As Real As It Gets 1993 Beta 1.1 Release!

[andyemmy]

http://asrealasitgets1993.blogspot.com/

Hi all. You can download the mod by following the above link. There is a link on our site to the mod itself.

For the best results with our data, we advise you play with debut fighters starting at 0-0, as none of our fighters have records, since they debut in the game at the same time as they debuted in real life.

Thanks for your patience. Please note that this mod is not finished (not even nearly finished in fact) and a lot of the data is inaccurate.

Hope you enjoy!

[smokey al]

congrats on getting this released! :)

[Gedger]

Finally! :)

Waited for this since WMMA1. Downloading right now and testing it

[Synticha]

The release of this data made me question my current dynasty :D I'm glad to see "Bubi" Wallenius and Jari Porttila in this data ;D

[andyemmy]

Glad people are testing it out, hope you all like it! Also glad to see people are appreciating the diversity of the characters in the mod. We wanted to make sure every nationality in the game was covered as best we could
If anyone fancies making logos and banners for the mod it would be nice. We do have some made which we will release further down the line when they are finished, but the ones we made are very amateur looking, as we have no design experience at all :)

[lain]

Rigan Machado's bio doesn't say when he debuts.

[Zoloftjunkie]

I really want to try this mod out as its the first one to intrest me but I have a question before I do. Does the mod effect the data base in a way that would mess with the saved game I have going now? And if I wanted to start a new game would it always be the mods database or can I start it with the orig?

[andyemmy]

I really want to try this mod out as its the first one to intrest me but I have a question before I do. Does the mod effect the data base in a way that would mess with the saved game I have going now? And if I wanted to start a new game would it always be the mods database or can I start it with the orig?

Im not too sure what you mean. You can't use your current saved game with our mod as it is a different database with different fighters and things. You can start a new game with our mod and then switch back to the original data to play your original save but you couldnt merge the two.

[andyemmy]

Rigan Machado's bio doesn't say when he debuts.

Thanks for that. Perfect example of the data not being up to scratch yet :) Will fix it for the next release, cheers for letting us know.

[petecrimson00]

I really want to try this mod out as its the first one to intrest me but I have a question before I do. Does the mod effect the data base in a way that would mess with the saved game I have going now? And if I wanted to start a new game would it always be the mods database or can I start it with the orig?

its a different database, it would not effect the default data if you install it correctly. Save games go to whichever database you are playing

[Tag01]

Having made mods myself, I don't want to be overly critical. But some of these stats/fighting styles seem random. Aaron Simpson and Zach Light are wrestlers, but they're both listed as kick boxers with primarily standup skills.

[Nodachi]

Having made mods myself, I don't want to be overly critical. But some of these stats/fighting styles seem random. Aaron Simpson and Zach Light are wrestlers, but they're both listed as kick boxers with primarily standup skills.

Having made mods yourself, you really should no better than this. Andyemmy specified that this is a beta and alot of data is inaccurate and hasnt been finished.

[ACCBiggz]

Having made mods yourself, you really should no better than this. Andyemmy specified that this is a beta and alot of data is inaccurate and hasnt been finished.

While true, inaccuracies such as these when they have been working on this mod since WMMA1 are a bit perplexing. It's not a jab at them as much as explaining his reasoning for pointing it out as seemingly "random".

[andyemmy]

Thanks for pointing those out, they will be corrected. There are only 2 of us working on this and we do not have intimate knowledge of all 4700 fighters in the database, so you should be able to see why things are not accurate. We used Sherdog and fighter records for most of the fighters.

Using Zach Light as an example, I knew nothing about the guy, but looking at his record, he has an even number of wins by sub and ko/tko, and most of his losses come by sub. It is therefore logical to assume, knowing nothing about the guy, that he is primarily a standup fighter as he seems to possess low sub defence. As for Aaron Simpson, he has been in the database since 2008, and nobody had much info on him at that time, given that his debut in the UFC was not until 2009. The guy has 6 out of 7 wins by TKO, it is logical to think he is a stand up fighter if nothing is known about him. Maybe this will help you to know how we arrived at the stats and will explain your problem a little.

