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Unread 08-23-2018, 04:32 AM
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Check the first post on the first page
Yeah, I know that, I meant if there’s a beta release or something beforehand.
Should’ve been clearer, my apologies
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Yeah, I know that, I meant if there’s a beta release or something beforehand.
Should’ve been clearer, my apologies
Hmm, I wasn't planning on it, but I MAY do a closed beta as we get closer to release.

And yeah, as far as actual release

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Also, in the worst kept secret in this thread, I'd like to announce that Tokyo Joshi Pro will be in for the November release (with more to be announced at a later date). Enjoy Maki Itoh in her home environment!


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Unread 08-23-2018, 12:15 PM
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So, something I've wanted to do in the lead up to the release is "crowd source" some skill ratings from all of you. If interested, you can fill out the form below and I will take the worker into account in the skill listed when rescaling the ratings for release.

Before you begin, if you want a more in-depth explanation of each stat, you should check out Derek_B's excellent mod making guide from 2013 HERE

The most important thing to note is that the skills should be reflective of how much each skill makes an audience CARE about what they are doing, not necessarily a willingness to do so. An example would be the Hardcore stat. Your standard CZW/BJW wrestler is more than willing to do hardcore/deathmatch matches (reflected in their personality in the liberal category) but shouldn't be at the level of a peak Mick Foley or Atsushi Onita in terms of making people CARE about what they are doing (FMW sold out 30,000+ seat stadiums for a reason).

I've added a quick summary of each stat below (some descriptions stolen liberally from Derek's guide), as well as a few "archetypes" of practitioners of each form. I've deliberately left out active workers in the archetype section (for the most part) as to not influence who you pick.

Feel free to fill out as many categories as you like (and add more than 5 if you want as well).

--- GIF EXAMPLES ---
For you visual learners out there

Brawling:


Puroresu:


Hardcore:


Chain Wrestling:


Mat Wrestling:


Submissions:


Aerial:


Flashiness:


Selling:



--- RATINGS FORM ---

Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
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Unread 08-23-2018, 01:08 PM
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i feel like i missed something, are we supposed to fill this out with who we think are the top 5 in the world rn?
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i feel like i missed something, are we supposed to fill this out with who we think are the top 5 in the world rn?
If you like, yes
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Unread 08-23-2018, 01:21 PM
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Not sure if the NWA National title is in the data, but the NWA announced today that it’s returning at the 70th anniversary show October 21st when a new champion will be crowned.

Global Force and NWA are apparently partnered up now.
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Unread 08-23-2018, 01:24 PM
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Example submission from me. I'm sure I've forgot people, so don't slay me.

Again, I'm looking for your opinions, so don't take this as "these will be the top 5 in each stat". I'm more using this as a gauge on who to look at for ratings.

[southside braces himself for incoming hate]

--- RATINGS FORM ---

Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen
1) Samoa Joe
2) Tomohiro Ishii
3) Kevin Owens
4) Shuji Ishikawa
5) Sheamus

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata
1) Katusuyori Shibata
2) Tomohiro Ishii
3) Naomichi Marafuji
4) Kazuchika Okada
5) Shinsuke Nakamura

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk
1) Jun Kasai
2) Jaki Numazawa
3) Matt Tremont
4) Masato Tanaka
5) Masashi Takeda

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal
1) Meiko Satomura
2) Zack Sabre Jr
3) Hideki Suzuki
4) Dragon Lee II
5) Naomichi Marafuji

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Hideki Suzuki
3) Minoru Suzuki
4) Daniel Bryan
5) Chihiro Hashimoto

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan
1) Minoru Suzuki
2) Zack Sabre Jr.
3) Daniel Bryan
4) Hideki Suzuki
5) Kyle O'Reilly

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio
1) Kota Ibushi
2) Ricochet
3) Will Ospreay
4) Neville
5) Io Shirai

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay
1) Will Ospreay
2) Ricochet
3) Kota Ibushi
4) Caristico
5) Flamita

