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Unread 10-16-2008, 05:29 PM
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I'm curious how he's viewed looking back. Some of my friends and I were talking about him and they really ran him down. Another guy on the internet bashed WCW for ever pushing him.

When I was watching his push, it never seemed wrong to me. He got over with the fans very easily and was a good worker. Why does he get so much heat? I know he was Easy E's boy and all, but do people feel like he didn't deserve to be pushed and should have been a jobber or something?
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Unread 10-16-2008, 05:34 PM
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I think the problem was that he was in his 40s when he was getting his push, at a time when the likes of Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio and co (late 20s/early 30s), all of whom were superior workers with a greater upside were stuck in the midcard. His ascension was sort of seen as proof that you could crack the glass ceiling - with the right connections.

Too, apart from Goldberg, DDP was pretty much the sole WCW success story of the 90s - the one main event worker built from nothing within the company. Considering that in the same time WWF produced HHH, Rock, Austin, Michaels, Goldust, the Harts... DDP was seen as a bit of a slap in the face.

Simply put, fans tend to see DDP as a guy who deserved success in the business - he was by no means a bad worker when he made it to the top - but not at the expense of a lot of other workers in the company.
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I think the problem was that he was in his 40s when he was getting his push, at a time when the likes of Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio and co (late 20s/early 30s), all of whom were superior workers with a greater upside were stuck in the midcard. His ascension was sort of seen as proof that you could crack the glass ceiling - with the right connections.

Too, apart from Goldberg, DDP was pretty much the sole WCW success story of the 90s - the one main event worker built from nothing within the company. Considering that in the same time WWF produced HHH, Rock, Austin, Michaels, Goldust, the Harts... DDP was seen as a bit of a slap in the face.

Simply put, fans tend to see DDP as a guy who deserved success in the business - he was by no means a bad worker when he made it to the top - but not at the expense of a lot of other workers in the company.
But why does he get that blame? He was still working at a great level at the time because his body hadn't taken that abuse. He was great on the mic and had a great connection. I get your point about the younger guys not busting through when he was, but that was because of guys like Hogan, Nash, Savage, etc. sitting at the top of the card and not wanting to give up their spots. Page had no problem working with guys like Benoit and did a hell of a job getting him over in early 98. He also worked a great program with Raven that got Raven over big in WCW.
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I was actually always a fan of DDP - but he was emblematic of the problems that WCW was going through with regard to the promotion of talent and the creation of superstars.

It was a bit like "If the best WCW has to offer is DDP, then..."
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Aw man dude... I could slap you. When ever I see threads that just have a wrestler's name in it, they're usually dead. You scared the hell out of me!

I always thought DDP was great growing up... he ran the mic better than anyone minus Flair and Arn in WCW, and the second he dropped Hall with the Diamond Cutter he became a top tier player.

Sure, he was Bischoff's buddy... but only the blindest marks will tell you he didn't earn his keep. When WCW called him "the hardest working man in WCW" they weren't blowing smoke up his butt... he literally DID study all his matches, watch other worker's matches constantly and ask everyone what he could do to make himself better.

If you've ever read Flair's book.... he bashes DDP to no end. And why? I couldn't tell you to be honest with you, I think it's because DDP is Eric's buddy and Flair detests Bischoff like a Catholic walking into a satanic cult. But contrary to Ric's opinion (read his stuff on Bret, too & how much he kisses HBK and HHH's ass and it's no wonder he feels that way) I always thought Page was one of the more superior workers in WCW, possibly the top 5 of all time. I mean come on folks..... DDP had a classic with Goldberg. Freakin.... Goldberg.

And any wrestler in the Indies can tell ya.... flash a Diamond Cutter sign at the crowd, they'll pop instantly. They also didn't call the Cutter the "Finisher of the 90s" for no reason either.
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HHH, Rock, Austin, Michaels, Goldust, the Harts...
One of these things is not like the other...</sing>
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During the whole Monday Night Wars, I was firmly WWF, but I always had a softspot for DDP when I turned over to Nitro or Thunder.

He was just pure charisma.
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During the whole Monday Night Wars, I was firmly WWF, but I always had a softspot for DDP when I turned over to Nitro or Thunder.

He was just pure charisma.
I agree with this sentiment. DDP was DDP, and there hasn't been very many workers like him.
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I agree with this sentiment. DDP was DDP, and there hasn't been very many workers like him.
Plus.

He made a watchable match out of a match that contained basketball players.

And was the main heel in Ready To Rumble.

I swear, if DDP wasn't 40+, he could've become the Roddy Piper of the 90's (I mean in terms of movie star).
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I was thinking the same thing, how did Austin make the list???
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I always thought he was great. His feud with Raven was a classic. I remember him giving everyone in the Flock/Nest the Diamond Cutter, all in a different way in succession (I think someone had thrown Kidman up in the air, reversed something Reese did). And the fact that he got over in WWE with "It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing" was pretty awesome.
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I always loved DDP. I do have to make a confession though. The first person I was a mark of was none other than THE Disco Inferno.
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My best mates favourite wrestler ever, that's something really as the bloke does know his wrestling.

For me i like DDP but i always thought his finisher was more over then him. Still you check out some of his matches and he has good basics and fluidity. Saying he was over in WWE may be a stretch to far though, although not his fault at all.

I read his book, its interesting as there's a load of stuff about working the bar business at the beach and loads on his self promotion. It strangely tails off at the end though, and at one point he turns into Arn Anderson and kayfabes his first match with Goldberg.

Why do wrestling fans hate on DDP? Cos a lot of wrestling fans are idiots.
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So it isn't just me who thinks well of him. I just don't get it. I think a lot of the negative wrap on him is the look to be honest. He looks hickish/trailer trash whatever, and I think that bothers people who don't want to think of wrestling in that way.
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Unread 10-16-2008, 10:17 PM
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DDP was Team WCW! when everyone else seemed to join the nWo or leave then rejoin a week later. Besides Goldberg, DDP was the only real Mainevent Face they had, He made the company a Sh*t load of money and brought in Buyrates when Headlining WCW's PPVs and Ratings when fueding with the Likes of Hogan ect. he was good business of WCW

They use to call him the "Peoples Champion" before the Rock become one!

I was not happy with how the WWE treated him when he came over. He should of been maineventing insted of being made out like a lowercard jobber
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