Too many fights end in a draw?

[Steviec2k8]

I don't think this goes in the tech support thread, as it doesn't pertain to a bug. But if it does, feel free to move it.

Anyway, I'm currently in January of 2001, and I've noticed that an abnormal amount of my fights are ending via draws. In fact, I usually have atleast one per show. It's also not uncommon for me to have two. However, on two occasions, I have had three draws on a show.

I'm using the PRIDE round system of 10-5-5, if it matters.

Has anybody else had this problem? I'd like to see this fixed in future updates.

[mickel]

Can't say I've noticed this myself. In all the time I've played I've only seen one fight end in a draw, and that was in the demo.

[grits207]

Thats strange. I don't think I have even seen one draw yet. Maybe you are just having really really bad luck?

[samuricex]

Did you set the rules to auto draw or judge's decision?

[OutlawIII]

It might just be the nature of your fighters, like maybe they're all too close in skill level with each other, or at least maybe there's too much defensive skill and not enough offensive skill to overcome it.

That seems to be the deciding factor in match results to me: if you have people who can't defend, they tend to lose quickly before it even goes to decision, but if you have 2 great defensive fighters, it'll go the distance, then it's just a question of whether either could really distinguish themselves during the fight. If not? Draw.

Then again, it may just be an odd streak of results, where this particular batch of fights has had an unusual number of draws. However, if you find there are continuously too many draws for your liking, I'd consider rule changes to make offense more potent. It would increase early finishes and generally allow fighters' offense to shine through more in case it does go to a decision.

[Deathwing416]

I've actually had the same two fighters fight to a draw two fights in a row. Even with a change in round limits they still did.

[grits207]

Originally Posted by grits207

Thats strange. I don't think I have even seen one draw yet. Maybe you are just having really really bad luck?

Actually, looking back at some old events there have been an odd amount of draws in ALPHA-1, while there is yet to be a draw in my promotion (GAMMA).

[Steviec2k8]

Originally Posted by samuricex

Did you set the rules to auto draw or judge's decision?

It's set to judge's decision.

[Lucien Sanchez]

Originally Posted by grits207

Actually, looking back at some old events there have been an odd amount of draws in ALPHA-1, while there is yet to be a draw in my promotion (GAMMA).

I'm not 100% familiar with the Cornellverse, but doesnt GAMMA have restarts if there's no activity, whereas ALPHA-1 just lets it stay on the ground? If so then I'd say that's as good a reason as any why they have much more draws.

[Adam Ryland]

Originally Posted by Lucien Sanchez

I'm not 100% familiar with the Cornellverse, but doesnt GAMMA have restarts if there's no activity, whereas ALPHA-1 just lets it stay on the ground? If so then I'd say that's as good a reason as any why they have much more draws.

It's because of the round structures.

GAMMA have 3x5 and 5x5 rounds, meaning an odd number of rounds and therefore less of a chance of a draw.

Non-title fights (and therefore, by definition, most fights overall) in ALPHA-1 are 10-5-5, but as the judge's do the entire fight rather than round by round, they'll consider the first round to be worth double the others, essentially making it an even number of rounds. An even number of rounds obviously makes draws far more likely.

[Blackman]

I've only seen little draws so far, and that's nearly a year into the game.

Maybe you're using WEFF (the women's promotion). They have 4 rounds for some reason, meaning that some fights are destined to be drawed.

[Steviec2k8]

Originally Posted by Adam Ryland

It's because of the round structures.

GAMMA have 3x5 and 5x5 rounds, meaning an odd number of rounds and therefore less of a chance of a draw.

Non-title fights (and therefore, by definition, most fights overall) in ALPHA-1 are 10-5-5, but as the judge's do the entire fight rather than round by round, they'll consider the first round to be worth double the others, essentially making it an even number of rounds. An even number of rounds obviously makes draws far more likely.

I actually figured the first round was being counted as two... However, I'd really like for you to consider tweaking the engine to prevent so many draws. I mean, it's frustrating when I'm trying to run the first round of a sixteen fighter Grand Prix, and three of my GP fights end in draws.

[Adam Ryland]

Originally Posted by Steviec2k8

I actually figured the first round was being counted as two... However, I'd really like for you to consider tweaking the engine to prevent so many draws. I mean, it's frustrating when I'm trying to run the first round of a sixteen fighter Grand Prix, and three of my GP fights end in draws.

You seem to be proposing an artificial change, which I'd be strongly against. If the rounds are set up in a way that promotes an even number of rounds (or rather, the scoring of an even number of rounds), then draws are likely to happen because that's the logical conclusion of fights between evenly matched fighters. The game engine is therefore doing its job correctly. When using an odd-number of rounds, there are far less draws, so it's working correctly there too.

[Hawk1665]

...But how is it the "natural conclusion" when you never see draws in any promotion that actually uses the 10-5-5 system?

[syndicate]

alpha-1 should score the fight not by rounds, but overall