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I am a tad bit shocked that nobody has brought up The Last Jedi on here. I saw it opening day and I was not a fan. I would probably rank it last on the list of Star Wars movies. I think the one thing that bothered me the most was the non-Star Wars humor they tried to put in it. The whole phone call thing was just bad.

It is funny this was the first Stars Wars film I hated while I was watching it. The only other one I disliked (I did not hate it, I just disliked it.) was Phantom Menace and I actually had to think about that for a bit after watching it. I do not think there was a movie I was looking forward to see more than Phantom Menace, so I was bound to be let down.

That being I think episode one gets a bad rap as there were parts of it that I enjoyed a lot. Whereas with The Last Jedi, there was nothing I really enjoyed about the movie. To me it did not have any redeemable qualities, it was just bad.

One of my friends who always swears by Rotten Tomatoes, loved this movie and said that the fans fresh score was tainted by trolls. He then cited the fact that it was a good movie due to how high it grossed at the box office.

That does not hold water with me because it being a Star Wars movie meant it was going to draw well no matter what.

With all of this being said I will go and see the final movie in the new trilogy when it comes out because I am a sucker. I will also go see the next Indiana Jones movie whenever that comes out despite the fact that I despised the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

I mean come on, the first three Indiana Jones movies were all great. Usually there is one weak movie in a series, I am looking at you Godfather Three, but all of the Indiana Jones movies were flawless. Then that steaming pile of dog crap that was KOCS was released and oh boy did it suck.
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I am a tad bit shocked that nobody has brought up The Last Jedi on here. I saw it opening day and I was not a fan. I would probably rank it last on the list of Star Wars movies. I think the one thing that bothered me the most was the non-Star Wars humor they tried to put in it. The whole phone call thing was just bad.

It is funny this was the first Stars Wars film I hated while I was watching it. The only other one I disliked (I did not hate it, I just disliked it.) was Phantom Menace and I actually had to think about that for a bit after watching it. I do not think there was a movie I was looking forward to see more than Phantom Menace, so I was bound to be let down.

That being I think episode one gets a bad rap as there were parts of it that I enjoyed a lot. Whereas with The Last Jedi, there was nothing I really enjoyed about the movie. To me it did not have any redeemable qualities, it was just bad.

One of my friends who always swears by Rotten Tomatoes, loved this movie and said that the fans fresh score was tainted by trolls. He then cited the fact that it was a good movie due to how high it grossed at the box office.

That does not hold water with me because it being a Star Wars movie meant it was going to draw well no matter what.

With all of this being said I will go and see the final movie in the new trilogy when it comes out because I am a sucker. I will also go see the next Indiana Jones movie whenever that comes out despite the fact that I despised the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

I mean come on, the first three Indiana Jones movies were all great. Usually there is one weak movie in a series, I am looking at you Godfather Three, but all of the Indiana Jones movies were flawless. Then that steaming pile of dog crap that was KOCS was released and oh boy did it suck.
Honestly I really enjoyed the last jedi. I seen the movie around Christmas and even though I was 2 weeks behind I managed to not see any spoilers. There were some parts that I questioned (probably one of the effects of changing directors) but other than that it was great going into it blind not knowing what to expect.

Most negative reviews I see of it are pretty jarring to me because they usually come from stuff like "it was making a political statement" or "good god were they trying to check off all the boxes of diversity when they cast this thing?"

I'm curious to see what you actually didn't like about it? It couldn't be the jokes that were the deal breaker. I don't really get that argument because there has been humor in the series for years. R2 and C3PO banter....Han and Leia is mostly taking jabs at each other.

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I enjoyed the Last Jedi more than The Force Awakens, and far more than the first two prequels. It seems like a pretty divisive movie among Star Wars fans though. Most people either really enjoyed it or really disliked it, with not a lot of middle ground.
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Honestly I really enjoyed the last jedi. I seen the movie around Christmas and even though I was 2 weeks behind I managed to not see any spoilers. There were some parts that I questioned (probably one of the effects of changing directors) but other than that it was great going into it blind not knowing what to expect.

Most negative reviews I see of it are pretty jarring to me because they usually come from stuff like "it was making a political statement" or "good god were they trying to check off all the boxes of diversity when they cast this thing?"

I'm curious to see what you actually didn't like about it? It couldn't be the jokes that were the deal breaker. I don't really get that argument because there has been humor in the series for years. R2 and C3PO banter....Han and Leia is mostly taking jabs at each other.
Yes there was Star Wars humor but that whole prank call thing came across to me as, "OMG this is super random" millennial style humor, and I just did not think it fit with the humor you mentioned in the previous movies. Well I guess it was not as bad as the Jar Jar Binks crap but still I felt it did not belong in a Star Wars movie.

