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Unread 08-23-2016, 07:39 AM
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I liked the PPV, even if the pacing seemed off. Two stoppages/non-finishes in a row? That's like having two tag matches in a row, or a manager with clients in consecutive matches - you just don't.

Also, for being on the heels, Nikki got a big pop. Found that odd.

I can't stand Charlotte with the "Wooooo" and those ridiculous things above her eye.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 11:37 AM
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I liked the PPV, even if the pacing seemed off. Two stoppages/non-finishes in a row? That's like having two tag matches in a row, or a manager with clients in consecutive matches - you just don't.

Also, for being on the heels, Nikki got a big pop. Found that odd.

I can't stand Charlotte with the "Wooooo" and those ridiculous things above her eye.
On the Nikki thing, i think it's a bunch of things that lead to a babyface pop (which they should likely run with)

First, I have no idea if she is a heel or face. During her last 6 months or so, it seemed to change show by show, depending on who she was facing. Also, Nikki loves to play to the crowd even when she's a heel, so people want to cheer for her. She's always done that, and it hurts her Heel work.

Second, they've made a big deal of how hard she's worked to come back, and how much she loves the business. That's awesome, and I appreciated all the coverage, but if your going to try to keep her Heel that's tough. We saw this with Rollins, I don't care how much keyfabe you want to invest in, thats going to get sympathy from the audience.

To put it simpler way, did anyone come out of that Rollins 24/7 show thinking "what a heel, I'm gonna boo him". Of course not, you saw a guy dying because he couldn't get in there and do what he loves. They did the same with Nikki, so hopefully they wren't expecting her to get a heel reaction.

Now Seth turned the reaction on it's head with a great promo the night after his return. He still get's cheers, but he reestablished himself as a Heel in keyfabe. We'll see if they let Nikki do the same.

Or hell, mabye she's just gonna stay Face. Becky and Nattie are the only established women in the division, so you could really put her on either side.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 11:42 AM
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I liked the PPV, even if the pacing seemed off. Two stoppages/non-finishes in a row? That's like having two tag matches in a row, or a manager with clients in consecutive matches - you just don't.

Also, for being on the heels, Nikki got a big pop. Found that odd.

I can't stand Charlotte with the "Wooooo" and those ridiculous things above her eye.
I saw the screwy Reigns/Rusev thing coming a mile away, but knowing that the show was ending with a main event TKO finish, they probably should've stuck it before Rollins/Balor. I did like the show fine overall, I'm on record as being pro Brock's MMA-influenced style. The finisher/reversal fest WWE main event style is perfectly fine, but Cena/AJ gave us a four/four and a half star version of that, so we don't need every main event to be just the same. No idea what Dolph/Dean was supposed to be, though. That just sucked.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 01:40 PM
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The finish of Dolph/Dean was awkward. It... didn't quite steal the show. Can't exactly give a full account of the PPV as I slept through half of the thing as I was dead tired.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 01:42 PM
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So here's my thoughts that nobody cares about. Haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

- Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Chris Jericho & Kevin Owens
It was ok. Bit sloppy in places but entertaining and the right team won. Nothing wrong with it.

- Sasha Banks (c) vs. Charlotte
Oh my god, make it stop. Maffew could pretty much just run this match for the next Botchamania. I don't think Charlotte pulled off one move properly. As cool as the top rope Razor's Edge spot was, Sasha landing on her head was ugly. Everything Charlotte did was ugly. The spot where Charlotte just dropped Sasha on the ropes for no reason was ugly. I was glad this was over, for Sasha's sake. Made even more cringeworthy in comparison to how good the 6-woman tag was later on. It wasn't completely bad, the top rope Boston Crab was cool, but overall it was uncomfortable to watch.
I would complain about the Women's Title being on second, but after seeing it I was quite thankful they gave me time to forget it. The Legit Boss is going to need a Legit Neckbrace for a while. Will Ospreay probably has one she can borrow.

- The Miz vs. Apollo Crews
It happened, I guess, and nobody nearly died. So there's that. I quite liked it actually, Crews got to show off his signature stuff and nobody accidentally called him Apollo Creed. So overall pretty decent.

