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Unread 07-17-2019, 03:37 AM
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Do it. Not only because it's the ethical and humane thing to do, but also because you never know how the reign will turn out or change your opinion on him. He may very well become a megastar for you personally and someone you value even more going forward.

Besides, having 4 pillars is so 1990s AJPW. You clearly should be going for five pillars, including two guys who can form a tag team pillar if needed. In your case you can send Kazuchika Okada and Shinsuke Nakamura to dominate the heavyweight tag division for CHAOS, leaving Goto, Tanahashi and Styles at the singles scene with a few rotating guys.
The thing with Okada is he isn't in CHAOS yet. Goto is. Which sort of makes Goto & Nakamura more likely. The reasoning here is because I can't really have Okada take over Nakamura's spot as leader, since Naka isn't leaving. I mean it could play out differently, but yeah. Maybe I'll have Okada joining CHAOS and Goto, who might be a big player, form his own faction, since right now Okada and Goto have been feuding a bit over the course of 2 years.

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Just put Goto's entrance music on a loop for a few hours and tell yourself... isn't this how all shows should end?

But for serious, Goto is one of my favourites in real life. He's a strong worker, with a good look, some great history and probably my favourite music at the moment. When it hits, I know good things are going to happen. And every time a tournament rolls around, I find myself trying to book stories in my head for how Goto will finally get the big win he deserves. Imagine him as NJPW's Kofi Kingston... and book him at least as strongly as that.
Oh I know, Goto is one of my favorites too! His new physique is so impressive and that theme song is easily one of the best of all time! You guys convinced him. I'll give Goto a crack at the big one.
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Unread 07-18-2019, 07:30 PM
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OK, started a new game with a modified Death of WCW. Started my own promotion with the hopes of eventually challenging the WWF/E. Here's the roster:

Main Event:
Trevor Murdock (World) F
Cassidy O'Reilly H
Mike Samson F
Mike Hettinga H (one strike due to steroids)

Upper Midcard:
Jason Cross F
Eric Priest H
JC Ice F
Kevin Northcutt H

Midcard:
Paul London F
Roderick Strong H
Matt Cross F
Chase Stevens H

Lower Midcarder:
Andy Douglas F

Enhancement Talent:
Austin Aries

Women's Division:
Sweet Saraya F
Lacey F
Susan Morton F
Miss Natural H (Women's)
Rain H
Amber O'Neal H

I'd appreciate some rules that could keep me playing awhile.
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Unread 07-23-2019, 12:07 PM
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So, I'm WWE in October 2017. I've had 205 Live for about a year and a half now. I'm floating the idea of a Cruiserweight Tag Team Championship. Now, this probably wouldn't materialize until at least after WrestleMania 34, so about 6 months from now. I have 5 teams currently, but I plan on one of them winning the Raw Tag Team Championships to build one of the members up for a cruiserweight title run.

So, basically, I'm wondering if I would be able to make both a cruiserweight tag title and main cruiserweight title scene interesting. And one of my teams won't be in the running until I get the Cruiserweight Title off of him or plans change. Anyway, here's what I got to work with. Also, if y'all have a better name for these teams, I would love to hear them.

Ground and Pound (Rhett Titus and Tony Nese) (heel)
Real Deal (Mustafa Ali and James Ellsworth) (babyface)
Lucha Dragons (Kalisto and Sin Cara) (babyface)
Anti Cruiserweights (Drew Gulak and Jack Gallagher) (heel)
The Singh Brothers (Sunil and Samir Singh with TJ Perkins as leader) (heel)

Besides Lucha Dragons and the Singh Brothers, the teams were formed due to discovered chemistry.

Kind of a team in Sami Zayn and The Brian Kendrick, but Kendrick is a friend to Sami, who is current Cruiserweight Champion, and I have plans for Sami to team with Kevin Owens after losing the championship.

Other Cruiserweights I have (none of these guys are over C+ average popularity. Only Sami, Rhett, Ali, and Kendrick are in the B- and up group):
Noam Dar
Ariya Daivari
Lince Dorado
Gran Metalik
Akira Tozawa
Mandrews
Eric Young
Cedric Alexander
Buddy Murphy
Heath Slater
Hideo Itami

So yeah, I'm just wondering if I can book 2 compelling divisions out of this, especially if some of the team members go for the solo title once in a while.
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Unread 07-24-2019, 04:36 AM
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So, I'm WWE in October 2017...
I think 5 teams, maybe 6 if you keep Zayn & Kendrick friendly during Zayn's time teaming with Owens, is definitely enough to keep a tag division compelling, especially as you clearly like to test chemistry and will hopefully find some more positive chemistry as you go along!

