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Unread 12-07-2018, 10:05 PM
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You are the Town Aligned Mason.
>You may communicate with your fellow Mason__Arrows________. To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night the two of you have a choice to make. You can each target a player to track. Or you can choose one target to track while the other protects the one tracking from potential night kills. If you successfully track your target or targets you will be informed who your target targets.
>You will show up Town Aligned on even nights and Non-Town Aligned on odd nights if investigated.
>You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
These two worked well together and kept the scum hopping. It was a real blow to the town when Rayelek was caught up in the lukess11 situation. He played very well for his first game.

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You are the Town Aligned Mason .
>You may communicate with your fellow Mason___Rayelek_______. To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night the two of you have a choice to make. You can each target a player to track. Or you can choose one target to track while the other protects the one tracking from potential night kills. If you successfully track your target or targets you will be informed who your target targets.
>You will show up Town Aligned on odd nights and Non-Town Aligned on even nights if investigated.
>You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Arrows is always a power player in any game he participates in, as evidenced by the the attempts on his life. 3 all together. When he was finally taken out, it opened up the night alot for the evil powers.
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Unread 12-07-2018, 10:50 PM
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Honestly I thought all of the last 5 played very well. Kept the convo going despite being in the low numbers situation. Really fun to watch from afar, especially since I myself had it wrong.
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Unread 12-07-2018, 11:55 PM
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The only one I remember was Gruntmarks game. I was an SK fir hire and the scum payed me well. 🤣
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Unread 12-08-2018, 12:01 AM
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When you really look at it, not much of it was our fault. BlueStar got a hard on for blocking Cappy, BHK got lucky catching Phoenix, MLT got lucky killing WC, Cappy killed himself because he's an idiot, Anti getting caught was inevitable. Only thing we could have done different was pick better kill targets, but you couldn't anticipate where the protections and jailers would be.
I know for me it was not luck catching Phoenix. He gave me major red flags day one and that was why he was investigated. I was actually hesitant to do so because it was his first game on here and if I was right I felt bad cutting his experience short.

That was also partly why I did not feed the town my information on day two. Also, I did not want to make myself an outed target that early with three more powers left at my disposal. Then there was also the whole Astil/Derek situation was going on. I felt that I had a kill so I might as well use it on someone who was not Town aligned and not risk it on a guess.

From the looks of it, it does not appear MLT's kill was lucky either. She saw exactly what I saw and what I brought up prior to WC's death. He was not talking much and WC is a talker and when he does not talk that causes me to believe he might not be on the up and up.

In fact the majority of the Scum team were not really active in the in-game thread. None of you really seemed to try and blend with the town, with the exception of SF.

Out of your team, I think the only two I was iffy about was SF and Cappy. Now granted I do not take notes and the reason why I thought you were scum initially was because I confused you and the Derek vote with MLT's vote for Mach.

Meaning for some odd reason I thought you did a late vote on Derek. But once I had it in my mind that, that was what you did (I did not even realize I was wrong until you called me out on it) I thought you were some sort of non-Town aligned player (I did have you pegged as the SK) and it was because of what I thought you did on the Derek vote and your lack of posting.

It would not matter if you picked other targets because it was your Team's collective lack of posting which made me think that there was something rotten in the state of Denmark. That was why I was very suspicious of Archer in the early part of the game as well. Because he was not helping the Town and he was not posting. The only reason why I came to doubt that Archer was the SK or Mafia was because of the Town result and how he masterfully claimed the phone call things as his own.

In a game where there were roles I had never heard of, I figured that he probably was being truthful about the phones.

Granted I was also really sure that BlueStar was the Don (Mainly because he kept on bringing up the Vig kill so I thought he was trying to get the Vig to out themselves), so what do I know...
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Unread 12-08-2018, 01:22 AM
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The only one I remember was Gruntmarks game. I was an SK fir hire and the scum payed me well. 🤣
Sounds like a variation of The Bounty Hunter role. Being co-creator of the role I'd say it's Indy survivor and not a true SK. Given the fact you can win with either faction.
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Unread 12-08-2018, 01:55 AM
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Sounds like a variation of The Bounty Hunter role. Being co-creator of the role I'd say it's Indy survivor and not a true SK. Given the fact you can win with either faction.
Makes sense. The future game thread stats has me with a 2-3 for SK I believe...
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Unread 12-08-2018, 02:10 AM
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Makes sense. The future game thread stats has me with a 2-3 for SK I believe...
It's I/SK. So Indy or SK
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Unread 12-08-2018, 10:05 AM
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The irony in that the two most powerful roles for the town went head to head on Day 2. Leading to the lynching of the Jail Keeper. I set this game up with these two in mind as the center of everything. As you'll hear latter when I do the mafia, there had to be a strong town presence as well as a counter to the sk. My intial thoughts on night one when the targets came in and how the thread had gone the day before was "OMG they will break this game on Day 2.