- AJ Styles vs. John Cena
I might be the only one. I'm probably the only one. Well, I know I'm not the only one but I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion: I kinda hated it. It's fantastic that Styles won, of course. But the match itself was like something out of WWE 2K17. They basically just used every move they know, sometimes twice for good measure, and kicked out of everything. And after all that, Styles won with a forearm smash. Let's be honest here, it's a forearm smash. He didn't win with two Styles Clashes, he didn't win with the modified AA. He won with a forearm smash. I guess Cena used up all his stamina bar and mistimed the kickout minigame. I lost interest part way through and started playing TEW on the second monitor.

- Gallows & Anderson vs. The New Day
This was a fun match, for what it was. Big E's return was pretty cool, not sure how I feel about a babyface running in and causing a DQ in a title match, and Jon Stewart... ugh, but the match kept me interested. But yeah, the heels win via DQ and Jon Stewart is a babyface? WWE is confusing.

- Dean Ambrose vs. Dolph Ziggler
I felt sorry for these guys. Firstly the world title match is in the middle of the show a few months after main eventing Wrestlemania, and the fans could not have given less of a crap. I guess going on after Cena/Styles was going to kill any match. The match itself entertained me, but I was a bit gutted that Ziggler didn't look more of a threat. He got a bit of offense in, but I felt that Ambrose mostly just ignored it. I never once felt that Ziggler stood much of a chance, other than after he hit the ZigZag (which is still a lame name for a finisher).

- Women's Six Man Tag
Honestly, in with a shout for MOTN for me. I mean, I'd say that for any match Natalya is in, but after Charlotte had done her best to kill the division (and her opponent) earlier, this was a welcome surprise. Nikki Bella being on the heel team was... odd, but I guess unavoidable, after all it wasn't a babyface who got suspended two days before the PPV. But yeah, I enjoyed this match a lot. Probably third best, overall. Not bad for a throwaway match only added to the card at the last minute (and then presumably changed afterwards. I mean, whether Eva Marie would've actually competed or not or whether Nikki Bella was always supposed to return, I don't know, but...).

- Finn Balor vs. Seth Rollins
I loved the touch of Rollins appearing at ringside during Balor's entrance and not having one of his own. His ring attire was cool too. Balor's entrance was pretty cool, but it's no Nakamura or Roode now, is it? The match itself was... ok? Lost interest at various points throughout. 75% of Balor's offence was dropkicks and stomps, which got a bit old. They did some cool stuff though. I still don't like the Coup de Grace as a finisher, especially for a main event guy (hell, champion now). The belt looks horrendous, also, but that's not their fault. Edit: Reading this back it sounds like I didn't like the match much. I did, especially compared to the rest of the card. It was fun. Just not... y'know, great.

- Rusev vs. Roman Reigns
Eh. I'm not sure a 5 hour PPV needed this to pad it out. Especially not AFTER BOTH WORLD TITLE MATCHES. Also, considering what we've seen the other wrestlers do to each other earlier on the show, it made Rusev look a bit of a pussy to have to be medically disqualified with 'broken ribs' after a bit of ringside brawling. Especially as that all happened BEFORE the spear. Overall, pointless and uninteresting.

- Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Orton
You're ****ing kidding me, right? "Fifteen years in the making", and we get a glorified squash match with a really, really weird ending? Orton hit three moves. Count them, three. RKO on the table, second rope DDT, another RKO. Then Lesnar kicked out, ruining the RKO's effectiveness.

Meanwhile, Lesnar throws Orton around like a ragdoll, busts him worse than Eddie Guerrero that one time, and wins via TKO?

I don't really blame the fans for crapping all over it. After five hours, that's the payoff?

I'm glad I watched Takeover on Saturday. At least I saw one good wrestling PPV this weekend.


