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The fact that she got a tip at all baffles me. If she did that I would be closer to lodging a complaint than giving her money for her own pocket. By all means tip if they do their job, if not, don't give them a dime.
You're supposed to leave a small tip, to not only show that you're just not a dick, but also that the case wasn't that you simply FORGOT to leave a tip. A very small tip sends a clear message that you feel they suck.

That said...

It did grind my gears as a server when I didn't get tipped. And I was ALWAYS a good server (or at least a solid one). I refilled drinks, got food out promptly, always polite... but some people just aren't grateful in the least. I've actually had a table outright tell me they came in here planning not to tip anyone (naturally, I passed that table off to someone else ). And no, they didn't leave a tip. But if you can't afford to tip at LEAST 15%, then you can't afford to go out to eat. Servers are working for a reason, and rarely get paid more than a couple dollars an hour hourly. And don't give any of that "well, then you should get a job that pays more than that an hour!" It's bull****, and you know it. There's a reason a person is currently working as a waiter and not pulling in $50 somewhere else.

That said, when I'm on the otherside of the situation I don't have much tolerance for poor service. When I go out to eat, particularly Mexican food, I drink a LOT. And I've had folks never refill my drinks, while I'm growing desperatly parched. Mexican food is cheesy, salty, and frequently spicy. Not having a drink with it results in me not being happy!
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You're supposed to leave a small tip, to not only show that you're just not a dick, but also that the case wasn't that you simply FORGOT to leave a tip. A very small tip sends a clear message that you feel they suck.

That said...

It did grind my gears as a server when I didn't get tipped. And I was ALWAYS a good server (or at least a solid one). I refilled drinks, got food out promptly, always polite... but some people just aren't grateful in the least. I've actually had a table outright tell me they came in here planning not to tip anyone (naturally, I passed that table off to someone else ). And no, they didn't leave a tip. But if you can't afford to tip at LEAST 15%, then you can't afford to go out to eat. Servers are working for a reason, and rarely get paid more than a couple dollars an hour hourly. And don't give any of that "well, then you should get a job that pays more than that an hour!" It's bull****, and you know it. There's a reason a person is currently working as a waiter and not pulling in $50 somewhere else.

That said, when I'm on the otherside of the situation I don't have much tolerance for poor service. When I go out to eat, particularly Mexican food, I drink a LOT. And I've had folks never refill my drinks, while I'm growing desperatly parched. Mexican food is cheesy, salty, and frequently spicy. Not having a drink with it results in me not being happy!
See I agree with you. I have spoken to people who work as a server because they have to. Some because they want to.

Either way I think its the right thing to do.

Waiters, waitresses, bartenders, and folks like them all deserve to be tipped.. I don't agree with ANYONE not leaving a tip at all.
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Absolutely. I have literally lost friends to MMORPG's, I just can't get my head around that. They play before and after work, all weekend, days off. One of them regularly calls in sick to play. They won't come out, or even come over to watch a movie because they are 'meeting people on WOW'.

Everything is cool in moderation, but MMORPG's by their very nature suck your time away. Some people would be better off with some good old fashioned fresh air.
As an ex-WoW player, I have to say that those seem like somewhat extreme examples.

For the majority of my playership (5-7 years? I don't remember. I know I came in around 1.07, and left last august) I have been unemplyed. As a result, I was in fact online roughly 8 hours a day.

Yet, I've never considered myself a "hardcore player." I spent most of my time running in circles chatting with people, or grinding materials for my trade skills, or helping lowbies (the official term for someone who's not a moron but isn't cap level).

However, if someone called me, and said "We're going to the movies," or "we're going to the mall," or "we're playing football" the only reason I wouldn't come is because I've got a bit of social phobia. If I would've come under any circumstances, I'd drop WoW in a heartbeat.

That's why I've never joined a raiding guild, in fact. Because I'm not prepared to skip dinner (which has the risk of running late, and making me miss raids) just so I can do stupid Naxx.
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I don't know where you are from but being an elementary school teacher I have a question for you.

Here they teach the younger kids kindergarten-1st grade stretch spelling. then they teach them 2end on that it's wrong. WTF is up with that?
I have no idea what you're talking about...
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I have no idea what you're talking about...

They teach stretch spelling. Sound the word out and spell it how it SOUNDS not like it should be spelled...
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Yes my feelings on pride is warped. A lot of my feelings on subjects I've been told is warped.

Someone mentioned earlier about people wanting to raise the minimum wage, I agree... However it still needs to stay congruent to the cost of living. Others people will turn to crime instead on an honest days work.

