Damaged goods

[James Casey]

With '10 so close, I'm sure most people are winding down games in '08 - or have given up all together!

For some of us, '08 has been a part of our lives for the last eighteen months, and we've come to know it inside and out. Some of the workers can feel like family. Others... not so much.

For me, I struggle to imagine a situation where I could ever trust Casey Valentine with a push in the new game. He's been a pain in the backside for me for eighteen months, unable to justify the money he earns, the push he 'warrants' or his unshakable position on the MAW roster. I've tried to keep him relatively strong to cope with what would have been the owner goals if I'd played Straight Edge, but I would have loved to just can him.

It's a shame as he was a bright star for me in '07, on the cusp of becoming a major player when '08 was released, and I had high hopes - but he's just been a letdown in almost every match I've put him in.

So, who will you be ignoring in '10 after they failed their auditions in the last game?

[NoNeck]

I hear you about Casey Valentine, JC. He even looks like a d-bag to boot. :)

I will avoid Rocky Golden like a public toilet seat forever more. And not because he's been a backstage cancer, but moreso because I can't wrap my mind around who he is and how to book him properly. I even tried to turn him into a Goldust knock-off, something especially different, and found myself bored and unsure with even that character. There's just something about him I can't figure out.

I had the same problem with KC Glenn. The guy has all the room in the world to grow into a servicable upper-carder but for some reason I cannot figure out what to do with him. And that for me is usually the end of any interest I have in them.

Sometimes the renders really set me on a path, creatively, while other times they stump me totally.

[Sudo_Nym]

Stevie Grayson and Air Attack Weasel. Both look so great, but every time I try to hire them, they always turn out to be more expensive then they're worth.

[Comradebot]

Stevie Grayson and Air Attack Weasel. Both look so great, but every time I try to hire them, they always turn out to be more expensive then they're worth.

The Weasel is ALWAYS worth it.

Best seller in the game, period.

Grayson, though? Unless I'm Cult or higher, or rolling in cash, I ignore him.

[NoNeck]

I forgot about Stevie "Cena-Head" Grayson.

For a big promotion he's a waste of space, especially if you're looking for someone to push.

Maybe as job fodder.

[Stennick]

I always use Grayson to job in my cruiser/t.v title area. He's got the name value to put over lower rated guys. Ota, Grayson, Griffith, etc are all my go to guys to put over my Devine's, Champions, Davids, etc.

[lazorbeak]

I will avoid Rocky Golden like a public toilet seat forever more. And not because he's been a backstage cancer, but moreso because I can't wrap my mind around who he is and how to book him properly. I even tried to turn him into a Goldust knock-off, something especially different, and found myself bored and unsure with even that character. There's just something about him I can't figure out.

Golden is frustrating because his star quality is so off the charts amazing but he doesn't really have any other skills and there isn't really a naturally fitting gimmick for him. I had a similar experience where I brought him into SWF (signing away the then TCW champion), but despite what should have been a landmark signing, I couldn't find anything to do for him. At first I decided to job him down the card to team with Valiant in the tag division, but he had awful chemistry with Valiant in the house shows. But the great thing was, even though he spent a solid year in limbo before I gave him a push as North American champion, he was so easy to keep over despite doing next to nothing. But since SWF already has a guy like that, but better (Joe Sexy), Golden's not really worth it.

I don't know I'm a weird guy in that I never learn my lesson. New game, new slate. I'm looking forward to running SWF and trying to keep Remo under control while he calls people stupid and spits at fans and otherwise acts like the world's biggest jerk. It's a tricky balancing act, since with the new features he can make the whole locker room worse, but on the other hand he's too big a star to just let him go to TCW, since it would hurt our prestige.

Basically I want to build up a bunch of guys into superstars, and then pal around with them Eric Bischoff style while they piss off all the old-timers like Enforcer Roberts (who is kind of a jerk anyway).

[Stennick]

I always looked at Golden as the C Verse's Lex Luger. Great look, superstar quality out the ying yang but barely any talent at all. So I just book him as that a power guy that with a great look.

