View Full Version : BBCF / TPF has competition...lol
ortonius
10-25-2005, 10:09 AM
Get this... EA is getting in on the act.
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=31059&category=gamers
Electronic Arts has announced a third game in its NFL lineup, NFL Head Coach (working title). While EA's Madden series offers traditional sim football and NFL Street gives gamers the over-the-top arcade feed, NFL Head Coach will allow gamers to don the headset and take control of every facet of an NFL head coach's job, from drawing up plays to leading their team on Sunday.
While most sports strategy games offer a flat, static interface, NFL Head Coach will offer full 3D graphics. The game will also be available for consoles while most games in the genre are PC exclusives. Developer EA Tiburon is making it a point to provide the game with enough depth for hardcore purists, while maintaining flexibility for newcomers.
NFL Head Coach is scheduled for release on PC, PS2, and Xbox next spring.
jksander
10-25-2005, 10:58 AM
Saw that two weeks ago in my college paper. It's not competition, EA will botch it severely ;)
Mike D
10-25-2005, 11:01 AM
A Joe Stallings production. No thanks.
btmlltt
10-25-2005, 12:10 PM
Where does it mention anything about Joe Stallings... :confused:
Mike D
10-25-2005, 01:47 PM
Where does it mention anything about Joe Stallings... :confused:
It doesn't, but he's one of the producers of the game. At least, I know he works for EA as a Technical Art Group Manager, and I remember SkyDog confirming that he's working with EA on this title over at FOFC.
chammer39
10-25-2005, 04:03 PM
It will be horrible.
Miral
10-25-2005, 09:48 PM
One thing we know it will be full of if its an EA product:
1. Bells
2. Whistles
Game content is secondary.
:D
Doomba
10-25-2005, 09:58 PM
Wow, you're all fanboys. Give it shot. Atleast EA will actually release this game next Spring as advertised.. Bowl Bound might not even be out by then.
IrishHand
10-25-2005, 10:44 PM
Wow, you're all fanboys. Give it shot. Atleast EA will actually release this game next Spring as advertised.. Bowl Bound might not even be out by then.
You're kidding, right? EA can't even make good games in it's core genre - there's a 0% chance of them making a good game in the highly dynamic and subtle world of text-based sport sims.
Every game EA makes does a horrific job of replicating real life...all they are is eye candy. That's fatal for this genre. It's not being a fanboy...it's being realistic.
FOF > TPF >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases (inc their facked-up version of FOF a few years back)
OOTP > BM >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
TPB > FBB >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
BB ~ TCY >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases
Any questions?
btmlltt
10-26-2005, 06:02 AM
For what it's worth, they were aggressively seeking new blood to help with the product.
Bob Hanson
10-26-2005, 10:21 AM
It does not mention if it supports multi-player.
Just guessing but even if it has multi-player, because of the NFL license, it will most likely only allow 32 team NFL leagues. For many people that was a deal breaker with TPF.
Celts-Sonics Fan
10-26-2005, 11:13 AM
You're kidding, right? EA can't even make good games in it's core genre - there's a 0% chance of them making a good game in the highly dynamic and subtle world of text-based sport sims.
Every game EA makes does a horrific job of replicating real life...all they are is eye candy. That's fatal for this genre. It's not being a fanboy...it's being realistic.
FOF > TPF >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases (inc their facked-up version of FOF a few years back)
OOTP > BM >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
TPB > FBB >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
BB < TCY >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases
Any questions?
Fixed that for ya;)
Cooleyvol
10-26-2005, 03:40 PM
I bet EA, at some point, regrets the day that Joe Stallings was acquainted with this game.
Johnny93g
10-26-2005, 05:59 PM
You're kidding, right? EA can't even make good games in it's core genre - there's a 0% chance of them making a good game in the highly dynamic and subtle world of text-based sport sims.
Every game EA makes does a horrific job of replicating real life...all they are is eye candy. That's fatal for this genre. It's not being a fanboy...it's being realistic.
