Hey Kev, question for you.

[cappyboy]

Not that I didn't like your take on the respect issue as a followup on the chat with Sting. It is a natural next step after Sting reminds you of your professional mortality. Even if he phrase the remind awkwardly. And I loved the Harley Race story.

But there's a problem with your premise. Comparing how you treated Harley with how the young guys treat you isn't just a matter do the young guys know and/or care about classic respect. How much did the veterans around them before they arrived in TNA care about it?

In your own story, you'd been with Jody Hamilton who drilled that respect into you before the Race encounter. The veterans you encountered as a rookie were of an age where they wanted and craved that respect. Today's rookies don't always grow up with that. Some of them will have met with authority figures who weren't as strong about it. Who balked or in extreme cases were even OFFENDED by traditional honorifics like "Sir". I know this because I've been there. When I worked as staff at the Christian school I graduated from, I couldn't bear being called "Sir" or "Mister". That was my father. Not me. So since we were in a church setting, I had the kids address me as the more religious "Brother". And "Brother" became so ingrained in me both as both address and being addressed, it still sometimes carries over into my secular life. So before getting all grouchy you need to know the way they were taught to respect. It isn't always as regimented as the method Hamliton and Race taught you any more.

Do I doubt some of the rooks are just disrespectful punks? Not at all. There's always that element in the young. It's the nature of the beast. Most folks sense of perspective begins with the day they were born. But look at what and how they were taught about respect. If they weren't taught the way you were, how can you really expect them to treat you the way you did Harley Race?

[masterded]

You damn right you expect the same respect you where shown. I had an issue with one of my cousins kids recently. He was being disrespectful to everyone and so on (he is 13). He acted in a way that when I was that age (which was only 9 years ago) was not something I would even think of acting. Is it his fault that he is how he is? No. His parents weren’t like mine. When he was 6 and his parents said they would turn the car around and stuff like that it was a hallow threat. When my father said it he followed through if you didn't do what he demanded.

Now I understand that he wasn't taught how to be a decent person but I don't give him a free pass on it. Instead I do what was done with me when I acted like him (followed through on my threats). Just because someone failed to teach him right doesn’t mean he should get a free pass. Instead they better learn quick. Especially when it is something as easy as respecting your elders. I don’t care if it is a bus or a bar if an elder comes in you sit up and give them the seat. Heck I have even told off other people for not getting up, usually a bunch of disrespectful jackasses who won‘t even stand up to let the people coming from the VA sit.

[cappyboy]

Dude, it reads like we're at cross-purposes here. I'm not in any way suggesting anybody gets a free pass.

Take the Sir thing for example. Let's say you come to work with me. You walk up to me and you're all "Excuse me, Mr. Cappy Sir". I tell you there's no need to be so formal and you can just call me Cappy. If you then continue to call me Mr and Sir against my wishes, isn't that in itself disrespectful? The way I was taught about respect you might as walk up to me and say "Hey Jerkface" if you're not going to address me in the informal way you know I'm more comfortable with in that situation.

And the chair thing. If I'm on the bus or at a bar or wherever and someone older comes in who's clearly winded or has limited mobility, will I surrender the chair? Absolutely. It's the right thing to do. But if they walk by and appear perfectly happy going about their business and sitting further away, am I going to give up the seat? Probably not. If sitting further away isn't an issue for them, I'm not going to push it just because of their age.

So my question stands. Nash is expecting things just so and doesn't seem to want to bother communicating that fact. He just expects it by osmosis. If he asks for the chair and they give him lip, he's got something to complain about. If he walks up, they give it to him when he's done without complaint and never knew they were violating his concept of respect by keeping it, not so much. Respect is one thing. Formality is another. It sounds to me like he has the two confused at times.

[masterded]

Originally Posted by cappyboy

Dude, it reads like we're at cross-purposes here. I'm not in any way suggesting anybody gets a free pass.

Take the Sir thing for example. Let's say you come to work with me. You walk up to me and you're all "Excuse me, Mr. Cappy Sir". I tell you there's no need to be so formal and you can just call me Cappy. If you then continue to call me Mr and Sir against my wishes, isn't that in itself disrespectful? The way I was taught about respect you might as walk up to me and say "Hey Jerkface" if you're not going to address me in the informal way you know I'm more comfortable with in that situation.

