More work on the contracts

[Afroduck]

Hey I like some of the new editions in the contracts but two things that really annoy me are.One I hate how when you are competing for a contract all the other stuff doesn't matter you just have to go a little above the base pay.I was messing around the other day and gave this guy 100 percent on everything plus a 1,000,000 signing bonus but because the money was the same Gamma aparently offered them a better contract.Two I kinda hate how late in the game there is so many big contracts.Right now I am in 2007 and I have like 34 guys making over 100,000 dollars and I could have had more but I decided to let them go.I just seen WVTC sign Charles Stiles and Ken Peters to both a 140,000 dollar contracts when I went and looked they only had 600,000 dollars left in their company.I don't like to complain,but even as far as the contracts have come along from the first game I believe there is still some work to be done.Thank you though for all your hard work

[ACCBiggz]

I'll make my complaint in here which is different but falls in the same category without starting a new thread:

I just lost Lyoto Machida in my UFC game. I'd be fine if it wasn't so sudden. After I offered him the contract the first time he was happy with base pay and only wanted more guaranteed matches, higher win bonus, and medical. The second contract I offered I moved base pay up 25,000 to 525k, Moved Main Event bonus up 20%, adjusted title defense 20%, moved medical up 30%, and moved signing bonus up one. When I hit send offer he immediatly broke off negotiations with me and signed with DREAM for 525,000.

After watching that happened, and I only offered him the two times. The first initial offer to see what needed adjusting after I made my first legit offer, and then adjusted to what would have been more than what he was asking for anyway, and just like that he signed with DREAM. At least in the longer negotiations after you offer X amount it'll pop up "DREAM has a better offer" and give you another chance... but I think the system needs a little more tweaking to take in to account the incentives that I boosted up which again, I even boosted base pay which he was fine with and somehow DREAM steals him away that quickly with, virtually, no warning. Especially considering his personality leans toward loyalty so you'd think he'd have even given me more time with that considering it wasn't an insulting offer. Because had I low-balled him I could see his frustration.

[weidt]

I agree Contracts need to be improved. During negotiations with other promotions I simply need to increase the base pay to secure the fighter. It seems like the other contract options are more filler than purposeful.

I would like, when engaged in contract extensions, the negotiations to begin with the fighter's current contract details. I mean, it begins tedious to go through and change each element of a contract each time, when it could just show his current contract as the base from which you negotiate his extension. It already does this for base pay, so why not the rest?

[Dynasty887]

Originally Posted by weidt

I agree Contracts need to be improved. During negotiations with other promotions I simply need to increase the base pay to secure the fighter. It seems like the other contract options are more filler than purposeful.

I would like, when engaged in contract extensions, the negotiations to begin with the fighter's current contract details. I mean, it begins tedious to go through and change each element of a contract each time, when it could just show his current contract as the base from which you negotiate his extension. It already does this for base pay, so why not the rest?

the second the guy signs with the other company when he is all mad at yours with your offer or runs out of patience, just close the program without advancing boom, new negotiations :O... kinda cheap to do tho.

[Caspel]

I wish there was a more "free agent market" type of system thrown into the mix. What I mean by this is to view who's getting offers and by who, which organizations are interested in who, who isn't going to be resigned and wants out of their current organization, who would like to "step up to face better competition", etc. I wish the general manager portion had more emphasis to give the fighters more "real life" feel where they think and react on their own, rather than inorganically.

[Franchise22]

Originally Posted by Dynasty887

the second the guy signs with the other company when he is all mad at yours with your offer or runs out of patience, just close the program without advancing boom, new negotiations :O... kinda cheap to do tho.

or just turn auto save off, save manually. that way you can reload if your unhappy. another cheap tactic.....not as fun tho.

[Gabriel]

Different issue, but still contracts.

Let's say a fighter loses three in a row, so I release him... he picks up a win or two away from my promotion, and I want to bring him back... but he won't come back yet, even though he's got absolutely nothing going, and hasn't had anything going for at least three months since his last fight.

I think, guys with no ties whatsoever, should jump at the chance to get a contract if one is offered.

[majesty95]

Originally Posted by Franchise22

or just turn auto save off, save manually. that way you can reload if your unhappy. another cheap tactic.....not as fun tho.

That's a workaround but not a fix to the actual issue.

I've seen this alot too. I try to offer higher main event and title defense bonuses but base pay is all that matters. I would definitely like to see all of the sliders taken into account.

[Gabriel]

All of the sliders ARE taken into account though.

I'm making offers to guys like Biggz has, good offers first to see what else they want, and then upping all of those things as well... but main event guys are too quick to just leave.

The only way to get around it, other than not saving and going back to do it again... is to just max out everything on the second offer... and that's just a little bit ridiculous.

I lost Rashad Evans. Only discrepency was Title Bonuses, all of which I put at 75%, and he walked on me. I even upped his base pay by four notches, even though he didn't ask for it.

So, everything IS taken into account... but main guys are far too quick to just leave... especially since there are no real competing promotions out there to go to.



EDIT: Just another issue I have with contracts, is that it is far too easy for promotions to sign guys to Exclusive Deals. Only the biggest promotions do it in real life, but in the game, bottom of the barrell promotions are signing guys to exclusive deals. I'd just like to see that fixed so that playing as a smaller company mirrors real life a little bit more in the sharing of workers.

[Kayo]

I've had another important issue with contract. I often book tournaments, but sometimes a fighter has 2-3 matches left on his contract and becomes a free agent once the tournament is over. Trying to renew his contract while he's having 2 matches left doesn't work. I hope there would be a way to fix this too since I either have to take them out of the tournament or lose them as free agents after the show.

[andyemmy]

I completely agree with this thread contracts do need alot more work, there seems no point in having all of the extra contract options if they dont really make a difference. Also hate it when fighters have a paddy for little to no reason and cancel negotiations.

After you let someone go for losing lots or get failed negotiations with them they should not refuse to talk to you for as long as they do this makes it very irritating.

[AlexB]

Had a thought about tournaments and contracts... How about considering each tournament to be one fight contractually?

In effect this would make the number of fights the number of events the fighter signs for...

I really want to play an almost completely tournament based career, but after starting up realised after a year of game time that it just doesn't work with the current set-up because of two factors - regulated areas and contracts.

I can work around the former (just set up in an unregulated area) but there is simply no way that I can get round the latter unless I sign everyone to Associate contracts, which would be a nightmare as far as the game goes, or something like the above were implemented.

Another idea that would help me in this game mode would be that if an exclusive fighter has two fights left (which means that I can't either either enter him into a 8-man tourney or renegotiate) or three fights left (which means that he could become a FA if he reaches the final) then the game allows you to enter the fighter into the tournament, pays him the going rate for however many fights he has left, but allows you to renegotiate afterwards - if you come to no agreement, then he is gone, but at least you have a chance.

[Afroduck]

I have been thinking about a few things and the one I would most like to see is negotiations starting when there is no contracted fights left.You look at real life and how many times has someone got a new contract with a fight still left on their old one,not very often.I really would like it if you were allowed like one meeting to try and come to terms with a new contract and if not then he would be gone.I think that this could also help out tournaments some too

[ACCBiggz]

You look at real life and how many times has someone got a new contract with a fight still left on their old one,not very often.

Wrong. Happens all the time.

[AlexB]

I agree actually with ACC Biggz, there are lots of examples - in fact I'd almost say I'd expect it to be the norm.

However, there are other areas within the game that are not true to life for gameplay reasons, I would hope that a bit of flexibility with how contracts and tournaments work together (and only in this instance) might be another area where realism were bent slightly to improve the flow of the game