[FINisher]

Takayuki 2000 and Kiminoku Kuroki. With all these new features concerning backstage moral, worker relations and personalities taken into effect, I just don't see these two surviving long in my GCG, should I start a save with them.

A lot of this is down to speculation; We have no idea what the gameworld will be like, not even the guys on the dev team I've heard as they've just been playing with a converted TEW08 database. Who knows if Takayuki 2000 and Kuroki have become great friends with the owner of GCG whoever that might be. Perhaps daddy Furusawa has died and Mabuchi has taken over, you never know..

[lazorbeak]

I always looked at Golden as the C Verse's Lex Luger. Great look, superstar quality out the ying yang but barely any talent at all. So I just book him as that a power guy that with a great look.

Well for me at least I see his A* star quality and I'm like "there's my next world champion!" But then he gets a gimmick rating of C+ and he can't do better than a B when he's in the ring with Christian Faith himself despite both of them being pretty over and having good momentum. I get the sense that he would be one of the very best guys to build a growing cult promotion around: he would be booked like the second coming of Sam Strong in a promotion like USPW.

[Bigpapa42]

I had Golden get an A* match with Faith, actually. Not long after I added Golden in my SWF diary. Faith was A* at the time, but Golden was only about B+ or A over.

Lex Luger is the vision I always used for Golden as well. A guy with a look who could talk a bit, but is really only going to look good in the ring when he's against a great worker. In retrospect, I should have put Golden into development for 2-3 months before debuting him, at which point he likely would have been signficantly more useful.

There are a number of workers I signed in games who I wouldn't add again, but it was usually due to them not having in use in that promotion (for various reasons) rather than the worker themselves being useless.

[BuddyGarner]

Their are no damaged goods because workers tend to vary drastically in importance between versions. The Runaway Train from TEW 08 is a lot better than 07 because of the Menace stat for instance. And don't even mention the change from '04 to '05.

[Gigas]

Whenever I play USPW I always forget about Des Davids.

And I agree about Grayson. Not good enough for bigger feds and too expensive for cheaper ones.

[FINisher]

You know what I love. Whenever I mention something about non-US Cornellverse, no one ever replies to anything I've just said as they just keep speaking about USPW/SWF/TCW guys. :D

Pisses me off. We need more love for Japan! Mexico! UK! Europe! I really hope that I could somehow lure more people into playing something other than US-based feds on TEW10.

[foolinc]

I don't really have anybody I wouldn't give a second chance to, but Xaiver Reckless might be that guy. That douche just can't keep his mouth shut.

[James Casey]

You know what I love. Whenever I mention something about non-US Cornellverse, no one ever replies to anything I've just said as they just keep speaking about USPW/SWF/TCW guys. :D


For you, FIN, I promise to try out Mexico in '10. It's the one continent I've not at least looked at in the last two games.

[Sudo_Nym]

For you, FIN, I promise to try out Mexico in '10. It's the one continent I've not at least looked at in the last two games.

Somebody needs a geography refresher course.

[TEWFan]

I play Mexico. Only two guys come to mind: The Luna Twins. For some reason I always hire them and try to turn them into a good team, but they always fail to deliver good matches or get over. Something similar happens with the Cano Brothers. I like their look, but they never seem to get over.

The opposite happens with El Hijo del Mephisto. He has a good look, gets over reasonably fast, but fails to deliver in the ring.

[mattman1624]

I forget if Kuroki was causing trouble, but I did can him in my most recent GCG game. I think he wanted a lot of money, and had been a problem, so I let him go to improve the backstage morale.

[Sonfaro]

If theres a way to fire Emerald Angel without ticking off the higher ups of WLW, I'll do it. You're 21 moron. What do you need creative control for? :mad:

- Sonfaro

[angeldelayette]

Two words: Jay Chord.

Need I say more?

