting into TNA these last couple of years, been watching it almost religiously for the past 8 months due to the consistency of what I consider great wrestling matches. WWE to me is boring, I haven't watched WWE properly for a long time, only snippets - Edge, CM Punk and Orton are their best talents right now....Taker vs Michaels was previously the best match I'd seen this year - but that triple threat was really good! Definitely a great advert for TNA.

Let's hope the quality of this PPV is a big indication of the direction they are going in. I thought it was interesting how the crowd in the iMPACT zone made it clear to Dixie in the main event that this is what they want (quality wrestling matches without overbooking) and to screw Hogan (if it's wcw 2.0) and I think the superlatives and crowd reaction speaks volumes and I'm sure Dixie Carter is listening intently, so with any luck she's found the firm direction to go in. The crowd made it pretty clear.

stratusfaction

11-17-2009, 09:45 PM

Remianen

11-18-2009, 02:35 AM

Completely random...but this is the TNA thread...

I just want to say how much I really don't like LACEY VON ERICH! She is pretty sure but she is a HORRIBLE wrestler! I want Angelina Love to come back and kick Lacey's a$$ out of The Beautiful People and out of TNA!

Well yeah, but she fits the theme of that group. The Beautiful People has always been a group of women known more for their looks than their in-ring ability. They're TNA's version of the Divas. I thought that was obvious.

Lacey fits them perfectly. Though Madison Rayne can wrestle decently, she's not anywhere near the league of a Kong or Tara or Melissa or Sarah Stock or Ayako Hamada or even Shantelle. But she's the capable one in the group and the other two are serviceable at best. All Lacey has to do is be tall and vaguely menacing (in a 'Mean Girls' kinda way).

Hyde Hill

11-18-2009, 03:24 AM

I do hope this puts them out of the title picture for a while though and gives Alissa and Ayako more time. And yeah the BP where never great wrestlers but LVE is just awfull and I really mis the chemistry between love and Velvet in promos.

Self

11-18-2009, 05:34 AM

I'm watching Turning Point now (work sure got a lot more fun since I got my own office) and I just watched the Beautiful People match. I liked it. I really didn't think this show would make me want to watch Impact again, but this match kinda did. I knock TNA a lot, but the Knockouts just have more personallity (well... gimmicks) than the Divas, and I dig that.

Lacey was well protected, she didn't embarrass herself. I've always liked Velvet in a 'wrestling skill has nothing to do with it' kinda way. Madison totally won me over in that match. After reading Remi's positive review I was looking extra closely at her, and she seems pretty good. She was the one taking all of Taylor & Sarita's high flying spots and she bumped off ODB's clotheslines like she was getting hit by a frieght train. Solid heel work. Making the babyfaces look good.

Also, I like the Sarita/Taylor team. They remind me of early Motor City Machine Guns in the way that they are two vaguely similar workers, put into a team seemingly at random, but have thrown themselves totally into it with matching outfits and dual poses. It's very cute.

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 06:12 AM

just finished watching the show myself today. i thought it was great i skipped a few spots like the lashley match. though i was shocked from my predictions of the winners i really cant believe they had stiener beat lashley with a freaking steel pole was very lame. im a lil confussed that kong lost, for one odb has acted like she was turning heel and then stayed face (she was attacking tara a lil if u remember) which is fine with me but they built kong up so much to lose to tara which is what i dont understand y have another odb vs tara fued? dont get me wrong i love tara but we havent seen a odb vs kong match in a while and it will be the first one with odb being the champ. im also surprised there was no interferences or dq's i really though kim was going to attack tara or the mystery guy attack aj. the angle match was freaking awesome it was up there with one of angles best matches and tnas best matches imo. did anyone catch the name of the moved aj did the shooting star to the outside, the announcers called it something it was great though i think it was one of the best spots on the match. does anyone else feel like this kevin nash thing is a set up? i really dont think hogans going to ally himself with nash again right off the bat....

Hyde Hill

11-18-2009, 09:34 AM

Yeah only naming him Hulk instead of the full name could be a set up for someone else. Tara vs. ODB hasn't been done for the title as a true feud yet though there was just some tension going into the BFG three way. I agree that Kong still should have gone over though and Steiner winning was weird but it gives extra legs to the feud so did 3D and Rhino winning which was the other surprise imho plus that it wasn't a streetfight as semi advertised.

Self

11-18-2009, 10:22 AM

Wrestling Century

11-18-2009, 10:25 AM

Well yeah, but she fits the theme of that group. The Beautiful People has always been a group of women known more for their looks than their in-ring ability. They're TNA's version of the Divas. I thought that was obvious.

Lacey fits them perfectly. Though Madison Rayne can wrestle decently, she's not anywhere near the league of a Kong or Tara or Melissa or Sarah Stock or Ayako Hamada or even Shantelle. But she's the capable one in the group and the other two are serviceable at best. All Lacey has to do is be tall and vaguely menacing (in a 'Mean Girls' kinda way).

Angelina Love could wrestle, but after she got fired now their stable is sort of falling apart. Then again, maybe their stable ending would be for the best. They were entertaining when Angelina was there, but now they are just annoying IMO.

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 12:32 PM

The "Shooting Star" that AJ did was a Fosbury Flop. It's not a wacky name for a cool move, but rather the technical term for how high jumpers clear the bar in modern athletics. It's so named because it was popularised and perfected by Dick Fosbury in 1968.

The rest of the show was fun. Nigel needs to work on his kick outs. They look really weak. The finish of Beer Money/British Invasion/MCMG just made me not want to watch TNA ever again. Really fun match spoiled by a ridiculous ending involving two characters I have no interest in seeing.
thanks thats a kick ash move thats only my 2nd time seeing it.
Yeah only naming him Hulk instead of the full name could be a set up for someone else. Tara vs. ODB hasn't been done for the title as a true feud yet though there was just some tension going into the BFG three way. I agree that Kong still should have gone over though and Steiner winning was weird but it gives extra legs to the feud so did 3D and Rhino winning which was the other surprise imho plus that it wasn't a streetfight as semi advertised.
yea tara and odb hasnt fued for the title but its still a face vs face but i think their turning odb for this, but i really think kong got screwed they should of had kong win beat odb and then either had a 3 way match for the title or a rematch with tara but now we might see it reversed hopefully tara wins and feuds in a 3 way or with kong again
Angelina Love could wrestle, but after she got fired now their stable is sort of falling apart. Then again, maybe their stable ending would be for the best. They were entertaining when Angelina was there, but now they are just annoying IMO.

tbp wasnt bad until lve showed up i usually dont mind crappy wrestlers long as they have something going for them they could do in the ring or on the mic but imo she has nothing i dont even think she looks that good imo shes the ugliest out of all tbp. i say they just need to either add one more girl maybe even add the melissa girl (kongs former manager i really dont think ive seen her actual face but shes still a great wrestler and has a body) or ditch lve and keep it 2 people until the find a better replacement or love comes back

liontamer

11-18-2009, 01:48 PM

missed the last impact, but I found out they are posting them free on spikes site now so I'm part way through. Have to say it's the hottest TV crowd I think I've heard on their show. I don't know if it was the opening segment that got the crowd started, or if they planted mics or whatever. But the crowd has been active non stop.

Wrestling Century

11-18-2009, 02:02 PM

tbp wasnt bad until lve showed up i usually dont mind crappy wrestlers long as they have something going for them they could do in the ring or on the mic but imo she has nothing i dont even think she looks that good imo shes the ugliest out of all tbp. i say they just need to either add one more girl maybe even add the melissa girl (kongs former manager i really dont think ive seen her actual face but shes still a great wrestler and has a body) or ditch lve and keep it 2 people until the find a better replacement or love comes back

Melissa was Awesome Kong's manager, but she's also Alissa Flash. She's doing fine with her current gimmick. I just don't like the direction they are taking The Beautiful People. None of those three are good on the mic IMO. Sorry about that kinda-rant! :D

Self

11-18-2009, 02:02 PM

thanks thats a kick ash move thats only my 2nd time seeing it.

You should check out the Summer Olympics. It'll blow you mind.

I'm half joking. It did look really cool. I'm just surprised anyone can find it that impressive as I was taught how to do that in High School. I'm guessing it wasn't a standard technique taught all around the globe though.

Wrestling Century

11-18-2009, 02:02 PM

Anybody else think that Sting will do some more matches?

Remianen

11-18-2009, 02:08 PM

Angelina Love could wrestle, but after she got fired now their stable is sort of falling apart. Then again, maybe their stable ending would be for the best. They were entertaining when Angelina was there, but now they are just annoying IMO.

For the record, Lauren "Angel" Williams has never been a particularly good in-ring performer. Neither has Talia (Velvet Sky). They've both been either heavily protected by tag team partners (April Hunter, for example) or kept as primarily 'personalities' or 'managers' (go look at OVW/DSW footage when Angel was there).

That's not to say they 'suck', just that their strengths don't lie with their in-ring prowess. When you put them in the ring with experienced multi-style vets like Kong, Melissa, Stock, it becomes easily apparent. Many people don't know that Kong has really good charisma and could work a gimmick akin to Mark Henry's 'Sexual Chocolate'. But that's not where her typical strength lies.

Personally, I think the best addition for TNA would be Tiana Ringer, if she's done getting her Master's.

i say they just need to either add one more girl maybe even add the melissa girl (kongs former manager i really dont think ive seen her actual face but shes still a great wrestler and has a body) or ditch lve and keep it 2 people until the find a better replacement or love comes back

erm, rod? Melissa = Alissa Flash = Raisha Saeed :) She was working twice a show for some time now (often playing jobber as Alissa Flash).

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 02:20 PM

Melissa was Awesome Kong's manager, but she's also Alissa Flash. She's doing fine with her current gimmick. I just don't like the direction they are taking The Beautiful People. None of those three are good on the mic IMO. Sorry about that kinda-rant! :D

erm, rod? Melissa = Alissa Flash = Raisha Saeed :) She was working twice a show for some time now (often playing jobber as Alissa Flash).

lol sorry like i said guys i never looked her up to actually see her face i thought she was going to be stuck in that gimmick a lot longer to even care to see her face. well shes awesome and i still think she could fit in with the gimmick she has now yea she might not be a tbp in looks but i could see the gimmick working with tbs.

You should check out the Summer Olympics. It'll blow you mind.

I'm half joking. It did look really cool. I'm just surprised anyone can find it that impressive as I was taught how to do that in High School. I'm guessing it wasn't a standard technique taught all around the globe though.

what school u from? us ohio people dont get privileged with things like that my first year of high school was the first time they had a soccer team and a swim team so just to give u an example lol. so ur a gymnast? well id still like to see u try that jump over the ring ropes and take some guy out with out hurting him or u now thats whats impressive besides the fact the shooting stars r hard enough to do let alone right over a ring rope with just jumping. now u can do that i'd be even more impressed ;). maybe since u know how to do it ur not looking at everything everyone else is looking at, just think how long they was already wrestling and possible how slippery that mat could of been from everyones sweat and for him to hit it perfect like that without getting hurt is amazing if i was still a lil kid i would of flipped seeing that...

Self

11-18-2009, 02:37 PM

what school u from? us ohio people dont get privileged with things like that my first year of high school was the first time they had a soccer team and a swim team so just to give u an example lol. so ur a gymnast? well id still like to see u try that jump over the ring ropes and take some guy out with out hurting him or u now thats whats impressive besides the fact the shooting stars r hard enough to do let alone right over a ring rope with just jumping. now u can do that i'd be even more impressed ;). maybe since u know how to do it ur not looking at everything everyone else is looking at, just think how long they was already wrestling and possible how slippery that mat could of been from everyones sweat and for him to hit it perfect like that without getting hurt is amazing if i was still a lil kid i would of flipped seeing that...

I wasn't saying it in a negative way, or to sound superior. I'm genuinely surprised that the 'Fosbury Flop' isn't a thing that people automatically know. Then again, I'm British, so I probably went through a vastly different curriculum than most folks in the world.

Also not trying to take anything away from AJ either. He's a physical freak. However... I think I could probably do it. I'm no gymnast. I haven't flopped for several years. I'm not even particularly tall. Still, give me a couple of goes practice and I reckon I could clear those ropes. Could I land properly? Probably not. Could I do it without hurting Joe & Daniels? Perhaps not. Could I do it in the middle of a wrestling match? Oh God no. Never said I could.

AJ is awesome, it just makes me chuckle to see folks this excited about such an 'exotic' move. Not just you, but I've been on other forums that were completely marking out.

Nedew

11-18-2009, 02:51 PM

'Fosbury Flop'? Let's stop giving it a fancy name, it's a freakin' high jump :p I am seriously amazed if American schools don't do High Jump.

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 03:25 PM

I wasn't saying it in a negative way, or to sound superior. I'm genuinely surprised that the 'Fosbury Flop' isn't a thing that people automatically know. Then again, I'm British, so I probably went through a vastly different curriculum than most folks in the world.

Also not trying to take anything away from AJ either. He's a physical freak. However... I think I could probably do it. I'm no gymnast. I haven't flopped for several years. I'm not even particularly tall. Still, give me a couple of goes practice and I reckon I could clear those ropes. Could I land properly? Probably not. Could I do it without hurting Joe & Daniels? Perhaps not. Could I do it in the middle of a wrestling match? Oh God no. Never said I could.

AJ is awesome, it just makes me chuckle to see folks this excited about such an 'exotic' move. Not just you, but I've been on other forums that were completely marking out.

'Fosbury Flop'? Let's stop giving it a fancy name, it's a freakin' high jump :p I am seriously amazed if American schools don't do High Jump.

thats because american schools dont have enough money, its a shame that most countrys have better stuff then us just look at chine those kids r way smarter then i am and their peobably learning stuff i learn in 12th grade (last year of high school) at grade 6 (middle school for us) its sucks i really hated being in school i always felt smarter then most kids i didnt even try i slept for most of every class i only struggled in english as u guys can probably tell from the way i type. u.s. schools r seriously in need for better things i really dont get it we got tobacco taxs and lottery and still nothing. well to get back on the subject i cant wait for this thursday i wonder who machismos facing....i hope its jake the snake roberts so he can call him snake man again lol or how about bird man ko ko beware!

liontamer

11-18-2009, 03:28 PM

'Fosbury Flop'? Let's stop giving it a fancy name, it's a freakin' high jump :p I am seriously amazed if American schools don't do High Jump.

We do. I remember it well cuz I stunk at it. I could walk over bars that I'd knock down doing the flop. Lets just say I was not a jumper for long.

Nedew

11-18-2009, 04:40 PM

thats because american schools dont have enough money, its a shame that most countrys have better stuff then us just look at chine those kids r way smarter then i am and their peobably learning stuff i learn in 12th grade (last year of high school) at grade 6 (middle school for us) its sucks i really hated being in school i always felt smarter then most kids i didnt even try i slept for most of every class i only struggled in english as u guys can probably tell from the way i type. u.s. schools r seriously in need for better things i really dont get it we got tobacco taxs and lottery and still nothing. well to get back on the subject i cant wait for this thursday i wonder who machismos facing....i hope its jake the snake roberts so he can call him snake man again lol or how about bird man ko ko beware!

