strange events/deaths/other events 2010

[aznblusuazn]

Well, maybe if it had a restriction against big guys winning it...

Well Samoa Joe is a former champ so how can I restrict him? :)

[Comradebot]

21CW and ROF have just gained a hostile relationship with one another :eek:

Probably has something to do with ROF signing away Rolling Johnny Stones, who WAS on an exclusive contract with 21CW...

I really hope that means if it happens again we'll see 21CW proceed to trounce their much smaller, financially unstable new arch-rivals.

[aznblusuazn]

Can't really say this is a strange event, but in a Death Of WWE 2008 sim test, Hulk Hogan (who is the booker for WCW) has been the WCW World Heavyweight champ from February 2008 until September 2012 with 47 title defences... Only to lose the belt when he retired. WIth that said, WCW is #2 behind TNA. I guess the Hulkster does know what's best for the business... :)

[MJStark]

Real world mod, Shaggy 2 Dope & Necro Butcher bonded over their shared love of history.

Yeah, I can just imagine that convosation... through clouds of smoke

[Rathen4]

4C just declared war on NYCW for no apparent reason.

What

[LNK-]

Delirious helped change the locker room to give it a better look in my RoH game...

I'm scared now
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1936/delirious.gif

Delirious must be one of the best locker room leaders available. I'm just hoping that he did the impressions in character.

[Astil]

21CW and ROF have just gained a hostile relationship with one another :eek:

Probably has something to do with ROF signing away Rolling Johnny Stones, who WAS on an exclusive contract with 21CW...

I really hope that means if it happens again we'll see 21CW proceed to trounce their much smaller, financially unstable new arch-rivals.

Or RoF will destroy the juggernaut. Just sayin...

[The Masked Orange]

Donnie J wanted a midcard title run, so I increased the merchandise percentage to make up for it, to 5%.

He rejected.

I upped it to 10%

he rejected

I turned it to zero, and did not offer him anything extra

he accepted


I had a no time limit negotiation thing on, but still...

[Ben_91]

Jeremy Stone the new owner of NOTBPW, fires his sister as booker and hires Steve Flash.

[Phantom Stranger]

Jeremy Stone the new owner of NOTBPW, fires his sister as booker and hires Steve Flash.

Following the CGC shakeup, this actually makes perfect sense.

[Comradebot]

Or RoF will destroy the juggernaut. Just sayin...

Don't you know who they are? You must not know who they are...

21CW are the Juggernaut, they've been ready for this their whole damn lives!

[AndyDuke]

in my real world game, Mae Young died about 2 weeks in. Not strange itself, but it was drug-related, and caused WWE to get some bad press.

[Astil]

Don't you know who they are? You must not know who they are...

21CW are the Juggernaut, they've been ready for this their whole damn lives!

Yo weapons cannot HARM ME! I'm the juggernaut *****!

[MrOnu]

Jeremy Stone the new owner of NOTBPW, fires his sister as booker and hires Steve Flash.

Hey, he hired Alexander Robinson in my last game. After the initial surprise, I looked closely at Robinson and saw he now has an awesome A in booking skills !

[The Masked Orange]

Yo weapons cannot HARM ME! I'm the juggernaut *****!

For some reason after you said that I heard Batfink:

"Your bullets cannot harm me, my wings are like a shield of steel!"

O God I love that show... The obvious racism to the japanese, the odd plots, it was a non-wrestling version of wrestlecrap.

[ChrisKid]

Jeremy Stone the new owner of NOTBPW, fires his sister as booker and hires Steve Flash.

I had that

[LucianCarter]

Flash just became head booker of NYCW in my CZCW game. I was in the middle of renegotiating his contract as a Road Agent. I have time to try again and I hope he takes it.

[FINisher]

Stuart Ferdinand is bisexual :eek:

[praguepride]

Stuart Ferdinand is bisexual :eek:

What's so surprising? If I was that sexy I'd be getting hit on by guys and girls all the time :D

[Gungner]

Chyna was tragically killed on-set by a falling camera, during a shoot for her new movie... hmmm...

[Huntman]

I sure hope X-Pac wasn't in it...

[Waghlon]

I sure hope X-Pac wasn't in it...

Thanks. Now i'll need therapy again...

[fatallylost]

Thanks. Now i'll need therapy again...

I call shenanigans. ..

no amount of therapy could ever fix the ONiCS (one night in chyna syndrome)

[dPro]

http://jenspetter.net/tew/eisen_incident.JPG

There must be a typo in my employment contract..

[Waghlon]

I dare you. Try to fire him.

[FINisher]

It's perfectly logical. This incident has been reported to you as you are the Head Booker and you've given options. Even though you can't take any decisive action against the owner of the promotion, you can choose of how to react to this. Richard won't allow you to fire him and no matter what you choose to do against him you'll always lose. I'd go with Take no action or Fatherly approach, you wouldn't want to scold your boss wouldn't you? :p

Love it.

[dPro]

A read him the riot act and he responded "Whatever you say, boss!" (or something similar). This isn't good for my ego!

EDIT: Come to think of it he was probably being sarcastic, the douche..

[LoNdOn]

A read him the riot act and he responded "Whatever you say, boss!" (or something similar). This isn't good for my ego!

EDIT: Come to think of it he was probably being sarcastic, the douche..

It's Eisen.......of course he was being sarcastic, the no good, rotten, son of a shedog :p

[FlameSnoopy]

"Notable Other Factors:

Sammy Bach bringing in free alcohol
Groucho Bling bringing in free alcohol
Hannah Potter bringing in free alcohol
Hell's Bouncer bringing in free alcohol"

Only in.. SWF.

[Huntman]

http://i50.tinypic.com/efmd1v.jpg

I wonder if they did "I Got You Babe"

And Silas Young has been doing funny drawings of workers.

[FINisher]

In my CGC save Gargantuan has risen from D+ to B pop after just two shows by beating Shane Nelson and Whippy the Clown.. And beating the hell out of the DeColt boys. ^^

[Self]

Nemesis just died by shaking loose the pin of an antique hand grenade. The entire wrestling world mourns.

[The Masked Orange]

Nemesis just died by shaking loose the pin of an antique hand grenade. The entire wrestling world mourns.

Not Richard Eisen. ;)

[ChrisKid]

Not Richard Eisen. ;)

He put the grenade there and he loosened the pin

[Lexa90]

Man, old man Eisen is on a roll... He fights with Valiant and then he kills Nemesis... BASTARD!!!

[Gigas]

Man, old man Eisen is on a roll... He fights with Valiant and then he kills Nemesis... BASTARD!!!

Kinda makes me wonder what would happen to a fed if the owner was charged with murder and locked up for 15 years.

[SeanMcFly]

I took over EXODUS2010 in my WCW Game. I only brought in Spyder Yakuta (Since he was the only one with any popularity in the US). So Spyder Yakuta makes his way over to the US, and low and behold, on his first show, he lets rip with the world's stinkiest fart. I give him the fatherly approach and he goes...

"Fine. It's a natural act though, I don't know why everybody is so uptight about it"




:p

[The Masked Orange]

I send Fumihiro Ota down to development to train people.

Then, still under development contract he becomes in charge of that dev territory.

His first show after becoming owner, he gets a reverberating elbow.

I laughed.

[Gungner]

Orlando Jordan injuring himself for 6 weeks with... A distented anus.
I must admit, I laughed a little.

[aznblusuazn]

I must admit, this was pretty funny to me...

http://www.allenverse.com/random/random2.png

Should I fire him??? :D

[Waghlon]

I say you do a riot act. See if you can outshout him :p

[InfectedGT]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/StrangeTEW10.png

Wow RAW is trying to be in a WAR

[Kluge]

Gil Thomas took over my Created Second Development Fed for SWF. The weird thing is his Strong Dislike for Richard Eisen

[Gigas]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/StrangeTEW10.png

Wow RAW is trying to be in a WAR

Report that in the typo thread in the tech forum imo.

[ash1983]

Report that in the typo thread in the tech forum imo.

wheres the typo? i read that 3 times and looks fine

[Phantom Stranger]

wheres the typo? i read that 3 times and looks fine

'fashion'

[Gigas]

fashion

[ash1983]

'fashion'

lol,gigas didnt even drop a hint as to the word and the guy didnt even post it to show a typo

[echrisl]

Well, it's official, my USPW game has taken a turn for the worse.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4278/crapk.jpg

Yes, he was in fact my current champion. Also, thanks go out to Jay Chord for adding insult to injury ...

[LucianCarter]

Well, it's official, my USPW game has taken a turn for the worse.

Yes, he was in fact my current champion. Also, thanks go out to Jay Chord for adding insult to injury ...

Dude that sucks. Liberty is still big in my non-diary diary so I feel for you.

[echrisl]

Time to see about signing Nate Johnson, I guess ... guess I'll have to put together a tribute show card now, too. This happened day of a show where I had Liberty advance booked for the main event.

[Huntman]

Not strange, but other.

Jerry Lynn has taken Silas Young under his wing! Now his skills will be better and it gives me another reason to push him! Yes!

[Sudo_Nym]

Unfortunately, becoming a protege midgame has no effect on stats.

In my game, Jay Chord suffered a herniated spinal disk, and was forced to retire. I can't help but think American Patriot got tired of his attitude and decided to do something about it.

[Huntman]

Unfortunately, becoming a protege midgame has no effect on stats.

:( Curses.

[mtimmins]

Unfortunately, becoming a protege midgame has no effect on stats.

In my game, Jay Chord suffered a herniated spinal disk, and was forced to retire. I can't help but think American Patriot got tired of his attitude and decided to do something about it.

Ouch for the Jay Chord thing, reminds me of the time in my TEW08 watcher game, where Alicia Strong got a semi-severed spinal column and had to retire. She spent the rest of her days as a colour commentator. :(

Atleast Jay Chord deserved it :cool:

[Moe Hunter]

Just going over the Random Incidents in a game I'm watching that's currently in 2045 from 2010...

Week 2, April, 2014 Lizzy Valentine poses nude
Week 2, September, 2014 Lizzy Valentine poses nude

I guess it must have been a wildly popular issue!

