Cornellverse forced chemisty....

[lavelleuk]

Hey all,

I thought it would be fun to have a thread on which wrestlers we thought would have forced chemistry at the start of the new game, mainly going off profiles. Obviously this isn't a thread telling Adam what he should put in, just which we think he will. Not sure if anyone is interested in that, but I am so I'm hoping someone else will be.

A few examples of my own, I personally would like to see El Leon and El Critico with positive chemistry, as their matches are mentioned in both guys profile. I'm not sure if they will though as it sounds like it was more the angle that was legendary, but I hope they do.

Another would be Zimmy Bumfhole and Bart Biggz, due to the Zimmy Bumfhole profile saying they had a "fantastic ladder match" maybe it's just me but with both guys popularity and Biggz's talent I can't manage to get a fantastic ladder match out of them without at least some positive chemistry. Might not be high profile enough to warrent it though.

I know in someone’s profile it says something like "his matches with X are considered to be the best in CZCW history" so maybe whoever those 2 are might have positive chemistry.

[shamelessposer]

I kind of hope that as a simple kick to the shin from the developer, Wolf Hawkins and Tommy Cornell have negative chemistry.

[Bigpapa42]

I kind of hope that as a simple kick to the shin from the developer, Wolf Hawkins and Tommy Cornell have negative chemistry.

This has happened often enough to me in TCW games that it wouldn't phase me.

I honestly would rather see no forced chemistry in the C-verse.

[Stennick]

I think Adam says there will be nearly zero if not zero forced chemistry in the C Verse's default data. That featured sounded like one to where Adam was strictly listening to the fan base because he personally didn't seem to care for it. So yeah I would be shocked if there was any forced chemistry of any kind in the C Verse.

[foolinc]

The only things I might want to see forced are things like Sam Strong and Rip Chord. However, that's something you'd see for the 1997 mod, not 2010. So I'd still have the default set to none.

[Apupunchau@optonline]

I really hope there is absolutely no forced chemistry in the C-Verse.

[The Celt]

Well for me, I always personally found it really annoying when two guys are described as having a legendary rivalry and then when you put them against each other they have horrible chemistry. So I wouldn't mind there being say 5 or 6 default chemistry notes in the C-Verse if only to allow for some basic history to exist.

[lavelleuk]

Well for me, I always personally found it really annoying when two guys are described as having a legendary rivalry and then when you put them against each other they have horrible chemistry. So I wouldn't mind there being say 5 or 6 default chemistry notes in the C-Verse if only to allow for some basic history to exist.

Yeah that's more what I meant, this thread hasn't been quite as fun as I thought it would be, lol.

[Bigpapa42]

Well for me, I always personally found it really annoying when two guys are described as having a legendary rivalry and then when you put them against each other they have horrible chemistry. So I wouldn't mind there being say 5 or 6 default chemistry notes in the C-Verse if only to allow for some basic history to exist.

How many of those huge rivalries and feuds are between two currently active workers, though? Looking through the top ten matches list on the CV site, none of them have both workers (or all four, for the tag) still working. How many notable feuds are mentioned in the game bios where there is some direct reference to the result being great matches where good chemistry - as described by Adam - would be necessary? Not many, from what I can recall off hand. Cornell-RDJ jumps to mind, but I don't think there's been real reference to the matches being great.

[praguepride]

Not to mention that a feud can still be legendary even if the wrestler's don't click. Especially for sports entertainment feds, you coudl build up all year two wrestlers feuding without actually fighting :D

[Shmoe]

Jim Force with EVERYONE.

[James Casey]

Plague/Acid and Art Reed is the one that jumps out at me, I guess. It's specifically referenced in their bios as the reason they got their big breaks, I think.

[Midnightnick]

Plague/Acid and Art Reed is the one that jumps out at me, I guess. It's specifically referenced in their bios as the reason they got their big breaks, I think.

Yeah, the only one that I think should be in there, if there has to be ANY, would be Acid & Art Reed.

[Bigpapa42]

Yeah, the only one that I think should be in there, if there has to be ANY, would be Acid & Art Reed.

But what quality of matches are we talking about here? If they were A/A* matches, then I would say yes. If they were great by the independent scene standard - maybe B matches - then I would say no. If the measure of having good chemistry is the workers being able to put on matches significantly above what they normally could, I would think Acid and Reed would be easily capable of B- or B matches in a performance-based promotion.

Reading Reed's bio, I don't get the impression that they were all-time classics.

[BuddyGarner]

Narato & Ota
Bryan & Larry Vessey

All the famous Cornellverse tag teams between mismatched partners should have good chemistry.

[Skywalker1976]

I am playing with NOTBPW right now and I think a good example where forced chemistry would make sense is Dan Stone Jr. and Jeremy Stone. Even in the Art Reed interview on the CornellVerse page it states that Jeremy and Dan Jr. have had those brilliant 60 minutes fights back in the days. So I think you can assume that they have at least a neutral chemistry.