FOF > TPF >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases (inc their facked-up version of FOF a few years back)
OOTP > BM >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
TPB > FBB >>>>> Anything EA sports releases
BB ~ TCY >>>>>> Anything EA sports releases
Any questions?
Ya, i got a question.....who made you god...how do you know what a game little is known about will be like....I for one love the NCAA football series by ea....i get alot of enjoyment playing that....right now, i doubt BBCF, or TCY could be better, at least to me....I also enjoy, i dont know...actually playing games instead of simming them once and a while.....i know EA doesnt make the same type of games as grey dog, but whats wrong with trying.
GeoWar
10-26-2005, 08:26 PM
Johnny93g said
..I for one love the NCAA football series by ea....i get alot of enjoyment playing that....right now, i doubt BBCF, or TCY could be better, at least to me....I also enjoy, i dont know...actually playing games instead of simming them once and a while.....i know EA doesnt make the same type of games as grey dog, but whats wrong with trying.
My son enjoys the NCAA series and is looking forward to the College Baseball game ... but that is completely different than OOTP, FOF, TPF, and the other games in the text sim series of games.. My son does not like OOTP,TPF, TDCB, etc. .... he does not "sim" he plays the game with the "joystick".
Celts-Sonics Fan
10-27-2005, 01:31 PM
Johnny93g said
..I for one love the NCAA football series by ea....i get alot of enjoyment playing that....right now, i doubt BBCF, or TCY could be better, at least to me....I also enjoy, i dont know...actually playing games instead of simming them once and a while.....i know EA doesnt make the same type of games as grey dog, but whats wrong with trying.
My son enjoys the NCAA series and is looking forward to the College Baseball game ... but that is completely different than OOTP, FOF, TPF, and the other games in the text sim series of games.. My son does not like OOTP,TPF, TDCB, etc. .... he does not "sim" he plays the game with the "joystick".
I enjoy the simming aspect more than any joystick playing. When I was much youger, in my 20's I did enjoy the graphics and using the joystick, but I out grew that;)
IrishHand
10-27-2005, 02:47 PM
who made you god
That's a question with no answer - religion is based on faith. :D
how do you know what a game little is known about will be like
Um...how about a complete familiarity with every game in the sport sim field, an understanding of history and an understanding of marketing?
I for one love the NCAA football series by ea
So do I - I spend every Sunday playing NCAA football on the XBox with my infant son while NFL is on in the background. However, NCAA Football is just plain atrocious as a sports sim. It's great fun visually, especially for the diehard college football fan, but the management/recruiting features it has are piss-poor. No matter though - that's not what the game's about, nor does it detract from it's enjoyability...it's just not in the "sports sim" genre...it's in the "sports arcade game" genre like nearly every other EA offering.
right now, i doubt BBCF, or TCY could be better, at least to me
Apples and oranges. You're basically saying you prefer a Porsche 911 to the latest Lexus SUV.
i know EA doesnt make the same type of games as grey dog, but whats wrong with trying.
Nothing - except that they're looking to make a wide-appeal sports sim instead of an accurate and dynamic sports sim.
[Icy]
10-27-2005, 03:02 PM
Wow IrishHand, nice to see you around here again, has been 6 months at least. We miss your awesome TPB rosters. Nice to see you're alive :)
what's interesting is that with each passing version of Madden and NCAAF by EA (I rent them each year), I've noticed more sim elements, some rather shamelessly lifted from FOF, OOTP etc.
so I don't think they're incapable of making a great sim...they just haven't had proper motivation (sales projections) to do as of yet.
they have terrific resources, their biggest problem is that they are always wedded to a release date and so the product quality suffers. they don't have the option of issuing patches or delaying the release as a smaller company does.
I think Irish went awol when he realized LeBron James was a lot better than 3.0 stars, and rasheed wallace wasn't a "cancer" that would ruin the pistons :D
GeoWar
10-27-2005, 05:05 PM
IrishHand - well thought out response.