Your schools might be underfunded, but all you need for high jump is 3 poles! Basically a mini version of your field goals for American football. You sure you didn't just miss your class that day? :p

Franchise22

11-18-2009, 05:25 PM

so.....was the title name change explained or just snuck in there? legends to global....

thommohawk

11-18-2009, 05:55 PM

Call it what you want - Olympic Flop, High Fosbury or even the Fosbury Flop lol - whatever you call it it's an awesome looking move that takes a lot of skill and technique to perfect and to do safely, as do most of the flashy moves that AJ does, which is what makes him the literally phenomenal wrestler that he is. Taz was right on commentary during that match - AJ Styles is flawless!

I'm just surprised he hasn't done that move more often.....though the way he hit it in the 3 way the other night was picture perfect in how the jump and mid air twist was more sideways on. Looked really good on camera.

I often wonder why with matches as good as this people complain about TNA's booking because for me it's not good but it's also not bad, and personally I think TNA is all about the in ring action and when it comes to the actual point which is wrestling TNA is fantastic. Makes you wonder quite how they are going to improve and how they will facilitate this....the actual wrestling isn't the problem and for Hogan to come in and mess with that would be a huge mistake. It's the best part about TNA.

Personally I think Hogan will bring in guys like Ken Kennedy and Ric Flair, but TNA is only going to grow properly when they start nabbing proper WWE guys like Chris Jericho when their contracts expire or they get released - it'll never happen but just imagine if TNA brought The Rock back to the wrestling business!

I just think the booking needs spicing up a little bit that's all, they could do with Paul Heyman in this regard or a Cyrus The Virus type character....the point I'm making is it might be more compelling to watch the non wrestling segments if they nudged and winked the fact that it's a wrestling show - kind of like how the original ECW on TNN regularly referenced "smart marks" and things like that. Maybe if TNA went more counter culture verbally at least to spice things up.....but saying that, it's been done before.

Hyde Hill

11-18-2009, 06:28 PM

so.....was the title name change explained or just snuck in there? legends to global....

Eric Young renamed it the second Impact after BFG claiming he would only defend it against non Americans on non United States soil. How he got that power is anyones guess but thats the storyline for it atm.

Hyde Hill

11-18-2009, 06:47 PM

Source PWI:

Dixie Carter just tweeted that Foley is going to be a guest on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart on Comedy Central tomorrow night.

Now that is the kind of stuff they need to do more!

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 06:52 PM

Your schools might be underfunded, but all you need for high jump is 3 poles! Basically a mini version of your field goals for American football. You sure you didn't just miss your class that day? :p

ha, lol i wished they had a class like that i probably wouldn't of joined i was to busy playing fùtbol (soccer), swimming, track (did that for like 2 months and quit) and i tried cross country (run for like 2 1/2 miles) im sure there wasnt anything i was missing lol. my school didnt even have a real field to play on or practice till after i left but its still not actual size to play for competition. surprise no ones as excited as i am about black machismo open legends challenge....i also dont see y everyone says tna isn't entertaining i like almost every segment i usually watch almost all the segments and i barley skip any matches, out of that ppv only match i skipped was the lashley match... i think tna has some great segments and characters i actually miss a few like sharkboy and daniels character the spicy dude (forgot the name again lol im bad with names). i actually liked eric young more when he was acting like super eric now he just seems a lil dull to me but i still watch his segments atleast tna is trying to give people pushs and not shove them down r throat like wwe did with cena...i really cant remember the last time i watched a wwe match or even watched a whole show with out skipping or flipping the channel, to me tna has everything.

Remianen

11-18-2009, 07:03 PM

Your schools might be underfunded, but all you need for high jump is 3 poles! Basically a mini version of your field goals for American football. You sure you didn't just miss your class that day? :p

Major difference, Nedew.

High jump don't make money. Football does.

When I was doing track, the Cross Country team was treated like second class citizens. The other teams (high jump, broad jump, shot put, etc) were even lower than them. It was the short distancers that got to say 'I'm on the track team' even down to merchandising. Our sweat suits said 'Track Team' while the Cross Country (basically long distance track) got 'Cross Country' on theirs and the others got their specific niche of the team on their suits. That was only because short distances (sprinters, in common parlance) were the "sexier" events. Heck, the bowling team only got funding because several of the football, basketball, and baseball team players were on it (and the "meets" were often used as 'team building exercises' by the coaches).

Sad but it's the reality in many places here. If a sport doesn't support itself, it doesn't make itself immune to being cut. The same can be said for music programs here (which is why VH1's Save the Music Foundation was formed).

On topic: Mick is probably the only person on TNA's roster that has any appeal to mainstream entertainment outlets. Unless there's another multi-time World champion AND multi-time New York Times bestselling author on the payroll. If not for his recent issues, Kurt Angle could've (and might still be able to for London) gotten some press commentating Olympic wrestling events. Granted, it wouldn't be in prime time (Olympic and Greco-Roman wrestling aren't "sexy" after all) but it would garner some buzz.

rodzillahotrod

11-18-2009, 07:50 PM

Major difference, Nedew.

High jump don't make money. Football does.

When I was doing track, the Cross Country team was treated like second class citizens. The other teams (high jump, broad jump, shot put, etc) were even lower than them. It was the short distancers that got to say 'I'm on the track team' even down to merchandising. Our sweat suits said 'Track Team' while the Cross Country (basically long distance track) got 'Cross Country' on theirs and the others got their specific niche of the team on their suits. That was only because short distances (sprinters, in common parlance) were the "sexier" events. Heck, the bowling team only got funding because several of the football, basketball, and baseball team players were on it (and the "meets" were often used as 'team building exercises' by the coaches).

Sad but it's the reality in many places here. If a sport doesn't support itself, it doesn't make itself immune to being cut. The same can be said for music programs here (which is why VH1's Save the Music Foundation was formed).

On topic: Mick is probably the only person on TNA's roster that has any appeal to mainstream entertainment outlets. Unless there's another multi-time World champion AND multi-time New York Times bestselling author on the payroll. If not for his recent issues, Kurt Angle could've (and might still be able to for London) gotten some press commentating Olympic wrestling events. Granted, it wouldn't be in prime time (Olympic and Greco-Roman wrestling aren't "sexy" after all) but it would garner some buzz.

man u hit it right on the button both things lol but hey not everyone is good as mick is on the mic i think him and the rock is true comedians if they wanted to be they could make it in that business.

jwt13

11-19-2009, 07:22 PM

Psycho Sid Promotions, an entity affiliated with multi-time world champion Sid Vicious, is claiming that he is headed to TNA Wrestling.

The following announcement was issued this past week: The Return of the Master and Ruler of the World "Psycho" Sid Vicious is coming to TNA Wrestling! Spike TV Thursday Nights! We warned WWE that this would Happen. Never say Never! Stay Tuned -Psycho Sid Promotions

Furthermore, the official MySpace account of Psycho Sid Promotions (myspace.com/PsychoSidPromotions) had a large TNA logo displayed with the caption reading "Never Say Never." However, the logo is no longer being displayed due to its bandwidth being exceeded.

Hyde Hill

11-19-2009, 07:23 PM

The UK sun has an article up linking Sid Vicious with TNA on the basis of him putting a TNA sign on his facebook/myspace/whatever with the subtitle never say never. I hope it stays Never, although I have a soft spot for big men etc in reality he has been out of the picture for far to long due to his injury so has no overness to transfer so to speak and Nash is a bigger big man in every way.

Hyde Hill

11-19-2009, 07:24 PM

lolz jwt13 couple o seconds apart.

Hyde Hill

11-19-2009, 07:28 PM

Just thought that it could well be for the whole Lethal Invitational thing. If a Sid powerbomb can't bring Lethal back to his senses I don't know what can. Oh yeah a Hogan legdrop lolz.

jwt13

11-19-2009, 07:48 PM

I think Sid could be a good bodyguard like he was for HBK. Maybe have him as Wolfe's bodyguard protecting him from Kurt. Just a thought.

TracyBrooksFan

11-19-2009, 08:11 PM

Earlier today we received word of two cancellations for the 2009 Battle of Los Angeles. First, Charles Mercury will not be able to compete in his recently announced non-tournament bout due to a personal matter. Second, we were notified by TNA Management that Chris Sabin has been injured, and will be unable to compete in the 2009 Battle of Los Angeles. TNA Management stated that Sabin "aggravated a neck injury at our TV tapings and the doctor is recommending that he take a couple of weeks (and maybe longer) off. He had first suffered the injury at our previous tapings and tweaked it at the tapings this week." We at Pro Wrestling Guerrilla wish Chris Sabin a speedy and full recovery.

haloed

11-19-2009, 08:13 PM

Why is Jeff Jarrett still used in the Impact video intro? Any ideas?

Hyde Hill

11-19-2009, 08:14 PM

Hmm Nash was right??? That's unique lol. Too bad for Sabin hope he rests up as it finally looks time for the Guns to get the belts.

Hyde Hill

11-19-2009, 08:15 PM

Why is Jeff Jarrett still used in the Impact video intro? Any ideas?

He is still a part of the company and the suspension is self imposed so he can come back at any time. Prolly around the time Hogan comes in is my guess.

rodzillahotrod

11-20-2009, 05:06 AM

He is still a part of the company and the suspension is self imposed so he can come back at any time. Prolly around the time Hogan comes in is my guess.

self imposed? how i read dixie suspended him for him having angle ex living with him

sabataged

11-20-2009, 05:49 AM

I assume Jarrett will be the "masked man" thats attacking AJ...??

Self

11-20-2009, 06:07 AM

I assume Jarrett will be the "masked man" thats attacking AJ...??

I putting my money on AJ's mystery attacker being... AJ STYLES!!!

SWERVE!

It wouldn't the first time Russo has done that.

Hyde Hill

11-20-2009, 07:19 AM

self imposed? how i read dixie suspended him for him having angle ex living with him

That was the early reports, most likely scenario is that Dixie was pissed but Jarrett himself decided to go home to diffuse the situation and Dixie never handed it out.

Hyde Hill

11-20-2009, 07:21 AM

As to him being the Masked man the dude was kinda taller then AJ a couple of Impacts ago and a certain someone with history with AJ has signed with TNA...

Spoiler in white:

Tomko

rodzillahotrod

11-20-2009, 07:46 AM

TracyBrooksFan

11-20-2009, 08:24 AM

man your all wrong the attacker will reveal to be HULK HOGAN LOL (kidding or am I)

Hyde Hill

11-20-2009, 09:42 AM

i cant see it being him for one the guy didnt look that taller and look more muscular plus he was bald with no facial hair. i didnt no JJ took his own leave kinda crazy since i heard he was trying to prove it was false

Did you miss the third attack? Because there he was all dressed in black and a mask and you could clearly see he was way taller then AJ and more muscular.

Hyde Hill

11-20-2009, 09:57 AM

Linkage to Foley on the Daily Show

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/122571/[VIDEO]-See-Mick-Foley-On-The-Daily-Show.htm

justtxyank

11-20-2009, 01:09 PM

Has anyone read the report that Sid is coming to TNA?

Hyde Hill

11-20-2009, 01:31 PM

Yep it was mentioned one page back.

justtxyank

11-20-2009, 01:54 PM

I've always been higher on Sid than most, so I'd love to see him back in a major promotion.

thommohawk

11-21-2009, 01:10 PM

Looks like Sid's the man Nash was referring to when he said Hogan's not coming in alone.....I thought he meant Ken "Mr. Anderson" Kennedy or Ric Flair, who both of which I believe will come to TNA with Hogan on the back of the Australia tour, I sense Hogan will bring these guys in all at once probably on a PPV so the impact the segment has is heightened. Though I think the Hogan/Nash stable is a swerve in waiting as they are making it too obvious, so there's more to that than meets the eye - I'm not saying Russo is that good but between Russo, Hogan, Nash and Flair there's so much history there (all be it bad history) that they can play around with to make compelling viewing for the smart mark fans who've been there before and know that there's some real heat between a couple of those people not to mention almost all of them had a hand in both the rise and fall of WCW. It wouldn't surprise me either, to see Eric Bischoff in a part time role as an authority figure not dissimilar to when he was running the show in WCW.

As for AJ Style's mystery attacker, it's not AJ lol, and it doesn't look like it's Tomko either seeing as how his return to TNA was revealed in an on screen interview, if it is him though it would have made sense to have the reveal be directly after another attack considering all the buildup it's been getting, but then again this is Vince Russo we are talking about so anything's possible with that guy!

Is it possible that the attacker is Goldberg ? Perhaps he's signed with TNA and we don't know yet ? Like when Angle signed and nobody knew until the reveal....I doubt it, but the guy is big and bald, doesn't look like it's Tomko anymore so who could it be ? Perhaps RELLIK!

Johnny Fenoli

11-21-2009, 06:22 PM

Didnt really want to start a whole thread for this... But here are some results from the Hulkamania Tour (not mine, stolen from a site):

The night started with my mate and I making our way into Rod Laver Arena. It was raining bucket loads and we just wanted to get inside the damn place! I went to the box office and the lady gave us 150 dollar seats (considering we paid 120 for the pair it was a great saving).

The show had a very WCW feel to it, just second rate, nostalgic and well...everything Hulk Hogan. The ring ropes were yellow and red, the graphics on the titantron were yellow and red (flames) and the merchandise stand was all Hogan merchandise. Now I know Hogan is the biggest draw in wrestling, but it felt as if the show was way too much about him. His opponent is a very massive star too, but the poster to the show had a giant picture of Hogan, with Ric's name written somewhere down the bottom. I would have enjoyed seeing HOGAN VS. FLAIR (or something to that effect).

The crowd was at about 6,500 - 7,500. It was half full, the floor was full, the platinum seats (think WWE tour) were about 80% full, and the gold seats (think WWE tour) were about 40% full. An entire section of the gold seats (which held around 2,500 - 3,500) was curtained off. Also behind the titantron, the 'bronze' seats at WWE tours, it looked as if it never existed. Overall the attendance relieved me, I didn't want the show to fail, I wanted people to turn up and in all honestly they did.

The first match featured 'Rock Of Love' Vs. Eugene and the PIMPfather (with a few of his hoes). It lasted about 3-4 minutes, very boring, crap, forgettable match. The highlight was when one of the members of Rock Of Love took his shirt off after the entrance and the crowd chanted 'put your shirt on!!' Pimpfather and Eugene won 1.5/10

Then the second match featured Shannon Moore against Spartan 3000. It was a pretty slow paced cruiserweight match up (if thats what it was meant to be). Spartan won after a pretty sweet shooting star press. 4/10 (for the finish)

The third match was the biggest embarrassment to wrestling. Dear lord this was shocking. The Nasty Pensioners W/Jimmy Hart Vs. Gangrel and some Samoan Undertaker dude called Black Pearl. This match was just so terrible, it gets me thinking how easy it is to manipulate a wrestling crowd. Knobs was an absolute dud out there, hitting someone with a baking tray AND STILL lost his breath, the guy started chanted and most people chanted with him. Anyway it was so bad, the 'shots' were very poorly done, the timing was amateurish and the actual entertainment value was pitiful, it was like a fake pub fight between the town drunk and the town fatty with the winner being NOBODY. 0/10 (Nasty Boys won)

Brutus Beefcake Vs. Heidenriech (however its spelt) was the next match, BAD, full stop, get rid of Hogan's posse. Beefcake won, but ultimately we were all the losers after seeing those horrendous tights he was wearing, blehh!! 1/10 (Nostalgic factor, since I like Beefcake) ...Beefcake won also!