[LoNdOn]

Having created a new development territory of TCW (The TWE) I was interested to see who would take over the reigns of the company.........Gil Thomas. Let's hope that this "friendly rivalry" he has with Richard Eisen explodes.

[Liamo]

Not really strange because of the way the game works, but TCW just started up their Saturday Night Showcase TV show airing on... Thursday nights :p

Seeing as I tried to counter with a new show opposite theirs on Saturday nights maybe the joke's on me...

[Comradebot]

Huh, this was a new one for me...

Apparently, Runaway Train made a short appearance on national television and did some promo work for SWF. Apparently he did a good job, and came across as a spokesperson for wrestling as a whole.

It doesn't appear to be a narrative that was ninjaed in recently, and I can't seem to see what, if anything, this actually did.

Still, good to see Runaway Train becoming the spokesman for wrestling!

[Gungner]

Darren Drozdov passed away in February 2010, and it was listed as one of the positive things in WWE that month....

[Bigpapa42]

Darren Drozdov passed away in February 2010, and it was listed as one of the positive things in WWE that month....

Deaths as "positive events" has been mentioned a few times. Its not the death itself that's positive, obviously, but the reaction of the workers. Shared grief bringing them together.

[FINisher]

Well, it's official, my USPW game has taken a turn for the worse.

<Liberty dead>

Yes, he was in fact my current champion. Also, thanks go out to Jay Chord for adding insult to injury ...

Wow.. I was going to make a future Cornellverse mod for TEW08 where Libery would have died in a fatal motorcycle accident.

Scary. :(

[echrisl]

Somewhat interestingly, my backstage notes list Liberty's death as a negative, so I guess it can go both ways ... not sure what determines which way it goes, maybe it's a negative impact if they were a positive locker room influence?

[Dragonmack]

Deaths as "positive events" has been mentioned a few times. Its not the death itself that's positive, obviously, but the reaction of the workers. Shared grief bringing them together.

Either that or the drunkenness of the wake takes the edge off :D

[Remianen]

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/756/decoltdoh.jpg

By 2014, the only DeColt still in CGC....is Alex. But what's funny is the impact Jack has on the promotion. They start going with a Steve & Jack vs Stone Siblings program, trading the main event slot between that and McFly vs Bryan Holmes, pulling 93+ each time out and go from International to Global in 3 months (INT in May, Global in August).

[InfectedGT]

This is in the Death of WWE Mod

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/SteamboatStrange.png

SHIMMER REQUESTED HIM!!!

[JaySticLe of YouTube]

My goodness, everyone wanted him, even SHIMMER!

[Nigelfuji]

This happened in my WWE game, and is easily the greatest moment I have ever encountered playing TEW.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5341/kurtangleincident.jpg

[Remianen]

This is in the Death of WWE Mod


SHIMMER REQUESTED HIM!!!

Umm, he's probably the best available road agent in the mod (guessing). That's not unusual :p

[InfectedGT]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/Lacey.png

What type of road stories?

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/AbyssisStrange.png

:eek: Abyss bonded over something other than VIOLENCE!!!!!

[Scorpio3060]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/Lacey.png

What type of road stories?



Spring Break :D

[Bad Collin]

Now this is going on the DVD extras:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEW10lol1.jpg

[The Masked Orange]

Now this is going on the DVD extras:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEW10lol1.jpg

I got you Babe...

[pantaloons]

Now this is going on the DVD extras:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEW10lol1.jpg

I really hope it was Meatloaf's Paradise by the Dashboard Light

[atomzero]

Paul Steadyfast has been jailed for 3 months for stealing a car.

[Huntman]

I got you Babe...

Yes!

*Internet High Five*

[atomzero]

Backstage factor:

(+) Paul Steadyfast going to prison.

[pantaloons]

Backstage factor:

(+) Paul Steadyfast going to prison.

Haha

[Comradebot]

Now this is going on the DVD extras:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEW10lol1.jpg

Personally, I'm pulling for "Afternoon Delight".

[pantaloons]

Personally, I'm pulling for "Afternoon Delight".

I retract my previous statement and second this.

[atomzero]

Sam Strong has retired, and Wanda Fish has taken over USPW.

[Bad Collin]

Personally, I'm pulling for "Afternoon Delight".

I do have a live afternoon TV show...

[Kamchatka]

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/Kamchatka863/Khoklov.jpg

Oh that's all right then.

[The Masked Orange]

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/Kamchatka863/Khoklov.jpg

Have you seen the youtube clip where he wrestles the bear? Sheer awesomeness.

[The Shape]

Steve Frehley just bruised his buttocks in a car wash. Awesome.

[Sonic Reducer]

Playing the 1989 mod ...

Ric Flair's athleticism jumped from 68 to 74 in the first month, which is a somewhat impressive feat in it's own right. Not to outdo himself, however, his power skill increased from 53 to 81. In one month. 5 matches.

[LucianCarter]

Playing the 1989 mod ...

Ric Flair's athleticism jumped from 68 to 74 in the first month, which is a somewhat impressive feat in it's own right. Not to outdo himself, however, his power skill increased from 53 to 81. In one month. 5 matches.

Are you testing for steroids? ;)

[Johnny Fenoli]

Are you testing for steroids? ;)

I was thinking the same thing... lol

[Comradebot]

The first part isn't too strange, since it tends to happen about half the time, but...

Ernie Turner was sent to RIPW under a developmental deal.

The scary part?

He's got D+s in almost all his top row skills now, save one D-, a C-, and a C in his hardcore, and he now has B performance skills.

And his technical skills don't seems to be slowing down their progress anytime soon.

He honestly has the tools to make a legit impact whenever the SWF finally decides to call him up.

[mtimmins]

I decided to make a second database of the Cornellverse, where the contracts are all deleted, just to see how it'd go.

Richard Eisen ended up as the owner of BSC.

And the owner of SWF is none other than Honey Golightly.

[Pseudo]

My workers are the most flatulent wrestlers in the business. I am dealing with backstage farts all the time. There must be a really good burrito place nearby or something.

[LoNdOn]

My workers are the most flatulent wrestlers in the business. I am dealing with backstage farts all the time. There must be a really good burrito place nearby or something.

If you run SOTBPW or OLLIE then you have most likely answered your own question :p

[Ranson]

MY SOTBPW game is lacking the flatulence, but I did have two different people bring truckloads of beer on the same night...I wouldn't have wanted to be the locker room janitor the next day.

[D-Lyrium]

Dean Daniels took over USPW in my game, which was odd. He hasn't changed the product too much other than cranking Traditional up to Key. Their main event is pretty much the same as you'd expect (except Baine has left): Enygma, Justice, Champion and T-Rex. Dig further however, and... KC Glenn? Jack Griffith? Jimmy P and Donnie J?

He also has only worked three USPW matches in his two year tenure as boss, because he regularly misses his own bookings to work in Japan. Hilariously, one of those three matches was Daniels and Ant-Man defeating Alicia Strong and Belle Bryden.

[shamelessposer]

The joys of mod testing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/shamelessposer/PeteGas.jpg

For some reason, the game is also very eager to leave world champion Triple H off the show so that Rikishi can main event two shows out of three.

[Scorpio3060]

Joss Thompson is angry at me for a poor new gimmick.

[InfectedGT]

Joss Thompson is angry at me for a poor new gimmick.

Is it strange that you gave him one? Or do you think he should be happy you gave him a poor gimmick?

[Bigpapa42]

Joss Thompson is angry at me for a poor new gimmick.

How badly does it fit? If you gave him a Girl Next Door gimmick or something, pretty sure he's not wrong to be upset...

[Gungner]

Triple H also got unhappy with his new gimmick. I turned him heel, and gave him the "Franchise player" gimmick

[LucianCarter]

Most of my guys end up unhappy with their gimmick.

[ChrisKid]

Luis Montero Jr just died after falling into a vat of liquid nitrogen

[FlameSnoopy]

I found this one funny:
"When it comes to raw potential, it's pretty clear that Steve Austin comes loaded with it. The 23 year old has always had that little something extra about him, and it would be no surprise at all if he ascended to superstardom before his career is through."

[ChrisKid]

I found this one funny:
"When it comes to raw potential, it's pretty clear that Steve Austin comes loaded with it. The 23 year old has always had that little something extra about him, and it would be no surprise at all if he ascended to superstardom before his career is through."

Yeah i can't think of that happening :p

[Scorpio3060]

Is it strange that you gave him one? Or do you think he should be happy you gave him a poor gimmick?

The gimmick was fine after he completed his turn. The gimmick was initially a D at the start of the angle but jumped to a C+ after the face turn.

[LucianCarter]

Always do the turn first, then the gimmick change. And C+ might still annoy them it's enough to give an incredibly minor penalty to their segments.

[Comradebot]

Always do the turn first, then the gimmick change. And C+ might still annoy them it's enough to give an incredibly minor penalty to their segments.

Yup, C+ is enough to annoy them a little. Need at least a B- for them not to... and I THINK a B+ is what they tend to want to actually be pleased over the gimmick change.

[Cadd]

Always do the turn first, then the gimmick change.

This one has always confused me. So the game won't take into account turning a fun-babyface to a heel (for example), without a corresponding gimmick change, in the same segment?

[LucianCarter]

If you change a gimmick before turning someone the new gimmick will be rated based on the current alignment which may be totally off. The gimmick change happens at the start of the segment, not during which is when the turn takes place.

If you do the turn first they may have a bad gimmick for a segment or two but when you do change the gimmick you get a shot at a decent rating and thus pleasing your worker.

[Moe Hunter]

I always thought the game re-assessed Gimick Rating when a Worker turns as well?

[The Masked Orange]

I always thought the game re-assessed Gimick Rating when a Worker turns as well?

I think it does,

I recently changed both Squeeky McLean's gimmick and alignment. During the angle, it said the gimmick had acheived a C+ rating. When I then turned him, and checked his gimmick rating, it had gone up to a B-

[jhd1]

I always thought the game re-assessed Gimick Rating when a Worker turns as well?

It does, Jack Bruce's rock star gimmick went from A to E+ when I turned him heel. Didn't help that it is recommended he doesn't use it...