That being said, now that the data is released, people are free to let us know which things we have missed out. But please do so in a factual manner rather than being critical.

Thanks. These will be corrected in the next release

[rizzhizz]

I have found inconsistencies in the data.

It mainly comes down to fighting styles and how they are represented in stats.

I mean all the guys start out with ratings in warrior spirit, consistency, chin, etc... but wouldn't it make sense that the wrestlers have some takedown skills, stand up fighters have skills in their relevant areas, and jiujitsu guys have some level of submission skill. I have found that putting a boxer up against a jiu jitsu guy early on leads to a match which is predominantly stand up that either goes to decision because the boxer can't finish it, or end in a (T)KO because the boxer knocked out the jiu jitsu guy because he has no ground game.... I am not saying all ground guys should be awesome with the submissions or wrestlers should have top level takedown and clinch work, just better than guys who don't have that skill set in their background and conversley lack in the areas where they are not trained or proficient.

[onemanwolfpack]

The only thing I saw that was wrong was that Dan Gables birthday is off by about ten years. Although, I kind of like actually getting some use out of him for a couple years.

[andyemmy]

The only thing I saw that was wrong was that Dan Gables birthday is off by about ten years. Although, I kind of like actually getting some use out of him for a couple years.

Hehe, I wondered if someone would notice that :)

We mentioned before the release that in a few cases we have had to sacrifice realism for the sake of balance and gameplay, and this is one of those example. We didn't have enough early starters so have had to pull in people who are martial artists but never competed in MMA. Some of these people (only a few) were just too old to debut at their real age or they would retire immediately, so we had to be economical with the truth ;)

[andyemmy]

Just a bit of info for you all, I have added a link to our blog site to a download for banners and logos, It'll add a little colour to the mod for you :)

[blockrocker]

Great job guys!!

FYI: Aaron Simpson is actually a former Division 1 all-american wrestling champion, and currently coaches wrestling at a prestigous university in the US (I can't remember which one). He just seems to have a desire to stand and bang. His skills are decent at stand up, but nothing compaired to wrestling. I would consider him very well rounded with low fighter IQ. Great chin though!

If you need any help with background info on fighters, feel free to PM me, I have lived and breathed the sport for 10 years.

Your Sherdog logic is solid though, and more often than not the records tell the story. Thanks for the mod, and keep up the great work.

[ACCBiggz]

and more often than not the records tell the story.
False.

[blockrocker]

False.

You must be a sherdogger! Lol!

[andyemmy]

False.

Please keep your opinions to yourself if you have nothing constructive to add. We had to get our info from somewhere and we are improving what we have based on other peoples info. Criticism for criticisms sake is not accepted.

[andyemmy]

Great job guys!!

FYI: Aaron Simpson is actually a former Division 1 all-american wrestling champion, and currently coaches wrestling at a prestigous university in the US (I can't remember which one). He just seems to have a desire to stand and bang. His skills are decent at stand up, but nothing compaired to wrestling. I would consider him very well rounded with low fighter IQ. Great chin though!

If you need any help with background info on fighters, feel free to PM me, I have lived and breathed the sport for 10 years.

Your Sherdog logic is solid though, and more often than not the records tell the story. Thanks for the mod, and keep up the great work.

Thanks for the info, I'll update him asap. If you spot anyone else who is wrong (I know there will be quite a few people) feel free to let us know and they will be changed asap. I'm glad you like the mod though, makes the hard work worth it :)

[Nodachi]

Amaury Bitetti should have better stats and has a real background in judo, muay thai and bjj.

Dan Inosanto had 7 black belts in fighting systems, studying silat, jkd, muay thai, shoot wrestling, bjj under the machado's a brown belt, kali, Jun Fan Gung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan and obscure filipino martial systems. As Bruce Lee's top student and sucessor I feel he should be better and has the tools for mma. Speaking of which Lee is probably just as gifted and certainly has greater physical attributes since Dans older then Bruce and with fighters like Varenburg, and Inosanto why not include Lee, everyone on mma forums has wondered and speculated how he would have done in the early years if he competed as he would have been a well rounded fighter for the time. Norris was no joke either, though he would have a very limited ground game his Karate wins are no joke, he was one of the fiercest competitors of all time something like 185-5 record.

