The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Makhai]

Originally Posted by brashleyholland

Kinda surprised that FO didn't verify it themselves before posting it, or at least say that they were awaiting verification. I'm guessing with it being wrestling that they simply didn't care enough - but that's no excuse.

My guess is that the story probably wasn't true (or nearly as dramatic) and that the story went out on WO by mistake. It's happened to me before - I've had a story up and accidentally put it live before I was ready too. So then some sad act who's constantly F5'ing the WO page sees it and fan-shots it on BE, then it's taken down from WO. FO saw it and went a bit cavalier, posting it without checking out the story.

With that said - according to someone on twitter it never showed up in their WO RSS feed, which it would have even if it was deleted 5 seconds later. If that's true then the BE fan post was a troll job and FO bit.

Fighters Only have since taken the story down.

I saw the screen grab of the "wrestling observer" post on BE. That post didn't come from anybody at WO. The writing was far better than anything Meltzer is capable of.

The laughable part in all of this is Fighters Only stood by the story, until after RAW when Ryback came out sans stitches. Some 15yr old kid is probably still jacking off to that screen grab from their website right now.

[Fantabulous]

Originally Posted by bigtplaystew

Well if certain websites would stop posting "complete fabrications" as fact then you'd have a lot less confusion. But it's not the websites that are the problem unfortunately...

You're right. The problem is people jumping the gun and going with second or third hand speculation to make wild accusations, without bothering to check their facts at the original source. Good job you've never done that.

[bigtplaystew]

Originally Posted by Fantabulous

The Lesnar story is a complete fabrication and was never reported by the Observer at all. It's become the standard practice for trolls or the copy and paste sites that, when making stuff up, they ascribe it to 'the Observer' or 'Meltzer' to make it seem believable. They're counting on people to take it at face value and not make any attempt to find out if the story is really true. And they're usually right. This wouldn't be the first Lesnar story that was complete bullshit but got legs from using the same method.

Originally Posted by Fantabulous

You're right. The problem is people jumping the gun and going with second or third hand speculation to make wild accusations, without bothering to check their facts at the original source. Good job you've never done that.

LOL what was that you were saying about Trolls?

[Astil]

Originally Posted by JackKnifed72

From an interview for Grantland.com (I never heard of them either)

"When Benoit and Guerrero hugged [at the end of WrestleMania XX], that was the end of the business, has business been the same since that WrestleMania? Has it come close to the Austin era? Has it come close to the nWo or the Hogan era? You put two f***ing guys that were great workers that were the same height as the f***ing referees, and I'm sorry, man. Are you going to watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch d***? Even if you're not gay, you will not watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch d***. That's not the standard in porno films. So you put a 5-foot-7 guy as your world champion."

- Kevin Nash


What I get from this is:

1 - Kevin Nash doesn't think smaller wrestlers should main event

2 - Kevin Nash can't let go of 1997, when his career actually mattered

3 - Kevin Nash doesn't think highly of guys with three inch d***s

here's the full article

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...od-keeps-night

Break news: Kevin Nash is an a-hole

[Self]

While I don't agree that it's solely responsible for the downturn in wrestling... I see Nash's point about the size thing. I do. I say this as a 5'8 dude who enjoys watching smaller wrestlers perform, and struggles to relate to giants. When you're trying to sell 'Best Fighter In The World', size does matter. It's not the only thing that matters, but it does. Hard to be taken seriously when a certain portion of the crowd thinks "I'm bigger than him. I could kick his ass".

[Teh_Showtime]

Rowdy Roddy Piper
@R_Roddy_Piper
I love all the real deal boys in biz. Fact, I'm one of the smallest. Fact I out drew almost everyone. Fact,Without ALL the boys, I'm nothing

Kevin Nash is just bitter because the people who HE was holding down in WCW became stars in the WWE (guys like Jericho and Rey too).

I find it ironic that one of his best buddies Shawn Michaels was one of the first small wrestlers to be on top (with Bret of course)

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Self

While I don't agree that it's solely responsible for the downturn in wrestling... I see Nash's point about the size thing. I do. I say this as a 5'8 dude who enjoys watching smaller wrestlers perform, and struggles to relate to giants. When you're trying to sell 'Best Fighter In The World', size does matter. It's not the only thing that matters, but it does. Hard to be taken seriously when a certain portion of the crowd thinks "I'm bigger than him. I could kick his ass".

/nod... I've seen it for many years, ever since I stood side by side with Randy Savage and noticed I was bigger then him and I (under the influence of booze and a few "friends") would take him up on the "Open Challenge". I got more booze instead.

Anyways, just because I can see his point, doesn't mean I agree with him. To me it makes it more interesting, if they can pull off the old David and Goliath match, to make it look like David had a way to keep Goliath at bay.