I'm sure there was an intermission next, they came back with a Divas bikini contest, Lacey won I think?? (I didn't know the girls, but they were hot).
I really liked the titantron being used for the match ups, you could see the wrestling on the screen and it helped heaps, the backstage interviews were FANTASTIC too, it really got the crowd involved and it wouldn't hurt the WWE to pretape a few promos like that in America and just play them here for us and pretend its live. It was great.

By this point the ring announcer asked if we are excited for the main event!! Because Hulk Hogan is lacing up those boots as we speak! We get a backstage interview with Flair and what can I say? The ENTIRE crowd was standing, looking at the titantron, this man has presence and brought prestige into this event. My mate said it best, without Hogan and Flair this show would have been at Pipeworks.

Mr. Anderson Vs. Sean Morley was the next match, it was okay, it was way too slow, felt a little second rate, I've seen the guys do better. But it was first CLASS compared to the rest of the crap we saw. Kennedy won with a botched Mic Check! 5/10

Next up was Rikishi & Grandmaster Sexay (nice Thriller dance on the way to the ring too!) Vs. Umaga & Orlando Jordan. I'll tell you right now, Jordan will be a WWE employee in the next 12 months. He is much better then how he was back in 2004. He seems to be building a persona, its good. The match was alright, Too Cool won and started dancing with the referee (who tried the worm). It was an okay match, after the intermission things got better, that's for sure. 5.5/10

The ring announcer (who I thought was great) was pumping us up for the main event! He told us Hogan is lacing those boots back there and will be out any minute. So by the looks of it, Hogan was lacing up his shoes for 45 minutes? LOL! Hogan was interviewed backstage and was awesome Hogan!

The entrances occurred, they also showed a promo on the screen from the press conference. It was great, the entrances of both those superstars was worth the ticket.

The match was okay, lots of blood, no legdrop, it was better than what all the kids could do too. Hogan is an amazing crowd manipulator, everyone was sleeping and he got them off their feet. We just loved being their for Hogan! Hogan won after a shot with the brass knuckles, he looks very rusty at the start, understandable though. I'll give that match a 10/10. It was everything I expected and more to be honest.

Overall the show gets a 6/10 from me. Before the intermission, I believe I saw the worst form of entertainment in the history of my life. After the intermission we got some solid acts, Kennedy, Umaga, Venis, Hogan, Flair...they saved the show and really helped it not rot into the ground.

Moe Hunter

11-21-2009, 06:31 PM

tristram

11-21-2009, 06:33 PM

tristram

11-21-2009, 06:37 PM

Hogan, Nash, Flair, Sting, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Sid Vicious (Raven, Daffney, Jarrett)... Really? Why on earth would TNA go for this? I could have sworn they were supposed to be "edgy" and "alternative" for a "new generation".

This truly is nothing more than WCW 10 years ago. AJ's got a title reign that might last more than a few weeks now, after how many years since he was supposedly their #1 guy? How long before another old timer takes his place and he's forgotten about again?

In fairness... AJ had a brief run in WCW too when they enacted the WCW Cruiserweight Tag Division he tagged with Air Paris... A lot of those guys I would personally pay to see, probably with the massive exception of Sid Vicious... Their last Pay-Per-View was pretty good and featured Styles, Daniels and Samoa Joe in the main event and Kurt Angle and Desmond Wolfe in the semi main event (hardly a WCW love in)... Raven is pretty sweet no matter what he's doing and frankly I regard him more as a ECW megastar...

As long as they still have time for the Knock Outs, the X Division, grow storylines for the X Division guys to get feuds with the WCW guys and then on a few occasions allow the X Division type guys to go over, then it's all ok to me.

Also, I think it's Pepsi that's for a new generation :D

rodzillahotrod

11-21-2009, 07:08 PM

Did you miss the third attack? Because there he was all dressed in black and a mask and you could clearly see he was way taller then AJ and more muscular.

i still dont think its tomko and i've seen all 3 attacks he really didnt look that much taller then aj imo nor do i think tomko is that strong

Hyde Hill

11-21-2009, 10:39 PM

alden

11-21-2009, 10:50 PM

I think they have dropped the masked man attacking angle. It was not at the ppv or the last two impact....i know it was not on the last one atleast. I think it might have been tomko but they just dropped it and intorduced him on screen the way they did because they did not know what elce to do.

rodzillahotrod

11-22-2009, 04:49 AM

i was thinking the samething but waiting to see if there was anymore news. i really hate when promtions just drop storylines without finishing them...

Hyde Hill

11-22-2009, 07:18 AM

Russo. Nuf said.

Self

11-22-2009, 07:34 AM

Russo. Nuf said.

It's not just a Russo thing. Vince McMahon has them going all the time. It even happens in mainstream TV and Movies. Characters and plot-lines are set up, but for one reason or another they're forgotten about or fade into the background. It can be annoying, but it's not a Russo-only problem.

Hyde Hill

11-22-2009, 09:09 AM

No but he does have that problem in quite a major way and is the main "writer" for TNA atm.

PhenomenalPat

11-22-2009, 09:13 AM

Wrestling Observer is reporting they have signed Sweet Saraya Knight, don't know what they want with her seeing as she is 39 years old. She is British though so a WE knockout is a possibility but still. Anyone have more info on her and if she can still go?

I dunno if she can, hopefully she can still go, cause she has some talent for sure. Hope she brings her daughter with her. :)

Remianen

11-22-2009, 12:56 PM

Did I just read through that and not see a Hogan promo?? If Hogan isn't winding up the crowd...yuck. It means I've got a couple of hours to sit through with the wife going "When's Hogan coming out?" "Where's Flair?" "Who's that guy?" "I don't know him, who's he?" "How old is that guy?", "Who's he?" and of course "Who's he?" intermitted with "When does this end?" and "Can we go home now?"

God I hope you're kidding. I used to get pissed when I'd take a friend to SHIMMER shows and hear crap like that (til I just quit taking friends).

In fairness... AJ had a brief run in WCW too when they enacted the WCW Cruiserweight Tag Division he tagged with Air Paris... A lot of those guys I would personally pay to see, probably with the massive exception of Sid Vicious... Their last Pay-Per-View was pretty good and featured Styles, Daniels and Samoa Joe in the main event and Kurt Angle and Desmond Wolfe in the semi main event (hardly a WCW love in)... Raven is pretty sweet no matter what he's doing and frankly I regard him more as a ECW megastar...

You're a dyed in the wool WCW fan though, aren't you?

Wrestling Observer is reporting they have signed Sweet Saraya Knight, don't know what they want with her seeing as she is 39 years old. She is British though so a WE knockout is a possibility but still. Anyone have more info on her and if she can still go?

Sweet Saraya can still go. But you have to understand that the UK style is not the US style. If she's working the style she's most familiar with, she's easily one of the best workers the UK has. She's not a flippity floppity spot monkey (that's more Britani's style) but her strengths lie in her performance skills and charisma.

I dunno if she can, hopefully she can still go, cause she has some talent for sure. Hope she brings her daughter with her. :)

I dunno. Last I saw her a year ago, Britani was still really green. If she came to TNA, they'd have to restrict her to working only with the experienced hands (Hamada, Melissa, Sarah Stock, Tara, Kong) or doing color-by-numbers style matches with everyone else. Otherwise, somebody gon' get kilt! :p

Maybe they signed Saraya to work with the Knockouts as a road agent (she'd be good at that).

Hyde Hill

11-22-2009, 01:48 PM

If they are gonna use her as the Knockout RA what is D'Amore gonna do? Go back to Border City or maybe get added to the creative team? Hoping the second of course. Well if she can still go then its all good imho.

PhenomenalPat

11-22-2009, 06:53 PM

I dunno. Last I saw her a year ago, Britani was still really green. If she came to TNA, they'd have to restrict her to working only with the experienced hands (Hamada, Melissa, Sarah Stock, Tara, Kong) or doing color-by-numbers style matches with everyone else. Otherwise, somebody gon' get kilt! :p

Maybe they signed Saraya to work with the Knockouts as a road agent (she'd be good at that).

Not too familiar with Britani, just think she's hot and wouldn't mind seeing her on a semi regular basis.

tristram

11-22-2009, 10:54 PM

God I hope you're kidding. I used to get pissed when I'd take a friend to SHIMMER shows and hear crap like that (til I just quit taking friends).

LOL. I am serious. My mrs is the best chick ever. She supports whatever sports teams I like, if I want to watch wrestling she'll watch it too... very easy going. But yes, if there's someone she doesn't know she's gonna be busting my chops asking a lot of questions.

You're a dyed in the wool WCW fan though, aren't you?

Is it becoming obvious? :eek::eek::eek: Believe it or not, outside of these boards these days I find myself very uninterested in professional wrestling. But the WCW thing... it just reminds me of finishing high school where a heap of us were so into Sting fighting off the nWo ... it was the shizzle. We even had in class tipping competitions on Pay-Per-Views. Where I came from, we didn't have 'cable', we had two national broadcast channels and the only wrestling they picked up was WCW Monday Nitro and the Pay-Per-Views (for free), so there was no alternatives. So it became that you either loved rugby union or you loved WCW.

Remianen

11-23-2009, 04:11 AM

Is it becoming obvious? :eek::eek::eek: Believe it or not, outside of these boards these days I find myself very uninterested in professional wrestling.

That seems like a fairly common occurrence.

And yes, your love of WCW is about as much a secret as my love of women's wrestling. :p

rodzillahotrod

11-23-2009, 09:06 AM

LOL. I am serious. My mrs is the best chick ever. She supports whatever sports teams I like, if I want to watch wrestling she'll watch it too... very easy going. But yes, if there's someone she doesn't know she's gonna be busting my chops asking a lot of questions.

Is it becoming obvious? :eek::eek::eek: Believe it or not, outside of these boards these days I find myself very uninterested in professional wrestling. But the WCW thing... it just reminds me of finishing high school where a heap of us were so into Sting fighting off the nWo ... it was the shizzle. We even had in class tipping competitions on Pay-Per-Views. Where I came from, we didn't have 'cable', we had two national broadcast channels and the only wrestling they picked up was WCW Monday Nitro and the Pay-Per-Views (for free), so there was no alternatives. So it became that you either loved rugby union or you loved WCW.

u was on sting's side :eek: i was cheering for nwo almost the whole time lol till the end i stopped watching it. wow im kinda surprised u guys got only 2 channels but hey atleast u got the ppv free lol i've heard of small towns but wow only 2 channels is mind boggling. i've been in the woods where u a least got like 4 regular channels they might of been almost all news channels but at least there was 4 lol

Moe Hunter

11-23-2009, 09:28 AM

What Tristram forgot to mention is that we had WCW on a 6 month delay! You could get PPVs at the video store well in advance of what you could see on TV. And Nitro usually started at like 11pm. Raw was on a channel that most of the country couldn't even get.

I got into wrestling through the games mostly. I started catching the programming later on, went back and got some old tapes, etc.

tristram

11-23-2009, 11:01 PM

That seems like a fairly common occurrence.

And yes, your love of WCW is about as much a secret as my love of women's wrestling. :p

:D Maybe there's therapy for ''''specialists'''' like us?

u was on sting's side :eek: i was cheering for nwo almost the whole time lol till the end i stopped watching it. wow im kinda surprised u guys got only 2 channels but hey atleast u got the ppv free lol i've heard of small towns but wow only 2 channels is mind boggling. i've been in the woods where u a least got like 4 regular channels they might of been almost all news channels but at least there was 4 lol

Absolutely. Always on the Stinger's side. He was just .... so different.

And yes, we did get PPV free to air, TV2. Great times.

What Tristram forgot to mention is that we had WCW on a 6 month delay! You could get PPVs at the video store well in advance of what you could see on TV. And Nitro usually started at like 11pm. Raw was on a channel that most of the country couldn't even get.

I got into wrestling through the games mostly. I started catching the programming later on, went back and got some old tapes, etc.

Yes we did get it on delay. When Nitro first actually came on, it was something like a 2-3 month delay. And even before that, we got I think it was WCW International, and that was it. Nitro was Friday night on TV2 at 11PM. I don't believe we ever got Thunder, for that matter.

mike b

11-24-2009, 06:17 AM

Well after listening to Bret Harts interview i know how he feels about Hogan going to TNA. He basically is saying its gonna become WCW all over again and hogan will just bring TNA down.

sebsplex

11-24-2009, 02:04 PM

I don't believe we ever got Thunder, for that matter.

I don't think we ever got Thunder in the UK either, but by all accounts, perhaps it was for the best.

As for Hogan not coming alone... well that Nash segment keeps the hype-mill turning nicely. I'm not too sure where I stand on Sid coming to TNA (if he indeed is). I enjoyed some of his late stuff in the WWE(F), like winning the title from Bret Hart (if partly to help further the Hart/HBK feud). I didn't see a great deal of him in WCW... lets just hope someone keeps the scissors away from him.

Hyde Hill

11-24-2009, 09:45 PM

Well after listening to Bret Harts interview i know how he feels about Hogan going to TNA. He basically is saying its gonna become WCW all over again and hogan will just bring TNA down.

Got a link for that?

mike b

11-24-2009, 10:31 PM

Got a link for that?

Yes i do sir

http://www.inyourheadonline.com/

lovestruck420

11-24-2009, 10:39 PM

I just have one question to ask......

How much are they paying certain stars like Matt Morgan and Samoa Joe to praise Hogan?

mike b

11-24-2009, 10:41 PM

Srry just scroll down you will see a picture of hart yoiu cal listen to replay and any show they have ...... listen to Nashes you will love it.

rodzillahotrod

11-25-2009, 03:29 PM

I just have one question to ask......

How much are they paying certain stars like Matt Morgan and Samoa Joe to praise Hogan?

not sure how much does a hammer cost to break the glass hogans bringing? im really excited about hogan coming but then again im upset because i know a lot of guys r going to lose air time and i really hope its not the knockouts

lovestruck420

11-25-2009, 03:45 PM

Well since he's constantly referring to AJ Styles as a new kid, I'm sure alot of people are going to be pushed into obscurity. I give it 6 months before ROH is flooded with ex-TNA talent.

I'm not against hogan in tna, I am against giving hogan the power in TNA.

liontamer

11-25-2009, 03:49 PM

not sure how much does a hammer cost to break the glass hogans bringing? im really excited about hogan coming but then again im upset because i know a lot of guys r going to lose air time and i really hope its not the knockouts

I like the knockouts as well, but I have a related question..... does anyone find ODB entertaining? I did for maybe a month, but now she's just boring wierd and hard to look at. I wouldn't mind a bit if she dropped the title and disappeared from TV for a while.

lovestruck420

11-25-2009, 04:04 PM

I like the knockouts as well, but I have a related question..... does anyone find ODB entertaining? I did for maybe a month, but now she's just boring wierd and hard to look at. I wouldn't mind a bit if she dropped the title and disappeared from TV for a while.