Johnny93g
10-27-2005, 06:01 PM
That's a question with no answer - religion is based on faith. :D
:p
Um...how about a complete familiarity with every game in the sport sim field, an understanding of history and an understanding of marketing?
not good enough for me....i respect that your opinion is that you dont think it will be good, but i wont be judging it before i can actually understand what the game will be at the very least.
So do I - I spend every Sunday playing NCAA football on the XBox with my infant son while NFL is on in the background. However, NCAA Football is just plain atrocious as a sports sim. It's great fun visually, especially for the diehard college football fan, but the management/recruiting features it has are piss-poor. No matter though - that's not what the game's about, nor does it detract from it's enjoyability...it's just not in the "sports sim" genre...it's in the "sports arcade game" genre like nearly every other EA offering.
no...i dont think NCAA is in the same genre as other sports sims, but i do think its in the same gener as tcy, and BBCF. This genre is the college football genre. Good thing is its entirly possible to own and enjoy both.
Apples and oranges. You're basically saying you prefer a Porsche 911 to the latest Lexus SUV.
good point
Nothing - except that they're looking to make a wide-appeal sports sim instead of an accurate and dynamic sports sim.
It just sounds like your being critical cuz you dont expect the game to be of the same quality as an FOF, or OOTP....Im trying to make the point that the game may very well be enjoyable, which is the most important thing to me. I love realism, but if it's not fun, realism doesnt matter. I tried the TPF demo, wasnt fun, so i didnt care about the realism. I just wont dismiss it as easily as you, thats all
IrishHand
10-27-2005, 06:31 PM
The post was about the EA offering competing with TPF or BBCF - my point was that EA has shown zero interest in competing in the sports sim genre - they compete in the sports arcade game genre. If they do release something envisioned as a sports sim, I would argue (for the reasons listed above) that it'll be crap. :)
IrishHand
10-27-2005, 06:33 PM
:p I think Irish went awol when he realized LeBron James was a lot better than 3.0 stars, and rasheed wallace wasn't a "cancer" that would ruin the pistons :D
Predicting rookie ratings is a nightmare - I've always acknowledged that. When LeBron came in, no rookie high schooler had ever done much of anything - 3.0 stars would have made him the most productive rookie HSer ever (ahead of Kobe and McGrady and KG).
As for Wallace - he is a cancer, but Detroit wins in spite of him. :p
I like EA sports, in fact, my very first game was EA's NBA Live 96. That game made me a sports fan for life. :) Although I am still stuck on NBA Live 2000, since the consoles keep updating themselves.
jksander
10-27-2005, 07:39 PM
I agree with Paul. I mean, yeah EA games are arcade style. But playing Madden helped me get a grasp on how plays are laid out, so I could learn to train my eyes to follow the complexities of football. Before that, my vision was too bad to allow me to appreciate football at all.
Cardinal Rule
10-28-2005, 08:56 AM
The post was about the EA offering competing with TPF or BBCF - my point was that EA has shown zero interest in competing in the sports sim genre - they compete in the sports arcade game genre. If they do release something envisioned as a sports sim, I would argue (for the reasons listed above) that it'll be crap. :)
Until now, that is - with their announcement of NFL Head Coach (http://www.easports.com/article.jsp?dcr=sports&id=nflhc). Not going to comment on whether it'll be crap or not - I'll reserve my judgement until after the game is out.
I think this game will be a big hit... IF... it allows players to combine the strategy elements of FOF with on the field play calling in 3D that actually works. Even if the FOF element is not quite as perfect if they can get the 3D gameday coach action(play calling) down they will have a hit on their hands. I have read quite a few posts calling for a type of game that swings more toward actual coaching than concentration on just GMing and this looks like it will fit that niche. I'm definetly intruiged, and will certainly give it a shot.
Madvillain
10-30-2005, 12:38 PM
Looking at those pictures, it doesn't look like what I was hoping for. I was hoping for something for along the lines of SIgames Football Manager.
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