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You are the Town Aligned Clinic Physician.
>Each night you can target a player to treat overnight. Because the clinic is secure, you will spare them from harm for the duration of their stay.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Astil played this role well. Tho no one ever realized the importance of it. Well except The Archer. Not only was Astil the only protection from the nightly kills of the sk, he also had the ability to heal them if they had been injected the night before. Sadly, this never happened so there was no way for it to be revealed.
As the game went on, The Archer had 2 main targets he mentioned repeatedly Astil and Arrows. He ended up taking out both. By luck and waiting. Funny that Astil kept both Arrows and Rayelek from tracking The Archer both times he was their target.


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You are the Town Aligned Jail Keeper.
>Each night you can choose to target a player to take into custody. By jailing them you protect them any action that they were targeted for that night. You also prevent them from performing any actions they had planned for the night. By having them in custody, you are able to learn a small tidbit of information about them.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
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Derek B would have been great in this role with the chance to play it. Not only could he provide protection. He could lock up players he suspected of being up to no good. He also had a RNG ability where he would find out a small tidbit of info. Alignment, items carried, who they were targeting the night of lockup, role title, or unable to crack suspect.

Sadly his only target was Antithesis. But Astil took him in and prevented the lockup. Thus allowing Antithesis to kill Imarevenant Night 1.

Now to clear up the issue that happened on Day 2. And no offence the tunneling of ideas. Derek B was the Jail Keeper. I mean that was his title. Astil had some of the same characteristics, but the intent of that role was to be a specific doctor. He was the counter to the sk.
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Unread 12-08-2018, 10:39 AM
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As soon as I saw the poisoned kill I knew what Astil's role was meant to be.

And in case anyone wonders why I didn't mention the info part of my role, it was because it would have made me sound scummier and I believed I'd have hanged for sure. I mean... I did anyway, but it's always a good idea to give people fewer reasons.

#BlameAstil

Let's get this trending!
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Unread 12-08-2018, 10:51 AM
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First thing I need to say is, outside of the WWF in Dott, this is most powerful mafia role wise I have ever put in a game. Now it is also the most unlucky mafia to have ever played a game I modded. I understand the frustration that built up. But and here it comes...Some of it was their own doing. Just as the town tunneled on the Astil/Derek B issue; the mafia let some preconceived notions or ideas form their perspective early on. That, added to the misreading of some of what was happening in the writeups fueled the paranoia. They never seemed to be able to buy a break. BHK1978's play that took the role blocker out night 2. moo_lit_tears using the absorbed kill on Wrestling Century to take the cop away. The hitman targeting the tracker with a body guard. The protection of Emark and Astil on same night which led to both eayragt and Rayelek being saved. And the second attempt on Arrows, again with Emark with the protection. I seriously felt for them.


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You are the Mafia Aligned Godfather.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
Mafia Role Blocker__Eternal Phoenix________.
Mafia Bus Driver____cappyboy______.
Mafia Hitman___Antithesis_______.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you must send a PM stating the following targets:
Investigation by_____________is____________.
Kill by______________is_______________.
Roleblocker by__________is___________.
Switched by____________is______________and_______________.
>On odd nights you can name a player that in the event you are targeted at night they receive the effects intended for you. ______________.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
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You are the Mafia Aligned Godfather.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
Mafia Role Blocker__Eternal Phoenix________.
Mafia Bus Driver____cappyboy______.
Mafia Hitman___Antithesis_______.
Mafia Traitor______The Two____________.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you must send a PM stating the following targets:
Investigation by_____________is____________.
Kill by______________is_______________.
Roleblocker by__________is___________.
Switched by____________is______________and_______________.
With the addition of ________The Two____________you now have 2 night kills.

>On odd nights you can name a player that in the event you are targeted at night they receive the effects intended for you. ______________.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
Shadowedflames came in as a replacement actually on night 1. Even tho it wasn't announced until start of day phase. Replacement was asked for after Day 1 had ended. He played very well. Just the damn luck. He kept his head up and fought to the end. His play actually deserved better than his results. I am very appreciative of both his replacing in quickly and the way he managed this team. Very underrated player.