[LucianCarter]

Yes but does that change the mood of the worker if the worker was pissed about the gimmick change?

[jhd1]

Yes but does that change the mood of the worker if the worker was pissed about the gimmick change?

Can't say for sure but I doubt it. They might then be pleased about their turn or gimmick but I don't think it would remove the negative if it is already there.

[LucianCarter]

Yeah. That was my point in the first place.

Turn first, then gimmick change.

[zigon]

Not seen this before Chris Kanyon is refusing to wrestle as there is to much chance he will get injuryed, he doesn't have any creative control, interesting thing, he hasn't wrestled in a very long time and is in 100% physical condition and its only a standard one on one match

[The Masked Orange]

Not seen this before Chris Kanyon is refusing to wrestle as there is to much chance he will get injuryed, he doesn't have any creative control, interesting thing, he hasn't wrestled in a very long time and is in 100% physical condition and its only a standard one on one match

His resilience may be low.

[Nithas]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1720/regalsantino.jpg

[LoNdOn]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1720/regalsantino.jpg

WOW

[ChrisKid]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1720/regalsantino.jpg

wipes eyes and jaw drops
:eek:

[King Chono]

It's not a strange Death, but I've played 4 or 5 different D.o.t.T.'s and the Missing Link ALWAYS dies a few months in, it's very strange.

[ColtCabana]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1720/regalsantino.jpg

In my mind thats not a surprise but in the "real world" it is, are they in a feud?

[Nithas]

In my mind thats not a surprise but in the "real world" it is, are they in a feud?

Not at all, I just needed a dark match, and i thought those two could probably do ok. But i certainly didn't expect an A match.

Btw., Regal is midcarder, Santino lower midcarder.

[TEWFan]

Whoever designed those stats has to be on crack.

[shamelessposer]

Not at all, I just needed a dark match, and i thought those two could probably do ok. But i certainly didn't expect an A match.

Btw., Regal is midcarder, Santino lower midcarder.

There's got to be something terribly, unexpectedly wrong with that data. Might want to point it out to whoever made it.

[Gungner]

Well, I got a B+ rating from a tag match between Charlie Haas & Finlay vs The Hart Dynasty... That shouldn't be possible, should it?

[shamelessposer]

Well, I got a B+ rating from a tag match between Charlie Haas & Finlay vs The Hart Dynasty... That shouldn't be possible, should it?

Not unless the WWE is a performance-based promotion, which would be weird in itself.

[mtimmins]

How much does good chemistry raise a match? Cause Santino and Regal had pretty good chemistry in that screenshot.

Not sure if it'd make it an A match, though

[MarioVasquez]

Shawn Michaels is now working through broken fingers after wrestling a bear.:cool:

[King Chono]

The day after Gordon Solie died of natural causes, Greg Valentine was jailed for 15 years for Second degree murder. Oh well, another midcarder lost.

[zigon]

its no suprise Regal v Santino got a A, i'm nearly 2 years into a game i am playing with a new fed and WWE already has all top 10 matches as 100, stat makers are far far far to generious

[Comradebot]

its no suprise Regal v Santino got a A, i'm nearly 2 years into a game i am playing with a new fed and WWE already has all top 10 matches as 100, stat makers are far far far to generious

In other news, the sky is blue.

It really is saddening that, after all these years of TEW, modmakers still grossly over-inflate stats in real world mods.

Folks should do everything in their power to go, look at the C-Verse, and base their workers' stats accordingly. There's no reason that Jeff Hardy should be much better than, say, Brett Biggz.

[The Masked Orange]

[/B]

In other news, the sky is blue.

It really is saddening that, after all these years of TEW, modmakers still grossly over-inflate stats in real world mods.

Folks should do everything in their power to go, look at the C-Verse, and base their workers' stats accordingly. There's no reason that Jeff Hardy should be much better than, say, Brett Biggz.

Give Jeff Hardy some credit, I'd say after maturing with the storylines with HHH etc his performance is a C, and brawling slightly better than Brett.

[Comradebot]

its no suprise Regal v Santino got a A, i'm nearly 2 years into a game i am playing with a new fed and WWE already has all top 10 matches as 100, stat makers are far far far to generious

Give Jeff Hardy some credit, I'd say after maturing with the storylines with HHH etc his performance is a C, and brawling slightly better than Brett.

Yes, but he has significantly less Charisma, so it balances out. Seriously, I think the highest charisma I"d give Jeff Hardy would be a C-, and only with even lower acting and microphone abilities, and the C- would be there JUST so he can avoid falling under owner goals for charisma.

In-ring he's improved, but on the microphone it's really hard to call going from "completly god awful" to just "god awful" improved. IT'd be like if a midget had a growth spurt and grew two inches. Congrats, now you're 4'2".

[The Masked Orange]

Yes, but he has significantly less Charisma, so it balances out. Seriously, I think the highest charisma I"d give Jeff Hardy would be a C-, and only with even lower acting and microphone abilities, and the C- would be there JUST so he can avoid falling under owner goals for charisma.

In-ring he's improved, but on the microphone it's really hard to call going from "completly god awful" to just "god awful" improved. IT'd be like if a midget had a growth spurt and grew two inches. Congrats, now you're 4'2".

I think his mic would be a D, but his charisma is at least a C+, I think in the entertainment section, he's like a less charismatic Remmy Skye, charismatic, but it doesn't translate on the sticks.

[Comradebot]

I think his mic would be a D, but his charisma is at least a C+, I think in the entertainment section, he's like a less charismatic Remmy Skye, charismatic, but it doesn't translate on the sticks.

And this is how stats get inflated.

[The Masked Orange]

And this is how stats get inflated.

The guy has charisma, not above a B- but not below a C+, how do you think he got over? Sure, he was willing to do some crazy moves, but there was something there. Maybe a C, but that's just because I can't stay mad at you. :D

[Bad Collin]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEWMexwipeout.jpg

hmm, I don't think this is a coincidence. :)

[zigon]

how did u get that screen?

[Bad Collin]

Do you mean where in the game is it? If you go to game world and click on the national flag this pops up.

I have to made a copy of my current save and get myself over there with a new fed, the good people of Mexico deserve some wrestling!

[Bigpapa42]

My promotions dojo just brought through a random new worker. A 17-year old female wrestler who is a heavyweight... Her best skill (really only skill) is B+ stamina. Her name is Esther. Awesome.

Too bad my promotion doesn't have a women's divison. I still signed her and sent her to development, just for kicks.

[Comradebot]

The guy has charisma, not above a B- but not below a C+, how do you think he got over? Sure, he was willing to do some crazy moves, but there was something there. Maybe a C, but that's just because I can't stay mad at you. :D

Could be he got over because he does have solid SQ and is willing to take crazy bumps?

You don't NEED oodles of charisma to get over, just one of the many ways you can.

[March]

My promotions dojo just brought through a random new worker. A 17-year old female wrestler who is a heavyweight... Her best skill (really only skill) is B+ stamina. Her name is Esther. Awesome.

Too bad my promotion doesn't have a women's divison. I still signed her and sent her to development, just for kicks.

LOL.. Big Esther can tangle with the boys.

[mtimmins]

My promotions dojo just brought through a random new worker. A 17-year old female wrestler who is a heavyweight... Her best skill (really only skill) is B+ stamina. Her name is Esther. Awesome.

Too bad my promotion doesn't have a women's divison. I still signed her and sent her to development, just for kicks.

If you don't have a women's division, why not just set your dojo to men only? :eek:

I'm working on getting a women's division, currently, *I* don't have one, but my development fed does, when I feel like calling up the women I got, I'll switch to make women a divsion and stick em on my 'b' show when I get one. :)

[The Masked Orange]

Could be he got over because he does have solid SQ and is willing to take crazy bumps?

You don't NEED oodles of charisma to get over, just one of the many ways you can.

Star Quality? To begin with he looked like a scrawny teenager who had been to one-too-many raves.

We'll just agree to disagree, but the way you see Jeff Hardy's SQ, is how mods REALLY become oversaturated. :D

[The Masked Orange]

In my SWF game, I sent Marat down to development (just for a month! he was selling an injury), and just too see what I was getting into, I turned off autosave, and then ran a narrative making him peak physcologically. The three stats effected, Phycology, Selling and Consistency, I was surprised.

Phycology stayed at D.
Consistency stayed at B.
Selling went from E to A.

I'll say it twice in case you are in disbelief.

SELLING WENT FROM E TO A

:eek:

[Bigpapa42]

LOL.. Big Esther can tangle with the boys.

I would have to say Esther is one of the big boys...

If you don't have a women's division, why not just set your dojo to men only? :eek:

I'm working on getting a women's division, currently, *I* don't have one, but my development fed does, when I feel like calling up the women I got, I'll switch to make women a divsion and stick em on my 'b' show when I get one. :)

Valid question. I never really looked at it, to be honest. If I had, I might have still left it. Not hoping to get women's wrestlers, but female talent for managers, etc.

[mtimmins]

I would have to say Esther is one of the big boys...



Valid question. I never really looked at it, to be honest. If I had, I might have still left it. Not hoping to get women's wrestlers, but female talent for managers, etc.

You should make Esther a manager playing a bodyguard role, like have a heel with a weasel gimmick use her to stand in people's way, and they back off, not wanting to hit a poor lady. ;)

What's her Menace at? :rolleyes:

[zigon]

Do you mean where in the game is it? If you go to game world and click on the national flag this pops up.

I have to made a copy of my current save and get myself over there with a new fed, the good people of Mexico deserve some wrestling!

when i do that i get a box that gives me a breakdown, promotion and location nothing like what you got

[The Masked Orange]

when i do that i get a box that gives me a breakdown, promotion and location nothing like what you got

then click on trends

[Rone Rivendale]

What is with all the Jeff Hardy hate? If he doesn't have charisma then how did he become a main event star in WWE? You know, the fed where talent in the ring means very little.

Having a dislike for a wrestler, and saying that they are terrible is saying two different things. You can hate a wrestler and still know in your mind that they are good. Jeff obviously had it, every time he took his shirt off the women fainted in their seats. Sure, his mic skills lacked at times but you can't really think his charisma would be at a C- or less?