I make just above minimum wage, and I feel that it's accurate to the difficulty of my actual job. It's easy, not the least bit stressful, I'm good at it. I don't kid myself for one minute thinking it's something more then what it is, a pissant cashier job at a grocery store. I can be replaced with U-Scan machines! There is no self-respect to be found working there! Still you'd be shocked at the 40 year olds, who aren't managers, that act like we're working in the higher levels of a corporate office. Just wanna shake these people and yell "PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR FREAKING SORROUNDINGS!"

I suppose that's ultimately what grinds my gears the most, people that lie about themselves so much that they drink their own kool-aid.

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See I agree with you. I have spoken to people who work as a server because they have to. Some because they want to.

Either way I think its the right thing to do.

Waiters, waitresses, bartenders, and folks like them all deserve to be tipped.. I don't agree with ANYONE not leaving a tip at all.
If they have to, why am I paying the make up the faults in their life that lead them there? No one cares about anyone elses sob story, fact of life. Least of all people with sob stories that knows that no one cares.

If they want to, then congrats, your working a bad job. Once again not really my problem, your tip isn't entitled it's earned. Instead of putting it on society, do what any other schmucks do and freaking unionize.

I use to be the Jerk who never tipped, then I grew up. Now I feel it's up to me, since I'm paying I'm now your boss. Do adequate job? You'll get your 15%. Go beyond? throw you a few more bucks. Hell I'll even tip a dollar to poor service if it's a place I frequent regularly out of being a regular patron. If it's a place I rarely go? Your poor service isn't getting squat.

...you know what else? When waitress comes by to ask me how everything is, and I have to pause my eating to say "delicious thank you!" obviously I'm mowing down the burger I'm doing okay. If I did have a problem I'd speak up when you came to refill my drink. Yes your trying to be courteous, but I know your only doing it because you care about the tip not because you actually give a damn.

hmmm... I should ask that the next time a waitress asks me that. If I feel she's honest, I'll throw her an extra dollar.
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They teach stretch spelling. Sound the word out and spell it how it SOUNDS not like it should be spelled...
I don't know. I teach 5th grade, so most of my students know how to spell by then.
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I don't know. I teach 5th grade, so most of my students know how to spell by then.
Do teaching children really suck as much as it sounds? I mean what do you do more of? Disciplinary or Teaching?

I want to teach college-level if only so I can say "If you don't like it, there's the door."
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Sad to see that the answer for everything is "unionize".

EDIT: What grinds my gears? People who expect the government to solve their problems.

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Yes my feelings on pride is warped. A lot of my feelings on subjects I've been told is warped.

Someone mentioned earlier about people wanting to raise the minimum wage, I agree... However it still needs to stay congruent to the cost of living. Others people will turn to crime instead on an honest days work.

I make just above minimum wage, and I feel that it's accurate to the difficulty of my actual job. It's easy, not the least bit stressful, I'm good at it. I don't kid myself for one minute thinking it's something more then what it is, a pissant cashier job at a grocery store. I can be replaced with U-Scan machines! There is no self-respect to be found working there! Still you'd be shocked at the 40 year olds, who aren't managers, that act like we're working in the higher levels of a corporate office. Just wanna shake these people and yell "PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR FREAKING SORROUNDINGS!"

I suppose that's ultimately what grinds my gears the most, people that lie about themselves so much that they drink their own kool-aid.



If they have to, why am I paying the make up the faults in their life that lead them there? No one cares about anyone elses sob story, fact of life. Least of all people with sob stories that knows that no one cares.

If they want to, then congrats, your working a bad job. Once again not really my problem, your tip isn't entitled it's earned. Instead of putting it on society, do what any other schmucks do and freaking unionize.

I use to be the Jerk who never tipped, then I grew up. Now I feel it's up to me, since I'm paying I'm now your boss. Do adequate job? You'll get your 15%. Go beyond? throw you a few more bucks. Hell I'll even tip a dollar to poor service if it's a place I frequent regularly out of being a regular patron. If it's a place I rarely go? Your poor service isn't getting squat.

...you know what else? When waitress comes by to ask me how everything is, and I have to pause my eating to say "delicious thank you!" obviously I'm mowing down the burger I'm doing okay. If I did have a problem I'd speak up when you came to refill my drink. Yes your trying to be courteous, but I know your only doing it because you care about the tip not because you actually give a damn.

hmmm... I should ask that the next time a waitress asks me that. If I feel she's honest, I'll throw her an extra dollar.
I really dislike your statements. Someone who is doing that job doesn't deserve to be insulted like that. I am sure they care weather they get a tip or not, but I am almost certain they are not doing the job JUST for the tip.


If you are working and you get hurt and are reduced to living on say short-term disability. Do you think that the government would say Well I don't give a damn what put him here we shouldn't have to worry about why he is here. Screw him.

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I don't know. I teach 5th grade, so most of my students know how to spell by then.
That's cool. It irked me when my niece learned it in first grade. I argued with the teacher about it. Then in second grade she was told No you don't stretch spell. Man me and the principal at school had HUGE fights about that.