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You are the Mafia Aligned Cop.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Godfather____mdylan511______.
Mafia Role Blocker____Eternal Phoenix______.
Mafia Bus Driver____cappyboy______.
Mafia Hitman___Antithesis_______.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you will be directed to investigate a target by the Godfather. You will receive their role title.
>You will show up Non-Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
Wrestling Century had real life issues that limited his time. He was tied up alot of the time when the others were in the forum. So he was adding to and then reading the discussions after the fact the majority of the time. mlt took him out the same night Destiny kicked his ass. Not a very good phase. This was one of the roles that could have revealed the sk as well as the rest of the town PR's.

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You are the Mafia Aligned Role Blocker.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Godfather_____mdylan511_____.
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
Mafia Bus Driver____cappyboy______.
Mafia Hitman_____Antithesis_________.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you directed a target in which you are to perform a role block on.
>You will show up Non-Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
I enjoyed Eternal Phoenix. He is a very pleasant addition to our community. He has played alot of mafia. I don't know what he did to alert BHK1978, but he was made by him first day. BHK1978 investigated him first night and then killed him Night 2.
Obviously his role could have been very helpful to the mafia cause.

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You are the Mafia Aligned Bus Driver.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Godfather____mdylan511______.
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
Mafia Role Blocker___Eternal Phoenix_______.
Mafia Hitman_____Antithesis_________.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you directed which two targets to switch places. Whoever A was going to target, B now targets. Whoever was going to target A, now targets B. And vice versa.
>You will show up Non-Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
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This role could have wrecked havoc for the town. Instead because Bluestar made it his mission to block cappyboy every night he was able it only made to frustrate the mafia as it was a focal point of their strategy.

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You are the Mafia Aligned Hitman.
>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Godfather____mdylan511______.
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
Mafia Role Blocker_____Eternal Phoenix_____.
Mafia Bus Driver____cappyboy______.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>Each night you will be directed to kill a target by the Godfather.
>You will show up Non-Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
When the RNG rolled Antithesis out as the Hitman i figured he wouldn't last long without some luck. If Derek hadn't been blocked Night 1, he may not have lasted thru Day 2. I hate that he always adds to every game he is in.
Big loss for the mafia team on Day 3.

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You are the Mafia Aligned Traitor.
>You are aligned with the mafia. You are a plant amongst the town. To help work towards your cause in the event you cast a vote on a mafia member, your vote will not count. But, a vote on a Town aligned player will result in your vote counting 2x.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
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You are the Mafia Aligned Traitor.
>You are aligned with the mafia. You are a plant amongst the town. To help work towards your cause in the event you cast a vote on a mafia member, your vote will not count. But, a vote on a Town aligned player will result in your vote counting 2x.
>>You may communicate with the other members of your team:
Mafia Godfather____Shadowedflames______.
Mafia Cop____Wrestling Century______.
To reach the forum set up for you go to discordapp.com and register if you do not already have a account. Then let me know what your screen name is. And I will send an invite to the proper channel.
>You will show up Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win when your team numbers are even with or greater than the towns.
This role started and The Two had no idea who his teammates were. But it was role protected so they couldn't kill him. And his voting abilities were to help the cause. Which he did a good job at. He had triggers that would lead him to coming into the fold. If he was targeted and there was a spot open(meaning mafia had lost a member) he would automatically assume his place in the family. Bringing with him a second night kill. But and as in his case he wasn't targeted, the moment the membership dropped to two he would come in. Unfortunately when he entered there was only 2 left and one of them was walking dead.

Couple of notes: Astil could heal the mafia also. Though The Archer never hit them. He pegged Shadowedflames as Don Day 3 I believe it was. And had a good idea The Two was in also.
Also, Rev could have joined also. Depending on timing, had to be a spot open. (less than 5)
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Unread 12-08-2018, 12:23 PM
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When you really look at it, not much of it was our fault. BlueStar got a hard on for blocking Cappy, BHK got lucky catching Phoenix, MLT got lucky killing WC, Cappy killed himself because he's an idiot, Anti getting caught was inevitable. Only thing we could have done different was pick better kill targets, but you couldn't anticipate where the protections and jailers would be.
To be honest, I didn't get a hard on. I blocked Cappy N1 because I thought he looked a bit bad on not voting on Mach...thinking scum was dividing the votes. Stealing his battery (and getting tracked by Arrows who never revealed that) and thus roleblocking him made me more weary. A town busdriver would probably say "stop blocking me..." ... after he hinted bomb D3 (which was clearly countered by myself but quoted by Arrows)...if he'd went for a bus driver claim, this could have temporarily cleared him of lead to a counterclaim (if there was a town bus driver).