Is your 205 still just an hour? Looking at that roster, I'd guess you've lengthened it to 90 mins or even two hours, but if you're still at an hour, you have more than enough!
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Unread 07-29-2019, 09:11 PM
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I think 5 teams, maybe 6 if you keep Zayn & Kendrick friendly during Zayn's time teaming with Owens, is definitely enough to keep a tag division compelling, especially as you clearly like to test chemistry and will hopefully find some more positive chemistry as you go along!

Is your 205 still just an hour? Looking at that roster, I'd guess you've lengthened it to 90 mins or even two hours, but if you're still at an hour, you have more than enough!
Thanks for your input mate. It is just an hour, but I've been thinking about bumping it up to 90 mins.

And of course, Gallagher got injured for a year.
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Unread 08-11-2019, 03:07 PM
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It's 1990 WCW, and I've got a feud between two three man stables. I'm not sure who to have go over so thought I'd ask the forum who they'd like to see win.

Legacy - Curt Hennig, Jeff Jarrett and Dustin Rhodes. Second Generation Star baby faces, I'll probably turn them heel at some point but right now they're the blue eyed blonde future of WCW. Dustin and Jeff are Tag champions.

New Blood - Gangrel, Viscera and Vampiro.

A stable of vampires. All three are midcarders and yet to hold any titles, but they've been protected and pushed hard, only losing a couple of matches so far, mostly to Legacy members.

The feud is going to end, probably at the next big show, in a 3 V 3 Casket Match.

Reasons Legacy should win: They're far more popular and on a good roll, and they'll probably whine if I tell them to lose. They're also far better workers and probably have a bigger long term future than New Blood.

Reasons New Blood should win: The Casket match should be their gimmick so I don't really want them losing. Also they've lost a few title shots and basically taken the brunt of the feud. And I have plans for them to fight the Steiners after, and if they're back to Lower Midcard that isn't going to work.
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Unread 08-12-2019, 09:21 PM
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I'm looking for storyline ideas for my MLW save. I'm not necessarily looking for specific storylines, as I have some storyline mods that I'm just going to go down the list and use storylines from there, what I'm more interested in is how many storylines should I have? Like should all my storylines be devoted to upper midcarders and main eventers? Should I have some storylines for wrestlers lower in the card? I've always played without storylines for the most part, but wanted to try something new. I'm also playing with the face/heel divide turned on, usually I turn it off.
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Unread 08-13-2019, 05:43 AM
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I am turning War to Settle the Score into a KOTR-style tournament in my HGC/TCW C-Verse '97 game and have just drawn up the Last 16 brackets. I'd be interested in seeing how other people would book through it (and particularly who they would have win it). I can see good arguments for probably a dozen of the entrants.

I have added seedings in [ ], heels in red and faces in blue. Small blurb on each one's position in the game world afterwards.

Vengeance [1] vs Jeremy Stone [16]
Freddie Datsun [8] vs Sean McFly [9]
Bruce the Giant [5] vs Dread [12]
Jack Bruce [4] vs Ricky Dale Johnson [13]
Christian Faith [3] vs Runaway Train [14]
Mr Hollywood [6] vs Dan Stone Jr [11]
Sam Keith [7] vs Puerto Rican Power [10]
Liberty [2] vs Nemesis [15]

Bruce The Giant
Debuted in TCW in September 1998 as the surprise partner of a young Tommy Cornell to even the odds against his tormentors. While not intended to be a long-term partnership, their excellent tag team chemistry changed that and they are the current reigning tag team champions of their brand. Bruce was originally brought in as a threat to the dominant Vengeance, and was on the shortlist to end his 18-month World Heavyweight title run. Is now the time to pull the trigger on a singles run for The Giant?

Average USA Popularity: A

Christian Faith
Seemingly an SWF-lifer, the former Supreme champion jumped ship in August 1998, one month after dropping the SWF title. The 15-year veteran (though still only 33) set about vanquishing the dark forces of Nemesis, Geidroyc and the Darkness Warriors, before moving into a star-making feud with Rich Money, which positioned the youngster to dethrone Vengeance. Money has since left under the cloud of a scandal and after news of the scandal, Faith was chosen as the guy to take the TCW World Heavyweight title, most recently retaining against Freddie Datsun.

