WMMA2 Update Thread (Real World)

[JustinVoss]

Hey guys, just an idea, but I thought we could all use this thread for posting real world updates in order to update our ToS or MW games. That way someone could have posted that Jardine was released by UFC or perhaps someone could create a Batista template and we could help each other stay up to date.

Any ideas are welcome.

[michael1234_uk]

They could also mention that Fedor lost to Werdum last night inside two minutes,

[Couture=Legend]

Originally Posted by michael1234_uk

They could also mention that Fedor lost to Werdum last night inside two minutes,

I suppose your now going to jump on the "Fedor was overrated" bandwagon??

Werdum is one of the best BJJ practitioners in the sport & i don't care who you are, whether it's Fedor Emelianenko or some kid from the street, if you don't respect the guard of someone like Werdum then your getting tapped out, End of story!

Fedor made a horrendous error, he clearly overlooked Werdum but he's still the best heavyweight on the planet & this result does nothing to change that other than to once again highlight that Mixed Martial Arts is the most intriguing sport in the world.

[Gomi]

Originally Posted by Couture=Legend

I suppose your now going to jump on the "Fedor was overrated" bandwagon??

Didn't look like he said that to me.

Werdum is one of the best BJJ practitioners in the sport & i don't care who you are, whether it's Fedor Emelianenko or some kid from the street, if you don't respect the guard of someone like Werdum then your getting tapped out, End of story!

Agreed for any top tier Heavyweight in MMA apart from Nog.

Fedor made a horrendous error, he clearly overlooked Werdum but he's still the best heavyweight on the planet & this result does nothing to change that other than to once again highlight that Mixed Martial Arts is the most intriguing sport in the world.

IMO, the top 5 P4P Heavyweight in the world (in terms of results) are:

1. Fabricio Werdum (To be the man, you gotta beat the man)
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Cain Velasquez
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Junior Dos Santos

IMO, Carwin will knock Brock out, so he will move to 3 or 4, depending on how well he performs.

Anyway, to the OP, I'd like to see new promotions such as Art of War and Legend FC in Real World Mods.

[TheBrockLock]

Originally Posted by Gomi

1. Fabricio Werdum (To be the man, you gotta beat the man)
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Cain Velasquez
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Junior Dos Santos

IMO, Carwin will knock Brock out, so he will move to 3 or 4, depending on how well he performs.

Anyway, to the OP, I'd like to see new promotions such as Art of War and Legend FC in Real World Mods.

Ohh boy so many questions about this... How does Werdum jump all the way to 1 with one win? How is Cain ahead of Lesner? Where is Carwin?

Yes Werdum beat Fedor, but just becuase you beat someone in the top 10 does not mean you take over their spot, becuase there is no way you can be saying that Werdum is now better then Lesner, or Carwin or Dos Santos or Cain with one win. Then you have Cain at number 2? What? What about Lesner? Lesner stopped Mir, Cain stopped Big Nog, Mir crushed Big Nog in their fight, so Cain still goes in front of Lesner? And where in gods name is Shane Carwin, 12 first round ko's or tko's and he is behind dos Santos, and Cain and Werdum? Im sorry but I can not take you as being intelligent on mma matters after this post.

For the record, my top 10
1.Lesner
2.Carwin
3.Velasquez
4.dos Santos
5.Werdum
6.Fedor
7.Overeem
8.Mir
9.Silva
10.Big Nog

[Self]

Accurate ranking are pretty much impossible in sports. Anything can happen, so the best you can do is ball-park it. Even the best fighters can have a momentary lapse in judgement and get caught. In WMMA terms all you can do is lower Fedor's submission defense and maybe raise Werdum's submission skill.

[Couture=Legend]

Originally Posted by Gomi

Didn't look like he said that to me.

Well maybe not, sounded very sarcastic to me tho.

Agreed for any top tier Heavyweight in MMA apart from Nog.

I think if Nog didn't respect the guard of Werdum then he'd get submitted too.