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD
1) AJ Styles
2) Kento Miyahara
3) Kenny Omega
4) Johnny Gargano
5) Sami Zayn
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Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen
1) Kevin Owens
2) Roman Reigns
3) Samoa Joe
4) Tomohiro Ishii (i guess)
5) Kassius Ohno

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata
1) Katsuyori Shibata
2) Tomohiro Ishii
3) WALTER
4) Shuji Ishikawa
5) Joe Doering

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk
1) Masashi Takeda
2) Isami Kodaka
3) Joey Janela
4) Ciclope
5) Every BJW or Freedoms worker

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Jon Gresham
3) Shotaro Ashino
4) Minoru Suzuki
5) Timothy Thatcher

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Hideki Suzuki
3) Shotaro Ashino
4) Timothy Thatcher
5) Jon Gresham

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan
1) ZACK SABRE JR
2) Minoru Suzuki
3) Hideki Suzuki
4) Timothy Thatcher
5) Drew Gulak

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio
1) Will Ospreay
2) Ricochet
3) Arkangel Divino
4) Nick Jackson
5) Bandido

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay
1) Kota Ibushi
2) Nick Jackson & Matt Jackson
3) Will Ospreay
4) Ricochet
5) Bandido

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD
1) Kenny Omega
2) Kazuchika Okada
3) Kento Miyahara
4) Johnny Gargano
5) Matt Jackson (this year he has honestly proved to be one of the best sellers in the business)
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Unread 08-23-2018, 01:59 PM
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3) Shotaro Ashino
See. I told you I would forget someone

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Remember the NWA title chatter a page back.

Well the they have just announced that the National title will be making a comeback at the 70th anniversary show.
https://twitter.com/nwa/status/1032689331478118401

Last edited by TheWho87 : 08-23-2018 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Wrong tweet
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Unread 08-23-2018, 06:26 PM
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Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen
1) Samoa Joe
2) Kevin Owens
3) Tomohiro Ishii
4) PCO
5) Buddy Murphy

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata
1) Tomohiro Ishii
2) Katsuori Shibata
3) Kazuchika Okada
4) KENTA
5) Josh Alexander

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk
1) Jun Kasai
2) Matt Tremont
3) Nick Gage
4) Joey Janela
5) Mance Warner

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal
1) Zack Sabre Jr.
2) Kyle O'Reilly
3) Meiko Satomura
4) Naomichi Marafuji
5) Kota Ibushi

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki
1) Zack Sabre Jr.
2) Minoru Suzuki
3) Daniel Bryan
4) Kyle O'REilly
5) Pete Dunne

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan
1) Minoru Suzuki
2) Zack Sabre Jr.
3) Daniel Bryan
4) Kyle O'Reilly
5) Josh Alexander

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio
1) Kota Ibushi
2) Ricochet
3) Will Ospreay
4) Mustafa Ali
5) Nick Jackson

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay
1) Will Ospreay
2) Ricochet
3) Bandido
4) PCO
5) Fenix

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD
1) Mustafa Ali
2) Kenny Omega
3) Sami Zayn
4) Cedric Alexander
5) Chris Hero
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Unread 08-23-2018, 07:31 PM
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I don't have enough opinions to make a full list, but I did want to state that Masashi Takeda is a top 3 brawler and hardcore wrestler, if I did make a list.
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Unread 08-23-2018, 07:40 PM
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Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen
1) Samoa Joe
2) Tomohiro Ishii
3) Kevin Owens
4) Kassius Ohno
5) Sheamus

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata
1) Katusuyori Shibata
2) Tomohiro Ishii
3) Naomichi Marafuji
4) KENTA
5) Shinsuke Nakamura

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk
1) Jun Kasai
2) Jaki Numazawa
3) Matt Tremont
4) Masato Tanaka
5) Nick Gage

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Kyle O'Reilly
3) Meiko Satomura
4) Shotaro Ashino
5) Naomichi Marafuji