As far as the political statement goes, I can see how some might say that but I do not really agree with it. Same thing goes with the diversity casting, I mean I thought the Rose character was crappy but I would have felt that way no matter who played the role.

I never care about the race or gender of characters unless they recast a character who has always been one race or gender (Dr. Who I am looking at you) and make that character a new race or gender.

That being said when the recast Starbuck as a woman on BSG that ended up being a great decision as Katee Sackhoff's version was far better than Dirk Benedict. However, the Master as a woman on Dr. Who was not something I agreed with but then again I was not a fan of John Simm as the Master either. To me Roger Delgado will always be the Master, but Anthony Ainley was a great replacement.

Anyway back on topic, what bothered me besides the whole prank call thing was the movie was just not very well written and there was a lot of stuff from the Force Awakens that was made null and void.

Like Rey's parents being people of no importance. Fans have been debating who her parents might be for two years and then this new movie comes along a just blows that debate off. Now I get why they did it, they are showing people that someone who came from nothing can rise to the highest peaks and that is a good message.

However, they could have just revealed that right off the bat and it would have been interesting. Instead they left it a mystery and they ended up letting the fans down.

Also, killing off Snoke was another thing that was wrong in my opinion. This built this character up as the big bad in Force Awakens only to kill him like a chump. We never found out his backstory, we never found out how he started the First Order and how it became so powerful so quickly. What they should have done was have Snoke stick around for this movie and kill him off at the start of the next movie like they did with Christopher Lee in Revenge of the Sith (I felt Revenge of the Sith was the best of the prequels by leaps and bounds, I know a lot of fans hated it.).

Captain Phasma once again had such great potential to be an awesome character only to have her maybe die. It is such a waste of a good actress and a character who has the potential to be a great secondary character.

Hate to hop on this again but the whole prank call scene made General Hux come across as a total joke. I view Hux's character as the Grand Moff Tarkin (Peter Cushing) of this new set of movies so it kind of sucks that they have turned him into a sort of ineffectual joke character.

I could have done without the whole Casino Royale storyline. I also felt that Oscar Isaac's character was really misused in this movie. I mean you have an actor of his caliber you should really give him better stuff to work with. Same goes for John Boyega as well.

Then you have Luke...this was not Luke. I am not sure who this imposter is but it was not Luke. Luke was willing to die in order to redeem his father but was willing to kill off his nephew because he sensed that Kylo was being corrupted by Snoke. He was not willing to do anything he could to stop his nephew from following in Darth Vader's footsteps.

I am sure there are other things that I forgot about but I cannot think of anything else right now.
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Unread 02-21-2018, 03:11 AM
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Yes there was Star Wars humor but that whole prank call thing came across to me as, "OMG this is super random" millennial style humor, and I just did not think it fit with the humor you mentioned in the previous movies. Well I guess it was not as bad as the Jar Jar Binks crap but still I felt it did not belong in a Star Wars movie.

As far as the political statement goes, I can see how some might say that but I do not really agree with it. Same thing goes with the diversity casting, I mean I thought the Rose character was crappy but I would have felt that way no matter who played the role.

I never care about the race or gender of characters unless they recast a character who has always been one race or gender (Dr. Who I am looking at you) and make that character a new race or gender.

That being said when the recast Starbuck as a woman on BSG that ended up being a great decision as Katee Sackhoff's version was far better than Dirk Benedict. However, the Master as a woman on Dr. Who was not something I agreed with but then again I was not a fan of John Simm as the Master either. To me Roger Delgado will always be the Master, but Anthony Ainley was a great replacement.

Anyway back on topic, what bothered me besides the whole prank call thing was the movie was just not very well written and there was a lot of stuff from the Force Awakens that was made null and void.

Like Rey's parents being people of no importance. Fans have been debating who her parents might be for two years and then this new movie comes along a just blows that debate off. Now I get why they did it, they are showing people that someone who came from nothing can rise to the highest peaks and that is a good message.

However, they could have just revealed that right off the bat and it would have been interesting. Instead they left it a mystery and they ended up letting the fans down.

Also, killing off Snoke was another thing that was wrong in my opinion. This built this character up as the big bad in Force Awakens only to kill him like a chump. We never found out his backstory, we never found out how he started the First Order and how it became so powerful so quickly. What they should have done was have Snoke stick around for this movie and kill him off at the start of the next movie like they did with Christopher Lee in Revenge of the Sith (I felt Revenge of the Sith was the best of the prequels by leaps and bounds, I know a lot of fans hated it.).

