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Unread 02-12-2010, 05:15 PM
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Default The Official MMA Discussion Thread

There's one for WWE and TNA, so I thought I'd start up an official MMA/UFC/Strikeforce thread!


As an update on the story that broke yesterday, Chael Sonnen has said that he wont be stepping in against Anderson Silva at UFC 112, citing his medical suspension preventing him from sparring until the 9th of March as the reason.

Dana White has said that Anderson *will* remain on the card, hopefully defending his title. There's a finite number of guys comming off wins that could step in...Maia is the obvious choice, but his medical suspension runs through to August unless he's cleared. Akiyama isn't booked, but the UFC are reportedly holding him back for the winner of Bisping/Silva. Wonder if that fight ends quickly, if the winner would step up if asked/healthy? I doubt Bisping would, but Wanderlei might.
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I usually don't like to post about MMA because I am only a casual fan and my knowledge is nothing compared to others on here.

But I have a question, do you think that the WEC is popular enough to have PPV? I mean I love the WEC (sometimes I think I like it more than the UFC) but they are on a cable station that not many people get. Therefore their general exposure is limited. Now granted they are owned by the UFC so they do not have to make money on their PPV's. So what is everyone's opinion on this subject?
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Unread 02-12-2010, 06:54 PM
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I usually don't like to post about MMA because I am only a casual fan and my knowledge is nothing compared to others on here.

But I have a question, do you think that the WEC is popular enough to have PPV? I mean I love the WEC (sometimes I think I like it more than the UFC) but they are on a cable station that not many people get. Therefore their general exposure is limited. Now granted they are owned by the UFC so they do not have to make money on their PPV's. So what is everyone's opinion on this subject?
http://www.mmabay.co.uk/Story%20A%2000692.html

That was my take on it last Sunday.

In short - WEC's 'stars' have been complaining about their level of pay compared to their UFC counterparts. Putting them on PPV is letting them sink or swim...if it pays off, great. If not, the UFC has the numbers to go back to the table and say "This is what a WEC PPV makes, so this is what we can pay you".

Another consideration is that Zuffa has some fairly lengthy TV contracts connected to the WEC brand. If a WEC show does appalling numbers, they again have the figures to take to a TV network live Versus and say "This brand is failing, we want to take it off the air - here's some UFC programming to replace it". That would make the eventual folding of the WEC into the UFC (which Zuffa have repeatedly said is their endgame) alot smoother.


Finally, despite being owned by Zuffa LLC, the WEC is it's own company with it's own staff and HAS to make a profit. The Fertita brothers are in some serious financial quagmires at the moment with Station Casino's (their main business) so they are not running a money pit with the WEC.

They have scheduled this card in April - Between the end of March and the 8th of May there are already three big UFC PPV's and the Mayweather fight which is expected to do 900K+ buys. Even without the boxing, MMA fans are already expeted to shell out $140 in the space of about 6 weeks.

There is also 'UFC on Versus', UFC Fight Night and Strikeforce on CBS (featuring Fedor and Dan Henderson) all airing for 'free', so it's not like people will be starved for MMA around the time that WEC's PPV is taking place.

My point: While they are not setting WEC up to sink...they aren't giving it the best possible chance to swim on PPV.
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Unread 02-12-2010, 07:20 PM
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I usually don't like to post about MMA because I am only a casual fan and my knowledge is nothing compared to others on here.
Hopefully this thread will evolve into somewhere people can ask questions as well...there are a few people on here, Biggz, Wade, Ringofhonourguard, off the top of my head that really know their stuff. Share the wealth and all that jazz
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I am interested to see if Mousasi will stay with Strikeforce after his final fight or if he does resign how long he will stay now that he doesnt have the M-1 connection.
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I am interested to see if Mousasi will stay with Strikeforce after his final fight or if he does resign how long he will stay now that he doesnt have the M-1 connection.
I think, not 100% though, that it was a 12-month, three fight deal. So assuming he fights Lawal in April it'll be a countdown to negotiations after that. It depends on the wording of the contract exactly how long they can keep him.

The story last time was that M-1 told Mousasi that the UFC had made a low offer (40k to fight, 40k to win), so he should sign with Strikeforce (for reportedly less than half the guarenteed purse he was getting from the Affliction contract, but more than 40k). Mousasi trusted Apy Echtheld (his manager and a partner in M-1 global), so he signed the deal.

Gegard became suspicious after talking to some of the other Affliction fighters who'd had offers from the UFC to match their Affliction deals (FYI Mousasi was on $125,000 plus win bonus with his Affliction deal). He actually called Joe Silva to voice his concerns, and was told:

A) That the UFC had not made any cash offer to M-1 for Mousasi's services.