And he wasn't a spot monkey either. He has taken some sick bumps but they were at major PPVs. It wasn't like he was jumping off 20 foot ladders into tables on every episode of Raw!

If I was making a real world mod I would put his Mic at D+, his Charisma at B (yes B) and his acting at D+ as well.

[Bigpapa42]

You should make Esther a manager playing a bodyguard role, like have a heel with a weasel gimmick use her to stand in people's way, and they back off, not wanting to hit a poor lady. ;)

What's her Menace at? :rolleyes:

C. Not bad for a female worker. She's the largest female in the CV by two sizes.

I have no plans for her and she probably never makes it out of development. But I couldn't help myself from signing the big lady.

[Comradebot]

Just, for the record, with 2008 I saw a SUPER Heavyweight woman debut in Mexico.

No, seriously.

Also, I have to think Ryland might wanna consider fixing this already... it seems far more over-sized women debut at random than those that are half realistic. Thank god Donna Marino popped out in Europe with here B Sex Appeal and not being ginormous...

[The Masked Orange]

Just, for the record, with 2008 I saw a SUPER Heavyweight woman debut in Mexico.

Seriously?

No, seriously.

Damn.

[mtimmins]

C. Not bad for a female worker. She's the largest female in the CV by two sizes.

I have no plans for her and she probably never makes it out of development. But I couldn't help myself from signing the big lady.

Just leave her in development for a couple years, then unleash her upon the indy feds.

She'd eat them all alive. How else did she get so big?

Just, for the record, with 2008 I saw a SUPER Heavyweight woman debut in Mexico.

No, seriously.

Also, I have to think Ryland might wanna consider fixing this already... it seems far more over-sized women debut at random than those that are half realistic. Thank god Donna Marino popped out in Europe with here B Sex Appeal and not being ginormous...

You need to sign her, now. And give her a monster gimmick, and have her demolish your entire roster, under the name Big Bertha. Super Heavyweight... the help file says thats 380+ LBS....

[Rone Rivendale]

You should name her Awesome Kong... oh wait that's been taken. :D

[praguepride]

Just, for the record, with 2008 I saw a SUPER Heavyweight woman debut in Mexico.

No, seriously.

Also, I have to think Ryland might wanna consider fixing this already... it seems far more over-sized women debut at random than those that are half realistic. Thank god Donna Marino popped out in Europe with here B Sex Appeal and not being ginormous...

A super heavyweight woman with A* sex appeal... brings a whole new meaning to the term "Amazon" ;)

[Moe Hunter]

What is with all the Jeff Hardy hate? If he doesn't have charisma then how did he become a main event star in WWE? You know, the fed where talent in the ring means very little.


Yeah, Chris Benoit was never a Main Eventer in WWE. Either that, or he was loaded with Charisma and his in-ring talent meant very little.

[YBDynamo]

You should name her Awesome Kong... oh wait that's been taken. :D

Esther Kong Lives!

[cbhcbh]

Hey guys, Five+ Year Lurker, First Day to Register and Comment.......

I'm not highly computer-literate, so I have no screen grab, but I had to register after YEARS of reading and loosely following the forums to post this from the in-game web page, late March 2011 on the Default database (playing as VWA).

Headline
"Spotlight Falls on BHOTWG"
- - - - - a drug-related death

"Sessue Kawate Retiring"
- - - - - Retirement staring him in the face, looking forward to starting a new life behind the scenes

"Sessue Kawate in Drugs Death"
- - - - - ...................

You know, it's probably just a coincidence that the "retiring" notice posted on the same day as the "death" notice........ but it just seemed tragic. Here was this guy, looking forward to the next phase in his life, and BLAM - dead from drug abuse. I could imagine his family & friends saying, "he was just talking about how he was going to slow down and get comfortable in the gorilla position or be a fine road agent... remember him saying that?" That thought went through my head in a flash.

Later, I realized I had a sympathetic feeling of tragedy for a fictional character in a virtual simulation of a fake sport.

.
.
.

THAT is the power of story-telling. Even if unintentional, I say, "Well Done, TEW!"

[lazorbeak]

This is a little off-topic, but reading through the past two pages there's some alarmingly incorrect stuff being said.

[/B]

In other news, the sky is blue.

It really is saddening that, after all these years of TEW, modmakers still grossly over-inflate stats in real world mods.

Folks should do everything in their power to go, look at the C-Verse, and base their workers' stats accordingly. There's no reason that Jeff Hardy should be much better than, say, Brett Biggz.

I like how you balance a true statement with a hilariously false statement: the transition makes for good comic irony. Wait, you're not serious, are you? You seriously think Brett Biggz is an analogue for Jeff Hardy? In a mod not set in 1995? I think I could agree that when he was a jobber for Razor Ramon and Owen Hart and the 1-2-3 Kid Hardy's skills were about there, but unlike Brett Biggz, Hardy went on to win pretty much every singles title out there and got incredibly over despite pretty poor mic skills. That just won't happen if you give Jeff Hardy Brett Biggz-level stats.

Yes, but he has significantly less Charisma, so it balances out. Seriously, I think the highest charisma I"d give Jeff Hardy would be a C-, and only with even lower acting and microphone abilities, and the C- would be there JUST so he can avoid falling under owner goals for charisma.

In-ring he's improved, but on the microphone it's really hard to call going from "completly god awful" to just "god awful" improved. IT'd be like if a midget had a growth spurt and grew two inches. Congrats, now you're 4'2".

Charisma=/ Mic Skills. There's a whole stat for that. A lot of guys in the wrestling business have great charisma but couldn't cut a promo. Ultimate Warrior. Sting. Rhino. Seriously the stats were separated following EWR for a reason. Hardy connects with the crowd: they respond to whatever he does. He has charisma. He does not have good mic skills though.

And this is how stats get inflated.

Yes, legitimate comparisons to C-verse equivalents is the root cause of stat inflations. Wait, what? Next you'll be telling me that copying Sam Strong's stats grossly inflates Hulk Hogan. Seriously strong C-Verse comparisons are exactly where I'd start for getting stats like Hardy, and I would actually improve his performance skills over Remmy Skye because his time with TNA and his return to WWE have given him the experience that he's not nearly as spotty as he was circa 2001. Also since he came back to WWE he's been an entertainer, whereas before that I think he could somewhat fairly be called a spot monkey.

Jeff Hardy is a prime example of a unique look (at the time: it was so popular it ended up inspiring a lot of copycats) and good charisma get someone over. Think about it from a playability stand-point: a lot of mod-makers, because they either have never seen the Hardy Boyz perform or don't understand how the game works give Matt Hardy higher star quality and/or higher charisma. With those attributes, Matt Hardy will get more over more quickly. Now, was there ever a time when Matt Hardy got a bigger reaction than Jeff?

The moral of the story is: don't let personal bias or your opinion about a guy's work 10 years ago prevent you from recognizing his stats.

[shamelessposer]

How much does good chemistry raise a match? Cause Santino and Regal had pretty good chemistry in that screenshot.

Not sure if it'd make it an A match, though

"Pretty good chemistry" would only bump it up by a couple of points, maybe a single grade. Unless you've gotten Regal and Santino into main event-level popularity, there's no way they should be generating those sorts of scores.

[ColtCabana]

"Pretty good chemistry" would only bump it up by a couple of points, maybe a single grade. Unless you've gotten Regal and Santino into main event-level popularity, there's no way they should be generating those sorts of scores.

It's possible they've got over on angles and beaten somebody with high momentum.

[cyberkitten01]

Yes, but he has significantly less Charisma, so it balances out. Seriously, I think the highest charisma I"d give Jeff Hardy would be a C-, and only with even lower acting and microphone abilities, and the C- would be there JUST so he can avoid falling under owner goals for charisma.

In-ring he's improved, but on the microphone it's really hard to call going from "completly god awful" to just "god awful" improved. IT'd be like if a midget had a growth spurt and grew two inches. Congrats, now you're 4'2".

I'm willing to believe low mic and low acting, maybe a C for Charisma at most, but give him like a B in sex appeal and B+ in Star Quality. Pulling off his top and getting a pop from the ladies in the crowd isn't charisma, that's having a good look, and that can help a worker get over. Charisma certainly helps get a worker over too if they're skills aren't too hot.

He's certainly improved in recent years, as back in the day using the "takes his shirt off and gets a pop" example didn't really involve charisma at all. He never really acknowledged the crowd, and always seemed a bit awkward. Years later obviously he was flailing around, gesturing to the crowd, so there'd been an improvement in charisma, but I'd hardly say B+ or anything

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but I trust C-Bot when it comes to stats. If someone's favourite wrestler had low stats in a real world mod, doesn't mean you can't get them over. How long did it take Jeff Hardy to get to the top? Nearly 10 years? That's a long time in TEW terms. I'm sure with C- charisma in TEW you could get him to A* all over the world if you booked it right

Matt having more charisma or star quality is wrong, I'll give you that. He'd have a lot more mic skills, but he's hardly what we call charismatic. Reliable maybe

[Phantom Stranger]

I think I could agree that when he was a jobber for Razor Ramon and Owen Hart and the 1-2-3 Kid Hardy's skills were about there, but unlike Brett Biggz, Hardy went on to win pretty much every singles title out there and got incredibly over despite pretty poor mic skills.

Because, as we know, Goldberg is noted for his promos.

No? Oh, he's an in-ring ability guy?

No?

...Hm. How about we go back to the C-Verse?

Yeah, the C-verse. No one with less-than-brilliant stats and low mic skills would hold the SWF's...

Wait, what?

Runaway Train?

Hrm.

Guess there are exceptions to every rule, then.

[LoNdOn]

Because, as we know, Goldberg is noted for his promos.

No? Oh, he's an in-ring ability guy?

No?

...Hm. How about we go back to the C-Verse?

Yeah, the C-verse. No one with less-than-brilliant stats and low mic skills would hold the SWF's...

Wait, what?

Runaway Train?

Hrm.

Guess there are exceptions to every rule, then.

Goldberg got over because of his look, presence and in ring domination. Make of that what you will.

[Bad Collin]

Goldberg would get over very quickly in 2010 with a brute push.