Thought I was the only one.....I can't stand her, she makes me want to puke and I can't understand how she got to be so popular among the fans. She was funny for a bit, but not for a long time.....

alden

11-25-2009, 04:05 PM

I never really liked odb all that much to be honest. She is good at him gimmick i guess but i just think she is bad on the mic and not alot of ring skills.......i think if they pushed her like the monster of the knockouts like they do kong it might be diffrent.

rodzillahotrod

11-25-2009, 07:08 PM

i think shes funny but she is wierd

tristram

11-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Nedew

11-26-2009, 03:47 AM

When it comes to women's wrestling, they're either hot or entertaining in-ring. Maybe i just like the uncoventional, but i think ODB is both :D

Gouge

11-27-2009, 09:04 AM

The thing I like about the Knock Outs is the variety. They're not all dyed in the wool glamour blondes. You do have that with the Beautiful People (yum yum Velvet Sky... did I mention I like Velvet Sky???!), you've got a randy southern gal bourbon drinker, and you have the extremely strong Amazing Kong... Personally, I like it, and I like ODB.

^ Pretty much what I was going to say. I love the KO division in TNA. It has diversity and personality, something that's been missing from mainstream wrestling. A WWE Diva division these days; you got the sexy faces and the bitchy heels. All the faces are friends, all the heels are friends for no reason other than alignment. ODB isn't someone I consider fapable, but I never found sex appeal to be that big of a deal in wrestling for women. She has an interesting character and can wrestle an entertaining match. That does it for me.

Anyway I caught iMPACT for the first time in ages. Thanksgiving episodes are usually really bad and plagued with horrible gimmick matches and stipluations, but this one was alright. All the matches had enough time to tell a story and all were pretty enjoyable. Just a few things that kinda bugged me:

- The whole concept of them representing a division was stupid to me. Ok so you have Bobby Roode face off against Homicide, Angle, and Lashley. I know he lost, but hypothetically, say he won all three matches...and then he uses this tournament to have him and James Storm go for a title they could probably get without having to quality for to begin with? You would think if you beat two main eventers that you would take the opportunity to fight for the World title. Especially if you're someone like Roode, Suicide, or Homicide who normally wouldn't be in contention.

- While I'm happy that Lashley didn't beat Desmond clean to keep him strong, it made the finals look pathetic. You had Bobby Lashely, who just recently lost to Steiner at a PPV and only beat the previous round by disqualification. Then you have Bobby Roode, who is going for a tag team title shot and won his last match by countout thanks to Desmond Wolfe interference. And Lashley winning the whole thing just further muddies up TNA's all-over-the-place booking of him.

- STOP MENTIONING WWE!!! The whole promo with Hogan just is an epic facepalm. ffs, stop trying to give the fans a choice. Focus on making your product better and let us make the choice ourselves. The Hogan videos just made me dread his signing even more. I just can't see anything positive coming out of it in TNA's longrun. The Hulkamaniacs that come along to watch just aren't worth the effort.

In any case, disregarding the booking and such, the show was enjoyable. And I thought Bobby Roode looked fantastic. His match with Angle I'd consider PPV quality, even if it did come out of nowhere. I'd love to see him get a single run sooner than later as I feel the whole Beer Money team is holding back. I do like them, but James Storm will never amount to anything above a comedy character. Roode, on the other hand, still does have potential.

Tigerkinney

11-29-2009, 12:18 PM

In any case, disregarding the booking and such, the show was enjoyable. And I thought Bobby Roode looked fantastic. His match with Angle I'd consider PPV quality, even if it did come out of nowhere. I'd love to see him get a single run sooner than later as I feel the whole Beer Money team is holding back. I do like them, but James Storm will never amount to anything above a comedy character. Roode, on the other hand, still does have potential.

Roode's stock certainly did rise with that episode of Impact, though I personally wouldn't go breaking up Beer Money anytime soon. They are still over and have established themselves as one of the lynchpins of the Tag division in TNA, saying that the days of career Tag Team are now over (Team 3D are the last of a dying breed) and I think Roode does have what it takes to eventually make his mark as a singles competitor but on top of the Beer Money still having plenty of mileage left in it if Roode did go singles at this moment in time he would just get lost in the mix.

In fact it's his work as part of Beer Money over the past year that has turned round my opinion on Roode. His singles run before teaming with Storm never really amounted to much and all I saw was a fairly bland worker with career mid-carder written all over them, however of late I do agree that Roode has shown glimpses of perhaps one day having what it takes to rise to the main event. The key word there though is potential and it will be as much down to the TNA booking and whether he gets a sustained push as to whether or not Roode does make that step up from being solid midcarder to main event player.

Off Topic: I notice that you (Gouge) are obviously a Pixies fan (going by your username and Avatar), so I feel the need to commend you on your impeccable musical taste :)

Johnny Fenoli

11-29-2009, 04:14 PM

Any idea what name Mick said when Steiner asked him who the smartest person he knows was? The name they bleeped twice.

TracyBrooksFan

11-29-2009, 05:01 PM

Vince McMahon or Shane McMahon

lovestruck420

11-29-2009, 08:11 PM

You know i was actually excited for TNA at first with the Hogan signing. Saw it as a Huge Step forward. But now that the whole show is Hogan pimping, I'm scared that TNA has made a big mistake.....

GDE71

11-29-2009, 10:11 PM

You know i was actually excited for TNA at first with the Hogan signing. Saw it as a Huge Step forward. But now that the whole show is Hogan pimping, I'm scared that TNA has made a big mistake.....

I never worry about something until it's TIME TO WORRY.

This is not yet the time to worry about what Hogan does or does not do with or to TNA.

SaySo

11-29-2009, 10:33 PM

Source: Wrestling Observer
In a story that will get a lot of play not because it's serious, but because of the irony, Nick Bollea was involved in a minor auto acident last night in downtown Los Angeles coming back from a charity event to raise money for a group called "Keep it on the Track," to teach people safe driving.

Story is at http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/29/nick-hogan-car-accident/

Wrestling Century

11-30-2009, 10:19 AM

Don't worry guys. Hogan says that he will most likely NOT get back in the ring. He just wants to book TNA, and he might just do a fine job at that.

lovestruck420

11-30-2009, 10:34 AM

Don't worry guys. Hogan says that he will most likely NOT get back in the ring. He just wants to book TNA, and he might just do a fine job at that.

No one man can book a company well. It takes a good board of bookers to veto the crap and only put on the good. If hogan has the book with no rope around his neck he'll kill the company.......

Nedew

11-30-2009, 11:35 AM

No one man can book a company well.

Yeah, WWE were suffocating when they streaked miles ahead of WCW with Russo (and Ferrera, but 2 men a booking team does not make) at the helm :rolleyes:

Heyman did a great job at ECW too, he just wasn't a money man.

SaySo

11-30-2009, 01:14 PM

Don't worry guys. Hogan says that he will most likely NOT get back in the ring. He just wants to book TNA, and he might just do a fine job at that.

Will Hogan pay us to watch TNA or give us discounts to view pay per views?

lovestruck420

11-30-2009, 02:19 PM

Heyman did a great job at ECW too, he just wasn't a money man.

With the same respect though, the talent of ECW had a huge amount of input into their own characters. So instead of it being all Heyman, it was actually Heyman with the advise of his whole locker room.

Self

11-30-2009, 03:13 PM

... and while Heyman was in charge of the big picture, the details were often booked by a team under him. I believe Lance Storm said that he, Raven and Dreamer were booking the small shows and the minutiae of the matches for a time.

Teams are good, but in my mind I say the smaller the better. The bigger you get, the more time spent arguing between different points of view.

Wrestling Century

11-30-2009, 04:05 PM

Yeah, I would say that about 4 or 5 is the max for a good booking team. Any more than that though and it becomes a mess. Anyways, let my clarify my statement. I was trying to say that Hulk says that he is going to become the head booker. I didn't mean to say that he would become the only booker (although he may)! I don't think any big company has ever been run with one booker!

Johnny Fenoli

12-05-2009, 09:00 PM

SUICIDE!?

TNA is going head to head with RAW on January 4th? Announced tonight during the ultimate finale....

thoughts?

|Anderz|

12-05-2009, 09:03 PM

seems... well a tad optimistic...

is it just a one-off or is it permanent?

theyre going the right way about it though.. get Hulk on everything to promote the thing.. its only way they stand a chance of getting anything more than they currently are ratings wise..

TracyBrooksFan

12-05-2009, 09:04 PM

isn't the 4th the night THE ROCK hosts Raw?

Johnny Fenoli

12-05-2009, 09:08 PM

isn't the 4th the night THE ROCK hosts Raw?

Is it???? Didnt know the rock was for sure hosting... in that case TNA will be watched almost exclusively on DVR systems everywhere...

TracyBrooksFan

12-05-2009, 09:09 PM

Rock vs Hogan II

SaySo

12-05-2009, 09:12 PM

Vince to Rock - "How about hosting Jan 4th."

TracyBrooksFan

12-05-2009, 09:13 PM

Vince will make that raw big

infinitywpi

12-05-2009, 09:29 PM

Dammit. I hope Heroes and House are reruns that night. The DVR can't tape that many things at once...

Johnny Fenoli

12-05-2009, 09:53 PM

They picked a good place to announce this though... Smart. Maybe they can get Hulkster on monday night football or something, on the sidelines? Get the word out there... then they gotta get Sting, Kurt Angle, and maybe a Ric Flair on the show... Have the old guys bring in some viewers, let them put over the youngsters.

dcxbox

12-05-2009, 11:32 PM

Dammit. I hope Heroes and House are reruns that night. The DVR can't tape that many things at once...

good thing heroes is on netflix the next day, but if u dont have netflix you can watch on hulu with short commercials

Candyman

12-06-2009, 02:36 AM

Yeah, WWE were suffocating when they streaked miles ahead of WCW with Russo (and Ferrera, but 2 men a booking team does not make) at the helm :rolleyes:

Is this sarcasm? :confused: It was nothing even close to just those two running the show, they were just the head writers. Hell, they didn't even have FINAL SAY (Vince McMahon says hi) :rolleyes:

On the topic of TNA vs. WWE on January 4th...this will be fun. It should be the best episode of Raw in a long time. If The Rock wasn't going to host that episode, he will now. It's in Ohio and the Cavs aren't playing, so I'm sure Shaq will be involved somehow and possibly LeBron. I'm sure Steve Austin's phone is already ringing. You better believe the doctors will be taking a close look at Edge's Achilles the next few weeks.

Make no mistake. WWE will crush TNA in the ratings that night. Consider it a moral victory for TNA if they get half of WWE's number. But that rating, for all intents and purposes, is irrelevent. It's the rating for the Impact that Thursday night, and the next Thursday, and the next Thursday that matter. They're going to have a huge ratings boost, the question is how many of those extra viewers (like me) will they keep?

sebsplex

12-06-2009, 06:26 AM

Make no mistake. WWE will crush TNA in the ratings that night. Consider it a moral victory for TNA if they get half of WWE's number. But that rating, for all intents and purposes, is irrelevent. It's the rating for the Impact that Thursday night, and the next Thursday, and the next Thursday that matter. They're going to have a huge ratings boost, the question is how many of those extra viewers (like me) will they keep?

Seconded. I'm sure they have some sort of 'target' rating in mind. It'll be nowhere near the WWE's, but despite the fact that they'll get trounced in the ratings, it's worth the move just for the additional hype and interest generated from putting Impact up against RAW. I guess it 'tests the water' a bit too, but it also allows TNA to pitch itself as an ambitious company. The key factor is going to be how many of those 'new' viewers can they carry across to thursday nights.

Plus if it means the WWE actually put some additional effort into making a memorable RAW that week, all the better.

Nedew

12-06-2009, 07:43 AM

sebsplex

12-06-2009, 08:09 AM

I'd like to say that on the past Impact or two, there's been some great little nods and in-jokes...

Like with Foley talking to D'Lo, "What, you think Hulk's gonna give you a run with the European title!?" and "Who even walks like that anyway!?"... As well as stuff like "Knobbs in that corner, Ed Leslie sitting in MY CHAIR" :D

Nash made some great contributions too... "Yeah, he's coming in with.. The RENEGADE!"

I have to say, I laughed hard last week when Nash made his Nasty Boys armpit gesture and then threw in a line to Young at the end... "Seriously, if Knobbs is coming, then I quit".

infinitywpi

12-06-2009, 10:44 AM

good thing heroes is on netflix the next day, but if u dont have netflix you can watch on hulu with short commercials

Wife hates watching shows on computer for some reason. Even if I hook it up to the HDTV. *shrug* Women.

Wrestling Century

12-06-2009, 02:34 PM

Let's all hope that this is the start of another Monday Night War! :D If it is, we sit back and enjoy it! :cool:

Hyde Hill

12-06-2009, 06:46 PM

I have to say, I laughed hard last week when Nash made his Nasty Boys armpit gesture and then threw in a line to Young at the end... "Seriously, if Knobbs is coming, then I quit".

Yeah plus loved the way it was a nod to all the annoying iwc people that where writing doom when Hogan signed and he would bring those guys in. There's a lot of those insider/regular follower jokes laced throughout many shows which is fun if you always watch it but at the same time hard for the more casual viewer.

My personal fav lately:

Tenay: Velvet Sky was on the cover of muscle and fitness magizine.
Tazz: Ah.. wasn't Vince in that too?
Tenay: Russo!?

Or something like that. Freaking hilarious.

On topic of monday:

Smart move as it gets even more buzz and maybe extra viewers who because they are just flipping during commercials probably won't impact the ratings much but will garner extra exposure. At Genesis and or that Impact and or the next they need something else big though for even extra momentum. ( Please RVD, Please RVD. Seeing as we have been robbed of Joe vs Fatu we can still have Styles vs RVD hehe.)

Wrestling Century

12-06-2009, 07:00 PM

Seeing as we have been robbed of Joe vs Fatu we can still have Styles vs RVD hehe.

Excuse me, but that's a little disrespectful. How did we get "robbed" of Joe vs Fatu? That's kind of rude IMO, especially since Eddie Fatu just passed away! :(

masterded

12-06-2009, 07:06 PM

Excuse me, but that's a little disrespectful. How did we get "robbed" of Joe vs Fatu? That's kind of rude IMO, especially since Eddie Fatu just passed away! :(

That is what he is talking about. He is saying he wanted to see Joe vs Fatu but due to his death he never will. He used the term robbed due to his early death. Nothing disrespectful about what he said at all.

Johnny Fenoli

12-06-2009, 07:10 PM

That is what he is talking about. He is saying he wanted to see Joe vs Fatu but due to his death he never will. He used the term robbed due to his early death. Nothing disrespectful about what he said at all.

What he said.... Chillax, we were robbed of Umaga. Robbed as in took from this earth.

Wrestling Century

12-06-2009, 08:15 PM

What he said.... Chillax, we were robbed of Umaga. Robbed as in took from this earth.

Okay. Thanks for clearing up the confusion guys! I just thought he meant we were cheated out of the match!

Hyde Hill

12-08-2009, 08:30 PM

I meant no disrespect in any way and am sorry if it has been interpreted in that way by any reader. Check out my comment on his passing. Still think the quality of the Impacts post Turning Point have been less imho apart from the thanksgiving show. Head to head will be exciting though.

BHK1978

12-10-2009, 11:26 PM

I just want to thank TNA for that mud wrestling match.:) The more time Velvet Sky is on my television the better!

I did not see the first hour of the show but the second hour was not bad. I really like what they did with the main event, having Christopher Daniels come out and cause Desmond the match. That is good logical booking for TNA! And we as fans don't normally get to see good logical booking coming from TNA.

Tag01

12-11-2009, 09:45 AM

Wrestling Century

12-11-2009, 04:07 PM

I realized last night that I really just don't care about Mick Foley anymore. He was always one of my favorites, but I'm really pretty much ready for him to wrap it up. If he would take Nash and Steiner with him I'd be pretty pleased.

