What grinds your gears?

[Tha Black Phenom]

The Internet hip-hop fanbase. Well.. not in its entirety, I'm sure a fair amount out there must be alright. You know how when it comes to wrestling, there's the casual fans and the smarks. Well the hip-hop "smarks" are just.. terrible. I'm guessing this is the case with every (or most) music genres but I wouldn't be any wiser about any of them, and looking from my perspective about this genre here.. yeah.

Lot of them are a bunch of buttmad nostalgic clonks who will shoot up 2pac or Biggie's name in every article featuring a certain rapper, to stress and remind everyone else that they or "today's hip-hop scene" is nothing compared to the lore of the 90s. They're even worse about that stuff than an IWCer is with the Attitude era. Don't get me wrong, those two are timeless impactful legends and it's true that the scene of today sure has a lot of.. stuff.. that one would skip over, but some of the comments/posts I read sometimes are some bonafide drama queen material. Oh, and they love beefs. In every Nas article, you'll find a Jay-Z mention every three posts. Vice versa, in every Jay-Z article, there will be mentions about Nas. (or the illuminati, lmao) Seriously? That beef ended over 10 years ago! lol how do people not move on?

Some fans out there are now downright offended, upset or disturbed if a rapper features another unlikeable rapper(from their POV) in a song. ONE song can cause the most ridiculous of riffraffs. Example: Joe Budden announced a future collaboration with Lil Wayne. Bricks were shat. Everything under the book was thrown at him, the sell-out comments, disappointment, hypocrite concerns, blah blah blah. The song hasn't even bloody leaked yet.

Second example dates a few months ago actually, on Lupe Fiasco's page on Facebook was shown a picture of him, Pharrell and Tyler the Creator. Cue fans' outcry about the sole aspect of being in a picture with Tyler, by that I mean the whole nine, fans saying they'll delete Lupe off their page, sell-out comments, consternations about Lupe's acquaintances, talking about what Tyler represents, etc. While I know Tyler isn't exactly the most family-friendly of emcees, people make him out to be the spawn of the devil and it's pretty funny. Lupe hasn't done a song yet with Odd Future, nothing, just looked like some passer-by celebrity gathering picture at a studio, and it's prompting absurd reactions like that.

tl;dr: I feel like open-mindedness is a lost art in this world. Either that or I'm looking at the places where I shouldn't. Or that the monster that the Internet has become has opened my eyes as to how the world really is. But in general, it's looking pretty bleak IMO. There was a skit on Saturday Night Live where Jason Sudeikis dressed up as Satan and impersonated him on the "news report" and he started bragging about how he invented the Internet, the climbing gas rate and article's comments section. So true.

[BHK1978]

TBP: I think you are going to get that kind of reaction whenever you deal with something that people feel passionate about. For me I really like old rap from when I was a kid to when I was in my early teens (Slick Rick, RUN DMC, Public Enemy, Wu Tang, NWA.). That does not mean I will sit here and crap on the new stuff because good music is good music no matter what decade it comes from. However, people tend to look at the past with rose colored glasses. I often find myself guilty of this as well.

I am not a fan of Lil Wayne at all so I can understand people might turn against anyone that wants to work with him. Seriously though it is like you said it is a little ridiculous to crap on something before it even comes out. I actually find myself doing that with movies a lot of the time. I will go in thinking the movie is going to suck just because an actor is it that I do not like. Upon watching the movie I usually end up liking it.

[brashleyholland]

I think you get a bit of 'back in my day' syndrome with everything. I'm always moaning about how amazing cartoons were when I was a kid (GI Joe, Transformers, Jase and the Wheeled Warriors, Centurions, Samurai Pizza Cats, Ninja Turtles etc) vs today (erm...Ben 10? That's a thing, right?).

Same goes for sweets, videogames, music, toys...it was all better 'back in the day'

[Astil]

Originally Posted by moon_lit_tears

Hey I didn't think that!!



Because I'm a girl Nd if you ask a girls opinion we WILL make things match and pretty!