I think this might be the last straw for the E in my game:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/Badcollin/TEWwwefinished.jpg

[Nigelfuji]

Hey guys, Five+ Year Lurker, First Day to Register and Comment.......

I'm not highly computer-literate, so I have no screen grab, but I had to register after YEARS of reading and loosely following the forums to post this from the in-game web page, late March 2011 on the Default database (playing as VWA).

Headline
"Spotlight Falls on BHOTWG"
- - - - - a drug-related death

"Sessue Kawate Retiring"
- - - - - Retirement staring him in the face, looking forward to starting a new life behind the scenes

"Sessue Kawate in Drugs Death"
- - - - - ...................


This exact same thing happened to Scott Hall in one game for me, and again to Jake Roberts in another. :(

[Jennie Bomb]

Star Quality? To begin with he looked like a scrawny teenager who had been to one-too-many raves.

We'll just agree to disagree, but the way you see Jeff Hardy's SQ, is how mods REALLY become oversaturated. :D

You just made the opposing point for them - Superstar Quality is supposed to represent the intangible difference between someone who is very talented, and someone who is a star. Jeff Hardy survived a mediocre look, god-awful mic skills and ropey work-rate (at least, when he was younger, when he was a spot monkey) primarily because of immense innate charisma and because he exudes more star quality than arguably anyone in his generation of workers.

[Slim Jim]

Now, was there ever a time when Matt Hardy got a bigger reaction than Jeff?

During the whole Edge/Lita thing, Matt was getting just about as big a reaction as anyone on the entire roster. Shame he/WWE couldn't capitalise on that properly.

But yeah, generally speaking, Jeff has always been the star of the team. He just has "it" while Matt... doesn't. Just a matter of defining "it"; mostly star quality, I'd say.

As for Goldberg, well, there's Menace, Power, Star Quality... perhaps a dose of charisma, but really you can't compare his success with Jeff's. They got over for very different reasons, at very different stages of their careers, taking very different paths.

[lazorbeak]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but I trust C-Bot when it comes to stats. If someone's favourite wrestler had low stats in a real world mod, doesn't mean you can't get them over. How long did it take Jeff Hardy to get to the top? Nearly 10 years? That's a long time in TEW terms. I'm sure with C- charisma in TEW you could get him to A* all over the world if you booked it right

Matt having more charisma or star quality is wrong, I'll give you that. He'd have a lot more mic skills, but he's hardly what we call charismatic. Reliable maybe

I would ordinarily, but then he said something absurd like Jeff Hardy's stats should be based on a guy that gets booed by a significant portion of the crowd every time he is on television, and that is not only inaccurate, it's humorously inaccurate. Second, saying that it took Hardy ten years (actually more then that) to go from jobber to champion does not mean he was booked super strongly or that he didn't get main event level pops in 2000 or 2001. Yes, you can "Goldberg-push" anyone, but someone that gets massively over by themselves need stats that back that up. He was getting big reactions from 2000 on; the fact that he wasn't made a champion then had more to do with management and the fact that he didn't have the tools to be champion, not overness. In fact, his hiatus from WWE can be seen as the result of the company being unwilling to push him as a main eventer despite his popularity.

Because, as we know, Goldberg is noted for his promos.

No? Oh, he's an in-ring ability guy?

No?

...Hm. How about we go back to the C-Verse?

Yeah, the C-verse. No one with less-than-brilliant stats and low mic skills would hold the SWF's...

Wait, what?

Runaway Train?

Hrm.

Guess there are exceptions to every rule, then.

It's like... I mean, do people even read? I just said in the post quoted that mic skills are not equal to charisma JUST NOW. Yes, Goldberg has charisma. Again, in my own example I singled out Ultimate Warrior, who is an even better example of good charisma/ bad mic skills. Beyond that, on what planet is that a valid comparison? They work for different companies, were pushed completely differently, and really the only thing they have in common is they both would have high star quality and good (not amazing or excellent or perfect but good) charisma.


Seriously if you don't see the difference between a worker who is not booked all that strongly (his tag team loses every major match at big PPVs) that somehow gets over anyway and further gets more over than his partner who he works with every night, and Runaway Train, I don't know what to tell you.


I'm not saying Jeff Hardy needs to be identical to Remmy Skye's stats, but it does make a hell of a lot more sense to base where Jeff Hardy was in 1998 on where Remmy Skye is at the same age. Seriously look at Remmy Skye's stats: decent aerial but far more flashiness, pretty weak brawling and even worse chain work, and a 47 on the mic with 94 charisma. For those who go cross-eyed doing math, that's 2 times his mic skills. Skye has aerial and charisma above 90, and nothing else. Based on those stats you could see him get over as he puts over the Edge & Christian's of the world and improves his poor consistency and lack of psychology. In other words: he has an upside, but he wouldn't be anybody's first choice to make champion in a big promotion. Now, compare that to Brett Biggz, who is the same age as Hardy and yet has never won a singles title and never been a main event level guy ever, and his highest skill is athleticism at a 71, narrowly edging out a flashiness rating of 69. Brett Biggz is not going to get over just by being on TV every week. Brett Biggz is never going to main event unless he is pushed to never lose. Since Jeff Hardy was not pushed that way but did get over, what I'm saying is that it's a bad comparison to make.


As far as the Matt Hardy/Edge thing, I'll concede that right when Hardy re-debuted he was probably Jeff Hardy-level over, but poor booking and Matt Hardy's general ordinariness meant by the time the feud was over he was pretty much back where he started.

[Phantom Stranger]

It's like... I mean, do people even read? I just said in the post quoted that mic skills are not equal to charisma JUST NOW. Yes, Goldberg has charisma. Again, in my own example I singled out Ultimate Warrior, who is an even better example of good charisma/ bad mic skills. Beyond that, on what planet is that a valid comparison? They work for different companies, were pushed completely differently, and really the only thing they have in common is they both would have high star quality and good (not amazing or excellent or perfect but good) charisma.

Here's the thing, lazorbeak - your position, ultimately, seems to come down to "Jeff Hardy must have skill level X, as he's been a world champion, and therefore a Biggz is a bad idea".

And yet, y'know, world champions do not necessarily have those skills in real life. World champions do not necessarily have good mic skills.

(We'll set aside the notion that Jeff couldn't get the crowd involved. Enough other people have disagreed, as do I.)

I'm not sure that Star Quality is necessary, either - it's wanted. And yet, in prior games in the series, Don Henderson could rise to be the top man in a global company - if he got lucky on Destiny. We see, throughout threads like Strange Events, watcher games in which unlikely people rocket to the top.

There is no one thing you have to have to reach the top. Not in the game, not in real life. Actually, that's not true - you need at least a certain degree of overness.

But how you GET that over the course of the game varies radically - by worker, by promotion, by booking, by product, by sheer dumb luck, by something we might call a Destiny factor.

Why did I bring Train into this?

Because Train is someone whose stats are pretty poor, but who has main evented - and who can, with careful booking, be raised up and given a successful run at the top of a Global company even in the 2010 database.

[The Masked Orange]

:( I feel bad now.

Let's just all agree that Grandmaster Phunk should be Main Eventing Wrestlemania and then we can all return to TEW. :)

[Comradebot]

:( I feel bad now.

Let's just all agree that Grandmaster Phunk should be Main Eventing Wrestlemania and then we can all return to TEW. :)

So long as its an Uzbekistan Death Match against Frankie Future...

/takes notes for diary

[InfectedGT]

Glenn Jacobs (Kane) has taken Dorian Deville (Festus) under his wing as his protege.

What's funny about this you ask? Festus played the Imposter Kane.

[Fallout24]

I'm about 3 months into my PSW game and SWF chose not to resign Steve Frehley. He didn't have any bad relationships with anyone so it was strange for him to be released.

[Bigpapa42]

I'm about 3 months into my PSW game and SWF chose not to resign Steve Frehley. He didn't have any bad relationships with anyone so it was strange for him to be released.

This typically happens when Frehley's contract comes up. He won't resign with them due to the SWF's risque levels in their product. He's too conservative.

[Genadi]

Goldberg got over because of his look, presence and in ring domination. Make of that what you will.

Forgot one other little contributing factor... The biggest freakin push I think I've ever seen in wrestling outside of Hulk Hogan! The guy went over Hogan clean his first year with the company, simulate that in TEW and no matter how scaled back his stats are he'll get over.

As for Jeff Hardy, alot of things contributed to him getting over outside of his base stats, gimmick, opponents/feuds, product/his style, booking, Era (Daredevil popular) and the all important factor I think alot of people forget in TEW.... Timing! So many stars over the years have gotten over mostly due to good timing imo, that's why some are hot one day and not the next. Jeff's Entertainment skills for a current day mod I'd rate....

Mic E+
Charisma B-
Acting D-

Superstar Quality B
Sex Apeal C+

NOTE - Only one male has a sex appeal rating of B in C-Verse and he's the highest rated male.

[Remianen]

I'm not sure that Star Quality is necessary, either - it's wanted. And yet, in prior games in the series, Don Henderson could rise to be the top man in a global company - if he got lucky on Destiny. We see, throughout threads like Strange Events, watcher games in which unlikely people rocket to the top.

There is no one thing you have to have to reach the top. Not in the game, not in real life. Actually, that's not true - you need at least a certain degree of overness.

First off, the randomness that occurs in TEW is the 'dumb luck' factor. It's the 'stars aligning to make this happen' effect. As far as TEW's mechanics go, Star Quality and Charisma often combine to make workers successful, regardless of promotion product. When making a mod, if there are people you want to "rise to the top" (or that you feel should do so), SQ and Charisma combine to make that more likely. For a C-Verse example, look at El Fuerza vs Enforcer Roberts. The former is 'meh' in the ring but has that SQ/CHA combo and the other is fantastic in the ring but doesn't have anything close to 'it'. With both on the roster, one's going to shoot to the top of the card regardless and the other's going to be a 'steady hand' type but never really get himself to that level. That's what I think lazorbeak was trying to get across (with his normal acidic wit :p).