Average USA Popularity: A*

Dan Stone Jr
The Stones and DeColts moved south to join TCW in November 1997, as the company looked to expand. Dan Stone Jr has emerged as one of the most consistently impressive members of that group of signings, alongside his brother Jeremy. His 21-month tenure has seen a Stone-DeColt feud, and a dissolution of the Stone Family bond after the arrival of Sean McFly. A one-time TCW tag team champion, Stone has yet to make a real mark on the championships of TCW. He recently turned face once again, and perhaps now is the time for him to take the next step?

Average USA Popularity: B+

Jeremy Stone
Signed alongside his siblings in November 1997, the eldest of the Stone children has shown himself to be a superb hand in his 21-month run. He has passed on a lot of his expertise and knowledge to his siblings and the DeColt Boys, helping to establish all the Canadians as important parts of the TCW roster. He had an excellent six-month run as TCW Junior Heavyweight Champion, putting the title on the map before dropping it to Sean McFly. Still not quite stepped up to Main Event level but is only one more strong run away from it.

Average USA Popularity: B

Liberty
The homegrown star for the future and the inaugural TCW International Champion in January 1997. He has since made that title his own, and is currently on his second run with the belt, which is arguably more important in the eyes of the fans than the World Heavyweight title after the Rich Money scandal. His feuds with Sam Strong, Rip Chord, Nemesis, Dusty Streets and Dread have seen him improve dramatically, and his natural star power has helped him elevate fellow next-gen stars Jack Bruce, Ricky Dale Johnson, Freddie Datsun and Puerto Rican Power. Always a front-runner for accolades, he would perhaps be the obvious choice to be the first winner of this tournament.

Average USA Popularity: A

Ricky Dale Johnson
One of TCW’s (claimed) homegrown stars, despite his run in TWL, it was not until he joined the then-HGC that he was given national prominence. Pushed as one of the three young-stars alongside Liberty and Jack Bruce against the three star veterans Rip Chord, Sam Strong and Nemesis, RDJ clicked with the fans instantly. He rose alongside his peers in popularity but has not improved in the ring to the same extent, nor on the microphone. Despite his push cooling due to new signings, RDJ’s popularity with the fans has not waned, even as he has been used to help others (such as Rich Money) take the next step to the Main Event. An outsider on paper but maybe the fans’ choice?

Average USA Popularity: A

Sam Keith
The recently fired ex-Head Booker of SWF joined TCW in July 1999 and embroiled himself in a feud with Jack Bruce that has shown no signs of ending soon. A veteran and a champion in four countries already, he is undoubtedly one of the best talents in the world and a seasoned and reliable figure. Signed in the wake of Rich Money’s departure, it is easy to see him as a direct replacement for the disgraced former champion. His perceived failure at SWF was a result of a systematic attacks and pillaging from TCW. He has a chip on his shoulder and something to prove but is an SWF ‘failure’ the right choice for this tournament?

Average USA Popularity: A

Sean McFly
Debuted in January 1999 after a strong run in SWF, his departure from that company was the penultimate nail in the coffin (before the poaching of Sam Keith). He was brought in strong and quickly became the SWF Junior Heavyweight Champion, and he has made that title as valuable as the World Heavyweight title. His matches have been consistently excellent, and he has been generous in letting others take victories from him along the way. With a sustained push on top, McFly could easily break into the top pack of TCW stars – is now the time?

Average USA Popularity: B+

Dread
A legend in his own right, Dread returned from almost 12 years in Japan in June 1998 as an ally for the newly heel Sam Strong. He was initially cast as a roadblock to get to the legendary Strong but as he produced consistently impressive results, he slowly morphed into a star in his own right once again. At 37, he does not have many years left but was ranked #13 in the world in 1998. There is still something left in the tank but if he is to get one last big run, it needs to start sooner rather than later. His team with Runaway Train has put him back on a dominant path, and he comes into this tournament with a lot of momentum.