:eek: How dare you! Mick Foley is still one of my favorites! He can still put on good matches, cut good promos, and is the best hardcore wrestler of this generation! Sorry to go off on a rant! Just wondering why the heck you want him to leave. Same with Steiner. He cut IMO, the best promo in his career last night! "I don't discriminate against age!" Priceless! :D Sorry, I should stop ranting now! :cool:

BHK1978

12-11-2009, 04:16 PM

:eek: How dare you! Mick Foley is still one of my favorites! He can still put on good matches, cut good promos, and is the best hardcore wrestler of this generation! Sorry to go off on a rant! Just wondering why the heck you want him to leave. Same with Steiner. He cut IMO, the best promo in his career last night! "I don't discriminate against age!" Priceless! :D Sorry, I should stop ranting now! :cool:

Well I can't speak for Tag01 but I totally agree. Mick's character seems tired, almost like he is going through the motions. The storyline that he is currently in is just well boring, at least to me. Maybe it is just the way that TNA is using him, but I really have no interest in seeing him anymore.

As for Scott Steiner, I have to admit I did like that promo last night and I love what they are doing with him, making him delusional star not willing to admit that he is no longer part of the company's elite group.

That being said, I have not been a fan of Scott's since he became a singles wrestler. I was a huge Steiner Brothers fan, and once Rick was pushed in the background I just can not get into Scott as a singles wrestler.

Wrestling Century

12-11-2009, 04:33 PM

Well I can't speak for Tag01 but I totally agree. Mick's character seems tired, almost like he is going through the motions. The storyline that he is currently in is just well boring, at least to me. Maybe it is just the way that TNA is using him, but I really have no interest in seeing him anymore.

As for Scott Steiner, I have to admit I did like that promo last night and I love what they are doing with him, making him delusional star not willing to admit that he is no longer part of the company's elite group.

That being said, I have not been a fan of Scott's since he became a singles wrestler. I was a huge Steiner Brothers fan, and once Rick was pushed in the background I just can not get into Scott as a singles wrestler.

Scott's new gimmick is a good one, I have to admit. Mick Foley's heel turn was great, but it was cut too short. His heel turn proved that he still can cut a great promo, but this storyline that he's in is dull. But I don't think that anyone can deny that Foley can still have a good match! Then again, I'm a big mark for Mick Foley, so that may make me a little biased! :D

BHK1978

12-11-2009, 04:39 PM

Scott's new gimmick is a good one, I have to admit. Mick Foley's heel turn was great, but it was cut too short. His heel turn proved that he still can cut a great promo, but this storyline that he's in is dull. But I don't think that anyone can deny that Foley can still have a good match! Then again, I'm a big mark for Mick Foley, so that may make me a little biased! :D

Oh, don't get me wrong I think Mick is great but like you said the storyline he is in is very dull.

Did anybody catch the, "You can't wrestle!" chants that Rob Terry got? That had me laughing. All though at the end of the match, it looks like they might be turning him face. I really hope this does not happen, because the last thing we need is a Welsh version of Lex Luger.

Wrestling Century

12-11-2009, 04:42 PM

Did anybody catch the, "You can't wrestle!" chants that Rob Terry got?

Finally the casual audience figured out why he was squashed in under a minute by Hernandez....with a shoulder block! :D

Tag01

12-12-2009, 12:25 AM

Steiner's new gimmick is better than his usual bit, but his ring work still makes me want to punch myself in the face.

Condors

12-12-2009, 01:16 AM

I had been liking impact more and more lately. This past week I was hopefull when it was going to be the Kevin Nash show. Honestly I was dissapointed with the show.

Steiner's pushups and the mud wrestling is not what i want from a wrestling show. Angle was doing commentary and Daniels makes a run in should have been a 4 way fight without Wolf getting pinned, I am not a fan of the distraction roll up pin endings anyways, someone is on the apron well that makes a roll up unstoppable. I know its all fake but I don't want it to look that fake.

I had not liked the Foley storyline until this week although i am not sure how its going to play out.

ECW 2.0

12-12-2009, 01:24 AM

best impact ever any time lacy von erich and sky have a mud wrestling match is a classic.

Wrestling Century

12-12-2009, 03:19 PM

Steiner's pushups and the mud wrestling is not what i want from a wrestling show.

Really? That's all I want from a wrestling show! Sure this week's show didn't have much in the "serious" wrestling department, but it sure was entertaining! But Condors, if you want serious wresting, allow me to recommend Puroresu or ROH. Because seriously, WWE and TNA is more entertainment than seriousness.

TNAfan123

12-12-2009, 03:31 PM

BHK1978

12-12-2009, 03:33 PM

cappyboy

12-12-2009, 04:02 PM

Really? That's all I want from a wrestling show! Sure this week's show didn't have much in the "serious" wrestling department, but it sure was entertaining! But Condors, if you want serious wresting, allow me to recommend Puroresu or ROH. Because seriously, WWE and TNA is more entertainment than seriousness.

I don't know as it serious vs entertainment as such. It sounds to me like it's as much the who and the how. Which I can't really blame him for. Scott Steiner has been really good in the current gimmick of trying to hang on to the Main Event Mafia. And the pushups are an old school thing. So I probably wouldn't have quibbled about that so much myself. But Big Poppa Plump When You Cook Him isn't quite as a fun in general as he used to be. In the ring in particular, the guy has become dramatically played out. And I would imagine Condors is kinda like me. The personality stuff is probably most entertaining when it has the potential to lead to the ring in some manner. But as good as the Lashley/Steiner feud has been on the buildup side, the ring's not a place I want to see Steiner any more than I have to these days. So from that end, I can see the pushup segment missing something.

As for the mud wrestling match, here's the question. Why do we NEED to turn on TNA to see that? In my mind, we don't. That's why you have establishments like The Boom Boom Room and JB's Gallery of Girls. To go out into your town and see hot chicks bump and grind or roll around in slippery stuff. As hot as Lacey Von Erich and Velvet Sky may be, I want to see different stuff from them when they are on my TV screen. They want to stay over an extra day or two after Impact's been here so they can mud wrestle at JB's, I'm down with that. But on TV, I want to see something I wouldn't be able to otherwise. If it builds up to a more traditional type of match, I'll be forgiving. But mud wrestling and bikini contests on wrestling shows for their own sakes bore me. They just aren't special enough to be worth the time.

Wrestling Century

12-12-2009, 04:11 PM

As long as the show was entertaining then it was worth my time IMO.

tristram

12-12-2009, 05:26 PM

I don't know as it serious vs entertainment as such. It sounds to me like it's as much the who and the how. Which I can't really blame him for. Scott Steiner has been really good in the current gimmick of trying to hang on to the Main Event Mafia. And the pushups are an old school thing. So I probably wouldn't have quibbled about that so much myself. But Big Poppa Plump When You Cook Him isn't quite as a fun in general as he used to be. In the ring in particular, the guy has become dramatically played out. And I would imagine Condors is kinda like me. The personality stuff is probably most entertaining when it has the potential to lead to the ring in some manner. But as good as the Lashley/Steiner feud has been on the buildup side, the ring's not a place I want to see Steiner any more than I have to these days. So from that end, I can see the pushup segment missing something.

As for the mud wrestling match, here's the question. Why do we NEED to turn on TNA to see that? In my mind, we don't. That's why you have establishments like The Boom Boom Room and JB's Gallery of Girls. To go out into your town and see hot chicks bump and grind or roll around in slippery stuff. As hot as Lacey Von Erich and Velvet Sky may be, I want to see different stuff from them when they are on my TV screen. They want to stay over an extra day or two after Impact's been here so they can mud wrestle at JB's, I'm down with that. But on TV, I want to see something I wouldn't be able to otherwise. If it builds up to a more traditional type of match, I'll be forgiving. But mud wrestling and bikini contests on wrestling shows for their own sakes bore me. They just aren't special enough to be worth the time.

I think you may be missing the intent and the gimmick of the Beautiful People. What you're basically saying is akin to saying that you don't tune into wrestling to watch cheap comedy and you could easily do it watching HBO stand up... but that's half of what DX is built on.

Well rounded professional wrestling promotions are no longer merely get in the ring for 15 minutes, work a slow paced match with a decent finish, intermitted with three or four 'Enhancement Talent' v Upper Midcard matches, and then a ten minute end match with a controversial win or at least a controversial attempt at a win to keep a town hot and a feud relevant. The remote is all too easily accessible if you are getting the same old, same old. Marketing hot chicks is a major marketing tool to draw in the teenage male market, a very lucrative market.

The Beautiful People clearly are designed to say, we're better looking than you but they play it so that it highlights the others, like ODB, Taylor Wilde, Tara, Amazing Kong, who are clearly better workers than them by basically selling everything under the sun for them as they're just pretty girls.

haloed

12-12-2009, 05:35 PM

I didn't care for the latest episode of Impact as much as the last few. It was a solid show and like mentioned somewhere I too liked the finish in the ME with Daniels making sure Wolfe wouldn't win the match.

cappyboy

12-12-2009, 06:46 PM

I think you may be missing the intent and the gimmick of the Beautiful People. What you're basically saying is akin to saying that you don't tune into wrestling to watch cheap comedy and you could easily do it watching HBO stand up... but that's half of what DX is built on.

Hoo boy where to begin with this. Do I get on you for condesending (sic) to me about The Beautiful People? Do I start with pointing out that by using DX as your parallel you're trying to defend you point with a group that annoyed me even more? Or merely mention that I've never watched anything that was shown on HBO and that I have to take your word on that part.

I think I'll go with the accusation of missing the point of The Beautiful People. When did I ever say I didn't like the gimmick in general? Quite the opposite. I doubt I'd like the Knockout division anywhere near as much if there weren't any Beautiful People to represent what all the more competitively minded ladies find wrong with the wrestling scene. They are much needed counter-balance characters to keep people wanting the stories grounded in the ring.

Well rounded professional wrestling promotions are no longer merely get in the ring for 15 minutes, work a slow paced match with a decent finish, intermitted with three or four 'Enhancement Talent' v Upper Midcard matches, and then a ten minute end match with a controversial win or at least a controversial attempt at a win to keep a town hot and a feud relevant.

And it's never been quite what you describe in my lifetime. In the 60's and 70's sure. But in the 80's (the era my memory actually starts at) that recipe you're assuming I bow down at the altar of was crumbling. Sure you still had the jobber squashes until the Monday Night Wars started. But all that slow paced stuff is bunk. Anyone who paints the 80's as slow-paced as prior decades conveniently glosses over The Rock & Roll Express. And The Fantastics. Michaels and Jannetty as the MIDNGHT Rockers and so many other speedballs I could never properly credit them all. Sure you had the hosses and some technicians at the top. But to act like that's all there was is like dismissing the international midcard of WCW in the mid 90's or the X division in TNA because they weren't/aren't going for marquee belts either.

The remote is all too easily accessible if you are getting the same old, same old. Marketing hot chicks is a major marketing tool to draw in the teenage male market, a very lucrative market.

And that's always been the case. If you think I have an issue with that, you're just hearing the typical IWC blinders and not hearing what I'm saying. I have NO PROBLEM with bikini contests and the like AS LONG as they mean something. I know the main reason is to appeal to the teenage male market you think you're trying to educate me to. But like I said, if that's all it does, then it becomes the same old, same old you're talking about. Something that's gettable darn near anywhere.

You seem to think I'm responding like some prude who thinks the mud wrestling has no place on TV. Far from it. I'm more than willing to go along as long as there's an entertaining payoff. But if I can get the same bikini contest at the club across town, why should I stay home and watch wrestling chicks do it? Now if that same mud wrestling match can tittilate the teen boys AND give the wallowers a chance to mock their equally attractive (to their "chagrin") faces, all the better. Have the faces be offended by the mocking and challenge the wallowers to a more traditional match in response, you have gold. Assuming everybody's performed their role properly of course.

You're talking to me about a balanced show? You're preaching to the choir. I'm the guy who was accused of being of a workrate junkie in 2000 but yet marked hard for Ernest Miller. I'm the guy who's always defended That 70's Guy gimmick of Mike Awesome's because he played it like he lived it. I'm the guy who's always grumbled on here about things that kept me FROM absorbing myself in the story world and believing in the balance of the illusion. Chill out. Relax. Understand this isn't a zero/sum game that I'm preaching here. I'm not looking for every show every company puts on be be puro/ROH serious. All I'm looking for is for every company's best reasons for me to keep watching them.

lazorbeak

12-12-2009, 07:01 PM

Cappy seriously, lighten up. Nobody is making "accusations" towards you. (And why did you spell condescending incorrectly and add a [sic]? Generally you should only use those if you are quoting something or using archaic language.) I appreciate the image that somehow someone's suggesting you 'bow to the altar' of 1970's and 80's style 'wrasslin,' but again, nobody is actually doing that.

Also I guess I could understand your point about bikini contests or whatever being same old, same old if they took place every week, or if they were anything other than a rarely used novelty. I have to admit I don't love segments that go nowhere, but the fact is sometimes they're necessary; wrestling is a variety show and that means sometimes you get comedy segments or "sex sells" segments that don't directly lead into a PPV match. At least this stuff has some on-screen explanation. But your earlier point that you can see the same sort of stuff anywhere seems to deliberately ignore tristram's point: wrestling does a 2nd rate job of lots of things.

Also no one is attacking your moral standards or calling you a prude.

cappyboy

12-12-2009, 10:13 PM

Cappy seriously, lighten up. Nobody is making "accusations" towards you.

I don't know, man. He was suggesting I didn't get one of the division's key gimmicks, felt he had to explain the place of bikini contests in wrestling and was under-estimating an era I'll admit I can be a little HYPER-protective of sometimes. And it was all seemingly coming of nowhere. If he'll chill a little and show a little more tact, I shouldn't have a problem lightening up.

(And why did you spell condescending incorrectly and add a [sic]? Generally you should only use those if you are quoting something or using archaic language.) I appreciate the image that somehow someone's suggesting you 'bow to the altar' of 1970's and 80's style 'wrasslin,' but again, nobody is actually doing that.

I guess we were taught [sic] differently then. When I learned it, it was essentially mistake insurance. Sort of "I know I'm spelling this wrong. But I can't remember the right spelling and am not comfortable disrupting my flow to find it."

Also I guess I could understand your point about bikini contests or whatever being same old, same old if they took place every week, or if they were anything other than a rarely used novelty. I have to admit I don't love segments that go nowhere, but the fact is sometimes they're necessary; wrestling is a variety show and that means sometimes you get comedy segments or "sex sells" segments that don't directly lead into a PPV match. At least this stuff has some on-screen explanation. But your earlier point that you can see the same sort of stuff anywhere seems to deliberately ignore tristram's point: wrestling does a 2nd rate job of lots of things.

Fair enough I guess. At least they are as frustratingly common as they were ten years ago.

But you know, if I may try to make his case for him and do it better, what he was saying should really boil down to two points.

1) it isn't all about me.

I'll admit I can tunnel vision into my own entertainment sometimes because it's what I can attest to best and it's what's most likely to be determine whether my screen's staying on it or not.

2) For that teenage target audience he was citing, it is something new and different. If they have any kind of involved parents, they probably aren't allowed to watch most shows that would have highly sexualized content. Er go the bikini contest on the wrestling show is rather an end around to that. And of course, they aren't allowed in the Boom Boom Rooms and Galleries of Girls I as a long time adult can visit to see that stuff. So while I may have the options, they don't and I should have considered that.