And I don't know what game you're playing but in this one, overness isn't much of a concern at the promotion levels we're talking about. Heck, at any level where TV is available, overness isn't a concern since it can be produced right out of thin air. It becomes especially easy to do with those people who possess that magical combination. So while you're right that SQ and Charisma aren't absolute necessities, when you're portraying proven (or future) 'stars' in a mod, you have to go heavy handed in those departments to make things happen the way you see/want them to.

I agree also that personal bias has no place in what is essentially a statistical representation of a person. C-Verse comparisons start to fall down with regard to scale, I think. The Cornellverse is very small compared to a typical real life mod. Real promotions don't follow the logic that is inherent in the C-Verse. They don't do things nearly as logically as even their equivalents do. I saw this when I was first putting my mod together. Double the number of workers in the C-Verse and things start to get wonky. And that's with the exact same workers simply renamed (put a z at the beginning of every worker's name). The C-Verse is a controlled environment whereas a real life mod doesn't have that level of absolute control (unless you confine the mod to a handful of promotions).

[hellshock70]

Odd Death: One of Sam Keith's twin sons takes a 22 story fall to his death. Wasn't that the same distance that Eric Clapton's son fell from a window?

Jeff Hardy:

It's taken longer then 10 years for Jeff Hardy to get to where he is since I remember him in several places before WWE.

1. For a few years Jeff Hardy along with his brother Matt and Hurricane Helms wrestled for New Dimensions Wrestling in North Carolina from 1997 till they entered WWE full-time. They had appreared several times before their *official" arrival jobbing to other teams. Matt and Jeff wore masks and Helms might have weighed 120 lbs. soaking wet.

2. Matt And Jeff ran their own promotion called Omega (also in North Carolina) prior to and during their appearances in NDW and was shut down when they went to the WWE full-time. Among the stars of their promotion besides Helms was Shannon Moore and Gemini Kid. (G.K. runs the real Mid-Atlantic promotion in North Carolina)

You can also check out the "indyinsiders" who have pics of where the Hardy's have appeared at Mid-Atlantic in an unofficial capacity since their *official* arrival in WWE.

[InfectedGT]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z49/Iqikahq_2007/Sydal.png

Wow.

[hellshock70]

As of July 2010, Acid is the USPW World Champion and some random generated rookie called Devon Wright from the SWF school is their National Champion. Even more odd though is the National title has more prestige then their World title.

[hellshock70]

Lol

[lazorbeak]

Here's the thing, lazorbeak - your position, ultimately, seems to come down to "Jeff Hardy must have skill level X, as he's been a world champion, and therefore a Biggz is a bad idea".

No, my point is that from a gameplay perspective handicapping a guy that got over in spite of not being God-pushed so that the ONLY way he could get over is a God-push is not good mod-making or a good idea generally. In fact, it is the opposite. Basically, if your framework doesn't account for how someone like Jeff Hardy got over, your framework is broken. As a game function, star quality and charisma get people over. Jeff Hardy got over. And, since we've established he didn't get over through Goldberg pushes but got over in spite of losing a lot of big match-ups, it would seem the guy has star quality and charisma over and above Brett freaking Biggz (65 and 68).

Why did I bring Train into this?

Because Train is someone whose stats are pretty poor, but who has main evented - and who can, with careful booking, be raised up and given a successful run at the top of a Global company even in the 2010 database.


Train has a menace stat above 90 and three performance skills in the 70's, and, as noted, is a monster heel. Jeff Hardy, on the other hand, can't get over as a monster heel, and didn't get over from his many big-match victories (can you remember even one Wrestlemania when he went over anyone?), and yet he became a main eventer.

Brett Biggz, on the other hand, doesn't have charisma, star quality, or a performance stat above 66 (with a 22 for consistency!). Obviously there's lots of variables in figuring out how a guy's career could have gone, but my point is the comparison is terrible, because.... the comparison is terrible.

First off, the randomness that occurs in TEW is the 'dumb luck' factor. It's the 'stars aligning to make this happen' effect. As far as TEW's mechanics go, Star Quality and Charisma often combine to make workers successful, regardless of promotion product. When making a mod, if there are people you want to "rise to the top" (or that you feel should do so), SQ and Charisma combine to make that more likely. For a C-Verse example, look at El Fuerza vs Enforcer Roberts. The former is 'meh' in the ring but has that SQ/CHA combo and the other is fantastic in the ring but doesn't have anything close to 'it'. With both on the roster, one's going to shoot to the top of the card regardless and the other's going to be a 'steady hand' type but never really get himself to that level. That's what I think lazorbeak was trying to get across (with his normal acidic wit :p).

And I don't know what game you're playing but in this one, overness isn't much of a concern at the promotion levels we're talking about. Heck, at any level where TV is available, overness isn't a concern since it can be produced right out of thin air. It becomes especially easy to do with those people who possess that magical combination. So while you're right that SQ and Charisma aren't absolute necessities, when you're portraying proven (or future) 'stars' in a mod, you have to go heavy handed in those departments to make things happen the way you see/want them to.

I agree also that personal bias has no place in what is essentially a statistical representation of a person. C-Verse comparisons start to fall down with regard to scale, I think. The Cornellverse is very small compared to a typical real life mod. Real promotions don't follow the logic that is inherent in the C-Verse. They don't do things nearly as logically as even their equivalents do. I saw this when I was first putting my mod together. Double the number of workers in the C-Verse and things start to get wonky. And that's with the exact same workers simply renamed (put a z at the beginning of every worker's name). The C-Verse is a controlled environment whereas a real life mod doesn't have that level of absolute control (unless you confine the mod to a handful of promotions).

Yes, exactly Remi. Arguing Hardy doesn't have "it" just doesn't bare out when looking at facts and I don't think anyone could really say a Hardy push was forced on anyone.

And a good point about C-verse mods. While the normal trend may be stat overinflation to the point that William Regal and Santino pull A-rated classics, overly critical evaluations of main eventers is also a problem. An overly critical mod-maker may say to themselves "oh SWF only has 4 guys on the active roster with a psychology over B+, so there must be about that many in WWE." But WWE doesn't have a TCW or even a NOTBPW to contend with, and they have a wider talent pool. So in addition to usual suspects like HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker, you also have a midcard that has solid hands like William Regal and Fit Finlay, along with people that have spent a lifetime (more than 18 years) in the business like Triple H, Edge, Rey Mysterio, even Goldust. Maybe not every one of these guys needs great psychology, but they do need stats to reflect that they've all competed in front of huge crowds literally thousands of times. A look at the SWF roster reveals that the list of guys that have been on such a high level for such a long time is just Christian Faith and Enforcer Roberts. Even Runaway Train, one of SWF's few long-time stars, has less high-level ring experience than Big Show.

[FlameSnoopy]

Yes, exactly Remi. Arguing Hardy doesn't have "it" just doesn't bare out when looking at facts and I don't think anyone could really say a Hardy push was forced on anyone.

And a good point about C-verse mods. While the normal trend may be stat overinflation to the point that William Regal and Santino pull A-rated classics, overly critical evaluations of main eventers is also a problem. An overly critical mod-maker may say to themselves "oh SWF only has 4 guys on the active roster with a psychology over B+, so there must be about that many in WWE." But WWE doesn't have a TCW or even a NOTBPW to contend with, and they have a wider talent pool. So in addition to usual suspects like HBK, Jericho, and Undertaker, you also have a midcard that has solid hands like William Regal and Fit Finlay, along with people that have spent a lifetime (more than 18 years) in the business like Triple H, Edge, Rey Mysterio, even Goldust. Maybe not every one of these guys needs great psychology, but they do need stats to reflect that they've all competed in front of huge crowds literally thousands of times. A look at the SWF roster reveals that the list of guys that have been on such a high level for such a long time is just Christian Faith and Enforcer Roberts. Even Runaway Train, one of SWF's few long-time stars, has less high-level ring experience than Big Show.

This is where I see a mistake some real world mod makers make. WWE is not SWF, it's bigger than SWF. TCW is larger than TNA, and there is no promotion (NOTBPW) who is in the brink of rising to national. These worlds are completely different, and shouldn't really be compared when talking about National+ promotions and their rosters.

And on the Jeff Hardy topic, he must have atleast B+ charisma and B+ star quality. And I say this and I am definitely not a Hardy fan.

[cyberkitten01]

I'm not saying Jeff Hardy needs to be identical to Remmy Skye's stats, but it does make a hell of a lot more sense to base where Jeff Hardy was in 1998 on where Remmy Skye is at the same age. Seriously look at Remmy Skye's stats: decent aerial but far more flashiness, pretty weak brawling and even worse chain work, and a 47 on the mic with 94 charisma. For those who go cross-eyed doing math, that's 2 times his mic skills. Skye has aerial and charisma above 90, and nothing else. Based on those stats you could see him get over as he puts over the Edge & Christian's of the world and improves his poor consistency and lack of psychology. In other words: he has an upside, but he wouldn't be anybody's first choice to make champion in a big promotion. Now, compare that to Brett Biggz, who is the same age as Hardy and yet has never won a singles title and never been a main event level guy ever, and his highest skill is athleticism at a 71, narrowly edging out a flashiness rating of 69. Brett Biggz is not going to get over just by being on TV every week. Brett Biggz is never going to main event unless he is pushed to never lose. Since Jeff Hardy was not pushed that way but did get over, what I'm saying is that it's a bad comparison to make.

Ooooh, I like that. And Remmy's avatar obviously has the resemblance too

[lazorbeak]

This is where I see a mistake some real world mod makers make. WWE is not SWF, it's bigger than SWF. TCW is larger than TNA, and there is no promotion (NOTBPW) who is in the brink of rising to national. These worlds are completely different, and shouldn't really be compared when talking about National+ promotions and their rosters.

And on the Jeff Hardy topic, he must have atleast B+ charisma and B+ star quality. And I say this and I am definitely not a Hardy fan.

Yeah, I don't even see TCW as a TNA equivalent, I see it as a WCW equivalent. TNA's a lot closer to USPW in terms of attendance and popularity.

