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Unread 02-12-2018, 11:51 AM
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Default Increasing soccer kicks / stomps / ground knees

After 15 cards, and watching all fights, I’ve yet to see a single stomp/soccer kick, or a knee to the head of a grounded opponent

Was looking to create a Vale Tudo style company, but regardless of the rules settings it seems to be using standard MMA format and rules

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Unread 02-13-2018, 04:51 AM
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No, it is not using the standard rules.

You're not seeing many of them because they're quite rare - if the fight doesn't have any knock downs or gets into a position with someone in a turtled up position then there is no chance at all of them happening because those are the only locations that they are active.

I have raised the percentages slightly for patch 1.06. You can also increase the odds by giving people the appropriate attribute. I may add more positions for them in future.
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Unread 02-13-2018, 07:57 AM
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They do happen (and this is with patch 1.05 ... I forgot to update this morning):

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(Rd 2 - 04:30) She's down! Miura falls to the floor!
(Rd 2 - 04:22) Moving quickly, Watson comes in looking to finish with soccer kicks and stomps!
(Rd 2 - 04:22) Somehow Miura hangs on, surviving a flurry of stomps and kicks to the body!
(Rd 2 - 04:03) On her back, Miura watches as Watson leaps up and attempts a flying stomp!


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(Rd 4 - 03:25) Miura is knocked down by that shot!
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Watson is breathing very hard.
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Without hesitation, Watson goes to finish Miura off with stomps and kicks!
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Watson goes to work on Miura with vicious stomps and kicks, but can't finish her!


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- 'The Blonde Bombshell' April Watson vs. Fusae Miura
- From 'AWFC 7: McClay vs. Ken' (from the save game 'WMMAGame1')
- Created 13 February 2018

