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![]() 2003 Recap Quote:
Championships WCW World Heavyweight Championships Sting (4) won December 2002 lost June 2003 Sean O'Haire (2) won June 2003 WCW United States Championship Mark Jindrak (1) won December 2002 lost April 2003 Raven (2) won April 2003 lost May 2003 Mike Awesome (1) won May 2003 lost August 2003 Lance Storm (5) won August 2003 lost September 2003 Mike Awesome (2) won September 2003 - lost December 2003 Raven (3) - won December 2003 WCW World Tag Team Championships Slow Burn (1) won December 2002 lost May 2003 Pure Southern Pride (2) won May 2003 June 2003 Kanyon & Jindrak (1) won June 2003 lost August 2003 Pure Southern Pride (3) won August 2003 lost December 2003 Wild II - Takeshi Morishima & Takeshi Rikio (1) won December 2003 WCW World Television Championship Adam Pearce (1) won December 2002 lost July 2003 Hugh Morrus (3) won July 2003 lost September 2003 Johnny Hate (1) won September 2003 lost October 2003 Chris Harris (1) won October 2003 lost December 2003 Christopher Daniels (1) won December 2003 WCW Cruiserweight Championship AJ Styles (1) won December 2002 lost July 2003 Jamie Noble (1) won July 2003 lost September 2003 AJ Styles (2) won September 2003 lost October 2003 Low Ki (1) won October 2003 WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championships Team Widow-Maker (1) Bryan Danielson & Low Ki won May 2003 lost November 2003 Kidman & Helms (1) won November 2003 W1 Tournaments Jushin Lyger d. AJ Styles W2 Global Tandem Tag League Pure Southern Pride d. Sasaki & Hashimoto WCW Awards Wrestler of the Year: Sean O'Haire Cruiserweight of the Year: AJ Styles Rookie of the Year: Adam Pearce Tag Team of the Year: Pure Southern Pride Match of the Year: Jushin Lyger vs AJ Styles at Spring Stampede Last edited by Bigpapa42 : 02-04-2012 at 12:04 PM. |
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Since I'm feeling loquacious, a few notes...
-I'm a touch worried about continuity. Not continuity between the old project and this but rather between the recap narrative and the titles information at the bottom. Please let me know if you spot something that seems incorrect - it may need correction or simply explanation. The issue is that my original intent was not to bother with the full title sequences, but I changed my mind. It turned out to be more time-consuming than I expected, especially consider I wasn't booking all the switches. -I expect some will not see Kanyon as a legit main eventer for WCW. Which is fine - that's kinda the intent. He's not ideal, certainly, but simply at least adequate in all areas and that's why he works as a main eventer in a time of need for the promotion. At least in my opinion.. -essentially, the second half of 2003 is a bit bland. Not boring, I don't think, but you might not be able to see why I was hesitant to continue with the monthly recaps through the period. Sean O'Haire would have still be fun to book... though he had been a central focus for the six months prior. The rise of Kanyon and the messy W2 tournament would have also been interesting. But I just don't think it would have been that engaging, either to write or to read. Without making significant changes to my plans, I believe I would burned out and probably given up on the project entire if I kept pushing the remainder of 2003 with monthly recaps. |
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Well I assume that the world title dates are typos (2003 not 2004) , but other then that nothing caught my eye continuity wise.
Also its awesome to see this up and running again. Can't wait to see what you do with 2004. |
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Thanks Kris. Hope you enjoy. Also, I've meant for awhile to throw some credit toward ajcrible, who gave me the idea for the tweener version of Steiner. |
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Lol, I know where to come for updates, first now. XD
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Glad to have you on-board and reading.
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![]() 2004 Recap Quote:
Championships WCW World Heavyweight Championships Sean O'Haire (2) won June 2003 lost February 2004 Kanyon (1) won February 2004 lost March 2004 Diamond Dallas Page (4) won March 2004 lost April 2004 Booker T (5) won April 2004 lost June 2004 Raven (1) won June 2004 lost July 2004 Shinya Hashimoto (1) won July 2004 lost December 2004 Kanyon (2) won December 2004 WCW United States Championship Raven (3) won December 2003 lost March 2004 Colt Cabana (1) won March 2004 lost June 2004 Shane Douglas (3) won June 2004 lost June 2004 Mark Jindrak (2) won June 2004 lost July 2004 D'Lo Brown (1) won July 2004 lost August 2004 James Storm (1) won August 2004 lost October 2004 Christopher Daniels (1) won October 2004 lost November 2004 AJ Styles (1) won November 2004 lost December 2004 Christopher Daniels (2) won December 2004 WCW World Tag Team Championships Wild II (1) won December 2003 lost April 2004 D'Lo & DDP (1) won April 2004 lost June 2004 Morrus & Hate (1) won June 2004 lost August 2004 Jindrak & Douglas (1) won September 2004 lost December 2004 Slow Burn Dream Team (1) won December 2004 WCW World Television Championship Christopher Daniels (1) won December 2003 lost March 2004 Chris Harris (2) won March 2004 lost April 2004 Christopher Daniels (2) won April 2004 lost June 2004 D'Lo Brown (1) won June 2004 lost July 2004 Bryan Danielson (1) won July 2004 lost August 2004 Doug Williams (1) won August 2004 lost September 2004 BJ Whitmer (1) won September 2004 November 2004 Johnny Hate (1) won November 2004 lost December 2004 Billy Kidman (1) won December 2004 WCW Cruiserweight Championship Low Ki (1) won October 2003 lost January 2004 Bryan Danielson (1) won January 2004 lost March 2004 Jamie Noble (2) won March 2004 lost July 2004 Kaz Hyashi (1) won July 2004 lost August 2004 Sterling James Keenan (1) won August 2004 lost September 2004 Hirooki Goto (1) won September 2004 lost November 2004 Austin Aries (1) won November 2004 WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championships Kidman & Helms (1) won November 2003 lost January 2004 The Jung Dragons (1) won January 2004 lost March 2004 KENTA & Marufuji (1) won March 2004 lost April 2004 The Briscoe Brothers (1) won April 2004 lost June 2004 Havana Pitbulls (1) won June 2004 lost August 2004 The Briscoe Brothers (2) won August 2004 lost October 2004 Havana Pitbulls (2) won October 2004 lost December 2004 Volador Jr & Mistico (1) won December 2004 W1 Tournament AJ Styles d. Jamie Noble W2 Global Tandem Tag League Slow Burn Dream Team d. T.O.S. Awards Wrestler of the Year: Lance Storm Cruiserweight of the Year: Bryan Danielson Rookie of the Year: Samoa Joe Tag Team of the Year Slow Burn Dream Team Feud of the Year: AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels Match of the Year: Shinya Hashimoto vs Lance Storm at Halloween Havoc |