IMO, the top 5 P4P Heavyweight in the world (in terms of results) are:

1. Fabricio Werdum (To be the man, you gotta beat the man)
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Cain Velasquez
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Junior Dos Santos

As 'Self' says, nobody will ever be able to actually get this right so it's all really opinions & what you base it on but i'd say,

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar [IF he beats Carwin i'd put him above Fedor]
3. Fabricio Werdum
4. Shane Carwin [IF he beats Brock i'd put Brock down at 4, Werdum at 2 & Carwin at 3]
5. Cain Velasquez

[Couture=Legend]

Originally Posted by TheBrockLock

Ohh boy so many questions about this... How does Werdum jump all the way to 1 with one win? How is Cain ahead of Lesner? Where is Carwin?

Yes Werdum beat Fedor, but just becuase you beat someone in the top 10 does not mean you take over their spot, becuase there is no way you can be saying that Werdum is now better then Lesner, or Carwin or Dos Santos or Cain with one win. Then you have Cain at number 2? What? What about Lesner? Lesner stopped Mir, Cain stopped Big Nog, Mir crushed Big Nog in their fight, so Cain still goes in front of Lesner? And where in gods name is Shane Carwin, 12 first round ko's or tko's and he is behind dos Santos, and Cain and Werdum? Im sorry but I can not take you as being intelligent on mma matters after this post.

For the record, my top 10
1.Lesner
2.Carwin
3.Velasquez
4.dos Santos
5.Werdum
6.Fedor
7.Overeem
8.Mir
9.Silva
10.Big Nog

First i don't think MMA Math works in any situation at all, Every fight is different. Also mate don't listen to the UFC hype machine telling you how Shane Carwin has wrecked everyone in the 1st round by (T)KO because well he hasn't, 5 of his wins are by submission.

[LoNdOn]

No doubt about it Self, rankings are subjective and this often leads to varying opinions and theories. However, it can also be said that some opinions are at the very least misguided.

[DK2112]

I like the idea of this topic, however I think we may have to wait to see if Batista actually ever has an MMA fight before rating him otherwise it's literally taking stabs in the dark.

But like I say, good idea, and would be nice if this was kept updated.

[Gomi]

Originally Posted by TheBrockLock

Ohh boy so many questions about this... How does Werdum jump all the way to 1 with one win?

Don't know how you do your rankings. I do mine on recent wins, not who I would actually put a bet on to win a fight (sounds strange, but that's how most people do their rankings).

How is Cain ahead of Lesner?

Lesnar is 1-1 with Frank Mir, beat two cans, and has a win over a Light Heavyweight in his late fourties. Cain on the other hand, dominated a top 15 guy, then knocked out Nog who going into that fight had just dismantled Randy.

Where is Carwin?

Biggest wins over two inconsistent guys doesn't mean alot to me.

Yes Werdum beat Fedor, but just becuase you beat someone in the top 10 does not mean you take over their spot,

Refer to earlier in my post.

becuase there is no way you can be saying that Werdum is now better then Lesner,

Possibly.

or Carwin

Doubtful.

or Dos Santos or Cain with one win.

NO

When you have Cain at number 2? What? What about Lesner? Lesner stopped Mir, Cain stopped Big Nog, Mir crushed Big Nog in their fight, so Cain still goes in front of Lesner? And where in gods name is Shane Carwin, 12 first round ko's or tko's and he is behind dos Santos, and Cain and Werdum?

Mir has nowhere near the amount of credibility Nog has IMO. Plus Nog had staph going into the fight.

Im sorry but I can not take you as being intelligent on mma matters after this post.

Says the guy who user MMAth.

For the record, my top 10
1.Lesner
2.Carwin
3.Velasquez
4.dos Santos
5.Werdum
6.Fedor
7.Overeem
8.Mir
9.Silva
10.Big Nog

I'm cool with this, apart from the top two, Werdum and Fedor's places and the lack of Barnett.

Since Werdum at #1 sounds controversial... GSP/Serra, BJ/Edgar.... why not Fedor/Werdum?

Sorry for going a bit off topic here, guys. Don't want to be B& in my first few posts!