Captain Phasma once again had such great potential to be an awesome character only to have her maybe die. It is such a waste of a good actress and a character who has the potential to be a great secondary character.

Hate to hop on this again but the whole prank call scene made General Hux come across as a total joke. I view Hux's character as the Grand Moff Tarkin (Peter Cushing) of this new set of movies so it kind of sucks that they have turned him into a sort of ineffectual joke character.

I could have done without the whole Casino Royale storyline. I also felt that Oscar Isaac's character was really misused in this movie. I mean you have an actor of his caliber you should really give him better stuff to work with. Same goes for John Boyega as well.

Then you have Luke...this was not Luke. I am not sure who this imposter is but it was not Luke. Luke was willing to die in order to redeem his father but was willing to kill off his nephew because he sensed that Kylo was being corrupted by Snoke. He was not willing to do anything he could to stop his nephew from following in Darth Vader's footsteps.

I am sure there are other things that I forgot about but I cannot think of anything else right now.
I agree with most of this, but am curious to know what you did enjoy of it. It was polarizing and took me a few days to process, but the result was... a lot. Everything Kylo/Rey worked for me. "You have no place in this story," Can we trust Kylo as a narrator of this info? Nope. We can trust that he is going to continue his rise on the list of all-time great villains, I think.

I see the Snoke thing as a white elephant. He was essentially there to put Kylo over (as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, I am pretty confident JJ had a much better direction he wanted to go with pretty much everything). While Snoke is eluded to being the big bad, he is instead just an example of what Kylo Ren is capable of. He is running down Kylo Ren, talking about insignificant he is in comparison, and how easy he is to predict.. whilst being out-foxed by Kylo simultaneously. I just think they've handled the character extremely well, considering every conversation started about him lasts 45 minutes. People who hate him trying to be convinced by people who love to hate him. That's a villain, man.
Probably the minority opinion there.

I also think they played far too fast and loose with the Force. It is beyond what I've thought of the Force to be at this point. Leia's rise in cyber space was just.. ridiculous.. why was she posed like the Heismann?
Like I mentioned earlier, I think that JJ and Rian have no concern over each other's story developments. It is clear there was no direction for Star Wars to go when they started this thing, and they made the mistake of flip-flopping from one "auteur" to another without even having them consult each other much, it seems.. Just very interested to see how JJ is going to take this thing back over, and how he will potentially sabotage the seeds that Rian planted for himself to take over once again, and sabotage what JJ sets up, once again...




On a different note entirely, who has seen Black Panther? Can we discuss?
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I agree with most of this, but am curious to know what you did enjoy of it. It was polarizing and took me a few days to process, but the result was... a lot. Everything Kylo/Rey worked for me. "You have no place in this story," Can we trust Kylo as a narrator of this info? Nope. We can trust that he is going to continue his rise on the list of all-time great villains, I think.

I see the Snoke thing as a white elephant. He was essentially there to put Kylo over (as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, I am pretty confident JJ had a much better direction he wanted to go with pretty much everything). While Snoke is eluded to being the big bad, he is instead just an example of what Kylo Ren is capable of. He is running down Kylo Ren, talking about insignificant he is in comparison, and how easy he is to predict.. whilst being out-foxed by Kylo simultaneously. I just think they've handled the character extremely well, considering every conversation started about him lasts 45 minutes. People who hate him trying to be convinced by people who love to hate him. That's a villain, man.
Probably the minority opinion there.

I also think they played far too fast and loose with the Force. It is beyond what I've thought of the Force to be at this point. Leia's rise in cyber space was just.. ridiculous.. why was she posed like the Heismann?
Like I mentioned earlier, I think that JJ and Rian have no concern over each other's story developments. It is clear there was no direction for Star Wars to go when they started this thing, and they made the mistake of flip-flopping from one "auteur" to another without even having them consult each other much, it seems.. Just very interested to see how JJ is going to take this thing back over, and how he will potentially sabotage the seeds that Rian planted for himself to take over once again, and sabotage what JJ sets up, once again...




On a different note entirely, who has seen Black Panther? Can we discuss?
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Whereas with The Last Jedi, there was nothing I really enjoyed about the movie. To me it did not have any redeemable qualities, it was just bad.
I disliked the movie so much that I can hardly recall what happened in it now. It is like I blocked it from my memory or something. Seriously, I can recall stuff from all of the other eight movies, but I really have to think about the Last Jedi in order to remember anything about it.