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![]() 2005 Recap World Championship Wrestling once used the tagline "Where the big boys play". Given the WCW has its roots in southern wrestling and traditionally emphasized skill and athleticism over size and charisma, it is rather ironic that the "big boys" aspect of that tagline has typically applied to the men who have held the promotions top title. Going back to the NWA World Heavyweight championship used by JCP/WCW in the late 80s, the likes of Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Sting, Barry Windham, and even Ronnie Garvin were all 230-pounds plus. Outside of short reigns by Tatsumi Fujinami and Keiji Mutoh, the belt was held by wrestlers who were at least average by the business' standards. Throughout the 1990s and early part of the new century, most of the world champions in WCW were average or bigger (Flair, Savage, Hogan, Giant, Nash, Vicious, Page, Booker, Steiner, Hart, Jarrett). If one forgets about the reigns of Vince Russo and David Arquette (as everyone should), then only Chris Benoit can be counted as a champion who was "below average" in size, and he weighed only a bit less than Jeff Jarrett or Bret Hart. Even after the sale to Fusient and the subsequent sale to Perfect Storm, the Big Gold belt continued to be held by guys who were almost all 240 pounds or bigger. So what is the point of this history lesson? Simply that when WCW pushed AJ Styles all the way to the WCW World Heavyweight championship, they were bucking a trend that has existed in the promotion for a long long time. It may not have been an intentional trend, at least under Lance Storm, but it was there. By real world measures, Styles isn't a small man. He is billed by WCW as six-foot, 225 pounds. That puts him just slightly below the billed size of Shawn Michaels. But the billed numbers are generous, and Styles is probably closer to 5'10" and 215 pounds. That still makes him significantly bigger than the average American male. In the pro wrestling industry, it makes a "natural cruiserweight". And yet that "natural cruiserweight" would rise to become one of the top stars in World Championship Wrestling and hold the WCW World Heavyweight championship. The world championship win by Styles was not the biggest moment of the year for World Championship Wrestling. No, the biggest moment would happen on the business side and it would be a network change. Although the support from Fox Sports Net had increased notably since the broadcasting deal extension signed by in 2003, WCW was still seeking other options. With the WWE's deal with Spike TV to broadcast WWE Raw expiring in early 2005 and Raw moving back to the USA Network, Nitro moving to Spike TV seemed a logical move. And sure enough, it did happen. WCW Nitro debuted on Spike TV on August 3rd, 2005, on Wednesday night at 8:00pm (EST). Perhaps the only thing surprising about the move of WCW Nitro from FSN to Spike was how aggressively the network pursued WCW. A television network can be many things, but one thing that one wouldn't typically expect it to be is vindictive. Yet that is how Spike TV has been described after their break with the WWE. "They wanted wrestling and they went hard after WCW to get it," says one television insider. The network offered the promotion a very sweet deal and promised a lot of advertising, which they would deliver on. Given some serious hype by Spike TV, the debut of Nitro drew a strong 2.2 rating. This was well below what the WWE was managing on the network but well above anything WCW Nitro had managed while on Fox Sports. The ratings for Nitro would remain above 2.0 for the first couple of months, then gradually decline to a consistent 1.5 - 1.7 range. Both Spike TV and World Championship Wrestling are said to have been content with the ratings, even when they dropped a bit in later 2005. That does not mean the new marriage was entirely smooth. There were apparently some moments of notable tension between the network and promotion. The first came before the switch ever occurred, with Spike TV wanting Nitro to switch to back to Monday nights to go head-to-head with WWE Raw. Sanford and all of WCW management saw the folly in that. It would almost be certainly kicking off a fight that WCW could not win. So Sanford was insistent that the show remain on Wednesday nights. The promotion won that fight. The other issue, which came up in August, was the production values of Nitro. Its not clear why it didn't come up sooner, as Spike TV executives had to be aware of what Nitro looked like in Fox Sports Net, but after the first few shows on Spike, they felt that the overall production values were lacking. Which was accurate but largely intentional as WCW had maintained the "gritty" feel to Nitro that had originally occurred out of need. Spike felt the show should be closer to the smooth, polished feel of Raw. This would remain an issue between the network and promotion for some time, but as Nitro didn't undergo major cosmetic changes, it would seem that WCW won out on that issue as well. The switch over to Spike TV also saw World Championship Wrestling introduce a new logo. Or more accurately, a re-worked version of their logo used from 1999-2001. Internally, this was reportedly seen as a small change rather than any major attempt to rebrand. In typical fashion, the wrestling fans online would seek some greater "meaning" within the change, such as speculating that the logo change meant WCW was changing its product to appease Spike TV. The roster losses continued in 2005 for World Championship Wrestling. The attrition was not as damaging as it had been in 2004, but a repeat of that would have been difficult. The WWE signed up Mike Awesome, Ryan O'Reilly, Johnny Curtis, and Chris Harris. None were significant losses. The veteran Awesome was 40 years old and it was difficult to see exactly why the WWE signed him, especially as he would be released before the end of the year. He would work in Japan afterwards. The remainder were lower-card talents who had some potential but were not seen as future star material by WCW. Some of the other losses included Shane Douglas, Jimmy Yang, Yoshihiro Tajiri, and Johnny Hate (aka Johnny Stamboli). Yang and Tajiri both saw their contract expire and turned down extensions to work in Japan for a time. It is has seemingly become common to paint the signing of WCW talent by the WWE as an intentional and vindictive tactic by Vince McMahon. Given the history of animosity between the two promotions, its rather easy to see it that way. Yet the indication from multiple sources within the WWE is that this wasn't the case. Vince didn't see WCW as competition is the oft-repeated phrase. Those sources indicate that the WWE saw signing talent from WCW as no different from signing talent from any other promotion. The only real difference is that most WCW talent had experience working on TV and had a bit more name value. The thought of hurting the competition wasn't a factor. In reality, it would seem that very few within WWE management or creative paid any real attention to the WCW product at this point. Perhaps the biggest losses for WCW were Hugh Morrus and former world champion Diamond Dallas Page. Morrus had moved down the card a bit in the year prior and at 39 years old, was unlikely to get a heavy push. Recognizing this, he politely declined a contract extension offer and accepted an offer to tour in Japan with All Japan Pro Wrestling beginning in the summer of 2005. Page had been dealing with constant nagging injuries, which shouldn't be a surprise as he was nearing 50 years old. In the late spring, Page would suffer a neck injury in a match against Raven. After trying to work through the injury for about a month, he listened to doctors and took time out of the ring. Facing surgery and a lengthy rehab, the veteran made the decision to retire from ative competition instead. There was no big send off. He was also back on WCW television soon after, as he was asked to take over the role of commentator on Nitro, replacing Arn Anderson in the booth. Diamond Dallas Page would excel in the role. On-screen, World Championship Wrestling had several storylines that captured the attention of the fans through 2005. Those included the push of AJ Styles to the top, which coincided with the reformation of the Four Horsemen stable, as well as the rise of Samoa Joe and the feud between Bryan Danielson and Lance Storm. They were all connected in some way. The build-up of Styles was directly connected to Raven, as was the reformation of the Horseman. After losing the World Heavyweight title in the summer of 2004, the manipulative and charismatic veteran began slowly forming a new Flock. He took Christopher Daniels under his wing, guiding the "Fallen Angel" from the cruiserweight division to the TV title and then the US title. He also mentored the young Briscoe Brothers. Raven was clearly using the talent to try to push forward his own agenda, but he masked it well and it was hard to argue with the success that they found. Sterling James Keenan would also fall under Raven's influence as he became a key cruiserweight talent. Through the latter part of 2004, Styles and Daniels feuded over the United States championship, but the again-beloved Styles