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Sad to see that the answer for everything is "unionize".

EDIT: What grinds my gears? People who expect the government to solve their problems.
There are so many people doing it that I can't stand it.

I admit I know some of those people have come across hard times and can't help it. 98 percent of them though just don't care.
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after reading some of the replies to do the noob / newbie gear grinding thing i mentioned. i decided to do a google search and found out that it was on the list of millions of words the some committee somewhere in the anal cavity of merriam webster votes on each year. I didn't think anything of it and assumed ok well luckily it didn't get in. No that's not the case, i decided to see what words did make it, i figured 1 maybe 2 new words a year, but 17, 950! Listen to some of these gems:

smartphone - not a word its a product for sale, not necessary to have its own definition when the dam thing is on tv ever 15 seconds.EOP, confuscation, terribad, gigundous, astig, textcasm. Those are just some of my favorites from the first two pages. There's 100+ more pages here's the link if anyone wants to check them out: http://www3.merriam-webster.com/open...ent.php?last=0

Its not just noob that they added either here's the list for that:

http://www3.merriam-webster.com/open...ord_search.php

I can't even keep my gears from grinding long enough to type them out. Back in my day i remember always being told by my english teacher ain't is not a word, its not in the dictionary so don't use it. I'd hate to be an english teacher now a days, with all this crap. Officially adding that word to the english, at least american english language is the straw that broke that camels back to turn a phrase. Anyone know how you move to a new country, legally that is?

So i guess that's another thing that grinds my gears. Stop lowering standards or changing things to fit people's idiocracy. Ebonics, stupid (can't say that here) that people make up on the internet to make up for their inability to type or pure laziness to type out a whole word and i'm sure there's more out there, that's fine but don't impose this crap on others. I'm all for making up or using a made up language/words just don't force others to learn it. A local news story, a cop was almost fired because he printed out an Ebonics to English dictionary for his fellow cops. Most of whom were either new to the force or have never worked in an urban environment. It was titled Know the language, it may save your life. So in an attempt to help his new co-workers he was almost fired? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. A story i seen on the news from the " world headlines " some national committee was deliberating on whether or not to add ebonics, AS A FOREIGN LANGUAGE CLASS, WTF?

Edit: I forgot to mention i remember either watching one of those court tv shows or it might have been on the news but a judge threw a dictionary at some guy that was in her court room and told him if its not in there don't use it while in my court room. I almost fell off the couch laughing.
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So how much of your life do you have to waste to be considered "hardcore"?

Yeah, I guess MMO's and MMO players are on my list of things that grind my gears.
Hardcore (by our guild's definition) is 5-8 hours a day, six days a week. "Life wasting" is highly subjective. How much TV do you watch?

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Absolutely. I have literally lost friends to MMORPG's, I just can't get my head around that. They play before and after work, all weekend, days off. One of them regularly calls in sick to play. They won't come out, or even come over to watch a movie because they are 'meeting people on WOW'.

Everything is cool in moderation, but MMORPG's by their very nature suck your time away. Some people would be better off with some good old fashioned fresh air.
There's a misconception that people who play a lot somehow have "no lives" or "live in their mother's basement" or some such nonsense. As I've said, I am nothing if not a hardcore player but I still hold a job (in fact, I can often play from work, though only doing drudgery type tasks), somehow I've managed to maintain elite frequent flyer status with three airlines (so obviously, I get plenty of fresh air), and maintain a somewhat active social calendar (I try to stay away from clubs to avoid trouble...but if a friend or client is promoting an event, meh, I have to go). I'm not saying I'm typical (though I have quite a few guildmates who are in IT and can be found online, ingame, during the work day) but I haven't yet run into too many of the "deadbeat" types.

My Xfire says I've spent over 10,000 hours gaming since October 1, 2005. That's a bit low but only because I only run xfire on my primary PC at home (so my time playing from work or on the road, aren't counted). Might be actually close to double that.

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That's why I've never joined a raiding guild, in fact. Because I'm not prepared to skip dinner (which has the risk of running late, and making me miss raids) just so I can do stupid Naxx.
Well, I've been MMOing for over a decade now so my setup mitigates any inconvenience that might arise. It's kinda hard to be truly hardcore in WoW since the game is just so easy, you quickly run out of things to spend time on. But that's by design since you really HAD to be hardcore to be 'high end' in the game most of WoW's senior developers started in (EverQuest 1). Nowadays, games aren't nearly as demanding of time as they were way back when, so many have lowered the bar as far as that definition. But there are some guilds that don't like being restricted by the standard windows of their peer guilds. It's also a reason why there is no longer competition for spawns (which is where most of the ingame time was necessary) so you can plan out a fixed raid schedule and stick to it with no problem.