But...blue and orange are complimentary colours

[moon_lit_tears]

Originally Posted by Astil

But...blue and orange are complimentary colours

Dark blue, yes.

Not a soft light fluffy almost girlie blue. That with bright orange looks so......weird.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Originally Posted by BHK1978

TBP: I think you are going to get that kind of reaction whenever you deal with something that people feel passionate about. For me I really like old rap from when I was a kid to when I was in my early teens (Slick Rick, RUN DMC, Public Enemy, Wu Tang, NWA.). That does not mean I will sit here and crap on the new stuff because good music is good music no matter what decade it comes from. However, people tend to look at the past with rose colored glasses. I often find myself guilty of this as well.

I am not a fan of Lil Wayne at all so I can understand people might turn against anyone that wants to work with him. Seriously though it is like you said it is a little ridiculous to crap on something before it even comes out. I actually find myself doing that with movies a lot of the time. I will go in thinking the movie is going to suck just because an actor is it that I do not like. Upon watching the movie I usually end up liking it.

I am passionate indeed(that or it's just my flavor of the month lol), it's just a mindset that's generally rubbed me lately. And maybe also because some of my real life friends reflect those sentiments.. in part. But hell, I'd say I myself even have similar opinions to theirs. I'll co-sign a lot of underground artists & I don't like Lil Wayne either but I won't blow a gasket if someone I like gets him on a song, or if he's making business moves like signing.. whoever to his label. There's just being passionate and there's being what I call an Internet drama queen, is all I'm getting to.

Like I said, it must be a grating factor in lots of subjects in general, probably every music genre has that share of issues since there's always that one crowd that cares too damn much. I don't wanna get too much into it here, but in this case I think the hip-hop world is actually suffering from it. With mixtapes dropping all over the Internet these days, and Twitter being a hell of a factor(and then some...) artists and DJs take some degree of online input into consideration slightly more than the norm, subsequently you got some of them stating how finicky fans are... for some reason that makes me chuckle.

[alphadraighon]

I work in retail, and of all the hell that that entails, one thing above all others gets my blood boiling:

Customers who think they're entitled to a deal. Half the people who walk into my store, the first words out of their mouth is...what sort of deal/discount can you give me?

I got a guy right now, ordered some items a couple weeks back. Gets them, takes them home, takes them out of the box...doesn't like the color. Thought it would be darker.

Somehow this is my fault, and he'll says he'll only keep the merchandise if I'll give him additional items at cost. He didn't even pay for the items...his sister bought them for him as a gift. Now he's emailing me to complain...and so is she.

That's what grinds my gears.

[D-Lyrium]

We get the same in the restaurant trade. People sending dishes back purely because they've realised they don't actually like the dish they've ordered (not because there's anything wrong with it, that's entirely different. They just order things like chicken pate and realise they don't actually like it). Then they think they're entitled to order something else for no cost.

Also, people that eat 99.97% of their meal, THEN complain that it was "horrible", "inedible" or "there was a hair in it". The hair is usually coincidentally extremely similar to their own colour.

Or tables larger than, say, 6 people that walk in to the restaurant on a Saturday evening on a whim, and are astonished when we can't fit them in anywhere.

Or people who ask frankly ridiculous questions, like "can my daughter have the beer-battered fish and chips if she's a coeliac?" I dunno how you make batter where you're from missus, but generally flour is kinda necessary and 99% of beer has wheat in it.

It's a good job I'm not a waiter, or I'd probably lose my rag after a week and start being snarky.

"Does the Coq-au-Vin have wine in it?"
"Yes, why? Would you prefer just the coq?"

"Does the bouillabaisse contain fish?"
"If it didn't, it'd be called tomato soup."

"Is your 'freshly baked bread' baked on the premises?"
"No, we run to the local bakery every time someone orders it."

"Where do you source your fish from?"
"The sea." (This wouldn't be ridiculous at all, were it not for the fact that we're situated right on the harbour of a major city, with a direct, uninterrupted view of a busy fish market. Hell, the damn restaurant used to BE the fish market, before they build the new one).