found himself stymied by interference from Raven and his cronies. At the start of 2005, Styles was singled out by Flair in a promo that "Nature Boy" cut about the future of World Championship Wrestling being bright. Styles responded positively and this lead to Flair asking Styles to be the opponent in his first match back in WCW since 2001. It was a sign of respect, and the pair had a pretty solid match (considering Flair's age) at The Big Bang. After this, Flair was clearly in a mentor role for Styles and the two tagged together a couple of times. The legend made the young man dubbed "The Phenomenal" understand that pursing the US title was beneath him and that he should be focusing on the WCW World Heavyweight championship. The belt was held by Kanyon, but Styles still had to go through Raven to get a shot, who was still trying to get "his" belt back too. Raven was willing to do whatever it took to become a two-time world champion in WCW but Styles took the high road, which was his failing. He lost a "number one contender" match to Raven at SuperBrawl, after which Raven and his followers attacked not only Styles but also Flair who was at ringside. The save came from Lance Storm, Bryan Danielson, James Storm, and BJ Whitmer. The two former members of Pure Southern Pride had ended their feud with a match at Starrcade 22 but showed each other respect with a handshake afterwards, the viciousness of the feud muted in the end as both wrestlers realized they were being manipulated be Edward Vander Pyle to his own ends. There was no real hint of a PSP reunion until both Storm and Whitmer came to the aid of Styles and Flair. On Nitro a few weeks later, Storm (James, not Lance) and Whitmer would team with Styles and Flair in an eight-man tag against Raven and his Flock. Flair would drop the four-finger gesture of the Four Horsemen during the match, but the angle would continue as a slow burn. It was also established that there was also a lot of respect between Lance Storm and Ric Flair, so that Storm and his tag partner Bryan Danielson were also there to help "The Nature Boy" when needed. It made for an intriguing dynamic, as most fans recognized that thing were building toward a new version of the Four Horsemen, but it wasn't really clear who that would include. What was becoming increasingly clear is that AJ Styles would indeed require help to overcome the numbers advantage of Raven. At the Hostile Intent 2005, Raven would claim the World Heavyweight championship for the second time, pinning Kanyon with some help from his friends. The same night, Styles defeated his long-time rival Daniels and was named the number one contender for the world championship as a result. The build toward a new Horsemen would continue for several months, and the newest incarnation of the greatest power stable in pro wrestling history would not be introduced until the June 1st Nitro. It was Arn Anderson who did the introduction and it was one of the longest individual segments on Nitro in a long time. The show was held in North Carolina, and "The Enforcer" got a huge reception. He talked about how great it was to have Flair back in WCW, and that with Tully in the front office, it felt just like old times. Arn told of how one of the reasons that Ric wanted to come back to WCW was because of all the great young talent the promotion had. World Championship Wrestling was as much about the future as it was about tradition. It was in that spirit, Anderson claimed, that Flair came to him recently with an idea. A truly great idea. A resurrection. Tonight, the greatest faction in pro wrestling history would be reborn. The Four Horsemen had returned! Arn then introduced each member of the faction individually and with some depth, starting with Ric Flair. Then James Storm. Then BJ Whitmer. Then finally the reigning WCW World Heavyweight champion, AJ Styles. The fans roared their approval with each name. The Horsemen were back in WCW at last. The reformation of such a group is always going to bear some controversy with fans, especially when it required three new members. All of the choices would be questioned by fans, even if they made sense. Styles made sense as he had become one of the new young stars of WCW, dynamic and exciting in the ring. Despite being charismatic, he remained relatively unpolished on the microphone. But in many ways, he represented the new WCW athletic ethos. Being the world champion didn't hurt, either. Storm was an ideal inclusion - a charismatic hard-partying talent from Tennessee who already lived the Horseman way. Whitmer was a tough guy from Kentucky and reminded many of Arn Anderson, so he made sense as well. Oddly, there were some fans who did question Ric Flair being a part of the new group. Not that they felt he should be excluded, but rather take a side role, as Anderson would. The idea there apparently being that Flair was not really wrestling full-time. Most recognized that Flair had to be part of this group. It did not take the new Four Horsemen long to begin collecting gold in addition to Style's world title, just like the days of old. At Bash at the Beach, the reformed Pure Southern Pride tandem took the WCW World Tag Team championships from T.O.S. An intriguing dynamic to the build of Styles prior to him winning the world title from Raven was the hints that Flair dropped about teaching Phenomenal all his dirty tricks. Despite being an undeniable babyface, Styles would need some of those dirty tricks to eventually cleanly pin Raven at Great American Bash and become world champion. The group remained beloved by fans, but they proved entirely willing to do whatever was necessary to win. That was the Horseman way. While one can debate whether or not having a champion who legitimately weighed under 220 pounds represented a change in mentality and product for World Championship Wrestling, Styles would end up being a solid champion for the promotion. Its somewhat difficult to measure whether he succeeded as a draw over his five month reign, as TV ratings saw a notable jump right in the middle but that was due to the network switch. Beyond that, WCW didn't really see any real deviation from its normal slow upward trend of results. There were concerns amongst some fans that Styles would be used merely as a transitional champion by WCW, perhaps moving the belt on to Samoa Joe. He would indeed lose the belt to Joe, but not until Halloween Havoc. In the meantime, Phenomenal would prove an exciting world champion and legitimate main event star for World Championship Wrestling. As much as the first half of 2005 was about the build of AJ Style and building toward a new version of the Four Horseman, it was equally about the building of Samoa Joe. "The Samoan Machine" already had a bit of a history in WCW, with his first appearances dating back to 2001. Starting in late 2003, he had worked dates for WCW regularly but not exclusively. As Lance Storm already had an eye toward what would be done with Joe down the road, the big man was booked carefully and protected. As 2005 kicked off, Joe was finally exclusive to WCW. And he started the year out by losing two matches in a row. It was an odd way to kick off a strong push but it was done very deliberately. The push had realistically begun through much of 2004. Although Joe wasn't pushed up the card much and didn't work most pay per view events, he mowed through much of the lower-level talent in WCW in a fairly domination fashion. He would do the same to guys in the middle of the card through the first half of 2005, then guys nearer to the top of the card. The reason that Joe lost two matches to start the year was simple: Goldberg. While that may not immediately seem like a direct correlation, it was for the WCW creative team. They recognized that Joe had not actually lost a televised match in WCW yet. There were some similarities between them as workers, too - both were intense big guys. Goldberg had a better build and more charisma, while Joe was clearly a better in-ring worker. Of greater concern, however, was that Joe would be pushed in a relatively similar manner as Goldberg had been - by smashing people. Wanting to ensure that the push of Joe would feel different, beyond the matches being longer and quite honestly better, the decision was made to remove the whole "undefeated" aspect right away. So Joe lost by disqualification against Colt Cabana when he refused to let go of a submission hold after "Captain Classic" reached the ropes, then lost in a tag team match against Cabana and Steel, with Joe's partner Booker T taking the pinfall. While Joe would lose in such a manner (never directly getting pinned or submitted) a few more times through 2005, he predominantly won and did so convincingly. One of the reasons that World Championship Wrestling was able to find succeed and growth through the middle of the decade was the ability to build new stars. Given that the promotion still featured stars like Sting, Ric Flair, and Booker T, some fans will see that as an ironic statement. Yet it's tough to deny when you consider Sean O'Haire, Kanyon, Raven, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe all becoming legit main eventers for WCW. Colt Cabana was getting close to that level by the spring of 2005. Having learned to better harness his goofy charisma and comedy elements had seen "Captain Classic" move up the roster. To the point where many had him picked out as a future world champion. There is some indication that Lance Storm and his team were considering Cabana as the man who might eventually take the belt from Joe, but any such plans were derailed when the WWE came calling. "The offer came in at the last minute. Everyone was taken unaware, even Colt," Raven commented in a shoot interview. The WWE had given no indication they had interest in the youngster, even to Cabana. Yet just a few weeks before his existing contract expired, and when he had agreed an extension in principle that had yet to be signed, Cabana was contacted and offered a fairly lucrative contract. He did what was probably the "right" thing in that circumstance - he went and talked to Lance Storm, who brought in Tully Blanchard. An effort was made to talk Cabana into staying, but both Storm and Blanchard also recognized the opportunity that was being offered. In addition, WCW could not justify matching the financial terms of the contract. And so Cabana was gone, unexpectedly and with little notice. He is said to ahve been massively apologetic backstage for the situation but it still took a rising star from the WCW ranks. This is a move where it's easy to paint the WWE in a negative light, as Vince McMahon has used plenty of such dirty tricks in the past, but WWE insider's indicator there was no malice involved. They simply became aware of Cabana's contract situation at a late juncture and still decided to pursue their interest. From struggle can emerge opportunity, and that was the case for World Championship Wrestling. When Cabana left in the spring of 2005, CM Punk was finally signed full-time. He had worked some dates for the promotion starting in late 2004, but was never given a full-time contract. The great work and popularity of the 26-year old in both the AWA and ROH was hard to ignore. While some have tried to paint Punk as being intended as a direct replacement for the departed Cabana, that's quite unrealistic. Punk was still relatively-unknown to WCW fans while Cabana had been on the cusp of main event status, so he would have made a poor direct replacement. There are indications that Punk had been "on the radar" for WCW for some time. It would be difficult for him not to be, as he was the most popular wrestler in their developmental program, even if he wasn't actually contracted to WCW. It's been hinted, but never directly confirmed, that Punk was offered a developmental deal by WCW more than once but held out until he was offered a sure spot on the main roster. There have also been hints that some within WCW, particularly within the front office, did not "get" Punk. There were definitely some concerns on the creative side of whether Punk's unique charisma and appeal would translate on a bigger stage. Punk would get his chance in part because he had support within WCW. On man in particular felt Punk was going to be a star - Raven. The same Raven who had feuded with Punk in the AWA through late 2003 and early 2004, and turned him into a star there, was sure Punk would be a major player for World Championship Wrestling. When he debuted shortly after Cabana left, Punk was introduced part of Raven's Flock. It was an interesting way to do it, given the existing history between the two in the AWA, but WCW creative (well, Raven at least) ensured to maintain the continuity and subtly referenced their past history, so it was a nice touch for those few fans who followed both the AWA and WCW. Raven's Flock played a key role for WCW, as it was used to introduce a number of new talents beyond Punk. The stable had moved away from the grunge-inspired, despondent group of social outcasts it had been and became more of a group of edgy individuals who questioned the traditions and "rules" of the business. It made the group a natural foil for the tradition-minded, "old school" Four Horsemen. Raven had evolved as a character as well, becoming something of a "dark prophet" who wanted to influence the present and future of the business by sharing his knowledge and experience. The membership of this new Flock included Christopher Daniels (who had become the clear second-in-command), Sterling James Keenan, the Briscoe Brothers, Low Ki, Amazing Red, Michael Shane, Frankie Kazarian, Johnny Devine, and Alex Shelley at different times but it was almost constantly in flux. The movement in and out of the group set up a lot of low-level feuds, especially in the Cruiserweight division. It was commonly used to introduce new talent onto the roster, such as the case with CM Punk. The Flock also had an indirect influence on one of the more interesting feuds of 2005. The Slow Burn Dream Tag tandem of Bryan Danielson and Lance Storm was extremely talented and very successful, considered by some to be one of the top teams in the world during that period. Yet everyone expected that the "slow burn" would eventually lead to another feud between the two men, after they had come together through a feud in the first place. There were some hints at problems early in 2005, when American Dragon decided to take part in the 2005 W1 tournament, a decision that Storm was clearly not happy with. Danielson made the Semi Finals, but he and Storm were also offered a shot at the World Tag Team belts held by The Briscoe Brothers. At Spring Showcase, Danielson defeated Jamie Noble in the opener to make the Final, then helped Storm win the tag titles, and then defeated Austin Aries to win the 2005 W1 tournament. Three matches on one event and three wins made for one of the best individual nights a WCW wrestler had enjoyed in a long time, even if Storm did a lot of the work in the tag team match. The Slow Burn Dream Team would hold the tag belts for just a month before losing them to T.O.S. Those first hints of disharmony between Storm and Danielson would bear out eventually, with a few additional hints through the summer. The Horseman were set to face the Flock in a War Games match at Fall Brawl and they needed someone to take the fifth spot. The search began in August and took most of September. Ric Flair was clear that not just anyone would suffice and the wrestler chosen was likely to be invited into the Horsemen afterwards to take the spot of "The Nature Boy". Not that Flair was retiring but as he didn't wrestle frequently, he felt that the group needed four fully-active wrestlers. So Flair would move into the "JJ Dillon" role. The search would come down between two members of the Slow Burn Dream Team. Neither Storm nor Danielson were really a direct fit as they didn't adhere to the hard-partying lifestyle of the Horseman but they certainly merited inclusion based on talent. The "American Dragon" was desperate to be picked, cutting an emotional promo about how he had grown up watching Flair and the Horseman dominate, thus how much it would mean to him be selected