(Rd 1 - 05:00) Moving on, 'The Blonde Bombshell' April Watson competes against Fusae Miura.
(Rd 1 - 05:00) Joshua Lopez will be the referee.
(Rd 1 - 05:00) Our judges are: Reginald Wodehouse, Franklin Mencken, and Richie Hope.
(Rd 1 - 05:00) Round one begins!
(Rd 1 - 05:00) They start with a touch of gloves.
(Rd 1 - 04:45) A jab hits home from Watson and then she hits a high right kick to the side of the head.
(Rd 1 - 04:45) Blood is visible on Miura, a strike looks to have opened up a nasty cut above her eye.
(Rd 1 - 04:26) Watson fails to find a home for her jab, but then hits Miura with a beautiful right uppercut!
(Rd 1 - 04:26) Miura is knocked down by that shot!
(Rd 1 - 04:21) Watson knows that this is a golden opportunity and quickly pounces on Miura, looking to finish her off by raining down punches!
(Rd 1 - 04:21) Watson unloads with big rights and Miura is getting rocked!
(Rd 1 - 04:07) Miura shows great composure by keeping her nerve and sweeping Watson as she rains down strikes! A scramble for position results.
(Rd 1 - 04:07) The scramble results in Watson being on her back pulling half guard.
(Rd 1 - 03:53) Miura looks to pass half guard and get side control.
(Rd 1 - 03:53) Miura is too skilled for Watson, passing half guard and gaining side control.
(Rd 1 - 03:04) Miura throws a few strikes, but they are without venom.
(Rd 1 - 02:45) Miura fires off a handful of punches, each easily being blocked with gloves.
(Rd 1 - 02:18) Miura keeps Watson guessing with a few quick strikes.
(Rd 1 - 01:51) Referee Joshua Lopez decides that there is a lack of progress being made and stands them back up.
(Rd 1 - 01:46) Moving around, Miura is looking for an opening to grapple without getting hit coming in.
(Rd 1 - 01:46) Two jabs hit home from Watson and then she hits a nice straight right that lands hard.
(Rd 1 - 01:33) That last shot may have done some damage, Miura backs off until against the cage and tries to cover up! She looks dazed and unsteady!
(Rd 1 - 01:33) Watson tries to finish with a scorching right hand, but Miura slips past it at the very last possible second.
(Rd 1 - 01:28) Miura circles back to the center, having gotten the time she needed to regain her wits somewhat.
(Rd 1 - 01:28) The referee calls for a pause, he wants to check the cut on Miura.
(Rd 1 - 01:28) The doctor checks the wound, and doesn't take long to signal to the referee that it is only minor.
(Rd 1 - 01:28) Referee Joshua Lopez brings them to the center and we're back underway!
(Rd 1 - 01:20) Miura hits a tentative left hand.
(Rd 1 - 01:20) Watson can't connect with her set-up strikes, but then lands a right head kick.
(Rd 1 - 01:03) Watson fails to find a home for her jab, but then scores with a leg kick.
(Rd 1 - 00:51) We move into the final sixty seconds of this round.
(Rd 1 - 00:42) Watson lands a left jab, but misses with a vicious right hand.
(Rd 1 - 00:17) Watson steps in and looks to unleash.
(Rd 1 - 00:17) Miura looked like she was going to step in and grapple, but Watson simply took the initiative first.
(Rd 1 - 00:17) A jab hits home from Watson and then she catches Miura with a beautiful right kick to the head.
(Rd 1 - 00:05) Miura was rocked by that last shot! She backs away until up against the cage, covering up, but looks very unsteady!
(Rd 1 - 00:00) The time is up, and that's the end of round one.
(Rd 1 - 00:00) That was pretty dominant by Watson, a 10-8 round on my score card.
(Rd 2 - 05:00) Round two begins!
(Rd 2 - 04:52) Watson fails to find a home for her jab, but then lands a right hand.
(Rd 2 - 04:30) Watson looks confident, shortening the range as she looks to strike.
(Rd 2 - 04:30) Watson connects with a nice jab and then scores with a fantastic right cross!
(Rd 2 - 04:30) She's down! Miura falls to the floor!
(Rd 2 - 04:22) Moving quickly, Watson comes in looking to finish with soccer kicks and stomps!
(Rd 2 - 04:22) Somehow Miura hangs on, surviving a flurry of stomps and kicks to the body!
(Rd 2 - 04:03) On her back, Miura watches as Watson leaps up and attempts a flying stomp!
(Rd 2 - 04:03) Miura avoids it and gets back up.
(Rd 2 - 03:34) Watson can't hit a set-up left jab, but then catches Miura with a low kick to the front leg.
(Rd 2 - 03:26) Miura moves in fast and clinches with Watson.
(Rd 2 - 03:18) Miura is trying to push Watson so that her back is up against the cage.
(Rd 2 - 03:18) She does so and now has Watson pinned to the cage.
(Rd 2 - 03:05) Watson, backed against the cage, can't really do much thanks to the control that Miura is exerting.
(Rd 2 - 03:05) A full minute passes with the two opponents pressed up close and exchanging short punches to the body and side of the head.
(Rd 2 - 01:51) Watson, stuck with her back against the cage, is pretty much trapped there thanks to the control that Miura is exerting.
(Rd 2 - 01:51) A full minute elapses with very little happening other than some short punches and some posturing.