And the chair thing. If I'm on the bus or at a bar or wherever and someone older comes in who's clearly winded or has limited mobility, will I surrender the chair? Absolutely. It's the right thing to do. But if they walk by and appear perfectly happy going about their business and sitting further away, am I going to give up the seat? Probably not. If sitting further away isn't an issue for them, I'm not going to push it just because of their age.

So my question stands. Nash is expecting things just so and doesn't seem to want to bother communicating that fact. He just expects it by osmosis. If he asks for the chair and they give him lip, he's got something to complain about. If he walks up, they give it to him when he's done without complaint and never knew they were violating his concept of respect by keeping it, not so much. Respect is one thing. Formality is another. It sounds to me like he has the two confused at times.

It isn't what the person is trying to do. It is how the person interprets one actions or lack their of. Look at when the WCW people came to WWF. People didn't know (not counting former WWE employees) that you didn't take off until the show was done and that the first thing you did was shake everyone’s hands (watch some shoots on youtube and you will see it is a common thing not just something I am making up). Now odds are no one didn't do it because they wanted to disrespect the WWF employees, but the WWF employees still felt disrespected.

So sure it may be they don't know better thing, but add it with past things that happen in TNA and it could be easy to see how it could eat at people. Best example would be Joes shoot on Hall and all the old guys not moving on.

About a past topic hay dj I think I might have been right about the whole respect thing I posted a bit ago.

[cappyboy]

Originally Posted by masterded

It isn't what the person is trying to do. It is how the person interprets one actions or lack their of. Look at when the WCW people came to WWF. People didn't know (not counting former WWE employees) that you didn't take off until the show was done and that the first thing you did was shake everyone’s hands (watch some shoots on youtube and you will see it is a common thing not just something I am making up). Now odds are no one didn't do it because they wanted to disrespect the WWF employees, but the WWF employees still felt disrespected.

So sure it may be they don't know better thing, but add it with past things that happen in TNA and it could be easy to see how it could eat at people. Best example would be Joes shoot on Hall and all the old guys not moving on.

About a past topic hay dj I think I might have been right about the whole respect thing I posted a bit ago.

Yeah well I don't follow all the shoot stuff. Part of me is tempted at times and other times I find it just as well I don't know. This post is meant more as an in-character reaction. Because when it's on my TV screen, I take it as just character stuff unless it's made glaringly obvious. And I missed any part of TNA that would have involved Joe having a chance to interact with Scott Hall.

[masterded]

Originally Posted by cappyboy

Yeah well I don't follow all the shoot stuff. Part of me is tempted at times and other times I find it just as well I don't know. This post is meant more as an in-character reaction. Because when it's on my TV screen, I take it as just character stuff unless it's made glaringly obvious. And I missed any part of TNA that would have involved Joe having a chance to interact with Scott Hall.

Hall no shows PPV Joe is told to go out there and tell the people that instead of hall they are getting EY. He goes on for a good 5 min's or so about the old guys not getting out off the young guys. Before the match starts. Nash looked pissed. (fake or real who knows, but I would bet Nash brings it up after he turns on Joe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCWh4...eature=related

[cappyboy]

Originally Posted by masterded

Hall no shows PPV Joe is told to go out there and tell the people that instead of hall they are getting EY. He goes on for a good 5 min's or so about the old guys not getting out off the young guys. Before the match starts. Nash looked pissed. (fake or real who knows, but I would bet Nash brings it up after he turns on Joe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCWh4...eature=related

Now this is what I'm talking about when I say glaringly obvious. This is an example of the veil being ripped. This Nash clearly has cause to be tweaked about. Both in and out of character as long as he and Hall have been tight. And this really makes me wonder how much more I want to see from Joe. Dude has all the talent in the world and a pretty valid point where Hall goes. But had this fan been in that crowd or watching that live he would have lost me. This is the kind of drama I skip the shoot stuff to try and avoid. Way to maintain the illusion, Joe.

[jagilki]

I'm lost....