If you are thinking was busted open worse than Eddie was vs JBL you must not remember that match. Orton was pretty bad but we have seen plenty worse in the attitude era
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Unread 08-23-2016, 02:16 PM
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Was SummerSlam held at a morgue? Perhaps its because I'm a Brit and although I had the pleasure of going to SummerSlam 92, I know I'll never get to go to a PPV. But I don't get why fans are sat there in silence. It was almost like watching it was a chore!
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Unread 08-23-2016, 02:28 PM
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Sucked to see them so out for the Rollins/Balor match, as it was arguebly my favourite of the night. I mean, don't get me wrong, the belt is incredibly lazy, but still I feel those two deserve better than that kind of reaction.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 03:55 PM
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Sucked to see them so out for the Rollins/Balor match, as it was arguebly my favourite of the night. I mean, don't get me wrong, the belt is incredibly lazy, but still I feel those two deserve better than that kind of reaction.
Disagree. Very underwhelming match, got the reaction it deserved, maybe more than it did. And im a huge Rollins fan and I like Balor, but that was so...meh....Fin was hotshoted to a world title for no good reason in a no good way. Maybe it could have end up working, but that match did not. It did no favors to anyone. I got the impression they had to rush it for time constraint reasons, but maybe that's just me.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:04 PM
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Disagree. Very underwhelming match, got the reaction it deserved, maybe more than it did. And im a huge Rollins fan and I like Balor, but that was so...meh....Fin was hotshoted to a world title for no good reason in a no good way. Maybe it could have end up working, but that match did not. It did no favors to anyone. I got the impression they had to rush it for time constraint reasons, but maybe that's just me.
I LOVE Seth and a big Finn fan and must say I was expecting better from them. I think Finn's offence looked a bit samey. I was waiting for some really impressive spots from them and I don't think there ever was anything to really blow me away. I still think one day they could have a classic match. Well providing Seth doesn't kill someone in the ring and get the boot!
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:05 PM
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Disagree. Very underwhelming match, got the reaction it deserved, maybe more than it did. And im a huge Rollins fan and I like Balor, but that was so...meh....Fin was hotshoted to a world title for no good reason in a no good way. Maybe it could have end up working, but that match did not. It did no favors to anyone. I got the impression they had to rush it for time constraint reasons, but maybe that's just me.
Really? I loved the slow build, and while I agree with Finn being hotshotted, I think that falls back onto introducing the demon angle too soon. It would be somewhat of a burial to introduce that side of him on the main roster just to have Rollins go over.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:07 PM
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Was SummerSlam held at a morgue? Perhaps its because I'm a Brit and although I had the pleasure of going to SummerSlam 92, I know I'll never get to go to a PPV. But I don't get why fans are sat there in silence. It was almost like watching it was a chore!
It's the pacing. I mean, put yourself in there shows. You've been there for five+ hours at this point, at least. You expect the show to build, and thus are kinda sorta holding back. To kinda use TEW if you have the crowd hyped for 5 hours, eventually they are going to tire out.

WWE tried to counter this with how the split up the show, but instead it was a mess. I mean even at home, I can give you a quick run down of the Wife and I's viewing expperiance:

1. Enzo & Cass vs KO and Jericho - "Awesome! great start! (note: Enzo and Cass losing here definitely took a poop on the Crowd. They wanted to explod for the hometown boys.)

2. Women's Championship -Wife: Wow, this is on early. Isn't there another Women's match too? Me: Yea, but they have a bunch of main events, lets go Sasha!

3. Miz vs. Crews - Good comedown match, up to here the pacing of the show was fine, and the crowd was fairly into it. After this, we go off the rails

4. John Cena vs. AJ Styles - Me: uh...ok, guess we are getting this one early! Wife: Makes sense I guess, the other matches all have titles in them

* great match, us and the crowd peaked here for all intents and purposes however.

5. Tag Match - What the heck was this even about? Wife: I dunno...that was weird.

6. Dean Vs. Dolph - Wife: Wait, this is on before the US Championship? Me: I guess...and the Women's six tag hasen't gone on yet...and I guess they want the Raw Title on last tonight

* This was a dud match, which didn't help the pacing and flow either

7. Women's six person tag: Back to treating the Women as an after thought. Also, as the wife validly asked, why the hell is this on here, and Sasha and Charlotte wen't second? That should be reversed

8. Finn Vs. Seth - Me: are you kidding me? This is before the freaking US title?

9. Rusev vs. Lana - so stupid to run this here. Crowd is all over it, because they rightly don't understand 1) Why this is on AFTER Three World Championships and 2) It was a non - finish


10. Brock v. Orton - Look, i get that Brock is a main draw. This match was doomed the minute the started teasing the "sports entertainment" finish. The crowd just had a screwy match before. They were hyped (and expecting) a real match here. Instead they got Brock murdering Randy for 12 minutes, then a post match angle which was clearly a write off for brock's character till Rumble.

