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Unread 06-13-2018, 10:37 AM
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I think nearly every young lion in Shota’s class has potential. Shame Kitamura got sidelined. Huge fan of the Muscle Monster.
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Unread 06-13-2018, 09:05 PM
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Yeah, their current crop of young lions is really deep. It's a big difference from when I first started actively following NJPW, where it was just YOH and SHO. If even half of those guys measure up (and the NJPW dojo seems to have a great track record), the company shouldn't be lacking for talent any time soon.

I don't have much to say about Dominion. Well, I do, but I don't really have the time to say it right now. All I'll say is that my immediate reaction after Omega vs. Okada was that it was the best match I've ever seen.

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And do you think we're heading towards a new Tiger Mask being created one day soon?
I was really hoping they would do that when that new Tiger Mask anime was airing awhile back. That seemed like the perfect time to introduce a 5th generation, but instead IV stuck around and we got Ibushi making a handful of appearances as a part-time, special attraction Tiger Mask W.

The anime was about to start up when it was getting close to time for Hiromu to return from his excursion, and I remember some people saying they wanted him in that role. In retrospect I'm glad they didn't do that, because the mask and the TM character would've restricted him from being his wonderful crazy self.
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Unread 07-18-2018, 05:17 PM
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1st 2 days of the G1 Climax had some good matches.

Suzuki vs Tanahashi - ****
Okada vs White - ****
ZSJ vs Ibushi - **** 1/2
Naito vs Omega - **** 3/4
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Unread 07-18-2018, 05:22 PM
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ZSJ and Ibushi just can't have bad matches against each other, it's always a joy to watch them go at it.

I've watched the first 3 events so far too, there has definitely been some good action so far and a fair number of unexpected results as NJPW throw in some very interesting story ideas. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch how the rest of the G1 rolls out, I just hope I have the time to watch as much of it as I possibly can. I suspect the spaces between some of the shows is there to give people that very chance, as having shows every day makes it hard for even the most dedicated of fans to watch everything.

Also.... Toru Yano. Just in general.
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Unread 07-19-2018, 12:24 PM
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ZSJ and Ibushi just can't have bad matches against each other, it's always a joy to watch them go at it.

I've watched the first 3 events so far too, there has definitely been some good action so far and a fair number of unexpected results as NJPW throw in some very interesting story ideas. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch how the rest of the G1 rolls out, I just hope I have the time to watch as much of it as I possibly can. I suspect the spaces between some of the shows is there to give people that very chance, as having shows every day makes it hard for even the most dedicated of fans to watch everything.
Yeah, I've watched everything from the first four shows, except I skipped EVIL'S tag match from today's show (I hate EVIL. Seriously. I want him to go away. Or stop acting like such a nerd at least.) But later on I'm sure I'll reach the point where I skip all the tag matches and just watch the actual tournament stuff. That's what's ended up happening all three of the previous years.

It is nice to have English commentary for every night for the first time. I'm starting to warm up to Rocky Romero on commentary too. Feels like he's improved quite a bit recently.

The B Block is blowing A out of the water right now. I don't think I'd put a single A block match in the top 5 of the tournament so far. Naito and Omega have killed it both nights.
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Unread 07-20-2018, 09:54 AM
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I'm getting caught up with Day 4 now and it's just making me look forward to seeing Suzuki annihilate Yoshihashi on Day 5 in their block match... I would lose to see Yoshihashi just run away and cry instead of fight him, but I suspect we're not going to get that.

Also, I like EVIL... I don't think he's great or anything, is probably the weakest member of LIJ but there is something about him that I like, I do seem to be in the minority on that one though.

The English commentay on all shows is great, I tend to zone out a bit when I listen to Japanese commentary for too long. Just a shame it's not Don Callis instead of Rocky Romero.. Rocky isn't bad of course... but Don is great.