for the honor. Storm was less enthused with the idea, yet he was the man who would be chosen. The stage was set. After the Horsemen were successful in the War Games match at Fall Brawl, Lance Storm was offered a permanent spot in the stable. Storm admitted he was hesitant and he had a good point - he really didn't fit the ethos of the group. Flair cut a promo where he compared Storm to Arn Anderson, saying that the uber-serious Storm could be the glue that held the group together. Storm relented and joined, giving the Horsemen two Storms. Danielson didn't take it so well, and when he was told that the Slow Burn Tag Team was done, he reacted by attacking Storm. That earned him a beat down from the Horsemen, which Storm tried to keep from being worse. "American Dragon" would aggressively stalk his former-partner. He was well behind in the numbers game and took further beat-downs because of that. It created an interesting dynamic, as Danielson was playing the heel yet he got some underdog sympathy for his dogged determination and undeniable courage in the face of superior numbers. The Horsemen were babyfaces yet certainly seemed heelish in using their numbers to overwhelm Danielson without remorse. Lance Storm did show remorse and clearly preferred to deal with the situation with Danielson himself. But that wasn't the Horseman way. Storm wasn't fitting into the group that well, as being the "straight man" in the group created a few awkward moments. "American Dragon" would get a chance at Lance Storm at Halloween Havoc, but Storm triumphed when his stable-mates interfered. They would meet again in the W2 tournament - Storm teamed with AJ Styles while Danielson was reunited with his Team Widow-Maker partner Low-Ki. This time, Danielson would triumph as interference in the match by Ric Flair would backfire, allowing Danielson to score an upset pin on the former world champion Styles. At Utter Mayhem 2K5, Danielson would publicly challenge Lance Storm, going so far as to state that if he couldn't defeat Storm in a fair match with no interference, he would leave World Championship Wrestling forever. Flair would call him on that declaration, forcing Danielson to put his WCW career on the line to get a match against Lance Storm at Starrcade. Storm would have to do the same, but with an added caveat - at nearly 37 years old, Storm had no intention of leaving WCW to start over somewhere else. So if he lost, he would retire from professional wrestling. The match would be the semi-main event of Starrcade 24, second only to the World Heavyweight championship match between Samoa Joe and Sting. In reality, the Storm-Danielson match probably the primary draw of the event. The Four Horsemen were banned from ringside. The match was brilliant spectacle, a forty minute technical battle that ebbed and flowed perfectly without ever dragging. Just past the half hour mark, Storm had the opportunity to win "the Horseman way" when a lovely fan at ringside - who would turn out to be the girlfriend of James Storm - slipped the Canadian an object, which turned out to be brass knuckles. Storm seemed to consider it but tossed them aside rather than used them. It was a decision that may have cost him the match and his career. After a great sequence of traded finisher attempts and near-finishes, Danielson locked in a LeBell Lock and forced Storm to tap out. The strong crowd in Toronto gave the match a huge reception, then chanting Storm's name as the fallen warrior shook hands with his former partner. An emotional Storm took a microphone and thanked the fans, then walked out of the WCW ring. The Four Horsemen were down a man and Lance Storm was retired. The retirement was not a work he was actually retiring. Which is not to say he would never step into the ring again, but he would no longer be an active competitor for World Championship Wrestling. Storm would retain his position as Head Booker, and that was at the heart of the retirement. The WCW travel schedule remained a bit lighter than the WWE, but it required being on the road 4 or 5 days per week. With his booking duties requiring regular meetings with management, Storm faced a heavier travel schedule than most. Even reducing the amount of house shows he worked only helped so much. So by mid-2005, Storm has said he realized that he had to give up something. For the sake of his family life and his overall health, he had to sacrifice either his in-ring career or his booking duties. Seeing better long-term prospects with his creative work (not that Storm expected to book forever, he admits, but working as part of the management team of a wrestling promotion looked better on a resume than just being a wrestler) he decided to focus on that side of his career. It also meant reduced travel. If strictly booking WCW, Storm had to be on the road just 2-3 days per week at most, which meant more time at home in Calgary with his family. Although he never won a world championship, it is difficult not to view the loss of Lance Storm as a blow to World Championship Wrestling. Since 2000, he had been the most consistent in-ring performer in the promotion. He was over enough with the fans to main event a pay per view when required and certainly would have made a fine world champion. The decision to put over Bryan Danielson before he retired was a keen one by Storm, as Danielson was the most natural in-ring successor. Danielson would also replace him in the Four Horsemen in early 2006. The rise of Danielson - and Styles before that - highlighted the degree of changes to the WCW roster by the end of 2005, as compared to what the roster had looked like back in 2001 and 2002. The roster was certainly larger, necessitated by the additional programming and allowed for by WCW being more financially secure. The promotion also carried a few more "luxury" talent, such as managers and valets. The American Wrestling Association showed its value as a lot of young new talent came through the promotion. Not all of them made an impact or lasted with WCW, but quite a number did. Rumors continued to plague WCW and the promotion was often linked with talent from the WWE who were said to be unhappy or nearing the end of their contracts. While WCW did add some talent who had recently been part of the WWE, they all fell under the "cast off" category and were all midcard additions to WCW at best. There were also regular talents from Japan on the roster, typically on loan from one of the big three puro promotions, or the upstart DragonGate. A couple of WCW legends made a return in 2005, though under very differing circumstances. After the rumor-mongering done by Hulk Hogan in early 2003, it seemed as thought World Championship Wrestling wanted nothing more to do with one of the men most responsible for the heights hit in the 90s. So it was something of a shock when Hogan was revealed as the "special ringside enforcer" for the World Heavyweight championship match between Raven and Sting at Clash of the Champions XXXVI. The whole situation was a bit odd and its tough to get much information from WCW insiders about what led to it. Common speculation has indicated that the promotion was pushed to use Hogan by HDNet, which was broadcasting the event. Did the network for WCW to use the "legendary" Hogan to build hype in the mainstream media, or even bankroll the signing? Possible but such things remain unconfirmed. Hogan made a couple of WCW appearances before the Clash, then played a big role in the main event as he accidentally interfered with his old rival Sting, allowing Raven to score the victory. Then he disappeared once again. The myriad of rumors that he would sign on long term with WCW, either as a personality or an actual wrestler, proved groundless. At least for the moment. The second return happened in the fall. Since Randy Savage had left WCW in 2004, the promotion had lacked a regular on-screen authority figure. Not that WCW made constant use of an authority figure, compared to the WWE or even WCW themselves in the past, but the role certainly had its uses. Especially when it came to introducing the W1 and W2 tournament talent and