B) That the UFC was going to make an offer and intended to honour Mousasi's Affliction deal.


Assuming that the above is true then not only did M-1 make up the 40k offer to put Mousasi off the UFC, they halted negotiations with the UFC before they could make him an offer. The subtext being that they wanted Fedor in Strikeforce because it was more financially benneficial to them and would have had a hard time explaining why Mousasi could fight in the UFC while Fedor couldn't.

Echtheld was also caught lying to the press when he told an interviewer that Mousasi was on the conference call with the UFC when the offer was made...obviously this was not the case or he wouldn't have had to call Joe Silva about the 40k/40k offer. Vadim Finkelchtein (head of M-1) was asked on another occasion about this disparity and he refused to answer, directing people to "Ask Apy".

It's shady as anything, but as anyone who knows anything about Echtheld and his history in the fight business will tell you, it's not at all a shock.

Common sense says that Mousasi gets a great offer from the UFC and his management (if he keeps winning) and ends up in the UFc by the end of the year, assuming he is not tied into Dreams light-heavyweight GP.
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Maia is the obvious choice, but his medical suspension runs through to August unless he's cleared.
Look's like they are going to find a doctor who'll clear Maia (or worry about any possible repercussions later) as the UFC have just announced Maia vs Silva for the 185lb championship at 112!

Hopefully this isn't another Silva-Leites stalemate...I'm thinking Maia goes for broke and gets stopped early.
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That was a very well written article brashleyholland.
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Really, Maia? Shame about Sonnen's cut, but I would've given it to Marquardt before Maia: we know standing that Maia is going to get destroyed by Ando and I have no reason to believe that Silva won't just stalemate him on the ground.

I beleive Marquardt should have it for the simple reason that he's so ridiclously hard to finish. If he can take Silva for a ride, there's always the chance of something incredible in the later rounds vs. a tired Silva. Maia I just see eating a big combination in the first round and giving Silva an easy retain.

Best case scenario? Just wait until Sonnen or Belfort recover. The 112 card's strong enough already with BJ, Renzo and Hughes on it.
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I can definitely see Maia going out quick depending on how much he tries to strike right away. I don't think Maia has the gas to keep shooting for takedowns over and over. But, if he should take Anderson down and get on top, I think it will be the most dangerous position any past or current opponent could put him in since he's held the title.

I'm actually a little more excited for this than I was for Vitor.
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I'm actually a little more excited for this than I was for Vitor.
It's certainly a different dynamic. We know that Vitor crumbles after a round or two of pressure (the majority or his losses come when he's taken deep, most of his wins are in the first round/half of the fight). There are still many questions about Maia.

Was the Nate KO a one off? Can he be effective in later rounds? Will he pull guard or look to get top possition?

Certainly more intriguing than 'Can Vitor score a KO in the first 5 minutes?' I don't like Maia's chances, but I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
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That was a very well written article brashleyholland.
Thanks mate.
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anyone think a fighter should come out to, You're Going Down by Sick Puppies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2boh...eature=related
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Vitor is Vitor. You know what to expect... Belfort is a lot like Arlovski, he's lethal... until he gets hit a few times. His best chance is always early by KO, as he proved again by jacking Franklin's jaw. I was annoyed when they gave the title shot to Vitor, considering he's barely been active in the sport until recently. A victory over a confused Rich Franklin isn't much to brag about these days, I felt Rich lost to Wanderlei as well.

However, as the UFC and MMA hype machine usually commands, I got sucked into the pre-fight ongoings between the two. So when Belfort pulled out with injury I was annoyed yet again because I knew that Anderson was either taking out a contender at Light Heavyweight, which is counterproductive, or he'd be facing an even lesser proven fighter for the belt.

Sonnen, Marquardt, and Maia have wove themselves into a knit similar to Rampage, Liddell, and Wanderlei.. You can x Marquardt out of the conversation given the fact that he was just recently dominated and has a loss to the champ already...

Sonnen has a cut, so it's Maia. It's a cool fight. Stylistically it could be -very- boring, but I'm not sure Maia's heart will allow him to be boring. He's going to be aggressively chasing the takedown instead of just letting Silva come to him like Leites did. Unfortunately that plays right into Anderson's game, and unless Maia lands a hail mary Wanderlei overhand and sinks a sub, I can't see him winning.

I think Belfort should fight Sonnen for the title shot when he gets back. That's all for now.
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Vitor is Vitor. You know what to expect... Belfort is a lot like Arlovski, he's lethal... until he gets hit a few times.
That's a really good analogy.
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