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As a Giants fan I knew going into the season they were not going to be great. But I also was not expecting them to be that bad. Oh well they will probably suck for the next five to ten years, win a Super Bowl and then the cycle will start all over again. Such is the way of the Giants.
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As a Giants fan I knew going into the season they were not going to be great. But I also was not expecting them to be that bad. Oh well they will probably suck for the next five to ten years, win a Super Bowl and then the cycle will start all over again. Such is the way of the Giants.
Didn't realize this until I heard it today, and had to double check. Eli is a .500 QB for his career. Unbelievable.
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Didn't realize this until I heard it today, and had to double check. Eli is a .500 QB for his career. Unbelievable.
Wish I could say I'm surprised. But it's not like you can hang that all on him as much as many would like too. The Giants have struggled to remain a fully constructed team over the course of Eli's tenure. When they've had the good years, they were terrific. But all too often during Eli's career, there's been that gaping hole. If it wasn't the run game it was the receiving corps. Get the receiving corps firmed up, the O line was allowed to go to seed. Eli's done all he could. Can only imagine what he might have done with a coaching staff and front office as committed as the ones in New England or Pittsburgh. I know the Giants are often held up as a similarly model franchise but sometimes I wonder if they should be given the inconsistent results they compared to teams like the Steelers or the Kraft-era Patriots
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Wish I could say I'm surprised. But it's not like you can hang that all on him as much as many would like too. The Giants have struggled to remain a fully constructed team over the course of Eli's tenure. When they've had the good years, they were terrific. But all too often during Eli's career, there's been that gaping hole. If it wasn't the run game it was the receiving corps. Get the receiving corps firmed up, the O line was allowed to go to seed. Eli's done all he could.
They always seem to have a terrible OL. He seems to get battered around so much that I am honestly surprised he is still able to play.

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Can only imagine what he might have done with a coaching staff and front office as committed as the ones in New England or Pittsburgh. I know the Giants are often held up as a similarly model franchise but sometimes I wonder if they should be given the inconsistent results they compared to teams like the Steelers or the Kraft-era Patriots
Well only the Packers and the Bears have more championships than the Giants, so I can see why they are always held in high regard. Also, the do play in the largest media market in America so that helps keep them relevant even when they actually are not relevant (Same goes for the Jets but the Jets have been bad for so long they just do not have the same prestige).
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Wish I could say I'm surprised. But it's not like you can hang that all on him as much as many would like too. The Giants have struggled to remain a fully constructed team over the course of Eli's tenure. When they've had the good years, they were terrific. But all too often during Eli's career, there's been that gaping hole. If it wasn't the run game it was the receiving corps. Get the receiving corps firmed up, the O line was allowed to go to seed. Eli's done all he could. Can only imagine what he might have done with a coaching staff and front office as committed as the ones in New England or Pittsburgh. I know the Giants are often held up as a similarly model franchise but sometimes I wonder if they should be given the inconsistent results they compared to teams like the Steelers or the Kraft-era Patriots
Oh, for sure. I'm not pinning the blame on him. Though he's the QB, so he gets it anyway, right?

In all seriousness, it was just something that despite all of those bad years recently, it's still 2 time SB MVP Eli Manning. He can't be a .500 QB. Yet there he is.

As to your point of the franchises, Colin Cowherd had something that made sense on that. Sometimes the brand is so powerful that people can't accept it's no longer great. The example he gave (and the numbers support it): People believe that NO's offense is dynamic - when they've been average at best since Thanksgiving last year.
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In all seriousness, it was just something that despite all of those bad years recently, it's still 2 time SB MVP Eli Manning. He can't be a .500 QB. Yet there he is.
I've always been a guy who thought Eli was over rated which is a shame, cause I like Eli. You look at his two superbowl years and, yeah, I'll give the man credit for arguably having his best year of his career in 2011, 4900+ passing yards (highest of his career), 29-16 TD-Int ratio (16 is a lot of interceptions though), 61% completion rate. That's pretty good. He also balled in the post season that year (1200+ passing yards, 9-1 TD:Into ratio and 65% completion rate).

2007 is vastly different. He led the league in interceptions with 20 and only had 23 TD's. 3300+ yards but threw the ball 529 times for a completion rate of 56% with 5.6 average yds/throw. Not including his rookie season, this was his second worst year for QB rating. He was terrible this year. He was pretty good in the playoffs to be fair (where I guess that's where it matters), but with how good that defense was, if the Giants got 20 or more points, he was more than likely winning.

My point is just because a QB wins a SB MVP or two doesn't mean that he is a great player. This is a team game and there have been many bad, average and above average QB's and players who have rings and SB MVP's (Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Malcolm Smith, Santonio Holmes). I'm not surprised to hear that Eli is .500 QB in his career.
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I was thinking about this the other day, mainly due to the Antonio Brown signing (There is something fishy about that signing. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that he was in contact with the Patriots prior and then he intentionally acted like an ass to get the Raiders to cut him). Back in the late 1990's-early 2000's the Boston faithful were bitching about how it was not fair that the Yankees were buying their championships. How it was not fair that the Yankees kept on winning every season. The Yankees were the "Evil Empire" and all that was wrong with baseball.