"Is the orange sorbet suitable for vegetarians?"
"I know it's called 'blood orange' sorbet, but come on..."

And my favourite of all time:
"Is there shellfish in the moules mariniere?"
"... I don't even...?"

[BurningHamster]

Originally Posted by D-Lyrium

We get the same in the restaurant trade. People sending dishes back purely because they've realised they don't actually like the dish they've ordered (not because there's anything wrong with it, that's entirely different. They just order things like chicken pate and realise they don't actually like it). Then they think they're entitled to order something else for no cost.

Also, people that eat 99.97% of their meal, THEN complain that it was "horrible", "inedible" or "there was a hair in it". The hair is usually coincidentally extremely similar to their own colour.

Or tables larger than, say, 6 people that walk in to the restaurant on a Saturday evening on a whim, and are astonished when we can't fit them in anywhere.

Or people who ask frankly ridiculous questions, like "can my daughter have the beer-battered fish and chips if she's a coeliac?" I dunno how you make batter where you're from missus, but generally flour is kinda necessary and 99% of beer has wheat in it.

It's a good job I'm not a waiter, or I'd probably lose my rag after a week and start being snarky.

"Does the Coq-au-Vin have wine in it?"
"Yes, why? Would you prefer just the coq?"

"Does the bouillabaisse contain fish?"
"If it didn't, it'd be called tomato soup."

"Is your 'freshly baked bread' baked on the premises?"
"No, we run to the local bakery every time someone orders it."

"Where do you source your fish from?"
"The sea." (This wouldn't be ridiculous at all, were it not for the fact that we're situated right on the harbour of a major city, with a direct, uninterrupted view of a busy fish market. Hell, the damn restaurant used to BE the fish market, before they build the new one).

"Is the orange sorbet suitable for vegetarians?"
"I know it's called 'blood orange' sorbet, but come on..."

And my favourite of all time:
"Is there shellfish in the moules mariniere?"
"... I don't even...?"

Maybe if more of the dishes had English names you wouldn't have this problem?

As far as I can tell any job that involves people is going to get on your nerves. Not much you can do about that short of becoming super easy going or killing everyone.

[hellboy2]

Originally Posted by brashleyholland

I think you get a bit of 'back in my day' syndrome with everything. I'm always moaning about how amazing cartoons were when I was a kid (GI Joe, Transformers, Jase and the Wheeled Warriors, Centurions, Samurai Pizza Cats, Ninja Turtles etc) vs today (erm...Ben 10? That's a thing, right?).

Same goes for sweets, videogames, music, toys...it was all better 'back in the day'

but in all fairness its true about the cartoons and toys, todays G.I Joes are nothing compared to when i was a kid, same with the Transformer toys

what grinds me at the moment is people who smoke and then spit, i am an ex smoker the Girlfriend is a smoker but neither of us spit after each toke

actually spitting in general for me the deep hakkkkkkkkkk tuh ones

[bigtplaystew]

Originally Posted by brashleyholland

I think you get a bit of 'back in my day' syndrome with everything. I'm always moaning about how amazing cartoons were when I was a kid (GI Joe, Transformers, Jase and the Wheeled Warriors, Centurions, Samurai Pizza Cats, Ninja Turtles etc) vs today (erm...Ben 10? That's a thing, right?).

Same goes for sweets, videogames, music, toys...it was all better 'back in the day'

This is generations old. The "kids stuff was way better when I was a kid than it is today" mentality is nothing new to our generation. But I don't subscribe to it.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was my favorite when I was a kid. I acquired a four-episode DVD from my work (I worked at a movie warehouse at the time) and couldn't get through two episodes in a row. Those cartoons are horrendous.

I simply enjoyed them at the time because I was 8 and didn't know any better.