Those approaches, the second one especially, would have kept me much more on his side than presuming he had to explain the realities of programming to me.

Also no one is attacking your moral standards or calling you a prude.

Well just as you were saying I seemed to be deliberately ignoring his point about wrestling being master of none, he seemed to be deliberately ignoring the part where I said where I can forgive racy segments I can see elsewhere if they serve a greater storyline purpose. So what was I supposed to think?

I understand you're talking to talk me down because you feel I'm over-reacting. But the way I see it, he was over-reacting in his own right. He was jumping to conclusions that weren't there. And whether he meant to or not, he came off as incredibly condescending and arrogant in expressing the gulf of understanding he perceived. Perceived or actual, I've never suffered arrogance that well.

But, Lazorbeak, to end things on a light note if I may. How many times is it now that you've posted to try and talk me down after I've over-reacted to another guy's over-reaction? I see a pattern starting to develop here in that regard. :)

PhenomenalPat

12-12-2009, 10:50 PM

As long as the show was entertaining then it was worth my time IMO.

Agreed! Honestly I hated this episode at first...then I watched it a second time, through my IWC "armchair" booker mentality aside, and enjoyed it for what it was. I honestly wouldn't want Impact! to be like this past episode every week, but an occasional goofy/fun episode like this is ok...maybe even good to have. I just still wished Styles and Wolfe got 10-15 minutes instead of 5, but the mud wrestling match was tremendous! If they started using Tara or Alissa Flash in matches like that it would disappoint me. Simply because they are so talented in the ring, wrestling in wrestling matches. But the Beautiful People are perfect in sex appeal and eye candy type matches...not only from a viewing standpoint (in that they are very enjoyable to look at) but also from a gimmick standpoint. I does fit the gimmick.

tristram

12-12-2009, 11:20 PM

Hoo boy where to begin with this. Do I get on you for condesending (sic) to me about The Beautiful People? Do I start with pointing out that by using DX as your parallel you're trying to defend you point with a group that annoyed me even more? Or merely mention that I've never watched anything that was shown on HBO and that I have to take your word on that part.

I think I'll go with the accusation of missing the point of The Beautiful People. When did I ever say I didn't like the gimmick in general? Quite the opposite. I doubt I'd like the Knockout division anywhere near as much if there weren't any Beautiful People to represent what all the more competitively minded ladies find wrong with the wrestling scene. They are much needed counter-balance characters to keep people wanting the stories grounded in the ring.

And it's never been quite what you describe in my lifetime. In the 60's and 70's sure. But in the 80's (the era my memory actually starts at) that recipe you're assuming I bow down at the altar of was crumbling. Sure you still had the jobber squashes until the Monday Night Wars started. But all that slow paced stuff is bunk. Anyone who paints the 80's as slow-paced as prior decades conveniently glosses over The Rock & Roll Express. And The Fantastics. Michaels and Jannetty as the MIDNGHT Rockers and so many other speedballs I could never properly credit them all. Sure you had the hosses and some technicians at the top. But to act like that's all there was is like dismissing the international midcard of WCW in the mid 90's or the X division in TNA because they weren't/aren't going for marquee belts either.

And that's always been the case. If you think I have an issue with that, you're just hearing the typical IWC blinders and not hearing what I'm saying. I have NO PROBLEM with bikini contests and the like AS LONG as they mean something. I know the main reason is to appeal to the teenage male market you think you're trying to educate me to. But like I said, if that's all it does, then it becomes the same old, same old you're talking about. Something that's gettable darn near anywhere.

You seem to think I'm responding like some prude who thinks the mud wrestling has no place on TV. Far from it. I'm more than willing to go along as long as there's an entertaining payoff. But if I can get the same bikini contest at the club across town, why should I stay home and watch wrestling chicks do it? Now if that same mud wrestling match can tittilate the teen boys AND give the wallowers a chance to mock their equally attractive (to their "chagrin") faces, all the better. Have the faces be offended by the mocking and challenge the wallowers to a more traditional match in response, you have gold. Assuming everybody's performed their role properly of course.

You're talking to me about a balanced show? You're preaching to the choir. I'm the guy who was accused of being of a workrate junkie in 2000 but yet marked hard for Ernest Miller. I'm the guy who's always defended That 70's Guy gimmick of Mike Awesome's because he played it like he lived it. I'm the guy who's always grumbled on here about things that kept me FROM absorbing myself in the story world and believing in the balance of the illusion. Chill out. Relax. Understand this isn't a zero/sum game that I'm preaching here. I'm not looking for every show every company puts on be be puro/ROH serious. All I'm looking for is for every company's best reasons for me to keep watching them.

lol - dude, seriously. You said it all yourself in those words I just bolded. You have entirely read way too much into it than you ought to have, if I'm not mistaken, this is a TNA discussion, not a pick a forum poster's opinion apart. And that's what I thought was going on, a basic discussion. In respect to "You're preaching to the choir. I'm the guy who was accused of being of a workrate junkie in 2000 but yet marked hard for Ernest Miller. I'm the guy who's always defended That 70's Guy gimmick of Mike Awesome's because he played it like he lived it.", no disrespect intended, that's nice and all, but I really don't try to, nor do I really care to, try and make a grasp as to what your take on things are. Nor do I intend to preach to you. Again, I, like the other posters, am merely remarking on TNA.

Did I accuse you of being a workrate mark somewhere? Did I accuse you of criticising Mike Awesome somewhere? I was merely replying to your post on TNA, trying to highlight why those segments are there. Again, teenage male audience=lucrative market, and the mere fascination with beautiful women sells products including PPVs.

Fair enough I guess. At least they are as frustratingly common as they were ten years ago.

But you know, if I may try to make his case for him and do it better, what he was saying should really boil down to two points.

1) it isn't all about me.

I'll admit I can tunnel vision into my own entertainment sometimes because it's what I can attest to best and it's what's most likely to be determine whether my screen's staying on it or not.

2) For that teenage target audience he was citing, it is something new and different. If they have any kind of involved parents, they probably aren't allowed to watch most shows that would have highly sexualized content. Er go the bikini contest on the wrestling show is rather an end around to that. And of course, they aren't allowed in the Boom Boom Rooms and Galleries of Girls I as a long time adult can visit to see that stuff. So while I may have the options, they don't and I should have considered that.

Those approaches, the second one especially, would have kept me much more on his side than presuming he had to explain the realities of programming to me.

You're trying to make my own case better lol. Thanks, I appreciate it. So you can see my point, but have taken it, somehow, personally? I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree - you are wanting to misread something that is clearly not intended, so lets let the other folks talk TNA as they, and I, had intended.

Condors

12-12-2009, 11:35 PM

I enjoy more pure feds but i like entertainment also. The trouble is i don't tune into TNA for tna. There are better mediums for that. I am also on the wrong side of 40 and maybe I see the show through a parents eyes. Getting the kids watching espcially with Hulk coming could mean long term loyal fans.
Mick Foley writes kids books. I loved the orginal ECW (even when it was eastern championship wrestling). I knew what i was getting into when i went to a show. I think TNA needs to focus on what they want. I hear them say we have the best wrestling/wrestlers in the world. They usually have some good matches and sometimes a good storyline which is great. Before i really only had issues with ODB (again not myself as a parent) but if this is their new direction then I think they are missing a chance to bring in young loyal fans that could get with the underdog. Increasing their fan base should be their #1 goal and if they think they can outdo WWE by being WWE lite well they will come up short imho. If they really want to be #1 they need to play on being different - better wrestling , family friendly could be one way to go.

Tag01

12-12-2009, 11:42 PM

This argument is awesome. One of you guys will certainly win the internet. :)

lazorbeak

12-13-2009, 12:05 AM

I guess we were taught [sic] differently then. When I learned it, it was essentially mistake insurance. Sort of "I know I'm spelling this wrong. But I can't remember the right spelling and am not comfortable disrupting my flow to find it."

If that's what you were taught, I don't know what to tell you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic.

In case you don't believe wiki, the Columbia guide to American English says: "Americans pronounce this Latin word meaning 'thus' ... to disassociate themselves from errors in a text they're quoting." Still better than your Spanish. ;)

But, Lazorbeak, to end things on a light note if I may. How many times is it now that you've posted to try and talk me down after I've over-reacted to another guy's over-reaction? I see a pattern starting to develop here in that regard. :)

I do what I can. :cool:

BHK1978

12-13-2009, 12:20 AM

How did a talk about the Beautiful People turn into a discussion about languages?:confused:

Wrestling Century

12-13-2009, 12:27 AM

Now, allow me to change the subject. Who else thinks that Chris Daniels deserves a run with the TNA World Title?

tristram

12-13-2009, 12:57 AM

I'm not sure about Daniels. I buy him as a very effective wrestler from top to bottom of the card, but I'm just not sure about the top guy. I can't describe what it is, but I don't know if he quite... has the look? Maybe that's it? I can buy him as a transitional champ, but I don't know if he's... the guy for me. I really think the go-to guy for them is aside from Angle is Samoa Joe, he has "it".

What about the lower midcarders, particularly the MCMG, Consequences Creed and Jay Lethal? To me, I see stars in them. The question is which one is ready to rise, and then how to get them up. For some reason, I love Lethal and Creed. Great talents in my eyes.

Wrestling Century

12-13-2009, 01:16 AM

I can see Lethal becoming a star, but Creed? I really don't see him as a star.

BHK1978

12-13-2009, 01:28 AM

To me Daniels is a great wrestler but like tristram said he just does not have that intangible "it" which would make him a star. He could have a brief run as a transitional world champion but that is about it. Plus, he is old for a wrestler (late 30's-early 40's) and he has never headlined in a major American national promotion to my knowledge (ROH is not a major national promotion).

Zeel1

12-13-2009, 01:40 AM

I can't describe what it is, but I don't know if he quite... has the look?

Personally, I think he should lose the eyeliner..he hasn't incorporated religion or darkness into his gimmick for quite some time, so it seems a little silly to still be using it. It's one of those things where you don't really notice that it's eyeliner, and yet..it still makes them look weird. A bit of a "I can't put my finger on it, but this guy looks a tad off" deal.

cappyboy

12-13-2009, 10:03 AM

If that's what you were taught, I don't know what to tell you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic.

In case you don't believe wiki, the Columbia guide to American English says: "Americans pronounce this Latin word meaning 'thus' ... to disassociate themselves from errors in a text they're quoting." Still better than your Spanish. ;)

Yeah well, remember I'm in my late thirties. When I would have learned [sic] was before students were using spell check on a regular basis. That's probably when the powers that be switched it to the current context.

And now BHK, back, to complete a more direct tangent. :)

lol - dude, seriously. You said it all yourself in those words I just bolded. You have entirely read way too much into it than you ought to have, if I'm not mistaken, this is a TNA discussion, not a pick a forum poster's opinion apart. And that's what I thought was going on, a basic discussion. In respect to "You're preaching to the choir. I'm the guy who was accused of being of a workrate junkie in 2000 but yet marked hard for Ernest Miller. I'm the guy who's always defended That 70's Guy gimmick of Mike Awesome's because he played it like he lived it.", no disrespect intended, that's nice and all, but I really don't try to, nor do I really care to, try and make a grasp as to what your take on things are. Nor do I intend to preach to you. Again, I, like the other posters, am merely remarking on TNA.

Okay, dude. Let's try this. I could melt down again over the still somewhat snide appearance of your opening and foam at the mouth more. But that would only extend things. And that's not what anybody needs.

But could you please try chilling out as I defined it? Could you work on self-editing a little for me please? I was just conceding to Lazorbeak last night that you might not have been TRYING to condescend to me and insult my intelligence or the era of my youth. Problem with that is you said it in dead text. Dead text alone can't always convey things lie tone and spirit of the message properly. Read at a distance, the tone that came through on the screen contradicted what you apparently intended. Some better word choice, a little tact on your end would have saved this detour. We've both shown how easy it is to go off half-caulked online. Sometimes even without first even meaning to.

You're trying to make my own case better lol. Thanks, I appreciate it. So you can see my point, but have taken it, somehow, personally? I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree - you are wanting to misread something that is clearly not intended, so lets let the other folks talk TNA as they, and I, had intended.

Not a problem, man. Glad I could help even in the midst of melting down. I gotta be honest there. That's a pretty hard trick to pull off. :)

But yeah, once I cut through all the muddied water, I can see what you're saying. And I don't think it's a matter of having to agree to disagree as much as you're implying. That Ernest Miller and Mike Awesome stuff. All that was saying is "Okay. Thrill the teen boys all you want. But could I have a little something to hold onto while you do please?" That's what I was saying in the original post you appeared to object to. I was asking for the balance you seemed to think I was railing against.

And you know, now that I think about it, there's an even better extension of your point than the one I made last night. Although I stand by it. The Beautiful People's relationship with Slick Johnson anybody? That mud wrestling bit didn't exactly happen in a vaccuum. It could be pointed to as expansion on the character development with Slick. Which in turn could serve as that something for me and the like minded to hold onto

Anywho, I was boiling over because you seemed to be telling me what I thought, why it was wrong and trying to disabuse me of it. All in error. I don't let ANYBODY get away with that without having to re-solidify me. Probably 90% of the rare blowups I've had with my mom have been over that. That to me is the height of arrogance. And like I said last night, I don't suffer even the perception of arrogance well. Just work on that self-editing for me and that should be all the help I need not over-estimating your ego and repeating this performance.

:: prays to God the next time he feels compelled to respond here isn't related to booking theory ::

Wrestling Century

12-13-2009, 10:12 AM

Personally, I think he should lose the eyeliner..he hasn't incorporated religion or darkness into his gimmick for quite some time, so it seems a little silly to still be using it. It's one of those things where you don't really notice that it's eyeliner, and yet..it still makes them look weird. A bit of a "I can't put my finger on it, but this guy looks a tad off" deal.

Wait a minute, what is Daniels's gimmick right now?

Adam Ryland

12-13-2009, 10:20 AM

Yeah well, remember I'm in my late thirties. When I would have learned [sic] was before students were using spell check on a regular basis. That's probably when the powers that be switched it to the current context.

I hate to continue a tangent, but I have to reply to the above as I found it pretty infuriating as a former editor - there's been no switching of context, whoever taught you your definition of sic is simply flat-out incorrect. It means one thing, and always has. Latin terms don't tend to suddenly get new meanings.

Zeel1

12-13-2009, 01:03 PM

Wait a minute, what is Daniels's gimmick right now?

Well, at the moment, he's kinda doing what Chris Harris was doing before he left, complaining about being held down and not being given as many oppurtunities as Styles. In his first few months back, he didn't exactly have a gimmick, he acted like a regular dude. Honestly, Daniels hasn't done his "Evil Preacher" shtick that he was apparantly doing in the EWR days, since I've started watching. (in 2006)

Wrestling Century

12-13-2009, 02:39 PM

Well, at the moment, he's kinda doing what Chris Harris was doing before he left, complaining about being held down and not being given as many oppurtunities as Styles. In his first few months back, he didn't exactly have a gimmick, he acted like a regular dude. Honestly, Daniels hasn't done his "Evil Preacher" shtick that he was apparantly doing in the EWR days, since I've started watching. (in 2006)

Heck, I started watching towards the end of 2004 and Daniels didn't have the evil preacher gimmick that he's supposedly famous for doing.

lovestruck420

12-13-2009, 02:45 PM

He kinda had that gimmick in 2003 to 2005 but it lessened through those yrs drastically.

lazorbeak

12-13-2009, 03:04 PM

I think his awful feud with Sting was the last time he went for the whole 'gothic heel' gimmick, but that was in 2007 I think. The original evil preacher gimmick was very early ROH, as I recall. In TNA his gimmick was mostly "****y guy who is a good wrestler" while he palled around with Low Ki and Skipper or feuded for the X-division title.