Average USA Popularity: A

Freddie Datsun
Datsun joined TCW as an everyman babyface in February 1997 so he is in many people’s eyes a homegrown talent despite his success in DAVE. He found himself in the now-defunct TCW Hardcore division in his early days, feuding with veterans such as Mike Barstow and The Demons of Rage. He was selected as fodder for Vengeance early in the monster’s title reign, and took the opportunity with both hands, getting himself over massively with the fans. He moved into the stratosphere with a surprise heel turn and feuds with Jack Bruce and Liberty. He looked on course to dethrone Vengeance in his second feud with the champion but plans were changed very last minute in favour of Rich Money. Maybe Datsun deserves a chance to prove he was the right choice after all…

Average USA Popularity: A*

Jack Bruce
With the company from the start, Jack Bruce is a homemade superstar. He benefited from feuds with Sam Strong and Rip Chord early on, as well as a now-legendary feud with Liberty over the TCW International title. He was also lucky to have Rip Chord take him under his wing, which has seen him develop phenomenally as an in-ring talent. Combined with his natural entertainment skills and Star Quality, Bruce is the whole package now. He was angered to be turned heel but has thrived in that role for over a year now. It might be time for him to return to the throne as the top babyface in the company and this could be a vehicle for that turn.

Average USA Popularity: A

Mr Hollywood
An undoubted superstar plagued by demons. Butler signed for TCW in November 1998 and immediately spent three months in rehab. On his return, his drinking is having less of an obvious impact on his work but is still lingering in the background. He is in the conversation for best allrounder in wrestling and it remains a surprise that he has never held a championship in his 12-year career. His heel run as ‘Mr Hollywood’ has been a resounding success and he looks on course to dethrone Liberty as the TCW International Champion in their current feud. Has he finally put his demons behind him?

Average USA Popularity: A

Nemesis
A talented veteran, who is still working for DAVE alongside his TCW commitments. He was a reliable and valuable asset in the early days of TCW before moving into position as mentor to younger talents, helping to get Giedroyc, the Darkness Warriors, BLZ Bubb, Larry Wood and others over by association. He suffered a Compound Orbital Fracture in February that saw him relegated to the commentary booth. Now back in the ring, he is looking for one last run before time catches up with him. A strong run here could catapult him towards a first ever World title…

Average USA Popularity: B

Puerto Rican Power
The big Puerto Rican took a chance and joined TCW’s development system in January 1997. After 6 months there, he stepped up to the main roster, where he was involved in the TCW Hardcore division and then a reasonably successful tag team with BLZ Bubb. He received a TCW World Heavyweight title shots against both Rip Chord and Sam Strong in his native Puerto Rico, both B rated despite his D+ average rating for 1997. His impressive performances in those matches saw him receive a strong push in 1998, becoming TCW International Champion and feuding with Jack Bruce and Liberty. Since the end of that feud and dropping the title in March 1999, he has floundered slightly with a short feud with Shawn Gonzalez the only thing of note since then. He needs to re-find some momentum to take the next step to the upper end of the Main Event.

Average USA Popularity: A

Runaway Train
Signed to development in January 1997, and a former developmental champion, Runaway Train joined the main roster late in 1997 as a monster heel and a threat to rising stars Jack Bruce, Liberty, Ricky Dale Johnson and Rich Money, alternating feuds against them and lower card fodder to maintain his dominant aura. He became an onscreen ally of a heel Sam Strong and saw his stock begin to rise, eventually winning the TCW All Action title, a replacement for the old Hardcore title. His smash-mouth brawling style was contrasted against more agile competitors, leading to some entertaining bouts, before dropping the belt to Steve DeColt. He came up short against Vengeance in a brief World title feud and has since found success in a tag team alongside Dread. At 34, his time as a top act might have passed unless he can break out very soon…

Average USA Popularity: B+

Vengeance
Signed to TCW’s development territory in January 1997, he began appearing concurrently on the main show almost immediately, with a record of 41-0 in TCW, including taking the TCW World Heavyweight title from Sam Strong in November 1997. He feuded with the very best TCW had to offer through his run, and only lost twice in 1998 (51-2), once in an eight-man tag and once as the unpinned participant in a Triple Threat. In 1999, he has been beaten in another eight-man tag and a Fatal Fourway, as well as a 30-minute time limit draw with Freddie Datsun, and finally in a clean loss to Rich Money to end his 18-month title reign. That loss saw the monster snap and he has formed Vengeance Unlimited, turning heel once again, alongside BLZ Bubb and Morpheus. Is this the start of another monster run after his stunning defeat at the hands of the now-disgraced Money?