And yeah, Block B is clearly the better block. When I saw the blocks announced ti was obvious that B was going to be better when they have guys like Ibushi, Omega, Goto and Naito all in there. While Block A is carried by Tanahashi, Okada and Suzuki with no other guys in there that even look like they belong anywhere near that level. Still some fun matches in there though, and Jay White is doing well in his performances, particularly the storyline and character work so far. Just not sure he can keep that going with some of the lesser opponents in the group... though I could see him being someone who would legit walk out on fighting Suzuki if his points tally looks like it can handle it.
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Unread 07-20-2018, 12:54 PM
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I'm getting caught up with Day 4 now and it's just making me look forward to seeing Suzuki annihilate Yoshihashi on Day 5 in their block match... I would lose to see Yoshihashi just run away and cry instead of fight him, but I suspect we're not going to get that.

Also, I like EVIL... I don't think he's great or anything, is probably the weakest member of LIJ but there is something about him that I like, I do seem to be in the minority on that one though.

The English commentay on all shows is great, I tend to zone out a bit when I listen to Japanese commentary for too long. Just a shame it's not Don Callis instead of Rocky Romero.. Rocky isn't bad of course... but Don is great.

And yeah, Block B is clearly the better block. When I saw the blocks announced ti was obvious that B was going to be better when they have guys like Ibushi, Omega, Goto and Naito all in there. While Block A is carried by Tanahashi, Okada and Suzuki with no other guys in there that even look like they belong anywhere near that level. Still some fun matches in there though, and Jay White is doing well in his performances, particularly the storyline and character work so far. Just not sure he can keep that going with some of the lesser opponents in the group... though I could see him being someone who would legit walk out on fighting Suzuki if his points tally looks like it can handle it.
I kind of want Suzuki to go 0-9, just so I can keep watching him go crazy in the post-match press conferences on Youtube.

Yeah, Don is better. Though to be honest, I think Don is kind of wasted when Rocky is also in the booth. Too many cooks in the kitchen, I guess.

I knew Block B would be better, but it's been a much bigger gap than I'd expected so far, and easily the biggest I can remember in the three previous G1s. They probably should've swapped somebody like ZSJ, Ishii or Ibushi with a YOSHI-HASHI or Fale to even things out a bit more.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 01:30 PM
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Yoshi Hashi and Fale shouldn’t even be in the G1. Garbage workers who don’t even have kayfabe reasons to be in the tournament.

There’s no justification for them being involved.

Has anyone read anything about Kitamura’s health? Hoping I’ve missed something.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 01:34 PM
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Yoshi Hashi and Fale shouldn’t even be in the G1. Garbage workers who don’t even have kayfabe reasons to be in the tournament.

There’s no justification for them being involved.

Has anyone read anything about Kitamura’s health? Hoping I’ve missed something.
You could make an argument that in canon, Fale's consistently had good G1 appearances which earn him his spot (although this only makes sense if you look at G1 and not the rest of Fale's performances).

Yoshi-Hashi though? No idea.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 03:42 PM
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Has anyone read anything about Kitamura’s health? Hoping I’ve missed something.
All I've heard is that his concussion is pretty bad but also that somehow that isn't even the reason that he's retiring. Still hoping to find out more details and I hope that he's okay.

[quote=Jaysin;2300784]Yoshi Hashi and Fale shouldn’t even be in the G1. Garbage workers who don’t even have kayfabe reasons to be in the tournament.

There’s no justification for them being involved.[quote]

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You could make an argument that in canon, Fale's consistently had good G1 appearances which earn him his spot (although this only makes sense if you look at G1 and not the rest of Fale's performances).

Yoshi-Hashi though? No idea.
Pretty much what MHero said... in kayfabe, Fale has been consistently good and due to his size has picked up lots of multi man wins though has been absent a lot recently due to injuries. He's improved in general terms over the years but he remains one of the weaker in-ring talents in NJPW along with the likes of Yujiro Takahashi and YOSHI-HASHI.

I have no earthly idea why YOSHI-HASHI made it into this year's G1. I assumed Taichi would get in for sure since he's recently moved up to heavyweight and a case could have been made for either or both of the Young Bucks for similar reasons, particularly since they actually have championship gold and have won matches. YOSHI-HASHI never wins matches, and even though he sometimes looks good in some of his showings, he's going nowhere unless he can reinvent himself somehow. There are better and more interesting talents out there in the world, and it isn't like they are afraid to borrow talent from other Japanese companies too.

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I kind of want Suzuki to go 0-9, just so I can keep watching him go crazy in the post-match press conferences on Youtube.