I didnt think I would like the addition of fighters that never did mma, like karelin, varenburg, inosanto and others, but after playing the early years, im in favor of putting them 15 years younger then they were, for the ones who would be 40. so they retire earlier but other then that i feel they really are great to have and as a nod to thier contributions to martial art they deserve to be there and are great fun to have. Varenburg actually beat my champ by jumping split kick ko in his 1st defense then lost the belt and has declined since but imagine that!

[andyemmy]

Thanks for the feedback. We will look into Bitetti and Inosanto n change as necessary. We worried about making people who werent MMA fighters too good, so will revise it.

We will also look into making the older guys a little younger. I guess if we have already had to adjust their date of birth, adjusting a little more wont hurt! We want to make sure the mod is enjoyable as well as acurate.

Good suggestions bout adding people like Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. We didnt know people would want guys like that in. Does anyone else want to see them too? if so we willl gladly add them.

Ace news about varenberg, glad he's doing well. I have seen him do great or awful in test runs, so nice that he turned out good for you. Someone like Bas Rutten always takes him out though, or Rickson subs him :(

Would love to know how other peoples games are going too. Anyone had any unexpected/expected results?

[brashleyholland]

Please keep your opinions to yourself if you have nothing constructive to add. We had to get our info from somewhere and we are improving what we have based on other peoples info. Criticism for criticisms sake is not accepted.

It's not critisism for critisism's sake - it's a great point. Using your examples:

looking at his record, he has an even number of wins by sub and ko/tko, and most of his losses come by sub. It is therefore logical to assume, knowing nothing about the guy, that he is primarily a standup fighter as he seems to possess low sub defence.

Why assume that? A more logical possition would be to assume he is a wrestler. Even submissions/TKO wins, poor sub def. Looks like a template for an up and coming or one-dimensional wrestler to me.

The guy has 6 out of 7 wins by TKO, it is logical to think he is a stand up fighter if nothing is known about him.

Here's the main issue - You're assuming that TKO = standing strikes. Your mod dates back to the early days of MMA - most fights in the early days, even between strikers, ended up on the ground. Look at Mark Kerr's first 10 fights - You have 4 (T)KO's, 2 submissions (I'm discounting the 'Chin to the eye' lol), 1 decision and 2 DQ's. If you knew nothing about him you'd assume he was a striker, right? Pretty much every one of his wins saw him drag guys to the ground and wail on them.

I'd say, especially with the early days of MMA, that assuming someone is a striker because they have TKO's is the wrong way to look at it. Back then, significantly more TKO's came from wrestlers/grapplers taking people down and pounding them out. Now I'm not saying this to be critical - but if you're making these assumptions for all the fighters you aren't familiar with your data will be way out.

Records for the most part don't paint an accurate picture in and of themselves...maybe a good (and fun) solution would be to start a thread listing guys you are unsure about and allowing people to fill in the gaps for you. I'm sure there are a few MMA historians, myself very much included, who would be happy to help this epic project.

Good luck :)

[andyemmy]

This is why we have released it as an early beta. Any fighter you see that you think is inaccurate, let us know. We are still working on it and will be happy to update fighters. We had to get info from somewhere, and this is how we did it. A lot of tko's do come from gnp, but since fighter sites like sherdog dont distinguish ko's and tko's, its hard to know for sure. Some guys are bound to slip the net. We never said it was perfect, hence "very early beta"

[Nodachi]

This is why we have released it as an early beta. Any fighter you see that you think is inaccurate, let us know. We are still working on it and will be happy to update fighters. We had to get info from somewhere, and this is how we did it. A lot of tko's do come from gnp, but since fighter sites like sherdog dont distinguish ko's and tko's, its hard to know for sure. Some guys are bound to slip the net. We never said it was perfect, hence "very early beta"

Its a good point that alot of tko are ground and pound, I was going to mention that myself, I wish fighting stats distinguished from the two. Another thing is submissions, a few subs are actually tko, if you tap to ground in pound they record it as a submission, which is silly.

