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Unread 06-01-2016, 08:03 AM
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Is there a "beginner's guide" thread for TEW anywhere? I seem to recall one existing way back when, but not for more recent versions. I guess that's what this thread is for, sort of, but I'm not thinking of small questions.

It'd be somewhere between a manual and the promotion specific threads, just setting out the fundamentals like how to get someone over, how to get/keep a feud hot and so on.
Adam's working on a tutorial thread at the moment.

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Unread 06-01-2016, 08:44 AM
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Is there a "beginner's guide" thread for TEW anywhere? I seem to recall one existing way back when, but not for more recent versions. I guess that's what this thread is for, sort of, but I'm not thinking of small questions.

It'd be somewhere between a manual and the promotion specific threads, just setting out the fundamentals like how to get someone over, how to get/keep a feud hot and so on.

And before someone says 'Hot angles/matches, duh' please bear in mind that not everyone runs WWE/SWF. How you get someone over in a small/local/regional fed is very different to being able to have them jump Jack Bruce every week for 3 months until, bang, A* overness

It'd be a thread that could accumulate the wisdom/experience of veteran players (like Remianen, for example) who've run countless games over all the versions and know how to run companies that grow and build new stars. Whether to rely on the default angles or create your own ones. How to pace a feud when you're booking monthly shows vs. a regular TV/PPV schedule. It might include guidance on what should be considered successful at different size levels - an E show at local is small, not so much at regional, and so on.

A thread like this could even be useful for more experienced players - I know I have trouble getting workers over in smaller feds, for example, so my ratings tend to stagnate as my main eventers don't gain as much from their matches as the undercard do.
I see Jaded already noted that Adam is trying to put together a tutorial/teaching thread, but I can add a bit here.

1) Angles mostly matter for promotions that run a more entertainment style, and the default ones can work fine if you pay attention to what they are graded on. Putting that no name F- popularity worker in an interview angle graded on overness is a bad idea.

2) In general you want your show grade to be 1 full grade above your current overness in the region when possible. So a local fed is going to see their popularity climb with a show that is E- or higher. They can still grow with an F+ show if the wrestling industry is high, but aim for a full grade and you won't have trouble.

I can add a bit more if I knew where you were as I almost always run games with local feds to start and grow them, so I've gotten more than one local fed up to cult over the course of a long game, but Remianen probably knows more.
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And before someone says 'Hot angles/matches, duh' please bear in mind that not everyone runs WWE/SWF. How you get someone over in a small/local/regional fed is very different to being able to have them jump Jack Bruce every week for 3 months until, bang, A* overness
Actually, the same applies. Remember that segment grades are relative to promotion size. So a D+ rated angle in a local promotion is FIRE. At those sizes, you don't want your workers getting over quickly because they'll move beyond your budget. Unless you're like me and use your most over workers multiple times per show (and you really should), that could make them cost-prohibitive.

At local and small, my most expensive workers are often the people who can affect the show in more than one way. In past games, I typically splurged on a highly rated road agent for this reason (remember Crippler Ray Kingman back in the day?). If you've been to any micro-indy shows at all, you can easily get an idea of how things probably should work. The typical formula I've seen has been:

Open with angle by authority figure (usually the owner and/or booker)
Match between trainees (often a tag match)
Midcard vs Midcard match
Promo by worker(s) in the advertised main event (shown on the flatscreens if they're fancy)
Upper mid vs upper mid match
Promo by other worker(s) in the advertised main event
Main event match, sometimes ending in a schmozz featuring everyone else who worked on the show

As you can see, everybody (except the person/people in charge) worked at least twice during the show. That's a value proposition. That also happens to be how it's done in real life, many times. Think of John Cena with the US Open Challenge thing. He'd come out and cut a promo (angle), lay down the challenge (angle), someone answers the challenge (angle), then they'd have the match. That's four uses from a (if not THE) top guy, on a written contract. Vanity booking does the same thing (think of Triple H and Steph during the height of The Authority bit - 20 minute opening angle then multiple smaller angles during the show).

