Stealing talent a bit too easy?

[Deattribution]

I'm not sure whether this is something that needs to be looked into or not, but it seems that talent can be stolen from other promotions (particularly higher promotions) too easy. This is all with the latest patch from today (#3)

One example would be in my game I just signed Adam White from GAMMA. He's 7-0, 80% high regional pop in America, he fought twice for GAMMA, winning both by definitive finish (tko and sub) and both matches were rated high in quality. Yet, despite all that, they would not pay more than 3k per fight for him? They were paying him 1015 with +2.5 performance, and I was able to sign him for the same terms, just 3000 base pay instead. You'd think two quality victories would make the guy worth a decent raise.

This issue seems to arise with a lot when stealing fighters, the computer will occasionally make one counter offer but just a $200 raise will back them out.

Anyone else noticing this? I'm still a low level promotion, so maybe it gets better once the contracts involve more money but as it stands, it's too easy to snag quality talent to build yourself up. Talent that the cpu promotions should be building around.

[Deattribution]

Just to give another example -

Linfield Ballard, #8 Light Heavyweight in the world. 1-1 in his last two fights, winning his last fight, 93% regional America, and GAMMA would not increase his pay from 2562 to 3000. So I got him for 3000, 75% win bonus (opposed to 50% he was getting) and a %10+/- performance with 5 matches guaranteed out of 7.

Not a huge increase, if he gets every single possible bonus in his next fight (which isn't possible) he'd still only make $7200. I could see the guaranteed fights maybe being a snag, but at +/- 10% if he goes on a 5 fight winning streak, I'm still paying him less than 10k and he's a potential headliner for me.

[Franchise22]

if you are low level and you play "legit" (meaning no editor help when things get tight) youll find that you will run out of money really fast stealing top level talent and overpaying for them.

[grits207]

For the most part I don't think it is too easy. I am using GAMMA and have lots of money but there have been a fair number of quality fighters that I haven't been able to steal dispite them being available. Most recently I screwed up trying to sign Li-Kong Ho. I wanted him extremely bad but I wasn't able to get a deal done in time.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Franchise22

if you are low level and you play "legit" (meaning no editor help when things get tight) youll find that you will run out of money really fast stealing top level talent and overpaying for them.

I wanted to play a little bit further before commenting on this. I'm not seeing money be an issue with this, I'm just starting to make small profit and about to break into national. Most guys I was already paying $1800 to $2000 before bonuses anyway who were awful talent, so why not pay $3000 for guys I can steal who are stud fighters with lots of potential?

I just signed Aleksander Ivanov from Sigma, and he's arguably the most talented guy on my roster now, and I stole him from them for only 3k per fight 57% win bonus, and 7.5 +/- performance. I got him for 8 fights at that price. GAMMA and Alpha-1 didn't even attempt to offer him a contract either.

I'm assuming the fighter's value is heavily leveraged by his popularity, but that makes it a little more puzzling when you consider that makes Aleksander Ivanov 2x as more important to Sigma's roster since he's one of their biggest names at just a tad below national in Europe, yet they wouldn't pay him 3k a fight?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the system is completely broken - I just think they should be a little more aggressive in keeping up and coming talent. At the very least, they should be making me consider whether he's worth it at that price, rather than him being a steal.

[Gabriel]

I don't know if this is something I really want to complain about... but I'm using real world data, and guys are being snatched up from the UFC left, right and center.

I don't think it should be a matter of money though. I mean, lesser promotions come calling all of the time offering ridiculous amounts of money. I would feel like the game were more realistic if say, guys were more apt to stay with a larger promotion for less money, than sign with a smaller promotion for more.

Of course, that also brings up the issue of a gamer who's the number one promotion in the game world. At that point, it would be damn near impossible for him to lose fighters that he didn't want to let go... so it's really a hard thing to judge.

[Deattribution]

I think the size of the promotion should have *some* impact, for instance, fighters signing with me currently have no chance of PPV bonus, plus I have to run smaller cards currently but on the flip side of that, I do like that this years version doesn't feel as linear with guys leaving as soon as they 'got too big' for your promotion and most talent feelings unavailable til you went up a level. I still have been turned down outright by some fighters, but I've felt like I can compete if I'm willing to spend (which is the way I think it should be), I just don't feel I have to compete much, or spend much to get the guys.

[grits207]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

I don't think it should be a matter of money though. I mean, lesser promotions come calling all of the time offering ridiculous amounts of money. I would feel like the game were more realistic if say, guys were more apt to stay with a larger promotion for less money, than sign with a smaller promotion for more.

Of course, that also brings up the issue of a gamer who's the number one promotion in the game world. At that point, it would be damn near impossible for him to lose fighters that he didn't want to let go... so it's really a hard thing to judge.

Maybe it would work if a fighter wouldn't, for example, leave a High National ranked company for a Mid Regional company unless the Mid Regional company was offering significantly more. But, if two companies of the same (or close to the same) status were trying to sign a fighter the fighter would simply go to the highest bidder.

This way it would make it so you could steal fighters from the #1 promotion, but you would have to either catch up to them or you would have to ridiculously overpay the fighter.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by grits207

Maybe it would work if a fighter wouldn't, for example, leave a High National ranked company for a Mid Regional company unless the Mid Regional company was offering significantly more. But, if two companies of the same (or close to the same) status were trying to sign a fighter the fighter would simply go to the highest bidder.

This way it would make it so you could steal fighters from the #1 promotion, but you would have to either catch up to them or you would have to ridiculously overpay the fighter.

I've not seen this problem, but if it exists in the way described above this would be a very good solution

[poz17]

i have very big problem when i go to negotiate with fighets(also with unemployed fighters), because they ask me a lot of money(also low regional level names), for exemples if i am using SIGMA, a low level wrestler ask me more than my top figheter and this is unbelievable.

does anyone find this problem?

[Derek B]

As with WMMA1, fighters will expect to be paid as much as someone else of a similar level in your company. So if you have someone with a lew reputation getting paid a lot of money then people lower down your pecking order are going to start expecting to get paid more too. One of the keys to long term success is balancing your finances right, which means letting go of people who you are now paying too much money for.

In the early years of a game this won't be too noticable as most people will be growing and so their fighters will be generally growing with them. But after a few years as top names start to fall in reputation and value, keeping them around and overpaying them will have a huge domino effect down the rest of your roster and cost you millions. With finances being better balanced this time around, some players will probably end up pushing themselves into a bad spot by not letting go of the overpaid deadweight.

[mickel]

I'd say it probably works both ways. I've stolen some pretty good fighters, but I've also lost Mike Watson and James Foster (who had the title at the time).