[BuddyGarner]

You know what I love. Whenever I mention something about non-US Cornellverse, no one ever replies to anything I've just said as they just keep speaking about USPW/SWF/TCW guys. :D

Pisses me off. We need more love for Japan! Mexico! UK! Europe! I really hope that I could somehow lure more people into playing something other than US-based feds on TEW10.

How could anyone not love PGHW wrestling and their god roster? :confused: United States has the more fun products though, you can have your top stars wrestle every single day and not have them get fatigued.

[MrOnu]

Ed Larkins aka Phenomenal E. F that guy !

Maybe some people remember my short lived 4C diary, but in this one, even before I could run my very first show, that idiot gets caught for using steroïds ! I kissed my prestige bye-bye as it went down to zero. I hate Larkins with a passion now.

[KingOfKings]

I'm praying for a Sports Entertainment comedy based Joshi promotion to have debuted. I just can't get into the serious Joshi wrestlers in 5SSW, I always want to stay far far away from them.

[Comradebot]

Takayuki 2000 and Kiminoku Kuroki. With all these new features concerning backstage moral, worker relations and personalities taken into effect, I just don't see these two surviving long in my GCG, should I start a save with them.

A lot of this is down to speculation; We have no idea what the gameworld will be like, not even the guys on the dev team I've heard as they've just been playing with a converted TEW08 database. Who knows if Takayuki 2000 and Kuroki have become great friends with the owner of GCG whoever that might be. Perhaps daddy Furusawa has died and Mabuchi has taken over, you never know..

In my defense, Japan is the ONLY area of the C-Verse I don't have too much knowledge in. The only longterm Japanese game I've ever played was in the 75 mod with QUEST.

I will say that, in Europe, I'm not too fond of Dr. Insane. His off the chart charisma is counteracted by poor Star Quality, which makes me think "wow, this guy is gonna ROCK in EWA!!!" And then he never gets any more over, despite his microphone skills, and then he starts causing backstage problems and demanding title shots. But I can't justify giving the man a title, on account that every storyline he's in falls to crap, even when the angles are based soley on his ability to work a microphone.

The only real use I've found for him is to train up other folks' ability to talk on the microphone, and he's not bad as a mentor/manager sorta figure. I think what annoys me the most is the fact I've gotten guys like The Idaho Punisher over in SE feds (who has significantly less SQ, no charisma, on average Menace, and, well... is a somewhat better wrestler than Dr. Insane). Meanwhile, Doctor Insane just falls flat.

Oh well, guess I'll give him ANOTHER try once UCR is up and running in that there 2005 C-Verse mod.

[wrestlingfan#1]

As its been mentioned Xavier Reckless, unless he has a new and improved attitude in '10. I like to sign Reckless and Fearless Blue keep them in development for awhile then bring them up to the main roster as a tag team only to have X turn on Blue, ala the rockers, but with a reverse outcome Blue ends up becoming the bigger star (mainly due to better alts).

[Steam☆Odin]

Pretty much everyone, I still havent put together an A match :(

[Zergon]

I´m still quite new with this game and only played in Australia so far but two wrestlers comes to my mind as guys I wouldn´t hire.

Big Daddy Horne: Can only play heel monster role and isn´t particularty great in that role either (Kinda like Great Khali now that I think of it)

Debonair David Peterson: One of the best wrestlers in Australia but huge problem in backstage. In my last APW game I had 5 backstage insidents in little over the year and 4 of them was caused by Peterson.

[Remianen]

A lot of this is down to speculation; We have no idea what the gameworld will be like, not even the guys on the dev team I've heard as they've just been playing with a converted TEW08 database.

Check yer butt. I think someone's blowing smoke up it ;)

As usual, Devil's Daughter. I don't know why I even bothered since she had the same problem in 07. But she's dead to me in 2010.

[Derek B]

Check yer butt. I think someone's blowing smoke up it ;)

As usual, Devil's Daughter. I don't know why I even bothered since she had the same problem in 07. But she's dead to me in 2010.