The default data has 27 guys with a psychology of B or better able to work in the US with a popularity of at least D+ (indicating they work or have worked for a big promotion in America or are over enough in Canada to make up the difference). There's another 20 with a psych of B that have less than a D+, mostly Canadian stars and the occasional indy super-worker. What do these 47 workers have in common? Except for five exceptional talents, every single one of those guys is 30 or older. Based on that, I count about 20 guys in WWE right now over 30 that I'd say they're at B or better psychology. Seriously with a roster like that, try not to succeed!

Oh, for anybody that wants to know who are the freaks of nature with excellent psychology before age 30, here's the US list:
Alicia Strong
Joey Minnesota
Matthew Keith
Samoan Machine
Shooter Sean Deeley

So, modders, what does it take to get psychology that high before age 30? Second generation or family connections for 3 of the 5, and an amateur background for one. Joey Minnesota is just that awesome.

[Self]

For the most part, I'd say great training. Psychology is something that is mostly taught. Second Generation might lead to good charisma, physical skills etc, but it wouldn't necessarily lead to Psychology in my book.

Amateur skill is interesting. You'd certainly have a grasp of 'realism' in a fight... but I'd go with training. Style would also come into it. Flippy-floppy cruiserweights take a hit.

[Jaded]

Not strange, but hella cool - was considering ditching Farrah Hesketh due to her attitude, when she provokes a fight with J-Ro. I fire her, J-Ro becomes loyal to my user character! :)

[FlameSnoopy]

Not strange either. Just saw two not-so-common events pop out.

McFly is a true spokesman of wrestling after appearing in National TV, and when Nene Ebina retired, she opened her own dojo. Cool stuff.

[Benrollo]

Joey Minnesota is such a dick. Signed him for SWF in June after his TCW contract ran out, had him win the NA title in his debut, kept his momentum up real high (think he only lost one match against Vengeance) yet he got pissy after being left off two shows and by the end of August he was asking for his release. But oh no Mr Minnesota, not before I job you out to every man and his dog :cool:

[Boltinho]

Anyone else see the NZ snowboarder at the Olympics who looks just like Rolling Johnny Stones?

I tracked him down to here:

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-snowboard/athletes/james-hamilton_ath1017209VW.html

Uncanny

[Genadi]

Anyone else see the NZ snowboarder at the Olympics who looks just like Rolling Johnny Stones?

I tracked him down to here:

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-snowboard/athletes/james-hamilton_ath1017209VW.html

Uncanny

:eek: That is freaky!

[The Masked Orange]

I find it funny that FAG is conservative.

[Jaded]

Dan Stone Jr just left NOTBPW - my fed. I assumed Dan Sr would re-sign him and DIDN'T start jobbing him left right and centre, stupidly. He did manage to put over Jezza, Johnny Bloodstone, and my user character in his final show, to be fair.

[LoganRodzen]

Damn it to hell! :mad:

Casey Valentine fell into a vat of liquid nitrogen. He was 23 years old... AND HALF OF MY TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS. :(

I somehow overlooked the email and multi-advanced too far. I backed it up to the previous Sunday, but I had gone too far. My own stupidity... what a curve ball. I guess Cameron Vessey is going to go on and become a mega-star in memorial to friend and former partner. :eek:

[LucianCarter]

The Cornellverse must have some pretty lax workplace safety laws.

[EddieFnG]

Damn it to hell! :mad:

Casey Valentine fell into a vat of liquid nitrogen. He was 23 years old... AND HALF OF MY TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS. :(

I somehow overlooked the email and multi-advanced too far. I backed it up to the previous Sunday, but I had gone too far. My own stupidity... what a curve ball. I guess Cameron Vessey is going to go on and become a mega-star in memorial to friend and former partner. :eek:

He'll be the Rey Mysterio of the CVerse.

[LoganRodzen]

At my recent booking after the tragic loss of Casey Valentine... Roddy Remus and Miller Fforde (MAW Boot Camp grad to non-MAW players) became buddies because they bonded and shared their love for surfing. :cool:

[1234]

"Ezekiel Jackson and Paul Burchill have really bonded backstage, having discovered a shared love of classical music"

I love this game :p

[ash1983]

"Ezekiel Jackson and Paul Burchill have really bonded backstage, having discovered a shared love of classical music"

I love this game :p

maybe some more notes are needed though just to freshen things up.
as great as the notes are the continuous notes of bonding due to swedish cinema are starting to get a bit thin

on that note does anyone have any more angles that can be copied into the data file? i know it was done before and someone also made a few extra match types up aswell

[LoNdOn]

Dragon Power died at the age of 29 in December 2010 after suffering serious injuries in a car crash............Not that strange but it was the first I have seen in TEW2010.

[Cadd]

I've always played MAW, and only MAW, since TEW became a game. With others that play or know MAW, I am used to Rip Chord retiring at some point which creates a road agent and popular on-screen worker issue. Thus I am used to that ultimate casualty. Starting with the previous version of TEW, I also had to stomach the next generation Chord eventually becoming the lord of the playpen.

However, I was not used to all of that happening within the first few days of starting the game. Among other strange "worldly" events such as El Rey exploding for no apparent reason the day after all eyes were upon him, my new boss is causing no problems at all. For over two years! American Patriot piloted the company as champion and was repeatedly making the back area a better place.

Everything was going great and my job was becoming rather easy...until, out of nowhere, Jay decided to dive head first into jerk-face mode. He and Patriot get into an "ego" based argument and two new goals pop-up for me. Both instruct that I must basically destroy Patriot's MAW career.

So now, I am having to cater to the guy who has made it an almost guaranteed occurrence every single event to fight with fans and create all sorts of locker room heat. This while having to squash the worker who was putting on great matches, even with his physical ailments, and brought free beers for all...a lot.

Currently, both hate each other and are a negative influence backstage. The exit door widens every show for Bulldozer. The best part is, I'm loving every second of it.

[LucianCarter]

Not so much funny ha as funny odd and sad.

It's now 2016 in my CZCW game.

I've negotiated with Paul Steadyfast a few time over the years but he's always asked more than I was willing to pay him.

I just checked his history. He hasn't been employed by anyone since 2010. He's done nothing but American Independent shows. He's 40 now. He should probably pack it in!

Or write a movie based on his life starring a washed up star who uses it as a comeback vehicle.

[LoganRodzen]

I've always played MAW, and only MAW, since TEW became a game. With others that play or know MAW, I am used to Rip Chord retiring at some point which creates a road agent and popular on-screen worker issue. Thus I am used to that ultimate casualty. Starting with the previous version of TEW, I also had to stomach the next generation Chord eventually becoming the lord of the playpen.

However, I was not used to all of that happening within the first few days of starting the game. Among other strange "worldly" events such as El Rey exploding for no apparent reason the day after all eyes were upon him, my new boss is causing no problems at all. For over two years! American Patriot piloted the company as champion and was repeatedly making the back area a better place.

Everything was going great and my job was becoming rather easy...until, out of nowhere, Jay decided to dive head first into jerk-face mode. He and Patriot get into an "ego" based argument and two new goals pop-up for me. Both instruct that I must basically destroy Patriot's MAW career.

So now, I am having to cater to the guy who has made it an almost guaranteed occurrence every single event to fight with fans and create all sorts of locker room heat. This while having to squash the worker who was putting on great matches, even with his physical ailments, and brought free beers for all...a lot.

Currently, both hate each other and are a negative influence backstage. The exit door widens every show for Bulldozer. The best part is, I'm loving every second of it.

I know the feeling. Jay is such a little prick! :p

[Self]

BSC & AAA just signed a working agreement... Is that odd? It seems odd?

Also managed to pick up Steve Frehely, mysteriously let go from his SWF contract. 3 weeks into working for me he signed for TCW. I gave him a nice exit, main eventing a Friday Night Pay Per View, before he headed to TCW for their Sunday Night PPV... where he promptly destroyed Rocky Golden for the World Heavyweight Title.

[LucianCarter]

Steve Frehely, mysteriously let go from his SWF contract.

This comes up a lot. Frehely is too Conservative for SWF in 2010.

[praguepride]

He's not a part of their "new, edgier direction."

Kinda like Kurt Angle...

[The Masked Orange]

He's not a part of their "new, edgier direction."

Kinda like Kurt Angle...

But without the talent.

[LoNdOn]

But without the talent.

When you hand out ass whoopings like Frehely does, charisma doesn't matter :p

[The Masked Orange]

I got fed up and edited Richard's personality so that I could change the product. Too punish myself I gave TCW +10 momentum. That's how my system works. :)

[The Masked Orange]

Frankie Perez and ----- have bonded over a love of surfing.

the "-----" is in white here: Ric Young

It made me laugh.

[SeanMcFly]

Not a strange event but... Mark Griffin & Louie Scorpio have the same pictures :D

[Comradebot]

Not a strange event but... Mark Griffin & Louie Scorpio have the same pictures :D

Nah, they have different lighting. Changes everything.:p

[hellshock70]

Not sure if this is just a random event or a random game bug.

I'm currently in August of 2010, two months ago SWF achieved Global status. But when August began they crashed to Cult status. Like I said not sure if this was just a random thing but they were also at war or openly hostile with TCW (international), CGC (national) and PGHW (international).

But in my 3 test runs with different promotions before I learned enough to keep going past March LOL They were extremely difficult to deal with when it came to establishing a positive relationship. Maybe they just got slammed on 3 fronts?

[Moe Hunter]

I got fed up and edited Richard's personality so that I could change the product. Too punish myself I gave TCW +10 momentum. That's how my system works. :)

Why not just change the product from the editor?

[The Masked Orange]

Why not just change the product from the editor?

I thought about that, and forgot it shortly after. :(

I know what to do NXT time. :D

[Hyde Hill]

[/B]

In other news, the sky is blue.

It really is saddening that, after all these years of TEW, modmakers still grossly over-inflate stats in real world mods.

Folks should do everything in their power to go, look at the C-Verse, and base their workers' stats accordingly. There's no reason that Jeff Hardy should be much better than, say, Brett Biggz.

This is why as soon as i get the game and time I am making a real world mod based of the C-Verse. Say 70 workers at the start of Jan 2010 have a B/80 in brawling then only 70 will have it in the real world, same goes for overness taking into account the highest region(s). So Mystico is not an A in Mexico but a B- ala Champagne Lover.