Im at Jan. 1996 in the mod, im using strikeforce and I am the top promotion.

FW 1st champ was none other than Dana White, lol. I dont know how this happened but a cpu crash had somethign to do with it, as he isnt a active fighter but never the less I vacated title. I find it rather amusing though, I guess those boxercise classes paid off, current champ is Acelino Freitas in a rather lackluster division.

LW Dan Gable was my 1st and had 3 defences, recently losing to Ralph Gracie.

WW champ is Ivan Hippolyte, 1st was Sherman Bergman

MW champ is Rickson Gracie who just defended against Frank Shamrock, my first champ was non other than Bennie the Jet!

LHW Jon Machado is the current champ, Jet Roufas was the first, he was beaten by JCVD who lost to Vernon White who lost to Gokor Chivichan who lost to Machado.

HW champ is Ken Shamrock with 3 defenses, so far my most dominant champion in my organization, first champ was Riddick Bowe.

Recently have signed alot of huge and more familiar names.

It may just be my game but I find Jerry Bohlander underperforming he is 0-3 against mediocre competition.

Ive adjusted fighters that would be to old to compete to 20 years younger than their real age and I find that works great, Inosanto is the oldest one I think and he is still competing, 2-4 I think in some small promotion. Im going to go ahead and make Lee, Norris and Tyson, could you tell me what template you used for Karelin? What level wrestler did you make him at?

[andyemmy]

Its a good point that alot of tko are ground and pound, I was going to mention that myself, I wish fighting stats distinguished from the two. Another thing is submissions, a few subs are actually tko, if you tap to ground in pound they record it as a submission, which is silly.

Yeah, we know it isnt the most accurate way but unfortunately it had to do. Most of the known fighters have been edited to match their real style, but a few have slipped the net. They will be fixed though, as soon as we know about them

Im at Jan. 1996 in the mod, im using strikeforce and I am the top promotion.

FW 1st champ was none other than Dana White, lol. I dont know how this happened but a cpu crash had somethign to do with it, as he isnt a active fighter but never the less I vacated title. I find it rather amusing though, I guess those boxercise classes paid off, current champ is Acelino Freitas in a rather lackluster division.

LW Dan Gable was my 1st and had 3 defences, recently losing to Ralph Gracie.

WW champ is Ivan Hippolyte, 1st was Sherman Bergman

MW champ is Rickson Gracie who just defended against Frank Shamrock, my first champ was non other than Bennie the Jet!

LHW Jon Machado is the current champ, Jet Roufas was the first, he was beaten by JCVD who lost to Vernon White who lost to Gokor Chivichan who lost to Machado.

HW champ is Ken Shamrock with 3 defenses, so far my most dominant champion in my organization, first champ was Riddick Bowe.

Recently have signed alot of huge and more familiar names.

Glad to see how your game is going. Most of the results are pretty much as I'd have expected, with a few exceptions! Dana White is just plain weird :D n neither of the Roufus's ever did very well for me, but Ken usually does pretty well in test games. Well done getting that high with Strikeforce too, they start at a pretty big disadvantage!

It may just be my game but I find Jerry Bohlander underperforming he is 0-3 against mediocre competition.

I'll look into that one, he usually does pretty well, might just be to do with his potential, but will check for you

Ive adjusted fighters that would be to old to compete to 20 years younger than their real age and I find that works great, Inosanto is the oldest one I think and he is still competing, 2-4 I think in some small promotion. Im going to go ahead and make Lee, Norris and Tyson, could you tell me what template you used for Karelin? What level wrestler did you make him at?

We will sort the ages of the older guys for next release in that case. Will also add the three you want. Please , you and anyone else, let us know if there is anyone else you want added. As for Karelin, Im really not sure what template level he is Im afraid. We didnt strictly template guys like him, he has been severely edited to match his real skills.

[lain]

When is version 2 coming out?

