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Unread 02-07-2010, 09:19 PM
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Am I the only one that absolutely loathes the Superbowl? Everything about it just angers me, and makes me wish College Football was back on.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 09:35 PM
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I hate football, but it's fun having a party and arbitrarily rooting for a random team
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Unread 02-07-2010, 09:46 PM
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I don't mean to jump into the middle of the conversation here, but I have one thing to say. On the comparison between former NFL players and our grandparents...don't ever make that comparison again. It's insulting to our grandparents and everybody who knows them.

There's one very simple, yet very important, difference. When did your grandparents retire? My grandfathers were 60 and 72. My father was 65. The average NFL player works until they're, what, 27? Hey, I have an idea for them if they need money...get a job! Go into coaching, go into scouting, become a color commentator or a personal trainer or a motivational speaker, I don't care. GET A JOB. Remember that education you were got FOR FREE when you were in college? Use it.

Everybody else in the civilized world gets a job when they need money. Pro athletes should be no different. Absolutely, the NFL and NFLPA should fully compensate former players for any and all football-related medical bills. No question. They should not, however, give them the means to sit around at home and do nothing for 55 years because they worked for 5. Come see me when you're 65. Until then, you better find another way to contribute to society.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 09:52 PM
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most players play into there 30's but back when the NFL first started most players didn't go to college as you didn't need to plus alot of the old players that are asking for money can't work because they gave there bodies to the sport and have a hard time just getting out of bed and walking around and some have brain damage that doesn't let them to work. so just telling them to go and get a job isn't an option for them
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Unread 02-07-2010, 10:21 PM
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I don't mean to jump into the middle of the conversation here, but I have one thing to say. On the comparison between former NFL players and our grandparents...don't ever make that comparison again. It's insulting to our grandparents and everybody who knows them.

There's one very simple, yet very important, difference. When did your grandparents retire? My grandfathers were 60 and 72. My father was 65. The average NFL player works until they're, what, 27? Hey, I have an idea for them if they need money...get a job! Go into coaching, go into scouting, become a color commentator or a personal trainer or a motivational speaker, I don't care. GET A JOB. Remember that education you were got FOR FREE when you were in college? Use it.

Everybody else in the civilized world gets a job when they need money. Pro athletes should be no different. Absolutely, the NFL and NFLPA should fully compensate former players for any and all football-related medical bills. No question. They should not, however, give them the means to sit around at home and do nothing for 55 years because they worked for 5. Come see me when you're 65. Until then, you better find another way to contribute to society.
What other multi billion dollar business doesn't allow for retirement plans?

besides, if 70,000+ people showed up every week for four months and paid to cheer and watch your grandfathers work, I doubt they would have needed to work into their 60's either.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 10:54 PM
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I do that for the World cup. See, it's a tad more effortless since it isn't every year.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:11 PM
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I enjoyed the super bowl this year. I was SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!! when the saints won. i figured it would have been a blow out. won a little money though lol
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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:31 PM
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I don't mean to jump into the middle of the conversation here, but I have one thing to say. On the comparison between former NFL players and our grandparents...don't ever make that comparison again. It's insulting to our grandparents and everybody who knows them.

There's one very simple, yet very important, difference. When did your grandparents retire? My grandfathers were 60 and 72. My father was 65. The average NFL player works until they're, what, 27? Hey, I have an idea for them if they need money...get a job! Go into coaching, go into scouting, become a color commentator or a personal trainer or a motivational speaker, I don't care. GET A JOB. Remember that education you were got FOR FREE when you were in college? Use it.

Everybody else in the civilized world gets a job when they need money. Pro athletes should be no different. Absolutely, the NFL and NFLPA should fully compensate former players for any and all football-related medical bills. No question. They should not, however, give them the means to sit around at home and do nothing for 55 years because they worked for 5. Come see me when you're 65. Until then, you better find another way to contribute to society.
Why not compare them to our grandparents? A lot of these older players didn't make enough in the NFL to live off that money all year long. Most of the older players, up until maybe the early 1970's, had to have off season jobs because what they were getting paid was not enough to provide for their families. And after retirement most of them needed to get full-time jobs. So the comparison to our parents and grandparents is valid.

Now if you are talking about players that are playing today, then I agree with you. However, if you are talking about the older players I do not agree with you.


As a far as the Super Bowl goes, I agree with thatoneguy. To me the Super Bowl is an over hyped game that very rearly lives up to its billing. Like I said before I would take the World Series over the Super Bowl any day of the week.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:50 PM
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No one forced these guys to go into pro football. They went into it knowing there was little money, no retirement, etc. Why should anyone be compensated to knowingly walk into a job that pays less than what most of their college degrees could get in other work areas? Nobody made these guys do the job their doing. I believe the NFL not the NFLPA should fully compensate any medical bills beyond that they knew what they were getting into.
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Same goes for wrestling, yes?
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good half time show
Thank you.

I'm getting tired of people, mostly around my age, bitching they don't use modern artists/bands.

I'd rather hear a band cherry pick a few of their biggest hits from a multi-decade long career (with songs that have, so far, survived the test of time) than hear a pop artist splurge crap off their new album that we'll likely forget long before the next Super Bowl rolls around.