Odd how that same fanbase does not seem to mind the Patriots winning all of the time.
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I was thinking about this the other day, mainly due to the Antonio Brown signing (There is something fishy about that signing. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that he was in contact with the Patriots prior and then he intentionally acted like an ass to get the Raiders to cut him). Back in the late 1990's-early 2000's the Boston faithful were bitching about how it was not fair that the Yankees were buying their championships. How it was not fair that the Yankees kept on winning every season. The Yankees were the "Evil Empire" and all that was wrong with baseball.

Odd how that same fanbase does not seem to mind the Patriots winning all of the time.
Can't agree with you at all on the Antonio Brown thing. For better or worse, I can't envision him having that kind of artifice. For all the things you can get on his case about, Brown shows you exactly who he is. He's just the classic diva receiver and people will put a lot of negativity on those guys whether it actually fits or not. Just because the attitude rubs them the wrong way. And I will admit there have been times I've been just as guilty of that as anybody else.

As for the Boston fan thing, I've referenced living within the swirl of Boston fandom and the different standards each team gets. This phenomenon you're describing reminds me of old time hockey fans. They'd all complain about the thuggishness of a Marty McSorley, a Chris Nilan or a Tie Domi until that guy signed for their team. Then it became "He may be a goon but he's OUR goon." The Boston fans may have complained about the Yankees buying titles but that's because the big rival was doing it. If you believe Kraft is guilty of the same, he's doing it in their name so its okay.
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As for the Boston fan thing, I've referenced living within the swirl of Boston fandom and the different standards each team gets. This phenomenon you're describing reminds me of old time hockey fans. They'd all complain about the thuggishness of a Marty McSorley, a Chris Nilan or a Tie Domi until that guy signed for their team. Then it became "He may be a goon but he's OUR goon." The Boston fans may have complained about the Yankees buying titles but that's because the big rival was doing it. If you believe Kraft is guilty of the same, he's doing it in their name so its okay.
That is the way it is with most fans bases though. It is always when the team I cheer for does something like that it is okay, but when it is another team it is not okay.

The thing with Boston fans is they somehow try to paint themselves as the perpetual underdog (even when it is not the case). Like they somehow have morals that are above all others. However, when they do the very same stuff that they accuse others of doing you never hear a peep about it.
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So I think we can all agree at this point that there is something medically wrong with Antonio Brown's mind and I suspect it has something to do with that hit from Vontaze Burfict in the playoffs where he tried to take Brown's head off.
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Browns are number one in the AFC North

*Edit* Minshew magic! Jags win even without Ramsey!

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Browns beat the Steelers for the first time in 5 years, but all anyone is going to remember is the fight between Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph.

I agree that Garrett and Ogunjobi should have been ejected, but Rudolph started the scuffle by trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off. Then Pouncy(spelling?) threw some punches and kicks at Garrett yet neither Rudolph or Pouncy were ejected.

Hopefully Garrett isn’t suspended too long. He’s one of our top players by a long shot.
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Browns beat the Steelers for the first time in 5 years, but all anyone is going to remember is the fight between Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph.

I agree that Garrett and Ogunjobi should have been ejected, but Rudolph started the scuffle by trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off. Then Pouncy(spelling?) threw some punches and kicks at Garrett yet neither Rudolph or Pouncy were ejected.

Hopefully Garrett isn’t suspended too long. He’s one of our top players by a long shot.
That was crazy. BTW It sucks my Redskins are so bad this year. Frustration is something I know all too well as a Redskins fan. We had some good years in my lifetime when Gibbs came back but Synder had to ruin that.
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Browns beat the Steelers for the first time in 5 years, but all anyone is going to remember is the fight between Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph.

I agree that Garrett and Ogunjobi should have been ejected, but Rudolph started the scuffle by trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off. Then Pouncy(spelling?) threw some punches and kicks at Garrett yet neither Rudolph or Pouncy were ejected.

Hopefully Garrett isn’t suspended too long. He’s one of our top players by a long shot.
Honestly, Garrett deserved some punches and kicks. Sure, they should have been thrown out, but the time left allowed the umpires to concentrate on the worst offences.

Who started it is up for debate. Garrett should have got off Rudolph much earlier, I'm surprised he wasn't flagged there and then. Only after that does Rudolph push him by the helmet, which made the red mist come down. Both were in the wrong, and ripping the helmet off was out of order. And what came next was insane. If you've ripped someone's helmet off they're well within their right to come at you. You don't need to hit them over the head with a solid object to defend yourself, dropping the helmet was a perfectly good option. Frankly, once Garrett had done that Rudolph's teammates gave him what was coming, and we can just be glad that there was no major injury (to Rudolph - Garrett of course still had the luxury of all his protective gear).

I think the band handed out were just right. I've read some people saying Rudolph should be punished, but I completely disagree. He should have been flagged, but his actions are seen most weekends in the NFL, you can't ban him because the incident escalated.
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That fight was ridiculous and absolutely disgusting. I hear this is out of character for Garrett, which makes me wonder if there was some roid rage going on there.

Me personally, I'very been a Chiefs fan sine the Joe Montana years. Thrilled to have Mahomes. Chiefs have needed a true franchise QB for a long time!
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