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[Teh_Showtime]

How could anyone hate Slater?

I liked him dating back to the split between him and Gabriel

[shawn michaels 82]

What i think is that Nash tries to save his face with these new comment. It seems to me he was talking iof height, the rest is a cheap excuse. Even if it isn't, i'll still comment on it, saying it's ridiculous to think that the wrestler's height is the current problem in pro wrestling right now. If WWE had a roster full of Rey Mysterio's that would be open to discussion, but it doesn't. Even if it did, if they performed well, with good storylines and gimmicks, people would pay to see. In one thing Nash is right, excuse or not, wrestling need larget then life right now, but not in size.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by shawn michaels 82

What i think is that Nash tries to save his face with these new comment. It seems to me he was talking iof height, the rest is a cheap excuse. Even if it isn't, i'll still comment on it, saying it's ridiculous to think that the wrestler's height is the current problem in pro wrestling right now. If WWE had a roster full of Rey Mysterio's that would be open to discussion, but it doesn't. Even if it did, if they performed well, with good storylines and gimmicks, people would pay to see. In one thing Nash is right, excuse or not, wrestling need larget then life right now, but not in size.

The whole problem with people "reporting" on comments made, is that we don't get the benefit of knowing exactly where he is coming from at all... Not even a little bit. What we tend to do is go by what we do know he meant in the past, or what little we know about his backstage politics (See Tara/Victoria comments on what Politics mean to her).

For one example, Hogan claims (and this claim hasn't been disputed by the powers that be) that he only used his clause one time, to not lay down for someone. Weather or not that is true or not, I will never know without "proof" from people that directly made the decisions (not other wrestlers viewpoints) and had to change them because of him. He claims that, and no one in power has said different, at least that I know of. However, I PERSONALLY do not believe him. He claims he uses the fact that I don't believe him (everyone don't), to get real heat from crowds.... purposely making it look like he is hogging the spotlight to get genuine heat that he can use to get over other talent. I don't know that he actually did that on TNA (as this is recent interviews with him, after he's become religious/changed man).

Back on topic. I don't think he was trying to save "face" with that interview, because nothing he says in it conflicts with his original statement. I really believe that he is talking bigger then life characters and not necessarily the size of the characters *although size matters in that aspect as well, so he is talking about size AND characters*... As someone pointed out though, it would make sense to have refs and other "staff" members visible on camera, to NOT tower over the talent. It would help... that's what they do in the movies (as I was pointing out with an earlier post).

You can see his points and not agree with him... but it's pretty ridiculous for me to take an interview that admits to alcohol being a product of the interview, as opposed to reasonably thought out responses where he elaborates on the comments made, but doesn't apologize for them, as he feels they are "His Opinion" on the matter. All he's saying really is "Hey look... It's just an opinion, your entitled to yours, I'm entitled to mine. I know these guys are hugely gifted talents, and anyone would be crazy not to utilize those talents. I'm not saying I'm right, your wrong, I'm just stating an opinion. I have huge respect for those guys." Basically, that's all he's saying, at least that is what I got out of that part of it.

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Teh_Showtime

How could anyone hate Slater?

I liked him dating back to the split between him and Gabriel

I'll have to admit to liking him more and more as time goes on, then right from the start. I just see something in him that seems to shine brighter every time I see him (on the mic, or in action).

Originally Posted by Jaysin

Slater has charisma, but he really needs to work on his mic skills/acting. He still comes across as phony to me and not really believable.

I like Slater though and I enjoyed his run against the legends.

I think his mic skills are off the chain. His timing is even good. His acting could use some help, which is strange because to me it looks as though he is connecting with the crowd. I can't exactly put my finger on what is off there?

When he talks, to me it almost feels like he is looking for something that doesn't really go with the talking he's doing... It could be looking to see which camera is running, or something else I don't know. It does physically look like he is thinking something entirely different then what is coming out of his mouth... but what is coming out sounds incredible, and his body language and movements are pretty much spot on. As a heel, I can see a world champion in him, making good guys look great... with that exact character. As a face, I can see a solid midcard champion. Doesn't make any sense, but that's what I see. He should be in the US or IC title picture right now.

[Makhai]

Originally Posted by djthefunkchris

I'll have to admit to liking him more and more as time goes on, then right from the start. I just see something in him that seems to shine brighter every time I see him (on the mic, or in action).

I think his mic skills are off the chain. His timing is even good. His acting could use some help, which is strange because to me it looks as though he is connecting with the crowd. I can't exactly put my finger on what is off there?

When he talks, to me it almost feels like he is looking for something that doesn't really go with the talking he's doing... It could be looking to see which camera is running, or something else I don't know. It does physically look like he is thinking something entirely different then what is coming out of his mouth... but what is coming out sounds incredible, and his body language and movements are pretty much spot on. As a heel, I can see a world champion in him, making good guys look great... with that exact character. As a face, I can see a solid midcard champion. Doesn't make any sense, but that's what I see. He should be in the US or IC title picture right now.

You're insane. Heath sells well, his mic skills are just offensive enough to make people want to see him get smashed, AND most of all, he has absolutely zero potential. He's the perfect jobber. And that's ok, not everybody can hold the strap.