(Rd 2 - 00:39) The referee decides that there is a lack of progress being made and separates them.
(Rd 2 - 00:28) It looked like we were about to see Miura try and get some grappling started, but Watson was more aggressive and took the initiative.
(Rd 2 - 00:28) Watson connects with a nice jab and then hits Miura with a great high right head kick.
(Rd 2 - 00:14) Miura backs off and covers up...she is dazed! Watson comes forward, she knows that this is a chance for victory! Miura is trapped against the cage with nowhere to go!
(Rd 2 - 00:14) Watson is looking to get Miura in a Muay Thai clinch.
(Rd 2 - 00:14) Miura struggles against it and doesn't get caught. She is doing a great job of buying time to recover!
(Rd 2 - 00:00) Round two is brought to an end as time runs out.
(Rd 2 - 00:00) That has to go down as a 10-9 round to Watson.
(Rd 2 - 00:00) Watson is ahead 20-17 on my scorecard.
(Rd 3 - 05:00) There's the bell for the start of the round!
(Rd 3 - 04:46) Watson lands a left hand and then lands a right hand.
(Rd 3 - 04:24) Watson lands two left hands, but doesn't hit the leg kick follow-up.
(Rd 3 - 04:11) For the first time, Watson is starting to breathe a little heavier.
(Rd 3 - 03:57) Miura warily circles, looking for the opening she needs to initiate some grappling.
(Rd 3 - 03:57) A jab lands from Watson, but Miura catches the leg kick that follows!
(Rd 3 - 03:49) Holding the leg, Miura tries for a takedown.
(Rd 3 - 03:49) Watson refuses to be taken down and manages to eventually pull her leg free. She steps away to safety.
(Rd 3 - 03:15) Watson confidently comes in closer.
(Rd 3 - 03:15) Watson connects with a jab, but Miura avoids a big right.
(Rd 3 - 02:59) It looked like we were about to see Miura try and get some grappling started, but Watson was more aggressive and took the initiative.
(Rd 3 - 02:59) Watson fails to find a home for her jab, but then lands a big right hand.
(Rd 3 - 02:40) Watson hits a left jab and then hits Miura with a beauty of a straight right.
(Rd 3 - 02:30) We go past the halfway point of this round.
(Rd 3 - 02:18) Miura appeared to be going to try and get in close, but Watson took the initiative first.
(Rd 3 - 02:18) Watson connects with two left hands and then hits Miura with a beauty of a straight right.
(Rd 3 - 01:51) Watson connects with a nice jab and then hits a nice straight right that lands hard.
(Rd 3 - 01:36) Miura had looked like she was angling to grapple, but couldn't take the initiative.
(Rd 3 - 01:36) Watson can't connect with her set-up strikes, but then catches Miura with a right hook.
(Rd 3 - 01:17) Miura looked like she was going to step in and grapple, but Watson simply took the initiative first.
(Rd 3 - 01:17) Watson can't connect with a jab, but then catches Miura with a crunching right hook.
(Rd 3 - 01:00) We're into the final minute of the round.
(Rd 3 - 01:00) Miura looks like she wants to grapple but the threat of getting hit is keeping her from rushing in.
(Rd 3 - 01:00) A jab is wide from Watson, but then she lands a big right hand.
(Rd 3 - 00:41) Watson connects with a nice jab and then hits a body kick.
(Rd 3 - 00:25) Watson connects with a nice jab and then scores with a right cross that landed hard.
(Rd 3 - 00:04) Watson moves in closer, ready to attack.
(Rd 3 - 00:04) Watson connects with a nice jab and then hits a body kick.
(Rd 3 - 00:00) The time runs out on round three.
(Rd 3 - 00:00) That round belonged to Watson to the tune of 10-8.
(Rd 3 - 00:00) Even if she wins all the remaining rounds, I'm not sure Miura will be able to take the victory without a finish.
(Rd 4 - 05:00) And here we go, round four!
(Rd 4 - 04:46) Miura looked like she was going to step in and grapple, but Watson simply took the initiative first.
(Rd 4 - 04:46) Watson lands a left hand and then hits a scything kick to the legs of Miura.
(Rd 4 - 04:23) Watson connects with a nice jab and then hits a body kick.
(Rd 4 - 04:14) A few deep breaths betray that Watson is starting to get into the deeper reaches of her gas tank.
(Rd 4 - 04:08) Miura keeps slightly out of range, looking for a chance to dart in and start grappling.
(Rd 4 - 04:08) Watson fails to find a home for her jab, but then hits Miura with a leg kick.
(Rd 4 - 03:40) Watson looks confident, shortening the range as she looks to strike.
(Rd 4 - 03:40) Miura appeared to be going to try and get in close, but Watson took the initiative first.
(Rd 4 - 03:40) A jab hits home from Watson and then she scores with a right cross that landed hard.
(Rd 4 - 03:40) Her jaw may have been damaged by that shot, Miura looks hurt.
(Rd 4 - 03:25) A jab hits home from Watson and then she lands a vicious right cross!
(Rd 4 - 03:25) Miura is knocked down by that shot!
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Watson is breathing very hard.
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Without hesitation, Watson goes to finish Miura off with stomps and kicks!
(Rd 4 - 03:15) Watson goes to work on Miura with vicious stomps and kicks, but can't finish her!