When Eternal as a red roleblocker floated up, I thought I could have done more for town (but Archer got me before I could).
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Unread 12-08-2018, 01:04 PM
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This last group were the individuals. They both player excellent games. Especially when you consider the situation as the game wound down.

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You are the Individually Aligned Hider.
>Each night you can PM the name of a player you wish to hide behind. As long as you are successful you cannot be targeted for night actions. But the drawback to this ability is that if you choose to hide behind someone that isnít Town Aligned you will perish. You also perish if your target is killed the night you choose to hide behind them.
>If you are unsuccessful in hiding you will show up Non-Town Aligned if investigated at night.
>You win by surviving to the end of the game.
Teh_Showtime could have won with anyone. He could have won with the town, the mafia or with the sk. The fact that he was injected Night 8 instead of Night 9 kept him from sharing the win. Things could have been interesting the last phases. If he had chosen to hide he couldnt have been injected. If you would have combined that with a kill on eayragt and the stop on kills the next night the outcome could have been different. Very well played game.

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You are the Individually Aligned Serial Killer.
>Each night you PM the name of a player you wish to infect with your deadly poison. The poison is slow moving and it takes a complete day phase to take effect. They will feel the effects of it though and their votes the next day will not count towards a lynch. They will perish the next night phase.
>Since you are alone in you quest, you have 2 one use abilities. If you are targeted at night for a kill you will have a one use deterrent that prevents the kill. The other one use is the ability to make yourself appear town once if investigated.
>You will show up Non- Aligned after the one use of your deterrent if investigated at night.
>You win by surviving to the end of the game.
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As a bonus for putting your 5th body in the Graveyard, you will have the ability to infect 2 players each night starting with Night 7. Good luck!
Well as a mod, your goal is to give everyone a chance to win when the game starts. Town vs mafia balance is not that difficult. The role of a serial killer is hard to balance to make it where whomever gets that role has a chance. You also can't make it to powerful that makes it unbalanced. That was my goal. I chose the poisoner aspect for the delayed kill. With all the roles that the town and mafia had I thought that made sense and gave him a fighting chance. Also with the inclusion of a direct counter to the serial killer and a way for there to be a backup (Astil, Rev) allowing his kill to go thru the regular Doc was reasonable. There are alot of setups where regular Docs don't stop them. It is common practice according to the wiki. I added the bonus of double kills after the 5th successful kill. Knowing this wouldn't start till Night 6. Never imagined that the stars would align and in a game where nothing went right for the group that was meant to do all the killing that he would wade thru everything and make it to the end. Let alone kill 12 players directly and another 2 indirectly.

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Unread 12-08-2018, 07:08 PM
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To be honest, I didn't get a hard on. I blocked Cappy N1 because I thought he looked a bit bad on not voting on Mach...thinking scum was dividing the votes. Stealing his battery (and getting tracked by Arrows who never revealed that) and thus roleblocking him made me more weary. A town busdriver would probably say "stop blocking me..." ... after he hinted bomb D3 (which was clearly countered by myself but quoted by Arrows)...if he'd went for a bus driver claim, this could have temporarily cleared him of lead to a counterclaim (if there was a town bus driver).

When Eternal as a red roleblocker floated up, I thought I could have done more for town (but Archer got me before I could).
You know, as I read this, an annoying thought jumps in my head. Maybe The Two was right. Maybe I was an idiot. I spent a lot of time deferring to people I thought were better scum than me. Had I trusted my own game experience, perhaps I might have argued with Anti and done what you lay out here. Rather than letting him sell me on being paranoid and falling into the same old trap that's haunted me time and again in life. Maybe one of these days I'll learn to trust my own instincts and experiences. I just hope it happens before I hit "old dog" territory.
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Unread 12-09-2018, 05:04 AM
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You know, I don't know if it would've made a difference, but I was hit with one of the most hectic work schedules in my life, so I apologize to my fellow scum for that. But props to ShadowedFlames for keeping it together as long as he could.
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No I am running late for work as it is, but I wanted to tell my side quickly before everyone just jumped on the vote train. Give me ten hours (it is a pain posting from the job site via my phone) and I can share more thoughts if that is alright.
Aight so I am finally back from work and... WTH! You folks didn't wait, you lynched me!

I was only gone almost a year.
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