Average USA Popularity: A*

So... how would you book through that tournament?
Okay, I know next-to-nothing about TCW, but based on all of that information, here is how I would personally book the tournament:

First thing I noticed was that you have Sam Keith and Jack Bruce fighting over who's the best wrestler with two first names (), so I would have Bruce cost Keith his first round match against PRP. I would also have Bruce beat RDJ, purely so that Keith can return the favour and cost him his second round match!

So Bruce beats Dread and Liberty beats Nemesis to keep the face/heel dynamic in the second round. Vengeance should beat Jeremy Stone because of the big gulf in popularity, but then you have to convince Datsun to lose to McFly, but their gap in pop is slightly less...

Faith is the remaining A* pop guy, so have him beat Runaway Train, and therefore Mr Hollywood can beat Dan Stone Jr to fill out the second round.

I've already said I'd have Keith cost Bruce in the second round, so that's Bruce in the semi-finals, and I'd have Vengeance beat McFly regardless of face/heel, so that works nicely. For the other semi, I'd either see if I can convince Faith to lose to Mr Hollywood and have Liberty beat PRP to set up a Hollywood/Liberty semi, or I'd have Faith beat Hollywood, then Hollywood rage attack Liberty, leaving him easy pickings for PRP.

Here's where personal preference comes in. I tend to push my popular guys in the first tournament to establish its prestige out the gate, so I'd go for a Vengeance/Faith final, but if your priority is establishing a new star, I'd have Liberty win the whole thing, beating Vengeance in the final.

Just my thoughts on it, though
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Unread 08-13-2019, 06:24 AM
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It's 1990 WCW, and I've got a feud between two three man stables. I'm not sure who to have go over so thought I'd ask the forum who they'd like to see win.

Legacy - Curt Hennig, Jeff Jarrett and Dustin Rhodes. Second Generation Star baby faces, I'll probably turn them heel at some point but right now they're the blue eyed blonde future of WCW. Dustin and Jeff are Tag champions.

New Blood - Gangrel, Viscera and Vampiro.

A stable of vampires. All three are midcarders and yet to hold any titles, but they've been protected and pushed hard, only losing a couple of matches so far, mostly to Legacy members.

The feud is going to end, probably at the next big show, in a 3 V 3 Casket Match.

Reasons Legacy should win: They're far more popular and on a good roll, and they'll probably whine if I tell them to lose. They're also far better workers and probably have a bigger long term future than New Blood.

Reasons New Blood should win: The Casket match should be their gimmick so I don't really want them losing. Also they've lost a few title shots and basically taken the brunt of the feud. And I have plans for them to fight the Steiners after, and if they're back to Lower Midcard that isn't going to work.
Have Legacy take the L here. New Blood is a heel stable and needs a protected gimmick perhaps to keep them going. Legacy can just come back with an added edge, perhaps verging them more on tweener. Dustin Rhodes could even break into his Goldust character.

Let us try to break this down... if New Blood wins... they're strong, perhaps even strong enough to warrant a filler main event title defense. If they lose... now what? They've been beaten by the "up and comers." Basically the "future main eventers" meaning they aren't good enough. They're below the guys that aren't the guys. Which isn't the worst, but you have to factor, it isn't even a traditional wrestling match. It is a match that should specifically favor the vampire faction. Giving them an undefeated casket match gimmick would be excellent storytelling down the line, as well.

As a casual fan, if I was watching your product, I wouldn't know where the heels could go after losing to them either. Do... they challenge a weaker team to a casket match? Do... they lose a tag title match? They basically are done after that, it seems.

This is just me on the outside looking in, of course. Your roster could be stacked beyond belief. But, if these guys are getting some focus, they should at the very least come out of this match looking strong.

As for the mechanics the game require... I assume it is a midcard feud, have the New Blood cheat to win. Have a new member be introduced, or have "the lights go out and a bloodbath happens." Anything. "Keep strong" is what I mean in general, but you know. The match taking a slight quality hit shouldn't impact your card much.
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Unread 08-14-2019, 11:43 AM
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Have Legacy take the L here. New Blood is a heel stable and needs a protected gimmick perhaps to keep them going. Legacy can just come back with an added edge, perhaps verging them more on tweener. Dustin Rhodes could even break into his Goldust character.

Let us try to break this down... if New Blood wins... they're strong, perhaps even strong enough to warrant a filler main event title defense. If they lose... now what? They've been beaten by the "up and comers." Basically the "future main eventers" meaning they aren't good enough. They're below the guys that aren't the guys. Which isn't the worst, but you have to factor, it isn't even a traditional wrestling match. It is a match that should specifically favor the vampire faction. Giving them an undefeated casket match gimmick would be excellent storytelling down the line, as well.