Hah, yeah... people are gullible. We've had the database for more than a month now and we know exactly how awesome it is. My personal favourite change is that one that is the most awesome. It's awesome. :D

[Self]

Jacob Jett. I've hired him time and time again, and I've come to realise I will never use him as anything more than a job guy, and he's too expensive for that.

[Dragonmack]

Ryan Powell. granted it may just have been a lousy destiny stat in that one game but I tried everything I could to get Powell over in my CGC game and he stunk up the joint consistently.

Dan DaLay would have been another one after he stunk in his run in my NYCW game, but he redeemed himself in the CGC game with excellent performances.

Rodger Dodger. I dont care how awesome his entertainment skills are, there is NO justification to be spending $1500 a month on a small promotion sized enhancement jobber. With time and work he MAY develop into a god, but any small company would go broke trying with that salary and his match grades still suck. He needs to be in a SWF or CGC as a jobber where he could maybe get a legitimate chance to see if he is the next Miz or not.

[HAHJRB]

Hah, yeah... people are gullible. We've had the database for more than a month now and we know exactly how awesome it is. My personal favourite change is that one that is the most awesome. It's awesome. :D

Way to rub it in there guys. I think you just like to bring out our jealousy.:rolleyes:

[ironfist]

Takayuki 2000 and Kiminoku Kuroki. With all these new features concerning backstage moral, worker relations and personalities taken into effect, I just don't see these two surviving long in my GCG, should I start a save with them.

GCG is possibly my favorite fed to run, has been since 07. I'll tell you now that Kuroki has been dead to me for awhile now. The guy just lacks that something that's really needed to get over and despite the loyalty thing is a massive prick... I always end up giving him the boot in 08, even in games when I'm trying to keep the guy around. Now on the other hand Takayuki 2000 is somebody that I've always had a solid use for even going so far as to eventually make him champion after a name change to Golden Tayuki in my last game in 08 where he was the self proclaimed Golden Boy of Golden Canvas.

On a side note... is this the year that Toshiharu Hyobanshi finally starts the game as GCG World Heavyweight Champion?

[KingOfKings]

Jacob Jett. I've hired him time and time again, and I've come to realise I will never use him as anything more than a job guy, and he's too expensive for that.

My sentiments exactly. Hired him in my CZCW game to be the next world champ. The guy is stuck at C+ momentum and midcard status. I had such high hopes for him and he never comes through despite numberous victories and lower card title reigns. I can't release him because he can actually put on a decent match. He has such a great look to him and it sucks he's stuck where he is.

[TEWFan]

After that post, Derek B is my new hero!

[cappyboy]

Hah, yeah... people are gullible. We've had the database for more than a month now and we know exactly how awesome it is. My personal favourite change is that one that is the most awesome. It's awesome. :D

Dude, these kinds of posts are so cruel. It makes me want to get you the way I did 'Banger in GDS Mafia. :)

[Showtime4Lajf]

I don't really have anybody I wouldn't give a second chance to, but Xaiver Reckless might be that guy. That douche just can't keep his mouth shut.

This.

However, I would agree with those saying that there is such a change from version to version that you really can't determine how big of a role certain guys are going to play in a version you haven't played yet.
I recall Thomas Morgan being such a great guy to have around... Now nobody gives the poor guy a break anymore because of the change in game mechanics and the evolution of the database.

But yeah, Reckless will probably not be worth the match quality he can produce, so with the new locker room dynamics he's the one guy who won't even get a shot.

[thedraem41]

With the new game mechanics (Even though I rarely play American companies) I guess Big Smack Scott will be regulated to working Indys as he is a HUGE locker room cancer.

[goldendragon]

Dont really have anyone to ignore but I do feel like I owe El Diamante a title run when a real world mod comes out. Had my own promotion that was similar to RoH in size and we'd just gone national. Davey Richards had been my champ for close to 2 years and since day 1 Diamante had been built into a main eventer and kept strong ready to be the nxt champ and my 1st home grown, he was about 3 months away from getting the belt at the anniversary show.