I saw Black Panther and I liked it. I thought it was vastly overhyped though. For months I have been reading how this was the best MCU movie ever and it would change the landscape of the MCU. I bought into the hype and was excited to go see it and as I said before, I did enjoy it, it was not the best MCU movie ever.

Then again I guess it all comes down to what you like in movies. I thought the last Thor movie was better than the Black Panther.
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Haven't seen Black Panther yet, and as good as the last Thor movie was it didn't hold a candle to Captain America: The First Avenger and Captain America: Winter Soldier. Still haven't seen Civil War, but I heard that was good, too.
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I disliked the movie so much that I can hardly recall what happened in it now. It is like I blocked it from my memory or something. Seriously, I can recall stuff from all of the other eight movies, but I really have to think about the Last Jedi in order to remember anything about it.

I saw Black Panther and I liked it. I thought it was vastly overhyped though. For months I have been reading how this was the best MCU movie ever and it would change the landscape of the MCU. I bought into the hype and was excited to go see it and as I said before, I did enjoy it, it was not the best MCU movie ever.

Then again I guess it all comes down to what you like in movies. I thought the last Thor movie was better than the Black Panther.
Look at me, glossing over that sentence. Fair enough.

I'll have to agree on Black Panther. I think they followed the 1-2-3 act villain formula extremely well. Loved the tone of Thor: Ragnarok, and as Thor and Hulk have always been my two favorites of the Avengers... It was the buddy comedy that I had never knew I needed. Nothing but a smile on my face for that one. Black Panther found me engaged nearly a hundred percent of the time, that much I can say. The overhype had me dreading even seeing the movie.
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Look at me, glossing over that sentence. Fair enough.

I'll have to agree on Black Panther. I think they followed the 1-2-3 act villain formula extremely well. Loved the tone of Thor: Ragnarok, and as Thor and Hulk have always been my two favorites of the Avengers... It was the buddy comedy that I had never knew I needed. Nothing but a smile on my face for that one. Black Panther found me engaged nearly a hundred percent of the time, that much I can say. The overhype had me dreading even seeing the movie.
Well it was one massive wall of text so I can hardly blame you for glossing over it. I tend to do that a lot when reading on the computer. I always find it odd but for some reason I can read and retain more if what written is in traditional print. However, if you take the same information and put it on the computer I have a tougher time remembering what I read. That is why I cannot read books on the computer.

Back on topic...did anyone see The Ritual? I thought it was a pretty good suspense/horror movie. I understand horror is not for everyone but if you like horror it was a pretty good movie (I would even say it was far more suspense than horror).
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The Last Jedi was good. It was fresh and different and far, far better than The Force Awakens.

That said... I strongly disliked what they did with Luke. Nearly ruined the experience for me.

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Black Panther can't possibly live up to the hype, but I'll go watch it. After watching the boring trailers, I was going to wait for the blu-ray release - but after the recent hype, I'll be caving. I'm a bit down on Marvel lately though, after Spider-man dissappointing me greatly after rave reviews and Thor, while certainly a good and entertaining movie, was too much slapstick for the serious subject.
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Black Panther was OK. Could have done without about 15-20 minutes of the movie, but that seems to be true about almost any movie now.

These guys are not Christopher Nolan to be able to examine a character's background for 30 minutes.
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I felt that The Last Jedi pushed so much out in such a short time that it was hard to get attached to any characters. I felt nothing when Rose did what she did at the end of the movie (need to avoid spoilers.) I felt that The Force Awakens was better for sure.
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I felt that The Last Jedi pushed so much out in such a short time that it was hard to get attached to any characters. I felt nothing when Rose did what she did at the end of the movie (need to avoid spoilers.) I felt that The Force Awakens was better for sure.
Haven't seen The Last Jedi yet. I did see The Force Awakens (which I really liked), and honestly Rogue One was superior to that.
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Black Panther was a fine movie. Couldn't quite live up to the hype, but I was entertained. And they thankfully didn't shovel in a lot of needless and unnecesary other Marvel characters into it, like with Spider-Man Homecoming and Ant-Man. Black Panther was allowed to pretty much stand on it's own two feet, to be it's own fairly fresh movie - and it worked.
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I've just recently watched Hacksaw Ridge and was definitely one of the best films I've seen in recent memory. Not really a fan of Andrew Garfield, always feels contrived and not really a believable actor. But the story (I didn't actually know it was a true story) was truly epic and definitely going to be worth another watch soon. I preferred it to Dunkirk too which I wasn't expecting.

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