Where's The Love for WMMA2?

[LoNdOn]

I don't know about you guys and gals but it saddens me to see the amount of traffic that there is on the WMMA2 side of the GDS forums. Everytime I look at the TEW forums there are always brand new topics with people dropping in their thoughts on a frequent basis. Now I know TEW is a great game (I purchased it on the day it came out) but for my money WMMA2 is just as good if not better. Maybe it is just me wanting to talk about the game more but I just wish that the WMMA2 general discussions forum had more activity. Anyway that is my rant over. Feel free to ignore it, I just felt as though I needed to vent a little.

Is it just a case of there being fewer people who are into WMMA2?

[openeye]

Yeah, I've been lurking these forums now and then and everyone seems to be shy to say anything...

I bought WMMA 2 last summer, and it is still one of my favorite games.

[Makhai]

Originally Posted by LoNdOn

I don't know about you guys and gals but it saddens me to see the amount of traffic that there is on the WMMA2 side of the GDS forums. Everytime I look at the TEW forums there are always brand new topics with people dropping in their thoughts on a frequent basis. Now I know TEW is a great game (I purchased it on the day it came out) but for my money WMMA2 is just as good if not better. Maybe it is just me wanting to talk about the game more but I just wish that the WMMA2 general discussions forum had more activity. Anyway that is my rant over. Feel free to ignore it, I just felt as though I needed to vent a little.

Is it just a case of there being fewer people who are into WMMA2?

WMMA 2 isn't anywhere near as deep, or full featured a title, because of it, it doesn't have the depth of topic or the fan base to manage that level of banter. And frankly it probably will always be the red-headed stepchild when compared to TEW. That's just the way it is.

Adam has stated on multiple occasions that he wants WMMA to stay a casual gameplay experience. TEW is catered fully to the hardcore, and the hardcore tend to be more active. Who would have thunk? While I'd love to see it as well, it's doubtful it'll ever get to that level without a major change in course from GDS. Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime in the short term.

[samuricex]

I really don't know what happened because WMMA1 used to have an active forum all the time.

[Nephrinn]

I still play WMMA2 almost every day, but yeah, not a whole lot to say about WMMA2 because it isn't as deep and I wish it was. Though WMMA2 improved in many areas, it lost a lot of the financial/management aspects that made WMMA1 more of a game rather than a match simulator.

[BrokenCycle]

I don't buy that the board isn't as active because the game doesn't have finance management. WMMA is just so much more straight forward than TEW is. Book two fighters. Move on. The real issue is that the TEW is just so much more inspiring, by the nature of professional wrestling. Most of TEW's discussion is "Hey I pushed such and such" and "Hey let me brag about my storyline".

[thamolas]

The game is fun, but it does feel like something is missing. I have no idea what, exactly.

The financial aspect is too easy. Being able to go from smallest level to High International in every region except Africa in 3 years is unrealistic. Being able to pull down 30+ million a month in less than four years is just too easy.

The match-making is fun, but not really engaging after you've spent a few weeks doing it.

I wish I had the golden idea to inject a little magic into this series, but I'm not sure what that would be. If I think of anything, I'll post it.

[BuddyGarner]

TEW's game world is better than WMMA2's. You also have a lot more control in TEW than WMMA2. If a fighter retires in TEW you can still have him/her fight.

And a database size needs to be a lot bigger for WMMA than it does for TEW. It doesn't matter how many losses a guy has in TEW, you can always turn him into a potential star but in WMMA some records are just unrecoverable.

[LoNdOn]

Well it is nice to see that others feel the same. I love this game and have played it damn near every day since I got it last Easter. To me the joy out of the game is the booking of fights. I like to see careers blossom and fighters enjoy good title reigns. I enjoy seeing/reading entertaining fights and I like the challenge that the booking can present. I do agree though that the database could do with a massive influx of fighters and that is why I will be eternally greatful to weidt who has done something to aid this cause. I remember when the render thread saw lots of new creations on a regular basis and now it is a ghost town. If I had the capabilities of creating renders I would be doing them as often as I could and posting them on the boards for everyone to use. I appreciate that real life comes first but it seemed strange that the render makers almost disappeard. Does anybody reading this have the software etc. to make some renders? If so would they be willing to start creating some renders so we, the fans of WMMA2 can start expanding this gaming universe? That should light a fire to start disucussion.