I was pissed at that show at home, can't imagine having to sit through it.

Without changing the booking, I would have structured the show as:

1. Enzo and Cass (smart, good open)

2. Six Women tag (feel good Bella pop goes here, esp. after Enzo and cass lose

3. Rusev v Roman (you know your going with a BS non finish, get it out of the way early

4. Tag match

5. Miz v Crews

6. AJ v Cena

7. Sasha v. Charlotte

8. Dean v. Dolph

9. Brock v. Orton

10. Seth v. Finn
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:09 PM
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I LOVE Seth and a big Finn fan and must say I was expecting better from them. I think Finn's offence looked a bit samey. I was waiting for some really impressive spots from them and I don't think there ever was anything to really blow me away. I still think one day they could have a classic match. Well providing Seth doesn't kill someone in the ring and get the boot!
I mean, Finn blew out his Shoulder early in the match. I realize he still toughed it out, but it was pretty obvious they were avoiding lifting spots for Finn after that.

If theres one criticism I have of that match (and it's very minor because who the heck knows the extent of an injury in the moment) It's that the two of them didn't alter the finish to have Seth go over due to Finn's legit injury, to avoid the cluster we are dealing with now.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:23 PM
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I mean, Finn blew out his Shoulder early in the match. I realize he still toughed it out, but it was pretty obvious they were avoiding lifting spots for Finn after that.

If theres one criticism I have of that match (and it's very minor because who the heck knows the extent of an injury in the moment) It's that the two of them didn't alter the finish to have Seth go over due to Finn's legit injury, to avoid the cluster we are dealing with now.
The Universal title looks pretty rubbish (not the actual look, as I've never really cared what a title looks like, but not prestigious!) now they have to basically have a new champion crowned. I guess they didn't change things on the night as couldn't tell what the injury was going to be.

I do get bored of these champions turning up and just dropping the title due to injury. Why not storyline write him off somehow. Obviously its harder to do carrying a proper injury. But I hate this champ gets injured, drops the belt and someone else has to win it.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 04:27 PM
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Without changing the booking, I would have structured the show as:

1. Enzo and Cass (smart, good open)

2. Six Women tag (feel good Bella pop goes here, esp. after Enzo and cass lose

3. Rusev v Roman (you know your going with a BS non finish, get it out of the way early

4. Tag match

5. Miz v Crews

6. AJ v Cena

7. Sasha v. Charlotte

8. Dean v. Dolph

9. Brock v. Orton

10. Seth v. Finn
Hats off for using for intents and purposes properly, as far too many people don't know thats the proper saying. Intensive purposes, idiots.

Secondly, for me your last three matches are a little hot. I get the crowd are there for ages and those three last I think would have tired the crowd out still. But I agree the Universal match should have been last. What better why to introduce a new title than by having it lost in the middle of the card with a fairly okish match. Its like WWE wants me to hate it!

Personally I'd rather they left off with the Demon Balor stuff. Having him turn up on Raw was beyond stupid. But why not have Seth win the title, only to have Finn chase him for a few months, growing more and more frustrated until we can bust out the dark side of Balor? I don't get why sometimes WWE just has to blow their load too early with things. Heck they could have had Balor lose, even feud with others, keep simmering tensions with Seth all the times, to keep building and building. We all know about the Balor Demon stuff so let the hype build.
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Unread 08-23-2016, 05:06 PM
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I'm usually the guy saying don't watch if you don't like it. And just enjoy the show.

Summerslam was just so... average. It's supposed to be the 2nd biggest event of the year. Cena vs Styles was great. NOTHING ELSE had me interested.

However, Bayley showing up last nite made it all better! <3 <3
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