I'm sorry, it just annoys me to basically hear "They're old and I can't relate to them, we want MILEY CYRUS INSTEAD!!! RAAAWRRRR!!!" I don't think people grasp the fact that, with the halftime show, they're trying to get as wide of an appeal across multiple demographics as possible. The Rolling Stones were the perfect example: I know people of nearly every age, race, and gender who like the Stones. Kanye West and Fall Out Boy? Not so much.


And it wasn't a bad game... closer than the score indicated. I'll admit, I was sorta going for the Colts, but... I don't particularly care for either team. Oh well, we've got next year to look forward to... GO TEXANS!
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Unread 02-08-2010, 12:28 AM
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Reason they use older groups is they are less inclined to have a wardrobe malfunction. Look at the halftime shows since that happened.
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I don't mean to jump into the middle of the conversation here, but I have one thing to say. On the comparison between former NFL players and our grandparents...don't ever make that comparison again. It's insulting to our grandparents and everybody who knows them.

There's one very simple, yet very important, difference. When did your grandparents retire? My grandfathers were 60 and 72. My father was 65. The average NFL player works until they're, what, 27? Hey, I have an idea for them if they need money...get a job! Go into coaching, go into scouting, become a color commentator or a personal trainer or a motivational speaker, I don't care. GET A JOB. Remember that education you were got FOR FREE when you were in college? Use it.
Hi, it might be helpful if you actually read what the argument was. I said nothing about 'welfare' for retired/former players (I'm against that). I'm talking about those players who were given shots of anti-inflammatories and painkillers so they could continue playing while being told by team doctors that there was little to no danger of future repercussions. I'm talking about players who played during the time when this kind of medical information was either not widely known or not widely disseminated. Let me ask you a question. When did steroids first go into use? When did the dangers of using these substances become commonly known? Why was there a nearly 40 year gap between those two periods?

Everybody who uses that old, tired "they knew what they were getting into" argument need to actually do some freakin' research. As the son of a former NFL player, I can tell you unequivocally that they most certainly did not. You forget there was a period where people regularly kept things under wraps, in all areas of life. Who didn't know John Kennedy was sleeping around? Did you see exposÚs in the paper about it? Why not? Now before you even try to state bias, my father died at age 75 with all his faculties (including the ability to satisfy a 34 year old wife). He didn't have any issues resulting from his playing days but that's because he didn't play a whole lot (go look up the definition of 'taxi squad'). Those players from the 50s to 70s have real medical issues that resulted from playing during a time when medical information was not commonly disseminated to the player (it went to the team officials and they made the determination, often based on cost). There was a time in this league's history where if you got hurt, you got fired. Period, end of story. Some owners took care of their injured guys but the fact still remains that you lost your job because you got hurt while doing said job.

My mother retired at 52 and her piddly social security check pays for the satellite bill and some groceries. I won't even get that much (even though I've paid 10 times more into the program than she did). So there is no way I'm at all in favor of active workers subsidizing the lifestyle of non-active workers. However, I am in favor of covering the medical expenses incurred by people who did not know the dangers of the activity they were engaged in. I'm not even going to get into the fact that many of these players WORKED A JOB while they played (I know my father did. So did Gino Marchetti and Art Donovan). So trying to paint them with the same brush used on modern day players who make millions is just a little bit wrong.

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Everybody else in the civilized world gets a job when they need money. Pro athletes should be no different. Absolutely, the NFL and NFLPA should fully compensate former players for any and all football-related medical bills. No question. They should not, however, give them the means to sit around at home and do nothing for 55 years because they worked for 5. Come see me when you're 65. Until then, you better find another way to contribute to society.
Again, I see no one in this thread saying they think the NFL should ensure these guys are set for life. I sure as hell never said that. I'm only talking about the MEDICAL fund (you know, the one the league recently agreed to contribute $7 million then an additional $10 million to, to pay for things like joint replacements and such for retired players?).

And finally, what job did your grandparents do that directly led to early onset dementia that they weren't told about until long after they quit doing that job? I'm genuinely curious.

And this Super Bowl was a letdown. I feel for Dwight Freeney who sacrificed and played his heart out and had the stupid DBs pick this game to get 'confused Elmo disease', acting like they've never seen receiver stacks and formation shifts. Larry Coyer looked like he was gonna have a stroke in the box with all the coverages the Colts DBs were blowing.
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Unread 02-08-2010, 01:39 AM
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Remianen what team did your dad play for?
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Unread 02-08-2010, 02:14 AM
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I have stated my feelings and still believe them to be honest and true. I believe the NFL, not teams and players but The Shield who makes plenty of their own money should fund medical expenses for these players.

That being said I can't agree "they didn't know the dangers". People had been playing football in this country for the entire century, so in the 50's and 60's if they couldn't look at other old timers and see they were banged up and catch on that this was a dangerous sport thats fine. Then what about the fact that you're slamming into each other at high speeds, head first? Nobody thought about that? Or the fact they most likely played this game from atleast high school on. They didn't see any healh risks the entire time playing?

I get "you didn't play you were fired". I can't speak for anyone else and you can always say "it was a different time" but lets face it everyone can say "its a different time" and have an escape clause. Again I can't speak for anyone but myself but no matter my job if I'm making a million a day if I start to get the feeling "this isn't good for my health, I can't feel my arms and legs, my neck hurts, I get dizzy etc" I'm not going to work that job anymore.

America wasn't void of jobs in the 60's and before. These guys played this sport their whole lives. They got hurt, they knew it wasn't a healthy game and they continued to play it.

Again these guys deserve medical but I can't say "these guys didn't know".
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