[Imarevenant]

Originally Posted by Tha Black Phenom

I am passionate indeed(that or it's just my flavor of the month lol), it's just a mindset that's generally rubbed me lately. And maybe also because some of my real life friends reflect those sentiments.. in part. But hell, I'd say I myself even have similar opinions to theirs. I'll co-sign a lot of underground artists & I don't like Lil Wayne either but I won't blow a gasket if someone I like gets him on a song, or if he's making business moves like signing.. whoever to his label. There's just being passionate and there's being what I call an Internet drama queen, is all I'm getting to.

Like I said, it must be a grating factor in lots of subjects in general, probably every music genre has that share of issues since there's always that one crowd that cares too damn much. I don't wanna get too much into it here, but in this case I think the hip-hop world is actually suffering from it. With mixtapes dropping all over the Internet these days, and Twitter being a hell of a factor(and then some...) artists and DJs take some degree of online input into consideration slightly more than the norm, subsequently you got some of them stating how finicky fans are... for some reason that makes me chuckle.

I hear you TPB. I'm so tired of every rapper being called a sell out because they don't cater to every single opinion of what they are supposed to be doing put out there by their "fans."

"Oh NOES! Big Boi did a song with Gucci!!!! What a sellout."

"How dare Kno get mad that the fans are tipping record labels off to the samples he's putting into his free mixtapes! If he really loved hip hop he wouldn't care about getting sued. Sellout!!"

It's pretty ridiculous how much the internet hip hop community bitches about just about everything. The ones that annoy me the most though are the people who only listen to "real hip hop." Which of course means only conscious hip hop and anything from 93 and 94; because of course we don't want the music to progress past what was popular 20 damn years ago now do we. I can't bring myself to discuss Hip Hop much on the internet anymore because of this; beside the dead Hip Hop thread here in the dogpound and the hip hop thread on RYM.

[BHK1978]

alphadraighon: I agree with you, it just plain sucks working with the general public. Customers are always trying to get over on you or so it seems. Some will even start a petty argument with you, fully expecting that you will argue with them so that they complain to the manager in the hopes of getting something to free.

What I hate is when you have customers who are complete and utter morons and they call you stupid. There was this one lady that used to come into the Supermarket that I worked in that would routinely call the people that worked there morons. Now this lady was clearly stupid, you could tell by her vocabulary or lack thereof that she herself was an idiot.

It used to burn me up because, while I might not be the smartest person, I did graduate College (I am not able to do anything with my degree but that is a different story.) and so I do have some intelligence. Here you have this welfare queen calling me a moron and this lady is the one who is an idiot.

Anyway, one day she caught me when I was having a bad day. She asked me a question and I was already predisposed to be nasty towards this woman and so I gave her a terse answer. She did not like that so she basically called me an idiot, to which I said (This is a very clean version of what I said so it is not an exact quote…), “Look lady I have a College Education, do not think I am a moron just because I work here. This is just the only job I can seem to find, unlike you who are a welfare queen and a boil on our society.”

Of course she flipped out, told a manager and I was reprimanded, I would have been fired if it was not a union job, and she was giving a gift card. So yeah I hate dealing with the public.

Originally Posted by BurningHamster

As far as I can tell any job that involves people is going to get on your nerves. Not much you can do about that short of becoming super easy going or killing everyone.

Quoted for the truth, I used to like people for the most part. That was until I started working with the public. At one of my previous jobs I used to get so pissed off just looking at the door. I did not even have to enter the place I was so angry with the potential people that I had to deal with.

[BHK1978]

When a cute woman claims to be a dork or a nerd. That is just never the case. Do you think any of these women have ever thought about who would win in a fight Kirk or Picard?

Stop claiming to be something you are not!!!!

[brashleyholland]

Originally Posted by hellboy2

but in all fairness its true about the cartoons and toys, todays G.I Joes are nothing compared to when i was a kid, same with the Transformer toys

In fairness with the toys, I got a £50 Optimus Prime a couple of years ago and a £120 Skywarp and they both take a big metal dump over their 80's equivalents :-)

Still hard pressed to find a toy that beats the Ninja Turtle blimp though!