In my game Jeremy and Dan Jr. have bad chemistry and I can barely get them to have B in matches...

I think if you have 20-30 forced chemistry amongst workers it only adds up to the feel of the game and the fantastic game world. It would make it even more fun as history will reflect on current decisions.

[Stennick]

Again I don't think people get the point of chemistry. Adam states its not when two workers have good matches with each other. Chemistry is when two workers get together and have better matches together than either of them have apart from one another.

Owen and Bret had some good matches together. But their matches together were no better than the matches they had apart from one another.

[Jaded]

I am playing with NOTBPW right now and I think a good example where forced chemistry would make sense is Dan Stone Jr. and Jeremy Stone. Even in the Art Reed interview on the CornellVerse page it states that Jeremy and Dan Jr. have had those brilliant 60 minutes fights back in the days. So I think you can assume that they have at least a neutral chemistry.


Yeah, but Jeremy and Dan Jr are pretty much the two best workers in North America (Cornell and McFly are both up there with them.)

When you have stats like they do, they don't NEED good chem to put on a great 60 minute fight. The bad chemistry sucks, I guess, but I would imagine that with careful momentum and maybe storylines, you should be able to get them pretty high anyway.

[Antithesis]

Add Rick Law and Rich Money to the list of active wrestlers said to have had a great feud at one time.

[Gnrfan]

If there is any (and i think there should be some) then i'd hope they'd be related to the information from previous games.

If Worker X is referenced as having a good feud or match with Worker Y then i think it should be in there.

[Skywalker1976]

Yeah, but Jeremy and Dan Jr are pretty much the two best workers in North America (Cornell and McFly are both up there with them.)

When you have stats like they do, they don't NEED good chem to put on a great 60 minute fight. The bad chemistry sucks, I guess, but I would imagine that with careful momentum and maybe storylines, you should be able to get them pretty high anyway.

I understand what you are saying but if by accident you have bad chemistry between two workers who were supposed to have one of the greatest feuds and matches of all time it kind of takes away a part of the history element.

But in the end for me it is not a big deal.

[Bigpapa42]

Again I don't think people get the point of chemistry. Adam states its not when two workers have good matches with each other. Chemistry is when two workers get together and have better matches together than either of them have apart from one another.

Owen and Bret had some good matches together. But their matches together were no better than the matches they had apart from one another.

Yes. This. People seem to be forgetting what Adam has stated repeatedly about chemistry. Good chemistry is about two workers having better matches together than their skills would allow you to believe. So just having some really good matches or a great feud (which doesn't need a great match, as someone stated) doesn't necessarily equate to good chemistry.

Yeah, but Jeremy and Dan Jr are pretty much the two best workers in North America (Cornell and McFly are both up there with them.)

When you have stats like they do, they don't NEED good chem to put on a great 60 minute fight. The bad chemistry sucks, I guess, but I would imagine that with careful momentum and maybe storylines, you should be able to get them pretty high anyway.

Yes again. If anything, those two Stone brothers should be set to neutral chemistry. Their skills alone give them ability to have great matches with almost any opponent, so short of bad chemistry, they should be able to put on great matches together just based on their skills.

As for suggestions like experienced tag teams having good chemistry together as partners, that could be true but its going to be useless. Their experience will override the chemistry anyway. It might be helpful on historical C-verse mods, where they haven't yet built that experience together. But not in the current day CV.

Add Rick Law and Rich Money to the list of active wrestlers said to have had a great feud at one time.

As some previously stated, a great feud doesn't mean great matches. It can simply mean they had a great storyline and/or some great promos. Given that both men have pretty good Entertainment skills, that seems very possible.

If there is any (and i think there should be some) then i'd hope they'd be related to the information from previous games.

If Worker X is referenced as having a good feud or match with Worker Y then i think it should be in there.

Again, putting it for any good match or feud mentioned contradicts what Adam himself has said about chemistry.

People have mentioned Rip Chord and Sam Strong as candidates for good chemistry together (though it wouldn't mean much current day). But why? Yes, they had the top match of all time... but if you actually read the C-Verse site write-up about it, the match was "solid, if unspectacular". It wasn't the match itself that made it so huge... it was the storyline and build-up plus a very hot crowd that made it so special. So again, I don't see where we can assume the match was better than the two men would be capable of putting on separately...

[Regis]

If it's possible to force there to be no chemistry between two people, not good, not bad, just set it so that there's nothing either way, then I'd be tempted to set any tag team with high experience as having that. Wouldn't want to give, say, the Rebellion of the New Wave positive chemistry, as it would feel like cheating, but it would be absurd for them to have bad chemistry. Just keep things simple.

[Jaded]

If it's possible to force there to be no chemistry between two people, not good, not bad, just set it so that there's nothing either way, then I'd be tempted to set any tag team with high experience as having that. Wouldn't want to give, say, the Rebellion of the New Wave positive chemistry, as it would feel like cheating, but it would be absurd for them to have bad chemistry. Just keep things simple.

It'd be pointless though, as high experience negates bad chemistry anyway.