[Scottie]

It is a pretty criminally underappreciated game IMO. I'd love to see a few guys get together and do something like has been done in TEW and create a bit of history about the scenario. Surely it'd be even easier for WMMA than professional wrestling.

I'm talking fight histories, relationships, etc. Would be a great way to really add some more depth to the database.

[Adam Ryland]

Originally Posted by Scottie

I'd love to see a few guys get together and do something like has been done in TEW and create a bit of history about the scenario. Surely it'd be even easier for WMMA than professional wrestling.

Ironically given the different in sizes, it's actually considerably harder, at least in my opinion, to put together a proper history for MMA than it is for wrestling - the reason being that scheduling becomes an absolute nightmare when you have fighters who can only compete a set number of times within a certain time frame or you have situations where a fighter must have a few consecutive wins prior to event X in order to be realistically able to challenge for the title they won on that date, whereas with wrestling you can have guys fight twice in a single night if you need to "fudge" certain timelines.

A general history IMO is about all that you can do for an existing database in MMA, if you want a properly constructed event-by-event timeline you'd really need to write the timeline first and construct the database second.

[LoNdOn]

Originally Posted by Adam Ryland

Ironically given the different in sizes, it's actually considerably harder, at least in my opinion, to put together a proper history for MMA than it is for wrestling - the reason being that scheduling becomes an absolute nightmare when you have fighters who can only compete a set number of times within a certain time frame or you have situations where a fighter must have a few consecutive wins prior to event X in order to be realistically able to challenge for the title they won on that date, whereas with wrestling you can have guys fight twice in a single night if you need to "fudge" certain timelines.

A general history IMO is about all that you can do for an existing database in MMA, if you want a properly constructed event-by-event timeline you'd really need to write the timeline first and construct the database second.

Oddly enough, the fact that there are no pre-fight history in the game is not an issue for me. I like booking fresh fights and so not knowing who the fighters have beaten before becoming president at the start of the game to me is good because every fight you book at the beginning is "new". I'm talking about adding new renders to the game that debut throughout. weidt has done a fantastic job of starting this with his mod but I think there is room for a great deal more fighters, especially in the lower weight classes. If somebody would be willing to do renders I would have no problem adding a bio and skillset for them and including them into a mod. Ideally I would like to add weidt's characters to the original database (which I have done for my dynasty) and build from there. Is there anybody who is interested in creating renders for such a project?

[Scottie]

Originally Posted by Adam Ryland

Ironically given the different in sizes, it's actually considerably harder, at least in my opinion, to put together a proper history for MMA than it is for wrestling - the reason being that scheduling becomes an absolute nightmare when you have fighters who can only compete a set number of times within a certain time frame or you have situations where a fighter must have a few consecutive wins prior to event X in order to be realistically able to challenge for the title they won on that date, whereas with wrestling you can have guys fight twice in a single night if you need to "fudge" certain timelines.

A general history IMO is about all that you can do for an existing database in MMA, if you want a properly constructed event-by-event timeline you'd really need to write the timeline first and construct the database second.

Yeah, I tried it once before with GAMMA and it is a bit difficult. Perhaps the best way to start would be to do a list of GAMMA and ALPHA-1 events, and the odd big match elsewhere. Would take a bit of work from the community, though.

[Adam Ryland]

I'm not sure it ever could be a community project, simply because every fight you add would have to be carefully checked to make sure it doesn't contradict data already added - the only way it would work as a group would be if you specifically divided fighters up and said "this group only works for ALPHA-1, this group is exclusive to GAMMA, etc" and that would be unrealistic. I believe that it would have to be done by one person, or at the very least done with one person working as a project manager and having an iron grip over what everyone else is working on.

[curtains]

WMMA2 is the greatest video game I have ever played.