[andyemmy]

The next release will be out in a few weeks. We would like to know what other fighters people would like to see in the mod though. And if anyone has noticed any issues please let us know. No point in us releasing a new version with only one or two changes.

[Nodachi]

I know personally would like to see fighters that were on the roster of promotions at the start date assigned to those promotions where possible. Because many start with 0 popularity in their regions, my UFC consists of half japanese fighters who are popular in america, having accurate fighters at start date might help with this in that regard.

Ken Shamrock needs to be able to fight at 205. Karelin at 265.

[andyemmy]

K will do this as requested. We found a horrid bug with the game were it keeps crashing around 2008 we will hold off releaseing 1.2 until this issue is resolved.

1.2 is looking good with some new Early starters and lots of bug and error fixes.

[andyemmy]

Thanks for Adam coming up with a solution version 1.2 should be out within a month. Any extras people want adding now is your time to post.

[Nodachi]

My last game update before the new version.

Its 1998, im playing as strikeforce and am the top promotion. Rising above K1 heroes and Pride FC. UFC in below 10 for me and has no recognizable stars.

FW division belt was retired do to lack of stars and champ Acelino Freitas leaving for K1.

LW Dan Gable had 3 title defenses and just retired, current champ is Ralph Gracie with 3 title defenses.

WW Akihiro Gono just beat Royce Gracie by decision.

MW Rickson Gracie has 3 title defenses but had to be released over contractual issues (he wanted too much money). Frank Shamrock is current champ with 1 defense and is undefeated. Tito ortiz has moved to MW to challenge him next.

LHW Rigan Machado defeated Oleg Taktarov to become the new champ and quickly submitted fan favorite Mike Tyson (5-0 all ko) for his 1st defense.

HW Semmy Schilt is the current champ, defeating Coleman who defeated Jorgen Kruth who defeated Ken Shamrock.


Game Stat Observations

Randy Couture's wins coming by submission, I think his sub skills on offense should be lower. Randy doesnt submit a whole lot of people though his sub defense is good.

Tito Ortiz, is ko'ing people standing. Tito really doesnt have and power in his hands only recently has he showed improvement in his stand up and still nothing great. I think his striking needs to be lower on both technique and power.

alot of promotions are doing well, I dont know if thats intended as I have no idea how much money these promotions started with but maybe lowering money may make thing harder, I found it very easy to be the top promotion. Also maybe less money would keep other promotions from buying up the best fighters over a promotion like UFC if they had to be a little more conservative with their spending.

[andyemmy]

Thanks for the feedback, sounds like a lot of interesting stuff is happening. Silly Rickson wanting too much money :mad:, he's annoying. Bas Rutten usually does that when I play. How are you finding the gameplay? Is it exciting enough?

In relation to tito and randy, we will check out their stats and adjust as necessary. Be aware though, that everyone's potential stat is random, so it may just be that theirs was generated at a high level and they have improved quickly. But we will certainly look into it. We will probably tweak the money situation for the next release too.

Cheers for the feedback!

[andyemmy]

Next version has had lots of the fixes and tweaks as suggested.

Gonna have to reduce the number of camps as Adam has said this will speed the game up.

Anything else you guys want in or changing now is the time to say it.

Thanks all

Andy

[D16NJD16]

Any updates?

[justtxyank]

Are there any pics to use with this mod?

[andyemmy]

Next Update will be out in around a week or two. Lots of Tweaks and fixes have been implemented. Sorry just the default pics.

[andyemmy]

Slight delay with the release. Just upgraded to Windows 7 and getting a few problems with pretty much everything. New update should not be too long off.

Sorry everyone.

[andyemmy]

Iam hoping to get Beta 1.2 up tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks all

[onemanwolfpack]

Iam hoping to get Beta 1.2 up tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks all

I'm excited for this, this is my favorite mod. What kind of updates should we expect?

[andyemmy]

Lots and lots of fixes to make the game flow better and around 200+ more fighters (about 50 requested from people) and 5 new companies. Its also now playable without Regenerated fighters on (this makes the game alot more realistic).

[andyemmy]

New Version and thread is Open http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121752