I do know this though... There are quite a few people right here that share Nash's opinion. Every single person here that was so against Rey Mysterio winning the title, is in the same boat, although they probably don't even realize it themselves.

Your looking at a man that is 6'9"/6'10" or so, and being upset about a 5'8" champion. All the people here that aren't "Giants" yet had a problem with Mysterio who stands 5'6" are making a bigger deal out of size, then Nash was making when comparing guys like Guerrerro to big guys, etc.

I honestly don't have a problem with anyone winning the title in Pro-Wrestling, because no one believes any of the wrestlers can "legit" win in real competition for the most part, anyways... I mean come on... Who here doesn't think they could kick Cody Rhodes butt in real life. Just because you like his character doesn't mean you actually think he's tough. Cody, The Miz, Kofi Kingston, Yoshi, Ryder, Sin Cara, Primo, Tyson Kidd, Mysterio, Santino, McGillicutty, Epico, Even Bourne, McIntyre, Justin Gabriel, JTG, Hunico, Ziggler, Jinder Mahal, Alex Riley, Camacho, Jericho, Christian, Punk and Bryan, Curt Hawkins, heck, Darren Young or even Damien Sandow. Out of all these guys there's not one I look at and go "Oh, I wouldn't want to get in the ring with that guy!". Not that I would win, but they definitely don't instill any fear in me. In fact, I would venture to say there isn't a soul on this board that doesn't think they could probably take out at least one of the people I listed there.

HOWEVER, it doesn't mean I won't root for, buy merchandise from, hope they beat the guys that I do think has a good chance of kicking my butt.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Teh_Showtime

Rowdy Roddy Piper
@R_Roddy_Piper
I love all the real deal boys in biz. Fact, I'm one of the smallest. Fact I out drew almost everyone. Fact,Without ALL the boys, I'm nothing

Kevin Nash is just bitter because the people who HE was holding down in WCW became stars in the WWE (guys like Jericho and Rey too).

I find it ironic that one of his best buddies Shawn Michaels was one of the first small wrestlers to be on top (with Bret of course)

I really don't think it was as much being bitter as it was being "under the influence". From what I read about his comments, they were after he had drank a good amount of booze, and started remembering the "good 'ole days" and instead of "thinking" first, was just so at ease with the conversation at hand, that it just come out.

I'm not saying he didn't mean it. I'm saying I don't know that he would have said it had he took the time to think about what he was saying and what people would make out of his words.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Originally Posted by djthefunkchris

/nod... I've seen it for many years, ever since I stood side by side with Randy Savage and noticed I was bigger then him and I (under the influence of booze and a few "friends") would take him up on the "Open Challenge". I got more booze instead.

Anyways, just because I can see his point, doesn't mean I agree with him. To me it makes it more interesting, if they can pull off the old David and Goliath match, to make it look like David had a way to keep Goliath at bay.

I do know this though... There are quite a few people right here that share Nash's opinion. Every single person here that was so against Rey Mysterio winning the title, is in the same boat, although they probably don't even realize it themselves.

Your looking at a man that is 6'9"/6'10" or so, and being upset about a 5'8" champion. All the people here that aren't "Giants" yet had a problem with Mysterio who stands 5'6" are making a bigger deal out of size, then Nash was making when comparing guys like Guerrerro to big guys, etc.

I honestly don't have a problem with anyone winning the title in Pro-Wrestling, because no one believes any of the wrestlers can "legit" win in real competition for the most part, anyways... I mean come on... Who here doesn't think they could kick Cody Rhodes butt in real life. Just because you like his character doesn't mean you actually think he's tough. Cody, The Miz, Kofi Kingston, Yoshi, Ryder, Sin Cara, Primo, Tyson Kidd, Mysterio, Santino, McGillicutty, Epico, Even Bourne, McIntyre, Justin Gabriel, JTG, Hunico, Ziggler, Jinder Mahal, Alex Riley, Camacho, Jericho, Christian, Punk and Bryan, Curt Hawkins, heck, Darren Young or even Damien Sandow. Out of all these guys there's not one I look at and go "Oh, I wouldn't want to get in the ring with that guy!". Not that I would win, but they definitely don't instill any fear in me. In fact, I would venture to say there isn't a soul on this board that doesn't think they could probably take out at least one of the people I listed there.

HOWEVER, it doesn't mean I won't root for, buy merchandise from, hope they beat the guys that I do think has a good chance of kicking my butt.

It reminds me of when, as you mentioned, the little uproar there was about Rey Mysterio winning the Rumble and then the title - people were talking about how slightly "unrealistic" it came across. All I could think about was the fact that... there's been cruiserweights in Royal Rumbles for YEARS. Suddenly, we were supposed to be tied with the idea that none of them ever had a snowball's chance in hell to win or go all the way.