As a casual fan, if I was watching your product, I wouldn't know where the heels could go after losing to them either. Do... they challenge a weaker team to a casket match? Do... they lose a tag title match? They basically are done after that, it seems.

This is just me on the outside looking in, of course. Your roster could be stacked beyond belief. But, if these guys are getting some focus, they should at the very least come out of this match looking strong.

As for the mechanics the game require... I assume it is a midcard feud, have the New Blood cheat to win. Have a new member be introduced, or have "the lights go out and a bloodbath happens." Anything. "Keep strong" is what I mean in general, but you know. The match taking a slight quality hit shouldn't impact your card much.
Yeah cheers man, I think you're right. I do have a pretty bloated roster but I like my vampire stable, and while I've got plans for Legacy they can wait for a while. I like the idea of a fourth member, I might see if any of my roster need a gimmick change and can get kidnapped this week on Nitro before the ppv...
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Unread 08-14-2019, 03:52 PM
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So, Legacy took the loss...

And then Curt Hennig turned up positive for hard drugs the next day.

Good thing he just lost a casket match and I have an excuse to write him out for 4 months of rehab...
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Unread 08-15-2019, 04:35 AM
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So, Legacy took the loss...

And then Curt Hennig turned up positive for hard drugs the next day.

Good thing he just lost a casket match and I have an excuse to write him out for 4 months of rehab...
Funny how these things sometimes just work out...
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Unread 08-15-2019, 01:33 PM
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So, Legacy took the loss...

And then Curt Hennig turned up positive for hard drugs the next day.

Good thing he just lost a casket match and I have an excuse to write him out for 4 months of rehab...
That was somewhat fortunate
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A bit of a presumptuous question, but I figure it can't hurt to ask.

So I've been messing around with Genadi's 2001 WCW Survives mod. Still a lot of work I want to do, but I'm starting to plan. The intent is obviously to run WCW, which will start at Cult, shorn of most of its top stars, and now owned by Shane McMahon. The intent is to build around some of the WCW youngsters, ECW leftovers, and the host of young talent on the indy scene by mid-2001. An idea I used with PWI in the ThunderVerse is to introduce an old school masked patriot wrestler, under an American mask. The main Patriot would be somebody relatively known but solid in the ring and obviously American. Ideally, they would become an upper midcard mainstay but not necessarily ever become a main eventer. The main role would be using the Patriot gimmick as a way to introduce new young talent, as the main Patriot would always have one or two young protégés, also working under similar mask. After a time, the youngsters would unmask and work under their own character. The youngster gets some help building popularity on the main roster and if the main Patriot is solid in the ring, some development from tagging with the boss.

Asaemon provided me with some his great mask renders on a blank background, which I have converted to JPG (small black border, white background) and they actually look really solid in the game. Asaemon was even kind enough to create some really nice looking Patriot masks that I will use for this (they are in his thread, check them out).

Now, I think I've settled on the main Patriot - Chris Harris. He was on the WCW roster at the end. He should have decent potential. He can play a babyface. He's fairly raw at this point, but I figured I would stash him in development until after September as the tragedy of 9/11 would make this kind of character impactful. By then, he could/should have in the ring skills to be pushable.

What I'm still deciding on - and what I'd like some suggestions on - is who else would make good options to bring in as part of the Patriot stable and later on have unmask? They need to be American (though race doesn't matter), decently talented (or at least can be developed), moderately athletic, and available in the mid-2001 to 2003 range. A lot of available talent who are certain to be stars don't really need help being introduced (CM Punk, Samoa Joe, and the like). I considered using James Storm in this way (also on the WCW roster at the end) but I think his cowboy gimmick could have legs on its own. Bryan Danielson is also a maybe as, again, he can stand on his own. So suggestions on who I can use along with Harris?
Christopher Daniels was floating around WCW at that time. Ditto AJ Styles. Mike Modest was well thought of at the time and getting undercard run in the company. Maybe Donovan Morgan. The ties to WCW aren't there as such but like Modest is a guy who was highly regarded at the time but didn't get the big time run that a Styles or Daniels did.
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Unread 08-19-2019, 01:06 AM
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Bison Smith, BJ Whitmer, Donovan Morgan, Keith Walker and Mike Modest are NOAH gaijin with very little character who I think would do well under masks.
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