BHK1978

12-13-2009, 03:19 PM

Wait a minute, what is Daniels's gimmick right now?

He is a dude that wears really bad shirts, weird looking vests, and complains a lot.:D

masterded

12-13-2009, 03:29 PM

Daniels should be nowhere near the Main Event. He should be that guy you send out at to start the show with a fast pace x-division match with someone like Lethal to make the crowd hot. He lacks the personality or even the freak factor needed to be a Main Eventer. I just don’t see people paying for a PPV to see him in Title Match (or at least not as many that would for at least 10 others in TNA).

Hyde Hill

12-14-2009, 04:12 PM

Meh I like Daniels and for me he does potentially have the "it" factor but they need to play it out more not going full ROH evil preacher but a bit edgier darker and meaner Daniels could work. And yeah this show was more an "entertainment" show then a "wrestling" show but given that the turkey tournament dominated the last one it was a kinda good off set. Plus generally the ppv's and house shows really deliver in the wrestling aspect. And that is what TNA is using the tv for mainly to promote those and their talent. I still think they should go from 5 to ten for the lesser matches and 10 to 15 for the ME as that would give the perfect balance but hey so far I have been entertained and nothing overly ridiculous is happening or being booked. Just watch a show of two years ago or even one year ago and the quality has certainly improved imho.

As far as going family friendly with Hogan coming in etc I wouldn't do that I would go more toned down "attitude era" (blood, cursing, innuendo, darker storylines.) so to speak as to not be too offensive but more gritty then the E. Other way around it is what I proposed in my soon to restart (, dam Dragon Age,) TNA diary is to make the now defunct Saturday morning replay a edited PG version of a live Thursday Impact and have a choice to order the PPV PG or normal when not watching it live. You can either shorten the time of the show or throw in some stuff they tape for the net anyways or more highlight stuff and stuff like those Q and A's they ran with talent.

ECW 2.0

12-14-2009, 04:55 PM

Hulk Hogan tells the UK Sun that he really pissed off WWE CEO Vince McMahon when he held his TNA press conference at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

"I don't think he's too happy. Knowing Vince the way I do and holding the press conference at Madison Square Garden...I know some people in house at the WWE and I know he didn't respond favourably. There's been nobody in the Garden for about 100 years really except Vince, his dad, his grandfather and his great grandfather promoting events and I kind of slipped in there and made the press conference for TNA. Then the other night I announced we're going head to head with WWE on Monday nights."

Hogan also hyped TNA's live 3-hour Monday Night iMPACT! special January 4th, which he says could re-ignite the Monday Night Wars and begin a new era in the pro wrestling industry. "I can't imagine what's going to happen when the Monday night wars start again but it's great because it gives the fans a choice and the talent room to negotiate and have somewhere else to go."

MattitudeV2

12-17-2009, 01:48 PM

Christy Hemme has offically retired from in-ring competition. She said this on her podcast last night. So the wrestling world just keeps on spinning.

Wrestling Century

12-17-2009, 04:34 PM

Christy Hemme has offically retired from in-ring competition. She said this on her podcast last night. So the wrestling world just keeps on spinning.

Oh well. I thought that she had a lot of potential when she first started in the WWE, but she never got any better IMO.

lazorbeak

12-17-2009, 04:49 PM

Oh well. I thought that she had a lot of potential when she first started in the WWE, but she never got any better IMO.

Actually I'd argue she had improved significantly during her time in TNA and the indies, but she still wasn't exactly going to get a push ahead of the rest of the Knockouts. Also considering this is presumably related to her knee injury, if she stays in the business for awhile I wouldn't be surprised if she came back. Remember how long LuFisto stayed retired? Not saying it's the same situation, but it wouldn't surprise me to see her come back to the ring considering her age.

Hyde Hill

12-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Plus Lauren is a better backstage interviewer imho and Borash has grown on me so what are they gonna do with her? Replace Val or Manage or fire?

BHK1978

12-17-2009, 10:42 PM

cappyboy

12-17-2009, 10:59 PM

I thought that tonight's Impact was really good. I would have liked the six women tag match to go longer, just because the match to me was really good even though it was very short.

Looking at the people who are in the Feast or Fired match, I think Cody Deaner should be the one who gets fired. Christopher Daniels has to be happy that he is not in the match, because he can't be "fired" for the third year in a row.

I really have to disagree as far as firing Deaner goes. My feeling is it should be either Bashir or Kiyoshi. Neither one of those guys has been able to bring anything to World Elite since the group started. Deaner has much more potential to be useful. Why they haven't put him in a young dog/old dog team with Jethro Holiday yet is beyond me. Deaner has the personality to make Holiday interesting in the SE sense and Holiday could help Deaner brush up his ring skills. But Bashir's been garbage ever since the beef with Shane Sewell ended and Kiyoshi's totally wasted. Fire one of them and give the rest of World Elite a rallying point. Would make the coming clash between Beer Money and the British Invasion all the more heated and compelling if the Brits had something in their craw as well

Tag01

12-18-2009, 12:06 AM

I agree, I think Deaner is a goner. But Kiyoshi would make the most sense; Bashir hasn't been worth much lately but I always liked him. So with Hemme taking over some of the interviewing, did that bit with Lauren walking out pissed mean she's off TV? Because she's smoking hot, and that would be a shame.

BHK1978

12-18-2009, 02:39 AM

I really have to disagree as far as firing Deaner goes. My feeling is it should be either Bashir or Kiyoshi. Neither one of those guys has been able to bring anything to World Elite since the group started. Deaner has much more potential to be useful. Why they haven't put him in a young dog/old dog team with Jethro Holiday yet is beyond me. Deaner has the personality to make Holiday interesting in the SE sense and Holiday could help Deaner brush up his ring skills. But Bashir's been garbage ever since the beef with Shane Sewell ended and Kiyoshi's totally wasted. Fire one of them and give the rest of World Elite a rallying point. Would make the coming clash between Beer Money and the British Invasion all the more heated and compelling if the Brits had something in their craw as well

I agree, I think Deaner is a goner. But Kiyoshi would make the most sense; Bashir hasn't been worth much lately but I always liked him. So with Hemme taking over some of the interviewing, did that bit with Lauren walking out pissed mean she's off TV? Because she's smoking hot, and that would be a shame.

Yeah I could see Kiyoshi or Bashir going. And you know what? It really would not be all that big of a loss as neither one of them is really doing anything. In fact the whole World Elite stable is kind of stale to me.

And I sure hope we have not seen the last of Lauren. She is by far the best interview girl that TNA has ever had.

And this has to do with nothing but:

I do have to say that Christy Hemme is looking really good as of late.

Zeel1

12-18-2009, 02:46 AM

Yeah I could see Kiyoshi or Bashir going. And you know what? It really would not be all that big of a loss as neither one of them is really doing anything. In fact the whole World Elite stable is kind of stale to me.

And I sure hope we have not seen the last of Lauren. She is by far the best interview girl that TNA has ever had.

And this has to do with nothing but:

I do have to say that Christy Hemme is looking really good as of late.

Haven't seen much of Kiyoshi, but Bashir/Daivari has always seemed better to me then he's ever credited with. I was glad to see him get an X-Division title reign last year, and then saddened to see his role lightened the way it has. My only issue with the World Elite as a whole, is that there's just so damned many members in it. Young, Bashir, Kiyoshi, Williams, Magnus, Terry, Homicide and now Kevin Nash, apparantly. That many guys just isn't neccessary, and that makes it easy for them to lose their individuality, like so many nWo midcarders did.

I agree with the liking of Lauren. Maybe it's just because she sells abuse very well, which I find to be a great trait with interviewers. She shows a lot more personality, and seems far less stiff then most female interviewers.

BHK1978

12-18-2009, 03:00 AM

Haven't seen much of Kiyoshi, but Bashir/Daivari has always seemed better to me then he's ever credited with. I was glad to see him get an X-Division title reign last year, and then saddened to see his role lightened the way it has. My only issue with the World Elite as a whole, is that there's just so damned many members in it. Young, Bashir, Kiyoshi, Williams, Magnus, Terry, Homicide and now Kevin Nash, apparantly. That many guys just isn't neccessary, and that makes it easy for them to lose their individuality, like so many nWo midcarders did.

I agree with the liking of Lauren. Maybe it's just because she sells abuse very well, which I find to be a great trait with interviewers. She shows a lot more personality, and seems far less stiff then most female interviewers.

Yeah there are way to many people in that group. And I love how they are supposed to all be non-Americans yet Homicide is announced as being from NYC and if Kevin Nash is in it well he is an American as well.

Yes I agree that Bashir is a lot better then people give him credit for. I just think that TNA and WWF are both guilty of not knowning what the heck to do with him.

Yeah the other women interviews in TNA like Crystal, Leticia, Goldylocks were all good looking but their skills and reactions as interviewers was really lacking. Whereas, like you said, Lauren just seems to be better.

Zeel1

12-18-2009, 03:05 AM

Yeah there are way to many people in that group. And I love how they are supposed to all be non-Americans yet Homicide is announced as being from NYC and if Kevin Nash is in it well he is an American as well.

Yes I agree that Bashir is a lot better then people give him credit for. I just think that TNA and WWF are both guilty of not knowning what the heck to do with him.

Yeah the other women interviews in TNA like Crystal, Leticia, Goldylocks were all good looking but their skills and reactions as interviewers was really lacking. Where as like you said, Lauren just seems to be better.

Well, I could see WWE not having much for him, he's one of the skinnier dudes out there, and with no Cruiserweight division, his role as a manager was probably the best thing they could've done for him. But they had to phaze out managers as well..TNA, however, has less excuses.

I agree with you on World Elite's additions being contridictions, but frankly, when World Elite first came up, I kinda hoped it wouldn't just end up being yet another anti-America team. World Elite, to me, signified them as being the best represenators of all countries, which would've atleast been a little more unique. So I was a bit dissapointed when they ended up just going "ohay, America sux, kaithxbai".

alden

12-18-2009, 06:55 AM

the daniles wolf match was great....That is one of the better matches they have had on impact in a long time....the time limit draw killed it a little bit but i would have hated to see one of the two loose so i guess that is better then a double dq or a double pin or something stupid like that. That submission holds were insane looking.

MrCanada

12-18-2009, 07:03 AM

The sad part about Cody Deaner is he's actually a really good wrestler. (he's another guy from the Shelley/Sabin/Williams/Roode/Young batch). I've had the joy of seeing him for years up here in Ontario and he's had 20-45 minute classics with some of the above named as well with Derek Wylde, Shawn Spears, & Jake O'Relly. In fact him vs. Shawn Spears in a 20 minute match in Niagara may be the best match I've ever seen live (sans Hogan-Rock WM18).

I wished that TNA would of used him right as he would of been a perfect breath of fresh air into the x-division that I think TNA needs. He already has chemistry with most of their X-Division guys anyway (see the above) and has typically been considered the best wrestler to come out of Ontario. (yes, I realize though that Bobby Roode & Shawn Spears have the best sports entertainment upside)

Hyde Hill

12-18-2009, 08:22 AM

Plus Nash seems to be high on him and probably D'Amore is as well given his Canadian connection. Still getting the fired briefcase wouldn't mean he would be gone just repackaged which would not hurt in Deaner's case seeing as Jethro is gone now making that a non option. As far as the WE go I think Terry will be gone soon as they are sowing dissension Kiyoyshi should stay seeing as he is the only Japanese dude and Bashir is using that sick finisher now and has had a decent run before joining WE so he should stay. I would say Nash should try to screw them back though giving them a leaner and meaner stable.

BTW Terry is not all bad in the ring his webmatch against Kip was quite serviceable for a "big man" contest. He could then become backup for Wolfe or feud on his own for a while or get released. Anyone else reminded of A-1 when looking at him?

Other possibilities is Roode winning the case, Storm distancing himself worried it will be the fired one. Turns out its a world championship single and/or tag shot. Storm and Roode are pissed at each other. Return of Harris and AMW which has been semi teased!

Other nice swerve would be to have Nash get the fired briefcase but get reinstated by Hogan if they want to go the heel route with Hogan.

Tag01

12-18-2009, 08:30 AM

What is the point of this Black Machismo Invitational? I think the guy has huge potential, I really enjoy his matches. So why have him squashed over and over by hasbeens? Where is this going?

masterded

12-18-2009, 08:38 AM

What is the point of this Black Machismo Invitational? I think the guy has huge potential, I really enjoy his matches. So why have him squashed over and over by hasbeens? Where is this going?

I have no idea. I can only hope that it is intended to lead to the end of Black Machismo character. Sure I liked it at first, but it has went on way too long (the character not the Invitational).

Self

12-18-2009, 08:39 AM

Other nice swerve would be to have Nash get the fired briefcase but get reinstated by Hogan if they want to go the heel route with Hogan.

I'd suggest that this would kill the stipulation, but after the Daniels/Loki thing year 1 and the Daniels/Curry Man thing year 2, I'd be shocked if it isn't dead already.

Watched a Hamada vs Sarita match earlier. Too short, but good stuff. Something about Sarita is just... There's a slight awkwardness to it that I'm digging. Not her ring work, but her entrance and her posing seem just that little bit forced... and I'm utterly charmed by that.

masterded

12-18-2009, 08:44 AM

I'd suggest that this would kill the stipulation, but after the Daniels/Loki thing year 1 and the Daniels/Curry Man thing year 2, I'd be shocked if it isn't dead already.

It being a poll match kills it. Along with having to wait till Impact or multiple Impacts to find out who got what also kills it. You don't use PPV to make people watch the TV show (odds are if they pay for the PPV they already watch the show), you use the show to sell the PPV.

Tag01

12-18-2009, 10:20 AM

I've never seen one of these Feast matches. So they get the briefcases, but then don't open them until down the road? Yeesh.

Hyde Hill

12-18-2009, 01:48 PM

First time it was spread out over Impacts, second time one opened at the ppv the others at the next Impact this time we shall see.

haloed

12-18-2009, 02:43 PM

I may be one of the few, but I would hate to see Kiyoshi get the fired case. I know he's being wasted right now, but I would love to see them do something with him. Maybe push the Muta angle that they had first used when he showed up would be nice. I mean in the least he brings variety to the roster but of course I liked No Limit as well.

Hyde Hill

12-18-2009, 06:33 PM

Still not to knock Kiyoshi but there is better Japanese talent around isn't there who could take his role?

Bigpapa42

12-18-2009, 06:37 PM

Maybe I'm just not a fan of work-shoot angles, but the stuff about the issues between Jarrett and Angle last night on Impact didn't make for particularly comfortable viewing for me. It felt similar to the "you're with me or against me" speech Dixie Carter gave to the roster a few weeks back - it just like dirty laundry being aired and something that fans shouldn't really be seeing.

haloed

12-18-2009, 06:41 PM

Still not to knock Kiyoshi but there is better Japanese talent around isn't there who could take his role?