I haven't got WMMA 2 yet (seriously), but when I get it, you can guarantee I will be pumping out fighter templates that have not been covered yet (from promotions such as Shooto, DEEP, AOW, etc.).

I think it would also be a fun idea to do templates for famous sportspeople (all estimatework, of course).

Wouldn't every update have to be passed to the ToS or MW owners in order to be published?

[DK2112]

Unless you manually typed out every single stat/attribute/detail for each fighter for everyone else to manually input into their database then I am fairly sure that would be the only way. Look forward to seeing the fighters you create Gomi, I think it would be fun if we all started doing that.

[thatguyclint]

Originally Posted by Gomi

Don't know how you do your rankings. I do mine on recent wins, not who I would actually put a bet on to win a fight (sounds strange, but that's how most people do their rankings).

Oh, ok, that's cool. I'm glad to see people do that, instead of the "Fedor's the best of all time, he's #1."

Originally Posted by Gomi

I'm cool with this, apart from the top two, Werdum and Fedor's places and the lack of Barnett.

Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah. Barnett? With his crushing victories over...who, exactly? Retired Yoshida? Over the hill Rizzo? Mighty Mo? Yeah, he's 5-1 since 2008, with the five wins over either cans or has beens, and a loss to...drug testing.

I might actually agree with Fedor around 6, though. He can't be ahead of Werdum, who can't be ahead of Dos Santos. Velasquez hasn't lost a round of competition, but he's not at all better than Carwin, and Lesnar has the belt. If Carwin wins, I'd put him #1, Cain #2, Lesnar #3, JdS #4, Werdum #5.

The only thing I'm seeing that I disagree with is Bigfoot at #9, but I'm not sure who I'd put there/#10, depending on how I'd rank them against Big Nog.

[SeanMcFly]

Originally Posted by Couture=Legend

First i don't think MMA Math works in any situation at all, Every fight is different. Also mate don't listen to the UFC hype machine telling you how Shane Carwin has wrecked everyone in the 1st round by (T)KO because well he hasn't, 5 of his wins are by submission.

But none of them have left the first round.

[TheBrockLock]

Originally Posted by Gomi

Says the guy who user MMAth.

Your telling me you never use MMath? So we just shouldnt look at common opponents anymore to determine who is the better fighter when 2 guys havent fought? MMath does not work in every situation, maybe not even in the majority of situations but that does not mean we should use it al all. According to you we should only look at their most recent fight and thats it?

Originally Posted by Gomi

Lesnar is 1-1 with Frank Mir, beat two cans, and has a win over a Light Heavyweight in his late fourties. Cain on the other hand, dominated a top 15 guy, then knocked out Nog who going into that fight had just dismantled Randy.

So what your saying is the Cain, who went to decision against Kongo, beat Rothwell in his actual UFC debut and beat Nog, who is a shell of what he used to be, is better then Lesnar, when Lesner dominated against Coture, who even at 40 is still a very solid fighter, and dominated Mir, is a better fighter then Lesnar.

Originally Posted by Gomi

Biggest wins over two inconsistent guys doesn't mean alot to me.

What about 12 straight first round wins, either by tko, ko, or submission due to strikes or a couple of gullitoines? And since when is Mir inconsistent? He lost to Lesnar followed up with a domianting fight against Nog, lost to Cariwn, followed it up with a dominating performance against Kongo, thats not onconsictent thats losing to great fighters and dominating other then that.

Originally Posted by Gomi

Mir has nowhere near the amount of credibility Nog has IMO. Plus Nog had staph going into the fight.

If that staph was that terrible that it effected his performance so much he should have pulled out.

Originally Posted by Gomi

I'm cool with this, apart from the top two, Werdum and Fedor's places and the lack of Barnett.

So your all about recent performance and Fedor just lost in 90 seconds, but he drops to just #2, makes sense... And Barnett? Really? Your serious? Josh hasent doesnt anything in about 5 years to make him even close to worthy of being in a top 10 spot. You say to be the best you have to beat the best, well when was the last time Barnett fought a top 10 guy, much less beat a top 10 guy? Dont worry Ill answer for you, it was December 31st 2006 when he lost to Nog.