such. After having used the likes of Arn Anderson and Ted DiBiase as Interim Nitro Commissioner when required, WCW management wanted someone they could use regularly in the role. The man picked shocked some fans, as Kevin Nash was revealed as the new Nitro Commissioner. A former world champion, he had a major legacy in the promotion as he had been a key player in the rise of World Championship Wrestling... and just as key in its fall. His history as a world champion and key figure made him a great choice as the new authority figure but that same history the perception that he was one of those who had damaged the promotion made him a polarizing figure to long-time WCW fans. There seems to be a tendency amongst some fans to continually underestimate WCW management. Though to be fair, the same can be said of similar fans questioning the WWE front office regarding every decision. The front office of World Championship Wrestling was far from ignorant of Nash's reputation. The big man was brought in what can only be called a very short leash. He has admitted that when hired, he was essentially told that he was an entirely dispensable nostalgia act and that he would have absolutely no leeway if he went outside what he was told to do. Whether it was due to that threat or simply because his reputation was over-blown, Nash would be model employe for at least the first few months of his tenure as Nitro Commissioner. Though he cannot legitimately be considered a WCW legend, Steven Regal (aka William Regal) returned as well. The English grappler had a good run in the WWE, but reportedly had some kind of falling out or even altercation with McMahon. Though neither man has confirmed, the rumors suggest that Regal was unhappy at his role in the promotion. He played a pretty key role in the Eugene story-arc, in which wrestler Nick Dinsmore played a mentally-challenged wrestler. Equal parts campy fun and moderately offensive wrestle-crap, being Eugene's tag team partner and mentor was hardly a glamour role for Regal. It is unclear whether Regal was promised a push or whether he felt he earned it, but it seems he was unhappy when he was told of the WWE's plans heading into 2006. The WWE was working to develop a new brand, one which would be specifically focused on bringing through younger talent. It would have a weekly TV show and title belts, like the other brands, but clearly be a "B" brand. Regal was intended to be one of the main talents on the brand, which was a nice thought until it became clear that meant he would mostly be putting over the young workers coming through. Whether Regal asked for his release or was simply fired is also not clear, as the company simply made the typical generic wish him all the best in his future endeavours notation on the website in the early fall. Regal himself has said he wasn't intending to return to WCW but rather looking to head back to England for an extended period, but that changed when he was contacted by Lance Storm with an offer. The whole situation with Regal leaving the WWE is vague and cloudy, which is odd in a business where such situations often come to public light eventually. Making things even more confusing is that Regal has been nothing but complimentary toward the WWE and Vince McMahon since he left. Within weeks of debuting, Regal would win the WCW United States championship. It was clear that he would not merely be a midcard act for WCW this time, even if he might never win the world title. Regal would hold onto the US title for a short period of time, losing it in early 2006 to Bryan Danielson in a fantastic match, but he began to assemble a stable of talent around him that looked like a British version of the Flock. The group was dubbed Regal's Empire. Another WWE wrestler who joined WCW earlier in 2005 was Matt Hardy. The older Hardy brother had been released in the early spring over a backstage situation where his girlfriend, Lita, cheated on him and then dumped him for fellow WWE wrestler Edge. The situation became public and the WWE turned it into a storyline but it started to get legitimately ugly, so Hardy was the one who was released. Hardy would debut with WCW in the early summer, winning the US title but not really winning over fans. His WCW run would last just a few months, as the possibility of returning to the WWE motivated him to ask WCW for his release. Given that management reportedly never saw Hardy as a potential star, they granted his request and he soon returned back to the WWE to feud with Edge and Lita. The short tenure of Matt Hardy at least disproved the theory that some espoused that anyone from the WWE with at least a bit of name value would be a big star for World Championship Wrestling. Given enough time, it is possible Hardy would have won over the WCW fans but that isn't definite. There are some suggestions that WCW hoped to sign Jeff Hardy and re-team the brothers, although both brothers have stated they wanted to find success as singles wrestlers rather than teaming up again. Despite the younger Hardy brother being released by the WWE in 2003, there was no attempt to sign him by WCW. Having been released from the WWE over "personal issues" (reported drug problems, erratic behaviour, and overall unreliability), the feeling within WCW was simply that more charismatic and dynamic Hardy brother was simply not worth the trouble he would likely bring. So Jeff Hardy continued to work for ROH and TNA, giving both promotions a bit of a boost, until he would eventually get a second chance in the WWE. One backstage loss suffered by WCW in 2005 was the departure of John Laurinaitis . The man who had two runs in WCW as Head Booker and who had been replaced by Lance Storm in early 2003 had surprised many inside the company by remaining with WCW for another two years. He worked as part of the creative team lead by Storm, with his specific focus being on match planning. While not the most popular personality backstage due to his occasionally-abrasive manner, he did his job well and that has to be respected. He resigned with WCW to take an offer from Vince McMahon which put him on the executive side of the world's biggest wrestling promotion. The departure was internally considered a loss for WCW but not one that fans would likely to recognize in the product. Another legend made a return, in a sense. Between 1988 and 1997, World Championship Wrestling held 35 Clash of the Champions events. They were pay per calibre cards held on television. The first one went head-to-head with WrestleMania IV and was headlined by the memorable 45-minute draw between Ric Flair and Sting, the match which is considered to have made the then-young Sting into a star. In early 2005, WCW was in negotiations with HDNet for another issue and the idea of live, PPV-caliber events came up. After some negotiations, the Clash was resurrected. The agreement called for 2 to 4 of the events per year with flexible dates and to be broadcast live. The network compensated the promotion quite handsomely for the shows. In fact, some industry insiders have suggested that WCW made as much from the Clash of the Champions events broadcast on HDNet as most of their pay per views although if true, that also had a lot to do with the average WCW pay per view during this era only drawing mediocre numbers, at least when compared to the WWE from the same period or to the WCW peak. Despite an absence of 8 years, WCW continued with the naming convention for the Clash. So the first of the resurrected event was Clash of the Champions XXXVI: Genesis. It was held in early June and headlined by Raven defending the WCW World Heavyweight championship against Sting. WCW reportedly wanted to have Sting against against Ric Flair in a throw-back to the very first event, but HDNet wanted the event headlined by a world title match. All the titles in WCW were defended on the card. A rather strange aspect to the show was that while all the title matches were interesting and sellable match-ups, they were not based on any current feuds and therefore had virtually no build. Raven, for example, was feuding with AJ Styles and Four