(Rd 4 - 02:53) Watson gets pulled down into guard.
(Rd 4 - 02:41) Watson clings very tight to Miura while using short strikes, clearly trying to minimise the threat of a submission attempt.
(Rd 4 - 02:29) Miura goes for the sweep from the bottom of the guard.
(Rd 4 - 02:29) The sweep is successful, and both fighters scramble back to their feet.
(Rd 4 - 02:06) Watson lands a left hand and then catches Miura with a stunning right hook!
(Rd 4 - 02:06) Miura is knocked down by that shot!
(Rd 4 - 01:53) Watson senses victory and starts to unload with punches!
(Rd 4 - 01:53) Watson pounds away on Miura, landing several good shots in the process.
(Rd 4 - 01:35) Miura cleverly waits for Watson to over-commit and then sweeps her off balance, starting a scramble for position.
(Rd 4 - 01:35) Miura ends up pushing down on Watson who is facing her in turtle position.
(Rd 4 - 01:21) Miura floats over the turtled Watson and takes her back.
(Rd 4 - 01:15) Miura rolls the turtled Watson over and secures side control.
(Rd 4 - 01:03) In side control, Miura throws a couple of punches designed to keep Watson guessing.
(Rd 4 - 00:43) Miura punches down at Watson, but they are easily taken on the gloves.
(Rd 4 - 00:19) Miura pounds away with right hands, hitting several big shots.
(Rd 4 - 00:00) The time is up, and that's the end of round four.
(Rd 4 - 00:00) I think Watson took that round, 10-9 on my score card.
(Rd 4 - 00:00) Miura is in deep trouble with only one round remaining - I think she needs a finish or she will lose this fight.
(Rd 5 - 05:00) And here we go, one last round!
(Rd 5 - 04:54) Miura had looked like she was angling to grapple, but couldn't take the initiative.
(Rd 5 - 04:54) Watson lands a jab and then catches Miura with a stunning right hook!
(Rd 5 - 04:54) Miura is knocked down by that shot!
(Rd 5 - 04:43) Watson starts pounding away on Miura, looking to finish her off!
(Rd 5 - 04:43) Watson pounds away on Miura, landing several good shots in the process.
(Rd 5 - 04:24) Watson gets over excited trying to finish the fight and leaves herself open to being swept! Miura scrambles for position.
(Rd 5 - 04:24) Watson is left turtled up, facing Miura.
(Rd 5 - 04:07) Watson, turtled up, can do nothing to prevent Miura from taking her back.
(Rd 5 - 03:57) Watson cannot stop herself being rolled and secured in side control.
(Rd 5 - 03:32) Miura is trying to move from side control to mount.
(Rd 5 - 03:32) Miura takes the back instead, Watson rolled over rather than get mounted.
(Rd 5 - 03:07) Miura pounds away and Watson is having serious difficulty surviving them!
(Rd 5 - 02:48) Miura tries to get her hooks in, but can't.
(Rd 5 - 02:34) Watson tries to get Miura off her back.
(Rd 5 - 02:34) Miura gets turned onto her back, and cannot stop Watson spinning into guard.
(Rd 5 - 02:17) Watson throws several small strikes at Miura, always keeping close body-to-body contact so that she has no space to work with.
(Rd 5 - 02:00) Miura goes for the sweep from the bottom of the guard.
(Rd 5 - 02:00) The sweep is brilliant, flipping them over so that Miura has mount!
(Rd 5 - 01:44) Miura pounds away, but is unable to land many clean shots on Watson.
(Rd 5 - 01:30) Miura pounds away and Watson struggles to deal with them.
(Rd 5 - 01:30) Miura forces Watson to turn away from the strikes, giving up her back!
(Rd 5 - 01:15) Miura attempts to get a rear naked choke fully applied.
(Rd 5 - 01:15) The rear naked choke is fully applied, Miura has Watson flattened out completely, there is no option but to tap out!
(Rd 5 - 00:45) Fusae Miura takes the victory by way of submission!
(Rd 5 - 00:45) Official Result: Fusae Miura defeats 'The Blonde Bombshell' April Watson (Submission (Rear Naked Choke) in 4:15 of round 5). The fight was rated as being Great.
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Unread 02-14-2018, 06:09 AM
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Is it me or do stomps and kicks to a knocked down opponent never finish anyone? In my 3 years save, I have never seen anyone finished by stomps and kicks. They always get back up. This issue is even more prevalent now as the frequency was increased.
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Is it me or do stomps and kicks to a knocked down opponent never finish anyone? In my 3 years save, I have never seen anyone finished by stomps and kicks. They always get back up. This issue is even more prevalent now as the frequency was increased.
Moved to the correct forum and merged with the thread on the same topic.
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Moved to the correct forum and merged with the thread on the same topic.
Hey Adam, it's the same topic but different concern as my concern is that I never see someone get finished with it. It's getting to the point where having "Savage Stomps and Kicks" is a hindrance to a character because using punches to a knocked down fighter is much better.