[praguepride]

The L.W.A piss me off to no end. I try to be nice and hire them, but their demands for salaries are OUTRAGEOUS!

[G-Prime]

I will avoid Rocky Golden like a public toilet seat forever more. And not because he's been a backstage cancer, but moreso because I can't wrap my mind around who he is and how to book him properly. I even tried to turn him into a Goldust knock-off, something especially different, and found myself bored and unsure with even that character. There's just something about him I can't figure out.


I, on the other hand, turned him into an arrogant heel, and had him takeover the Syndicate, and he's one of my favourites ever since.

[Bolton]

With the new game mechanics (Even though I rarely play American companies) I guess Big Smack Scott will be regulated to working Indys as he is a HUGE locker room cancer.

Nah. He'll be at the top of the SWF...or damn near his way up there anyway. :datsmacker

[James Casey]

I hope very much he's in SWF still. I have plans for him...

[TeemuFoundation]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

[FINisher]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

You're missing the point.

[Midnightnick]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

The thing about it is, to make a change like that to the data can throw everything out of wack. The data is set up just right.

[James Casey]

Yeah, but that's editting. We want our favourite wrestlers to succeed, for our support to be vindicated.

[TeemuFoundation]

You're missing the point.
Obviously.

[Bolton]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

Editing is for the weak. CornellVerse is where it is.

:p

[TeemuFoundation]

Editing is for the weak. CornellVerse is where it is.

:p
That's like saying that when you're moving, using the elevator is for the weak, carrying all your furniture down from the 6th floor through the stairs is where it's at. As in, feel free to do things your way and I'll gladly accept my role as the weak one because it makes life more enjoyable for me.

[Stennick]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

A lot of us look at the C Verse as if it were a story of sorts. Of course we all have our favorite characters in the story and we have high hopes for where they turn out but when the new book is released the fun is although we hope these characters go in the direction we want them to the fun is seeing where they DID go. Sometimes we don't like it, sometimes we do but even when we're not happy about things (Dave closing) it gives us a twisted sense of interest to explore the rest of the world and how this one event we didn't like may turn into something we love in another part of the world.

You do have some people that want to bring DAVE back or start their own promotion and thats fine. However there is a large group of us that although we say we hope this or that happens in reality what we mean is we can't wait for the next part of the story to unfold.

Luckily there is an editor for guys like you though that make their own mods from scratch so they can be perfectly tuned your gameplay likings. Thats the great thing about text sims is really they can be whatever you want them to.

[Self]

I've never quite understood the desire for your favourite guy to be champ either... although for completely different reasons. I'd rather see Edd Stone kick off 2010 in the gutter with 0 popularity and a broken leg than be world champ. I want to push him to the top myself. There's no challenge if he's already a top guy.

I agree with Stennick though. The C-Verse is a story, a saga, and it's 'Official'. You can write all the Harry Potter fan-fiction you want, but Harry is never really going to end up with Hermoine.

(... unless he does, I don't read the books)

[Midnightnick]

I've never quite understood the desire for your favourite guy to be champ either... although for completely different reasons. I'd rather see Edd Stone kick off 2010 in the gutter with 0 popularity and a broken leg than be world champ. I want to push him to the top myself. There's no challenge if he's already a top guy.

I agree with Stennick though. The C-Verse is a story, a saga, and it's 'Official'. You can write all the Harry Potter fan-fiction you want, but Harry is never really going to end up with Hermoine.

(... unless he does, I don't read the books)

(He didn't)

[Stennick]

Their are 82 people viewing this thread and its seven a.m my time right now. Wow I fear for what nine or ten a.m may bring. Or even worse release day could get hectic. Its kinda cool I wasn't paying much attention to the site when TEW08 got released. I stumbled online a few days before the release saw it was released and got it. I've never seen this place is full panic mode I hope it burns the severs to the ground out of a panic stricken desire to have this game..... I keed....I keed.