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Daniel Bryan
3) Minoru Suzuki
4) Pete Dunne
5) Timothy Thatcher

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan
1) Zack Sabre Jr.
2) Minoru Suzuki
3) Daniel Bryan
4) Kyle O'Reilly
5) Drew Gulak

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio
1) Kota Ibushi
2) Ricochet
3) Will Ospreay
4) Neville
5) Io Shirai

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay
1) Will Ospreay
2) Kota Ibushi
3) Ricochet
4) Caristico
5) Fenix

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD
1) AJ Styles
2) Kenny Omega
3) Johnny Gargano
4) Kazuchika Okada
5) Sami Zayn
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--- RATINGS FORM ---

Brawling:
Mostly old-school NWA/WWE Main Event style. This covers things like punches, any move with a "bomb" or "slam" in the name and standard suplexes.
Archetypes - "Stone Cold" era Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Stan Hansen
1) Kevin Owens
2) Samoa Joe
3) Masato Tanaka
4) Tomohiro Ishii
5) Roman Reigns

Puroresu:
Kicks, knees, elbows. Head drops or moves with "driver" in the name. Anything that would fit in to peak AJPW/NOAH would fit here.
Archetypes - Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Katsuyori Shibata
1) Katsuyori Shibata
2) Hideo Itami/KENTA
3) Yuji Nagata
4) Daisuke Sekimoto
5) Shingo Takagi

Hardcore:
The fine art of weapons based matches. Onita-era FMW/ECW style.
Archetypes - Mick Foley, Atsushi Onita, return from 33rd retirement era Terry Funk
1) Jun Kasai
2) Matt Tremont
3) Jaki Numazawa
4) Nick Gage
5) Joey Janela

Chain Wrestling:
This is all about chaining moves together in sequence so there is no down time.
Archetypes - Steamboat/Macho Man WM3, Meiko Satumura, peak William Regal
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Kyle O'Reilly
3) Jon Gresham
4)Minoru Suzuki
5) Shotaro Ashino

Mat Wrestling:
Quite simply, this is about the ability to wrestle on the ground in a way that the crowd likes.
Archetypes - peak Kurt Angle, Zack Sabre Jr, Hideki Suzuki
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Minoru Suzuki
3) Pete Dunne
4) Daniel Bryan
5) Drew Gulak

Submissions:
The most important point here is that they work towards a submission finish (i.e. "Working a body part"). A worker having a submission finish (i.e. Cena's STF) shouldn't necessitate a high rating, but rather someone who sets up a submission throughout the match.
Archetypes - Bret Hart, peak Kurt Angle, ROH-era Daniel Bryan
1) Zack Sabre Jr
2) Minoru Suzuki
3) Daniel Bryan
4) Drew Gulak
5) KONAMI(Not necessarily the best in the world or really in Joshi as a whole, basically put here to focus on the massive strides she has made in her time in Stardom.)

Aerial:
This is all about high flying abilities… not just all the moves you can do (which could be covered by athleticism/flashiness) but how much the crowd can enjoy your matches as a result of what you can do
Archetypes - Manami Toyota, Kota Ibushi, peak Rey Mysterio
1) Ricochet
2) Kota Ibushi
3) Will Ospreay
4) Gran Metalik(Mascara Dorada)
5) Nick Jackson

Flashiness:
"Holy $%!^" moments in wrestling. Ricochet/Ospreay matches
Archetypes - Kota Ibushi, Ricochet, Will Ospreay
1) Ricochet
2) Will Ospreay
3) Kota Ibushi
4) Caristico
5) Fenix

Selling:
Making the impact of moves look good. It’s also about bringing in the effects of being hit by moves into the long term plan of a match.
Archetypes - Curt Hennig, Ricky Steamboat, RVD
1) Dolph Ziggler
2) Sami Zayn
3) Johnny Gargano
4) Kairi Sane(Kairi Hojo)
5) Kevin Owens
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