I recall years ago in EQ where my guild at the time had just beaten a key mob and was going to go into the "end zone" of the expansion (Vex Thal, in this case). The problem was, we couldn't leave the zone until we had cleared it because if we did, a competing guild would just walk in and kill everything we left up. As the last mob in the zone was the one with the most sought after loot and you HAD to clear everything (or most everything) before you got to her (or she'd cast an AoE death touch on the entire raid), we didn't have much of a choice. We spent 13 hours clearing that zone....starting at 9pm on a Friday night. Some people had to log out but we were lucky enough to have some Aussie members who logged in shortly after. That kinda thing doesn't happen in MMOs anymore. Now, you just gather outside some spot and enter the instance. No muss, no fuss, no time needed to scout mobs ("Statue is up!") or fear of losing out if you quit early.

That's where the "hardcore" requirement comes in. When we mount up, we typically hit everything that's up, in one play session. That might be as long as 7 hours (if there's a lot available) but is rarely less than 5.
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- That level on GTA San Andreas where you have to shoot the model planes down
This...definitely this! It was the most stupid and unnecessarily hard level i have ever seen!
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On the whole tipping thing again:

Yeah i was speaking strictly as an american as i've never worked in another country so i don't know their pay policies. Minimum wage which is supposed to be the bare minimum you need to live. Basically rent, food, clothing. The last i heard it was i think $7.50 ( give or take a quarter ), server wage : i'm almost positive it was raised slightly when minimum wage went up so ballpark i'll say $2.25 (if it didn't go up $2.13/hr) , bartender wage slightly more i think is now at $3.50. That's all they are required to pay by law. Neither of which is anywhere close to the minimum the government says you need to live. Take into account that by law as a server/bartender you are required to report all of your tips, through your job who is required to submit it to the payroll company. 99.9% of the time your hourly wage covers the cost of your taxes, SSI and whatever else the government takes out of ones paycheck. So it is implied that they are making enough to live on from their tips.

I've had people buy me a shot for a tip and that's acceptable to me. I don't think its wrong for me or anyone in the service industry to call someone a cheapskate if they don't tip. I don't care if you leave me pennies even if I was an awesome bartender. Its still something. I'll give you some examples of why I feel this way, I used to have a regular customer come into the bar 5 nights a week for a couple months, one of those real needy types. I was always service with a smile, never got a dime. He came in on a busy night and asked for some popcorn after i gave him his beer as i'm moving on to the next person waiting for a drink. I told him can I get a tip? His response what do i have to tip you for? He sat there for two more hours with an empty glass before he got the picture and left. I don't mind not getting tipped every once in a while it happens I don't judge what i don't need is an explanation like this next example, because of my boss's policy i always collect money before i deliver the drinks everyone who knows and those who ask are fine with it so no problems there. I had to guys come in construction workers order two draft beers. 44oz of beer , happy hour total was $5. He paid with a $10 and bartender habit, his change was five $1 bills. i laid them on the bar in front of him and went and got the two beers. I'm getting ready to set them down and he had the nerve to tell me " We're not going to tip you because you're white." So I poured the two beers down the sink and told him well if that's your attitude I'm not going to serve you because you're black, and moved onto the customer who was next to them. So I guess bottom line is I guess like I said before; No you don't Have to tip, but don't be surprised if you receive crappy or no service in return. Again speaking from an American worker standpoint.

I wasn't considering the policies in other countries though, I know the first couple times I went to Windsor Ontario, Canada the bartenders would always give me the strangest looks when I would leave a tip. Regrettably I've never been able to travel elsewhere so I don't even know the standard practices from being a patron. So that was speaking from strictly an american standpoint.

EDIT: On a completely unrelated note, I've seen people call off or request off of work due to MMO's like EQ and EQII and now WOW. I've also seen people tell their boss they needed to go home because their was a raid happening on EQ. I'll play MMO's every now and then but only the free to play ones. I just can't fathom spending $60 on a brand new game just to have to turn around and spend $15 a month just to be able to play something I've already purchased. To each their own I guess and if you've got the spare loot to do so more power to you.
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I don't think you're supposed to live on minimum wage. If I am to entertain that thought, it's certainly not set up for you to support a family (even just 1 other person). And that's what grinds my gears on the subject: When people say "I need minimum wage to support my family of 4 (or whatever)."

In some places you may be able to do so (probably college towns with cheap housing). But you're supposed to be past that at a certain age (and before you're a senior citizen). Those are the only two groups who I could see accepting those jobs out of necessity (the young and the old). If you're in between and you agree to take a job that pays minimum wage, that's on you.

Servers are the exception to the rule, as most I've known make a very decent living doing what they do. A friend of mine who is/was a bartender, calculated he worked 8 months a year (maybe it was 9) when you counted days off and stuff. And he took trips of 3 weeks sometimes to Costa Rica or other countries. Not bad.
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