Edit lol just read your post Remi and yes I would limit the number of promotions and number of workers as I am not a completionist. The only big difference would be it would be more US centered.

As for strange events Phoenix 1 took Gino Montero as his protoge! Lol like he a) needs it and b) try stealing him now SOTBW or MPHW!

[Comradebot]

So...

Herb Staley signed a developmental deal with RIPW and the very next day I have a show (which will be Herb Staley's last).

Herb Staley ripped off a powerful fart, so... I've decided to fire him. He both dislikes me and is VERY HAPPY with my handling of said farting incident.

EDIT:Also, said fart incident is a positive backstage.

[Sensai of Mattitude]

Silver Shark is suffering from a split personality after a freak incident involving a llama.

I dread to think.

[Cadd]

So...

Herb Staley signed a developmental deal with RIPW and the very next day I have a show (which will be Herb Staley's last).

Herb Staley ripped off a powerful fart, so... I've decided to fire him. He both dislikes me and is VERY HAPPY with my handling of said farting incident.

EDIT:Also, said fart incident is a positive backstage.

Awesome stuff...I think it would be a 'gas' if a worker let one go and then blamed it on another backstage, (I know, more of a suggestion).
For example, Giant Brody unleashing a jalapeno-induced barrage and blaming it on Joanna Silver. Creating some negative back area heat between the two of course.

[The Masked Orange]

Dan Stone Jr. just became head booker of PGHW.

[Animalxer]

Not a strange event but... Mark Griffin & Louie Scorpio have the same pictures :D

Phillipe LaGrenier is like an evil version of Kirk Jameson, I've always found :P

[The Masked Orange]

Christian Faith and ANGRY Gilmore just bonded over a love of meditation.

Faith, is very believable, but ANGRY Gilmore performing meditation? Really?

[Sagitta]

Was playing the Know Your Role mod, just screwing around, and decided to bankrup/destroy WWE and TNA via the editor so I could boost the global fed I'd created's ranks while mucking about seeing how things played.

Every single worker I poached from TNA would get fired by them after they signed a written contract with me.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Meanwhile Vinnie Mac just let his workers ride out until they jumped ship without any qualms.

Apparently Dixie Carter is a bigger jerk than Vince McMahon.

[alphadraighon]

Not strange so much as frustrating.

I was playing a goof around game with SWF, and tried to sign Bryan Vessey. I finally get an offer set that he doesn't outright object to, but tells me that BHOTWG is offering more money. So I up the money...and keep upping it. It never seems to be enough, BHOTWG always over bids me. I finally reach the cap that Jerry Eisen (who is now in charge of the company) is willing to let me spend, which is $60,000. Since this isn't enough, I decide that I'm curious what it would take to get him. So I start upping everything else, until I'm offering 50% on merchandise and 50% PPV bonus, creative control, main event title, and no house shows. He still says that the BHOTWG offer is better.

I'm kinda glad I was forced out, because I didn't really want to pay quite that much for any single worker.

Afterwards, I checked through the editor to see what he was making with BHOTWG: $65000.

On a side note, there's a worker I really wanted, and tried to negotiate with him. He wanted $175000 a month. I didn't even try.

[cyberkitten01]

Every single worker I poached from TNA would get fired by them after they signed a written contract with me.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

I'm confused. If you've signed someone to a written deal, he has to end all his other PPA contracts before joining your roster. Is that what you mean?

Whereas WWE are all on Written deals, so you would only be able to sign them when their contracts expire

[BHK1978]

Not strange so much as frustrating.

I was playing a goof around game with SWF, and tried to sign Bryan Vessey. I finally get an offer set that he doesn't outright object to, but tells me that BHOTWG is offering more money. So I up the money...and keep upping it. It never seems to be enough, BHOTWG always over bids me. I finally reach the cap that Jerry Eisen (who is now in charge of the company) is willing to let me spend, which is $60,000. Since this isn't enough, I decide that I'm curious what it would take to get him. So I start upping everything else, until I'm offering 50% on merchandise and 50% PPV bonus, creative control, main event title, and no house shows. He still says that the BHOTWG offer is better.

I'm kinda glad I was forced out, because I didn't really want to pay quite that much for any single worker.

Afterwards, I checked through the editor to see what he was making with BHOTWG: $65000.

On a side note, there's a worker I really wanted, and tried to negotiate with him. He wanted $175000 a month. I didn't even try.

This is what bothers me with the WMMA2 game. You can offer the moon to someone and they still sign with the computer company.

I'm confused. If you've signed someone to a written deal, he has to end all his other PPA contracts before joining your roster. Is that what you mean?

Whereas WWE are all on Written deals, so you would only be able to sign them when their contracts expire

You know an odd thing happened in my game. Stomper signed a written agreement with the SWF and still remained owner of NYCW under a PPA contract. And he worked for both companies for a while, all though that was under the first patch so maybe it would not happen again.

[Dragonmack]

Had my first 'Kenny' death in my dynasty game. 20 yr old American Flash was killed when he wandered onto a javelin field and got impaled like a pincushion by several javelins.

[Dragonmack]

You know an odd thing happened in my game. Stomper signed a written agreement with the SWF and still remained owner of NYCW under a PPA contract. And he worked for both companies for a while, all though that was under the first patch so maybe it would not happen again.

You sure Stomper isn't under a ppa contract with SWF? He seems to get signed by SWF in most games I have seen but it is always a ppa, as the game can't give a written to an owner of another promotion. Same as the player.

[Comradebot]

This one is a bit odd...

Dan Stone Sr left the business, and who is in charge?

Not Victoria!

Instead, Dan Stone Jr has taken the helm.

[evileddie10]

Victoria Stone takes over NOTBPW. Sean McFly leaves NOTBPW 2 months later. One week later McFly starts CWWF. One Month later CWWF declare war on NOTBPW.

This means several akward dinner conversation at the McFly-Stone household

[BHK1978]

You sure Stomper isn't under a ppa contract with SWF? He seems to get signed by SWF in most games I have seen but it is always a ppa, as the game can't give a written to an owner of another promotion. Same as the player.

He is under a developmental deal which I assumed was a written contract. Wasn't all developmental contracts written in the 08 version? Maybe I am wrong then.

[Derek B]

He is under a developmental deal which I assumed was a written contract. Wasn't all developmental contracts written in the 08 version? Maybe I am wrong then.

It's a loophole that the AI currently can exploit... they somehow have the ability to sign development deals with guys like The Stomer and Cliff Anderson, which under normal circumstances would mean they'd have to leave the promotion but because they are owners their contracts can't expire. Humans have checks to avoid that happening, the AI doesn't.

[Instant Classic]

Kurt Angle ripped the world's stinkiest far and no one would go into the locker room for half an hour... what action do I want to take?

Weird.

[Comradebot]

Kurt Angle ripped the world's stinkiest far and no one would go into the locker room for half an hour... what action do I want to take?

Weird.

I just had Bas Hagen rip one in my EWA game... decided to take no action, and he thanked for not over-reacting. Made him happy enough to not be a backstage problem for the time being.

[TracyBrooksFan]

The Undertaker put together and won a video game tournament for my 2002 game

[shamelessposer]

Victoria Stone takes over NOTBPW. Sean McFly leaves NOTBPW 2 months later. One week later McFly starts CWWF. One Month later CWWF declare war on NOTBPW.

This means several akward dinner conversation at the McFly-Stone household

It's like Mr. & Mrs. Smith, only with more people willing to do horribly violent things to one another for money.

[BHK1978]

It's a loophole that the AI currently can exploit... they somehow have the ability to sign development deals with guys like The Stomer and Cliff Anderson, which under normal circumstances would mean they'd have to leave the promotion but because they are owners their contracts can't expire. Humans have checks to avoid that happening, the AI doesn't.

Okay so I am not insane, and it is not an error! Thanks for telling me that Derek.

[Hyde Hill]

It's a loophole that the AI currently can exploit... they somehow have the ability to sign development deals with guys like The Stomer and Cliff Anderson, which under normal circumstances would mean they'd have to leave the promotion but because they are owners their contracts can't expire. Humans have checks to avoid that happening, the AI doesn't.

Is said loophole still active if you have non aggression or working agreement with them that they can sign workers to dev deals or has that been stopped?

[Derek B]

Is said loophole still active if you have non aggression or working agreement with them that they can sign workers to dev deals or has that been stopped?

As far as I can tell development deals don't go through the parent company, they go through the child promotion. So if you want the SWF to stop signing your guys away you need to get pacts with both the SWF and RIPW. It's a pain, but Adam at least knows about it... it would probably take a fair amount of re-coding to change the way they're done but it's out there.

[Dragonmack]

This one is a bit odd...

Dan Stone Sr left the business, and who is in charge?

Not Victoria!

Instead, Dan Stone Jr has taken the helm.

I've seen both Jeremy and Victoria take over. For all I know each has a random chance. There may even be times when Duane or Edd take over! :eek:

[dPro]

Not as strange as just the most talented Mentor/protege duo in the history of the world:

Angry Gilmore has take Davis Wayne Newton under his wings as a protege.

[FlameSnoopy]

Xavier Reckless presents:

CWWF.

[dPro]

TCW just signed Jim Force. Good luck with that!

Edit: I think Cornell is tired of running his promotion. The same day as Force, he signed Leper Messiah, Roger Cage and Lead Belly.

[FlameSnoopy]

I never thought Vince McMahon would do karaoke.. Well, we learn new every day aye?

[FINisher]

I never thought Vince McMahon would do karaoke.. Well, we learn new every day aye?

Stand back! :D

[FlameSnoopy]

Stand back! :D

There's a Hurricane coming through?

..

:eek:

[FINisher]

There's a Hurricane coming through?

..

:eek:

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOMV3-9n_s 2.00 ->

[FlameSnoopy]

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOMV3-9n_s 2.00 ->

Oh yeah, forgot about that..

But still..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vocEGV9PNw&NR=1

[LucianCarter]

I find it funny that anyone who's contract is up for negotiation is a top star according to the news site.

I just laugh when I see "Rumor has it that top WWE star Kung Fu Naki has been offered a new contract extension."