[Jaysin]

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...10026731.shtml

AW has been fired

[djthefunkchris]

Originally Posted by Makhai

You're insane. Heath sells well, his mic skills are just offensive enough to make people want to see him get smashed, AND most of all, he has absolutely zero potential. He's the perfect jobber. And that's ok, not everybody can hold the strap.

Which is why I said perfect "Heel" champion, to make others look good. I think he has amazing potential, so we will agree to disagree?

Originally Posted by Jaysin

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...10026731.shtml

AW has been fired

I read your link, and I agree with him on so many levels that I just don't know what to say really. I've always like A.W., for a good while. They need guys like A.W. to bring back some PG strong points. IF he got fired for just saying something he shouldn't, that is just ridiculous. Here's hoping that it's just for show and that they will re-hire him at a later point like they did Daniel Bryan.

[eayragt]

Originally Posted by djthefunkchris

I read your link, and I agree with him on so many levels that I just don't know what to say really. I've always like A.W., for a good while. They need guys like A.W. to bring back some PG strong points. IF he got fired for just saying something he shouldn't, that is just ridiculous. Here's hoping that it's just for show and that they will re-hire him at a later point like they did Daniel Bryan.

AW didn't get fired for one thing he said, he got fired for more stuff he said after he had been warned. I don't know what he said, as it looks like it was both at a live show and on twitter. But once you've been warned and presumably given boundaries, if you don't stick to them you're making trouble for yourself.

Anyway, why can't Linda quit politics? That's the main cause of this. Don't get me wrong, it's the McMahon's company and they can set whatever rules they want, but if Linda wasn't in politics it would increase the chances of the rules being a little more lax.

[djthefunkchris]

She's going for a pretty important seat though, and has a plan. That's my serious answer... Now for the one I wanted to say: She has to win the election so she can create jobs so people can buy more WWE merchandise!

[BHK1978]

It sucks to see AW go, but I guess he should have just kept his mouth shut. I thought he might be the guy that could usher managers back into the WWE. I guess that is just not going to be the case now. Things are pretty bad when Vicki is the best manager in recent years.

I guess the days of the Evil Trinity (Freddie Blassie, Lou Albano, and The Grand Wizard) and Bobby Heenan are long gone.

[TakerNGN74]

Originally Posted by eayragt

AW didn't get fired for one thing he said, he got fired for more stuff he said after he had been warned. I don't know what he said, as it looks like it was both at a live show and on twitter. But once you've been warned and presumably given boundaries, if you don't stick to them you're making trouble for yourself.

I think the main reason he got fired was because of a Kobe Bryant Comment he made on Raw a week or so ago when comparing Titus O'Neal to Kobe Bryant. It was a stupid comment that he probably shouldn't have said but he made it and he was warned about it afterwords. After being warned you think he would have just said Okay and left it alone however he took it to twitter and I think that is the main reason he got himself fired.

I could totally be wrong on this but that's the way I see it anyways.

On a side note I think its weird because I just started following him on Twitter a week or so ago and then he gets fired.

[lazorbeak]

Originally Posted by Jaysin

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...10026711.shtml

Nash discusses the interview everyone is talking about

Other than the dumb "Punk should go to the gym more," I don't disagree with Nash for much. Short of radically changing his diet or taking something, Punk is not going to get any bigger. He's talked about it a million times how even when he does put all his effort into looking like his video game self for Wrestlemania, he doesn't look that much better.

But one of the things I miss about pro wrestling from 15 years ago and beyond is the dudes who would never be world champions but were legit bad-asses in the Mark Henry vein. Jim Neidhart, Haku/Meng, LOD, Rick Steiner, Scott Norton, etc. None of these guys were ever going to be singles champions because they didn't have abs and couldn't cut a promo (or sell anything), but all of them looked like they could wreck somebody. I think the problem has less to do with size and more to do with everybody having the same body type. Guys with great physiques would stand out even more if WWE had a few workers that didn't have great abs for them to match up with, but at the moment the only guys who can get away with that are guys that weigh over 350 pounds. Where are those crossover athletes with thighs like tree-trunks?

Originally Posted by JackKnifed72

Wolverine is 5'3"

I guess Stan Lee didn't like tall lumbering talentless....superheroes

Wolverine debuted as an Incredible Hulk villain in the mid-70's and was created by Len Wein, and since Nash is talking about movies, Hugh Jackman is 6'1"-6'2" and ripped. Maybe not the best example?

Pretty sure a guy built like Chris Hemsworth could find work in WWE pretty easily, too. But movies also have the ability to make a guy seem bigger through camera angles and casting. I mean Arnold claimed to be 6'2" for nearly all of his acting career. After it became obvious he was shorter than guys who were 6'1" during his political career, he now only claims to be 6'. But the perception his movies created was that he was 6'3" or bigger, because he's a massive dude compared to pretty much any actor he was working with. WWE can certainly control perception in the same way by surrounding wrestlers with small refs, interviewers, etc.

[soxfan93]

Nobody mentioned this, so:

This week, WWE reached a settlement with the World Wildlife Fund. Use of the WWF logo and acronym is now allowed legally. No word on how much Vince paid and what else was included.

[Teh_Showtime]

Yeah they don't need to blur the scratch logo in archive footage anymore

[soxfan93]

Yes, but the new news is that they can use the WWF acronym now, not just the logo.