If you have trouble getting your main eventers over but your undercard has no issues, try pitting your main eventers against your best undercard workers but don't use the 'open match' note. The goal is to make the main eventer seem a lot better (and in this instance, you probably don't want it as your main event). Or, open your show with a squash with a main eventer and an undercard worker. The undercard worker can be made up later but you're trying to boost your headliners so it's all good.
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Why do some of my main eventers lose popularity between shows? Im running weekly shows as a cult level promotion. It's happening mostly to younger main event guys like Aaron Andrews while more established guys like Marat and guys lower on the card have been fine.

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Why do some of my main eventers lose popularity between shows? Im running weekly shows as a cult level promotion. It's happening mostly to younger main event guys like Aaron Andrews while more established guys like Marat and guys lower on the card have been fine.
Are they only working for you, or elsewhere too?
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If you have trouble getting your main eventers over but your undercard has no issues, try pitting your main eventers against your best undercard workers but don't use the 'open match' note. The goal is to make the main eventer seem a lot better (and in this instance, you probably don't want it as your main event). Or, open your show with a squash with a main eventer and an undercard worker. The undercard worker can be made up later but you're trying to boost your headliners so it's all good.
This is the thing for me - using my 2013 PSW game for reference, as it's my most recent long-term game:

Jason Thunder went from 0-26 (ET-Opener) in 9 months in the Tri-State just by being in matches, mostly winning, some losing.

Sayeed Ali went from 20-45 (LM-UM) in 7 months, mostly by winning matches.

Nelson Callum went from 32-45 (MC-UM) in 6 months, mainly winning but some losses.

Those are all fine and, broadly, what I'd expect. However, Callum has been on a storyline hot streak since hitting UM, has barely lost (if at all - and only in tags/to main eventers if so) but hasn't been able to crack the main event.

Steven Parker's popularity in the last 12 months in-game has been no lower than 50 and no higher than 53. In the same time he's gone from 35-59 in South West and 44-68 in Hawaii!

Ash Campbell went from 40 in March to a peak of 54 in December, but has crashed to 36 after some bad results.

Even Matthew Keith, my star guy and someone who should be easy to get over and keep over, seems to have plateaued in the mid-high 50s (although he's yet to break 60 anywhere, so may be capped).

(And this is why I thought a separate topic may be useful - this isn't a 'small' question anymore ).

As a Regional fed, I just seem to have hit this wall of not being able to break above C rated shows (13 of my 41 shows in 2+ years) or C+ matches (1 B- match in that time). This in spite of having a lot of talent on board (2014 PSW being pretty ridiculous in that regard).

If I can't get my workers more over, than I can't get the good matches. If I can't get the good matches, I can't get those workers over - and with angles grading out in the 50s, tops, unless I spam Scythe's menace then there's no answer there, either. (And this is a diary game, so "Scythe intimidates XYZ, XYZ fight back, Major Successes all around" isn't an ideal approach to take!)

I suspect this has improved a bit in 2016, as you can use better/more expensive workers, but even using the best available I don't seem to be able to get the guys past that hump from 'good Regional' to above.

It may be that I just need to focus on a small number of workers, and avoid having them face one another at all, but without an ME/ME main event or similar, the show ratings suffer, so it's a bit of a Catch-22.