[cappyboy]

I agree with Stennick though. The C-Verse is a story, a saga, and it's 'Official'. You can write all the Harry Potter fan-fiction you want, but Harry is never really going to end up with Hermoine.

(... unless he does, I don't read the books)

No. You're right on all counts. I won't ruin who ends up with whom blindly but both your point and example are dead on.

[cappyboy]

Their are 82 people viewing this thread and its seven a.m my time right now. Wow I fear for what nine or ten a.m may bring. Or even worse release day could get hectic. Its kinda cool I wasn't paying much attention to the site when TEW08 got released.

I hear you. Adam was noting that the Grey Dog staff charged with the actual release is in Arizona. Which means it's about 5:10 AM where they are as I post this. The release staff is likely still asleep right now. Early afternoon EST is likely to be a mob scene here. That's when I'd look for servers to melt down if they are going to.

[Nedew]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?

You can also scribble out bits you don't like in books, but it's not the same as the original author doing it is it?

[Bigpapa42]

You can also scribble out bits you don't like in books, but it's not the same as the original author doing it is it?

Good analogy.

[benjacko]

I'm a Cornellverse fan all the way, it's built to suit the game extremely well and having been playing since the first TEW, i've loved seeing my favourites progress, the ones I dislike plummet, promotions die and emerge and seeing the game world develop over time.

Anyway back on topic ;)

I've always been a glutton for hiring/pushing people I know will be extremely disruptive and a cancer backstage, I just can't see past the certain skill(s) they might have i.e Big Smack, Jay Chord and Brandon James

[James Casey]

Don't have the game in front of me, and I've sen this a couple of times lately:

Are Brandon James and Remo big problems backstage?

In fact, does SWF have a cluster of troublemakers backstage?

[Bigpapa42]

Don't have the game in front of me, and I've sen this a couple of times lately:

Are Brandon James and Remo big problems backstage?

In fact, does SWF have a cluster of troublemakers backstage?

By memory, Remo earns the "occasionally causes problems with his attitude" note, but I never had a single problem with him. The SWF has enough strong locker room leaders that I really only ever had problems with the most negative personalities - Big Smack Scott, Eric Tyler, and Jay Chord.

[The Shape]

Brandon's creative control I've had a few problems with, he's got a hell of an ego on him that wasn't helped by the fact that in my game he got over insanely fast despite not being used particularly high up the card.

[James Casey]

Fair enough. I'll stock up on leaders, or go heavy on the backstage control stat.

[benjacko]

James, if you do a SWF diary for TEW10, it'll be interesting seeing if you can get a handle on things backstage or if it descends into chaos which would make it extremely interesting :)

[The Chosen One]

With the new game mechanics (Even though I rarely play American companies) I guess Big Smack Scott will be regulated to working Indys as he is a HUGE locker room cancer.

Nah it doesn't work like that, You can keep him around for what he produces, or if you like him, or if he has friends...

Just like real life

[The Chosen One]

I don't play the CornellVerse, but a lot of people here do and often times when a new TEW is coming out people here are hoping and wishing stuff like a certain wrestler being a part of a certain promotion, being Champion and whatnot and it's always confused me.

Uh, guys, there's the editor that comes with the game?


Its because its a story... thats like waiting for LOST, or another show, to come back and waiting anxiously for certain characters to do certain things, and then you turning around and saying, "You know you could just use photoshop to make Sawyer and Kate end up together?"

[praguepride]

Its because its a story... thats like waiting for LOST, or another show, to come back and waiting anxiously for certain characters to do certain things, and then you turning around and saying, "You know you could just use photoshop to make Sawyer and Kate end up together?"

Don't feed the trolls ;)

[Stennick]

Don't feed the trolls ;)



Thumbs Up!

[Woodsmeister]

its on the main page guys :)

[LoganRodzen]

its on the main page guys :)

I wasn't going to post anything. The DL is already slow enough due to the site traffic. :p This is by far the biggest TEW install I've ever seen.