To update, I've had 4-5 stomps and kicks to a knocked down fighter in my last card (already patch 1.06), and the knocked down fighters always got back up.
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Hey Adam, it's the same topic but different concern
I understand your concern, but this is not a technical support issue as it's not a bug; you're asking for the strength / finishing ability of kicks and stomps to be increased and that is a suggestion and should be in the Suggestions forum. It is best served by being part of this thread as they're linked topics.
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I understand your concern, but this is not a technical support issue as it's not a bug; you're asking for the strength / finishing ability of kicks and stomps to be increased and that is a suggestion and should be in the Suggestions forum. It is best served by being part of this thread as they're linked topics.
Thanks. I thought maybe it was a bug because as of now I literally have not seen a finish due to stomps and kicks to a knocked down opponent. Thanks for the response. Much appreciated as always.
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Still no finish due to stomps and kicks to a downed opponent. I'm seriously thinking of either making them illegal or reverting to previous patch because it has become a hindrance to fighters who attempt them once they knock their opponent down.
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Iíve seen half a dozen fights with stomps & kicks now, but also no finishes.

Pedro Sousa dominated a round 10-7 with three flurries of stomps and kicks, no finish, got subbed in the next round...

I didnít realise that stomps and soccer kicks would be combined, as they are separate options in the rules, I figured they would be used separately, with soccer kicks being lethal, but it doesnít appear so. I also saw in my mind soccer kicks being against someone kneeling rather than on their back

But thinking about it, if someone is worried about getting subbed, makes sense for them to use kicks/stomps instead of G&P as much less likely to get caught, but it does also make sense that they are less effective to s9meone on their back.

Maybe when someone is on their back G&P is still the default as they would be more effective - there is less control with stomps/kicks, but soccer kicks are able to be used & in isolation, and are more effective, to kneeling fighters/fighters on their front?
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I didn’t realise that stomps and soccer kicks would be combined ... I also saw in my mind soccer kicks being against someone kneeling rather than on their back
I think you've misread something somewhere. They are separate, and soccer kicks are to people on their knees. There is one place where they are combined, but that is not the primary usage.
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Hey Adam, can you please check if it really is working as intended? It really is no exaggeration that I have never seen a finish due to stomps and kicks to a downed opponent and I have been playing a lot with 2 events every month.

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Hey Adam, can you please check if it really is working as intended? It really is no exaggeration that I have never seen a finish due to stomps and kicks to a downed opponent and I have been playing a lot with 2 events every month.
It is. I've got two in my current game. Carlos da Guia, for one, is more than capable of finishing with them.
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It is. I've got two in my current game. Carlos da Guia, for one, is more than capable of finishing with them.
What is the probability? Because I've literally had 20 attempts (give or take) since the patch and no finishes. Maybe either the frequency should be reduced again if there are few finishes or the probability of finishing should increase.
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What is the probability? Because I've literally had 20 attempts (give or take) since the patch and no finishes. Maybe either the frequency should be reduced again if there are few finishes or the probability of finishing should increase.
The likelihood of it finishing would be down to the fighter's stats, not an arbitrary frequency number. It's primarily based on low kicking power for soccer kicks, for example; if the fighters doing the kick have poor power than they're rarely going to finish.

As for increasing the power: as I've already indicated above, this has been taken as a suggestion and will be looked at - there hasn't been a patch since you made your post though.
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