I'm sure there is but why not take advantage of the fact that they already have him in TNA? To be honest I don't know too many Japanese wrestlers unless they've been shown in TNA or were in WCW or WWE. Of the few I've seen though, I'm a fan. I love the style they wrestle with and I liked the Global Impact they had with TNA against (was it New Japan?) unfortunately I was unable to watch the entire thing but I liked what I saw.

I guess wanting to see Kiyoshi do something in TNA was the ties they gave him to the Great Muta. One of my fondest wrestling memories was Sting against the Great Muta. I don't remember a ton from than but it had me hooked all those years ago.

ECW 2.0

12-18-2009, 08:19 PM

Hyde Hill

12-18-2009, 10:14 PM

Yeah I liked the stuff with Jarret and Foley and Angle, Dixie not so much though and overall thought it was a very strong show. Good angles, good matches in the time given and good build for the ppv only gripe was the Main Event going cluster pretty quick and short because of that.

PS it seems that Lauren is gone from TNA and will be focusing on her golf channel stuff, she will be missed as I liked her BP and Abyss interactions. At least Christy is a decent replacement and Lauren got the last laugh by b*slapping Lacey von Erich.

Edit: And of course Roxxi is back for good now and looking good imho, glad she is back.

BHK1978

12-19-2009, 01:47 AM

cappyboy

12-19-2009, 09:42 AM

PS it seems that Lauren is gone from TNA and will be focusing on her golf channel stuff, she will be missed as I liked her BP and Abyss interactions. At least Christy is a decent replacement and Lauren got the last laugh by b*slapping Lacey von Erich.

Edit: And of course Roxxi is back for good now and looking good imho, glad she is back.

Count another who's disappointed that Lauren's gone. She's probably the best female interviewer I've seen since the days of Bonnie Blackstone. Christy may have played a wannabe rock star in the Rock & Rave Infection. But she's having to follow a woman who was one. At least in the modern figurative sense. Other posters have mentioned her selling of abuse. But the heels didn't even have to get personal with her. Her frustration with their whole attitude was well played. And her kinship of spirit with the face Knockouts felt very warm and genuine. She just exuded credibility and made the company's story world so much easier to embrace. Christy's a cutie and it should help her transition that she's been with TNA for a good long while. But it will be ages if ever before she's of Lauren's caliber.

As for Roxxi, I'm of two minds here. From a gimmick perspective, I too am glad to see her back. She should be able to have a really emotional rivalry with ODB since the drunken one is turning heel. And I can't wait to see her come across the The Beautiful People and see her in character reaction to Angelina being gone. Lacey determining to show Roxxi she can be just as mean as Angelina could be some good material as well.

But her new look just doesn't work for me. It's not that she isn't attractive or anything. In fact, I found Roxxi to be the sexiest she's ever been in TNA. But it just isn't her. She's the Hardcore Knockout and she looks a little too girly for a blood and guts bruiser. What it could do though is be the perfect set up for the return encounter with the Beautiful People and to spark Lacey's feeling underestimated by Roxxi. TBP could suggest Roxxi has lost her edge and is having an identity crisis because she's cleaned up like this. Sort of the flip side of ODB's beef with Tara if you will.

jwt13

12-19-2009, 12:30 PM

Nick and Matt Jackson, known as The Young Bucks, who have been working ROH, PWG and Dragon Gate USA will be getting a TNA tryout at the Monday TNA tapings.
This is from Ewrestlingnews

I've seen these guys wrestle and their pretty good they have a fast paced MCMG kind of style.

MattitudeV2

12-19-2009, 12:48 PM

This is from Ewrestlingnews

I've seen these guys wrestle and their pretty good they have a fast paced MCMG kind of style.

More of the young Hardy Boys Style or Rockers,Midnight Express kinda way

Bigpapa42

12-19-2009, 01:01 PM

I can see what your saying but I liked that part of IMpact this week, but I've always marked for the worked shoot so...

I don't dislike worked shoots as a whole. It really depends on the exactly context of the situation. Some stuff is personal enough that I just don't think it should be used. It is compelling and interesting? Sure is. But drama doesn't have to be "real" to be compelling.

As far as I'm aware, TNA has never previously acknowledged the specifics of the issues behind Angle and Jarrett. Internet fans, like us, knew. But did the fans who don't go looking for dirt and rumors on the Net? To my mind, that's likely a significant percentage of the viewing fanbase. Which means the use of the real issues was only that compelling to a part of the fanbase. So to my mind, it would have been equally as effective to do a bit of decent writing to create a reason for the tension between Angle and Jarrett.

I guess maybe it can pay off in the long run if they turn Angle-Jarrett into a nasty blood feud, but otherwise, I think it was a waste to air the dirt laundry. It didn't ruin the episode of Impact for me - actually enjoyed it quite a bit this week - but it definitely wasn't an aspect I enjoyed.

Wrestling Century

12-19-2009, 06:06 PM

I think that it would be cool if TNA brought Tajiri in and put him in a team with Kiyoshi. It might just be me, but Kiyoshi seems to have the same style of wrestling as Tajiri.

alden

12-19-2009, 06:31 PM

I think if all people are ok with it a worked shoot is ok.......but this is super personal and i can't see kurt or his kids being ok with it. What could this lead to? a return of karen and battle her ex.......yah that won't be hard on the kids or anything at all.

cappyboy

12-19-2009, 09:22 PM

I think that it would be cool if TNA brought Tajiri in and put him in a team with Kiyoshi. It might just be me, but Kiyoshi seems to have the same style of wrestling as Tajiri.

I don't know. I've never been much of a Tajiri fan. He's always struck me as the heavy lumber kicks, a couple other notable spots and a lot of boring. Then again, as ex-"mutants" are so apt to point out I did only see him in WWE. I could think of worse plans for Kiyoshi. Like the way he's currently being used for example.

I think if all people are ok with it a worked shoot is ok.......but this is super personal and i can't see kurt or his kids being ok with it. What could this lead to? a return of karen and battle her ex.......yah that won't be hard on the kids or anything at all.

I wasn't too big on this as a worked shoot. It felt a little too much like I was sitting in on Jarrett's therapy session. But then I had the same issue with some of the stuff Sting and Nash did about the lack of respect they felt from the young talent. So maybe I'm not the best one to ask about this topic either.

Self

12-20-2009, 05:43 AM

This is from Ewrestlingnews

I've seen these guys wrestle and their pretty good they have a fast paced MCMG kind of style.

I LOVE the Young Bucks. I've been watching ROH on HDNet on occasion, you know, picking and choosing the matches that appeal to me and I'll always watch a Young Bucks match. Their match on the first DG-USA PPV against CIMA and Susumu Yokosuka was also really cool. I was having a stressful day and thought "I'll put on a match from DG-USA, maybe that'll brighten my spirits". When the Bucks came out I popped bigger than I have in years.

Psychologically there are problems, and their selling needs work, but I just find their matches incredibly fun.

justtxyank

12-20-2009, 06:18 AM

I don't know. I've never been much of a Tajiri fan. He's always struck me as the heavy lumber kicks, a couple other notable spots and a lot of boring. Then again, as ex-"mutants" are so apt to point out I did only see him in WWE. I could think of worse plans for Kiyoshi. Like the way he's currently being used for example.

Blasphemy!

Tajiri is a fantastic worker. Don't be fooled by WWETajiri. In fact, don't be fooled by WWEanyone.

BurningHamster

12-20-2009, 06:37 AM

Blasphemy!

Tajiri is a fantastic worker. Don't be fooled by WWETajiri. In fact, don't be fooled by WWEanyone.

Exactly, If you have not seen Tajiri -vs- Psicosis or Super Crazy in ECW then shut yo' mouth! Plus Tajiri's charisma has always been underrated as all hell. Even in WWE I thought he was well above average and had a great match as a last minute replacement for Chavo Guerrero teaming with Eddie against Haas and Benjamin. Anyone who can get a genuinely good match out of those two is indeed a fantastic worker.

Hyde Hill

12-20-2009, 08:16 AM

Now you are underestimating Haas and Benjamin imho. In ring wise at least.

BurningHamster

12-20-2009, 08:25 AM

Now you are underestimating Haas and Benjamin imho. In ring wise at least.

I know a lot of people speak quite highly of them but I was never too into them. I don't think they were bad, just not that interesting and not really my cup of tea.

Comradebot

12-20-2009, 08:57 AM

I know a lot of people speak quite highly of them but I was never too into them. I don't think they were bad, just not that interesting and not really my cup of tea.

I think them (Haas especially) are good examples of, well.. I think Bryan Holmes might be a good C-Verse example: Talented in ring, but their image is nothing special, they rarely should touch a microphone, and they lack flashiness.

Indeed, I'd probably give them average at best ( D, D+) Star Quality if I was a mod maker.

They're unlikely to ever be huge stars, but at the same time they're reliable enough to hold down a solid lower midcard to midcard spot in nearly any company.

cappyboy

12-20-2009, 11:03 AM

Exactly, If you have not seen Tajiri -vs- Psicosis or Super Crazy in ECW then shut yo' mouth!

Then I guess I'm probably a permanent member of the Shut Muh Mouth Club as you propose it. I didn't have enough love for ECW to go looking up matches just to verify statements like this.

Plus I never said he was bad. Just boring. Other than the trademark spots I mentioned, I've seen everything before from other Japanese talent who strike me as more impressive. He's like a wrestling case of Sugarloaf or The Fraze Gang. Don't call us. We'll call you.

Plus Tajiri's charisma has always been underrated as all hell. Even in WWE I thought he was well above average and had a great match as a last minute replacement for Chavo Guerrero teaming with Eddie against Haas and Benjamin. Anyone who can get a genuinely good match out of those two is indeed a fantastic worker.

I'd like to say PUH. And may I add Lease. "Charisma" in wrestling terms tends to be code for showmanship. I usually don't make statements like this in athletic matters because I know better.

BUT

I probably have more showmanship inside me Tajiri does. I'll grant he is very good at being the silent but deadly Japanese Buzzsaw type. But anything calling for more charisma or showmanship than a mime routine? I'm feeling no on that. I'd rather watch Steve Blackman do that stuff than Tajiri and no one's going to accuse him of being a showman or charismatic any time soon.

BHK1978

12-20-2009, 11:35 AM

Spoiler Alert!

Please do not read if you do not want to be spoiled (Just highlight the bottom of the screen and you will see the text):

Well I just read spoilers saying that Cody Deaner will probably be the guy that will be fired tonight as TNA management has nothing for him to do.

alden

12-20-2009, 11:42 AM

masterded

12-20-2009, 11:48 AM

No one has actully ever been fired from the company during this match though right? I mean.......danials lost and came back as curry man.......curry man lost and came back as suicide/danials......who else has lost? There have only been like three of them right?

Yeah and each time someone was about to leave yet didn't get the fire case (though almost every site said they would). Hell Ki feuded with Daniels to get the briefcase at the time when he was leaving and they still choose to give it to Daniels.

BHK1978

12-20-2009, 11:49 AM

Yes nobody ever has lost their job to my knowledge. In fact I am pretty sure that Daniels was the only person to be "fired" twice.

However, if my spoiler is correct, I think that it would make sense that he would lose his job. Because really what has he done since he started with TNA?

masterded

12-20-2009, 11:52 AM

BurningHamster

12-20-2009, 09:58 PM

Then I guess I'm probably a permanent member of the Shut Muh Mouth Club as you propose it. I didn't have enough love for ECW to go looking up matches just to verify statements like this.

Plus I never said he was bad. Just boring. Other than the trademark spots I mentioned, I've seen everything before from other Japanese talent who strike me as more impressive. He's like a wrestling case of Sugarloaf or The Fraze Gang. Don't call us. We'll call you.

I'd like to say PUH. And may I add Lease. "Charisma" in wrestling terms tends to be code for showmanship. I usually don't make statements like this in athletic matters because I know better.

BUT

I probably have more showmanship inside me Tajiri does. I'll grant he is very good at being the silent but deadly Japanese Buzzsaw type. But anything calling for more charisma or showmanship than a mime routine? I'm feeling no on that. I'd rather watch Steve Blackman do that stuff than Tajiri and no one's going to accuse him of being a showman or charismatic any time soon.

Eh, we shall have to agree to disagree on that ... unless of course you happen to have a show reel just waiting to be uploaded to Youtube that you could share with us ;) Tajiri wasn't about big flashy The Rock or Shawn Michaels showmanship, he was more about doing little things that made the sum of his abilities, matches and his opponents all just look that bit better. A facial expression here, his posture, the look in his eyes, his timing with his "mime act".

I personally think that Tajiri had excellent acting skills in the ring, he usually was doing the silent but deadly Japanese thing as you said but think about how few people have successfully done that this side of Great Muta in 1989.

However I remember one match when he had to wrestle Kane and on the way out to the ring the guy was selling his fear and the fact he really didn't want to freakin' wrestle Kane so well. He looks like he was about to poop his pants but had to go through with it because it was his job. Without saying a word he was able to get over his apprehension, self-doubt which then made the underdog -vs- big red machine match come across as a lot more dramatic.

In terms of seeing other Japanese workers do the same things Tajiri did but better well ... yes and no. He isn't really a Japanese style worker in the traditional sense, his background is martial arts, hardcore wrestling and lucha libre yet he used those skills to work the "American perception of how Japanese guys wrestle" style in a more entertainment-based environment as opposed to the real "How Japanese guys actually wrestle" style in a more straight up wrestling environment. And I would say he was probably the best at this style of his generation.

Fact is at the end of the day though we all have our likes and dislikes and some guys just don't appeal to us. To bring this back to TNA (and I guess RoH as well) I personally cannot see the fuss with a guy like Homicide. I don't think he has ever impressed me yet he has been pushed quite a bit.

PhenomenalPat

12-20-2009, 10:05 PM

not gonna post spoilers or anything, but Final Resolution was awesome! Espacially te final two matches. amazing matches!

BHK1978

12-20-2009, 11:15 PM

not gonna post spoilers or anything, but Final Resolution was awesome! Espacially te final two matches. amazing matches!

Yeah and I was way off on the whole fired thing.

That is what I get for relying on the internet so much.

lazorbeak

12-20-2009, 11:38 PM

I think them (Haas especially) are good examples of, well.. I think Bryan Holmes might be a good C-Verse example: Talented in ring, but their image is nothing special, they rarely should touch a microphone, and they lack flashiness.

Indeed, I'd probably give them average at best ( D, D+) Star Quality if I was a mod maker.

They're unlikely to ever be huge stars, but at the same time they're reliable enough to hold down a solid lower midcard to midcard spot in nearly any company.

I think a D+ star quality is probably close to being right on for Haas, but Benjamin is easily around a C+. He's obviously flashier and was from the beginning the one that was seen as the star of the team. I'm not saying he should get a great grade or whatever but as a billion time US/Intercontinental champion WWE obviously sees some star quality in him. I think somewhere between B- and C+ sounds about right.

My comment on cappyboy's admittedly uninformed opinion is that I disagree mightily. Tajiri's WWE run was phenomenal and he brought fantastic TV matches out of everyone from the Hurricane to Jamie Noble to Test to Goldust. I don't think he'd be particularly necessary in TNA, but they have loads of unnecessary talent already so why not?