Horseman, while Sting was in the midst of a feud with Kanyon and would disappear from WCW TV again for several months when it concluded at the Great American Bash. Despite the random match-ups, the show was very solid and drew good ratings (by HDNet standards), making it a success all the way around. The negotiations between HDNet and WCW that had lead to the Clash being brought back were actually over a new show for the promotion. For the 2004 W2 and the 2005 W1 tournaments, WCW had put together one-hour preview shows, which had been broadcast repeatedly on HDNet. WCW was able to use footage provided by outside promotions to help promote some of the on-loan talent for the events. The shows were seen as an effective way to introduce fans to some of the talent, as well as to highlight any stories that would be key to the tournaments. Both sides liked the concept and a deal was agreed in the late spring for the show to be developed. There were complications, as HDNet envisioned it as essentially a recap highlight show which would heavily feature footage for Nitro, but Spike TV wasn't so keen on that idea. WCW wanted it to be more of a variety show, though not in mold the Tuesday Night Titans. WCW wanted to model it on preview and recap shows produced by sports networks like ESPN. It would feature recaps, previews, analysis of feuds, hype videos, interviews, and even historical segments. It was another way to promote the product and, as one insider stated, a unique way to emphasize the strong continuity that WCW was trying to build around. WCW Fallout debuted on October 7th, 2005, hosted by Diamond Dallas Page. The show drew decent ratings (again, by HDNet standards) and would continue every Friday night from that point on. The show tended to bounce between thirty and sixty minutes in length, but was otherwise seen as a solid addition by fans. With the first two editions of the W1 and W2 tournaments making both very popular events with fans, WCW ended up expanding both tournaments in 2005. Both were kept as single-elimination tournaments, at least for the time being, but expanded in terms of participants. The W1 included 21 wrestlers and the W2 expanded all the way to 24 teams, with both using preliminary round that many teams coming from outside the promotion had to go through. There were more outside talent than ever before. Yet it was Bryan Danielson defeating Austin Aries in the final of the W1 and then the young Briscoe Brothers taking the victory in the W2 Tandem tournament. For all the outside talent that these tournaments showcased, they remained a stage for World Championship Wrestling talent first and foremost. The W1 victory by American Dragon marked his final match as a true cruiserweight. The world of professional wrestling suffered a trio of tragedies through 2005, two of them in the WWE. The first happened early in the year. Chris Benoit was wrestling Eddie Guerrero in the main event of a SmackDown taping. The Canadian went for a top rope move to the outside but something happened and instead of landing on his opponent, he over-rotated and slammed his upper back into the ringside barrier before landing on the back of his head. Losing feeling in his lower extremities, Benoit was put on a stretcher and taken to hospital while worried fans watched. Less a week later, Benoit would walk out of the hospital under his own power. But the damage he had done to his neck and upper back was severe. He would go through several surgeries and extensive rehab over the next year but because of degenerative nerve damage, there would be no comeback. With that one moment, the career of one of the greatest technical wrestlers in the world was over. While a great wrestler having their career end like that is truly unfortunate, the consequences of that moment would be truly tragic. Eddie Guerrero was a close friend of Benoit and according to those close to him, always blamed himself for the injury. No one else did, and logically, it would be tough to expect Guerrero to recognize that Benoit had come off the top rope incorrectly and adjust adequately. The incident left Guerrero despondent and while those close to him encouraged him to take some time off the road, he took a series of medications to deal with the depression and insomnia. On November 13, 2005, Guerrero was found dead in a hotel room by his nephew Chavo. The cause of death was acute heart failure. While the circumstances would be debated, the series of medications Guerrero was on at the time of his death was seen as a contributing factor, as well as past issues with drug usage and steroids. An immensely talented wrestler who has beloved by fans and well-liked throughout the industry, the death of Eddie Guerrero rocked the pro wrestling world. Although it may have flown under the radar of many North American wrestling fans, Japan suffered a similar shocking loss earlier in 2005. On July 11, 2005, Shinya Hashimoto was felled by a brain aneurysm. He had just turned 40 and was about to embark on a comeback with New Japan Pro Wrestling. Given that Hashimoto had spent the last half of 2004 with World Championship Wrestling as the WCW World Heavyweight champion, the loss was felt within WCW. All three of the men had worked for WCW at some point in their careers and two were former WCW world champions. While all three losses were high-profile, the reality is that the wrestling business is a harsh one and it has taken many careers and even lives. The world of professional wrestling is a harsh one, and positive change can come slowly. Since 2001, WCW had been continually moving toward the future". While WCW had not forsaken the "today" in favor of the "tomorrow", some fans had begun to grow frustrated at the idea of always looking ahead. 2005 was where that "tomorrow" began to pay off for World Championship Wresting. And it was clear that the future was men like Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Christopher Daniels, and AJ Styles. Championships WCW World Heavyweight Championships Kanyon (2) won December 2004 lost March 2005 Raven (2) won March 2005 lost June 2005 AJ Styles (1) won June 2005 lost October 2005 Samoa Joe (1) won October 2005 WCW United States Championship Christopher Daniels (2) won December 2004 lost April 2005 Adam Pearce (1) won April 2005 lost June 2005 Matt Hardy (1) won June 2005 lost July 2005 D'Lo Brown (2) won July 2005 lost August 2005 Kensuke Sasaki (1) won August 2005 lost October 2005 Antonio Banks (1) won October 2005 lost November 2005 William Regal (1) won November 2005 WCW World Tag Team Championships Slow Burn Dream Team (1) won December 2004 lost February 2005 T.O.S. (1) won February 2005 lost March 2005 The Briscoe Brothers (1) won March 2005 lost April 2005 Slow Burn Dream Team (2) won April 2005 lost May 2005 T.O.S. (2) won May 2005 lost July 2005 Pure Southern Pride (4) won July 2005 lost September 2005 The Briscoe Brothers (2) won September 2005 lost October 2005 Kidman & Helms (1) won October 2005 lost November 2005 Punk & Steel (1) won November 2005 lost December 2005 Bang (1) won December 2005 WCW World Television Championship Billy Kidman (1) won December 2004 lost January 2005 Antonio Banks (1) won January 2004 lost July 2005 Doug Williams (2) won July 2005 lost August 2005 Antonio Banks (2) won August 2005 lost September 2005 Rob Conway (1) won September 2005 lost December 2005 Doug Williams (2) won December 2005 WCW Cruiserweight Championship Austin Aries (1) won November 2004 lost January 2005 KENTA (1) won January 2005 lost March 2005 Jamie Noble (3) won March 2005 lost May 2005 Kaz Hayashi (2) won May 2005 lost August 2005 Sterling James Keenan (2) won August 2005 lost October 2005 Elix Skipper (2) won October 2005 lost November 2005 Johnny Devine (1) won November 2005 lost November 2005 Low Ki (2) won November 2005 lost December 2005 Mistico (1) won December 2005 WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championships Volador Jr & Mistico (1) won December 2004 lost January 2005 Havana Pitbulls (3) won January 2005 lost February 2005 Greatest Men Alive (1) won February 2005 lost April 2005 Havana Pitbulls (4) won April 2005 lost June 2005 Amazing Red & Low Ki (1) won June 2005 lost October 2005 Greatest Men Alive (2) won October 2005 lost November 2005 Elix Skipper & Elijah Burke (1) won November 2005 lost December 2005 Masato Yoshino & Naruki Doi (1) won December 2005 W1 Tournaments Bryan Danielson d. Austin Aries W2 Global Tandem Tag League The Briscoe Brothers d. Pure Southern Pride Awards Wrestler of the Year: AJ Styles Cruiserweight of the Year: Austin Aries Rookie of the Year: CM Punk Tag Team of the Year The Briscoe Brothers Feud of the Year: Raven vs AJ Styles Match of the Year: Lance Storm vs Bryan Danielson at Starrcade 23 |