I'm wondering what I'm missing, and finding myself reluctant to get into a long-term game on '16 until I can get a handle on what it is I need to do to build some momentum - even if it's just for one guy at a time, who can bring up another guy, and they can bring up two more guys, and...
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Are they only working for you, or elsewhere too?
Just me. I have all my main event workers on written deals. It usually happens after a show where they didn't gain any popularity. I usually get them over easily enough but usually a few days after a show without any pop gains, I'll notice a drop off of a couple popularity points. More of a minor annoyance really
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I'm wondering what I'm missing, and finding myself reluctant to get into a long-term game on '16 until I can get a handle on what it is I need to do to build some momentum - even if it's just for one guy at a time, who can bring up another guy, and they can bring up two more guys, and...
The only way you're going to find what works for you is to muddle through it in this edition. I can tell you that the same methods I used to get people over in TEW13 are working in TEW16, with some variances (i.e. highly rated angles don't produce quite as much popularity gains as they did in TEW13). My typical method involved getting one non-wrestler as over as possible and using them (in angles) to bootstrap whoever I wanted. That's why people like Emma Chase and Melanie Florence (and Jenny Playmate) hold so much value for me. Once they have the entertainment skills, getting the overness happens naturally over time, since they're used so often. And once they have the overness, everyone they work with is boosted. However, I would consider changing my product to more of a performance bias. The workers you have can GO in the ring so they may be better served gaining overness that way. You'll also find that you can run ME/UM and sometimes even ME/MC matches and still increase your promotion's popularity because of the skill of the workers involved. For that reason, I typically shy away from popularity biased products.
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The only way you're going to find what works for you is to muddle through it in this edition. I can tell you that the same methods I used to get people over in TEW13 are working in TEW16, with some variances (i.e. highly rated angles don't produce quite as much popularity gains as they did in TEW13). My typical method involved getting one non-wrestler as over as possible and using them (in angles) to bootstrap whoever I wanted. That's why people like Emma Chase and Melanie Florence (and Jenny Playmate) hold so much value for me. Once they have the entertainment skills, getting the overness happens naturally over time, since they're used so often. And once they have the overness, everyone they work with is boosted. However, I would consider changing my product to more of a performance bias. The workers you have can GO in the ring so they may be better served gaining overness that way. You'll also find that you can run ME/UM and sometimes even ME/MC matches and still increase your promotion's popularity because of the skill of the workers involved. For that reason, I typically shy away from popularity biased products.
Remianen, has some good advice. Note, he admits that a fed with a product that runs off overness (popularity) rather than performance is much more difficult to book. You can't just ride 1-2 top performers up and have them bring the rest up. You have to build overness with feuds, good matches and some well timed upset wins.
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I'm a regional fed that needs to break 60 pop in the South West to gain popularity. I ran three months straight ever show in the South West and had show ratings higher than 60 every time, is my popularity slowed due to over exposure of live events in the area? If so, does anyone know the actual in game match on when I should return to South West again? This is my home territory.
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I'm a regional fed that needs to break 60 pop in the South West to gain popularity. I ran three months straight ever show in the South West and had show ratings higher than 60 every time, is my popularity slowed due to over exposure of live events in the area? If so, does anyone know the actual in game match on when I should return to South West again? This is my home territory.
It can't just be 'higher than 60', it has to be significantly higher than 60 (like 72ish or higher). You'll also be stymied by a poor industry rating and/or economy. It's not just booking good shows. There are things that are beyond your control that can affect you as well.

Try running a show or two in the North West or Northern Mexico (your spillover areas) and see if that helps. I haven't encountered fan fatigue just yet but I rotate my shows (based in Mid South with one show a month in Mid West and one a month in the South East or South West).

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One of the question marks in-game states that you can run as many shows as you like in an area and not worry about fan fatigue... the only issue you will ever encounter is a drop in buy rates if you run more than 1 PPV a month, but that just makes sense.
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is it possible to end a story at an event and then start one later on?

Basically ive got a couple of story lines I want to end and two of the wrestlers involved I want to start a story line with them.... te first part being how one has cost the other a crucial match in the PPV ie the match that would end the story hes involved in. However I cant seem find a way to do it and as far as I can tell you cant have people in multiple story lines so I do need to end the ones they are in first?
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I'm a regional fed that needs to break 60 pop in the South West to gain popularity. I ran three months straight ever show in the South West and had show ratings higher than 60 every time, is my popularity slowed due to over exposure of live events in the area? If so, does anyone know the actual in game match on when I should return to South West again? This is my home territory.
1) How much higher was your show rating over your current popularity? If your popularity is 60 and your show only got a 61 rating you won't see much of an improvement.

2) what is the important of the region. You jump up when your influence is over the minimum in the region, not your popularity. If a region has only 75% influence, you need to have 33% more popularity.

example. Target influence 60, region importance 75%

Popularity of 60 x .75 = 45 influence You are short.
Popularity of 72 x .75 = 54 Still short
Popularity of 80 X .75 = 60 You'd finally see the pop at 80 popularity.
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