Yeah, Don is better. Though to be honest, I think Don is kind of wasted when Rocky is also in the booth. Too many cooks in the kitchen, I guess.

I knew Block B would be better, but it's been a much bigger gap than I'd expected so far, and easily the biggest I can remember in the three previous G1s. They probably should've swapped somebody like ZSJ, Ishii or Ibushi with a YOSHI-HASHI or Fale to even things out a bit more.
I've now watched up through Night 6... the blocks are shaking out a bit now and it's more obvious what some of the stories are along with some of the surprises and people who will be there or thereabouts come the end of the tournament. Block A really is kind of a dud this year, which is odd to say given that it has three amazing talents in Suzuki, Tanahashi and Okada in there. I guess it helps them to push someone like Jay White (which I'm down with, he's getting great heat) but if a match doesn't have one of the big three in it then it's a bit lame, particularly with there being no champions in the block to make some of the matches mean a little more. Even if they had thrown Juice over in that side of the bracket it would be more exciting, especially since they are presumably setting him up with a bunch of challengers to overcome with his injured hand slowing him down now and giving people the chance to get one over on him.

Three man announce teams are rarely my favourite. Two people is generally enough, with a third man someone always ends up trying to talk over someone OR one person just stops talking and then feels out of place when the join back in. Kevin Kelly and Don Callis are a great team, Don and Corey Graves are two really good colour commentators and I've not said many good things about that position in wrestling for a while now. Rocky is alright too.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 04:13 PM
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YOSHI-HASHI never wins matches...
According to cagematch.net his win % this year is 52,5%, while Kazuchika Okada have only 41,3% winrate...
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Unread 07-22-2018, 04:57 PM
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According to cagematch.net his win % this year is 52,5%, while Kazuchika Okada have only 41,3% winrate...
That may be true of overall win/loss... but most of his wins are against people who didn't even make it to the G1 *like David Finlay or Toa Henare), young lions or when he is part of the faceless Chaos multiman matches, usually against Suzuki-Gun underlings. Looking through his cagematch records, he didn't have a single win leading into the G1 since his 5th match in last year's G1. He only won 2 matches in the last G1 too....

The lesson being... don't let percentages fool you.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 06:18 PM
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Hangman vs Mid-Life Crisis Okada was pretty good. Haven't caught up on Day 6 yet. Read Day 7 is skippable.
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Unread 07-22-2018, 08:25 PM
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So I've kept up with the tournament and i'm all caught up through night 7 (I think that's what night we're on). I've really enjoyed this tournament but it's been far from great. One match that is definitely must see is Goto vs. Ishii it's the only match from this tournament that is currently on my MOTY list for end of the year purposes.

Also I'm getting sick of the Tongan's storyline that they are using this tournament to tell, it was interesting at first but it's hurting the entire tournament as a whole. So from now on i'm skipping all the Tongan's matches unless I'm watching the shows live.

Also Jay White is a made man after this tournament.

Okada's story is very weird but I'm intrigued to see where it goes.

Last but not least F*ck Michael Elgin! I've skipped every single match he's had in this tournament and I don't regret my decision at all. I refuse to even acknowledge his existance even though I just mentioned him by name.
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Unread 07-23-2018, 03:10 AM
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That may be true of overall win/loss... but most of his wins are against people who didn't even make it to the G1 *like David Finlay or Toa Henare), young lions or when he is part of the faceless Chaos multiman matches, usually against Suzuki-Gun underlings. Looking through his cagematch records, he didn't have a single win leading into the G1 since his 5th match in last year's G1. He only won 2 matches in the last G1 too....

The lesson being... don't let percentages fool you.
I guess you assumed that I didn't know it...
It looks like that it is too bad that Hashi is beating up young-boys and picking up wins in faceless Chaos multi-man teams, while in the same time Okada keeps on loosing on these faceless team matches and ends up with significantly worse overall win loss record, then Hashi, but... OK - if single wins is only thing that matter, then how many single wins any of Young Bucks got leading to this years G1 if they were a way better replacement in your opinion? Or for some reason their wins in tag team matches counts just because you like them while Hashi's don't just because you don't like him?
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