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1. Regal has pubicly stated he'd take a bullet to the head for McMahon, so I don't see him walking out on the WWE for much of anything. 2. Storm retiring was a nice emotional touch. The Benoit/Guerrero story, not so much. 3. Matt Hardy in WCW? Ugh... 4. New Horsemen, with Flair less active? Not quite ringing with me as creating a new faction that paid tribute to the Horsemen would have, but it's not bad... 5. The longevity of some of your workers astounds me. Booker T, Kanyon, Raven... You going to do anything with Kanyon and his closested homosexuality issues? And why is Booker T not closer into the main-event? I mean, with only a few short title-runs & focus he's had, you'd have expected him to jump to the WWE instead of Cabana... 6. The Flock rejuvenation. Rather nice, though your rebranding of it as a band of renegades kinda makes the Flock name less... fitting? |
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1. Regal has always felt like a WWE loyalist, given how willing he has been to take on different roles. Which is why I didn't want to have him leave the WWE for WCW. Rather, he just wants some time away and ends up getting an intriguing offer. 2. The Benoit/Guerrero deal was basically a way to try to deal with two issues I hate dealing with. Even if I'm just booking in TEW, those ones always give me pause. It was trying to find a way to not have to deal with the Benoit situation fallout. It was just a compromise, one that didn't feel disrepectful nor minimizing. I don't know if everyone who reads it will take it that way, but its the way intended. It sucks from a booker persepctive, as both were guys I would have loved to bring back to WCW. 3. I wasn't sure it would work. I think Jeff Hardy could work, though that feels a bit TNAish. But I still don't want things to be "perfect" and have every signing be ideal. So... WCW Matt Hardy! 4. Flair would have been pretty active during that first six months. Not wrestling every week, but getting in the ring reasonably often. To me that allows them to transition to having a Flair-less Horsemen, at least in regard to the primary four. Not perfect but beyond deciding to have Flair wrestling full-time every week at his age, I don't know how else you do it. 5. Kanyon and Booker will have their moments. Don't want to get into it too much as stuff will happen down the road. But as for whether Booker would be happy taking on a role that is essentially an upper midcard guy... Yeah and no. I could see him potentially getting unhappy but enough to walk out on the promotion, when he doesn't have a sure deal with the E? Booker is 41 by this point. I think he might be of some interest to the WWE but I don't know that they would want to main event like they did - that took 5 years of build within the WWE. Most people tend to rock the boat a bit less if they don't have a real backup plan. And TNA, given they are significantly smaller here, would probably not be the most appealing backup plan. Raven is getting up there in age but his in-ring stuff is gradually decreasing. As for Kanyon, he's only 35 years old so he's a full step behind Booker and Raven in that regard. 6. Raven's Flock is not really intended as a direct resurrection, the way that the Four Horseman moreso is. It harkens back to the original Flock in that they are talent that don't really "fit in" directly for various reasons (although sometimes its just because they are new) and a way to introduce new talent. The original WCW Flock was more about social outcasts and misfits. I don't know if trying to do that in 2005 would work like it did in 1997, so I took those elements out. I considered going with a different name entirely, but I realized that Raven lead a stable of mostly young talent would feel like the Flock to some degree anyway, even if it was called something else. |
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I planned something similiar for an dead TNA 2010 idea myself, where Flair had Fortune slowburn into existence as the heel/tweener top group of TNA (AJ/World, Beer Money/Tag, Kazarian/X-Division & Daniels/Television), with Pope going Crow! Sting/World against them alongside Samoa Joe/Television, Matt Morgan/World, Motor City/Tag & Undecided/X-Division. That was meant to happen post-BFG 2010, though. I was more concerned with British Invasion/World Elite mid-card warfare + AJ Styles versus Samoa Joe + Beer Money versus Motor City + Knockouts on Xplosion on Spike. Quote:
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As for Guerrero, he kinda became a victim of me trying to find a way to make the Benoit situation less awful. Becaus after having Hennig survive where he actually died and altering the Benoit situation, I didn't feel comfortable adjusting his circumstance that much. Simply going for "happy" would have been easy. But it also would have bothered me. Much like simply having the WWE cut ties with a bunch of key talent who I'd love to see in WCW. Sure, some readers might love that. But it would be moving away from the relative connection to " feeling real" that I've tried to maintain. As for the Horseman, I think doing a Horseman-like variation in WCW would have felt like a weak ripoff. TNA can't do a true Horseman stable as they don't have the name rights. If they had the name rights, I 100% believe TNA's "Fortune" would have been "The New Four Horsemen". But WCW is home of the Horsemen, they have the name rights, and they have a key figure in the stable. Having a four-man stable of talent who are close to the top of the promotion, holding belts, and include Flair in some manner is just going to feel like a ripoff of the Horsemen. That is always going to be held against the group. So why not head that issue off and just make them the new Horsemen? The only way to avoid the direct comparisons would be to very intentionally make the group deviate from the Horsemen formula - five or six full members, and have them be super-focused on success (taking away the hard-partying element) or maybe have them all be uber-babyfaces. I think Evolution was able to avoid a lot of Horsemen comparisons because of the very nature of the group. But taking that approach would takes away part of the reason I wanted to resurrect the stable in the first place, which fits with one of my primary themes. I've done some reading on Kanyon's issues and I will take such into consideration. |
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An homage or tribute would work, possibly, but only if you remove the direct involement of anyone involved in the original. I don't think you can be an homage to a classic group while still involving memebers of that group. So it would mean keeping Flair and Anderson far away. Which would be doable, but I wanted them involved for some thematic reasons. Flair, more specifically, as Arn has limited involved on-screen. The thematic stuff may or may not become a bit more clear down the road. Hopefully it will. |
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I have to say that I am a little disappointing with you sidestepping the Beniot situation, I can see why you would but I was wondering how WCW was going to deal with the murders since Benoit did leave a decent legacy there. Also I doubt Benoit's mental condition would be that radically altered in the 2 years you gave him away from the ring, especially with Eddie still dying.
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