By the way DJ, couldn't help but notice Darren Young in that list... the guy's pretty built from what I see, I personally wouldn't like to cross a guy like him tbh.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Tha Black Phenom

It reminds me of when, as you mentioned, the little uproar there was about Rey Mysterio winning the Rumble and then the title - people were talking about how slightly "unrealistic" it came across. All I could think about was the fact that... there's been cruiserweights in Royal Rumbles for YEARS. Suddenly, we were supposed to be tied with the idea that none of them ever had a snowball's chance in hell to win or go all the way.

By the way DJ, couldn't help but notice Darren Young in that list... the guy's pretty built from what I see, I personally wouldn't like to cross a guy like him tbh.

He just doesn't look like he could fight his way out of a wet paper bag to me. Something about him over-all. I think he would probably scream if he was going up against me for real... Just do. O'Neal however, I think he can probably whip some butt for real. Probably half the roster if I had to put money on it... Maybe all of them but Brock (if you even count Brock).

That's just going on looks and such though. Have to look at it from my point of view. I'm just over 6'3" and I still can press (over my head) 250 lbs 10 times, in five sets. I could probably throw Darren Young around, and I doubt he could do the same to my 300 lb frame. That and I've taken a few martial arts and actually competed in amateur boxing (my older brother was Golden Glove and I beat him).

Just saying....

[bigtplaystew]

So basically DJ dont like DY because he thinks he can beat him up lol.

I respect that.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by bigtplaystew

So basically DJ dont like DY because he thinks he can beat him up lol.

I respect that.

I could very well be wrong, but I don't dislike him. I like the whole team, and I've always like A.W. from before when he was Abraham Washington.

But come on.. Is there a sole on here that legitimately thinks Cody Rhodes would be able to beat them (anyone over 16 anyways)?

Realize that as far as I'm concerned, who is "legit" tough doesn't mean a hill of beans in who I want to succeed. I'm still going to root for Rey Mysterio making a huge comeback before his days are over completely... I'm still going to root for Daniel Bryan.. In fact, IF I WERE IN CHARGE, I would have Nash start messing with him and a feud where Daniels goes over Nash, just because I want to see that happen. I still believe Nash has one or two halfway decent match's left in him, and I think he's a better actor then anyone has ever gave him credit for... I think he could make it work even though he feels it "ruined" wrestling.

[Self]

I'd have to see Cody in person to decide. I'm not much of a fighter.

I have no problem with smaller wrestlers being on the show. I think you should fill the card with the best performers you can get. I don't even have a problem with smaller guys main eventing. I do however see the point of having a bigger guy in that World Champion "Best Fighter In The World" role. If you were casting it in a Hollywood blockbuster, you wouldn't go 'best actor' you choose someone with the physicality to match. And if you did cast a smaller guy, surely you'd cast around him to create the illusion of size. Taller referees and interviewers (hi ROH) are an issue. Tom Cruise is rather canny at not making his stature obvious in his action roles.

I love the smaller guys. As a small bloke I relate to them. Without small guys on the show, I'd have no one to root for. I just see Nash's point, and somewhat agree.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Self

I'd have to see Cody in person to decide. I'm not much of a fighter.

I have no problem with smaller wrestlers being on the show. I think you should fill the card with the best performers you can get. I don't even have a problem with smaller guys main eventing. I do however see the point of having a bigger guy in that World Champion "Best Fighter In The World" role. If you were casting it in a Hollywood blockbuster, you wouldn't go 'best actor' you choose someone with the physicality to match. And if you did cast a smaller guy, surely you'd cast around him to create the illusion of size. Taller referees and interviewers (hi ROH) are an issue. Tom Cruise is rather canny at not making his stature obvious in his action roles.

I love the smaller guys. As a small bloke I relate to them. Without small guys on the show, I'd have no one to root for. I just see Nash's point, and somewhat agree.

Yeah, I would too.... I would get giants like Sylvester Stallone 5'10", Jason Statham 5'9", Bruce Lee 5'7" or Jet Li 5'6" for my films!

[Fantabulous]

What gets over is what gets over. Height? Sure, that can get over, but if that's all you have, you're not over for very long before people see through you. Getting people's attention is one thing, and pretty easy to do given the reaction Nash has gotten, and height tends to get attention more easily than anything else, but keeping it? Or keeping it and getting people to come back so they can keep giving it? Height can't help you with that. Height for wrestlers is like creativity with bookers; a hugely overrated concept.

And if we really want to get into a debate about big guys drawing against small guys drawing , let's go check the PPV numbers for Boxing or MMA in recent years and see who has done stronger and more consistent business. Occasional Heavyweight attraction aside, it's been the smaller guys year in and year out that mean the most business. Being considered tough is one thing, and great if you're just comparing your johnson with someone else's to prove yours is bigger, but drawing money and making money is a whole different game.